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Speaker 1: Novel.

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Speaker 2: Hey, listener, in this episode, we'll talk a lot about

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Speaker 2: acts of extreme violence, including murder. We'll mention serial killers,

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Speaker 2: and we'll speak about drug use and sex work. But

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Speaker 2: also we'll hear our very own doctor, detective Mindy Shapiro,

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Speaker 2: get the chance to spar with a real life police detective.

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Speaker 2: If you feel impacted by any of the themes while listening,

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Speaker 2: reuniting the bodies of unidentified people with their families. You

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Speaker 2: can find them at DNADO project dot org. And you

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Speaker 2: already know you're probably gonna hear some swear words from me.

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Speaker 2: I'm passionate. What can I tell you?

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Speaker 3: Do you mind if I send the text? Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: might get something right away.

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Speaker 4: What who do you know?

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Speaker 2: In the last episode you heard producer Anna and Raoul

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Speaker 2: Montero are New York citizen sleuth zeroing in on one killer,

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Speaker 2: in particular, Joel Rifkin. Shortly before Anna went to visit Raoul,

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Speaker 2: she got her hands on a book.

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Speaker 1: Not just any book.

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Speaker 2: It's called from the Mouth of a Monster, which is

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Speaker 2: written by someone who attended college with Rifkin. In the book,

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Speaker 2: Rifkin confesses to seventeen murders between nineteen eighty nine and

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three. His first victim was a sex worker

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Speaker 2: named Susie, who he killed in March of nineteen eighty nine.

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Speaker 2: He told the books author about her murder and what

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Speaker 2: he did with her remains.

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Speaker 5: Driving back into New York City, he had it straight

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Speaker 5: for an area near the East River in Lower Manhattan,

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Speaker 5: the same area where he had been serviced by street

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Speaker 5: walkers countless times before. His head was spinning as he

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Speaker 5: parked the truck and flung the bags containing Susie's arms

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Speaker 5: and torso into the frigid's swirling waters.

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Speaker 2: Holy shit, Rifkin dumps Susie's torso in the East River.

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Speaker 1: And you know where The East River.

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Speaker 2: Opens up into the Bay which flows directly towards Front Street,

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Speaker 2: Pier three, Staten Island. I'm Carol Fisher and from the

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Speaker 2: teams at Novel and iHeart Podcast, this is the Girlfriend's

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Speaker 2: Our Last Sister, Episode four, Desperately seeking Susie Coat.

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Speaker 6: Am I taking us the wrong way?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 6: That must be that way that way.

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Speaker 2: I'm with Mindy and producer Anna in Alphabet City on

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Speaker 2: the Lower East Side of Manhattan.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I forgot to have too short legged peak pop.

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Speaker 2: Here, Come on, Goliath, we're here because we've been mining

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Speaker 2: from the mouth of a monster for more information. In

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Speaker 2: the book, Riff can describe picking up a sex worker

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Speaker 2: named Susie in Alphabet City back in the eighties. This

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Speaker 5: It feels powerful, like walking on pavements that you know somebody.

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Speaker 1: Yet, Oh, it's really eerie to meet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird finding it with Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We're walking towards Tompkins Square Park.

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Speaker 2: It's a natural meeting point in the area and was

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Speaker 2: a popular hangout for sex workers. But according to our

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Speaker 2: resident New york Or Mindy, it has a radical pass

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Speaker 6: It was kind.

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Speaker 7: Of the place where people stood on their soapboxes and

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Speaker 7: then in the sixties and seventies it sort of became

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Speaker 2: And that would be the sound of a pneumatic drill.

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Speaker 2: New York is such a peaceful place.

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Speaker 7: In the seventies and eighties, it became sort of like

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Speaker 1: Like riots here.

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Speaker 7: I remember seeing as a kid lies on horseback and

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Speaker 2: At the time, there were clashes between the police and

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Speaker 2: of the book From the Mouth of a Monster.

