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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number three

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Speaker 1: and eighty six, and today the show, I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: Aaron Warburton's and Greg Clements from the Hunting Public to

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Speaker 1: talk about hunting the white tail rut on public land

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Speaker 1: or heavily pressured properties. All right, welcome to the Wired

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by on X. Today we're

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Speaker 1: talking to rut. All right, it's that time of year

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Speaker 1: and we've got a great line up for it with

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Speaker 1: Greg Clemens and Aaron Warburton from the Hunting Public. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: you guys are watching their stuff. It's great. Uh. They

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Speaker 1: have been able to kill a lot of great deer

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Speaker 1: public land all across the country, and they're doing it

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Speaker 1: in some really interesting and in aggressive ways. So today

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Speaker 1: we dive into all of those different strategies they're using

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Speaker 1: the things they've learned, um, basically every different thing you

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Speaker 1: could possibly want to know about chasing deer in places

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Speaker 1: where other people are chasing them too. That's what we're

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Speaker 1: gonna learn about so highly recommend this. Now that said,

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Speaker 1: we kind of have a two part episode here because

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Speaker 1: we also have an introduction conversation with myself and the

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Speaker 1: nine Fingered Wonder Dan Johnson. We had to catch up

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Speaker 1: on our hunts. So if you are a longtime listener

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Speaker 1: and you care about what I'm doing in the woods

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Speaker 1: or what Dan's doing in the woods, tune into that one.

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Speaker 1: And that's something like the first forty or forty five minutes, um.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to hear about how my personal

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Speaker 1: run hunts have been going, I've been hunting I think

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Speaker 1: fifteen or as of now, fifteen of the last seventeen days,

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Speaker 1: I believe. So you'll hear about my public land hunt

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Speaker 1: in Ohio, and you're gonna hear about the first seven

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Speaker 1: eight nine days or so of my hunt for Tran

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Speaker 1: my number one buck in Michigan. Um, it's been an

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Speaker 1: up and down roller coaster ride. Uh So, if you

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Speaker 1: want to hear about that, including a little something that

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Speaker 1: I borrowed from the Hunting Public play playbook, you should

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Speaker 1: tune into that part. But if you don't care about

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Speaker 1: that and you just want to get to Aaron and Greg,

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Speaker 1: fast forward about forty five minutes, we'll get into that

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Speaker 1: conversation and then there'll be another, jeez, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: hour and forty five minutes of straight strategy talk. So

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Speaker 1: we got a real banger of an episode. I should

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Speaker 1: stop talking to so you get get into it. But

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Speaker 1: I will tell you here in the beginning. I hope

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Speaker 1: you're having a blast out there in the woods. I

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Speaker 1: hope you are putting everything we've been talking to into action,

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Speaker 1: executing on these ideas and chasing that dream that November is.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you're enjoying it. I know that I sometimes

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Speaker 1: get hung up on the success quote unquote and whether

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Speaker 1: or not I'm achieving my goal, and it takes away

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Speaker 1: the fun on occasion, and I've been guilty of this.

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Speaker 1: I'm falling prey to it a little bit this year.

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Speaker 1: Try not to do that. Try to learn from my

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Speaker 1: mistakes and getting two worked up and stressed about these things,

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Speaker 1: and and just enjoy each day for what it is,

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Speaker 1: because that's why we're hunting, right. If you can't be

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Speaker 1: out there enjoying it, enjoying the the nature around you

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Speaker 1: and the process and the chase itself, then what the

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Speaker 1: heck are you doing? Phil The freezer, yeah, kill some bucks, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but enjoy everything that gets you there in the first place.

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Speaker 1: So that's it for me today. Good luck, and here

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Speaker 1: is my conversation with Dan, and then after that Aaron

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Speaker 1: and Greg enjoy and now I've got the one and

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Speaker 1: only Dan Johnson with us. Uh. I'm glad we're finally

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Speaker 1: going to do this. I've wanted to have you on

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Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks and our schedules are just

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Speaker 1: a mess lately, but we got a lot we have

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Speaker 1: have been pretty busy over the last couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So I think I told you. I know

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Speaker 1: I told you this when I was in Michigan, but

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Speaker 1: point so I can disappear for two weeks type of deal,

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Speaker 1: thank goodness, just in the nick of time. Just in

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Speaker 1: the nick of time, that's a fact. Well, I'm glad

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Speaker 1: to hear that you. You've managed to get out hunting

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Speaker 1: I remember the days not that long ago, a few

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Speaker 1: I mean when it comes to Iowa, it's almost like

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Speaker 1: I need to plan, you know, how I plan the

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Speaker 1: get into the timber close by, just say okay, three days,

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Speaker 1: it's almost easier for me to disappear. And even if

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Speaker 1: like it's I of course I love getting home to

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Speaker 1: kind of if you can, just like you said, just

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Speaker 1: thirty percent there, it's almost worse. Sometimes it seems like, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, I'm just gonna preface our conversation

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Speaker 1: today by saying that I might say things that don't

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Speaker 1: might completely forget what we're talking about because I'm just drained. Man,

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Speaker 1: I am drained. Um. So I'll explain more about that momentarily.

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Speaker 1: But already I can't even find the worst Alrightish, could

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Speaker 1: you do that for me? Um? I've hunted thirteen in

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Speaker 1: first we gotta rewind, because we haven't got to talk

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Speaker 1: I'll send everyone to your show to the Nine Finger

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Speaker 1: Chronicles for the full scoop. We covered it in detail.

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Speaker 1: We talked a lot about your thoughts and what you

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Speaker 1: was a good conversation. But can you give us, like

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Speaker 1: for the folks that haven't heard that conversation yet, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: malamer No, I didn't. Did I see a slammer? Nope?

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Speaker 1: Did I see one Spike Buck? Yep? Did he come

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Speaker 1: pretty much how Michigan went for me. Yeah, so you

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Speaker 1: I tell you what, man Um, I know now and

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Speaker 1: honest with you, fun, Um, I love doing that tiptoe

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Speaker 1: Like like we talked about the other day, we we've

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Speaker 1: When compared to Michigan, the does weren't even in the

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Speaker 1: they're looking up, looking up all around. I'm never hunting

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Speaker 1: don't do that? So many times I thought that it's

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Speaker 1: the mornings, and no, none of them blew. And in

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Speaker 1: And they'll blow at you and blow at you. And

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Speaker 1: if you blow, you're giving away your position and you're

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Speaker 1: gonna die. So they like certain deer don't do that anymore, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: At the same time, though, I've certainly had deer in

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Speaker 1: How many hunts have you had in Iowa this past

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Speaker 1: It's until I get the call. Yeah, it's until my

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Speaker 1: probably cutting through the property to get to a different

429
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: piece anyway, No Narlie Charlie. So that just straight up

430
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: means that it is. It's really anything that makes my

431
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: heart jump at this point. Um, I do have a

432
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: couple of deer that uh. When I checked my cards

433
00:24:55,080 --> 00:25:00,160
Speaker 1: in September, I got a couple deer that are that there.

434
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: I passed a beautiful three year old last year. He's

435
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: back as a probably close to one seventy four year old. Uh.

436
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,360
Speaker 1: I would love to have an encounter with him at

437
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 1: some point. Who knows, and uh, other than that, let

438
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: the cards tell me when I check them or any deer.

439
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: That kind of gets me excited to be honest with you. Ah, man,

440
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: you've got some bucks. Dude, you've got some bucks. But

441
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: I will say this, I am going to fill the freezer.

442
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: I bought an extra dough tag this year. So if

443
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people don't like to shoot

444
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: does during November. But I think, Man, with my my

445
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: freezer and the way I like to eat venison being empty,

446
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna lay down some meat too. Yeah,

447
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: if you got the empty freezer problem, you gotta do that.

448
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: So what's the game plan as far as that though? Like,

449
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: are you going to shoot? Like? What dough are you

450
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: going to shoot? Are you honestly going to shoot a

451
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 1: random dough in the middle of a hunt while you're hunting?

452
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: Are you gonna wait until you You know how this works? Right?

453
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: This is how it works. I say I'm gonna do something,

454
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fill my freezer. But then, oh, I can't

455
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: shoot that because it knows if she's hot, what's behind her?

456
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: Why is she looking behind her? What's going on? Yeah?

457
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: So I might just shoot a couple of button bucks.

458
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, Well, you do whatever you

459
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: gotta do. I know, so shoot or maybe your real

460
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: young dough who probably isn't gonna breed this year. Who knows,

461
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: who knows it's all gonna be? You know, I say

462
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: all these things, but every year I shoot from the hip.

463
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: And that's the only thing that I can say. I

464
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: know I'm going to do is shoot from the hip.

465
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: You know what that sounds about, right, Dan? If there's

466
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: anything consistent about you, it's that you're going to shoot

467
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:55,719
Speaker 1: from the hip. No playing. I love it. I love it. Um,

468
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 1: I'm jackman, I'm freaking jack The warm weather though it's

469
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: gonna kind of throw throw me for a loop. But yeah,

470
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: that is a bummer coming up here. Huh Yeah. But

471
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 1: they're still gonna breed, man, So you still got a hunt? Well,

472
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Ever, since two thousand fifteen, I

473
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: think it was I last time I drew my Iowa teg.

474
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: I hunted in Iowa and a warm spell came through.

475
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 1: I was hunting for a few days, was on some deer,

476
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: and then I saw like two days of like hot weather,

477
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: like seventies or something. I thought it's gonna be lousy.

478
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go back to Michigan for a couple

479
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: of days and get some browning points and do some stuff.

480
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: Then I'll come back when the weather cools down again. Well,

481
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: those two days when I was gone, three of my

482
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: friends all killed big bucks in Iowa on the hot days,

483
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: And that was just like the reminder that it's the rut.

484
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: Anything's possible. Who cares about the weather, don't miss it. Yeah.

485
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, biggest buck, I've the biggest eight point deer

486
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: I've ever had an encounter with. Came through on the

487
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: hottest day on November four, like a handful of years ago.

488
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: There's a giant, mature, big, gorgeous eight pointer. Uh and uh.

489
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: That was one of those encounters where it's like, hey man,

490
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: it's you're not you're not supposed to be moving right now, right,

491
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: it's seventy five degrees outside. Why are you moving? You're

492
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: not supposed to because I read that somewhere right. So

493
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: don't let anybody who doesn't hunt your property tell you

494
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: how to hunt. Just go hunt. Yeah, man, there's there's

495
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: nothing more important than those uh, those hormones, the cestosterone, estrogen,

496
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: those deer. They don't care if it's hot, cold, whatever.

497
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: They want to breed. So and there's one more big

498
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: thing that's going down on was it? Let's see Thursday?

499
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: What's up? I turned forty? Whoa forty fucking forty mark whoa? Yeah,

500
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if I need to bring oxygen into

501
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: the stage with me. Got a life shurance policy? You

502
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: take a walker in there with you. Holy smokes, we're

503
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: nectually have wheelchair accessible tree stands for your next year.

504
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be that guy. You know. I shouldn't even

505
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: make it a joke, but you know those tree stands

506
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: that have the automatic lift up into the air. Yeah,

507
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: that's that's you pretty soon. Man. Well happy birthday. Yeah,

508
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: that's that's crazy. Time's flown. You don't look a day over.

509
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. Don't say it. Don't say it because

510
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: I'll come back at you with the Rookie of the Year.

511
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,239
Speaker 1: I know I named a Buck rookie of the year.

512
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: By the way, yeah this year kind of there's a

513
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: buck that's just a stud. I think it's a two

514
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: year old. Um. And when I say stud, a stud

515
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: for Michigan is a two year old. And I'm like, man,

516
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: he's like, he's the he's the best New Year I've

517
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: seen around here. And I was like, I'll call Rookie

518
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: of the year. Is a dashing baby face. Um he's

519
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: he's ten point I don't know, I mean maybe one

520
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: twenty or somewhere like that something Maybe I was, I

521
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: don't know. Um from sugar, that's a day and good

522
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: two year old. Um. So if he can make it

523
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: through the Orange the Orange Army, he'll be a stud

524
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: in a couple of years. So well, you're in a

525
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: place that consistently gets deer, you know, a handful of

526
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: deer to an older age classman. Yep, every year one

527
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: or two of them make it through. So hopefully that stays.

528
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: Hopefully it stays that way. I do have a question

529
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, okay, So you were bouncing around on

530
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: some property recently and I was following you on an

531
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: Instagram you're one of your Instagram stories, And did you

532
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: honestly set up ten yards or fifteen or twenty yards

533
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: away from another hunter without knowing it? Okay, so I

534
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: gotta hear this. I totally forgot about that one. Um. Okay,

535
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: so you're just about to start your rutcation and I'm

536
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: almost done with mine, um, because like I mentioned, I've

537
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: got to start hunting on the back forty on November seven,

538
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: So all of my hunts for Tran in the rut

539
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: had to precede that. UM. So from the and on

540
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: I've been hunting and uh basically and this is this

541
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: will lead me to the story just asked about. Basically,

542
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: my game plan was for the early part of that period,

543
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: I was going to circle around the outside edges of

544
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: his core areas and betting areas they spend the most

545
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: time in historically, and um, based on what the wind

546
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: would let me do, get in between food and his betting,

547
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: and then just kind of rotate around these core spots.

548
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: And with some new access I got recently, I'm able

549
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: to hunt a little more of these areas than I

550
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: used to. So I was pretty excited about that. UM.

551
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: But you know, basically, the first handful days saw a

552
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: lot of activities, saw young bucks, but didn't see Tran.

553
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: I caught a little brief glimpse at him one night,

554
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: made a move in there after him the next day,

555
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: didn't see him. Um. But eventually I got this wind

556
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: to hunt um right in between a just cut cornfield

557
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: and his like best betting air, the spot that I

558
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: just knew he was in there, but I hadn't been

559
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: able to hunt there because of wind. So finally got

560
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: the wind I needed, UM like four days in or

561
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: five days into this period of time where I've been

562
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: rotating around and seeing plenty but not seeing him yet,

563
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: And so I was really excited to get to this

564
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: spot because I knew like that was the number one

565
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: food source right now. Because what what I should bring

566
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: up is that my the main farm that I hunt

567
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: the most in this area UM got discd under. All

568
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: the crowd fields got disked under this year. So for

569
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: the first time like a decade, there's there's zero food

570
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: on the main farm. So what's usually you know, I

571
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: don't know, sixty acres of beans or corn is now dirt.

572
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: So that really changes how dear use this entire area.

573
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: So it's it's really thrown me for a loop. As

574
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,959
Speaker 1: far as deer patterns, everything is different. So everything from

575
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: all my previous years is different now. So because of this,

576
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: this one cut corn field that I could hunt close

577
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: to was the was the major drawing now since there

578
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: was nothing else in this zone, I could finally hunt it,

579
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: and it was cold and rainy, so I slipped in,

580
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: sneaking my way in. It's raining, and there's just sign everywhere,

581
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: the most fresh scrapes I've seen anywhere around this property,

582
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: the biggest rubs I've seen anywhere in the property this year.

583
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is it. This is where he's been

584
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: coming into. No one's been hunting up here, this is

585
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: I was excited. I thought I'm gonna kill him. So

586
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: I slipped in there. It really took my time thinking

587
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: about finding the right tree where I could hunt and

588
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: you know, have my wind just safe enough, but also

589
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: be in a position where i'd be like get a

590
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: shot still being close to the edge of the cover. Uh.

591
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: Fast forward at an hour into the sit and the

592
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: wind starts shifting a little bit, and the wind dies

593
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 1: down and then starts kind of you know that feeling

594
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: where it's you throw your milk weed or something and

595
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: like don't don't go any more of that direction. Then

596
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: five minutes later you're throw the milk wid again, like

597
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 1: oh no, please, no, please know And then a little

598
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: bit later it's it's like right, it's it's gonna go

599
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: right to the edge of that bedding. And I'm sitting

600
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 1: there bouncing back and forth my mind. I'm thinking, man,

601
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: this is the spot of spots. But if I'm blowing

602
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: my wind into the bedding year, what's the point of

603
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: being the spot of spots. So I sat there for

604
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes, like going back and forth, back

605
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: and forth, and finally decided, you know what, I had

606
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: to pull a plug. I'm not gonna blow this thing

607
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: out so early when I know it's a great set

608
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: up and there's no one else in here messing things up.

609
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: I didn't think. And then just as I'm thinking I'm

610
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: gonna do it, I'm gonna pull down and get out

611
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: of here before I do too much damage, I hear

612
00:34:55,120 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: cople and about jump onto my socks. And I knew

613
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: that sound right away. It was a crossbow. And I'm

614
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: thinking that was like right next to me. Someone just

615
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: shot a crossbow right next to me. And I spin

616
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: around and I look and and I'm hunting about forty

617
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: fifty yards off of that cut corn field inside the

618
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: timber towards that betting yards talking about. But that cornfield

619
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: is another neighbor's property, and there was a guy hunting

620
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: that property right on the edge, and he basically shot

621
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: a deer that was right on the edge there, forty

622
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: yards from me. And I had no idea he was

623
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: in there, because it had been pouring rain, and so

624
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: he must have slipped in from the other side in

625
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: the rain, and I had been set up looking the

626
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: opposite way the whole time. I never heard him. He

627
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: climbed up in his ladder stand he never knew I

628
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: was there, and uh, and that was that. So the

629
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: wind had shifted, he shot a deer. Deer go running

630
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: all over the place. And then I'm sitting there and

631
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: realizing with this guy, and and just I know the guy.

632
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: He he doesn't worry about wind or send control or

633
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: anything like that. Um, so I'm thinking, Okay, he's certainly

634
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: not going anywhere. He's gonna sit here blow into here

635
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: the whole night. So rather than me walk out of

636
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: here and create more damage and blow my wind in

637
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: somewhere else, I guess this is a sunk cost. So

638
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: I waited it out. And it was a bad night,

639
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: dear blowing a few other deer. I almost filmed him

640
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: shoot another deer, but I see this still walking out

641
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: to the field, like, oh no, you're in trouble. Be careful,

642
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: be careful, and uh, you know, she got smart and

643
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: turned around. But but that was it was a it

644
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 1: was kind of That's kind of just been the story

645
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: of this year. I'm having a year. I'm having a

646
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: year Dan where it just seems like if it can

647
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: go wrong, it is going wrong. I mean that whole

648
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: Idaho public land trip people have her heard me lament

649
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: about that had a lot of stuff go wrong on

650
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: that hunt. My Ohio public land hunt was just like

651
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: people people, tree stands, tree stands, walking around trying to

652
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: find somewhere and now here. You that happened when I

653
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: thought I was in the spot of spots, and then

654
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: um I pulled out of there, and so all right,

655
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: we're just gonna keep grinding at it. And then we

656
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: had three other notable things that have happened since that.

657
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: Damn uh. So I kept circling around these core areas,

658
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: hitting what I can with a wind and kind of

659
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: progressively tightening and tightening, getting a little bit further in,

660
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: a little bit further in. So if you can envision

661
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: a couple of these core betting areas and like a

662
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: target around them, and each time I'm rotating around the

663
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: target based on wind, but then also getting a little

664
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: bit deeper into the core, a little bit deeper into

665
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: the core. And every day I've been doing that, except

666
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: adjusting off of sightings or different things like that. So

667
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: the three most exciting things that have happened started on

668
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: the October. I got set up, moved in really tight

669
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 1: to one of the betting areas that I think he uses,

670
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: and got set up in the place I've never hunted before,

671
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: right on the edge. And I'm not set up for

672
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: I don't know an hour. When I catch something way

673
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: off across the way, I can kind of see through

674
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: this open timber to another brushy spot. And in this

675
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: other brushy spot, I see Tran and I see him

676
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: with a dough and he's like on like locked on

677
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: the dough, you know that look when they're not chasing,

678
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: they're not like he's with that dough. She kind of

679
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: takes a few steps, he steps up behind her like

680
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: he's locked on a dough, and they're walking away towards

681
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: the crop field, the opposite direction from Matt. So in

682
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: this moment, I rose, Okay, there's there's an hour and

683
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: a half a daylight left. They're going the other direction,

684
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: and I know where that dough goes going. There's no

685
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: food behind me. The only place she's gonna go is

686
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: out in that direction. So I think to myself, there's

687
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: a decent bit of wind right now, I'm gonna go

688
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: get that buck. I'm not gonna sit here and dick around.

689
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get that damn dear. I'm sick of dicking around.

690
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: I'm sick of hunting this deer for three years. Now.

691
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: I want to kill this thing. I'm gonna make something happen.

692
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: So I've never done this before, but I got out

693
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 1: of my tree stand and stalk these deer down on foot,

694
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: and I followed them out to this area, and then

695
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: I kind of I knew where they're going, and so

696
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: I was able to try to cut them off. But

697
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: just before I was able to kind of get to

698
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: the point where I thought I could cut them off,

699
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: the wind died down and I couldn't see them anymore.

700
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: But I knew there were somewhere up near the edge

701
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: of this crop field, and I was, if you, if

702
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: we're imagined direct there north of me somewhere, and I

703
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: figured about two d yards hundred fifty yards north of me, somewhere,

704
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: and then we've got crop fields. To my west. There's

705
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: a crop field, then there's one of these dirt fields,

706
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: and then there's one of my little food plots that

707
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: I have on one of these properties. And I think

708
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: to myself, Okay, there's no way I can get any

709
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: closer now, because the wind completely died down. We're down

710
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: to the last half hour or something of daylight, and

711
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: it's it's still I'm in really crunchy grass and I

712
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 1: can't move much. So at this point I realized, probably

713
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: my best bet is I'm not going to beat into

714
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: the crop field. But I have seen on some of

715
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: these other hunts I've done earlier in the week, many

716
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: of the deer. This surprised me. Many of the doughs

717
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: that I saw go out to one of this corn field.

718
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: They would feed in the corn field for a while

719
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: and then they would drop south walk across the dirt

720
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: field all the way to my little green food plot.

721
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: And every night this is happening, a good number of

722
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: doughs will leave the corn, go across the dirt and

723
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 1: come down to my food plot. So I thought, maybe

724
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: she'll do the same thing. Maybe she'll come out to

725
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: the corn. He'll follower to the corn, and then after

726
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: fiddling around for fifteen minutes, she'll walk down the edge

727
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: and come to the food plot. If she does that,

728
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: I could intercept that. I could slip down towards the

729
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: edge of the dirt field and the food plot, and

730
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: there's a spot there's a creek that runs through there,

731
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: and almost every time anything comes by, they crossed in

732
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: this one section. So I was able to creep a

733
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: little bit further that direction so that I could be

734
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: within shooting range of that creek crossing, which would I

735
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: don't know it was. I was like fifty yards inside

736
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: off of the food plot into the cover where this

737
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: crossing is, and and I got set up, and lo

738
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: and behold, not soon after getting set up, here pops

739
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 1: out a doe over the hill into the dirt field

740
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: and tran right behind her, and they start coming my way.

741
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: And now it's like ten minutes left a daylight, and

742
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: I'm in position. I'm thinking, Man, if she comes here

743
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: to the corner just like they do, I'm gonna get

744
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: a shot. And so I'm I'm all getting into position,

745
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: and I really can't move anymore, and they're getting closer

746
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: and closer, and that's five minutes left and they're at

747
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: like ninety yards. Now there's like three minutes left and

748
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: there's seventy yards and they came all the way in,

749
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: but instead of coming to my corner, they they stayed

750
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: out in the dirt field and crossed into the food plot,

751
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: maybe sixty seventy yards out away for me and and

752
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: after shooting light anyways, UM, so really intense, exciting hunt,

753
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: but didn't come together. But it's awesome to see him

754
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: and awesome that I kind of kind of worked sort of, um,

755
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: at least partially. Um, but did you make that move

756
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: for a reason. That doesn't sound like something that you

757
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: would normally do. Yeah, I would not normally do that,

758
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: except right when I when there's a buck locked on

759
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: a doll like that. From my experience, there's there's nothing

760
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: that's going to pull him away. I've tried over the

761
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: years trying to grunt at these deer. I've tried to

762
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: do things like that, and that's not going to pull

763
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: away like that buck is on that dough. And it

764
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: wasn't like he was chasing the dough. They weren't chasing.

765
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: She was like with him. So it wasn't like they're

766
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: going to run all over the place. It was like

767
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: she was walking a few steps, he was right behind her.

768
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: They stand there for a few minutes. She'd walk a

769
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: few steps, He'd stand there for a few minutes. So

770
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: I knew. I've seen this happen so many times. I've

771
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: seen this happen in past years, Like when I was

772
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: hunting that buck, Frank, this is what happened. He had

773
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: a buck, he had a doll lockdown, and I knew

774
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: they stayed in the same area for three days. They

775
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: would just he would just follow around like a zombie.

776
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: And so in this case, I knew that trans the

777
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: zombie buck was gonna walk to this corn. I knew

778
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: that's where that dough was gonna go, because that's where

779
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: all these deer go to right now. Um, And there

780
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: was no way that I was going to get a shot.

781
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: And he's the only deer I want to kill. So

782
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: I could either sit four yards away while the only

783
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: deer I want to kill is go in the other direction.

784
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: I could sit there for three hours and twiddle my films,

785
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: or I could go do something about it. And that's

786
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: kind of where I'm at. Um, there's No, there were

787
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: a couple other Bucks on camera earlier in the year

788
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: that I'd like that I would shoot if they gave

789
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: me opportunity, But nothing's been showing up at all. So

790
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: there's there's tran or bust and I only have a

791
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: handful of days to try to get him killed before

792
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: I got to take off, And um, I don't know.

