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If you're listening 25 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,199 Speaker 1: this on Tuesday, I'm on the ground floors Indie, rubbing 26 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: elbows with Super Bowl champions, people that don't even sniff 27 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: the playoffs, and just people in the NFL. 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It gives you good site lines, 64 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: how much things cost, the price points, and then promo 65 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: code John that's my name, Save twenty dollars and enjoy 66 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: yourself and don't even need to thank you. Just hammer 67 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: that promo code. The Indianapolis Combine, there was a lot 68 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: of buzz a couple of years years ago, and I 69 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: remember friends in the league, older guys used to tell 70 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: me the moment Kronky got that built in LA that 71 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: the combine is not long for Indianapolis, and everyone in 72 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: the NFL freaked out. Now, the only reason I have 73 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: ever been to Indy is because of this combine. So 74 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of other experience doing other stuff, 75 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: but I have spent This is probably my fifth or 76 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: sixth combine. Now at this point in time, I only 77 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: go for a couple days. Back when I worked in 78 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: the NFL, you kind of go for the whole time. 79 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: It is like Vegas in the sense that it is 80 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: very very easy to get from building to building without 81 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: going outside, and even in Vegas you have to go 82 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: outside if you want to cross the street. Kind of 83 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: those upper bridges, Well, the bridges in Indy because it's 84 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: a freezing cold city, even though it's not supposed to 85 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: be very cold, are all, you know, covered, You never 86 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: need to go outside ever. It is one of the 87 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: great convention cities and I haven't been to them all 88 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:03,119 Speaker 1: but in America. And it's perfectly built for this event 89 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: because you can house the media, you can house the players, everyone. 90 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: Where the players stay, they never even have to go 91 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: outside to get to the stadium for the workouts. This 92 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: place is just perfect for this event. And I'm glad 93 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: that they work some stuff out. It looked like they 94 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: were gonna end up in LA that they just stay 95 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: in Indie, And honestly, and I get businesses, times change, 96 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: this event should stay in Indie moving forward. Now, let's 97 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: talk big picture what matters and what doesn't, and we'll 98 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: just bang out some things. To me, the number one thing, 99 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: the number one goal of the NFL combine for NFL teams, 100 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: that's being a GM or a head coach. And obviously 101 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: they work hand in hand. This time of year is 102 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: not the college kids, because the draft is at the 103 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: end of April. And let's face it, the most important 104 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: part of this combine for the college kids is the medical, 105 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: which GM's coaches, scouts have nothing to do with your 106 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: doctors and your trainers. Every kid goes through basically every 107 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: team and gets a full physical, and that's very important 108 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: for the players. The number one thing, though, is free 109 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: agency and transactions. And this is the ultimate convention where 110 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: I guess not every coach goes anymore. Actually a lot 111 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: of coaches are not attending, but every general manager is 112 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: there and every scouting department is there, just like every 113 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: agent is there. And it's never been easier to do 114 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: business now on FaceTime, on tex calling, right, email, whatever. 115 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: There is nothing like being in person. We've all listened. 116 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: I've been working from home for seven eight years. There 117 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: is nothing like doing a deal in the flesh. That's 118 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: where deals gets done at the highest levels, because there's 119 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: a personal element to this. And when you're talking these 120 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: free agent contracts or contract extensions exceeding one hundred plus 121 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: million dollars in guaranteed numbers, it makes it a lot 122 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: easier to do a deal in person. So this week, 123 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: the number one goal for all these teams is to 124 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: figure out how much your own guys costs, how much 125 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: your own guys that you're on the fence of paying 126 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: what you can get for them on the open market, 127 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: and then how much the guys that you want in 128 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: free agency costs. So when you go home at the 129 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: end of the week, you still have a couple weeks. 130 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: I think the official date this year is March eleventh. 131 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: How much I have to pay for my own guys, 132 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: how much I have to pay for the guys that 133 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: I want to fill the holes on my team, and 134 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: how much if I'm interested in extending a guy's contract 135 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: on my own team, a good player, how much that 136 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: is going to cost? And that's what the next six 137 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: or seven days is all about. So if you're the 138 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers, okay, that'saw a report today they want 139 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: to keep Mike Evans as a buck, Well, what type 140 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,679 Speaker 1: numbers are we talking? We want to keep Baker Mayfield 141 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: as our quarterback? How much is that going to cost? 142 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: If I'm John Lynch and I love Brandon Ayuk and 143 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: I want to keep them, what type numbers are we talking? 