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Speaker 8: An excerpt from the book where Joel confessed to earling Susie,

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Speaker 8: and I was wondering if maybe also want to read

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Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, because reshig in silence is not good for

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Speaker 2: We're reading this book because we're longing to learn whatever

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Speaker 1: She said her name was Susie.

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Speaker 7: After they negotiated a price for her to accompany him

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Speaker 7: to Long Island. The relationship quickly deteriorated and his blood

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Speaker 6: First, we stopped at her girlfriend's house.

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Speaker 7: Were called, Joel contemptuously, because you always have to take

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Speaker 1: She's in this.

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Speaker 2: We're not going to read out the whole passage. It

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Speaker 7: To his horror, Susie suddenly popped up on the couch

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Speaker 7: in a last ditch effort to salvage her life. She

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Speaker 7: tore into her assailant and out of shape man with

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Speaker 7: all the strengths she could muster. She even bit my

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Speaker 4: Joel said, how do you feel, count, I'm a little

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Speaker 4: in shock, actually, I'm just a little bit in All

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Speaker 1: To, you know, set herself free.

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Speaker 2: Been an amazingly strong woman, not just physically but emotionally.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, nothing living, nothing living, should die like that.

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Speaker 2: The three of us contemplate what we've just heard as

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Speaker 1: Do we go from here. We know that when the.

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Speaker 2: Book From the Mouth of a Monster was published in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and one, Susie's torso is still missing. But

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Speaker 2: it's been over twenty years since this book was written.

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Speaker 1: And we're wondering was she ever found.

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Speaker 2: We put in a freedom of information request to Hope

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Speaker 2: Well Police department, who handled the criminal investigation into Susie's murder,

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Speaker 2: and luckily, unlike our usual track record, we don't need

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Speaker 1: To talk me through it.

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Speaker 6: so hearing it might be difficult.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, Mindy's not wrong. It was difficult to hear.

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Speaker 2: So I'll cut to the chase. We told you before

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Speaker 2: that Susie's torso was never found, but some of her

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Speaker 2: other remains were. In March of nineteen eighty nine, Susie's

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Speaker 2: head was discovered on a golf course in Hope Will Township,

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Speaker 2: sixty five miles away. Nobody could understand such a senseless killing,

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Speaker 1: Nobody could figure out who Susie was.

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Speaker 2: But in these documents we see the great lens the

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Speaker 2: police went to and trying to identify her. They did

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Speaker 2: nationwide requests asking for information on any missing person that

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Speaker 2: would fit the description of the murdered woman. They put

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Speaker 2: out flyers, held press conferences, They did canine searches, had

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Speaker 1: Of the golf course where her head was found.

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Speaker 2: The police spoke to the FBI about building a psychological

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Speaker 2: profile of the killer. They conducted interviews with parents of

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Speaker 2: or sisters. After this initial flurry of activity, the case

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Speaker 2: went cold. But then in two thousand one From the

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Speaker 2: Mouth of a Monster came out and in the book,

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Speaker 2: Riskin admits to killing a woman he knew is Susie.

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Speaker 2: He then admits to dumping her head on a golf

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Speaker 2: course and her legs in a wooded area. It was

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Speaker 2: clear he was talking about the same case the Hopewell

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Speaker 2: cops have been investigating for twelve years, but when they

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Speaker 2: put the name Susie or Susan into the missing person's databases,

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Speaker 1: Another dead end until she.

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Speaker 9: Looks at it and she says, Yeah, I think you're right.

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Speaker 3: I think that's your girl.

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Speaker 6: Across the US.

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Speaker 3: Him Anina, I'm.

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Speaker 6: In northern California.

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Speaker 3: I'm actually talking to you from Mammouth County, New Jersey.

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Speaker 2: I grew up across the river okay, hi mindy speaking

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Speaker 2: to Captain Stephen Orbanski, who in twenty thirteen was Detective Orbanski.