793
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: I'm just getting to the point now where uh, I

794
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not gonna sit around and wait anymore.

795
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm trying. I gotta try and make something happen. You

796
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: have to, Yeah, I mean that's it kind of sucks

797
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 1: to be honest with you that you got this target buck.

798
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: It's a it's a a class buck for Michigan, and

799
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: you have other quote unquote priorities that are gonna pull

800
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: you away from this in Yeah, And I'm not complaining

801
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: about the upcoming hunting the back for It's gonna be awesome.

802
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun. I'm excited about it. But as

803
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: far as trying to kill like my target buck, it

804
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: definitely h throws a throws a wrench into it. So

805
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: the whole spotting stock thing happens doesn't quite come together.

806
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: But I know that he's on that doll, and they're

807
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: gonna be here again tomorrow, at least from my experience

808
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: when I've seen a buck lock down a doll in

809
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: this area, he's just gonna hang close. So the next

810
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: day I slipped into the same general area, got in

811
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: there to where I thought the wind would be. Okay,

812
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: did a big circle around. This is very similar to

813
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: how I was hunting Frank three years ago. Like he

814
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: had he was in there, locked around with the dough.

815
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: I would circle around trying to get in front of him,

816
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 1: expecting him to come back into one of these betting areas.

817
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: And I did that on this hunt, and they basically

818
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: did what I thought, but instead of coming in where

819
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: I was, they came in several hundred yards ahead of me,

820
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 1: or farther to the north of me. So I saw

821
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: him with the dough again, and they slip into some

822
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: bedding cover to my north and then disappear. And then

823
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: about ten am I catch a glimpse of him again

824
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: into a little further in the cover. So now they're

825
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 1: up in this corn field area. That's where they came

826
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: in from something. And okay, they're on the northern section.

827
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm betting she's gonna come back out into that corn.

828
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: So I pulled out midday, did a big circle up

829
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: to the northern section of these properties, got up in there,

830
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: got set up and had a whole plan in place

831
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,479
Speaker 1: where I thought, Man, they're gonna do one or two things.

832
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: They're in this betting pocket. I saw him about ten am. Um.

833
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: I was set up. If they came the north route

834
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: to get to the fields, which they've done the night before. Uh,

835
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: but I also had like a raised um like berm

836
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: that was running a little ways away from me, about

837
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: fifty sixty yards away from me, And if they came

838
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: out on the other side of that, which is the

839
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: other thing I thought was possible. I decided, you know what,

840
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 1: if they come out there and if they're just mosey

841
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: mosey in like they have been, Um, I'm gonna get

842
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: out of the tree and do the same damn thing.

843
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get down there. And it was windy, I'll

844
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: sneak up to the edge of the burm and get

845
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: a shot when they come down at the point. I

846
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: had this whole plan in place, and they didn't show

847
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: up that night. So that was day two of interest.

848
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: Now fast forward two days later. I hunt the next

849
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: day and don't have any encounters with him. Um. I

850
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: decided that I had a specific wind direction that would

851
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: allow me to hunt what I call the belly of

852
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: the beast. This is a spot that I have not

853
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: been able to hunt in the past, but now I can.

854
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 1: It's kind of the primo, one of the primo betting spots.

855
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 1: And there's a tree in the middle of this sect

856
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: shin that I've always looked at, and I've seen more

857
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: deer passed by this tree, more bucks passed by this

858
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: tree than any other. But it just seems impossible to hunt.

859
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: I just don't know how you hunt it without deer

860
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: winding you. But I thought, okay, I'm down only four

861
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: days left before I have to go, and it's our

862
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: last cold day before this warm spill hits. And with

863
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: this wind I have today, this is today as we speak.

864
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: This happened today. Um. With this wind direction I have,

865
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: it will blow right along a creek. If I sit

866
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 1: in this tree, right on the edge of the creek,

867
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: I could blow my wind if it. If it goes

868
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: the way it's supposed to be forecasting, it'll blow almost

869
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 1: right down the creek and that's probably my best option.

870
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: That deer could still win me, but it's it's the

871
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: least of all the dangers. So today I woke up

872
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: at three thirty. I got in there two and a

873
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: half hours before daylight. I hung a set up in

874
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 1: this tree, got all set up. I'm in the middle

875
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: of it. I'm shooting my shop basically was the plant like,

876
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: I'm this was it. I'm swinging for the fence. This

877
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: is my home run. Sit going into the middle of it,

878
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: and it's it's either gonna kill him or I'm gonna

879
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: blow everything out of it. And daylight starting to crack,

880
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: and I hear and Tran is walking right to the

881
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: bottom of my tree to dam and he comes in

882
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: at ten yards ten minutes before shooting light and he

883
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: walks ten yards, perfect shot and then comes all the

884
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: way down to the down wind side and bust me

885
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: and blows. Yeah, if you had come ten minutes later,

886
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: I would have smoked him at ten yards and it's

887
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: just too early to shoot. Yeah, I can't shoot, so yeah,

888
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: I mean it was devastating. It worked perfect. I done

889
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: everything right, my bucks there and I can't shoot him

890
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: and then he goes was down when blows out, bounds off,

891
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: blows once and then kind of jobs off to the direction.

892
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: But here's where it gets crazy. I'm bummed out, but

893
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, well, there it is. He's not coming back

894
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: through here again. And then it now it's daylight, daylight,

895
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 1: and I look up and I see him again. He's

896
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: now a couple hundred yards away with a dough. Over

897
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: the next hour and a half, all chaos broke loose

898
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: around me. There was a hot dough and he was

899
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: chasing that dough all around, fighting off other bucks, and

900
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: multiple times looked like he was gonna come back within range.

901
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,439
Speaker 1: A dough came squirting towards me, and he was coming

902
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: on a bee line right to me with that dough

903
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: was coming right to me with tran right behind her.

904
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: I was clipped on, ready to draw back. He was

905
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 1: at seventy coming in towards sixty. And then she squirted

906
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: away and went the other way. And they happened several times,

907
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: and then finally they disappeared. So you had two encounters

908
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: with him in the same day. But that that dough

909
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: led him away. That did a doe come through the

910
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: first time, or was it him by himself? He was

911
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: by himself the first thing, first thing in the morning,

912
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 1: he was by himself, cruising, and then then he was

913
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: chasing Does after that, and and so that was the

914
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: second time I saw him. So he's chasing Does, chasing Does.

915
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna happen again, But then doesn't

916
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: They disappear on the timber. Now like two hours later,

917
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: I catched sight of him again on the complete opposite

918
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: side of me, cruising through this other section timber. It's like, Okay,

919
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm back in the game. Maybe this could happen again.

920
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: He's cruising, then disappeared, and then nothing. And then around

921
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock, I see another deer crossing the creek, and

922
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 1: the creek is where my winds blowing, and I see antlers,

923
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: and I spin looked down there and at a hundred

924
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: ninety yards, he's right in the creek staring at me,

925
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: right in my wind for the second time that day.

926
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: And he stood there for at least a minute, just

927
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 1: staring a hole in me. And I can't tell you

928
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: how big his neck is, Dan, his neck is like

929
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: an oak trunk. I mean, it was monstrous. I just

930
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: I just looked at him and we just stared at

931
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: each other for a minute, and I'm thinking two things

932
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: like he's monstrous and he has me pegged so bad,

933
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: and and he just stared, stared and stared and stared

934
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: and then finally jogged off. That was it. That was

935
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: my day. Dang. Yeah, like close, man, that's that's but

936
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: that's bow hunting in a nutshell. Yeah, yeah it is.

937
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes you get him, sometimes you don't. Man, that's the truth,

938
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: is the truth. I'm yeah, today was yeah, I don't know. Um,

939
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: I've hit a wall a little bit as far as exhaustion,

940
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: and then just kind of disheartened with this whole thing.

941
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: Like I I swung for the fences and I did

942
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: my thing and and just did not come together. And

943
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: now I kind of feel I don't know what to

944
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: do now. Um, I kind of blew that spot, and

945
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: so I guess I'm just gonna keep on keep it

946
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: on for these last couple of days. But I'm a

947
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: little bit, uh, a little bit at a loss. I

948
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, well you know just as well as

949
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: I do. It takes one hot dough. Yeah, yes, that's true, dude,

950
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 1: one hot dough. It's all all you need. And dude,

951
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: I've been there before. I've killed a deer with ship

952
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: my dear last year, hot dough right in front of

953
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,959
Speaker 1: me but came in shot. Yeah, I feel like that's

954
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: kind of what I have to do now, is just

955
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,280
Speaker 1: trying to be in the zone, be in the area

956
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: of interest and and hope for the right dough to

957
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: come through because I've I've kind of tried my tricks,

958
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: and I've tried to circle around in different spots and

959
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: try to predict where he's going to be. And he's

960
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: always over here and I'm there, and I'm there, and

961
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,479
Speaker 1: he's here. Don't take them here and I go over there.

962
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna keep on trying and uh try

963
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 1: to stay positive and try to stay focused and give

964
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: her hell. Dan, I'm just gonna give her hell, So

965
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: go get him. That's that's I don't. Don't give up, Mark,

966
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: I won't. I won't. I'm telling you though. Uh, the

967
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: three third day and wake up call tomorrow is gonna

968
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: come a way too soon. Yeah. How long are you

969
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: getting in the how early are you getting in the stand? Uh? Well,

970
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: I gotta trying to very quietly slip in there, which

971
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 1: takes a long time, and then hang a set in

972
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: the dark. Oh, hanging the set in the dark. Yeah,

973
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: that's probably the worst. Yeah, you'd be proud of me

974
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: that I've been a running gun machine this year. I've

975
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 1: been I've sat a regular tree stand like two three

976
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: times the last thirteen days or something like that. So yeah, man,

977
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: I've been up and down, up and down, up and down.

978
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: So good luck, brother, Thanks man. That's uh, that's my

979
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: RUT story so far. Um. I can't wait to hear

980
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: your stories coming up. I'm sure we'll have some good

981
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: hunts coming here soon. And man, I wish you good

982
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: luck and and your one. Yeah, I'm a I'm opposite

983
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: of you, man, I am energized, I'm ready to go.

984
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: I'm I'm like, I'm fired up. There's no not one

985
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: ounce of exhaustion in me at this point. And uh,

986
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 1: like I tell you every year, man, I get more

987
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: sleep when I go to my RUT vacation than I

988
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: do at home anyway. So well, enjoy your sleep, enjoy

989
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: your rest and relaxation. I know you're working though, I

990
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: know the grind is gonna happen for you too, So yeah, man, Uh,

991
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: what we have the rest of the show is is

992
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: some good info. Greg Clements and Aaron Warburton from the

993
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: Hunting Public. So that's the end of our recap. Let's

994
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 1: get into uh some great no how from these guys.

995
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: Hopefully between these stories and the information they're gonna share,

996
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: all of you listening can have so exciting rout hunts

997
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: coming soon. All right, I'm excited to have on the

998
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: line with us here, Aaron Warburton and Greg Clements from

999
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: the Hunting Public. Guys, thank you for taking the time

1000
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: to do this right now. Absolutely thanks for having us. Yeah, Mark,

1001
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: pleasure to be here. I gotta believe and I know

1002
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: from following stuff on YouTube and everywhere that you're crazy

1003
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: busy right now. Where are you guys right now? I

1004
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: know you're in different places, but where are you and

1005
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 1: where are you heading in the coming days? Greg? Currently,

1006
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here in Iowa and uh, just working on editing.

1007
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: Yesterday morning she shout a nice buck. So we're all

1008
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: tagged out here in Iowa, our crew, everybody that had

1009
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: a resident arch tree tag is tagged out. So it's

1010
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: kind of a strange situation to be in. Normally this

1011
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 1: time of the uber grinding it out in the stand,

1012
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:15,959
Speaker 1: you know, going hunting all day long. But yeah, we're

1013
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: we're just an editing mode now. That's pretty nice. Yeah,

1014
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,240
Speaker 1: it's a it's a good problem to have, I guess

1015
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 1: it just kind of feel lost, not feeling like you

1016
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: need to get out to the woods and and go hunt.

1017
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: But I get some editing done and then we'll be

1018
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: off to a different state, so soon enough. What about

1019
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: you here. I'm in Missouri at the moment, and I've

1020
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: been filming ted off and on all week, but it's

1021
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: just been crappy weather. It's been just NonStop rain, uh

1022
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: for like three and a half four days now, so uh,

1023
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: and I've just been going back and forth kind of

1024
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 1: filming him and then going home for you know, an

1025
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: evening or so to dry everything off. And then I

1026
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: was on my way back down there this morning to

1027
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: film him. But yeah, you just quit raining where he's

1028
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 1: hunting that so he's had to do the woods this afternoon.

1029
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: It ain't raining where I'm at though. It's still raining here,

1030
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: so we're trying to we're trying to kill one in

1031
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: Missouri right now before we head to Tennessee next week.

1032
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: But it's definitely been pretty wet. Yeah, that's throwing a

1033
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: wrenching things. Greg are you are you? Are you able

1034
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: to share the story? Do he has it to hold

1035
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: onto it for the video to hear what happened yesterday? No,

1036
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,439
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Um the video should come out

1037
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: next week sometime, so UM, I would say it's fairly timely. Actually,

1038
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: it's one of you know, this last week of October

1039
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: has been really cool here in the Midwest. Um, there's

1040
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: been you know, scraping activities ramped up, there's all kinds

1041
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: of sign in the woods. And as soon as I

1042
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: got back from Pennsylvania and we did the public Land

1043
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: Challenge there kind of my goal coming into this last

1044
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: week of of the season before we moved on to

1045
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: a different state was trying to try to kill a

1046
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: buck over a decoy here in Iowa. And that's one

1047
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: of my probably my favorite deer hunting tactic, honestly, because

1048
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: that's what I did mostly growing up in uh in

1049
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: eastern Nebraska. Hunted a lot of open country, you know,

1050
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: properties just with small patches of cover and are largely

1051
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: cropper pasture or something like that. So decoys were a

1052
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: huge advantage in that kind of open country. And uh,

1053
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: you know, between my dad and my brother and I,

1054
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: my cousin. All the all our crew that hunted around there,

1055
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: you know one of us are more of us probably killed,

1056
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: you know, a buck over a decoy every year. They're

1057
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: you know, bow hunting, growing up bow hunting back in Nebraska.

1058
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: So that's you know, since I moved to Iowa, I

1059
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: really hadn't hunted a whole lot with the decoy, and

1060
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: that's something that I just that was kind of my

1061
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: goal for this this season was to get that done

1062
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: and had a perfect opportunity yesterday morning. What's the what's

1063
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: the set up? What? Specifically? I guess number one, how

1064
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: were you set up as far as where your stand was?

1065
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: And then number two, I'm really curious on the decoy

1066
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: placement and wind and all that. Yeah, so the the

1067
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: setup was it actually planned. B The first spot that

1068
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: we went to, uh, it was in a spot that

1069
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: Aaron and I hunted last year, had to encountered with

1070
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: a big nine pointer, and you know, I wanted to

1071
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: go back in there and and try to try to

1072
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: make that work. But the cover the vegetation had growing

1073
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: up last year was short grown grass and this year

1074
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: was you know, indian grass and blue stem. It was

1075
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: just tall, so that that visual advantage wasn't there. It

1076
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: was just too thick. So I Ethan and I got

1077
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: back to the truck and I started pondering, you know,

1078
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: thinking about other spots that would work. And the spot

1079
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: came to mind that was, it's kind of a a

1080
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: long ridge that's old cattle pasture. It's overgrown, there's uh,

1081
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: it's you know a lot of cedars and and thick betting,

1082
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: thick draws on both sides of the ridge and uh.

1083
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: And my thought was would be a good spot with

1084
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: high visibility because there's you know, this ridge kind of

1085
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: bends around where there's visibility and a couple of different directions.

1086
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: So I got the visual advantage. And then also with

1087
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: it being a relatively calm morning, I figured I had

1088
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: the rattling antlers. I figured we could call down into

1089
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: this uh, into these thick draws and into that thick

1090
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: seat or bedding and hopefully pull something up out of there.

1091
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: So we got set up. It was probably right at sunrise.

1092
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: It was you know, we got in there a little

1093
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: bit late because the first spot didn't pan out, but

1094
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: got in there and as we were walking in we

1095
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: had about a three three hundred yard walk in from

1096
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: the road it was you know, actually easy access. And

1097
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: I guess another thought I had is because it was

1098
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: dead calm that morning, I wanted to get in somewhere

1099
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: that that I could get in quietly and just not

1100
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 1: blow everything out, So that that worked out well. And

1101
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: as we were walking in, we started seeing a bunch

1102
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: of fresh rubs, you know that were you know, the

1103
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: peelings were on top of the leaves, the bark was

1104
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: still green or the you know, the the excuse me,

1105
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: the rub itself was still green. Her I think Dan

1106
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: dan in Fault called it bleeding. You know, they were

1107
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: just that fresh. So anyways, a bunch of fresh rubs,

1108
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of fresh scrapes, and uh so we were encouraged,

1109
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, going back in there that you know, there

1110
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: was a buck that was actively in that area. So

1111
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: I got set up and took a few minutes to

1112
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: get set up, and I was thinking about the best

1113
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: way to position the decoy so that it could be seen, um,

1114
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,479
Speaker 1: you know, as far as possible, kind of in both

1115
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: directions where there was visibility down this long ridge and

1116
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: then where the ridge bent around. So we were kind

1117
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: of sent up in the corner there and the wind

1118
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: was blowing our scent back into some thick cover behind us.

1119
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: So my thought was that, you know, a lot of

1120
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: times with calling, a buck is gonna try to circle

1121
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: in down wind and sometimes bust you. But he would

1122
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: have had to have gone into that really thick cover

1123
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: to get down wind of us. So it just seemed

1124
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:53,959
Speaker 1: like it was making a lot of sense right there.

1125
01:01:54,680 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 1: And uh did the first calling sequence at eight o'clock.

1126
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: It was just dead calm at that point in the morning.

1127
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 1: Nothing came to that, and we really weren't seeing a

1128
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: lot of deer movement, and the morning was relatively slow,

1129
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: and then the wind started to pick up a little bit.

1130
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: About eight thirty nine o'clock had a two year old

1131
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: buck come in in the morning, just had a better

1132
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: feel to it with that, with that breeze blowing, and

1133
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: about nine fifteen did a second calling sequence and set

1134
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: the antlers down and had to had to go pro

1135
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: rolling behind us. I was able to see exactly how

1136
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: long it it took from the time we stopped calling

1137
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: to the time the buck responded. It was a minute

1138
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: and fifteen seconds later. All of a sudden, a big

1139
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: ten pointer popped his head up over the ridge and

1140
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: his forty yards away looking at the decoy. Wow. So

1141
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: I told you yeah, I told Ethan, big buck right here,

1142
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: you know, don't move, and he was, you know, he

1143
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: was looking at the decoy, but his line was also

1144
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: you know, looking in our direction. So we tried to

1145
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: slowly get in position and get ready. Ethan was kind

1146
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: of behind me. He had to get out around me

1147
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: to be able to film the deer, and he bristled

1148
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: up and started working left to the point where I

1149
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:12,919
Speaker 1: thought maybe he was going to try to circle down

1150
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: wind and it was gonna be tougher for me to

1151
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: shoot to the left. My best shooting opportunity was to

1152
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: the right. So the buck is about thirty five yards

1153
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: um kind of been some thick cover, and you know,

1154
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: I was afraid it was just gonna fall apart, that

1155
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 1: he was gonna hook around to the left and just

1156
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: wasn't going to get a shot opportunity. And then all

1157
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he broke back to the right and

1158
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: started looping around the backside of the decoy and came

1159
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: into it, bristled up, and then again I guess one

1160
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: of the one of the downfalls using a decoy sometimes

1161
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: if they don't come in just right, and if they

1162
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: you know, if they go in and bulldoze that knock

1163
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: it over a lot of times, you know your opportunity

1164
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 1: will will fall apart there. But but yeah, he did right,

1165
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: kind of bristled up next to it and gave me

1166
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: a broadside shot at toe three yards and h sent

1167
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: one through him and he bounded thirty yards and fell over.

1168
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah, so it was. It was an exciting hunt.

1169
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: It was. It was nice when you know a plan

1170
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: comes together, you kind of draw it up in your

1171
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: mind and it it works out that way. And he

1172
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 1: came out of one of those thick draws that I

1173
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 1: was referring to earlier, and that would you know, I

1174
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: always assume, and you talk to some people, Um, I

1175
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: guess what I'm trying to stay here, is that being

1176
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: someone who hunts, you know, somewhere like Michigan heavily pressure deer, YadA, YadA, YadA.

1177
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: I'm so paranoid about ever trying something like a decoy

1178
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: because I feel like, oh, there's no way that could

1179
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: work where there's so many hunters and so much stuff

1180
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 1: going on. But I know you guys are doing it

1181
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: on public land with with quite a bit of success

1182
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: over the years. Is that something that you've seen. I

1183
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: know it has worked for you in Iowa. Has that

1184
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: worked for you in other states where there's um more pressure?

1185
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 1: Have you tried it on any these other different states

1186
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 1: you've been to and found it to be able to

1187
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: work to? Uh? Yeah, I'm trying to think of where

1188
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: else that we've used it other than my home state. Writers,

1189
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 1: I did use it on public land. They're successfully um,

1190
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, private land that was you know, the shared

1191
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: you know, shared permission with other people. I wouldn't call

1192
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: anything how the public land was fairly heavily pressured, I guess,

1193
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 1: I would say. And him in Missouri too, um, and

1194
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: had success down there on heavily on on what I

1195
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: would call more heavily pressured lands. And I don't know,

1196
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 1: it's just a spec it's just speculation because I don't

1197
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: think we have much experience with decoys past those areas.

1198
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: But I think, uh, I think worrying too much about

1199
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 1: hunting pressure can be uh sort of overthinking it sometimes

1200
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 1: because we used to do the same thing. But all

1201
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 1: these areas that we go when a deer gets in that,

1202
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 1: I guess what what I'm trying to say, is they

1203
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 1: get in that mindset when they are when they're rutting,

1204
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 1: when they're acting aggressive, testosterone is up, you can get

1205
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: away with a heck of a lot more. I mean,

1206
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: Zach last year in New York killed a very very

1207
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: mature buck in the middle of the rut with a

1208
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: dough um on extremely heavily pressured lands, and he pretty

1209
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: much just walked up to the thing and shot it.

1210
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: Literally just walked into the field and eventually the deer

1211
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: ran and walked right by him, you know. And I

1212
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: think in that situation a decoy would have worked, and

1213
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: I would I would assume he would agree, would have worked,

1214
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 1: you know, just as well in that situation as it

1215
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: would in Iowa or anywhere else for that matter. Um,

1216
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: whenever you start talking about the rut and and bucks,

1217
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: especially mature bucks, because like that's their purpose this time

1218
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 1: of year, you know, is they get super territorial and

1219
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: it's it's time to start thinking about breeding. Does regardless

1220
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: of where you're at, Um, that can work extremely well. Yeah,

1221
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, in certain situations obviously, all right, because that's

1222
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: all it trying. It's down to deer hunting, so situational

1223
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: everywhere you go. But you know, something I feel like

1224
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 1: you guys have done a really good job of is

1225
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: testing assumptions improving them wrong. If you were to look

1226
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:22,479
Speaker 1: at what you guys have have done over the last

1227
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: few years and trying so many things that other folks

1228
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: might assume would be taboo on public land, or not

1229
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: possible on public land, or or crazy or too aggressive,

1230
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: and by just trying these things and and finding out that, oh, yeah,

1231
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 1: it actually can work, it's really changing the game for

1232
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Is there anything else like that

1233
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 1: during the rut that you guys have found where you know,

1234
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 1: ten years ago you would have thought, oh, there's no

1235
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 1: way you could get away with that, but now today

1236
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: you're you're realizing, well, that's not the case, and it's

1237
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 1: changed things for it. Does anything else come to mind

1238
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 1: like that? I would say being super aggressive in the

1239
01:07:56,520 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 1: rut um and that's not just sit. I guess we

1240
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 1: could get We could get pretty far down the rabbit

1241
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: hole here, So stop me, Mark and if I if

1242
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: I get going too long for it. But I think

1243
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: there's kind of two different tactics that work extremely well

1244
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:17,680
Speaker 1: in the rut One is sitting long hours in a

1245
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: specific spot you know, a funnel or transition whatever, and

1246
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 1: basically waiting for a buck to walk by. Uh. That

1247
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 1: has proven over time to be extremely effective. If you

1248
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: have the time and you can spend it as many

1249
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 1: full days in the woods as possible, you can kill

1250
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: bucks doing that. Um. But what we've done more of

1251
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: in the last probably six seven years is we've actually

1252
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 1: started to move to find the action in the run,

1253
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 1: literally walking or driving until we either see or spook

1254
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 1: run into whatever. Uh. The action. What I mean by

1255
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 1: the action is a hot dough, a group of bucks

1256
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 1: in a in a certain location, because that's what I

1257
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: believe is going on a lot of the time. Most

1258
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:14,599
Speaker 1: of the bucks are in one specific location for most

1259
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: of the run. Or well, sorry, I should back up,

1260
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: most of the bucks on a given day are in

1261
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: a spot on a on a property wherever that dough

1262
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: is at that is coming into heat. Most of the

1263
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: bucks in that area are going to be right there.

1264
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 1: And obviously we we know that all that can get

1265
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: flipped upside down and can change in a matter of

1266
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 1: seconds if they push you out of there or whatever.

