WEBVTT - Big Thoughts on Golf with Kevin Van Valkenburg 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.800 I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:04.920 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:06.920 And when I find my ball in a fried egg 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:10.040 Frida egg, the dreaded Frida egg, Frida egg, Frida egg 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:12.559 brid Egg, Frida egg bride egg Lie, I'm about ready 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:38.800 to run off with the use. Welcome back to another 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:41.760 edition of the Frida Egg Golf Podcast. I am excited 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:44.360 today to be joined by the Frida eggs very own 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:47.800 Kevin van Valkenberg. We had we had a fun exercise. 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:51.720 We we put together some big questions in golf that 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:54.520 are rattling around in our head and kind of just 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:58.720 batter them around for a bit. 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That was 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:40.240 that we should go back in fact check see how 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:42.360 many of those things came true, how many things those 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:43.560 things we've predicted. 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:45.880 I don't know if those predictions it was more of 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:49.560 a I think the premise was a charge all golf 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:51.320 you can do whatever you want. 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:55.040 So none came true then, I don't know. 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.920 I can't even remember what mine were. To be completely honest, 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:00.840 I thought about looking into it that I you know, 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:04.640 I got avalanched with some calls and that got in 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:08.320 the way. But this is in a similar vein a 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:13.280 similar deep thought experiment. I think golf in general, if 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:17.159 you look at the entire sport, is in an unprecedentedly 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:22.560 great place for our life. You know, pop popularity participation 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:26.840 through the roof pro golf maybe in one of the weirder, 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:32.000 more convoluted states it's been, so are The premise of 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:36.800 this podcast is what are five big questions in golf 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:40.479 that are kind of rattling around in your head? And 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:44.400 this could be any form of golf that you are 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:49.920 looking at and uh and interested in. So I will 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.760 I will see the floor to you. You get first, 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.120 you get first question. Let's hear it. 0:04:55.800 --> 0:05:01.520 Okay, My first one I'm gonna say is what dumb 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:07.440 bet will some golf entity make on AI that where 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:09.800 they're like, oh, we're going to use AI to design 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:12.839 our courses, or we're going to use AI to run agronomy, 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:14.800 or we're going to use AI to just set up 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:18.080 all the t sheets at our public course. Someone is 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.720 going to make a very terrible, disastrous bet on AI 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:23.360 and all it's going to do is really piss off 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:28.039 people who have treated golf like some sort of combination 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.920 between commerce and art for many years, and I think 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:34.880 that they're going to look like very stupid in retrospect, 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:37.719 But I think it's going to be kind of funny 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:42.039 that how kind of gung ho whatever portion of golf 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.960 that kind of latches onto this without even really understanding it, 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.040 but just sort of assuming. I see that there is 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.679 already talk of I saw my golf spy was saying 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:51.920 there will be no fitters in the future. It will 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:55.000 just all be ai as if you know, fitting isn't 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:58.520 a dumb enough kind of like difficult enough exercise to 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:02.520 get people fit properly. I think that that is kind 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:04.880 of insane, And now no one ever kind of talks 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:07.400 about like how silly it would be to just put 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.000 a put out of work, like all those kinds of people, 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:13.719 whether they are fitters, whether they're agronomists, you know, maintenance people, 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:16.320 whether they're people who like how good is it that 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:18.599 when you get to know like the guy who runs 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.240 the t sheet at your local course and you have 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.320 sort of a friendly relationship with him, even so you 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.599 can just kind of say hi, and hey, man, is 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:27.560 there anyway you can get me in like in the afternoon, 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:29.279 I'm just a singles you know, can you fit me 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.400 in with a group that's actually a bunch of cool 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:34.160 guys as opposed to a bunch of dbags. AI will 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:36.080 probably try to wipe out all of that and will 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:38.120 be a net worse for as a result of it. 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:43.760 Well, I've read stories about about kids becoming friends with 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:49.080 their AI platform, so I would push back and say, 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:53.520 maybe friendship is possible with the AI starter. But in 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:58.200 all seriousness, I think it's fair to say that AI 0:06:58.320 --> 0:06:59.839 is a form of science. 