144 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: Are we talking nineteen million dollars a year? He want 145 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: twenty five million dollars a year? And if he gets 146 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: to a place where I'm not comfortable extending that contract. 147 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: What can I get for him on the open market 148 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: wherever GM is there? So I kind of know who 149 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: to talk to. Let's go to some remember last year, 150 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago when Seattle traded Russell Wilson 151 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: to the Denver Broncos, where those guys were meeting in 152 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: their hotel rooms. Hey, hey, John, come to my hotel 153 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: room and we'll bang this deal out. No one can 154 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: see us, and we can order some room service, bring 155 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: a couple of coke zeros, bring a couple of Starbucks, 156 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: and we'll fucking figure this thing out. And that's going 157 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: on at the highest level of a Russell Wilson type trade. 158 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: And I'm sure they are gonna be guys that by 159 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: the middle or the end of the week, some names 160 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: are gonna leak like yeah, they've discussed trading this guy, 161 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: or we're gonna be like whoa, And then there are 162 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: just some talks of the guy end up won't getting traded. 163 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: But you're gonna have those discussions. But you have you know, 164 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: you have two hundred and fifty five million dollars to 165 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: play with this coming season. You have a team that 166 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: you already have guys that you are contractually obligated to, 167 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: and then you've got to figure out how to add 168 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: guys or extend guys in that pie. And I think 169 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: that's the coaching staff for the entire season is just 170 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: focused on twenty twenty three, trying to win enough games 171 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: to get into the playoffs, and then trying to win 172 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: playoff game after playoff game. The front office is evaluating 173 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: free agents in college players. I know I did this 174 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: back to like the summer, You're already thinking about the offseason. 175 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: It's why it's so important. It's why so many people say, 176 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: like it's very, very difficult to be a head coach 177 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: in a GM in this modern day NFL win the 178 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: amount of money that we're talking. So the number one 179 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: goal this weekend is about figuring out your own free agents, 180 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 1: the free agents you want, and then the guys you're 181 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: on the fence with. Am I gonna extend this guy 182 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: or am I gonna trade him? Cause you see this 183 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: when it gets reported that like T Higgins has been franchised, Well, 184 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: are you gonna give him a contract extension? Like are 185 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: you gonna break him off? Are you gonna give him 186 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: a four or five your deal? Or are you just 187 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: doing this so you can go to the combine and 188 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: then be like, let's see what we get for him, 189 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: because if you're them, it doesn't make sense to like 190 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: trade for a third round pick, right, because you would 191 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: get that as a compensatory. Anyway, is someone giving you 192 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: a first round pick and I like T Higgins a 193 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: lot in a really good wide receiver draft, where if 194 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 1: I draft a wide receiver it picked twenty two. Let's 195 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: just say the Florida State guy. That guy's playing on 196 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: my team at two or three million dollars, where if 197 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: I trade for T. Higgins, I'm immediately paying him twenty million. 198 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: It's hard if you're the Bengals, right, you know you're 199 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: gonna you already paid your quarterback. You know you're gonna 200 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: pay Jamar Chase. Now you have Jamar Chase and T Higgins. 201 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 1: One guy's making twenty the other guy's making thirty. It's 202 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: a lot of money to pay two wide receivers. It's 203 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: the forty nine ers con under they've already paid Deebo Samuel. 204 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: Now I use a better receiver, but Deebo's a little 205 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: more unique. Like what do you do? And these are 206 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: complicated questions and the number one thing you do is 207 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: you find out all your options. You find out all 208 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: your options. That's what anyone does in business. What are 209 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 1: all my options? Give me ABC and D, and then 210 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: we try to make a calculated decision based on there's 211 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: several different roads we can go down. This is how 212 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: much it's gonna cost, this is what we get back 213 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: in a trade, This is what he would do if 214 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: we just yeah, we're not gonna do anything. We're just 215 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: gonna have you play on your fifth year option to 216 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: be like, well, I'm not gonna show up. So these 217 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: are very complicated situations, and we talk about free agency 218 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: a lot part of going down and like, hey we 219 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: really need a good linebacker, or we really need a 220 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: good tight end or a good starting guard. Well you 221 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: know the top two or three guys at every position 222 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: in free agency, and you have a pretty good idea 223 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: going into this, even if a guy hasn't been quote 224 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: unquote franchise tagged. A guy that's gonna get franchise taged. 