1267
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: But I feel like that's something that has worked tremendously

1268
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:44,839
Speaker 1: well for us. Is just is being especially on limited

1269
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: time UM. And I should preface by saying that if

1270
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 1: you don't have a lot of time in the run,

1271
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: if you don't have the luxury of sitting in a

1272
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:56,679
Speaker 1: funnel area all day long, for day after day after

1273
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 1: day after day, I would recommend trying to literally walk

1274
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 1: around until you run into the deer um, even if

1275
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: that means spook in the deer, because if if a

1276
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: doze in heat and there's multiple bucks in that area,

1277
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 1: more times than not we don't see them react the

1278
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 1: same way at a pressure as we would other times

1279
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,759
Speaker 1: the year because their main focus is you know, obviously

1280
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 1: breeding during that time. And I feel like if if

1281
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 1: you just have a weekend for example, or maybe you

1282
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 1: just have a couple of days vacation and you're not

1283
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: in that action, maybe you're sitting in a pile of sign,

1284
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: you're sitting in an excellent funnel area, but if the

1285
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:34,719
Speaker 1: hot dough is on the other side of the property

1286
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 1: for that two or three days, you're probably gonna you know,

1287
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 1: watch a lot of squirrels and leaves blown. But if

1288
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: you get down and you actually go and find the deer,

1289
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 1: you can have success a lot faster in the run.

1290
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah, it does. How do you

1291
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: know when you found it? Though? I mean it realized.

1292
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 1: There's a few obvious things, but I gotta believe there's

1293
01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of it too. It probably has taking

1294
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: some experience to figure out the nuance of oh, this

1295
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 1: is it, I need to stop right now, versus Okay,

1296
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 1: I just bumped a deer, but you know, maybe I

1297
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: should keep going. How do you know when you're in

1298
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 1: the spot right, Okay, we're here, it's time. Um, a

1299
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: variety of different things. It's all situational. But I'll give

1300
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: you a couple of examples. UM. One is scrapes. And

1301
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 1: I know you've heard it over and over again. Don't

1302
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 1: pay attention to scrapes during the rut. But a lot

1303
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:34,600
Speaker 1: of times scrapes are position in locations where numerous trails intersect,

1304
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 1: or even on the edges of betting areas, or in

1305
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 1: transitions in between betting areas. So if and I'll just

1306
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 1: bring up a specific example, because that's the best way

1307
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 1: I can explain this. We were headed in on November nine,

1308
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, into a big block of woods,

1309
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: and we covered probably three quarters of a mile down

1310
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:58,719
Speaker 1: this ridge, there's lots of rubs in their decent amount

1311
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 1: of sign but nothing like super super fresh. We dove

1312
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 1: off of the point of the ridge, got on a

1313
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: long secondary rage that fall fall off into a creek

1314
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 1: bottom this pretty thick and as we got down there,

1315
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 1: we started noticing like, here's a really really fresh grape

1316
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 1: that was just worked. And then boom, here's another really

1317
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 1: really fresh grape that was just where I mean I'm

1318
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,639
Speaker 1: talking in the last twenty four hours. So we popped

1319
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: up in a tree set up over it, and as

1320
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 1: we were hanging the stand, a mature buck pushed the

1321
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 1: dough by us at ten yards and we weren't ever

1322
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 1: able to kill it because we had the camera in

1323
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 1: the boat at the bottom of the tree and whatever.

1324
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 1: But what ensued after that was about I think there

1325
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 1: was four or five different bucks in that on that

1326
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 1: ridge and in that immediate area, all vying for that dough,

1327
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 1: and a lot of those satellite bucks, you know, the

1328
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: younger bucks that didn't have the dough. They were rubbing, scraping, sparring,

1329
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 1: doing all sorts of aggressive behavior in and around where

1330
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: that buck had the dough. And I think that's where

1331
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: a lot of that was that fresh scraping activity had

1332
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 1: come from. But that's the sign that we set up

1333
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 1: on in that particular instance to get on that that scenario,

1334
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:10,799
Speaker 1: we've also just went been gone in through the woods

1335
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 1: and literally just ran into a dough in a buck

1336
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 1: and jumped up and literally had the buck that was

1337
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 1: with the dough at like separate them. The buck that

1338
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 1: was with the dough come back through there within fifteen

1339
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 1: minutes looking for her blowing. I mean, he was alert,

1340
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 1: he knew we were in there, but he lost her

1341
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 1: when we bumped into him, and he was bound and

1342
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 1: determined to find her again. And the next day in

1343
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 1: that same spot, just a little bit deeper, it was

1344
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 1: just total chaos because you know, we bumped them and

1345
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 1: she went probably to three yards, stopped, settled down and

1346
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 1: didn't leave the area completely. And that's not always the case.

1347
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it can it can change, like I said,

1348
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 1: very very quickly. But if you're if you're just moving

1349
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 1: around with your eyes up and you're looking or that

1350
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 1: out in front of you, um and then reacting to

1351
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: it as you as you run into deer like that,

1352
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,719
Speaker 1: like heading in deeper after him, I think you're gonna

1353
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 1: get onto more action especially in a short time frame. Yeah, Greg,

1354
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: would you would you add anything to that or bramping

1355
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 1: anything different? I'd say Aaron hit it pretty well, I would.

1356
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 1: It seems like there's certain areas where we tend to

1357
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 1: find bucks with the hot dough, and it seems to

1358
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 1: revolve around some kind of physical barrier water. A lot

1359
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 1: of times, if you have water in near area, whether

1360
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 1: it be a lake or a river, um, you know,

1361
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 1: sometimes you see him pushed up against a county road

1362
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: or something like that. It just seems like like Aaron's

1363
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: referring to driving around or walking around until you find

1364
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,759
Speaker 1: the action. A lot of times it's just simply driving

1365
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 1: around and checking out this public land and then you

1366
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 1: just see the action from the road. You know. Last year,

1367
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: I think in one particular day, Aaron and I drove

1368
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 1: around in the morning. It was a dead calm morning,

1369
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 1: found a buck that had a multiple box that had

1370
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 1: a hot dough pushed up against the county road and

1371
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 1: we try to sneak in on them and UH. And

1372
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 1: then later that afternoon we set up in a spot

1373
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 1: and UH had a big nine point or that had

1374
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 1: a dope pushed up against you know, a small pond

1375
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 1: or a small lake, so it just seems to be there.

1376
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 1: There was some commonality. And in those areas where uh,

1377
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, buck bull try to push a hot dough

1378
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 1: to to get away from all the other bucks. And

1379
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:20,719
Speaker 1: you know, if you can find that kind of scenario,

1380
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 1: find that situation and and like Aaron said, a lot

1381
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: of times the buck just they have their guard down,

1382
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 1: They're more focused on the dough and it's a great

1383
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 1: time to you know, to sneak in and and get

1384
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 1: a shot or call to him, decoy to them. You know,

1385
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 1: Zack had an incredible serious months along the river bottom

1386
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 1: last year where there was bucks that had dough is

1387
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 1: pushed up against the river. So yeah, I guess that's

1388
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 1: what I would add to it, to look for those

1389
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 1: kinds of spots. How do you hold on star? One second?

1390
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 1: I got dog issue going on in the other room,

1391
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 1: the joys of coard in this at home. Um, okay,

1392
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:10,639
Speaker 1: hopefully I'll get dealt with here on a second. Okay,

1393
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 1: that's good. Okay, So what I'm trying to say here,

1394
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 1: it's so you mentioned Aaron that sometimes you're gonna do

1395
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 1: what we just talked about. We're gonna search out these

1396
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 1: hot spots search out this activity. But then there is

1397
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 1: this other type of run hunting that you described that

1398
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people know, which is find that really

1399
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 1: good area and and hunker down and waited out. Um,

1400
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:36,599
Speaker 1: do you ever still do that now? Or is it

1401
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,759
Speaker 1: is it always now? Just seek out the hot stuff, move, move, move,

1402
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:41,639
Speaker 1: or is there a time when you know that, Hey,

1403
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 1: you know what, this is such a good funnel. Uh,

1404
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 1: we need to put two days here straight and just

1405
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 1: see what happens. Is that something that it still happens

1406
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: for you? Yes, It all depends on the scenario. Say,

1407
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 1: for example, we only have a weekend to hunt a

1408
01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: property and we don't have a lot of sort of

1409
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 1: backup plans in the area. Maybe it's a fairly small

1410
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 1: property public or private, and we only have a weekend

1411
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:11,719
Speaker 1: to hunt it. Um, and there's there's one really good

1412
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:13,679
Speaker 1: spot in the middle of that thing that can cover

1413
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 1: any crossing action, you might just be best off to

1414
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: sit there. But if if the scenario is opposite, where

1415
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 1: you have lots of other options, and say a big

1416
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 1: piece five thousand acres or something, the public land where

1417
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 1: you've got multiple betting areas, probably multiple mature bucks living

1418
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 1: in and around that area. Um, it may serve you

1419
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 1: best to get out and move and just keep up

1420
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 1: with the deer. So it kind of it all. It

1421
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 1: all just depends on your your situations. I mean, if

1422
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 1: I was hunting my my family farm in Missouri, for example,

1423
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 1: it's a hundred acres and that's the only place I

1424
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 1: was hunting for the whole weekend, I would probably be

1425
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 1: more conservative and try to get in there and sit

1426
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 1: the best funnels that I knew about all day and

1427
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 1: expect to to see a buck at some point in

1428
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 1: that time frame because you just don't have a lot

1429
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:12,640
Speaker 1: of room to work with. But if if it's the

1430
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:15,639
Speaker 1: opposite of that, then where you can really get out

1431
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 1: and cover some ground, like Greg said, either from the

1432
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 1: truck or our boots on the ground, then then being

1433
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 1: aggressive and moving around to find them maybe a good option.

1434
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 1: I'm not saying one or the other is is necessarily better,

1435
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:32,719
Speaker 1: but I do I do think that there are certain

1436
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 1: situations where one or the other may may be more effective. Um,

1437
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 1: I guess it. When you're talking about specifics, one or

1438
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 1: the other could be more effective. When you're talking about

1439
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 1: general advice, either one can work. That makes sense. That

1440
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,839
Speaker 1: makes sense, So let's let's break down some of the

1441
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 1: general types of places you guys will look at as

1442
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 1: a potential rut spot, because I know a lot is

1443
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 1: going to depend on what we discussed, the sign and

1444
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 1: actually seeing deer when you're out there scouting and stuff.

1445
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 1: But there are some general types of areas that people

1446
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 1: like to think about during the rut and maybe those

1447
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 1: are starting points for you. Of course, people talk about

1448
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 1: funnels pinch points all the time, UM on public land

1449
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 1: and the kind of stuff you guys are doing. If

1450
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 1: you are gonna go check out one of these spots

1451
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 1: or set up on one of these spots, what are

1452
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:23,759
Speaker 1: the types of funnels or pinch points that you've found

1453
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 1: you know are the most effective or or worth given

1454
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 1: that extra time. Is there anything are that you've come

1455
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 1: to really like? UM? I know you guys have talked

1456
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 1: about different thermal hubs and things like that, where ridges

1457
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 1: come down. UM, anything stand out there that's worth covering

1458
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:44,799
Speaker 1: on regardless of the rain, I would say any any

1459
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 1: sort of thick transitional area between betting areas would grab

1460
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 1: our attention. UM. In the in the case of the

1461
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 1: thermal hub, if you're hunting in hill country and a

1462
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 1: bunch of ridges dumped down like uh, you know, spokes

1463
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 1: on a bicycle wheel into a hub that's going where

1464
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 1: that hub is is going to connect a bunch of

1465
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 1: those ridges where does are likely betting. So therefore you're

1466
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of that crossing travel from one

1467
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 1: bedding ridge to the next bedding ridge in the hub.

1468
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,560
Speaker 1: That's why we like setting up in the hub. Um,

1469
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 1: if you're but there's lots of other scenarios, terrain types

1470
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:25,439
Speaker 1: and whatnot. You know, if you're in if you're in

1471
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 1: a swamp or something, for example, and you have to

1472
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 1: two marshes with deer bedding in it, and then maybe

1473
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 1: a thin strip of timber that's connecting the two of

1474
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 1: those that's back there. It's remote, it's away from people.

1475
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 1: I would concentrate on that. I don't. I would say

1476
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 1: that as a as general advice would go. We we're

1477
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 1: looking more for either an overlooked funnel between betting areas

1478
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 1: or remote funnel between betting areas more so than a

1479
01:20:55,080 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 1: funnel between like betting and feeding. So so the remote

1480
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:02,640
Speaker 1: aspect is pretty easy to figure out. You know, you

1481
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 1: can you can find something that's the hardest to get

1482
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:06,560
Speaker 1: to or the furthest from a parking, a lot er

1483
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 1: from a road. But what about the overlooked stuff? What's like,

1484
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 1: how do you pinpoint or how are you when you're

1485
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 1: looking at a map or you're scouting out there on

1486
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 1: the ground and you're trying to figure this stuff out

1487
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 1: and you're thinking, ma'am, would this spot be worth hitting

1488
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 1: up even though it seems kind of stupid? How do

1489
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 1: you think through that? What are some examples of spots

1490
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 1: like that that that you would deem overlooked but still worthwhile? Uh? Yeah,

1491
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:35,719
Speaker 1: it's it comes down to looking at the whole picture

1492
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 1: a lot of times, not just the public area that

1493
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 1: you have to hunt, or the or the particular private

1494
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 1: area that you have to hunt. Like take on x

1495
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 1: or Google Earth or whatever mapping software that you have,

1496
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 1: and just turn off all the layers as far as

1497
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:55,520
Speaker 1: like the boundaries go and just look at the overall

1498
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: scope of the area, like where are you you're going

1499
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 1: to bed within a square mile? Let's say, just use

1500
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 1: that as an example, and then you'll start to be

1501
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:08,760
Speaker 1: able to connect the dots between these properties, and all

1502
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 1: of a sudden you're gonna end up with a lot

1503
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 1: of these overlooked funnels that are right next to the

1504
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:17,639
Speaker 1: stupid road. Um where dear crossing you know, I mean,

1505
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 1: I'll give you an example in Michigan. We were there

1506
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 1: hunting early October last year, but we found a heck

1507
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 1: of a good crossing between betting areas. One betting area

1508
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,760
Speaker 1: was across the road on private land where we could

1509
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:34,719
Speaker 1: not hunt. One betting area was a thick, nasty tangle

1510
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 1: in an old overgrown apple orchard on the public land.

1511
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:40,679
Speaker 1: But it was right next to the road, I mean

1512
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 1: sixty yards from it, and people were literally driving by

1513
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: that apple orchard to park about a half mile in

1514
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 1: in that public area and then go on back, and

1515
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 1: nobody was hunting that little apple orchard. Well, you could

1516
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 1: see rubs coming out of the thing right on the road,

1517
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:59,600
Speaker 1: and we cut big tracks coming out of it on

1518
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 1: the of on the gravel that we're heading from the

1519
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 1: private land betting area to the old overgrown apple orchard

1520
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 1: betting area on the public land. So in that situation,

1521
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 1: in the rut, we'd set up right and I mean

1522
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:15,640
Speaker 1: real close to the road as close as legally possible

1523
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 1: that to intercept that line and travel between those two.

1524
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:22,599
Speaker 1: Obviously we can't hunt privately inside. But because there's two

1525
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 1: betting areas right there, there's some sort of a funnel

1526
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:27,759
Speaker 1: in between the two and it's really easy to see

1527
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 1: if you're if you don't have your blinders on, if

1528
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 1: you're looking at the whole picture within the area. And

1529
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 1: that's just one example of overlook spot right next to

1530
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 1: the road anyway. Yeah. I love the idea though, of

1531
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 1: of zooming out and turning off the layers and just

1532
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:44,599
Speaker 1: looking at the big picture. I have to remind myself

1533
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 1: to do that every once in a while, and it

1534
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 1: it does make a huge difference. That is a really

1535
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 1: really good idea. Um, Greg, would you add anything on

1536
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 1: the the overlooked aspects of things how to find those spots.

1537
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 1: I was just going to refer to. Uh. Aaron mentioned

1538
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: the thermal hub and he he'd actually killed a buck

1539
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 1: just a hundred yards off the road a couple of

1540
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 1: years ago, and I think that's another good example of

1541
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 1: looking at the big picture. Um, Aaron, maybe you can

1542
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 1: elaborate on that. I mean, it's just it was basically

1543
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 1: a big wood scenario with that road running right through

1544
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:20,799
Speaker 1: the center of it. But you killed that buck literally

1545
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 1: after he crossed the road. Yeah, it was. It was

1546
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 1: in a thermal hub about a hundred yards off the road, um,

1547
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 1: and there was four ridges on the public land side

1548
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 1: that all dumped into that hub. There was two ridges

1549
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 1: across the road on the private land side that dumped

1550
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 1: in right there. So that's what that's where the movement

1551
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 1: was coming from. It could come from any one of

1552
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:47,479
Speaker 1: those six ridges, two of them on private, four of

1553
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:50,080
Speaker 1: them on public, but the hub just happened to be

1554
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 1: on the public side, and it was right there, right

1555
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 1: on top of on of the road where you could

1556
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 1: easily scout it. I mean we we literally just jumped

1557
01:24:58,040 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 1: out of the truck and walked like forty yards and

1558
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 1: you can check and see if the scrapes are opened

1559
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 1: up in that hub to know if box you're using

1560
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 1: it or not in late October, and then you know

1561
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 1: that that's probably going to be a travel corridor in

1562
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 1: in the rut, you know, as it progresses on. Yeah,

1563
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 1: I just think that's a good example of how people

1564
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 1: made you just feel like us too close to the road.

1565
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:21,760
Speaker 1: But if you look at a big picture and say

1566
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 1: eliminate that road, you know from your mind and thinking

1567
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 1: that you know, just do you aren't gonna be right there.

1568
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's a perfect topographical situation, like you

1569
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:34,720
Speaker 1: described that hub and all that, all those ridges coming together. Yeah,

1570
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:36,760
Speaker 1: and there's some traffic on the road. I mean there's

1571
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 1: people driving up and down it occasionally. But you know,

1572
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 1: we sat in that stand and stared at that road

1573
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:45,759
Speaker 1: for three hours that morning. We had one truck drive

1574
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 1: in and drive out, and within a minute we killed

1575
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:54,360
Speaker 1: a buck. We literally sat there for three hours, genc anything,

1576
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 1: and then I looked up and here comes a buck

1577
01:25:56,920 --> 01:26:00,640
Speaker 1: walking across the road from the private it is, to

1578
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 1: the hub on the public side and walked rounderneath us,

1579
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 1: and there was another buck right behind him. You know,

1580
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 1: thirty seconds later that if we would have been paying

1581
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:10,120
Speaker 1: attention to tape, could have shot. But we were stoked

1582
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 1: after we killed this thing. So um yeah, I mean

1583
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 1: those things are crossing it so quick, Like we saw

1584
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:20,599
Speaker 1: that one truck in there in three hours time. Those

1585
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:23,599
Speaker 1: deer are not concerned with that at all. They're not

1586
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 1: They're not thinking about that. You know, if it was

1587
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 1: different and there was constant traffic in there, it might

1588
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:30,679
Speaker 1: it might change it a little bit, but I don't

1589
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 1: think so. They don't perceive that road is a threat. Um.

1590
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:37,559
Speaker 1: You know, unless people were parking right there and going

1591
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 1: in and hunting them right there actively, then that would

1592
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:42,679
Speaker 1: be different. But the parking lot is three hundred yards

1593
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 1: on past that, you know, and they avoid that area

1594
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 1: for sure, But that's because that's where people are parked

1595
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 1: and where they're that human sin is concentrated. You know,

1596
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 1: there's no human scent on that gravel road, just where

1597
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 1: people are driving over it. So of those thermal hubs, um,

1598
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 1: So just to recap for people that aren't familiar that

1599
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 1: this is the spot where multiple ridges dumped down into

1600
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:08,920
Speaker 1: a little bit of a bottom where they all converge

1601
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 1: and then you have all these different trails coming and

1602
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 1: meeting in this crossing point in the middle. Um. Those

1603
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 1: are places that notoriously have a lot of sign a

1604
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:19,679
Speaker 1: lot of activity, but also notoriously hard to hunt because

1605
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 1: when you're a bottom like that, you can have swirling winds,

1606
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 1: wonky stuff going on with that. How do you handle

1607
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 1: the wind in that kind of situation and how do

1608
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:29,880
Speaker 1: you handle and shoes like a set up in there

1609
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 1: that minimizes the risk. Well, once again, it's all situational,

1610
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 1: and what I found in in that particular hub this

1611
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:42,559
Speaker 1: was This would have been the second time I'd ever

1612
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 1: hunted it. The first time I hunted it, I hunted

1613
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 1: it with a ten twelve mile p hour wind and

1614
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 1: it was out of the northwest. I mean, it really

1615
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 1: didn't matter because you're at the bottom of a bowl.

1616
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 1: But with that wind speed up a little bit, we

1617
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:01,760
Speaker 1: were getting bad swirling uh um, you know, and deer

1618
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 1: we're picking us off until right at last light on

1619
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 1: that day that we hunted, when the wind laid down

1620
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 1: and our scent was just kind of hanging in the

1621
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 1: air because you're down low at that point, you know.

1622
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:13,720
Speaker 1: I mean, once a day winds drop off and you're

1623
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:16,680
Speaker 1: in a low spot, you're really gonna get, you know,

1624
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 1: extremely low wind speeds down next to no wind, and

1625
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 1: it at dusk. We had a buck come by that

1626
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 1: night that didn't smell us. So the next year, going

1627
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 1: into it, we went in there of a morning with

1628
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:32,640
Speaker 1: dead calm, high pressure conditions, so you know, one of

1629
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:34,839
Speaker 1: those frosty mornings like we're gonna have in the Midwest

1630
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 1: tomorrow morning where it's gonna drop down in the high twenties.

1631
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 1: There's gonna be two wind frost for sure. Those types

1632
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 1: of mornings don't get picked off and almost you know,

1633
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 1: the majority of the scenarios until the day winds pick up.

1634
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 1: Like you can just you can get away with so

1635
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 1: much because your scent is not traveling very far. It's

1636
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:59,639
Speaker 1: just hanging right there, either at stand height or it's

1637
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 1: just opting to the base of the tree. And that

1638
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 1: that was the case in the thermal hub in this

1639
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:08,799
Speaker 1: particular instance. Now come come nine ten o'clock in the morning,

1640
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 1: when the day winds pick up, completely different scenario. You know,

1641
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:15,759
Speaker 1: it depends on where you're set up in the hub.

1642
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 1: If you catch some sun on one of those ridges,

1643
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 1: you could get some thermal pool going up the side,

1644
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:24,720
Speaker 1: which which could help, you know, have a more predicted

1645
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 1: wind flow. But more often than not, in those low

1646
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:30,559
Speaker 1: spots like that, when the day winds pick up, it's

1647
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 1: over with because it's it just starts swirling too much. So,

1648
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:39,160
Speaker 1: all things being equal, I know that, I know it's

1649
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 1: everything situation specific, especially with this kind of thing. But

1650
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 1: if if you had to average it out and you're

1651
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:45,720
Speaker 1: looking at all the different places like this that you've

1652
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 1: hunted in the past, would you say more often you

1653
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 1: would air on hunting right in the bottom where the

1654
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 1: most where the most activities all convergently right in the

1655
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 1: bottom there, and hoping for a situation like you just

1656
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 1: described where it's calm and high pressure and you can

1657
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 1: get away with it. Or do you air on something

1658
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 1: it's a little bit higher up that maybe is a

1659
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:07,639
Speaker 1: little bit safer from more wind directions, but you're not

1660
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 1: able to get as many shots. Is one of the

1661
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 1: other more common for you. I would say, potentially do

1662
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:18,599
Speaker 1: both in the same day, on down low early until

1663
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 1: you're compromised with the wind speed, and then move up

1664
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:25,719
Speaker 1: to a more conservative location, but you get more predictable wind.

1665
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 1: It's interesting to you. Um, what about you, Greg? Any

1666
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 1: thoughts on hubs like this? M M, not necessarily. I

1667
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 1: think Aaron hammered at home, Um, going back to that

1668
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 1: spot that that he'd killed his buck out of it.

1669
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 1: It's kind of funny. I I went back in that

1670
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 1: spot and in twenty nineteen, uh, to give it a try,

1671
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 1: similar kind of conditions, and uh, apparently some people had

1672
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 1: caught onto it because there was boot tracks in there

1673
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 1: and people have been hanging sent wicks and the scrapes

1674
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:59,639
Speaker 1: right there, so's t see. Yeah, I mean that happens

1675
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 1: sometimes but yeah, when you see that, just time to

1676
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:05,479
Speaker 1: move on and find somewhere else. Let's talk about that,

1677
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 1: which is dealing with hunting pressure during the rut, because

1678
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:14,800
Speaker 1: there's there's obviously an impact from pressure at all times

1679
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,519
Speaker 1: of the year. But how do you guys see it

1680
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 1: different during the rut? Do you worry about it less

1681
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 1: or do you worry about it just the same as

1682
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 1: if it was October one? October? Um, what are your

1683
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 1: thoughts there, Greg? Uh, we just we don't tend to

1684
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:36,200
Speaker 1: worry about it. In fact, sometimes it works to our advantage.

