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Speaker 1: Morning Run with Amy and TJ and iHeartRadio Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, Good morning.

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Speaker 1: This is your Morning Run for Thursday, February twenty seventh.

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Speaker 1: The Morning Run now guaranteed available by six thirty am

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Speaker 1: Eastern Time Monday through Friday. I'm Amy Robach.

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Speaker 3: And I'm TJ. Holmes. On today's run, We're going ahead

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Speaker 3: to roam the White House, Gaza West, Texas, that sick

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Speaker 3: ship floating in the Caribbean, as well as the NFL

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Speaker 3: playing field. Yes, headlines coming out of all those places,

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Speaker 3: but we have to start the first leg of today's

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Speaker 3: run in New Mexico with a breaking story from overnight.

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Speaker 1: Legendary actor Gene Hackman has died. Police say he was

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Speaker 1: discovered in his home outside of Santa Fe, New Mexico,

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Speaker 1: late last night.

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Speaker 3: His wife and their dog were also found dead at

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Speaker 3: the home. Police have not determined the cause of death,

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Speaker 3: but didn't speculate about one, only saying they do not

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Speaker 3: believe foul play was involved. It's hard to even know

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Speaker 3: where to begin with Gene Hackman's accomp Blishman's career and

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Speaker 3: unique Hollywood legacy, but the French connection in nineteen seventy

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Speaker 3: one is a good place.

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Speaker 1: To start, Hackman played Detective Jimmy Popeye Doyle in a

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Speaker 1: role that established him in Hollywood as a leading tough guy,

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Speaker 1: and a role that won him a Best Acting Oscar.

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Speaker 1: He picked up his second Oscar for playing Sheriff little

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Speaker 1: Bill Daggett in Clint Eastwood's nineteen ninety two western Unforgiving.

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Speaker 3: He picked up three other Oscar nominations along the way

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Speaker 3: and kept delivering memorable performance after memorable performance in movies

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Speaker 3: that we love. The list a lot of it has

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Speaker 3: to start robes with Superman one and two playing Lex Luthor. Yes,

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Speaker 3: the bad guy, but there was a charm, even a

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Speaker 3: comedic element to that role, but certainly established him in

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Speaker 3: movie history. Really alongside Christopher Reeves and you had Crimson

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Speaker 3: Tide was a favorite. Bill good along that was so

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Speaker 3: intense between him and Denzel Washington. Some of those scenes

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Speaker 3: are absolutely incredible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I could rewatch that one right now.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we should do that. But yes, one of my

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Speaker 1: favorites was Hoosiers. He played that tough coach. Oh that

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Speaker 1: He was so good at it.

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Speaker 3: Every list of sports movies that is probably in the

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Speaker 3: top five greatest sports movies.

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Speaker 1: I have chillis just thinking about it and his performance

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Speaker 1: The Firm alongside Tom Cruise. That for me is one

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Speaker 1: of his most memorable roles, maybe just because I saw

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Speaker 1: it so many times. Mississippi Burning, he was nominated for

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Speaker 1: an Oscar with that Quick in the Dead with Sharon Stone,

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Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio, Russell Crowe. You forget about some of these

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Speaker 1: movies he was in.

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Speaker 3: Was a great Western and the Star stood at Western.

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Speaker 3: But Runaway Jury if you haven't seen this on another one.

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Speaker 3: John Cusack is in that one, but he plays a

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Speaker 3: jury fixer. And so many of his roles. I look

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Speaker 3: at The Firm and Clemson, Tide or even Superman. He

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Speaker 3: is often the antagonist, but there's something redeeming about him.

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Speaker 3: It's like a good guy that's going wrong. There's still

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Speaker 3: some charm to him.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly who he played in the Firm. When you

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Speaker 1: said that, I was like, that's exactly his role, Like.

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Speaker 2: You knew he wasn't a good guy.

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Speaker 1: He knew he wasn't a good guy and almost had

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Speaker 3: He was always charming. He has had this charm to

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Speaker 3: even realize. You haven't seen him in a role in

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Speaker 3: a while. But he did officially retire from acting back

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Speaker 3: in two thousand and four. His final film was Welcome

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Speaker 3: to Mooseport, in which he starred alongside Ray Romano.

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Speaker 2: He spent his recent years writing.

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Speaker 1: He had become an accomplished painter, but he largely stayed

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Speaker 1: out of the public eye and his wife, Betsy Arakawa,

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Speaker 1: was sixty three years old. Gene Hackman just had his

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Speaker 1: birthday last month. I didn't realize he was this old. Really,

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Speaker 2: That is wild.