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:01.200 Right, Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:03.799 I mean, isn't this just the classic push and pull 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:07.920 of golf over the over this now centuries of golf. 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:13.440 Is it art or science? It's just the human involvement 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:16.880 and human error element of golf. Like everybody says, really, 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.080 you know, this is the way to play a golf course, 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.320 and you know, if you do follow these ways to 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:27.240 play a golf course, you're you know, you'll never shoot, 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:30.440 you know, worse than you need to shoot. But like 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:34.360 there's also like a a thing of like, well, I 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:37.000 know I shouldn't take on this target, but I'm I'm 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:38.760 two back with three to go, and there's just like 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:42.160 human instincts that take take its course and it becomes 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:45.080 an art of there's an art of like who knows 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:48.200 when to push the pedal and go at it and 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.600 and not? And there's constantly been you know this with 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:55.360 with swing mechanics and and you know, the the art 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:58.920 of teaching and what resonates with different people the way 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:02.800 they think about for a golf swing. And I guess 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:04.960 the question is, like, you know, with AI, I think 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:07.840 I think there are going to be like some very 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:11.800 useful applications of of AI in the golf world that 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.960 could yield really good things for the consumer. Now I 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:20.119 also think there could be some really bad applications of AI. 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.480 It's not that I'm against bad for the consumer. 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:25.760 It's not that I'm against AI per se. And I'm 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:27.680 sure that there are some people out there who are like, oh, 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.280 Kevin is A is a moron. He doesn't always talking 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:32.720 about it, so that I'm kind of against dumb people 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:36.240 trying to use AI to cut corners. Like if smart 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:38.640 people are using AI and we get a net benefit 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:41.439 as a game, as a society, whatever, then I think 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:42.960 that you can see that that's like there's a good 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:45.360 practical use to that it's when people who kind of 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:47.200 like don't want to do the reading, don't want to 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:50.040 do the studying, just are looking to be like, yeah, 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.720 that's like paying attention to like things is dumb. I 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.040 can just go around to the you know, get the 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:57.840 answers this way. That's what annoys me. 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:03.160 Sore. You're talking about Instagram influencers who clearly use AI 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:05.520 to script their their viral videos. 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:08.800 Sure, that's that could be one way. 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:13.600 Yes, I think one of the things that it could, 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:16.679 Like I'm just thinking out loud here, like a great 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:22.680 application of AI would be the idea of of randomization 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:31.040 of of of golf course setup where you know, I 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:34.520 think people get tired that set up golf courses and 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:37.000 it just becomes well, we we like this whole location, 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:40.120 we like this whole location, and a lot of whole 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.520 great whole locations out of green might not never be 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:46.760 used because of this just you know, set up person bias. 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:52.440 Another area that I think has like an incredible amount 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:57.839 of opportunity for AIS is the handicap system. M Like, 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:01.520 you know, I know that they have they have made 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.960 some leaps and bounds with like adjusting scorers based off 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:08.319 of weather and scoring average. I imagine that AI can 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.920 do a lot of a lot of heavy lifting in 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:15.839 that department. But yeah, I think that there's like key 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:20.040 things that human element and human involvement have to continue with, 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.880 Like I'll never take an AI golf lesson, but I 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:29.680 can see somebody AI is going to fix your golf swing. 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:33.880 I mean that might be a great article, is he is. 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:38.600 I fixed kbb's slice. 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:41.680 I went to AI to see if they can fix 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:42.520 my slice. 