1685
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:39,880
Speaker 1: Sometimes it keeps us moving onto other spots and finding

1686
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 1: new and better locations or areas where there's dear Um,

1687
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:47,599
Speaker 1: I'd say that we're pretty fortunate in Iowa. The hunting

1688
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 1: pressure is very low throughout the majority of the season

1689
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:54,639
Speaker 1: other than you know, about November one through the twelve

1690
01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:56,680
Speaker 1: something like that first couple of weeks and then of

1691
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 1: course during the gun seasons. But during the first couple

1692
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 1: of weeks and umber, a lot of times we're gonna

1693
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:03,040
Speaker 1: go hunt to different state. You know, well, I think

1694
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:04,720
Speaker 1: like we're going to Tennessee or most of the guys

1695
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:10,000
Speaker 1: are going to Tennessee here soon, So Um, yeah. I

1696
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 1: just in Iowa, where we spend most of our time hunting,

1697
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:15,839
Speaker 1: there's just not a ton of hunting pressure. And again,

1698
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 1: if there is, you know, we're just we're moving on

1699
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:20,200
Speaker 1: and finding a different spot. In fact, that's how I

1700
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 1: have some found some of the you know, the better

1701
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:25,400
Speaker 1: spots that and had some really good encounters that way.

1702
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:26,680
Speaker 1: Is the areas that I was going to go hunt,

1703
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 1: there was people in them, and I just kept on

1704
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:30,599
Speaker 1: moving and and scouted areas where they're you know, look

1705
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:33,760
Speaker 1: for access points where there just wasn't vehicles, and and

1706
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:36,920
Speaker 1: that that happened back in and ended up having one

1707
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 1: of the best ruts that I've ever had as far

1708
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 1: as encountering bucks, just because I was forced to move

1709
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 1: on and find a new spot because the hunting pressure.

1710
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:45,640
Speaker 1: What about you and what do you think about that?

1711
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:50,080
Speaker 1: I would say in some instances, hunting pressure in an

1712
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:54,280
Speaker 1: increase volume of it can actually help you get into

1713
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:59,919
Speaker 1: more dear um because it forces deer in the pockets

1714
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 1: at that point. And we noticed this especially in the rut,

1715
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:09,559
Speaker 1: because that's when the highest volume of hunter hunter show up.

1716
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:12,599
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody takes their vacation the first week in November, UM,

1717
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:15,960
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say everybody. A lot of people do. And

1718
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,439
Speaker 1: if you are dry, if you sacrifice a couple of

1719
01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 1: hunts during that time, say it's a Saturday or a

1720
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:23,639
Speaker 1: Sunday and you got four or five days a hunt,

1721
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 1: I might just sacrifice a whole day of honey just

1722
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:30,120
Speaker 1: to drive around and count the cars at different lots

1723
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:33,559
Speaker 1: and walk around and look where different guys that you

1724
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: know where they're hunting at, and just start crossing off

1725
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 1: these big vast areas that are getting pressured. And there

1726
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:44,879
Speaker 1: may be a couple of back corners of thick spots

1727
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:46,800
Speaker 1: on that area of betting areas that were aware of

1728
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:50,040
Speaker 1: that aren't touched. And usually if you go to those

1729
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:53,599
Speaker 1: and there's nobody hunting them, they're just a complete circus

1730
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:57,320
Speaker 1: in there with deer. We've had some just insane rut hunts.

1731
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:01,800
Speaker 1: I'm talking you know, seeing fifteen to twenty bucks in

1732
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 1: one day in one betting area. This is in Iowa, UM,

1733
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 1: where some of this is happening, but we've seen the

1734
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 1: exact same scenario play out in other states as well.

1735
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:14,920
Speaker 1: It's it just as it gets to be there, you

1736
01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 1: have to spend more time scouting hunting pressure in some

1737
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 1: of those other states where you have higher volumes of

1738
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:23,400
Speaker 1: hunting pressure. But by scouting for the pressure and then

1739
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:26,840
Speaker 1: kind of finding that diamond, then the rough out there

1740
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:30,719
Speaker 1: that's not getting hit, you're gonna you're really gonna find

1741
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:33,240
Speaker 1: the deer then, because you may. Yet, you may find

1742
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 1: yourself in a situation, say it's November six or seventh

1743
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 1: or something. You may find yourself in a situation where

1744
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:41,519
Speaker 1: there's multiple estrus does that have been pushed into one

1745
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 1: betting area. There will be bucks crawling over top of

1746
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:50,360
Speaker 1: each other in that thing. If if you can find it,

1747
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:53,679
Speaker 1: but you have to be moving around to find it.

1748
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:57,360
Speaker 1: Talk to me about I was just gonna say, it

1749
01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:00,519
Speaker 1: seems like they keep coming back to being mobo and

1750
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 1: being uh, you know, being flexible, and it seems like

1751
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 1: just I don't know how many times like just moving

1752
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:09,880
Speaker 1: on and uh and being more mobile, whether it be

1753
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 1: on foot or being a vehicle, has has paid off force.

1754
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:17,880
Speaker 1: So and yeah, and that's again comes back to, yeah,

1755
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:21,559
Speaker 1: hunting pressure, whether it be hunting pressure or um. Yeah,

1756
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:23,680
Speaker 1: like Aaron said, it's just a lot of times if

1757
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:26,599
Speaker 1: you know, you know, burn a day or two just

1758
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:30,639
Speaker 1: scouting hunters essentially and then eventually finding those pockets a deer.

1759
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:36,720
Speaker 1: Can you can you elaborate on Let's let's lay like

1760
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:40,599
Speaker 1: a hypothetical scenario. Let's say maybe I traveled out of state.

1761
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:43,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunt somewhere. I've got a seven day rut

1762
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 1: vacation UM down in southern Ohio or Iowa or somewhere

1763
01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 1: where there's a good amount of public land that I

1764
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 1: can get after. But there's gonna be other guys out

1765
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:55,880
Speaker 1: there because it is earli ish November UM. And I've

1766
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:58,040
Speaker 1: picked out a couple of spots on the map ahead

1767
01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:00,959
Speaker 1: of time that looked good, you know, these thermal hubspots

1768
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:02,880
Speaker 1: you can easily pick out on a map, or some

1769
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:07,320
Speaker 1: great pinch point or something that looks terrific. But you

1770
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 1: get in there and there's other tree stands or you

1771
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:12,600
Speaker 1: saw boot tracks walking in and you realize, oh, I

1772
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:14,640
Speaker 1: have to do this, I have to move on. As

1773
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:18,160
Speaker 1: you just describe, Greg, can you like walk me through

1774
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:22,679
Speaker 1: in detail what you're doing over the next four hours

1775
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:25,439
Speaker 1: or eight hours after you've realized, okay, we need to

1776
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 1: find stuff because what we thought was the stuff is not,

1777
01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:30,400
Speaker 1: or there's other guys in there. I know, I know,

1778
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:34,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna scout. But what I'm curious is, like, specifically,

1779
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:37,960
Speaker 1: how are you doing this? Are you are you walking

1780
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 1: ten yards and stopping on glassing, and then walking ten

1781
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:42,479
Speaker 1: yards and stopping and glassing, or are you covering ground

1782
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 1: until the next good looking spot in your map quickly? Um?

1783
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:49,320
Speaker 1: You know which specific things matter more? Scrapes versus rubs,

1784
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 1: versus tracks versus tree stands, um, Like, give me the

1785
01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:58,080
Speaker 1: stupid level of detail on what you're November seven, rut

1786
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:03,479
Speaker 1: scouting would look like after having a pressure impact making

1787
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:06,360
Speaker 1: you move. And I don't know if either one of

1788
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 1: you wants to start, whoever's got up a strong idea.

1789
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:12,519
Speaker 1: I'm curious, Greg, you want me to go or you

1790
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 1: want to go? Go ahead? All right? I would say

1791
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:20,760
Speaker 1: it's pretty quick. We're moving fast. If we go into

1792
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:25,160
Speaker 1: an area and the and it's just not there, it's

1793
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 1: not right. Too much pressure. We are either looking at

1794
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 1: playing B and playing bir play and C in the

1795
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 1: immediate area where we can walk to and check real quick.

1796
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 1: And when we're going, we're hauling the mail like we're

1797
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 1: not jogging through the woods, but we're walking fast and

1798
01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 1: loud and whatever we're trying to get to the next

1799
01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:48,200
Speaker 1: betting area to see if there's pressure. But what it

1800
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:51,000
Speaker 1: comes down to for me is efficiency more than anything.

1801
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:53,840
Speaker 1: And that's going to come back to the situational deal.

1802
01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:56,879
Speaker 1: If if we go into a spot and there's pressure

1803
01:37:56,920 --> 01:37:58,880
Speaker 1: in the next betting area on that pieces a mile

1804
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:04,080
Speaker 1: back further in, we might completely abandon that because it's

1805
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 1: gonna take us all day to go back in there

1806
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:09,720
Speaker 1: and check that thing and then come back out. Um.

1807
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that we're gonna do one or the other.

1808
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:15,720
Speaker 1: This is just a hypothetical. If we can get in

1809
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:18,880
Speaker 1: the truck and we can go and cover four or

1810
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:20,760
Speaker 1: five spots in the amount of time that we can

1811
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 1: cover one on foot, we're gonna get in the truck

1812
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:26,439
Speaker 1: and we're gonna we're gonna drive down the road to

1813
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:30,080
Speaker 1: the next public area, hop out, run out there and

1814
01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:33,120
Speaker 1: check it as quickly as possible. And what we're doing

1815
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 1: when we go in there to check is is we're

1816
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 1: looking for everything that you just mentioned, Mark, We're going

1817
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:40,880
Speaker 1: in there. We're looking for tree stands, looking for fresh

1818
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:46,599
Speaker 1: limbs being cut, boot tracks, trucks parked on the road, um,

1819
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:49,639
Speaker 1: any sort of hunter sign. On top of that, we're

1820
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:52,439
Speaker 1: also looking for fresh deer sign We're looking for fresh rubs,

1821
01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:54,840
Speaker 1: We're looking for fresh scrapes, even in the middle of

1822
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:59,599
Speaker 1: the rut, fresh tracks in any kind of wet soil

1823
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:04,560
Speaker 1: that we can notice. Um even even doing some glassing

1824
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:07,719
Speaker 1: in the early morning or the evening at from high points.

1825
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:10,519
Speaker 1: But I would say through the course of the day.

1826
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:15,360
Speaker 1: It it all comes down to efficiency, Like how many

1827
01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 1: of these potential betting areas where there are deer especially

1828
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 1: does living can we get to in a given day.

1829
01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:27,920
Speaker 1: And there's there's there's really no messing around when when

1830
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:30,479
Speaker 1: we're going and scouting those we're not we're not still

1831
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:33,880
Speaker 1: hunting really in that scenario. We are just beat feeting

1832
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:36,559
Speaker 1: to those spots, and you know, we might approach those

1833
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:40,280
Speaker 1: with caution in the last couple of hundred yards, but

1834
01:39:41,479 --> 01:39:44,840
Speaker 1: before that we're just we're hauling and and a lot

1835
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:47,760
Speaker 1: of times along the way we'll run into you know,

1836
01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:50,160
Speaker 1: mature buck lockdown with the dough or something right next

1837
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:52,480
Speaker 1: to the road, and that may change the plans completely,

1838
01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:58,040
Speaker 1: but efficiency really matters during that time. I feel like,

1839
01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:05,479
Speaker 1: what would you add, Greg, I think, you know, if

1840
01:40:05,479 --> 01:40:08,240
Speaker 1: you can key in on a spot where there's high visibility.

1841
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:10,760
Speaker 1: If you're really struggling, uh to find somewhere to get

1842
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:13,400
Speaker 1: away from hunters, If you can find somewhere that you

1843
01:40:13,439 --> 01:40:16,840
Speaker 1: can just glass into, um, you can cover a lot

1844
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:19,840
Speaker 1: of ground just visually. UM. You know, set up, you know,

1845
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:23,320
Speaker 1: do an observation, sit and and then and move in

1846
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:27,960
Speaker 1: beyond that or move on if you don't see anything. UM,

1847
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:31,360
Speaker 1: I guess I'm going back to. Actually would have been

1848
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:34,200
Speaker 1: about November five, November six, something like that. I had

1849
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:36,320
Speaker 1: a situation where, you know, the spot that I wanted

1850
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:38,960
Speaker 1: to go to, there was vehicles there, and then moved

1851
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:43,360
Speaker 1: on to another area, UM where there was an access

1852
01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:45,560
Speaker 1: point where there's a parking lot that you know, you

1853
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:49,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't really realize that it was a parking lot. It

1854
01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:50,800
Speaker 1: was kind of you had to go past somebody's house.

1855
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:53,280
Speaker 1: It wasn't real obvious. So that was the first thing

1856
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:55,080
Speaker 1: I was thinking, well, maybe maybe people don't realize you

1857
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:57,000
Speaker 1: can go park back in here. And there was a

1858
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:59,200
Speaker 1: bunch of uh, there was a good mix of cover.

1859
01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:02,479
Speaker 1: It was bought land, you know, crp patches of cotton

1860
01:41:02,479 --> 01:41:06,280
Speaker 1: wood regeneration and then it rolled up into hardwood timber.

1861
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:08,519
Speaker 1: So there was a good mix of habitat, So it

1862
01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:12,040
Speaker 1: started to work my way into that. UM found rubs

1863
01:41:12,040 --> 01:41:14,320
Speaker 1: and scrapes right by the parking lot. There wasn't any

1864
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:17,040
Speaker 1: you know, visible boot tracks, so I didn't have to

1865
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:18,960
Speaker 1: go very far. I basically went to the first patch

1866
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:22,800
Speaker 1: of bedding cover and found rubs and scrapes close to that.

1867
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:26,400
Speaker 1: So I set up there for the evening, and you know,

1868
01:41:26,439 --> 01:41:28,240
Speaker 1: I saw a bunch of deer coming out of that

1869
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:31,559
Speaker 1: that bedding cover. I think I saw like fifteen or

1870
01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:33,479
Speaker 1: sixteen deer that night something like that. It was a

1871
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:35,680
Speaker 1: really good sit. Didn't see any mature bucks. But from

1872
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:38,679
Speaker 1: there I just kept working that area basically just stage

1873
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:41,120
Speaker 1: hunting my way in and worked in and around that

1874
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:44,719
Speaker 1: area really throughout the rest of November. The rest throughout

1875
01:41:44,720 --> 01:41:46,920
Speaker 1: the rest of the middle part of November. Never killed

1876
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:50,320
Speaker 1: a buck. Um I don't, I can't. It was like

1877
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 1: six or seven close calls that I had. It was

1878
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:54,639
Speaker 1: just kind of crazy. One of those one of those

1879
01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:57,040
Speaker 1: seasons where you know, you just it was a great

1880
01:41:57,080 --> 01:41:59,320
Speaker 1: season as far as having encounters, but just didn't arrow

1881
01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:02,519
Speaker 1: a deer. But anyways, it was yeah, I guess that

1882
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:04,280
Speaker 1: was one of the things I was looking at. It

1883
01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:07,400
Speaker 1: was you know, an overlooked parking area, and then an

1884
01:42:07,439 --> 01:42:12,200
Speaker 1: area that had fairly high visibility and uh and just

1885
01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:13,760
Speaker 1: you know, found the deer signed right away and just

1886
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:16,080
Speaker 1: kept working working through it and never saw another hunter

1887
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:18,240
Speaker 1: in there over the course of the of the run.

1888
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:21,519
Speaker 1: I think that's something we ought to cover real quick,

1889
01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:25,679
Speaker 1: Greg in detail, is you didn't go very far in

1890
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:29,360
Speaker 1: And that's something that we that happens to us. I

1891
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:32,800
Speaker 1: would say often, not all the time, but we're we're

1892
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:36,000
Speaker 1: constantly talking about remote areas trying to get away from people.

1893
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:40,720
Speaker 1: But in many situations it pans out just like what

1894
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:44,479
Speaker 1: Greg said. You might find a very small area that

1895
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:48,719
Speaker 1: is overlooked. You pull in there, there's no vehicles, don't

1896
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:52,520
Speaker 1: walk by fresh sign on your way in there, especially

1897
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:54,640
Speaker 1: if you if there's a really good betting area, like

1898
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:57,840
Speaker 1: a hundred yards from that thing, because if nobody has

1899
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:00,639
Speaker 1: been in there within the last day or two, there's

1900
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:03,759
Speaker 1: a high likelihood, especially if you're in high pressure area,

1901
01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:07,880
Speaker 1: that they've pushed deer into that bedding area. It doesn't

1902
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:09,840
Speaker 1: matter if it's a mile back or a hundred yards.

1903
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:12,960
Speaker 1: And that's a mistake that we used to make a

1904
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:15,920
Speaker 1: lot was we would we were always stuck because it's

1905
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:18,200
Speaker 1: publicly and hunting. We were always stuck in that mindset

1906
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:20,000
Speaker 1: where it's like we've gotta go back, we've got to

1907
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:24,240
Speaker 1: get as far as possible. But we've noticed that, you know,

1908
01:43:24,439 --> 01:43:28,200
Speaker 1: just trusting the sign more in the last couple of years,

1909
01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:31,280
Speaker 1: Like we said, fresh scrapes. And when we're talking about

1910
01:43:31,360 --> 01:43:34,639
Speaker 1: fresh sign, I mean it's signed that was laid down

1911
01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:37,559
Speaker 1: in the last day, the last day and a half,

1912
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:41,160
Speaker 1: and we are looking for that stuff every single day

1913
01:43:41,160 --> 01:43:44,360
Speaker 1: of the season, including in the rut. You know, it's

1914
01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:48,240
Speaker 1: it's rained here in Missouri this week, for example, but

1915
01:43:48,479 --> 01:43:52,120
Speaker 1: Ted and I have been scouting throughout the week, not

1916
01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:55,559
Speaker 1: just for random scrapes, but for scrapes that have been

1917
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:59,760
Speaker 1: worked in the rain or since the latest rain, and

1918
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:02,040
Speaker 1: we haven't found very many of them. But it's like,

1919
01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:03,479
Speaker 1: you know, if you wake up in the morning it's

1920
01:44:03,479 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 1: been a downpour all night, you go out there and

1921
01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:08,320
Speaker 1: you start checking scrapes and you find one that was

1922
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:12,200
Speaker 1: worked and you can visibly see like drieder that was

1923
01:44:12,240 --> 01:44:15,519
Speaker 1: turned up in the scrape. You know it was worked

1924
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:18,200
Speaker 1: since that rain. So you're right on top of them

1925
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:21,519
Speaker 1: at that point. I mean, you're you're just right on them.

1926
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:23,720
Speaker 1: And that's another thing with tracks too. It's it's like

1927
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:27,160
Speaker 1: the sharper the track is when you find it kind

1928
01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:30,080
Speaker 1: of depends on the you know, the soil that you're

1929
01:44:30,200 --> 01:44:32,800
Speaker 1: that you're finding in the grass or whatever. But if

1930
01:44:32,840 --> 01:44:35,800
Speaker 1: you really look in detail at the track itself, you

1931
01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:38,800
Speaker 1: can figure out if it was really fresh or if

1932
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:41,760
Speaker 1: it's old. Same thing with like deer poop a lot

1933
01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:44,759
Speaker 1: of times. And like Greg was mentioning with the rubs earlier,

1934
01:44:44,840 --> 01:44:47,360
Speaker 1: with the bark land on top of freshly fallen leaves,

1935
01:44:48,439 --> 01:44:50,920
Speaker 1: I don't I don't really care during the rut if

1936
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:53,360
Speaker 1: there's a rub there that was made in late September

1937
01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:57,479
Speaker 1: early October. But if there's a rub there that shining bleeding,

1938
01:44:57,600 --> 01:45:01,040
Speaker 1: like Greg said, like what Dan Impult refers, that's something

1939
01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:04,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay really close attention to. I mean literally,

1940
01:45:04,040 --> 01:45:06,360
Speaker 1: we've taken three steps a lot of times past that

1941
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:09,519
Speaker 1: type of sign and bumped a giant buck because they're

1942
01:45:09,560 --> 01:45:12,400
Speaker 1: they're right on top of that fresh sign. And it's

1943
01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:15,880
Speaker 1: not that's not always the case, but fresh sign doesn't

1944
01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:18,599
Speaker 1: lie like that. I mean, we we've we've got into

1945
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:20,880
Speaker 1: big bucks in areas where there's very very little fresh

1946
01:45:20,920 --> 01:45:24,120
Speaker 1: sign um or it was extremely difficult to see. But

1947
01:45:24,160 --> 01:45:27,519
Speaker 1: when you do find it, it doesn't lie there. They're

1948
01:45:27,640 --> 01:45:32,519
Speaker 1: right there and they've they are usually not too far. Now,

1949
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:35,920
Speaker 1: what about a situation where you know, like like you

1950
01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:40,160
Speaker 1: guys are in most situations, at least in Iowa, is

1951
01:45:40,200 --> 01:45:42,479
Speaker 1: that you're you're looking for a mature buck, not just

1952
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:46,160
Speaker 1: any buck. So when you're you're hitting this first hot

1953
01:45:46,200 --> 01:45:50,280
Speaker 1: sign and it's fresh, but it's not obvious big bucks

1954
01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:52,720
Speaker 1: on you're not seeing an obvious big buck track. You're

1955
01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:54,920
Speaker 1: not seeing a thigh sized rub. But there's a bunch

1956
01:45:54,920 --> 01:45:57,920
Speaker 1: of fresh scrapes, fresh rubs, but but you don't know

1957
01:45:57,960 --> 01:46:00,960
Speaker 1: what it is. Is that still gonna stop you or

1958
01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:03,439
Speaker 1: do you need some kind of confirmation that, yeah, big

1959
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:06,000
Speaker 1: buck's been here here, because it's sometimes there's a difference

1960
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:08,840
Speaker 1: between you know, where young buck is gonna cruise versus

1961
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:13,080
Speaker 1: a big one. Yeah, And that's a great, great point um.

1962
01:46:13,120 --> 01:46:15,759
Speaker 1: The other day, for example, we were scouting. We found

1963
01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:19,200
Speaker 1: a fresh scrape amongst a pile of fresh rubs. But

1964
01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:22,800
Speaker 1: they were little bitty spindley rubs. They weren't worked real aggressively,

1965
01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:25,799
Speaker 1: and the fresh scrape was just pawed like one time,

1966
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:30,320
Speaker 1: and it would you could tell it hadn't been worked aggressively.

1967
01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:35,880
Speaker 1: And this I would say, this is just general advice.

1968
01:46:36,160 --> 01:46:38,600
Speaker 1: I don't know that this is the case in every situation,

1969
01:46:39,320 --> 01:46:43,840
Speaker 1: so bear with me on it here. But um, for

1970
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:45,880
Speaker 1: the most part, when a mature buck goes in there

1971
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:48,280
Speaker 1: and works just scrape, especially this time of year, they

1972
01:46:48,439 --> 01:46:52,280
Speaker 1: are gonna work it pretty aggressively, you know. But with

1973
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:53,840
Speaker 1: that said, I've seen a lot of them walk up

1974
01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:55,920
Speaker 1: to just the branch and work the laking branch and

1975
01:46:55,960 --> 01:47:03,280
Speaker 1: move on. However, aggressive rubbing, aggressive scraping, big tracks, that

1976
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:08,559
Speaker 1: tends to lend itself to a bigger animal some kind,

1977
01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:11,439
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it could be it depends on

1978
01:47:11,479 --> 01:47:13,679
Speaker 1: your area that you're hunting to. You know, it could

1979
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:17,120
Speaker 1: be a three year old buck in Missouri or in

1980
01:47:17,200 --> 01:47:21,040
Speaker 1: Michigan or something like that where that's you know, one

1981
01:47:21,080 --> 01:47:24,599
Speaker 1: of the older bucks in the area that's that's leaving

1982
01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:27,559
Speaker 1: that sign. But we've certainly seen that in Missouri this week,

1983
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:32,240
Speaker 1: we're hunting a low density area all timber um basically

1984
01:47:32,280 --> 01:47:35,920
Speaker 1: just acorn fat deer, and we ran into that the

1985
01:47:35,960 --> 01:47:38,400
Speaker 1: other day where there was there were several scrapes but

1986
01:47:38,439 --> 01:47:40,439
Speaker 1: they were not aggressive. It was the same spot you

1987
01:47:40,479 --> 01:47:44,240
Speaker 1: and Ted hunted uh in September greg where there's like

1988
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:48,160
Speaker 1: six seven scrapes. There's lots of rubs, but there was

1989
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:52,880
Speaker 1: there was very little aggressive fresh signing within that area

1990
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:55,360
Speaker 1: and all we saw was was little year and a

1991
01:47:55,400 --> 01:48:01,400
Speaker 1: half old bucks and no does so the type of sign,

1992
01:48:01,439 --> 01:48:03,559
Speaker 1: like you mentioned mark does matter if if that's what

1993
01:48:03,640 --> 01:48:07,679
Speaker 1: you're after is a mature buck. Um, yeah, I would

1994
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:12,040
Speaker 1: go ahead. Sorry, I was just gonna say, yeah, I mean,

1995
01:48:12,040 --> 01:48:14,840
Speaker 1: going back to that sign I found yesterday morning, going in,

1996
01:48:15,160 --> 01:48:19,040
Speaker 1: it was like pretty aggressive rubbing. There were saplings that

1997
01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:23,519
Speaker 1: were broken over. I mean just the bark was shredded. Uh.

1998
01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:26,559
Speaker 1: There was five or six fresh scrapes, well worked scrapes there.