225 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: So I think you go and you go, well, this 226 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: guy's just good guard. He'd start for us, But how 227 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: much were we willing to pay him? Because on in 228 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: free agency, if you have a couple of teams bidding, 229 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:51,719 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, we like that guy at seven 230 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: eight million dollars, but if we got to bid fourteen 231 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: million dollars for the player, like we're out right or 232 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: a corner or whoever. So, and let's face, in free agency, 233 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: you pay like I don't know, a thirty percent markup. 234 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: You just do. Because there aren't many free agents on 235 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: the market that are like impact starters, impacts even a 236 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: strong word, just a guy who you can view as 237 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: a plug and play starter. So it's complicated times now. 238 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: I do think when it comes to the college players, 239 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: the scouts and a lot of assistant gms and maybe 240 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: even some general managers have scouted guys live, have done 241 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: what we call it in the business, a school call, 242 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: Like I've gone to USC to see Kleb Williams and 243 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: I went to a game, or I went to LSU 244 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: when I saw those guys and I went to one 245 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: of their games. Most of the general managers and all 246 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: of the coaches, unless they had a son playing on 247 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: one of these teams and they went have not met 248 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: any of these players. Honestly, most of the coaches, and 249 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: this is where it becomes a very difficult time. Most 250 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: of the coaches haven't even watched any of these players. 251 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: And one thing I learned when I was scouting, and 252 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: I think that's true. Probably in any walk of life, 253 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: you want to look at someone's resume, and in football, 254 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: that's their tape before you meet the guy. Because if 255 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: you meet the guy and you really like him, or 256 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: you meet the guy and you don't really like him, 257 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: you could be turned off even though the guy is 258 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: very qualified, even though the guy is a really good player. 259 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: Well that's the problem with the combine. All your coaches 260 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 1: get to meet these players for the first time. And besides, 261 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: like Caleb Williams or whatever, it's like they've studied the 262 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: defensive tackle from Michigan or studied the outside linebacker from Oregon. Right, 263 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: So you meet these guys and same with the coaches. 264 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: A lot of the GMS have watched these players throughout 265 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: the year, but the coaches have not, and most of them, 266 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: some of them maybe have banged out a little college tape, 267 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: but the overwhelming majority of them will have not watched 268 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: much film going into this combine. So now you're meeting 269 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: guys for the first time. It's why these first interactions 270 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: can be very, very big. Here's the unique part about 271 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: meeting them. You've had scouts. Let's just pick a player. 272 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: Let's just pick Caleb Williams because he's the most famous. 273 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: All these teams are going to interview Caleb Williams. Well, 274 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: they have a book, right, they have a book on 275 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: all might be an iPad now on every player at 276 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: the combine with the write ups from all the scouts, 277 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: but the character all the information from the coaches, all 278 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: the information from the academic advisors, all the information from 279 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: everyone at the school. So I already know a shitload 280 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: about you as a human being, even though you've never 281 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: met any of us. So I can talk to you 282 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: and I have some highlighted things that we want to 283 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: touch on based on my scouts going through there. So 284 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: while the first time I ever shake your hand and 285 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: look you in the eye, I have all this information 286 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: on you now because it's a public job, you have 287 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: information like if I'm Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVay or whatever, 288 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: Andy Reid, you know who I am. But I'm interviewing you. 289 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: So it's it's a very important time. It's a first interaction. 