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:49.199 Spoiler Nope, AI couldn't help me. I do say I 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:51.520 will think AI could be of good use for like 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:56.960 municipal tea time sheets if like used properly. I don't 0:10:57.120 --> 0:11:00.200 have a lot of faith, having like reported on the 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:02.760 best page stuff and the la T time stuff that 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:07.599 they would be used properly, in part because the municipalities 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:11.800 involved are not always like going to do those things 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.199 with the right intentions in mind. The T sheets are filled, 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:15.679 so what do they care? They're sort of like a 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:18.800 you know, there's kind of a sometimes there's cronyism involved 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:21.800 where it's like, yeah, well we're not changing because this 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:24.600 system is working and benefiting these people as opposed to 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:29.040 benefiting everyone. But I could see some instance where it's like, hey, 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.640 on this day, we know that we can get this 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.960 many groups through, so the only these many tea times 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:36.839 are available, and that's kind of speed up pace of 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:39.880 play if we don't try to, you know, based on 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.160 the weather, based on the setup or whatever. Maybe that's 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:43.640 a practical application of it. 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:51.439 Could I give you a hilarious but absolutely conceivable scenario 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:55.160 of AI being used in a high leverage situation in golf. 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:56.040 Please? 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:01.520 The year is twenty twenty nine and Europe has won 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:06.320 another Ryder Cup. Okay, once again, our captain whoever it is, 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:10.760 has fallen fallen. You know, they don't know what they're doing. Yes, 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:14.840 they they They bring in a captain who who runs 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:22.360 on an AI forward agenda, and the USC uses AI 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:26.840 to determine the most the best pairings for their their 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:30.839 UH four ball and foursome sessions for the for the 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:33.240 Ryder Cup in twenty twenty nine. Where is it is 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:34.400 it at Olympic Club? 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:39.760 Uh? Is it an Olympic It's a hazel teene hazel. 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:46.640 They use AI to generate the ideal pairings the twenty 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:49.200 twenty nine Hazel teen Ryder Cup. 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.080 What if Bryson is the Ryder Cup captain and he 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:56.520 uses AI to and he's and what if he's successful? 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.760 Then like, do we even need a Ryder Cup captain? Andy? 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:02.240 If a I could just handle it from there, I mean, 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:06.800 who would give better Ryder Cup press conference answers? Zash 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:11.080 or AI Robot USA captain dot Com. 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:15.800 For fans, Probably the AI fans wanting insight, the AI 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:22.199 captain for content creators and writers and podcasters such as ourselves. 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:28.600 Definitely Zach without without question, Zach Johnson. I was thinking 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.199 about the other other day out of a year he 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:34.320 had in Twente twenty four, this had to feel like 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:37.240 just like a great year for Zach Johnson because he didn't, 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:40.240 you know, he didn't tell fans at Augusta nashvill to 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:43.320 f off, and he didn't have a run it at 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:45.600 Scottsdales where he said don't serve me. 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:48.800 He did get ranked as the worst Ryder Cup captain 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:52.400 since nineteen ninety nine in the Friday Ryder Cup Captain's rankings. 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:55.360 So I believe that was my first assignment, and that 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:57.560 wasn't even assignment. I just volunteered to write that one 0:13:57.640 --> 0:13:58.760 and rank him as such. 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:02.840 So all right, I'll go to my first question here. 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:08.160 This is a big, one loaded gun. And we'll get 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:13.000 a resolution probably pretty soon on this. My question is, 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:16.599 will men's golf accept the rollback. 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:22.480 God. I think that they will scream and pitch and 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:30.360 moan and squirm, but mostly as long as the Masters 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.960 and the US Open are played with a rollback ball, 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:36.600 they will have to get in line with it in 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:40.520 some way. I can't imagine this scenario where they're like 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:44.760 actually protesting and like sitting out the Masters because they 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:48.360 refuse to play with a rollback ball, or suing the 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:52.280 Masters because they say like that they're you know, interstate 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:56.280 commerce has somehow been affected by the rollback situation. 