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Speaker 3: I had no idea, but this is a shocking story,

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Speaker 3: the details and the people. There is no time or

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Speaker 3: reason for speculation right now, but it's just you hear

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Speaker 3: that the two of them, along with their dog, are

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Speaker 3: found dead. No foul play suspected. Details will come out

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Speaker 3: of that soon enough. But I did also not realize

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Speaker 3: he had a tough upbringing, a tough childhood in which

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Speaker 3: his dad left. Mom died when he was we was

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Speaker 3: first getting his acting career started. She died accidentally setting

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Speaker 3: Wow, he went to the military.

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Speaker 2: Lied about his age at sixteen, right.

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Speaker 3: Get into the military, and then said he was a

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Speaker 1: So he was yeah, in the military from sixteen to nineteen.

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Speaker 1: But he didn't really make it in acting until his

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Speaker 2: But it took him.

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Speaker 1: Quite a while before he actually hit his stride and

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Speaker 3: And he joked about it. But these are some of

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Speaker 3: the little details about these actors in their backgrounds. Imagine

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Speaker 3: Gene Hackman and Dustin Hoffman and Robert Duval rooming together

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Speaker 3: and he was voted he said least likely to succeed

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Speaker 3: at his acting academy alongside Dustin Hall and least likely

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Speaker 3: on that, which is sad to hear, really shocking to detail.

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Speaker 1: It is shocking and sad, and it was actually we

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Speaker 2: But we went to bed with something else. Another sad

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this one out of New York. Thirty nine

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Speaker 3: year old actress Michelle Trachtenberg, best known for her roles

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Speaker 1: Yeah. ABC News is reporting that Trachtenberg recently underwent a

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Speaker 1: An autopsy is being conducted by the Medical Examiner's Office

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Speaker 3: Trachtenberg grew up in New York City, made her acting

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Speaker 3: All right, we will continue here on our run this morning.

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Speaker 3: The next leg will take us to Rome, where we

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Speaker 3: have been making a daily stop. Pope francis now on

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Speaker 3: his fourteenth day in the hospital, but there are signs

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Speaker 1: Eleven words today it was nine yesterday, got eleven words.

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Speaker 1: The Vatican said last night, actually in a much beefier statement,

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Speaker 3: But checked this out another big headline. A Vatican told

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: Well, look at this guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, keep going, you eighty eight year old, Like, that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Last night, Israel and Jumas finally exchange the bodies of

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Speaker 1: four dead Israeli hostages for the release of those nearly

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Speaker 3: Now this is important because this peaceful transfer now has

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Speaker 1: their prisoners were freed. So this latest exchange completes both

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Speaker 1: sides obligations for the first phase. Hamas returned thirty three hostages,

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Speaker 1: a very positive development.

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Speaker 3: All right, we'll continue the run now, it had to

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Speaker 3: DC and get the guest room ready. Ukrainian President Voldemir

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Speaker 3: Zelenski will visit the White House on Friday. President Trump

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Speaker 3: announced that news yesterday at his Cabinet meeting, saying Zelensky

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The US and Ukraine had been working to hammer

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Speaker 1: child has died of measles. It's not only the first

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Speaker 3: No Health officials would only say it's a school aged

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Speaker 1: When asked about it yesterday, Health and Human Services Secretary

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Speaker 1: every year. Secretary Kennedy also caused some confusion by announcing

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Speaker 3: That was something to hear that we haven't had one

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Speaker 1: In decades, and one could argue we shouldn't have one

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Speaker 3: This is to it. I don't know when they're going

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Speaker 1: The ship is not scheduled to return back to Florida

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Speaker 1: For the final leg of our run, The NFL is

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Speaker 1: Starting next season, referees will no longer be the ones

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Speaker 3: Yes, that responsibility will now be handled by Whye, Siri.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I said, sirium my phone.

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Speaker 3: Okay, sorry, folks, let me turn off my cell phone.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be implemented for the twenty twenty five season.

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Speaker 3: Folks have long complained about the antiquated system the NFL

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Speaker 3: So you are going to be one reason to referee

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Speaker 1: Everyone wouldn't everyone playing on the field prefer for it

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Speaker 2: It does seem very antiquated. So good for them.

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Speaker 3: as we always do, we'll leave you with our quote

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Speaker 1: I was trained to be an actor, are not a star.

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Speaker 1: I was trained to play roles, not to deal with

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Speaker 1: He continued, by the way, saying, if you look at

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine that's saying that first out of your mouth.

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Speaker 3: We saw that this morning and thought we'd give it

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Speaker 1: I was trained to be an actor, not a star.

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Speaker 1: all right, Thank you to Gene Hackman for that, and

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Speaker 3: Holmes. Friday's run, We'll see you then tomorrow