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Speaker 2: It starts now.

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Speaker 1: The number one go to move of women everywhere anytime

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Speaker 1: there is an argument.

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Speaker 2: What is it? What have you learned? Tone policing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, women are really good I don't like your tone?

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Speaker 1: Number one go to? Do men really ever get to

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Speaker 1: play that I don't like your tone angle? I feel

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Speaker 1: like women have just totally co opted that line of

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Speaker 1: attack in all arguments. Men never really get to play

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Speaker 1: the tone. Women are really good at the tone argument.

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Speaker 1: But I know because also if you put your hands

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Speaker 1: on your hips and you cock your head to the

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Speaker 1: side and say I don't like your tone like that,

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Speaker 1: you automatically win the argument, apparently. But I think it's

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Speaker 1: tough for guys to do the hands on the hips

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Speaker 1: routine and be taken serious. I'm curious, are there any

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Speaker 1: men out there that have won successfully by telling their

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Speaker 1: wives that they don't like their tone or girlfriend? I

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Speaker 1: will say you can reach out to us. I would

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Speaker 1: love to hear about your victory. Do if somebody told you, Clay, theoretically, theoretically,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're yelling, and you're like, but I'm not.

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Speaker 2: How do you deal with that one?

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Speaker 1: First of all, I've heard that this is a common,

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Speaker 1: common deployed argument. I've heard two of her friends, sources,

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Speaker 1: sources have told me before this, don't raise your voice

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Speaker 1: when you're talking like this. I'm like, that's just how

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Speaker 1: I talk. I do a radio show. Well, you and I,

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Speaker 1: I think are somewhat disadvantaged because we do have booming,

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Speaker 2: My oldest son, my oldest son.

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Speaker 1: Also has a voice like me, and the other my

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Speaker 1: wife has complained about, like I'm on the phone and

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Speaker 1: you can hear me throughout the whole house, and I

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Speaker 1: just think that I'm talking normally, like voice does tend

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Speaker 2: I don't whisper well.

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Speaker 1: So I do think there's some element of success and

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Speaker 1: probably going after us for tone and also loudness, because

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Speaker 1: we are kind of loud. But I would love to

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Speaker 1: hear from men who have successfully flipped the script.

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Speaker 2: I've never done it. Maybe somebody has pulled it off.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you're like the I don't know the hell Mary,

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Speaker 1: the Doug flutie of tone arguments like you've somehow hit

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Speaker 1: a hell, Mary go in the opposite direction.

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Speaker 2: I don't know now. The reason I bring this.

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Speaker 1: All up is I do think when you look at

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Speaker 1: the way that you handle yourself, if you just say

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Speaker 1: calm and measured while someone else is screaming at you,

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Speaker 1: even if they otherwise have some legitimate arguments to make,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people don't go into the particulars of

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Speaker 1: the argument. They just analyze the body language and also

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Speaker 1: just the body chemistry of those interactions. And I think

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Speaker 1: they have overwhelmingly favored the nominees in terms of how

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Speaker 1: they've handled it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and you know what works really well?

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Speaker 1: I find when you're arguing with a female who is

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Speaker 1: your girlfriend, wife, any of the above, just tell her

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Speaker 1: really definitively calm down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, calm down, calm down, golm down. Winnerfully.

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Speaker 1: If anyone has successfully flipped the tone into a calm

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Speaker 1: down argument, win, then that goes that goes really well.

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Speaker 2: Let's have some fun here.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Joy Behar who I have buck, tell

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Speaker 1: me if you agree with this on my power rankings

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Speaker 1: of stupidity on the view number one with a bullet

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Speaker 1: and like there's nobody even close to her. Now, Sonny

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Speaker 1: Hostin by far the dumbest person on the view, And

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't even think there's a close second.

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Speaker 2: To be fair, Wait wait.

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Speaker 1: You you think you think that Joy Behar would beat

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Speaker 1: Sonny Houston in like a general knowledge or IQ test.

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Speaker 1: I think that she would beat her in a reasonableness test,

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Speaker 1: which is really like my my measure. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: Joy Bahar is a better speller than Sonny Hostin, or

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Speaker 1: that she knows more state capitals. By the way, I

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Speaker 1: humiliated myself yesterday, Buck, I didn't know what the capital

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Speaker 1: Missouri is? Without looking it up? Don't look down at

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Speaker 1: your and your not I you could, you could. I

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Speaker 2: Do you know the capital of Missouri?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just gonna go with good old Saint Louis.

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Speaker 1: I could be wrong, not a bad guess. I said, Columbia, Missouri,

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Speaker 1: it up? Ali producers, anybody else know the capitol of Missouri.