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:03.040 I think we are sprinting towards a split resolution where 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:07.760 the Open Championship, the Masters, and the US Open are 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.480 played with a roll back ball, and the PGA Tour 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:17.240 and the PGA is playing endings. And I think it's 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:21.600 going to be one of the more nonsensical, ridiculous storylines 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.040 in golf when we look back on it, you know, 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:28.160 thirty years from now, will be like, remember when the 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:31.360 players thought it was a huge deal to use this 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:36.200 ball that goes slightly shorter than their regular ball. Yeah, 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:40.040 And you know eventually, over time, the rollback ball will 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:43.640 just become the accepted ball. Because the Masters, the US Open, 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:47.640 and the Open are the three most important championships in 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:51.480 pro golf. And you know, you love to say majors 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:54.760 don't mean anything, but I think those three are so 0:15:55.000 --> 0:16:00.480 far entrenched ahead of anything else that it will take 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:05.160 you know, it would take decades for other things to 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:10.040 erode and chip away at them. But I have the 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:15.720 growing sense that we will be running for another giant 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:19.360 schism in the game of golf, this time not with 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:23.320 Saudi Arabia, you know, lighting five billion dollars on fire, 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:27.160 but rather with with pro golfers refusing to get out 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:31.960 of their own way and and not accepting that that 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:37.320 regulation in forms of equipment is okay as every other 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:42.400 single sport it that are all more popular than yours 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:44.560 experienced regular regulation. 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:49.320 Who will be like the leading like Canada to bitch 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.080 about because you know that there will be some massive, 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:55.720 like tone deaf statements over and over and over again 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:58.760 from you know, guys who are just like, it's so 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.080 absurd we have to play different balls, and they're just 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:05.000 they can't bring themselves to adjust too from one week 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.240 to the next and all this. It'll be great content 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.000 for us because it'll be like, oh, no, when you're 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.800 playing the week before the Masters, do you play the 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:16.760 new rollback ball anyway? Or do you know, instead of 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.439 playing Valero? Do you just go home and practice with 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:20.280 the rollback ball? 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:21.400 Uh? 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.880 And how like they're bitching. The constant bitching I think 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:26.760 will be a lot of fun to listen to. 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.600 Well, a couple names that I think might not be 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.720 irrelevant enough for this, because they might they probably won't 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:37.040 be in the Masters at that time. Top of the 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:39.920 list is always going to be Web Simpson and then 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:44.000 radio show hosts Lucas Glover, who just I love all 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.600 the takes he gets off his rollback takes, maybe not 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.720 his best ones, but if you were going with like 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:53.720 a big name player, I feel like Justin Thomas is 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:57.960 just like the number one on the list at this 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.960 like where he'll just say things like it's stupid, but 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:05.240 with with like the reality is is like if you 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:08.760 cut twenty percent off the ball, I think Justin Thomas 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:14.480 is one of one of the players that benefit the most. Yeah, 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:16.399 who would you suggest for this? 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.840 So I feel like sometimes and I mean this with 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:23.399 all due respect, that Billy Hoe sort of like throws 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:25.640 himself in front of the train to try to make 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.080 a good point on behalf of others that he doesn't 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:31.080 even necessarily like do the research or do the reading. 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.399 But he feels like because he's an outspoken person, he 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:36.959 wants to stick up for his fellow brethren, you know, 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:41.359 whether they be a cushnet, you know, spokesman, or just 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.520 like tour pros in general. So I could see Billy 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:48.920 really just kind of running to a microphone to say 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:50.280 some insane things about it. 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.760 I will I'm gonna say I'm push back here Billy 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:58.040 on this podcast pro Rollback. He just doesn't believe the 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:01.639 ball methodology. He is a big believer of shrinking the 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:05.639 driver head. Oh very on the record for shrinking the 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:10.680 driver head. And I don't disagree with him, Like I think, 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:13.600 like one of the things that I spent I played 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:16.159 a lot of golf the last two weeks for work, 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:19.679 which is you know, but I played a lot of 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:24.040 golf with a lot of different equipment in that time. Yeah, 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:27.480 And it's just shocking to me the way just your 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:32.120 whole mentality over a small head off the t versus 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:35.679 the four hundred and sixty sec driver, Like it's just 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.560 like wild. The psychology, the thoughts that go through your 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:42.239 head are just completely different with the two drivers. So 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:45.879 I think, you know, I obviously I think