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Speaker 2: Back then he was working in the missing persons unit,

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Speaker 2: and he was the guy you called when you wanted

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Speaker 9: I was called by two detectors from Hopewell Township Police Department.

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Speaker 9: They called me for some advice and they want to

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Speaker 9: get my personal opinion on what we can do more

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Speaker 2: The Hopewell cops pass on all of their case files

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Speaker 2: to Urbanski, but the thing that stands out the most

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Speaker 2: is the book where Riskin describes the first time he

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Speaker 9: He said that he could only remember her name as Susie,

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Speaker 9: but he didn't have a last name. He didn't know

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: The first thing you do in trying to identify someone

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Speaker 2: But when nothing turned up, Urbanski suggested trying something else,

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Speaker 2: looking at arrest records of New York sex workers from

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Speaker 9: And we pulled all the girls that were named Susan.

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Speaker 9: There was one that I was able to look at.

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Speaker 9: It was a girl by the name of Susan Spencer.

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Speaker 9: That's kind of something that stuck out to me. We

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Speaker 9: also noticed after her last arrest, she kind of went

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Speaker 2: Urbanski was able to obtain an arrest photo of Susan Spencer.

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Speaker 2: In it, he sees a pale woman with long, light

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Speaker 2: But other than the photo, Urbanski struggled to find any

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Speaker 9: We couldn't find any reports on Susan being missing. I

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Speaker 9: think I went home that night after a long, long

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Speaker 9: you know, eating dinner, and right away open up my

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Speaker 2: Her name is Heidi Bulch. The missing person's report for

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Speaker 9: She kind of talked her up, saying that she was

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Speaker 3: There was a one hundred percent match. It was definitely Heidi.

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Speaker 2: Finally, twenty four years after Heidi's murder, her case was solved.

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Speaker 2: Joe Rifkin killed his first victim in March of nineteen

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Speaker 1: And why does all this matter to us?

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Speaker 2: Well, because we know that our lost sister's torso was

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Speaker 7: In nineteen eighty nine, we knew that a torso had

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Speaker 1: Way to play a cool detective Shapiro.

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Speaker 7: And the remains were basically buried on Hart Island. So

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Speaker 9: There's a lot of questions because there's so many bodies there.

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Speaker 1: We can't deny that he's right. At this point.

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Speaker 9: If my sister, my mother, or somebody my wife went missing,

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Speaker 3: Soul into it.

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Speaker 9: So do your job basically, and do it with compassion,

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Speaker 6: That's so beautiful.

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Speaker 7: You know, the team here and my girlfriend Carol, they

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Speaker 2: After all, I knew you'd come around eventually, Mindy, despite

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Speaker 2: But we need absolute, undeniable proof. More than that, we

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Speaker 5: Dear Anne, I'm sorry to email you about this so

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Speaker 5: out of the blue, but I've been searching for you

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Speaker 2: It's funny I remember getting one of these emails from

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Speaker 2: Anna myself before this crazy journey started. In the email,

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Speaker 2: Anna tells Anne all about our investigation, that we think

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Speaker 5: I come with absolutely no judgment of the way she

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Speaker 2: Anna sends off the email, and we hope and pray

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Speaker 1: For now, we wait.

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Speaker 2: This whole journey has been one crazy ride.

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Speaker 1: We'd been to the medical Examiner.

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Speaker 8: We have like case number les.

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Speaker 6: Yes, the Emmy case number is eighty nine five six.

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Speaker 2: We trilled the archives at New York's biggest public library.

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Speaker 7: And I'd like all information that I can find about

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Speaker 2: We spoke to pri investigators, criminal profilers, DNA experts. We

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Speaker 1: The city and beyond looking for leads.

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Speaker 2: Hundreds and hundreds of hours have gone into this investigation,

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Speaker 1: And now it all comes down to this one last

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Speaker 6: Hello, Hi, is this Anne?

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