290 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: But ultimately that meeting, I would say goes little in 291 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: terms of the big picture evaluation of whether we're going 292 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: to draft or not. But it is the first time 293 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: you ever meet the player, and the GM's probably you know, 294 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: you're able to meet sixty of them over the course 295 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: of the week fifty minute interviews, so it's not like 296 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: you get to sit down with the guy. Imagine if 297 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: you had to invest in an employee, a first rounder 298 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: at millions of dollars and you get fifteen minutes. So 299 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: there's a lot more as this process goes on. Usually 300 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: flat to their pro day, try to take them out 301 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: to dinner, you bring them into your building. So this 302 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: is only the beginning, but it is the first time, 303 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: and once they go on the field, everyone makes a 304 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: really big deal about this, like why do we care 305 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: about forties? Why do we care about the broad jump? 306 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: Why do we care about all the measurables. Ultimately, you're 307 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: not paid to jump, and you're not paid to lift weights, 308 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: and you're not paid to run a forty. Belichick's always 309 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: says this, we pay the guys to play football, not 310 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: to play combine, and it is true, but look at 311 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: the combine a lot like the details of a house 312 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: when you're looking to buy right, the size of a kitchen, 313 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: the size of a backyard, how many car the garage 314 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: do you have, how many rooms are in the house, 315 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: is it been remodeled, has it been updated? All those 316 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: go in to the price that you have to pay 317 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: for the house. This combine does not determine whether you're 318 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: going to be a good or bad player in the NFL. Honestly, 319 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: it has little to no impact. It does help determine, though, 320 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: your value in the draft. So if I'm a wide 321 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: receiver and I run a four to six ' eight, 322 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: That's not going to be ideal and I'm going to 323 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: fall in the draft because of my time speed. Now, 324 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: once I get to the NFL, if I'm a great 325 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: route runner, if I'm strong at the point of the catch, 326 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: if i make contested catches, if I'm able to get open, 327 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: if I'm just a really good player, that four six ' 328 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: eight will not define me. Keenan Allen was an excellent 329 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: player in college and then he had this knee injury 330 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: and he didn't run and he was everyone viewed him 331 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: as slow, and he went in the third round and 332 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: he's had an incredible career. DeVante Adams, who was an 333 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: awesome player in college, smaller school, but was a badass, 334 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: went to the combine and didn't run that fast, went 335 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: in the second round. He's, you know, a Hall of 336 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: Fame level town. A lot of corners. Now this is 337 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: one position, Like it's hard to play corner when you're slow. 338 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: So when a guy at corner runs a four to 339 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: six to oh, Now, there are schemes, especially zone schemes 340 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: that you can scheme around, but eventually as a dB, 341 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: especially on the outside, you're gonna be in a one 342 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: on one situation and look around the league, a lot 343 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: of guys can run really fast. Now there are other 344 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: positions where I remember Hufunga the forty nine or safety 345 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: towards ACL this year you get these guys like don't 346 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: have a position. You got was a safety as a linebacker. 347 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: It's a lot of overthing, rightfully, so because you're not 348 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: doing this evaluation off film, you're doing it off the combine. 349 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: But the combine, your weight, your height, at everything, all 350 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: your athletic measurements do help determine the price I have 351 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: to pay for you as a team trying to draft you. 352 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: So if you run really fast, if you measure all 353 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: the athletic. Uh, you know, testing really well, then what's 354 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: gonna happen. I'm gonna probably and your tape's good. It's 355 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: gonna be very, very expensive with draft capital to get you. 356 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: But if God is really out of shape, he doesn't 357 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: look great, but we love his tape. Maybe you fall 358 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: around or two. That's just a reality of this combine. 359 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: So there are gonna be guys that run really fast. 360 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 1: They're gonna be good players that run really slow. And 361 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: if you go on the internet, people be freaking out 362 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: like we do this every time. Yeah, because it determines 363 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 1: your market value. It does not determine your talent. It 364 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: does not determine how good of a football player you 365 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: are going to be. It does help determine where you're 366 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: gonna get drafted, though. Okay, let's do a little mail 367 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: bag at John Middlecoff. At John Middlecoff is the Instagram 368 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: fire in those dms love the pod. As a Raider fan, 369 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: I have to ask, should we trade up for Jaden 370 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: Daniels or Drake may sit on our first rounder and 371 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: see if a quarterback falls to us, or go get 372 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: a guy like Cousins or Fields. Well, if we just 373 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: assume and as we're sitting here today. I think it's fair. 374 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: It's gonna go in some order. Caleb May Daniels or 375 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: Caleb Daniels May those guys are going one, two, three. 