I'm probably 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:49.399 pretty pretty extreme on one side of the debate. So 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:52.000 like I want to just put my hand up that 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:55.320 I'm I would I'd be an extremist. Maybe I'm the 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:58.520 q Noon of golf being the way over on this 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:04.119 side or the uh yeah, I'm a uh you know, 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:07.280 I roll out yeah, uh, But like I would, I 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:09.399 would just put my hand up and say, like I 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:11.720 think like that we should be doing like full we 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:14.840 should be looking at everything and just just get this 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:18.760 thing cettered on like Max had two hundred and fifty 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:22.600 c c's and and a ball that that doesn't just 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:25.720 launch and go obscene distances. 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:29.280 Yeah. God, I would love for like a one tournament 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:31.640 to have like persimmon heads, just to sort of see 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:34.159 who was good in that old world, ye, because it 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:35.680 might be like the forty five year olds or the 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:38.280 fifty year olds. Like you always talk about how some 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:40.240 people had to learn how to play golf one way 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:42.920 and then learn how to play golf a completely different way, 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:46.119 and like the disadvantage to the younger kids who just 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:48.560 learned to just absolutely wail on the ball without ever 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:51.439 worrying about a big miss. Like, yeah, what if what 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:53.560 if bar Boy Earning finally won the Masters at like 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:56.320 fifty seven years old, because you know, we rolled back 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:59.280 everything so much to where the skill was it was paramount. Again. 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:04.960 I have a friend who's you know, Ernie would come back, 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:07.280 he'd all sudden be a factor and Agusta again if 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:11.560 you could get in. I have a friend who teaches 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:14.679 like very high level juniors and occasionally brings out for 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:18.280 simmon clubs, and he says, it's just like for the 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:22.320 first like ten to twelve swings, it's just like chunk 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:26.520 pop ups and then they realize they have to hit 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:30.040 the center and they then they start ripping. But he's like, 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:32.800 he's like the most amusic thing as someone who grew 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:36.239 up playing a small head, you know, hit him is 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:38.960 like watching them just like hit chunk pop ups for 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:41.439 ten swings before they figure out the club. 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:48.240 God, that's good stuff. Yeah. I have swung one just 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:51.960 occasionally here and there, and it's even you know, for 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:54.400 someone at my skill level, it's even worse. Obviously, it's 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:58.600 just it's like toe nicks that they're screaming, you know, 0:21:58.680 --> 0:21:59.800 fifty yards, right. 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:04.000 I see. I think, I don't know, maybe I'm I'm 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:06.959 off base here. I think like one of the things 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:10.800 that kills mediocre golfers is the big miss. 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:11.560 Yeah. 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:14.600 And the thing about the old equipment is that there 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:17.399 there were no big misses. When you miss the sweet spot, 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:20.520 it just gets on the ground and it rolls like 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:22.320 if I can only go one hundred and twenty yards, 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:25.160 but it's only like, you know, twenty yards off the fairway. 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:27.600 It's not eighty yards in the wrong direction like the 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:28.879 modern equipment, you know. 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:31.760 And I have two sets of blades just for like 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:35.879 goofing around times whatever. And I truly feel like the 0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:38.480 biggest myth in golf is like that the game improvement 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:42.360 irons will like improve your score because I will take 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:45.320 them out all the time and shoot very similar scores. 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:49.919 Like I it's just remarkable how much better I know, 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:53.280 like where the ball is gonna miss, Like, yeah, it's 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:55.439 gonna be short, right, and that's fine, like or you know, 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:58.720 it's it's never gonna trampoline twenty yards over the green 0:22:58.880 --> 0:23:01.480 or catch a fly in this sense, like I just 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:04.920 I swing more under control. I honestly, if I played 0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:06.600 with blades all the time, I think I'd choot about 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:08.760 similar scores. Some days would be great, some days would 0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:09.800 be fine, some days bad. 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:14.640 See I I'm so I've shot some really great scores 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:18.760 with with blades in per seven in recent years, like 0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:22.800 some really great golf, played some great golf rounds with it. 0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:27.040 To me, like the difference between them, so like if 0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:29.560