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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Steph.

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Speaker 1: I've never told your protection to i Heeart Radio, and

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Speaker 1: today we have a throwback for you. This is from

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Speaker 1: a long time ago. I don't think we normally run

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Speaker 1: ones that are this old. But before I get into

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Speaker 1: why we're rerunning it, Samantha, have you ever watched any

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Speaker 1: soap operas? Yes, yes, I have so. For a while

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Speaker 1: I had a friend who was really in Two Days

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Speaker 1: of Our Lives. My mother was really into Young and

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Speaker 1: the Restless, so between the two I would watch during

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Speaker 1: the summers. Obviously UM and knew and there was one

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Speaker 1: character who was evil named Samantha No that I would follow. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I do like the evil Samantha. You didn't like the evil,

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Speaker 1: I didn't, but I had to follow her, of course. Definitely.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen a soap opara outside

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Speaker 1: of UM. You know. I love the funny cameos, like

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Speaker 1: of the By the way, I inadvertently watched ten minutes

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Speaker 1: really bad, like and and the actors in it. Some

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Speaker 1: of them are all school but it's because they're trying

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Speaker 1: to I'm so sorry, y'all. They're trying to become relevant.

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Speaker 1: And so the whole conversation was about social media, and

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Speaker 1: I was like, what is happening. That's a whole side note. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think soap operas are very specific type

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Speaker 1: can like a thing like that, you should feel bad

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Speaker 1: about it, but it knows what it is clearly, it's

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Speaker 1: resonated and you know, I got us my random Star

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Speaker 1: Wars fact. But Star Wars is often known as space

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Speaker 1: space operas sometimes space soap opera because you've got all

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Speaker 1: your family connections and like, oh my god, that's my dad,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's my sister. Uh So, I don't

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Speaker 1: think we should outright dismiss it. But the reason this

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Speaker 1: so ago, as we're recording this, Days of Our Lives,

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Speaker 1: which has been on the air since the nine, has

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Speaker 1: moved to not a current sponsor, but could be a

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Speaker 1: future past sponsor. Peacock NBC Peacock streaming service is a

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Speaker 1: big deal. It was a big deal. Uh, it's a

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Speaker 1: lot of people were talking about it. A lot of

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Speaker 1: of funnily and sometimes kind of agestly pointed out like,

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Speaker 1: no one who watches it is gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: figure out peacock. I mean, to be fair, my mother

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Speaker 1: that all these streaming services can get complicated. And that's

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Speaker 1: all I'll say about that. Also, who wants to pay

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Speaker 1: extra money for soap operas that you were able to watch? Which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, again, my mother recorded these, yes, and

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Speaker 1: on that VHS. She had one specific tape dedicated to it,

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Speaker 1: the tab. If you didn't put the tab incord, Oh

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Speaker 1: it was drama. I would love if somebody, a listener

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Speaker 1: would just right in and explain the plot of Days

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Speaker 1: of Our Lives and as condensed a method as you can.

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Speaker 1: I mean, these are long running, popular shows. They are

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Speaker 1: award winning eight Emmys for daytime drama I believe, for

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Speaker 1: Days of Our Lives, so they resonate people like them.

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Speaker 1: But please enjoy this classic episode brought to you by

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Speaker 1: the reinvented two thousand twelve cameras. It's ready. Are you

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Speaker 1: welcome to stump Mom Never told You? From House top

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Speaker 1: Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to podcast. This is

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Speaker 1: Molly and Kristen Kristin. I have news for you. I'm

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Speaker 1: not actually Molly and her evil twin Holly. Oh god no,

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Speaker 1: And I've been sent here to steal the baby that

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Speaker 1: was secretly put inside you by robot. There's a baby

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Speaker 1: in my womb? Where's the you don't even remember because

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Speaker 1: you have amnesia? Oh shoot, that explains everything. That explains

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Speaker 1: why I don't know where I am right now. And

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Speaker 1: That goes with a mind. Um, that's a perfectly plausible

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Speaker 1: way to start the show. If we were doing a

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Speaker 1: And that is one of the characteristics of soap operas,

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Speaker 1: All My Children and One Life to Live. These things

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Speaker 1: and now they're gonna be gone. They're gone and there

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Speaker 1: Now the network soaps are whittled down to only four

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Speaker 1: the history of soap operas, which started in the nineteen

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