376 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: All the three teams need a quarterback, right. I would 377 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: expect the Bears to trade fields in the next you know, 378 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, ten fifteen days, so they will take 379 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams and then it just comes down to Washington 380 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: is taking a quarterback. I'm pretty sure New England is two, 381 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: so I don't even think that's going to be an option. 382 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of people kind of act like 383 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson to the Raiders. Remember once upon a time 384 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson wanted like remember when he was mad at Seattle, 385 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: and it was like, if you are gonna trade meet, 386 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: this was before the trade. These would be some teams 387 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: I'd be interested in. I think it was like New 388 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: Orleans the Cowboys. I think, I don't know which is 389 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: weird because they had Dak, but at the time people 390 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 1: viewed him as better than Dak. The Raiders were one 391 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: of them. I forget the fourth maybe the Giants, And 392 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: now Antonio Pierce is like an old school player. Maybe 393 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: he wouldn't even like Russell Wilson, but I could see 394 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: Mark Davis wanting a little star power. That's something to 395 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,719 Speaker 1: keep an eye on. I would say that's something definitely 396 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: keep an eye on. Do you think the Panthers would 397 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: draft Caleb if they had the number one overall pick, 398 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: and if so, what would they do with Bryce Young? 399 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: It's a good question. I don't know, good question. Listen. 400 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: I think as a prospect, if they were in the 401 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: draft last year, the Panthers would have taken Caleb Williams. 402 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: Bryce Young would not be a Panther. The problem is, 403 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: once you invest in taking a guy, you'd have to 404 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: really hate him. Like it was pretty clear that they 405 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: didn't like Josh Rosen year one, so when they took 406 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray it was kind of a double whammy. One, 407 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: Kyler was a much better prospect than Josh, but two 408 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: it was just Cliff came new staff. I think that 409 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: you know that being said, I think they just would 410 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: what they would do with Bryce, like, what's his trade value? Honestly, 411 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: what could they get for Bryce Young third round pick? 412 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: I don't even think they could get a second right now. 413 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: I mean last year and listen, his career is not done, 414 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: but based on last year and that's all we have 415 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: to go off of it. I mean I watched some 416 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 1: of those watched Carolina games would be strong. I mean 417 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: I paid attention to him on one of the little boxes. 418 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: You would watch series and be like, God, this guy 419 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: looks overwhelmed. I think the craziest part is that he 420 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: looks really small. Question for the bag The Commanders in 421 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: Titan should be big players this offseason. Neither team as 422 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: much in the way of long term pieces. They are 423 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: number one and two in the most most cap space. 424 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: They both have top ten picks. With Peters and ran 425 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: Karthen running those teams, how do you think they look 426 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: to build the roster. Here's the problem with cap space 427 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: is when you say it out loud, it sounds really good, right. 428 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: You just go, I got seventy eighty million dollars in 429 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: cap space, and it is important because it gives you flexibility. 430 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: But then you look at the free agents. You're like, 431 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 1: let's go sign t Higgins, Let's go sign the d 432 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: lineman from the Ravens, Let's go sign whoever. All the 433 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: best free agents always get tagged, always, so the best 434 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: free agents that actually hit the open market. Look at 435 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: last year the highest paid guys, you know, it's like McGlinchey, 436 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: it was Javon Hargrave, its starters. But like I said, 437 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: you have to pay a premium because that's just what 438 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: you have to do in free agency, Like you have 439 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: to pay a thirty forty percent mark up and you're 440 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: not getting some super super high impact player most of 441 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: the time. Every once in a while you do, but 442 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: there's a reason the guy's hitting free agency. So I 443 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: guess that's a long winded way of saying. I think 444 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: you kind of have to see who ends up hitting 445 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: the open market and then kind of be careful. Now, 446 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: you also can't afford to overpay a guy or two, 447 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: but that's not really how you want to conduct business. 448 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: You don't just want to overpay because like I can't overpay. 449 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: I got the cap space. That's not always the best 450 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: way to operate, and that's where I think it makes 451 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: it very very challenging as a GM with a lot 452 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: of ammou She's like, well, who am I spending this on? 453 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: If I go get like Mike Evans and Trent Williams 454 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: and fucking he had sweet impact players, right. Roquan Smith. 