1999
01:48:27,439 --> 01:48:31,479
Speaker 1: And then yeah, then we called that buck up out

2000
01:48:31,479 --> 01:48:34,200
Speaker 1: of that draw basically where all that sign was laid down.

2001
01:48:34,680 --> 01:48:37,000
Speaker 1: So that that to me was a good indication that

2002
01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:40,080
Speaker 1: there was some kind of older age class buck in

2003
01:48:40,120 --> 01:48:44,599
Speaker 1: that area with an aggressive, you know it seemingly aggressive demeanor.

2004
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:47,320
Speaker 1: And you know, sure enough that rattling sequence brought him

2005
01:48:47,360 --> 01:48:48,880
Speaker 1: up out of the drawal and he came right to

2006
01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:50,760
Speaker 1: the decoy. So that was that was one of those

2007
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:53,200
Speaker 1: situations where you know, it all all came together nicely

2008
01:48:53,240 --> 01:48:55,439
Speaker 1: and we assumed there was a good one in that area.

2009
01:48:55,880 --> 01:48:59,920
Speaker 1: But I guess for us, you know, we're not really

2010
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:01,840
Speaker 1: worried about shooting a you know, five year old buck

2011
01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:03,840
Speaker 1: in Iowa. You know, a nice three or four year

2012
01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:07,680
Speaker 1: old buck. Um good for us. I mean we're not

2013
01:49:07,720 --> 01:49:09,759
Speaker 1: We're just not super picky. But it's nice when you

2014
01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:14,000
Speaker 1: get those get those older bucks, especially the like want.

2015
01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:18,000
Speaker 1: Once you start talking about getting up in in five

2016
01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:21,519
Speaker 1: year old and older bucks, those are anomalies in in

2017
01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:24,559
Speaker 1: whatever environment you hunt in, including Iowa, unless you're on

2018
01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:28,000
Speaker 1: some big, big private manage tracked. I mean, you almost

2019
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:31,639
Speaker 1: have to hunt those deer specifically you know where you're

2020
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:34,880
Speaker 1: well I shouldn't say that you have to, but a

2021
01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:37,240
Speaker 1: five year old buck is gonna leave similar signed to

2022
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:40,719
Speaker 1: a to you know it charged up three year old buck. Yeah.

2023
01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:43,120
Speaker 1: A lot of times you might have a hundred fifty

2024
01:49:43,120 --> 01:49:45,720
Speaker 1: inch wide three year old buck that's just tearing up

2025
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:49,160
Speaker 1: the woods, you know, but in a lot of areas

2026
01:49:49,240 --> 01:49:52,560
Speaker 1: that's gonna get people pretty fired up, including me, regardless

2027
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:57,320
Speaker 1: of regardless of where it is. So um, yeah, I

2028
01:49:57,520 --> 01:49:59,840
Speaker 1: think what you just said there makes a lot of sense, Greg,

2029
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,360
Speaker 1: because that buck that we killed a couple of weeks

2030
01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:06,120
Speaker 1: ago that was in a that was in a similar scenario,

2031
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:09,720
Speaker 1: even though it's in mid October, and this was an

2032
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:12,840
Speaker 1: area that had very little deer sign in it, but

2033
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:15,200
Speaker 1: the little bit of deer sign that was there was

2034
01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:19,439
Speaker 1: big sign. Like we found just two rubs and no

2035
01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:22,559
Speaker 1: scrapes leading into this bedding area, but both the rubs

2036
01:50:22,600 --> 01:50:26,599
Speaker 1: were super fresh and they were huge and aggressive rubs.

2037
01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:28,479
Speaker 1: And then we went in there the next day and

2038
01:50:29,160 --> 01:50:31,360
Speaker 1: uh killed the mature buck and that was the only

2039
01:50:31,400 --> 01:50:34,920
Speaker 1: deer that we saw in there. So you know, if

2040
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:39,360
Speaker 1: that's what you're after, is a mature buck for your area,

2041
01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:41,960
Speaker 1: you might not run into a lot of that type

2042
01:50:41,960 --> 01:50:45,800
Speaker 1: of sign. But I mean several times where we're hunting

2043
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:48,920
Speaker 1: low density areas, we might just find one or two

2044
01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:51,920
Speaker 1: sets of big fresh tracks coming in and out of

2045
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:54,920
Speaker 1: a bedding area, especially if you find them going in

2046
01:50:55,280 --> 01:50:58,960
Speaker 1: and coming out and got on a mature in him

2047
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:04,800
Speaker 1: on a mature buck in that same area. You talked

2048
01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:08,599
Speaker 1: about betting areas a handful of times here when you're

2049
01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:10,680
Speaker 1: talking about the specific kind of scouting you would do.

2050
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:13,200
Speaker 1: You mentioned you're gonna carry the mail until you get

2051
01:51:13,240 --> 01:51:15,080
Speaker 1: to that next betting area, and then you'll slow down

2052
01:51:15,080 --> 01:51:16,400
Speaker 1: and focus on that, and then you want to hit

2053
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:20,320
Speaker 1: the next betting area. UM. And I know that focusing

2054
01:51:20,360 --> 01:51:23,040
Speaker 1: on betting is something you guys do religiously in a

2055
01:51:23,040 --> 01:51:24,840
Speaker 1: lot of cases. And you've talked in the past a

2056
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:27,679
Speaker 1: lot about buck betting areas and zeroing in on those

2057
01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:31,200
Speaker 1: during certain parts of the year. UM. Do you care

2058
01:51:31,200 --> 01:51:34,080
Speaker 1: about quote unquote buck betting at all during the rut

2059
01:51:34,120 --> 01:51:36,880
Speaker 1: or is it shifted to dough betting areas at this

2060
01:51:36,920 --> 01:51:42,840
Speaker 1: point or or if not, what's the mix? I would

2061
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:45,880
Speaker 1: say any sort of betting area, UM, is important during

2062
01:51:46,200 --> 01:51:49,719
Speaker 1: during the rod because even the spots with just does

2063
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:52,760
Speaker 1: and little bucks in it all of October, all that

2064
01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:55,559
Speaker 1: could change in in the matter of a few hours

2065
01:51:55,560 --> 01:52:00,000
Speaker 1: in the rud. I mean, uh, hot dog gets in there,

2066
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:01,960
Speaker 1: Sure buck is going to be in there and honor

2067
01:52:02,280 --> 01:52:07,240
Speaker 1: in you know, fairly quickly. And if you can somehow

2068
01:52:07,320 --> 01:52:10,839
Speaker 1: manage to stay with that hot dough through her breeding cycle,

2069
01:52:11,439 --> 01:52:15,200
Speaker 1: you're going to see all the whole gamut, you know,

2070
01:52:15,320 --> 01:52:19,120
Speaker 1: as far as the hierarchy of bucks in that area.

2071
01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:22,759
Speaker 1: We've seen that over and over again. It's like, man,

2072
01:52:22,920 --> 01:52:27,639
Speaker 1: when when you were when you founder, doesn't matter if

2073
01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:31,040
Speaker 1: it's forty yards from the car, they're all gonna be

2074
01:52:31,120 --> 01:52:34,080
Speaker 1: there sooner or later, or they're gonna push her out

2075
01:52:34,120 --> 01:52:35,719
Speaker 1: of there into the next spot, and they're all gonna

2076
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:39,720
Speaker 1: be there and that spot until they drop her and

2077
01:52:39,720 --> 01:52:42,559
Speaker 1: then they're gonna go to cruising. But uh, that's one

2078
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:46,559
Speaker 1: thing I'll say about. You know, big mature bucks, especially

2079
01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:51,000
Speaker 1: dominant bucks in an area, they just in a higher

2080
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:53,439
Speaker 1: deer ncy area, they don't see a cruise as much

2081
01:52:53,560 --> 01:52:57,639
Speaker 1: like the younger bucks will because they you know, they

2082
01:52:57,680 --> 01:53:00,439
Speaker 1: can't go in there and and push the big guy

2083
01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:03,720
Speaker 1: off the dough. But those big mature bucks, they there's

2084
01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:06,040
Speaker 1: so many deer in some of those areas. If you

2085
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:08,639
Speaker 1: think about Michigan or Pennsylvania where we just came from,

2086
01:53:08,680 --> 01:53:12,280
Speaker 1: there are so many doughs in those areas, and mature

2087
01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:15,000
Speaker 1: buck doesn't need to cruise until the end of the rut.

2088
01:53:16,640 --> 01:53:20,040
Speaker 1: I mean, for the most part, they don't. They're they're

2089
01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:22,439
Speaker 1: gonna bounce from you know, the first dough that's in

2090
01:53:22,520 --> 01:53:24,760
Speaker 1: heat to the next dough that's in heat, and they're

2091
01:53:24,760 --> 01:53:27,720
Speaker 1: gonna kick whatever small buck off of her that they

2092
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:30,439
Speaker 1: have to when she comes in, and if she's not

2093
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:33,240
Speaker 1: quite in yet, they're gonna hang back and stay with

2094
01:53:33,240 --> 01:53:35,280
Speaker 1: her in that general area. I mean, they might not

2095
01:53:35,320 --> 01:53:37,160
Speaker 1: be right on top of her, but they're gonna be

2096
01:53:37,200 --> 01:53:39,160
Speaker 1: in that general area until she does come in, and

2097
01:53:39,160 --> 01:53:41,200
Speaker 1: then they'll come in here and kick those little bucks off.

2098
01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:45,240
Speaker 1: So so let's let's paint a hypothetical scenare like that.

2099
01:53:45,320 --> 01:53:49,559
Speaker 1: Let's say you can see into a betting area. Maybe

2100
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:52,040
Speaker 1: it's like just tall, thick brushy grass and bushes and

2101
01:53:52,040 --> 01:53:54,559
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and for whatever reason, you were hunting

2102
01:53:54,640 --> 01:53:57,200
Speaker 1: kind of outside of it, and you could see into it,

2103
01:53:57,240 --> 01:54:00,280
Speaker 1: and you see a mature buck bumping a doll round.

2104
01:54:00,280 --> 01:54:03,160
Speaker 1: But he's it's not just one, but he's he's getting

2105
01:54:03,160 --> 01:54:06,639
Speaker 1: these checking does checking a family group, and it's getting there.

2106
01:54:06,760 --> 01:54:08,720
Speaker 1: But maybe it's not quite to the stage where he's

2107
01:54:08,760 --> 01:54:13,000
Speaker 1: locked on dogginger for five yards um, but to your point,

2108
01:54:13,080 --> 01:54:16,280
Speaker 1: you know, he's it's getting close. You're in that situation,

2109
01:54:17,760 --> 01:54:21,519
Speaker 1: do you move in as tight as you can on

2110
01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:24,920
Speaker 1: a downward edge where you can safely, you know, sit

2111
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:26,880
Speaker 1: and wait around for a while and just say okay,

2112
01:54:26,920 --> 01:54:29,760
Speaker 1: you know, over the next day or two, one of

2113
01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:31,880
Speaker 1: these does has gotta pop He's in here, this is

2114
01:54:31,880 --> 01:54:34,680
Speaker 1: a spot of interest. He's going to pass theeger eventually,

2115
01:54:35,320 --> 01:54:38,560
Speaker 1: or are you gonna zero in on exactly the tree

2116
01:54:38,640 --> 01:54:41,280
Speaker 1: you saw him go running by that's right in the middle,

2117
01:54:41,400 --> 01:54:42,920
Speaker 1: and try to dive in there to kill him the

2118
01:54:42,960 --> 01:54:45,880
Speaker 1: next morning exactly you know which you saw. I mean,

2119
01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:52,560
Speaker 1: how much do you chase specific observations versus zones? Mm hmm.

2120
01:54:53,480 --> 01:54:55,720
Speaker 1: That probably depends on the situation, but I would I

2121
01:54:55,760 --> 01:54:57,680
Speaker 1: would air more on the side of what Greg was

2122
01:54:57,680 --> 01:54:59,680
Speaker 1: talking about while ago when it comes to stage honey,

2123
01:55:00,040 --> 01:55:02,880
Speaker 1: m if I if I was in an area and

2124
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:04,560
Speaker 1: that kind of goes back, that's kind of like how

2125
01:55:04,600 --> 01:55:07,120
Speaker 1: that hunt played out last year, Gregg with that decoy

2126
01:55:07,160 --> 01:55:10,800
Speaker 1: buck on that little piece of walk in m We

2127
01:55:10,960 --> 01:55:14,400
Speaker 1: observed a bunch of doughs in there and amature buck

2128
01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:17,880
Speaker 1: in that scenario, and we basically just chipped away at

2129
01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:20,400
Speaker 1: that area for about three days until we got a shot.

2130
01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:23,760
Speaker 1: If you're bowl hunting, there's a lot of luck involved.

2131
01:55:23,800 --> 01:55:26,680
Speaker 1: I mean, especially in the rut, Like you gotta get

2132
01:55:26,720 --> 01:55:29,440
Speaker 1: those suckers within twenty five yards somehow or another. In

2133
01:55:29,680 --> 01:55:33,920
Speaker 1: their movements can be somewhat unpredictable. But if you do

2134
01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:37,280
Speaker 1: see that scenario that you're talking about, Mark, I would

2135
01:55:37,360 --> 01:55:41,520
Speaker 1: say move in tighter on the next sit when permitting,

2136
01:55:42,200 --> 01:55:46,920
Speaker 1: maybe not on the exact spot, um, but somewhere in

2137
01:55:47,000 --> 01:55:51,720
Speaker 1: and around that thing, because that buck isn't gonna move

2138
01:55:51,720 --> 01:55:54,040
Speaker 1: off very far, especially if there's a dough that you

2139
01:55:54,080 --> 01:55:56,560
Speaker 1: think is getting ready to come in, or there's a

2140
01:55:56,600 --> 01:55:59,680
Speaker 1: big group of dose in there. In general, like just

2141
01:56:00,120 --> 01:56:04,960
Speaker 1: Dan with those does and being in that area is

2142
01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:07,360
Speaker 1: gonna put you in the game. So I would say

2143
01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:09,600
Speaker 1: stay right in there with him. I mean, I'd be

2144
01:56:09,640 --> 01:56:12,360
Speaker 1: aggressive enough to getting tired enough to that vetting area

2145
01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:14,960
Speaker 1: to shoot into the edge of it where you could

2146
01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:17,440
Speaker 1: kill a buck if he was cruising down on the

2147
01:56:17,440 --> 01:56:21,680
Speaker 1: downland side or whatever. Um. I wouldn't sit back and

2148
01:56:21,720 --> 01:56:25,960
Speaker 1: just continue continuously observed that. Once I saw that movement,

2149
01:56:26,200 --> 01:56:28,360
Speaker 1: I would dive in there, but then I would stay

2150
01:56:28,480 --> 01:56:31,959
Speaker 1: hunt around it, you know, in different in different spots,

2151
01:56:32,560 --> 01:56:35,640
Speaker 1: until you know eventually they moved out of there or

2152
01:56:35,880 --> 01:56:40,680
Speaker 1: shot a buck. We would you say, Greg, yeah, I

2153
01:56:41,040 --> 01:56:43,160
Speaker 1: totally agree. And then also you know with that picture

2154
01:56:43,160 --> 01:56:46,160
Speaker 1: that you just painted, kind of going back to the decoys,

2155
01:56:46,200 --> 01:56:50,200
Speaker 1: you know, if possible you know, just using a decoy

2156
01:56:50,240 --> 01:56:51,760
Speaker 1: in that kind of scenario, you know, if if it

2157
01:56:51,800 --> 01:56:54,080
Speaker 1: makes sense. And Aaron's example of the decoy buck he

2158
01:56:54,120 --> 01:56:56,600
Speaker 1: killed last year, he was basically stage hunting that that

2159
01:56:56,720 --> 01:56:59,040
Speaker 1: property in but was using a decoy the entire time,

2160
01:56:59,080 --> 01:57:01,800
Speaker 1: and that eventually, you know, was how he killed. The

2161
01:57:01,800 --> 01:57:04,880
Speaker 1: buck rattled, you know, we saw the buck rattled and

2162
01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:08,160
Speaker 1: then what several minutes later the buck comes up over

2163
01:57:08,200 --> 01:57:10,640
Speaker 1: the horizon is right in your face. Yeah, And that

2164
01:57:10,760 --> 01:57:13,040
Speaker 1: morning we saw like how many different bucks in there

2165
01:57:13,040 --> 01:57:16,000
Speaker 1: on those doughs. I don't even know it was. There

2166
01:57:16,040 --> 01:57:17,600
Speaker 1: was there was a pile of him. I mean, there

2167
01:57:17,680 --> 01:57:19,840
Speaker 1: was a there was a big group, a family group

2168
01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:22,400
Speaker 1: of dose that was living in this tiny, tiny bedding

2169
01:57:22,440 --> 01:57:25,240
Speaker 1: area and this very very small, overlooked piece of walking

2170
01:57:25,360 --> 01:57:29,520
Speaker 1: hunting land, and for whatever reason, it was just off

2171
01:57:29,560 --> 01:57:31,880
Speaker 1: to the side. I mean, there's several larger pieces of

2172
01:57:31,880 --> 01:57:34,600
Speaker 1: public ground that are nearby. There are several thousand acres

2173
01:57:34,600 --> 01:57:37,520
Speaker 1: in size, and this one pieces like a couple hundred

2174
01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:40,880
Speaker 1: acres and it's mostly just grass with a few little

2175
01:57:40,960 --> 01:57:43,960
Speaker 1: draws in there. But there's a there's a couple of

2176
01:57:44,040 --> 01:57:48,160
Speaker 1: family groups of dos living in those draws and when

2177
01:57:48,480 --> 01:57:51,680
Speaker 1: one or more of those does is in heat or

2178
01:57:51,720 --> 01:57:54,400
Speaker 1: close to going in heat, that's when all the bucks

2179
01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:56,680
Speaker 1: in the area show up right there. And that's what

2180
01:57:56,920 --> 01:57:59,640
Speaker 1: we had in that scenario. We we got to that

2181
01:57:59,680 --> 01:58:02,200
Speaker 1: point by hunting the bigger public pieces and then running

2182
01:58:02,240 --> 01:58:04,360
Speaker 1: in the hunting pressure as we were talking about earlier,

2183
01:58:04,720 --> 01:58:07,800
Speaker 1: and eventually got sick of running in the hunter so

2184
01:58:07,880 --> 01:58:12,160
Speaker 1: we bounced around until we found that UM. But yeah,

2185
01:58:12,520 --> 01:58:14,640
Speaker 1: once we found it, it was just a stage deal.

2186
01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:18,560
Speaker 1: It took three days before we got our shot UM,

2187
01:58:18,680 --> 01:58:21,360
Speaker 1: but it was just bouncing in there, moving in a

2188
01:58:21,400 --> 01:58:23,680
Speaker 1: little bit at a time. I mean, I'm gonna say

2189
01:58:23,680 --> 01:58:28,720
Speaker 1: on that three acres there was three general betting draws

2190
01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:31,200
Speaker 1: in it. We're do you We're spending their time during

2191
01:58:31,240 --> 01:58:34,680
Speaker 1: the day, So we hunted. We hunted observation the first night,

2192
01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:38,280
Speaker 1: gathered data on all those draws from from watching does

2193
01:58:38,360 --> 01:58:41,120
Speaker 1: and bucks coming out of them. Second day we hunted

2194
01:58:41,280 --> 01:58:44,760
Speaker 1: draw number one. Second evening we hunted draw number two.

2195
01:58:45,320 --> 01:58:48,520
Speaker 1: Third morning we hunted draw number three, killed a black.

2196
01:58:51,160 --> 01:58:56,560
Speaker 1: Can you can you illustrate what you were thinking about

2197
01:58:56,880 --> 01:59:00,920
Speaker 1: and looking at when you chose the specific re on

2198
01:59:01,240 --> 01:59:03,280
Speaker 1: let's say you're day two or day three hunt as

2199
01:59:03,320 --> 01:59:05,520
Speaker 1: you so you you hung out in the edge and observed,

2200
01:59:05,560 --> 01:59:07,160
Speaker 1: but then in day two or three you're making a

2201
01:59:07,200 --> 01:59:10,240
Speaker 1: specific move to hit one of these draws. And and

2202
01:59:10,280 --> 01:59:12,480
Speaker 1: I think something that a lot of people struggle with

2203
01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:15,520
Speaker 1: is they know the general kind of spot that should

2204
01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:18,480
Speaker 1: be looking for, but it's it's kind of next level

2205
01:59:18,560 --> 01:59:19,840
Speaker 1: to be able to get to the point where you

2206
01:59:19,840 --> 01:59:22,800
Speaker 1: know how to pick the spot within the spot. Um

2207
01:59:22,960 --> 01:59:26,720
Speaker 1: can you describe if you recall um or make it

2208
01:59:26,800 --> 01:59:29,880
Speaker 1: up hypothetical or whatever, But the kinds of stuff that

2209
01:59:29,920 --> 01:59:33,400
Speaker 1: you would be specifically looking at, thinking about as you're

2210
01:59:34,240 --> 01:59:38,560
Speaker 1: picking the exact spot to hunt, the tree, the location

2211
01:59:38,720 --> 01:59:40,680
Speaker 1: that's going to make this work. I think that kind

2212
01:59:40,680 --> 01:59:44,800
Speaker 1: of illustration would help it kind of sink home for people. Well,

2213
01:59:44,840 --> 01:59:49,000
Speaker 1: when scouting or observing, you're watching these deer come out

2214
01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:52,480
Speaker 1: of these things, like that first evening when we observe

2215
01:59:52,640 --> 01:59:55,720
Speaker 1: dear coming out of those draws and sort of moving

2216
01:59:55,760 --> 02:00:00,320
Speaker 1: across that area. We're watching where those trails are, which

2217
02:00:00,360 --> 02:00:02,560
Speaker 1: side of the draw they're coming out of, you know,

2218
02:00:03,160 --> 02:00:06,400
Speaker 1: and or crossing into, and then making a game plan

2219
02:00:06,480 --> 02:00:09,680
Speaker 1: to set up on that trail the next morning. But

2220
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:11,920
Speaker 1: in the dark when we crept in there that morning.

2221
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:14,000
Speaker 1: We found a fresh scrape on the tip of the

2222
02:00:14,080 --> 02:00:16,560
Speaker 1: draw as we were moving up there, so we didn't

2223
02:00:16,560 --> 02:00:18,480
Speaker 1: even get to the trail where we saw the deer

2224
02:00:18,520 --> 02:00:21,000
Speaker 1: come out the evening before. We just set up over

2225
02:00:21,080 --> 02:00:24,080
Speaker 1: top of that scrape at the first available tree. In fact,

2226
02:00:24,120 --> 02:00:26,160
Speaker 1: there was actually an old tree stand in the tree

2227
02:00:26,680 --> 02:00:28,360
Speaker 1: um where somebody had hunted in the past, but they

2228
02:00:28,360 --> 02:00:34,480
Speaker 1: hadn't hunted it recently, so uh, in this particular instance,

2229
02:00:34,960 --> 02:00:39,720
Speaker 1: it was just observing movement and then going in and

2230
02:00:39,720 --> 02:00:43,360
Speaker 1: sitting on that depending on the wind, you know, I

2231
02:00:43,400 --> 02:00:45,320
Speaker 1: obviously don't want to set up on that trail with

2232
02:00:45,360 --> 02:00:47,240
Speaker 1: my wind blowing straight into it. I want to set

2233
02:00:47,320 --> 02:00:51,680
Speaker 1: up somewhere across from it where the wind is blown

2234
02:00:51,720 --> 02:00:55,000
Speaker 1: away from that predicted movement that we had that we

2235
02:00:55,000 --> 02:00:58,680
Speaker 1: had saw the night before. And there's I guess there's

2236
02:00:58,720 --> 02:01:03,560
Speaker 1: probably no real there were. There was just a few

2237
02:01:03,640 --> 02:01:07,480
Speaker 1: available trees in that draw to get into, and since

2238
02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:09,920
Speaker 1: that was only our second hunt into the area, I

2239
02:01:10,000 --> 02:01:12,040
Speaker 1: still wanted to be in a tree if I could,

2240
02:01:12,080 --> 02:01:15,760
Speaker 1: so that I could observe while I was hunting that

2241
02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:18,520
Speaker 1: that specific movement. Does that make sense, like I'm hunting

2242
02:01:18,560 --> 02:01:21,120
Speaker 1: the I'm hunting that twenty yard trail coming out of

2243
02:01:21,120 --> 02:01:23,400
Speaker 1: that draw that we watched her come out of the

2244
02:01:23,440 --> 02:01:26,840
Speaker 1: evening before. But I'm also getting in one of the

2245
02:01:26,920 --> 02:01:31,200
Speaker 1: few trees in there where I can observe across that

2246
02:01:31,480 --> 02:01:36,000
Speaker 1: most of that property. So you're you're in position to kill,

2247
02:01:36,240 --> 02:01:39,600
Speaker 1: but you're also gathering data from observing at that time too,

2248
02:01:41,080 --> 02:01:44,240
Speaker 1: At this time of year started start to cut off aaron.