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Speaker 1: This is like a fourth or fifth grade staple of knowledge.

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Speaker 1: I was out to lunch and I wouldn't have gotten

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Speaker 1: of guesses it is. Does the team know Springfield is

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Speaker 1: the guest? That's Illinois, that's close. Look it is Jefferson City.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, would you have ever got to you? I mean,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I apologize, apology to me. I'm gonna tell you

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Speaker 1: I think I could nail like you know, Montana, Helena,

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Speaker 1: through all these days I do, I'd be pretty good,

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Speaker 2: Some of the some of the funky ones. What about

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Speaker 2: in Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: Capital of Kentucky, Man Clay, this is rutal. There are

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Speaker 1: with mine. So sos Missouri. I should have gotten that,

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Speaker 1: It should be sorry to apologize to Kentucky. Nice win

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Speaker 1: you swamp to my Tennessee volunteers yesterday, it should be

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Speaker 1: Louisville or Lexington, both very fine cities. In fact, Lexington's fabulous,

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Speaker 1: Yeah again, So I'm not sure who would win a

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna throw any stones on that right now.

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you state capitals in a very time

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Speaker 1: I know, the capital of South Carolina's Columbia. I thought

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Speaker 1: both of them were Columbia's. I totally with there. I

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Speaker 1: understand if you can't trust us anymore, here is Joy Behar,

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Speaker 1: who may be better at state capitals than us, but

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Speaker 1: is almost certainly dumber in many other respects. Saying Caroline Levitt,

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Speaker 1: new White House Press Secretary, only got her job because

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Speaker 1: she's good looking. Listen, She's probably been put in there because,

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Speaker 1: according to Donald Trump, she's the ten.

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Speaker 2: You know that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that is pretty That's a pretty nasty attack

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Speaker 1: the day after you do your job. On the one hand,

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Speaker 1: it's a compliment she's pretty, she's good looking.

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Speaker 2: Buck. You know this.

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Speaker 1: You dated in New York for a long time. There

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Speaker 1: are a lot of very pretty morons. Uh, and and

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Speaker 1: just being attractive, you get. I can't confirm with that

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Speaker 1: going into any detail beyond that, yes, But I can

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Speaker 1: also tell you, first of all, the irony of being

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Speaker 1: is in some cases definitely a huge factor in why

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Speaker 1: they massive massive job set. Reason they have that job correct,

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Speaker 1: you know, and especially the younger ones at that table,

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Speaker 1: it is it is disproportionately their looks that have gotten

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Speaker 1: them there in the first place. If Sonny Hostin Buck

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Speaker 1: had the exact same talent, I'm gonna put myself.

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Speaker 2: I won't. I won't throw you under the bus here.

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Speaker 2: I'll just say it.

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Speaker 1: If Sonny Hostin weighed two hundred and fifty pounds on

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Speaker 1: She would not make a single dollar in media if

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Speaker 1: other exact same characteristic. My point, when you're on television,

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Speaker 1: cosmetics is a part part of it. But the day

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Speaker 1: after Caroline Levitt dominates the media. For Joy Bayhart to say, oh,

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Speaker 2: But she's also really good.

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Speaker 1: She's also obviously very good at her job and very

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Speaker 1: You know, Fox News, for example, has had a long

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Speaker 1: very just very good looking and very capable. Right, these

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Speaker 1: two things go together. We're in a competitive world, and

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Speaker 1: the TV world is particularly competitive, and having those two

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Speaker 1: You've got two radio guys here, I'm just telling I

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Speaker 1: The standard to be fair for radio guys is very low.

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Speaker 1: I told Buck this. He's been in a couple of

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Speaker 1: press boxes. Sports writers are some of the ugliest, fattest,

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Speaker 2: Radio guys.

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Speaker 1: You walk through radio row where I'll be next week,

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Speaker 1: But Caroline Levitt dominated yesterday. She ran for Congress and

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Speaker 1: almost one in New Hampshire, having to go into all

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Speaker 1: those different town halls everything else. It's a sign of

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Speaker 1: would if she were a Democrat they would say, isn't

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Speaker 1: coming from political political disagreement. But I also am excited

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Speaker 1: to see the shakeups that will be coming to that

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Speaker 1: White House press room. You might be seeing some of

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Speaker 2: That would be fun.

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Speaker 1: Have you been in the White House Press briefing room

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Speaker 2: Not for a briefing, though I've only I've walked in

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Speaker 1: It's actually a very small room, as many television rooms

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Speaker 1: I think that would be fun.

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Speaker 1: If you told me right now, I could do any

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