455 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 1: Some of those guys are free agents. Some of them 456 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: are clearly not. I don't know. I'm just good players 457 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 1: are popping in on my mind. Yeah, go buy him, 458 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: But that's not This isn't baseball or basketball, Aaron Judge, 459 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: Shojeo Tani is not exactly on the free agent mark 460 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: when you work for the Eagles. Was obvious that Vic 461 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: was better than Cobb. I know, Cobb was supposed to 462 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: be the starter. Then he got hurt. Crazy to think 463 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: that after Vic got out of prison, more teams didn't 464 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: want to sign him since they were scared of the 465 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,719 Speaker 1: fan backlash. I feel the situation was on par with 466 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: Shawn Watson getting two hundred and forty million. I got 467 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: to push back on that. Michael Vick went to Levenworth 468 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: Google for those of you that don't know Google, Levenworth. 469 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: Never been there. It's not a fucking place you want 470 00:24:54,880 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: to go. He went to prison. Deshaun Watson. Now it 471 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 1: was clear he was guilty, right, he got caught red handed. 472 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson tried to act like he did nothing wrong, 473 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: which you know a lot of he said. She said, 474 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: which listen, whenever it's a one on one situation I 475 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: always go, I have no clue, right, I have no clue. 476 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: That's always my stance. We know how the media operates. 477 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: Mattareza kick Matterresa out of football for life. Turns out 478 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: she's lying. He had nothing to do with it, and no, 479 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: the media never says shit. That's why my reaction always is, 480 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. I was not there, How could I 481 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: have an opinion on this? And it's why Mattterresa is 482 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: back in the league because he was innocent, right, And 483 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: you get a lot of these situations. Deshaun Watson had 484 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: like almost thirty girls coming after it was unlike anything 485 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: I've ever seen. So Dejeun Watson didn't do any prison time. 486 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: De Jeun Watson get in any trouble, So I I 487 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: don't think they're comparable. Michael Vick was out of football 488 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: for a couple of years now that that's the one 489 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: comparable part, But it was because he was behind bars. 490 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: John was like going to practice playing scout team safety. 491 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: You remember, I remember getting to practice when I first 492 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: got hired at OTA's it would have been twenty ten 493 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 1: and coming from Fresno State, we had Derek Carr was 494 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: a young guy on our team and Derek had a 495 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: pretty big arm, and I remember thinking, like, God, this 496 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: guy's arm isn't that good. You know, Kevin was athletic, 497 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: but he just didn't have a very good arm. And 498 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: then he got KO'ed in that game against the Packers 499 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: Week one, and Michael Vick came in. The rest was history. 500 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: Kevin never played again. I think he ended up playing 501 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 1: a couple of games because Vic got hurt that year, 502 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: but obviously got traded that offseason. It's hard, though, I 503 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: would say this in the OTA setting, if you don't 504 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: like Michael Vick's gonna look good in a O TA setting. 505 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: He's got a huge arm. Now he's Michael Vick, so 506 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: you knew. But if you go to an OTA setting 507 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: with a guy with a big arm, they're gonna look 508 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 1: good in that situation. And the guy with an average arm, 509 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: like Philip Rivers, some of those type guys are probably 510 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: not gonna look super great in OTA. Realize fans dream 511 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: player trades in the NFL more than reality, But given 512 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: the aggressiveness for quarterback picks, one occurred to me. Given 513 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: many needs a quarterback and has a number one wide receiver, 514 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: a good cheap one in Addison how would the Bears. 515 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: Teams in the top three react to a trade of Jefferson, 516 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: especially the Bears who have number nine. Minnesota would never 517 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 1: trade Justin Jefferson there, So imagine the Bears trading Minnesota 518 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: number one and getting Jefferson. You just you can't do 519 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: that in your division one. Obviously, you would need a 520 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: quarterback more than Justin Jefferson. Justin Jefferson's a great player, 521 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 1: but if you could have a top ten quarterback, that 522 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: guy's more valuable than Justin Jefferson. But you can't do 523 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: deals like that with you in your division. It's just 524 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: you can't do it because if it fails for you 525 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: and works for them, everyone in that building is getting 526 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: fired if Justin Jefferson's catching touchdowns on you in Chicago. 527 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: So I know what you're saying. It's just not even 528 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: an option, I guess, is the long way to put it. 529 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: You just you can't do deals like that in your division. 