2249
02:01:44,280 --> 02:01:46,840
Speaker 1: But at this time of year, when you're in the

2250
02:01:46,920 --> 02:01:49,520
Speaker 1: rut and you're you're doing something like what you just described,

2251
02:01:49,640 --> 02:01:52,960
Speaker 1: and you're trying to pick the tree, and you've got

2252
02:01:53,840 --> 02:01:57,160
Speaker 1: a tree that's in the perfect spot for the things

2253
02:01:57,160 --> 02:01:59,280
Speaker 1: you just described, you can observe, but you're also within

2254
02:01:59,440 --> 02:02:02,240
Speaker 1: range of the trail you want to be hunting, and

2255
02:02:02,240 --> 02:02:04,560
Speaker 1: the winds really good there. You've got that tree, but

2256
02:02:04,680 --> 02:02:08,240
Speaker 1: it's lousy for cover. It's a bean pole. Would you

2257
02:02:08,320 --> 02:02:10,600
Speaker 1: pick that one? Or would you pick the tree that's

2258
02:02:11,000 --> 02:02:13,800
Speaker 1: subpar location? Maybe you have to sacrifice on one of

2259
02:02:13,800 --> 02:02:17,880
Speaker 1: those three factors that just described site or shooting range

2260
02:02:18,040 --> 02:02:22,120
Speaker 1: or wind. But it's a big, old, gnarly, multi branched

2261
02:02:22,160 --> 02:02:24,680
Speaker 1: oak that you would be invisible and you can get

2262
02:02:24,720 --> 02:02:28,000
Speaker 1: away with murder um which would you choose or what

2263
02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:32,680
Speaker 1: would you be thinking about when trying to make that decision. Uh,

2264
02:02:32,760 --> 02:02:35,160
Speaker 1: it kind of depends on the specific conditions that day,

2265
02:02:35,240 --> 02:02:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, if it's But for the most part, we

2266
02:02:38,200 --> 02:02:41,520
Speaker 1: want to be able to shoot that trail. Um, because

2267
02:02:41,560 --> 02:02:43,760
Speaker 1: if you're sixty yards away in the perfect tree and

2268
02:02:43,800 --> 02:02:46,320
Speaker 1: a buck walks down that trail, your SLLL unless you

2269
02:02:46,320 --> 02:02:48,680
Speaker 1: have a decoy or something like what Greg's talking about,

2270
02:02:48,960 --> 02:02:51,200
Speaker 1: which is what we did burning into play on this

2271
02:02:51,280 --> 02:02:55,600
Speaker 1: particular hunt. Uh. Some as I said, and as you're

2272
02:02:55,600 --> 02:02:58,560
Speaker 1: alluding to, there wasn't a lot of good trees in there,

2273
02:02:59,320 --> 02:03:01,120
Speaker 1: so in order for us to place the deer in

2274
02:03:01,120 --> 02:03:03,080
Speaker 1: front of our stand, we had to use calling in

2275
02:03:03,080 --> 02:03:08,600
Speaker 1: a decoy. But in other types of scenarios, maybe you're

2276
02:03:08,600 --> 02:03:11,960
Speaker 1: not hunting an open scenario and it's thicker, or you're

2277
02:03:12,120 --> 02:03:14,720
Speaker 1: you're in big woods or something like that where deer

2278
02:03:14,760 --> 02:03:19,480
Speaker 1: can't see a decoy from a distance, I would I

2279
02:03:19,520 --> 02:03:23,240
Speaker 1: would err on the side of hunting right over the trail,

2280
02:03:23,280 --> 02:03:25,680
Speaker 1: even if the trees a bean pole. I mean, maybe

2281
02:03:25,920 --> 02:03:28,880
Speaker 1: a ground setup is better there where you can get

2282
02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:34,040
Speaker 1: more covered. Um. The main thing is you don't you

2283
02:03:34,080 --> 02:03:35,560
Speaker 1: either want to be able to place that deer in

2284
02:03:35,600 --> 02:03:37,200
Speaker 1: front of you with the use of a decoy you're

2285
02:03:37,240 --> 02:03:41,600
Speaker 1: calling or whatever, or you gotta set up where the

2286
02:03:41,640 --> 02:03:44,280
Speaker 1: deer is crossing through within bow range, because if you

2287
02:03:44,320 --> 02:03:46,640
Speaker 1: don't do either one of those things and a deer

2288
02:03:46,640 --> 02:03:49,160
Speaker 1: walks down that trail, you're not gonna be able to

2289
02:03:49,160 --> 02:03:51,000
Speaker 1: get a shot at him. And I feel like your

2290
02:03:51,200 --> 02:03:53,400
Speaker 1: your first time in that spot is going to be

2291
02:03:53,440 --> 02:03:56,040
Speaker 1: the time when you when you get your chance. Yeah,

2292
02:03:56,520 --> 02:03:59,080
Speaker 1: and would you agree that you probably can get away

2293
02:03:59,120 --> 02:04:00,600
Speaker 1: with a little bit more are in the rut to

2294
02:04:00,880 --> 02:04:03,640
Speaker 1: as far as it's you know that buck hopefully has

2295
02:04:03,640 --> 02:04:05,680
Speaker 1: other things on his mind other than picking you out

2296
02:04:05,680 --> 02:04:08,200
Speaker 1: of a tree. He might be cruising through fast or

2297
02:04:08,360 --> 02:04:10,920
Speaker 1: nose to the ground, that kind of thing too. I

2298
02:04:10,920 --> 02:04:13,040
Speaker 1: would say it depends on this scenario though. If you're

2299
02:04:13,080 --> 02:04:15,160
Speaker 1: hunting the edge of a betting area with a lot

2300
02:04:15,160 --> 02:04:17,560
Speaker 1: of deer in it and a lot of doughs, specifically

2301
02:04:17,880 --> 02:04:19,640
Speaker 1: like say you're hunting Michigan or p A where you've

2302
02:04:19,640 --> 02:04:22,920
Speaker 1: got lots of doughs and they are used to looking

2303
02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:26,880
Speaker 1: up in trees and hunters, um, you're gonna have to

2304
02:04:26,920 --> 02:04:29,680
Speaker 1: be real careful with that. But if you're in a

2305
02:04:29,720 --> 02:04:33,400
Speaker 1: scenario like where I'm talking about UM, in this particular example,

2306
02:04:33,440 --> 02:04:40,160
Speaker 1: there's not high deer density overall, UM, And in that scenario,

2307
02:04:40,240 --> 02:04:42,920
Speaker 1: you're likely gonna see, you know, a couple of deer

2308
02:04:43,240 --> 02:04:45,320
Speaker 1: on your set, and one of them might be a

2309
02:04:45,360 --> 02:04:47,400
Speaker 1: buck that you want to shoot. So I'm willing to

2310
02:04:47,440 --> 02:04:50,360
Speaker 1: sacrifice that cover in order to get the shot. But

2311
02:04:50,600 --> 02:04:52,760
Speaker 1: if I'm inna If I'm in a scenario, say it's

2312
02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:55,080
Speaker 1: an evening hunt in a bunch of deer leaving a

2313
02:04:55,080 --> 02:04:57,040
Speaker 1: betting area and they're heading to a food source, a

2314
02:04:57,040 --> 02:05:00,440
Speaker 1: bunch of doughs specifically, maybe it's the big getting or

2315
02:05:00,520 --> 02:05:03,640
Speaker 1: the end of the rut, and it's like like that

2316
02:05:03,680 --> 02:05:06,360
Speaker 1: scenario you're talking about earlier where they haven't popped yet.

2317
02:05:06,400 --> 02:05:10,320
Speaker 1: They are, they're close, but they're not quite in heat yet. Well,

2318
02:05:10,840 --> 02:05:13,560
Speaker 1: big boy is gonna lay back behind them and come

2319
02:05:13,560 --> 02:05:18,280
Speaker 1: out after they've all went through the danger zone outside

2320
02:05:18,360 --> 02:05:22,880
Speaker 1: betting area, you know how they do so, and that's it.

2321
02:05:23,160 --> 02:05:27,440
Speaker 1: In that situation, you've got a prioritized cover. Otherwise a

2322
02:05:27,520 --> 02:05:29,240
Speaker 1: mature does is going to walk through there and bust you,

2323
02:05:29,280 --> 02:05:32,040
Speaker 1: and that's gonna be the end of your night. UM.

2324
02:05:32,080 --> 02:05:35,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, it all goes back to the situation, but

2325
02:05:36,080 --> 02:05:39,200
Speaker 1: if possible, I'm trying to get hidden where I can

2326
02:05:39,240 --> 02:05:44,919
Speaker 1: shoot that trail. Yeah, I'm I'm living the second scenario

2327
02:05:44,960 --> 02:05:47,520
Speaker 1: you described right now, and that I'm I'm chasing the

2328
02:05:47,560 --> 02:05:52,040
Speaker 1: buck and there's ten million dolls around here and anytime

2329
02:05:52,080 --> 02:05:53,920
Speaker 1: you want to get into the good stuff where I

2330
02:05:53,960 --> 02:05:55,720
Speaker 1: know this buck is spending time where I've had a

2331
02:05:55,800 --> 02:06:00,680
Speaker 1: couple of observations, it's just nearly impossible to it away

2332
02:06:00,800 --> 02:06:03,720
Speaker 1: with not having a dough go down whin do you

2333
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:06,720
Speaker 1: eventually because they're just criss crossing. So it's this constant

2334
02:06:06,760 --> 02:06:09,760
Speaker 1: battle between wanting to get to where you need to

2335
02:06:09,760 --> 02:06:12,640
Speaker 1: be to shoot the buck while also figuring out how

2336
02:06:12,680 --> 02:06:15,520
Speaker 1: to do that without other deer figuring you out. And

2337
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:20,080
Speaker 1: that's a tight that's a tight rope back. That's that's

2338
02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:25,080
Speaker 1: it's very tough and honestly, like, I'm not in your situation,

2339
02:06:25,120 --> 02:06:27,040
Speaker 1: so I couldn't even begin to tell you what to do.

2340
02:06:27,200 --> 02:06:32,200
Speaker 1: But I mean a wet, windy day of any kind

2341
02:06:32,360 --> 02:06:34,440
Speaker 1: where you can slide in the back door there is

2342
02:06:34,480 --> 02:06:36,920
Speaker 1: your is your friend, and those types of scenarios what

2343
02:06:37,040 --> 02:06:40,760
Speaker 1: we've found. Anyway, it's like, man, when when it's wet

2344
02:06:40,760 --> 02:06:44,000
Speaker 1: and windy. Those deer you can just get away with murder,

2345
02:06:44,120 --> 02:06:46,600
Speaker 1: meaning walk right by him in the dark. As long

2346
02:06:46,640 --> 02:06:48,600
Speaker 1: as the wind is in your favor, you can. You

2347
02:06:48,640 --> 02:06:52,400
Speaker 1: can walk by a lot of deer without spooking them.

2348
02:06:52,760 --> 02:06:54,440
Speaker 1: But I mean, if it's gonna be like it is

2349
02:06:54,480 --> 02:06:57,720
Speaker 1: tomorrow morning, where it's frosty and crunchy and dead calm,

2350
02:06:58,360 --> 02:07:04,360
Speaker 1: extremely difficult, not the day. Yeah, I've been I've been

2351
02:07:04,440 --> 02:07:08,400
Speaker 1: dying for a nice, crisp, consistent wind. The last couple

2352
02:07:08,400 --> 02:07:12,000
Speaker 1: of days. I've been hunting a spot where that description

2353
02:07:12,040 --> 02:07:13,720
Speaker 1: I just gave you, where there's all these doughs and

2354
02:07:13,760 --> 02:07:16,640
Speaker 1: this this buckum after I'm having these nights where as

2355
02:07:16,680 --> 02:07:19,600
Speaker 1: it often does, where the winds will die down towards

2356
02:07:19,640 --> 02:07:22,320
Speaker 1: the end of evening. But it's been extreme. It's gone

2357
02:07:22,360 --> 02:07:24,720
Speaker 1: from a nice, good wind to zero at the end.

2358
02:07:25,240 --> 02:07:28,080
Speaker 1: And then I've had I've been in a situation where

2359
02:07:28,120 --> 02:07:30,480
Speaker 1: I'm not getting the high pressure thermal's lifting up or anything.

2360
02:07:30,480 --> 02:07:33,880
Speaker 1: It's just pooling around the bottom and little swirls and stuff.

2361
02:07:34,000 --> 02:07:36,760
Speaker 1: And you know, even when I went in thinking that

2362
02:07:36,840 --> 02:07:39,720
Speaker 1: wind was gonna be great, when you've got ten fifteen

2363
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:43,360
Speaker 1: does coming from different directions and if one gets squirrel

2364
02:07:43,400 --> 02:07:45,240
Speaker 1: in every single damn one of these deer looks in

2365
02:07:45,320 --> 02:07:48,560
Speaker 1: every tree they walk past, and then you just know

2366
02:07:49,200 --> 02:07:53,280
Speaker 1: the jig is up again. Um It's it's interesting, that's

2367
02:07:53,320 --> 02:07:56,360
Speaker 1: for sure. But but Greg, before we move on, I

2368
02:07:56,400 --> 02:07:59,560
Speaker 1: want to make sure to get your thoughts on um

2369
02:07:59,680 --> 02:08:02,000
Speaker 1: on we were just talking about there with Aaron, as

2370
02:08:02,040 --> 02:08:04,720
Speaker 1: far as some of the detail stuff you would look

2371
02:08:04,720 --> 02:08:06,720
Speaker 1: at when trying to pick the spot within the spot

2372
02:08:07,320 --> 02:08:11,040
Speaker 1: um or picking the right tree, anything else that you

2373
02:08:11,080 --> 02:08:13,240
Speaker 1: do or think about that we didn't cover there yet.

2374
02:08:15,160 --> 02:08:17,400
Speaker 1: Not really I would, I guess I would mention that

2375
02:08:18,200 --> 02:08:20,240
Speaker 1: I think you can get away with more, especially like

2376
02:08:20,240 --> 02:08:22,360
Speaker 1: in small trees, if you're hunting out of a tree saddle,

2377
02:08:23,200 --> 02:08:26,040
Speaker 1: um or even even hunting off the ground like we've

2378
02:08:26,080 --> 02:08:28,200
Speaker 1: just gotten away with was set ups that I think

2379
02:08:28,200 --> 02:08:30,880
Speaker 1: a lot of people just you know, I wouldn't think

2380
02:08:30,880 --> 02:08:33,600
Speaker 1: it's possible. I just wouldn't think to do it. And

2381
02:08:33,680 --> 02:08:37,480
Speaker 1: tree saddles are amazing, especially with one person. With two

2382
02:08:37,520 --> 02:08:40,600
Speaker 1: people gets a little bit tough. But man, if you

2383
02:08:40,720 --> 02:08:43,440
Speaker 1: got a trunk that you know, just you know, barely

2384
02:08:43,440 --> 02:08:45,360
Speaker 1: big enough to hide behind, or even if you can,

2385
02:08:45,440 --> 02:08:47,120
Speaker 1: you know, if it's not if you can rotate your

2386
02:08:47,200 --> 02:08:49,360
Speaker 1: right way around the tree. Is you know, deer coming

2387
02:08:49,360 --> 02:08:53,080
Speaker 1: in to hide your profile. Um, yeah, I think that's

2388
02:08:53,120 --> 02:08:55,600
Speaker 1: a great way to to get in in close to

2389
02:08:55,640 --> 02:08:59,040
Speaker 1: those situations. Or just hunting off the ground. Um, you know,

2390
02:08:59,080 --> 02:09:01,080
Speaker 1: if it's legal where where you're at, the build up,

2391
02:09:01,080 --> 02:09:02,760
Speaker 1: a little bit of a ground blind, get some front cover,

2392
02:09:02,840 --> 02:09:05,840
Speaker 1: get some back cover. You know, we've I don't know

2393
02:09:05,880 --> 02:09:07,960
Speaker 1: how many times we've been in the situations where you know,

2394
02:09:08,000 --> 02:09:09,920
Speaker 1: we've ended up shooting a deer because we had to

2395
02:09:09,920 --> 02:09:11,400
Speaker 1: get to a certain spot and we just had to

2396
02:09:11,440 --> 02:09:13,320
Speaker 1: make it work. And a lot of times it's resorted

2397
02:09:13,320 --> 02:09:16,000
Speaker 1: to hunting off the ground or or you know, I'm

2398
02:09:16,000 --> 02:09:18,520
Speaker 1: just making do with with what you have, and especially

2399
02:09:18,560 --> 02:09:20,520
Speaker 1: with like with the saddles are an advantage if you

2400
02:09:20,520 --> 02:09:22,839
Speaker 1: can hide behind the trunk of a small tree. Yeah,

2401
02:09:23,080 --> 02:09:25,680
Speaker 1: all right, what about this scenario because I hunt out

2402
02:09:25,680 --> 02:09:28,080
Speaker 1: of a saddle to love him, as these guys describe,

2403
02:09:28,080 --> 02:09:29,920
Speaker 1: it gives you a lot of benefits. But one of

2404
02:09:29,920 --> 02:09:33,320
Speaker 1: the things I've wondered, so imagine you're in a situation

2405
02:09:33,320 --> 02:09:36,040
Speaker 1: where you can't use the trunk to hide you, so

2406
02:09:36,520 --> 02:09:41,000
Speaker 1: the deer going to be exposed to you to some degree. Um,

2407
02:09:41,080 --> 02:09:43,040
Speaker 1: And I know this can depend on how many branches

2408
02:09:43,040 --> 02:09:45,120
Speaker 1: and everything and the cover in the tree. But what

2409
02:09:45,440 --> 02:09:47,800
Speaker 1: something I've wondered is when you've got that big, old,

2410
02:09:47,800 --> 02:09:49,920
Speaker 1: mature dell that's gonna walk by you, and you know,

2411
02:09:50,720 --> 02:09:52,640
Speaker 1: all right, this is the moment of truth. You know

2412
02:09:52,640 --> 02:09:55,320
Speaker 1: it's coming up. She's gonna come by close, and you

2413
02:09:55,440 --> 02:10:00,000
Speaker 1: need to do you know where you're trying to become invisible? Um?

2414
02:10:00,160 --> 02:10:02,320
Speaker 1: Do you do you try to stand as tight to

2415
02:10:02,360 --> 02:10:04,640
Speaker 1: the tree trunk as possible and try blending with a

2416
02:10:04,640 --> 02:10:07,160
Speaker 1: trunk or do you lean back and try to have

2417
02:10:07,280 --> 02:10:10,960
Speaker 1: that kind of angle position like a true branch coming up? Um?

2418
02:10:11,160 --> 02:10:13,960
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Oh? Yeah, back what

2419
02:10:14,040 --> 02:10:16,280
Speaker 1: you mean? That's that's a good question. I guess I

2420
02:10:16,680 --> 02:10:18,920
Speaker 1: find myself just trying to hide, hide tight to the

2421
02:10:18,920 --> 02:10:20,960
Speaker 1: trunk of the tree. That's usually what I do. But

2422
02:10:21,000 --> 02:10:24,880
Speaker 1: I wonder if maybe something yeah, just just just be

2423
02:10:24,960 --> 02:10:28,800
Speaker 1: the branch. What do you think? Yeah? Another thing that

2424
02:10:28,880 --> 02:10:32,040
Speaker 1: the ground uh helps with the ground set up in

2425
02:10:32,040 --> 02:10:38,480
Speaker 1: that scenario is you you can move a lot quicker

2426
02:10:38,480 --> 02:10:41,680
Speaker 1: and easier. So say, say you're not hunting over a

2427
02:10:41,680 --> 02:10:44,360
Speaker 1: food plotter directly over a food source, but you're hunting.

2428
02:10:44,360 --> 02:10:47,240
Speaker 1: That transition coming out of bedding from betting to food

2429
02:10:48,040 --> 02:10:49,840
Speaker 1: and you have mature does come by an hour and

2430
02:10:49,880 --> 02:10:52,240
Speaker 1: a half before dark. If you can lay back sixty

2431
02:10:52,320 --> 02:10:56,320
Speaker 1: seventy yards away from that trail, you know, while those

2432
02:10:56,360 --> 02:10:59,120
Speaker 1: doughs are coming by, wait for the doughs to move by,

2433
02:10:59,360 --> 02:11:04,919
Speaker 1: and then make you know, a quiet but quick effort

2434
02:11:05,000 --> 02:11:07,080
Speaker 1: to get up there within twenty yards of that trail

2435
02:11:07,400 --> 02:11:10,200
Speaker 1: to shoot the deer that's gonna come last. After that.

2436
02:11:10,600 --> 02:11:13,440
Speaker 1: Sometimes you can have luck doing that as well. You

2437
02:11:13,440 --> 02:11:15,480
Speaker 1: know what. That's where the ground will give you the

2438
02:11:15,520 --> 02:11:18,520
Speaker 1: advantage over being in a tree, because once you're up there,

2439
02:11:18,960 --> 02:11:21,000
Speaker 1: you know that is that is one good thing I

2440
02:11:21,040 --> 02:11:23,360
Speaker 1: will say about the saddles is I mean, we just

2441
02:11:23,400 --> 02:11:25,960
Speaker 1: did that a couple, you know, last week or whatever.

2442
02:11:26,040 --> 02:11:29,680
Speaker 1: We observed from the tree. Um saw the buck moving

2443
02:11:29,880 --> 02:11:31,920
Speaker 1: fifty yards away and then got down out of the

2444
02:11:31,920 --> 02:11:33,800
Speaker 1: tree and then moved to get in position to kill

2445
02:11:33,880 --> 02:11:41,000
Speaker 1: him within ten minutes or whatever. So it's it's definitely doable, um.

2446
02:11:41,040 --> 02:11:43,240
Speaker 1: And it just depends on the situation that you're in.

2447
02:11:43,320 --> 02:11:45,320
Speaker 1: If you're hunting a food pot or something like that, though,

2448
02:11:45,360 --> 02:11:49,160
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, or an area where deer congregating the

2449
02:11:49,320 --> 02:11:52,280
Speaker 1: last light. Then you obviously can't get away with that.

2450
02:11:52,640 --> 02:11:56,480
Speaker 1: But just thought, I guess, yeah, I think overcoming those

2451
02:11:56,520 --> 02:11:58,600
Speaker 1: mental blocks that you can't get down and go after

2452
02:11:58,680 --> 02:12:00,480
Speaker 1: a deer. I mean, you go back. It's one the eighteen,

2453
02:12:00,520 --> 02:12:02,440
Speaker 1: and that's what Jake and Ted did. Ted shot the

2454
02:12:02,480 --> 02:12:05,600
Speaker 1: buck of a lifetime by seeing bucks cruising on the trail.

2455
02:12:05,800 --> 02:12:08,680
Speaker 1: They were sixty seven yards away. However, far got down

2456
02:12:08,880 --> 02:12:11,360
Speaker 1: in You know when the last half hour of the

2457
02:12:11,480 --> 02:12:14,880
Speaker 1: of the hunt made a quick grown blind and this

2458
02:12:15,000 --> 02:12:16,560
Speaker 1: buck comes by on the same trail and he you

2459
02:12:16,640 --> 02:12:19,480
Speaker 1: shoot him at twenty yards. Same thing the other day.

2460
02:12:19,480 --> 02:12:20,680
Speaker 1: You know a lot of people would think, oh, I

2461
02:12:20,720 --> 02:12:23,000
Speaker 1: can't get down the buck is there's fifty yards just

2462
02:12:23,160 --> 02:12:24,840
Speaker 1: over the ridge. I can't get down. But you know

2463
02:12:24,920 --> 02:12:27,600
Speaker 1: he ends up killing a great buck by being smart

2464
02:12:27,680 --> 02:12:30,200
Speaker 1: and aggressive at the same time. Yeah, man, that was

2465
02:12:30,200 --> 02:12:32,440
Speaker 1: a great buck. Aaron. I gotta ask THEO did you

2466
02:12:32,520 --> 02:12:35,080
Speaker 1: check his ears and eyes? Are you sure you didn't

2467
02:12:35,120 --> 02:12:37,720
Speaker 1: have like some serious damage to some of those senses.

2468
02:12:37,800 --> 02:12:42,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe. I believe that could not hear me.

