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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, did it Saturday, November twenty second? And the

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Speaker 1: question on this Saturday is there ever a good reason

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Speaker 1: to leave behind your wedding ring? Or how about this

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Speaker 1: as a good reason. I'm the second Lady of the

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Speaker 1: United States and a mother of three. Give me a

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Speaker 1: freaking break. And with that, welcome to this episode of

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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ. I didn't know this was a big deal.

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Speaker 1: You said you had seen this story other places. I

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Speaker 1: guess during the week, second Lady out without a ring

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Speaker 1: and uh oh.

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Speaker 2: Here we go.

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Speaker 3: She was on official duty as second Lady. She was

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Speaker 3: alongside Millennia. That sounds so weird, yes, second Lady, but

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Speaker 3: she was in Campbullushoes. So she was there on official duty.

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Speaker 3: And so to forget your wedding ring when you know

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Speaker 3: there are photographers, you know there are going to be

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Speaker 3: cameras following you. That is why it seems suspicious. I

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Speaker 3: think a lot of times, yes, you could leave your

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Speaker 3: ring if you're going for a run or you're running

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Speaker 3: to the grocery store. But she was there and took

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Speaker 3: the time to get dressed, and took time to get ready,

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Speaker 3: and so why would she not put on her wedding ring?

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Speaker 1: Do you, then I didn't plan to ask this or

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Speaker 1: this early. But if you are this type of public figure,

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Speaker 1: is this a mistake you probably should not make, just

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Speaker 1: because it turns into what it has turned into, which

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Speaker 1: is unnecessary. But it's turned into all these rumor meals

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Speaker 1: about where they are now in their relationship, but also

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Speaker 1: causing people to go back and look at every other

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Speaker 3: Yes, and the answer to that is yes, she should

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Speaker 3: have known better. She is a very public figure. She

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Speaker 3: and I have been public figures and had to make

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Speaker 3: the decision when to take the ring off. When you're

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Speaker 3: being photographed, you have a camera on you, you know someone

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Speaker 3: to ask questions, and so you have to be in

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Speaker 3: a place that you're ready to answer those questions. If

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Speaker 1: Well, some people would also say in response to that, well,

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Speaker 1: who gives a damn Why does she have to answer

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Speaker 1: to anybody about her ring? She's a grown woman. Sure

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Speaker 1: she's in the public eye, but she's still a very

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Speaker 1: busy mother of three, I get what you're saying. But

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Speaker 1: to those folks who maybe heard us say that, and

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Speaker 1: I was saying, well, uh huh, I guess we could

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Speaker 3: Of course, she has every right to not answer and

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Speaker 3: to not care. But you know that if you don't

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Speaker 3: wear your rings, there are just going to be tabloids

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Speaker 3: and rumors, and it's just going to fuel those rumors.

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Speaker 3: And so if you want actually peace for yourself, the

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Speaker 1: So she did give a response, Our office did give

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Speaker 1: a response. It's all good. We'll give you the exact

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Speaker 1: But there has been a lot so much out there

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Speaker 1: And I swear I was unfamiliar with these other things as.

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Speaker 3: Well, So I did not know what sleeping on the

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Speaker 3: Democratic Party's official X account actually revived this meme that

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Speaker 3: had been circulating in twenty twenty four, sleeping on the couch,

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Speaker 2: So many years back, does this go?

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Speaker 3: This is just twenty twenty four, Okay, so just last year.

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Speaker 3: But there was someone on X that made a false

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Speaker 2: Basically he used a couch to masturbate. Yes, okay, you're to.

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Speaker 3: Say it, Okay, fine, yes that he It was very

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 3: I didn't want to say the way the way they

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Speaker 1: This is why these are the times I wish we

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Speaker 3: That just legitimized all the social media fund that was

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Speaker 3: this was a meme that was going on. By saying

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Speaker 2: For the parshole.

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Speaker 1: My goodness, dearest, we haven't talked about this yet, but

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Speaker 1: that exact thing is a debate we have had plenty

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Speaker 1: and we're having now about when someone actually lies about you,

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Speaker 1: do you come out there and take down every headline?

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Speaker 1: But what you're doing is giving everybody license to just

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Speaker 3: First place, and some people will always believe it no

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Speaker 1: So I guess it didn't help debunk the rumor if

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Speaker 1: So now it seems like, oh so it wasn't a

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Speaker 3: There is jump on that, then, right, okay?

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Speaker 1: If that was the time, this is one time I

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Speaker 3: And then he also stepped in it a little while

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Speaker 3: that I was moved in by church? Yeah, I honestly

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Speaker 3: the same way. But if she doesn't, then God says

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Speaker 2: Fair enough, Yes, is that fair enough answer? He wishes?