530 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: Will the launch of the Warner Brothers cable streaming service 531 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: at be the end of YouTube TV? I'd be lying 532 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: if I know all the details of that. I did 533 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: read some people aren't too happy with that, like the NFL. 534 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: So we'll see if it actually goes down, but I 535 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: hope not. I was just watching YouTube TV today, plan 536 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: on watching it later tonight. I love YouTube TV. I 537 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: always see people just assuming that teams like the Niners 538 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: will restructures players contracts like Deebo, Trent and other stars 539 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: to open up space. Can you speak on the likelihood 540 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: of stuff like that actually? And if it's so easy, 541 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: then why doesn't every team or structure all their players. Well, 542 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: when you restructure your players, you basically just give them 543 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: more money up front, and you are able to cook 544 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: the books and move money on the books act. So 545 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: you only do it to guys like let's use an 546 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: example of a team who's a good team, the Chiefs. 547 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: It's they could restructure Kelsey or Mahomes pretty easily. Those 548 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: guys are not going anywhere, or the bills with Josh Allen. 549 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: But anytime like Deebo Samuel, would you restructure Deebo Samuel 550 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: where in a year you like might be open to 551 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: moving him. That's where you got to get very called. 552 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,479 Speaker 1: Trent Williams, you could do that for sure, Fred Warner, 553 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,959 Speaker 1: you could do that. Like am I going to restructure 554 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: George Kittle or Deebo? Samuel like those problem, what if 555 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: I want to have some flexibility with those two players 556 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: next year. So I think a lot of it is 557 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: it's just giving them money right now to then be 558 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: able to fudge the books for the next couple of years. 559 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: But when you do it to players who you might 560 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: move it can you know it can just be risky. 561 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: So you only want to do it to guy. And 562 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: that's the problem with the NFL. This isn't basketball, where yeah, 563 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: this guy's gonna be on the team the next seven years. 564 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: In two years, shit can change fast. Injuries, guy can 565 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: fall of cliff. So it's complicated that way. Big fan 566 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: of the pod. If you were the Bears, would you 567 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: give Jalen Johnson a contract extension. I'm of the school 568 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: of thought that you need to pay a top corner 569 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: to have a successful secondary. Look at the Chiefs. Both 570 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: their corners are on rookie deals and it is looking 571 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: more and more likely they don't pay Snead and have 572 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: to tag him. Wondering what your thoughts are. I think 573 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: whenever you draft good players. Now, I guess Ryan Poles 574 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: technically didn't draft Jalen Johnson, but you either draft good 575 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: players or you inherit good players who are young, and 576 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: then those guys go on to be impact players. It's 577 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: in your best interest to keep them. And if you're 578 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: able to trade justin fields, why wouldn't you pay your 579 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: good players on your roster. You just paid sweat you 580 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: pay Jalen Johnson. All of a sudden, your defense is 581 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: pretty good, right, And part of drafting Caleb Williams is 582 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: he makes thirty five million dollars over five years. Even 583 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: though he's not making nothing because his number one overall pick, 584 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: he's still relatively cheap compared to top quarterbacks. So if 585 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: he becomes a top twelve guy, all of a sudden, 586 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: you know you have a quarterback who enables you to 587 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: pay other guys in your roster. So I think that 588 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: where the Chiefs get problematic is they have some high expenses. Right, 589 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: Mahomes makes a lot of money. Chris Jones the last 590 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: couple years made a lot of money. So now they 591 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: can kind of start, I guess, spreading out the love 592 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: a little bit moving forward. But I think the key 593 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,719 Speaker 1: is if you a team like the Bears that are 594 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: going to have a quarterback on a rookie contract, is 595 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: to be overly aggressive you know, is to like the 596 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: easiest way for a young player to be good playing 597 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: a good team. So having Jalen Johnson there helps if 598 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: you play if the Bears next year or a top 599 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: ten defense makes it a lot easier for the young quarterback. 600 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: What was the problem this year for Caleb Williams. Fucking 601 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: defense was horrendous. It's one of the worst defenses I've 602 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: ever seen for a team that should have been decent, 603 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: like USC. I mean, they were you can't even put 604 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: into words how terrible they were. I mean they were 605 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: god awful and it puts so much pressure on them. 606 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: So and a lot of young quarterbacks go to teams 607 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: that defenses suck, and when that's the case, you just 608 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: always kind of feel like you're fighting an uphill battle. 609 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: I'm a college baseball player at an NAI school in 610 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: northern California. I had the opportunity to play football coming 611 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: out of college and deeply regrant my decision to play baseball. 612 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: I'm a business minded person and want to get involved 613 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: in sports again. Whirsh I start? I would get involved 614 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: with the athletic program, you know, I would immediately. If 615 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: you want to get involved with your school's football program. 