2469
02:12:43,040 --> 02:12:46,560
Speaker 1: I was grinding as loud as I could, And I

2470
02:12:46,560 --> 02:12:48,720
Speaker 1: mean some people were saying that they thought that he

2471
02:12:48,800 --> 02:12:51,560
Speaker 1: heard it and picked up his head a few times. Um,

2472
02:12:51,680 --> 02:12:55,480
Speaker 1: and he just didn't care, which might have been the case. Um,

2473
02:12:55,600 --> 02:12:57,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, his senses were working fairly

2474
02:12:57,920 --> 02:12:59,760
Speaker 1: well because we spooked the crap out of me the

2475
02:12:59,840 --> 02:13:04,120
Speaker 1: day before that. But he definitely he did have like

2476
02:13:04,160 --> 02:13:06,880
Speaker 1: a cataract or something in his right eye. His right

2477
02:13:06,920 --> 02:13:10,440
Speaker 1: eye looked funky, and his left eye looked fine, um,

2478
02:13:10,960 --> 02:13:13,760
Speaker 1: but his right eye did look funky. And in the footage,

2479
02:13:13,760 --> 02:13:15,840
Speaker 1: it looks like I'm just in the wide open woods

2480
02:13:15,840 --> 02:13:19,520
Speaker 1: where I shoot him. But but we were actually up

2481
02:13:19,560 --> 02:13:22,320
Speaker 1: in this big dead fall with a bunch of back cover,

2482
02:13:22,880 --> 02:13:25,520
Speaker 1: you know, in shadows and stuff. So that's I think

2483
02:13:25,600 --> 02:13:29,920
Speaker 1: that is another reason why he couldn't see us, you know,

2484
02:13:30,080 --> 02:13:33,600
Speaker 1: and just standing there. Obviously you're worse worth sitting in

2485
02:13:33,600 --> 02:13:36,520
Speaker 1: that big deadfall pointing out towards the deer. But we

2486
02:13:36,560 --> 02:13:38,880
Speaker 1: probably should have thrown back to the dead fall where

2487
02:13:38,880 --> 02:13:41,560
Speaker 1: you could see where we were actually hit. Um. It

2488
02:13:41,640 --> 02:13:45,560
Speaker 1: was just a huge, you know, horizontal trunk that was

2489
02:13:45,600 --> 02:13:48,920
Speaker 1: coming over there. It was it was perfect little set

2490
02:13:49,000 --> 02:13:53,280
Speaker 1: up for on the ground. Yeah, and that worked out perfect,

2491
02:13:53,440 --> 02:13:56,080
Speaker 1: that's for sure. That's what I like about hunting out

2492
02:13:56,080 --> 02:13:58,080
Speaker 1: of the tree and the ground. I mean, any it's

2493
02:13:58,120 --> 02:14:01,840
Speaker 1: just hunting, um uh, regardless of how you do it,

2494
02:14:01,840 --> 02:14:03,920
Speaker 1: whether you dig a freaking hole in the ground, or

2495
02:14:03,960 --> 02:14:06,400
Speaker 1: you're hunting out of them out of an elevated box,

2496
02:14:06,480 --> 02:14:10,400
Speaker 1: blind or whatever. I mean, it doesn't matter. The main thing, though,

2497
02:14:10,680 --> 02:14:13,680
Speaker 1: is is being able to get close enough to deer

2498
02:14:13,720 --> 02:14:16,400
Speaker 1: to shoot him with a bow. If you're not close enough,

2499
02:14:16,480 --> 02:14:19,200
Speaker 1: then you're not gonna get a chance. And the tree

2500
02:14:19,640 --> 02:14:23,240
Speaker 1: helps tremendously in that hunt, particularly because once we got

2501
02:14:23,240 --> 02:14:25,000
Speaker 1: to the ground, we couldn't even see in the betting

2502
02:14:25,000 --> 02:14:27,800
Speaker 1: area where he was at, so you know, we were

2503
02:14:27,840 --> 02:14:30,200
Speaker 1: able to observe in there. Like we've been talking about

2504
02:14:30,240 --> 02:14:33,960
Speaker 1: throughout this uh podcast, is like when you can get

2505
02:14:34,040 --> 02:14:36,720
Speaker 1: up high and you can observe a great distance and

2506
02:14:37,000 --> 02:14:40,560
Speaker 1: observe movement of what the deer doing right now, you

2507
02:14:40,600 --> 02:14:44,160
Speaker 1: can gain a ton of information and then get down

2508
02:14:44,160 --> 02:14:49,320
Speaker 1: and go get them. So here's another scenario, and it's

2509
02:14:49,360 --> 02:14:52,720
Speaker 1: probably gonna be pretty pretty similar to some of the

2510
02:14:52,720 --> 02:14:54,480
Speaker 1: things you guys described, but I just want to see

2511
02:14:54,480 --> 02:14:58,480
Speaker 1: if this unique situation a cused any other ideas. UM.

2512
02:14:59,040 --> 02:15:01,040
Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about Uh, if we saw

2513
02:15:01,080 --> 02:15:03,040
Speaker 1: a buck that was kind of bumping some doughs around,

2514
02:15:03,040 --> 02:15:05,320
Speaker 1: but they weren't quite ready yet, And what you guys do.

2515
02:15:05,800 --> 02:15:08,000
Speaker 1: What about the situation that a lot of guys might

2516
02:15:08,080 --> 02:15:11,720
Speaker 1: see on the seventh of November or fifteen November, which

2517
02:15:11,760 --> 02:15:14,400
Speaker 1: is they see a buck locked on a dough and

2518
02:15:14,480 --> 02:15:17,480
Speaker 1: he sees, you know, push that dough into a little

2519
02:15:17,560 --> 02:15:20,400
Speaker 1: pocket of cover and they're in there, and it's ten

2520
02:15:20,400 --> 02:15:24,080
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. Um, can you walk me through

2521
02:15:24,520 --> 02:15:28,000
Speaker 1: what you're thinking about in that situation? I know they're right,

2522
02:15:28,520 --> 02:15:30,200
Speaker 1: is it windy, is it rainy? Could you make a

2523
02:15:30,200 --> 02:15:32,440
Speaker 1: move or do you sneak in later? I mean, I

2524
02:15:32,480 --> 02:15:35,960
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of situations specific stuff, but but Aaron,

2525
02:15:36,040 --> 02:15:38,480
Speaker 1: maybe walk me through a few of your thoughts when

2526
02:15:38,520 --> 02:15:41,600
Speaker 1: you see that and and what options might you consider

2527
02:15:41,680 --> 02:15:44,880
Speaker 1: on the table for what to do next. We've been

2528
02:15:44,920 --> 02:15:47,080
Speaker 1: in that scenario before. Haven we dragged for about four

2529
02:15:48,240 --> 02:15:56,720
Speaker 1: one day? Yeah? Um, I would I would say, as

2530
02:15:56,760 --> 02:16:00,240
Speaker 1: long as you don't scoop the dough, you can get

2531
02:16:00,240 --> 02:16:05,560
Speaker 1: away with just about anything. Um that that mature buck,

2532
02:16:05,560 --> 02:16:08,480
Speaker 1: which he's in heat, he is not gonna leave her.

2533
02:16:08,600 --> 02:16:11,160
Speaker 1: I mean you can, like I said, Zach practically walked

2534
02:16:11,240 --> 02:16:13,080
Speaker 1: up to one and shot at New York. I mean

2535
02:16:13,160 --> 02:16:17,440
Speaker 1: literally just on a walking path and the thing, you know,

2536
02:16:17,960 --> 02:16:20,800
Speaker 1: was just half dumb. That's just the way they act

2537
02:16:20,800 --> 02:16:23,920
Speaker 1: when they're with with the dough. But like Greg alluded

2538
02:16:23,960 --> 02:16:27,680
Speaker 1: to earlier, they all push them up in those spots

2539
02:16:27,680 --> 02:16:31,360
Speaker 1: that are just funky and weird. And that's why people struggle,

2540
02:16:31,400 --> 02:16:33,840
Speaker 1: I think with the lockdown, and I've struggled with it

2541
02:16:33,879 --> 02:16:37,040
Speaker 1: for many, many years, is because we're hunting the same

2542
02:16:37,080 --> 02:16:41,240
Speaker 1: old spots, you know, a funnel or whatever, back where

2543
02:16:41,240 --> 02:16:44,520
Speaker 1: we've seen deer through October and early November, expecting to

2544
02:16:44,560 --> 02:16:48,039
Speaker 1: see the big guy when he's got that dough sequestered

2545
02:16:48,040 --> 02:16:51,040
Speaker 1: off somewhere in a tiny little thick pocket of brush

2546
02:16:51,160 --> 02:16:54,560
Speaker 1: or a fence row or a waterway or like up

2547
02:16:54,560 --> 02:16:58,760
Speaker 1: against a river or railroad tracks whatever. Um, he's got

2548
02:16:58,760 --> 02:17:02,600
Speaker 1: her pushed out there away from the other deer because

2549
02:17:02,879 --> 02:17:05,640
Speaker 1: they're trying to breed and he's trying to fend off

2550
02:17:05,640 --> 02:17:09,920
Speaker 1: those other bucks. So in that scenario, I think it's

2551
02:17:09,920 --> 02:17:12,880
Speaker 1: best to just inch in there and get get the

2552
02:17:12,920 --> 02:17:15,320
Speaker 1: win right, and get right in there as close as

2553
02:17:15,360 --> 02:17:17,600
Speaker 1: you possibly can without spooking the dough and if you

2554
02:17:17,640 --> 02:17:21,280
Speaker 1: can use decoys and in calling, that can work extremely

2555
02:17:21,280 --> 02:17:25,120
Speaker 1: well too. But you've got to get within their bubble.

2556
02:17:25,680 --> 02:17:28,640
Speaker 1: It's like you have to You've got to get within

2557
02:17:29,240 --> 02:17:31,680
Speaker 1: you know, a hundred yards of that thing to challenge

2558
02:17:31,720 --> 02:17:33,560
Speaker 1: him enough to come over there and run you off

2559
02:17:34,240 --> 02:17:36,400
Speaker 1: unless you lose this track of the dough, which has

2560
02:17:36,440 --> 02:17:39,240
Speaker 1: happened to us in the past before, and they've come,

2561
02:17:39,480 --> 02:17:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, stiff legged, walking all the way across the

2562
02:17:42,160 --> 02:17:46,760
Speaker 1: field to you. So it kind of depends on the scenario.

2563
02:17:46,879 --> 02:17:49,320
Speaker 1: But the main thing is just to stay with them

2564
02:17:49,360 --> 02:17:52,320
Speaker 1: as long as you can, and you and look for

2565
02:17:52,480 --> 02:17:55,480
Speaker 1: your opportunity to get in there. Say, for instance, you're

2566
02:17:55,520 --> 02:17:57,280
Speaker 1: watching him and watching him and watching them for two

2567
02:17:57,360 --> 02:18:00,440
Speaker 1: hundred yards and they both lay down in the day

2568
02:18:00,480 --> 02:18:03,480
Speaker 1: winds pick up. Well, there's your there's your chance. Now

2569
02:18:03,680 --> 02:18:06,080
Speaker 1: maybe you can start to crawl in there and get tighter.

2570
02:18:07,080 --> 02:18:10,360
Speaker 1: The main thing is, though, don't spook the dough. You

2571
02:18:10,440 --> 02:18:12,720
Speaker 1: spook her, then you're gonna start all over it again.

2572
02:18:13,040 --> 02:18:14,959
Speaker 1: And they may only run three d yards and then

2573
02:18:14,959 --> 02:18:17,320
Speaker 1: go right back to what they were doing. But you

2574
02:18:17,360 --> 02:18:20,120
Speaker 1: can get away with him staring a hole right through you.

2575
02:18:20,280 --> 02:18:23,200
Speaker 1: But once she figures you out, Um, he's gonna go

2576
02:18:23,280 --> 02:18:27,320
Speaker 1: with her. Now. A lot of times these bucks will

2577
02:18:27,480 --> 02:18:30,400
Speaker 1: hook up with the dough and you know, spend a

2578
02:18:30,400 --> 02:18:32,560
Speaker 1: couple of days with her and and be on her

2579
02:18:32,640 --> 02:18:34,920
Speaker 1: side at all times. How long will you sit on

2580
02:18:34,959 --> 02:18:36,959
Speaker 1: a spot like that? So let's say you see this,

2581
02:18:37,480 --> 02:18:39,680
Speaker 1: you major move, but it didn't pan out, and the

2582
02:18:40,320 --> 02:18:42,240
Speaker 1: dough lad the buck a different direction and you weren't

2583
02:18:42,240 --> 02:18:44,800
Speaker 1: able to get on them. Would you be set up

2584
02:18:44,879 --> 02:18:47,760
Speaker 1: right in there the same thing next morning, or set

2585
02:18:47,840 --> 02:18:50,040
Speaker 1: up on the movement you saw them take out of there?

2586
02:18:50,840 --> 02:18:53,000
Speaker 1: How would you think about the next the next two

2587
02:18:53,120 --> 02:18:56,320
Speaker 1: or thirty or six hours. I think Jake and Ted

2588
02:18:56,400 --> 02:18:58,879
Speaker 1: had a good example of that last year. They spooked

2589
02:18:58,879 --> 02:19:00,640
Speaker 1: a buck in a dough that or a buck had

2590
02:19:00,640 --> 02:19:02,600
Speaker 1: a dope pined up against the lake and they were

2591
02:19:02,640 --> 02:19:07,360
Speaker 1: going in by. They spooked the deer and you know,

2592
02:19:07,400 --> 02:19:09,560
Speaker 1: they lost sight of the deer, but they, you know,

2593
02:19:09,640 --> 02:19:11,560
Speaker 1: Jake and Ted got to the point where they had

2594
02:19:11,560 --> 02:19:13,440
Speaker 1: spooked him and basically came up with a plan. They figured,

2595
02:19:13,480 --> 02:19:16,800
Speaker 1: what's the next you know, best block of cover where

2596
02:19:16,840 --> 02:19:19,359
Speaker 1: these deer are going to be? And they looped around

2597
02:19:19,760 --> 02:19:21,840
Speaker 1: and then they may have made a couple of different setups,

2598
02:19:22,160 --> 02:19:24,320
Speaker 1: but they worked their way in towards where they figured

2599
02:19:24,320 --> 02:19:27,760
Speaker 1: the deer would be, and uh, just we're doing calling

2600
02:19:27,800 --> 02:19:30,520
Speaker 1: sequences and kept, you know, getting closer and closer, and

2601
02:19:30,520 --> 02:19:32,600
Speaker 1: like Aaron referred to, getting into that bubble. Now they

2602
02:19:32,680 --> 02:19:34,520
Speaker 1: granted they couldn't see the deer, but they were calling

2603
02:19:34,520 --> 02:19:36,600
Speaker 1: into these pockets where they assumed the deer were, and

2604
02:19:36,640 --> 02:19:39,560
Speaker 1: eventually they just the buck left the doll and came

2605
02:19:39,640 --> 02:19:41,520
Speaker 1: up out of there after they had done a calling

2606
02:19:41,560 --> 02:19:45,440
Speaker 1: sequence and came into ten yards and Ted unfortunately, um

2607
02:19:45,800 --> 02:19:48,520
Speaker 1: got a little buck fever or target panic or whatever

2608
02:19:48,560 --> 02:19:50,560
Speaker 1: it was. He shot in front of the deer. But

2609
02:19:50,640 --> 02:19:52,480
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was just an awesome hunt

2610
02:19:52,520 --> 02:19:55,280
Speaker 1: where maybe a lot of people think I spooked the deer,

2611
02:19:55,400 --> 02:19:57,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's over, Maybe I can just come back

2612
02:19:57,560 --> 02:20:00,280
Speaker 1: in here and setting here tomorrow. But those guys went

2613
02:20:00,320 --> 02:20:02,800
Speaker 1: in the direction of those deer, kept after him, kept

2614
02:20:02,800 --> 02:20:05,760
Speaker 1: calling and just working their way in and eventually Ted was,

2615
02:20:06,520 --> 02:20:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, had a had a hunt of a lifetime

2616
02:20:08,600 --> 02:20:10,560
Speaker 1: with this giant eight point at ten yards. It's just

2617
02:20:11,280 --> 02:20:13,040
Speaker 1: well that's what you and I did a couple of

2618
02:20:13,080 --> 02:20:15,880
Speaker 1: years ago to Greg and in that that seedar thicket

2619
02:20:16,080 --> 02:20:20,119
Speaker 1: I mean we just we saw that buck. He saw us.

2620
02:20:20,240 --> 02:20:24,120
Speaker 1: The buck did from forty yards away, but we crouched

2621
02:20:24,120 --> 02:20:27,280
Speaker 1: down immediately, and we're like, the only reason why he

2622
02:20:27,320 --> 02:20:29,879
Speaker 1: could be standing there and not spooked is he's got

2623
02:20:29,879 --> 02:20:33,880
Speaker 1: to have a dough, you know, because why else would

2624
02:20:33,920 --> 02:20:36,160
Speaker 1: a mature buck be standing there dumb looking at you

2625
02:20:36,520 --> 02:20:39,480
Speaker 1: in in what's almost the wide open, you know, I

2626
02:20:39,480 --> 02:20:42,440
Speaker 1: mean a chess high grass. But we're just walking up

2627
02:20:42,520 --> 02:20:45,240
Speaker 1: the access path, you know, a couple hundred yards in

2628
02:20:45,320 --> 02:20:46,800
Speaker 1: the car, and just look up in this thing is

2629
02:20:46,840 --> 02:20:50,360
Speaker 1: just staring right at us. So we looped around, got

2630
02:20:50,400 --> 02:20:52,200
Speaker 1: to win in our favor, and then crept into that

2631
02:20:52,240 --> 02:20:54,959
Speaker 1: little cedar thicket that he was in. And that's exactly

2632
02:20:55,040 --> 02:20:59,320
Speaker 1: what we did. Greg. We've crept in there, called snort,

2633
02:20:59,320 --> 02:21:02,560
Speaker 1: we'se can branches everything, and then we moved up a

2634
02:21:02,600 --> 02:21:04,480
Speaker 1: hunter yards did it again, I think like the third

2635
02:21:04,520 --> 02:21:06,920
Speaker 1: time we did it. We heard that buck snort. We's

2636
02:21:06,959 --> 02:21:10,760
Speaker 1: back at us, and and then what commenced was a

2637
02:21:10,800 --> 02:21:13,360
Speaker 1: four and a half hour just game a cat and

2638
02:21:13,400 --> 02:21:16,280
Speaker 1: mouse in there with him. As he's pushing this dough around.

2639
02:21:16,560 --> 02:21:18,640
Speaker 1: Greg was at full drawing the thing like four different

2640
02:21:18,640 --> 02:21:21,040
Speaker 1: times and just couldn't get a shot through that thick brush.

2641
02:21:21,800 --> 02:21:24,280
Speaker 1: Um decoy would have been game change or even just

2642
02:21:24,320 --> 02:21:33,240
Speaker 1: like a change, just something visual. Absolutely, so go ahead,

2643
02:21:33,480 --> 02:21:35,680
Speaker 1: go ahead. I was just gonna say, those hunts are

2644
02:21:35,720 --> 02:21:38,680
Speaker 1: so fun, like like Aaron to A lot of people

2645
02:21:38,680 --> 02:21:41,000
Speaker 1: struggle with lockdown, and we did for a long time too,

2646
02:21:41,120 --> 02:21:43,160
Speaker 1: but it just seems like the past few years, you know,

2647
02:21:43,200 --> 02:21:46,279
Speaker 1: as we've adopted a little bit more aggressive hunting strategy,

2648
02:21:46,879 --> 02:21:48,760
Speaker 1: that all of a sudden we're having a lot of

2649
02:21:48,800 --> 02:21:51,480
Speaker 1: fun with these these kinds of scenarios where you're working

2650
02:21:51,480 --> 02:21:53,360
Speaker 1: in on a buck and you know, trying to decoy

2651
02:21:53,440 --> 02:21:55,520
Speaker 1: men call him in and just get in his bubble

2652
02:21:55,560 --> 02:21:57,640
Speaker 1: and and get him mad enough to come out and

2653
02:21:57,680 --> 02:22:00,560
Speaker 1: come to you. It's it's a lot of fun. But

2654
02:22:00,600 --> 02:22:03,199
Speaker 1: back to what you kind of initially we're talking about

2655
02:22:03,240 --> 02:22:05,160
Speaker 1: their mark, Like if you if you were to go

2656
02:22:05,240 --> 02:22:08,320
Speaker 1: at leave from an evening hunt where you saw that,

2657
02:22:08,440 --> 02:22:10,720
Speaker 1: where you saw a mature buck with the dough, I

2658
02:22:10,720 --> 02:22:13,600
Speaker 1: would say, depending on the scenario that the next morning,

2659
02:22:13,680 --> 02:22:16,000
Speaker 1: I tried to get in there where where you could

2660
02:22:16,080 --> 02:22:20,360
Speaker 1: observe at first light, somewhere where you could see down

2661
02:22:20,400 --> 02:22:22,840
Speaker 1: in there to where they were at and if you

2662
02:22:22,920 --> 02:22:26,960
Speaker 1: can't do that, then I'd probably go about it just

2663
02:22:27,040 --> 02:22:30,840
Speaker 1: like the way that we're talking right now. Just creep

2664
02:22:30,879 --> 02:22:34,879
Speaker 1: in there, maybe sit for twenty minutes, watch you know

2665
02:22:35,080 --> 02:22:37,520
Speaker 1: what you can see, call a little bit, keep the

2666
02:22:37,560 --> 02:22:42,720
Speaker 1: wind in your favor until you find them, um and

2667
02:22:42,720 --> 02:22:45,959
Speaker 1: and just continually move with them until you're in there,

2668
02:22:46,600 --> 02:22:49,120
Speaker 1: right there, in there kitchen with them. But your assumption

2669
02:22:49,160 --> 02:22:51,280
Speaker 1: would be that your assumption would be that they'd be

2670
02:22:51,320 --> 02:22:53,560
Speaker 1: back in there the next day. Right you're assuming that

2671
02:22:53,560 --> 02:22:56,240
Speaker 1: that Doe lives somewhere around there and she's coming back,

2672
02:22:56,360 --> 02:22:58,879
Speaker 1: and that Buck's going to be there too, And that's

2673
02:22:58,879 --> 02:23:01,480
Speaker 1: what I want to assume there gonna be that that

2674
02:23:01,520 --> 02:23:05,520
Speaker 1: would be my first guest until proven wrong anyway, like

2675
02:23:06,400 --> 02:23:09,040
Speaker 1: and in which case sometimes you do go in after

2676
02:23:09,120 --> 02:23:11,880
Speaker 1: that set or after that scenario and you move around

2677
02:23:11,920 --> 02:23:15,000
Speaker 1: and you don't find him and she's literally taking him,

2678
02:23:15,120 --> 02:23:17,600
Speaker 1: you know, a half mile or a mile away somewhere

2679
02:23:17,920 --> 02:23:20,160
Speaker 1: that you don't know about, because a lot of things

2680
02:23:20,160 --> 02:23:24,359
Speaker 1: can happen tonight, you know, after you leave the woods. Um.

2681
02:23:24,480 --> 02:23:28,120
Speaker 1: But going with you know, your latest intel is is

2682
02:23:28,240 --> 02:23:32,600
Speaker 1: usually your best idea at that point. Now, all this

2683
02:23:32,680 --> 02:23:35,600
Speaker 1: stuff that you've been talking about the aggressive you know,

2684
02:23:35,640 --> 02:23:38,560
Speaker 1: making a move on the ground, pushing in tight, sneaking in,

2685
02:23:38,720 --> 02:23:42,920
Speaker 1: calling in all that kind of stuff. You're talking about

2686
02:23:42,920 --> 02:23:45,320
Speaker 1: doing this on big chunks of public land where you've

2687
02:23:45,360 --> 02:23:47,240
Speaker 1: got options and you can move around, and if it

2688
02:23:47,280 --> 02:23:49,200
Speaker 1: doesn't work out in spot A, you could always go

2689
02:23:49,240 --> 02:23:53,320
Speaker 1: to spot B and whatever? Would you? And you you

2690
02:23:53,400 --> 02:23:55,160
Speaker 1: sort of caveat of this earlier er and when we

2691
02:23:55,160 --> 02:23:57,800
Speaker 1: were talking about something on these lines, But it's a

2692
02:23:58,040 --> 02:24:01,640
Speaker 1: more general level for someone listening to this, and they

2693
02:24:01,680 --> 02:24:03,560
Speaker 1: don't hunt a bunch of public land, but they hunt

2694
02:24:03,680 --> 02:24:06,360
Speaker 1: like heavily pressured small property kind of stuff like your

2695
02:24:06,400 --> 02:24:09,600
Speaker 1: hundred acre family farm Missouri, something like that. Would you

2696
02:24:09,720 --> 02:24:12,000
Speaker 1: cross all this stuff off the list if you only

2697
02:24:12,000 --> 02:24:14,080
Speaker 1: have that hunted acres a private and there's a bunch

2698
02:24:14,080 --> 02:24:16,920
Speaker 1: of other hunters around you, or or is there a

2699
02:24:16,959 --> 02:24:19,120
Speaker 1: time to still get aggressive like this even though you

2700
02:24:19,240 --> 02:24:21,880
Speaker 1: just have your eighty or your hundred to work with?

2701
02:24:21,920 --> 02:24:25,879
Speaker 1: What how do you balance that? I would say, uh,

2702
02:24:26,040 --> 02:24:30,520
Speaker 1: some sort of a hybrid of both. If if you

2703
02:24:30,560 --> 02:24:32,840
Speaker 1: can go in there, and this all really comes down

2704
02:24:32,879 --> 02:24:36,200
Speaker 1: to time. It depends on how much time you have

2705
02:24:36,920 --> 02:24:39,560
Speaker 1: to hunt the area that you're in and to fulfill

2706
02:24:39,640 --> 02:24:42,360
Speaker 1: the goals that you have for your attack. If you

2707
02:24:42,480 --> 02:24:45,520
Speaker 1: go into two a small property and you've got a

2708
02:24:45,560 --> 02:24:47,360
Speaker 1: hell of a funnel area in the middle of that

2709
02:24:47,400 --> 02:24:51,320
Speaker 1: thing that you know you can sit and wait a

2710
02:24:51,400 --> 02:24:53,600
Speaker 1: buck out and eventually get a shot at one. Moving

2711
02:24:53,640 --> 02:24:56,440
Speaker 1: from betting area to betting area, then, as we said

2712
02:24:56,480 --> 02:24:59,119
Speaker 1: in the beginning, that's a that's a tried and true,

2713
02:24:59,320 --> 02:25:03,560
Speaker 1: proven st rategy that works, um and we're not discounting

2714
02:25:03,560 --> 02:25:05,720
Speaker 1: that by any means. But if you try that and

2715
02:25:05,800 --> 02:25:10,360
Speaker 1: it's not working, then you can flip a switch and

2716
02:25:10,440 --> 02:25:12,520
Speaker 1: start moving around and looking, even if it's on a

2717
02:25:12,560 --> 02:25:15,840
Speaker 1: small property. I mean, I think back to my hunts

2718
02:25:15,879 --> 02:25:18,720
Speaker 1: on that small farm when I was a kid, and

2719
02:25:18,800 --> 02:25:21,320
Speaker 1: we killed a lot of bucks doing that in the rut,

2720
02:25:21,680 --> 02:25:26,240
Speaker 1: just sitting and just you know, just eating lunch in

2721
02:25:26,280 --> 02:25:29,360
Speaker 1: the stand, waiting there all day for days and days

2722
02:25:29,360 --> 02:25:30,880
Speaker 1: and days on and not even seeing a deer and

2723
02:25:30,879 --> 02:25:32,480
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, here comes to mature buck

2724
02:25:32,879 --> 02:25:35,240
Speaker 1: and you shoot it. But at the same time, I

2725
02:25:35,280 --> 02:25:37,320
Speaker 1: can also remember a hunt I think it's the last

2726
02:25:37,360 --> 02:25:40,119
Speaker 1: year I killed with a rifle down there during Missouri's

2727
02:25:40,200 --> 02:25:43,080
Speaker 1: rifle season. I had sat two days in a row

2728
02:25:43,160 --> 02:25:46,720
Speaker 1: all day, and then I watched a buck um cruised

2729
02:25:46,720 --> 02:25:51,039
Speaker 1: by out of range for my old thirty thirty um,

2730
02:25:51,080 --> 02:25:53,440
Speaker 1: and I had to get down move around. Even though

2731
02:25:53,480 --> 02:25:55,440
Speaker 1: I didn't have much room to work with on our property.