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Speaker 2: But is that offensive to her?

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Speaker 1: Religion is offensive to Is it disrespectful to her to

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Speaker 3: He was being honest, So he did have to go back,

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Speaker 3: So anyway, that also made people think, hmm, trouble and paradise.

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Speaker 3: They're having issues about religion. That's a big problem. I

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Speaker 1: Yes, because she forgot her ring at an event and

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Speaker 1: the other thing. Again, everybody's scrutinizing everything. When is a

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Speaker 3: Yes, so this is a hug that also sparked problems

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Speaker 3: in Jade Vance's marriage. So before I did see this,

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Speaker 3: Erica Kirk and Jade Vance were hugging and it was

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Speaker 3: it's that is a weird thing for a woman. It's

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I have a difficult time in those moments snapshots.

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Speaker 1: Well it wasn't a snapshot, it was there's a video.

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Speaker 1: I hate to just interpret those moments. I don't know

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Speaker 3: You know, people just posting it and putting like funny,

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Speaker 2: Where are we then, as a public.

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Speaker 1: What should we do with public relationships? Do they're the

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Speaker 1: second family? Do we scrutinize right their public figures? So therefore,

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Speaker 1: this is part of it.

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Speaker 3: It comes with the territory. Okay, it does, but it

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Speaker 3: It does seem because of the partisan nature of this

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Speaker 2: The Democrats have on their So yeah, they're.

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Speaker 3: The ones the on their X account. They have a

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Speaker 3: they revived the memes sleeping on the couch. So it's that,

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Speaker 3: you know, that does seem to be in poor taste

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Speaker 3: if we know now that he's referencing JD. Vans a

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Speaker 3: completely false narrative that JD. Vans wrote about masturbating on

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Speaker 2: Okay, and thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm always can't find the right word, but that's exactly

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Speaker 2: It's in poor taste, yes, to do what they did.

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Speaker 1: You're making fun of this guy in his relationship in

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Speaker 1: a personal way.

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Speaker 2: That's just that's tough.

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Speaker 1: But I do appreciate the way that the second Lady's office,

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Speaker 1: how they responded to what's happening now in all of

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Speaker 1: when we come back, we are going to give you

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Speaker 1: or a old response. All right, folks, welcome back, Amy

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Speaker 1: TJ continuing, Now a ring robes time. What excuses do

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Speaker 1: you have? What are legit excuses? When can you leave

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, I never want to leave it behind,

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Speaker 3: but I did recently. You pointed it out. You're like

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Speaker 3: you and you saw immediately You're like, where's your wedding

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Speaker 3: I know where I left it?

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Speaker 2: So what was it that day?

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Speaker 3: So I was putting body lotion on, and so I

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Speaker 1: Okay, when is it okay to be upset with your

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Speaker 1: if they do frequently and they just don't want to

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Speaker 1: wear We're not talking about that. But at what point

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Speaker 3: I think if Vegas or yes, seriously, I was gonna say,

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Speaker 3: if you're going on a boy's trip, Oh wow, I

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Speaker 3: think you can seriously be upset if you're significant Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I guess your significant other left their wedding ring behind

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Speaker 3: go have fun with their girls or guys. Yes, you

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Speaker 2: I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: I actually, look, if you are good, if you are

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Speaker 1: to put it on. No, because I'm pretty sure when

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, I hear you on that, And look, I don't

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Speaker 3: that is what it's just like it starts to erode away.

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Speaker 3: Trust that's it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, there are reasons for it.

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Speaker 1: And look the second lady gave her reasons for it,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they response deer okay, oh yeah, I was worried

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Speaker 2: you didn't have him freak.

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Speaker 3: I do okay. Usha Vans is a mother of three

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Speaker 2: How you like that?

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Speaker 3: I think it's honest, That's what I think it is,

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Speaker 1: You know what, Again, you take the words right out

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Speaker 1: of my mouth, and that's the perfect way to say it.

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Speaker 1: That sounded like an honest answer. Yeah, it was almost

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Speaker 3: but that is probably the reason why. And she is

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Speaker 3: probably more than JD. Just guessing that's probably true. She

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Speaker 3: not JD. So he is busy. I get that. So

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Speaker 1: Exactly, she nailed it. Uh, oh, he's been out there.

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Speaker 1: We see her here and there. I know if she's

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Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, And turns out everyone just

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Speaker 3: But certainly it is wonderful to report that the Dvances

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Speaker 3: are doing just fine and without everyone. Thank you for

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Speaker 3: joining us. We appreciate you as always, I'm Amy Roboch

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Speaker 3: alongside TJ. Holmes. We will talk to you soon.