616 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: Get involved there that way, if you know, if you 617 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: want to get if you graduate and want to get 618 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: like a graduate degree, try to become a graduate assistant somewhere. 619 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: Try to get into recruiting, try to get in somewhere. 620 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: That way, we can get your foot in the door. 621 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: But I would say, you're still young. Do you have 622 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: the opportunity to immediately kind of kind of keep it rolling. 623 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: So to me, the easiest route always is to get 624 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: involved in college athletics. I had an idea for the 625 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: Tuesday segment about the idea of topic Tuesday. What about 626 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: tasty Tuesday and get that bad boy sponsored by a 627 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: food brand if possible, God, how we're tasty Tuesday. I 628 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: liked that. Maybe tasty Tuesday and we try to find 629 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: some spicy takes. I love the show and even gotten 630 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: into golf based on listening to go low, keep killing 631 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: the game, Jesse, I appreciate. I like Tasty Tuesday. Longtime listener, 632 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: huge Lions fan, Good time to be you. The narrative 633 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: the entire season was how cook the secondary was, and 634 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: that would seem like a no brainer first round pick. 635 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: But I'm of the opinion developing the trenches is the 636 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: first priority, especially getting another edge rusher to enhance Hutchinson. 637 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: I think if you can stop a dominant rush, you 638 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: drop back more, and all of a sudden, a below 639 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: average secondary becomes above average. I totally agree. Like, ideally 640 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: you'd like to have you know, fucking Richard Sherman or 641 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: Revis playing corner. It's very hard to find those guys. 642 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: And you're good now, so you're picking in the twenties. 643 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 1: You can never go wrong with the offensive defensive line. 644 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: If you told me, for ten straight years, a team, 645 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: if they had a quarterback, took an O lineman or 646 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: a D lineman, I don't think how anyone would complain, 647 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: because if you're good in the trenches, your team's gonna 648 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 1: be good. Why was your offense good? Yeah, I mean Gibbs, 649 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 1: the running back in Montgomery are good players. The port 650 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: is a stud. Your offensive line is awesome. Yeah, I 651 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 1: mean you had arguably the best or one of the 652 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: best offensive lines in the league. So why did your 653 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: quarterback look a lot better? It's not like he's scrambling around. 654 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: It's because he's not getting touched. So I'm a huge, 655 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: huge believer in just building it in the trenches. And 656 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: if you get Hutchinson another friend, a high end friend. 657 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: But I would say this, your guys front office is 658 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: pretty good. I mean, they proved last year to be that. 659 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,760 Speaker 1: What they've done the last I would say eighteen months 660 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: to turn this thing around, to add the players. I 661 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: mean even going back to when they wanted golf. But 662 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: last year's draft was pretty incredible. I think you gotta 663 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: have a lot of faith you really do. You got 664 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: your offensive coordinator coming back. I mean, I think this 665 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: team is right up there with the Niners as being 666 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: one of the teams that you know you would pick 667 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: just to be in the Super Bowl next year. They 668 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 1: got every guy coming back. How are they not going 669 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,800 Speaker 1: to be really really good? Now? You would say their division? 670 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: I mean the Bears more like they're gonna have a 671 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: rookie quarterback. Who knows what Minnesota's going to do a quarterback. 672 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: They might have a rookie quarterback, or they might have 673 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: cousins coming off in Achilles. And the Packers, I mean, 674 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,919 Speaker 1: should be a lot better, but there's there's a lot 675 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: different pressure on kind of getting a fly under the 676 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: radar this year. Starting slow now, like everyone's looking at 677 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick the Packers to win eleven twelve games. 678 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: We'll see if Jordan Love can answer the bell. Hope 679 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: he does because I like watching him play, but there's 680 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: no guarantee. We see a lot of quote unquote flashing 681 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,439 Speaker 1: the pan quarterbacks. It's hard to play. I'm not saying 682 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: that's what I think he's gonna be, but we'll see 683 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: him prove it. Like you've seen now, you know, Jared 684 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: Goff when his team's good, have a ton of success 685 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: on multiple different franchises. The Lions are pretty set up. 686 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: To me. The key of this draft just have a 687 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 1: solid draft. Like, your secondary is not gonna be awesome 688 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,760 Speaker 1: next year, but like you said, if your pass rush 689 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: is elite, if you can turn that unit into one 690 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 1: of the better, you know, defensive lines in the NFL, yeah, 691 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 1: it makes a lot easier on the secondary. The volume