2732
02:25:55,480 --> 02:25:58,080
Speaker 1: I went clear to our you know, on our northeast

2733
02:25:58,120 --> 02:26:00,160
Speaker 1: fence line, and was at the very corner of our

2734
02:26:00,280 --> 02:26:03,400
Speaker 1: property in the direction that that buck went, and I

2735
02:26:03,440 --> 02:26:06,720
Speaker 1: actually heard him fighting with another buck right over the ridge,

2736
02:26:06,720 --> 02:26:08,600
Speaker 1: and I crept over the ridge and shot him while

2737
02:26:08,640 --> 02:26:12,640
Speaker 1: he was fighting with that buck um, in which case,

2738
02:26:12,680 --> 02:26:14,680
Speaker 1: if I would have just sat there in my stand

2739
02:26:14,760 --> 02:26:17,840
Speaker 1: after he moved off, I don't know if I would

2740
02:26:17,879 --> 02:26:21,480
Speaker 1: have got another chance at him. So it kind of

2741
02:26:21,520 --> 02:26:24,760
Speaker 1: just depends on on the specific scenario, even down to

2742
02:26:24,840 --> 02:26:28,720
Speaker 1: the to the day that you're hunting. But I think

2743
02:26:28,760 --> 02:26:32,520
Speaker 1: the main thing is that you're gonna hear us harp

2744
02:26:32,640 --> 02:26:35,400
Speaker 1: on constantly. It's just kind of as a group is

2745
02:26:35,480 --> 02:26:38,400
Speaker 1: the the ability to adapt to those and to not

2746
02:26:38,520 --> 02:26:42,360
Speaker 1: be afraid to try something different should something not be working.

2747
02:26:42,760 --> 02:26:44,360
Speaker 1: If you have a lot of time to hunt and

2748
02:26:44,440 --> 02:26:47,959
Speaker 1: you trust that funnel, though that can be extremely deadly.

2749
02:26:48,120 --> 02:26:49,920
Speaker 1: If you can just sit there, if you have the

2750
02:26:49,920 --> 02:26:52,240
Speaker 1: patients to do that, you can certainly kill him doing

2751
02:26:52,280 --> 02:26:54,480
Speaker 1: that as well. You know, maybe you don't. Maybe in

2752
02:26:54,520 --> 02:26:56,080
Speaker 1: that scenario you don't get down and go after the

2753
02:26:56,080 --> 02:26:58,240
Speaker 1: buck that I killed, and you just sit there, But

2754
02:26:58,320 --> 02:27:00,680
Speaker 1: maybe you're kill him three days later coming right back

2755
02:27:00,720 --> 02:27:05,759
Speaker 1: through the same funnel. It's it's hard to say, um,

2756
02:27:05,800 --> 02:27:07,959
Speaker 1: but it's like I, like I said in the beginning

2757
02:27:08,000 --> 02:27:10,760
Speaker 1: of this particular thought, it all comes down to time.

2758
02:27:11,800 --> 02:27:13,920
Speaker 1: If you don't have the time to really put in

2759
02:27:13,959 --> 02:27:17,039
Speaker 1: the city in those funnels, then you've got to adapt

2760
02:27:17,320 --> 02:27:20,240
Speaker 1: and change something, you know, if it's not been effective

2761
02:27:20,280 --> 02:27:26,720
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, what do you think, Greg? Uh? You

2762
02:27:26,760 --> 02:27:28,720
Speaker 1: know one thought I had is is again kind of

2763
02:27:28,720 --> 02:27:32,000
Speaker 1: going back to mental hurdles and and really conservative hunting.

2764
02:27:32,040 --> 02:27:37,120
Speaker 1: Is that is this fear of spooking deer. Yeah, And

2765
02:27:37,160 --> 02:27:38,840
Speaker 1: I don't know how many times that you know, in

2766
02:27:39,280 --> 02:27:42,080
Speaker 1: situations where we did spook deer and we're able to

2767
02:27:42,080 --> 02:27:45,200
Speaker 1: get back on them. I get just because you you

2768
02:27:45,240 --> 02:27:48,640
Speaker 1: bump a deer doesn't mean it's all over. I think

2769
02:27:48,680 --> 02:27:51,760
Speaker 1: I've actually spooked dear worse that came by me in

2770
02:27:52,800 --> 02:27:55,760
Speaker 1: I I like blind called to out of a tide

2771
02:27:55,879 --> 02:27:59,360
Speaker 1: through stand location and then the mature bucks circled down

2772
02:27:59,360 --> 02:28:01,960
Speaker 1: when caught my wind and then knew I was there

2773
02:28:02,000 --> 02:28:04,760
Speaker 1: in the area and left, Like I feel, I feel

2774
02:28:04,800 --> 02:28:07,280
Speaker 1: like I've done more damage to that deer right then

2775
02:28:07,320 --> 02:28:09,920
Speaker 1: than walking up on him in the woods most scenario,

2776
02:28:10,720 --> 02:28:14,320
Speaker 1: most of the time, Yeah, because you're catching him by surprise,

2777
02:28:15,040 --> 02:28:17,280
Speaker 1: you know, and even if he does figure out what

2778
02:28:17,320 --> 02:28:19,280
Speaker 1: the heck you are, it's like, what the heck there's

2779
02:28:19,320 --> 02:28:21,440
Speaker 1: a human walking through my woods. I'm not used to

2780
02:28:21,480 --> 02:28:25,440
Speaker 1: seeing that, you know. But if if they smell you

2781
02:28:26,120 --> 02:28:27,960
Speaker 1: and they get a good whiff of you, especially a

2782
02:28:27,959 --> 02:28:32,560
Speaker 1: mature buck, that's when you're in trouble. Otherwise all bets

2783
02:28:32,560 --> 02:28:34,400
Speaker 1: are off. I mean, they may come right back to

2784
02:28:34,440 --> 02:28:36,240
Speaker 1: the same exact spot where they were at if you

2785
02:28:36,240 --> 02:28:39,920
Speaker 1: don't spook them real hard. Yeah. It's just it's been

2786
02:28:39,959 --> 02:28:42,280
Speaker 1: fun to see how many times over these past few

2787
02:28:42,360 --> 02:28:46,959
Speaker 1: years that aggressive aggressiveness has paid off, you know. I

2788
02:28:47,520 --> 02:28:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of come from the you know, hunting,

2789
02:28:49,160 --> 02:28:52,240
Speaker 1: the small farm growing up, heavily pressured and public land

2790
02:28:52,240 --> 02:28:54,040
Speaker 1: as well, and I was always been a you know,

2791
02:28:54,120 --> 02:28:56,600
Speaker 1: pretty conservative hunter. And part of that is just personality

2792
02:28:56,680 --> 02:28:58,480
Speaker 1: driven as well. You know. I feel like I can

2793
02:28:58,480 --> 02:28:59,920
Speaker 1: sit in a stand for a long time and just

2794
02:29:00,040 --> 02:29:02,920
Speaker 1: wait it out. But you know, now we've got all

2795
02:29:02,959 --> 02:29:06,240
Speaker 1: these all these guys different personalities and hunting styles. It's

2796
02:29:06,240 --> 02:29:09,280
Speaker 1: it's interesting to see how you know, it's it can

2797
02:29:09,320 --> 02:29:11,400
Speaker 1: pay to be aggressive and overcoming some of those mental

2798
02:29:11,440 --> 02:29:15,400
Speaker 1: hurdles of just being so afraid, you know, the spooka deer,

2799
02:29:15,640 --> 02:29:17,400
Speaker 1: or just to get out of your comfort zone. I

2800
02:29:17,400 --> 02:29:19,720
Speaker 1: think when you start to start to do some of

2801
02:29:19,760 --> 02:29:22,080
Speaker 1: these things that we've talked about in this podcast, um,

2802
02:29:22,120 --> 02:29:24,879
Speaker 1: you can first have a lot of fun doing it,

2803
02:29:25,080 --> 02:29:27,520
Speaker 1: learned a lot and also, uh, you know a lot

2804
02:29:27,520 --> 02:29:29,760
Speaker 1: of times it's it pays off in field tags or

2805
02:29:29,800 --> 02:29:33,520
Speaker 1: at least close encounters. Yeah, so let's let's wrap it

2806
02:29:33,600 --> 02:29:35,840
Speaker 1: up because there's a lot more we can talk about.

2807
02:29:35,840 --> 02:29:37,280
Speaker 1: But I know you guys have got to edit. You

2808
02:29:37,360 --> 02:29:40,160
Speaker 1: guys have gotta get going, gotta leave Walmart parking lots

2809
02:29:40,200 --> 02:29:43,200
Speaker 1: and and head back to uh the old hunting grounds.

2810
02:29:43,360 --> 02:29:45,320
Speaker 1: So I don't want to keep it too much longer,

2811
02:29:45,400 --> 02:29:49,840
Speaker 1: but I want to ask one final question because you

2812
02:29:49,920 --> 02:29:53,000
Speaker 1: kind of alluded to mental hurdles Greg and and in

2813
02:29:53,000 --> 02:29:55,400
Speaker 1: this case, you were talking about, you know, just getting

2814
02:29:55,400 --> 02:29:57,959
Speaker 1: over these things we assume you shouldn't do, but actually

2815
02:29:57,959 --> 02:30:02,400
Speaker 1: you guys are doing it, Um. I feel like in

2816
02:30:02,440 --> 02:30:04,640
Speaker 1: addition to that, there's a lot of other mental stuff

2817
02:30:04,720 --> 02:30:06,920
Speaker 1: going on during the rut. Like for a lot of people,

2818
02:30:06,920 --> 02:30:09,800
Speaker 1: this is when we put the most expectations on ourselves.

2819
02:30:09,840 --> 02:30:13,160
Speaker 1: We've put our vacation time towards this, all of our

2820
02:30:13,200 --> 02:30:15,200
Speaker 1: hopes and dreams are here. For a lot of people,

2821
02:30:15,200 --> 02:30:18,120
Speaker 1: it means you're spending day after day grinding it out.

2822
02:30:18,360 --> 02:30:20,040
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that can be tough in

2823
02:30:20,080 --> 02:30:21,840
Speaker 1: certain ways, even though it's that time of year we

2824
02:30:21,959 --> 02:30:25,240
Speaker 1: enjoy and look forward to the most. What would be

2825
02:30:25,320 --> 02:30:29,000
Speaker 1: for each of you one thing that you think matters

2826
02:30:29,040 --> 02:30:31,840
Speaker 1: the most to having success at this time of year

2827
02:30:32,240 --> 02:30:34,360
Speaker 1: when it comes to the mental side of it, the

2828
02:30:34,440 --> 02:30:38,160
Speaker 1: mental toughness or or stamina or something that you need

2829
02:30:38,240 --> 02:30:41,160
Speaker 1: during the rut? Um, Greg, is there anything that comes

2830
02:30:41,200 --> 02:30:43,119
Speaker 1: to mind that we can leave folks with as far

2831
02:30:43,160 --> 02:30:47,360
Speaker 1: as as far as that, I think mental preparedness. Like

2832
02:30:47,400 --> 02:30:49,120
Speaker 1: you said, you get tired as you grind it out

2833
02:30:49,320 --> 02:30:52,039
Speaker 1: during the rut. I mean, it's just inevitable. You know,

2834
02:30:52,120 --> 02:30:54,959
Speaker 1: day after day you're gonna be tired. But I tried

2835
02:30:55,000 --> 02:30:57,200
Speaker 1: to every time I get into a setup, try to

2836
02:30:57,200 --> 02:31:00,200
Speaker 1: play out the scenario that that I may happen. Can

2837
02:31:00,200 --> 02:31:01,800
Speaker 1: I shoot behind me? Can I shoot to my left?

2838
02:31:01,800 --> 02:31:03,640
Speaker 1: Can I shoot to my right? What are my shooting lanes?

2839
02:31:03,720 --> 02:31:07,000
Speaker 1: What's the distance? And uh, you know, I'm thinking back

2840
02:31:07,040 --> 02:31:09,840
Speaker 1: to last year a buck I shot. Um. I was

2841
02:31:09,879 --> 02:31:12,240
Speaker 1: self filming at the time, so I was having to

2842
02:31:12,280 --> 02:31:14,400
Speaker 1: make sure, you know, where can I film? Can I

2843
02:31:14,400 --> 02:31:16,120
Speaker 1: film kind of behind me if a deer comes behind

2844
02:31:16,160 --> 02:31:17,880
Speaker 1: to the left, And that's what ended up happening. And

2845
02:31:17,959 --> 02:31:21,120
Speaker 1: I had practiced that with the camera withdrawing back, and

2846
02:31:21,160 --> 02:31:22,960
Speaker 1: that's exactly what the buck did. And I was able

2847
02:31:22,959 --> 02:31:25,120
Speaker 1: to pull off that shot with confidence because I had

2848
02:31:25,160 --> 02:31:27,600
Speaker 1: thought about it ahead of time. So you just trying

2849
02:31:27,640 --> 02:31:31,520
Speaker 1: to keep you know, mentally prepared and uh, you know,

2850
02:31:31,520 --> 02:31:32,879
Speaker 1: even though he may be tired and just want to

2851
02:31:32,879 --> 02:31:34,760
Speaker 1: sit back and relax, just trying to think through all

2852
02:31:34,760 --> 02:31:37,520
Speaker 1: the scenarios because during the run, as we all know,

2853
02:31:37,600 --> 02:31:39,600
Speaker 1: it can happen in a flash. And if you're not ready,

2854
02:31:39,640 --> 02:31:41,959
Speaker 1: if you haven't you know, maybe you don't have the range,

2855
02:31:42,040 --> 02:31:43,920
Speaker 1: or maybe you're just unsure if if you can shoot

2856
02:31:43,920 --> 02:31:46,560
Speaker 1: in a certain direction. It's just I found so many

2857
02:31:46,560 --> 02:31:49,600
Speaker 1: times that it helps to be mentally prepared and think

2858
02:31:49,640 --> 02:31:52,000
Speaker 1: about all these scenarios at least as much as possible.

2859
02:31:53,200 --> 02:31:56,640
Speaker 1: What do you think, er, I would just pagyback on

2860
02:31:56,680 --> 02:32:00,880
Speaker 1: what what he just said, um In, I really want

2861
02:32:00,879 --> 02:32:05,720
Speaker 1: to hammer home rest, uh, because that's a that's a

2862
02:32:05,800 --> 02:32:10,080
Speaker 1: huge thing, especially when it comes to being mentally sharp.

2863
02:32:10,680 --> 02:32:13,400
Speaker 1: You know, if you're on a week's vacation rut hunting

2864
02:32:13,480 --> 02:32:16,200
Speaker 1: all day long, and you're on public ground and you're

2865
02:32:16,240 --> 02:32:19,360
Speaker 1: grinding like you're you're burning a lot of calories throughout

2866
02:32:19,400 --> 02:32:21,760
Speaker 1: the day out there freezing your butt off and trying

2867
02:32:21,800 --> 02:32:25,240
Speaker 1: to get on these things, and what typically happens is

2868
02:32:25,280 --> 02:32:28,080
Speaker 1: by the end, towards the end of your week is

2869
02:32:28,240 --> 02:32:31,920
Speaker 1: your best hunting because that's when you have of you know,

2870
02:32:32,040 --> 02:32:34,160
Speaker 1: had time to figure out what the heck is even

2871
02:32:34,160 --> 02:32:37,160
Speaker 1: going on, and that's when you need to be the

2872
02:32:37,720 --> 02:32:43,600
Speaker 1: most sharp mentally. And consequently, the opposite happens because you've

2873
02:32:43,640 --> 02:32:46,760
Speaker 1: been pushing so hard all week that you're mentally drained,

2874
02:32:46,760 --> 02:32:50,480
Speaker 1: you're physically drained, you haven't been you haven't had good sleep,

2875
02:32:50,760 --> 02:32:53,760
Speaker 1: you know, you're eating freaking your tenth meal. It's a

2876
02:32:53,959 --> 02:32:59,640
Speaker 1: Casey's gas aping, you know, And what ends up happening

2877
02:32:59,720 --> 02:33:01,840
Speaker 1: is you do get your opportunity later in that week,

2878
02:33:01,920 --> 02:33:04,280
Speaker 1: and you screw it up because you're not thinking through

2879
02:33:04,320 --> 02:33:07,520
Speaker 1: all those fine details that Greg just mentioned. So I

2880
02:33:07,520 --> 02:33:09,680
Speaker 1: would I would look at it more so it's like,

2881
02:33:09,800 --> 02:33:11,600
Speaker 1: try to go into it with some sort of an

2882
02:33:11,640 --> 02:33:17,000
Speaker 1: efficient plan to scout scout scout, find the deer, and

2883
02:33:17,120 --> 02:33:21,800
Speaker 1: prioritize your rest. You know, figure out where the heck

2884
02:33:21,840 --> 02:33:23,840
Speaker 1: you're camping at ahead of time so that you can

2885
02:33:23,879 --> 02:33:26,280
Speaker 1: camp as close to possible, as close as possible to

2886
02:33:26,400 --> 02:33:30,920
Speaker 1: your hunting locations. UM, set up camp in your truck

2887
02:33:31,000 --> 02:33:33,480
Speaker 1: if you need, to make sure that you have comfortable

2888
02:33:33,560 --> 02:33:37,520
Speaker 1: gear to camp in. If that's the case, make sure

2889
02:33:37,560 --> 02:33:40,880
Speaker 1: that you have food prepared that you know is legit.

2890
02:33:41,040 --> 02:33:43,200
Speaker 1: Not not eating this guard. I mean I've done it.

2891
02:33:43,440 --> 02:33:45,680
Speaker 1: I've I've made so many pieces of cases pizza it's

2892
02:33:45,680 --> 02:33:49,360
Speaker 1: not even funny. But I mean you gotta think, if

2893
02:33:49,400 --> 02:33:51,360
Speaker 1: you think all that stuff through ahead of time, you're

2894
02:33:51,360 --> 02:33:56,000
Speaker 1: gonna have way more energy going into it, UM, because

2895
02:33:56,400 --> 02:33:58,720
Speaker 1: the smallest little mistake, like if you set up on

2896
02:33:58,760 --> 02:34:01,960
Speaker 1: the ground and you don't in for that shooting lane

2897
02:34:01,959 --> 02:34:04,480
Speaker 1: at twenty yards and there's grass or a twig or

2898
02:34:04,520 --> 02:34:07,240
Speaker 1: something in the way you're talking about, you know the

2899
02:34:07,240 --> 02:34:10,560
Speaker 1: difference between success and failure, and in one small little

2900
02:34:10,600 --> 02:34:14,280
Speaker 1: detail that was overlooked. Now and I'm not trying to

2901
02:34:14,320 --> 02:34:17,959
Speaker 1: put pressure on any of your listeners do these things.

2902
02:34:18,000 --> 02:34:21,640
Speaker 1: Just think of it the opposite way. Think of it like, Okay,

2903
02:34:21,680 --> 02:34:25,959
Speaker 1: I'm here for a week. We got a prioritize rest inefficiency,

2904
02:34:26,440 --> 02:34:30,440
Speaker 1: and then when we get in kill mode in those situations,

2905
02:34:30,840 --> 02:34:33,560
Speaker 1: we gotta go through the checklist like what Greg just mentioned,

2906
02:34:34,959 --> 02:34:37,280
Speaker 1: and you'd be better check that way. I feel like

2907
02:34:38,080 --> 02:34:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry gonna cut you off. No, You're good. I

2908
02:34:41,240 --> 02:34:43,119
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, yeah, check your equipment, make sure

2909
02:34:43,120 --> 02:34:45,200
Speaker 1: your bows on, have a targeting camp or shoot it.

2910
02:34:47,160 --> 02:34:49,960
Speaker 1: I've been in a scenario where I hunted a you know,

2911
02:34:50,040 --> 02:34:51,720
Speaker 1: hunted a buck all season when I was younger, and

2912
02:34:51,720 --> 02:34:54,000
Speaker 1: finally got my shot in November seven and didn't realize

2913
02:34:54,000 --> 02:34:55,960
Speaker 1: my rested moved and I shot a footing underneath them.

2914
02:34:56,000 --> 02:35:00,720
Speaker 1: That's that's no fun. Worst case the area right there.

2915
02:35:01,360 --> 02:35:04,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, ah man, Well, this is this has

2916
02:35:05,000 --> 02:35:07,800
Speaker 1: been really good stuff, guys. I I really appreciate it.

2917
02:35:07,959 --> 02:35:11,280
Speaker 1: And for people that want to follow what you're doing

2918
02:35:11,280 --> 02:35:14,280
Speaker 1: this year, um and all the content can can one

2919
02:35:14,320 --> 02:35:17,160
Speaker 1: of you give us a lowdown on where people can

2920
02:35:17,200 --> 02:35:19,280
Speaker 1: tap into all your content, how they can file along

2921
02:35:19,320 --> 02:35:26,240
Speaker 1: what they can see and expect. Go ahead, Aaron, oh

2922
02:35:26,360 --> 02:35:29,400
Speaker 1: the Hunting Public, go and check it out on YouTube.

2923
02:35:30,160 --> 02:35:33,600
Speaker 1: We've got all kinds of new episodes there right now,

2924
02:35:34,080 --> 02:35:37,000
Speaker 1: and uh, I don't know how many episodes are we

2925
02:35:37,080 --> 02:35:40,280
Speaker 1: into the deer tour right now, Greg upwards of thirty

2926
02:35:40,760 --> 02:35:43,440
Speaker 1: oh up herds of thirty Okay, I think getting close.

2927
02:35:44,040 --> 02:35:46,600
Speaker 1: And we've got a pile of really cool stuff this

2928
02:35:46,720 --> 02:35:50,840
Speaker 1: next week and uh then this we're heading to Tennessee

2929
02:35:51,640 --> 02:35:54,080
Speaker 1: to uh hunt during the first part of the rut,

2930
02:35:54,480 --> 02:35:59,000
Speaker 1: singers out in Ohio. Um, got all kinds of gun

2931
02:35:59,040 --> 02:36:03,000
Speaker 1: season deer campac and also coming up uh towards the

2932
02:36:03,000 --> 02:36:05,720
Speaker 1: middle and the end of November, and then we're gonna

2933
02:36:05,720 --> 02:36:08,920
Speaker 1: go south in December. We're gonna hunt down in Georgia

2934
02:36:09,280 --> 02:36:12,199
Speaker 1: for the first time, so that should be really excited too.

2935
02:36:12,240 --> 02:36:15,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, just check us out on YouTube, at the

2936
02:36:15,400 --> 02:36:18,840
Speaker 1: Hunting Public Instagram, at the Hunting Public Facebook, and we've

2937
02:36:18,879 --> 02:36:24,720
Speaker 1: also got episodes streaming on Amazon Prime. Awesome. But you

2938
02:36:24,720 --> 02:36:26,920
Speaker 1: guys are killing it. Everything you're putting out there is

2939
02:36:27,040 --> 02:36:29,600
Speaker 1: really really good. So if for some reason, you're listening

2940
02:36:29,600 --> 02:36:31,240
Speaker 1: to this podcast right now, and you live under a

2941
02:36:31,320 --> 02:36:33,920
Speaker 1: rock and you haven't checked out the hunting public. Let

2942
02:36:33,959 --> 02:36:36,280
Speaker 1: this be the thing that changes that for you. Go

2943
02:36:36,400 --> 02:36:40,000
Speaker 1: watch it, go check out their stuff, and uh Aaron, Greg,

2944
02:36:40,320 --> 02:36:44,760
Speaker 1: thank you and good luck these coming days. Thanks, Thanks, Mark,

2945
02:36:44,879 --> 02:36:49,080
Speaker 1: you as well appreciate it all right, and that's a wrap.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. I hope you enjoyed this one.

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Speaker 1: It was long one, so props to all of you

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Speaker 1: that made it through. But hopefully you'll learned some good

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Speaker 1: stuff and you can put that into action on your hunts.

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Speaker 1: So good luck, have a great time, be safe, and

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Speaker 1: until next time, stay Wired to Hunt. M M.