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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Thursday edition Clay Travis Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us

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Speaker 1: as we are rolling through what should be a very

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Speaker 1: fun show for all of you. Appreciate all of you

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Speaker 1: out there listening live. Encourage you as always download podcasts,

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Speaker 1: make sure you don't miss a moment. The Biden administration

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Speaker 1: getting nervous, Buck, evidently over the polling issues that they

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Speaker 1: are seeing in swing states. There's a report that they

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Speaker 1: are responding by hiring way more polsters in the swing states,

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Speaker 1: maybe just to try to get out polls that are

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Speaker 1: more positive for them. We will discuss that a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But one thing that Biden has not done so far

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Speaker 1: is really, i would say, aggressively try to make his

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Speaker 1: case to that many independent voters. You'll remember, Buck, we

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Speaker 1: talked about out Joe Biden turning down the Super Bowl interview,

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Speaker 1: and I thought it was a colossal mistake. And then

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Speaker 1: he followed it up by doing an interview with whatever

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Speaker 1: that guy's name is, Seth Meyers. I think on NBC

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Speaker 1: that nobody watched, and they went and got Ice cream

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Speaker 1: and I just kind of sit around wondering what is

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Speaker 1: their strategy. They're failing on biden Omics, the bloodbath thing,

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Speaker 1: I think is bouncing back very much against them. And

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Speaker 1: a story came out yesterday that was illustrative I think

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Speaker 1: of how much the Biden administration tries to control everything

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Speaker 1: that is asked of Biden and everything that he says.

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Speaker 1: And it was from a friend of the show, Sage Steele,

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Speaker 1: who was at ESPN for a very long time and

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Speaker 1: she left recently. She came on this show to talk

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Speaker 1: about leaving. She's now doing a podcast with Bill Maher

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Speaker 1: focusing on long form conversations. But as part of an

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Speaker 1: interview she did, she said that when she interviewed Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden on e ESPN, that every question was scripted and

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Speaker 1: that she was not allowed to ask anything, no follow ups,

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Speaker 1: anything else. Listen to this discussion. I'm curious your reaction, Buck.

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Speaker 2: This is about two months after he took office. That

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Speaker 2: was an interesting experience in its own right because it

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Speaker 2: was so structured and I was told, you will say

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Speaker 2: every word that we write out, you will not deviate

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Speaker 2: from the script, and so to the word, like every

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Speaker 2: single question was scripted. Gone over dozens of times by

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Speaker 2: many executives, editors and executives. Absolutely, I was on script

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Speaker 2: and was told not to deviate. It was very much

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Speaker 2: this is what she will ask, this is how you

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Speaker 2: will say it, No follow ups, no follow ups. Next,

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Speaker 2: I knew that this was a lot bigger than just

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Speaker 2: the wonderful editors that I worked with. This went up

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Speaker 2: to the fourth floor, as we said that where all

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Speaker 2: the bosses, the top executives, the decision makers are. The

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Speaker 2: president of our company, the CEO were there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Buck, I can say honestly, you and I

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Speaker 1: in three years of doing this show, and I bet

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Speaker 1: you when you did your show before and certainly when

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Speaker 1: I did mine, there's never been a time where we've

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Speaker 1: been like, okay, we'll script questions or even said okay,

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Speaker 1: we'll refuse to ask a question about ex ra. Why

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Speaker 1: we've not have been perfect in our interviews? I'm sure

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Speaker 1: for you sometimes you finished an interview and you're like,

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Speaker 1: I should have asked, should have asked another question, But

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Speaker 1: it wasn't because we were anything other than imperfect, as

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Speaker 1: everybody is in their jobs every day.

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Speaker 3: So what's your reaction to this? Because I have a

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Speaker 3: ton of thoughts.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious what your reaction is as a guy who

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Speaker 1: doesn't usually watch what would ostensibly be sports coverage.

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Speaker 4: Well, for one thing, you can know for certain that

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Speaker 4: this is not a one off, meaning that this isn't

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Speaker 4: just something that happened with Stage Deal, the Potemkin Village approach,

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Speaker 4: to the Biden presidency and to President Biden himself, where

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Speaker 4: it's all a facade, it's fake. They're presenting something that

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Speaker 4: isn't real, that isn't just a thing that happens in

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Speaker 4: the media. And if you really listen a little bit

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Speaker 4: between the lines with Saved Steel, it is the expectation

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Speaker 4: in media, meaning you aren't allowed to do journalism. It's

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Speaker 4: not that people are choosing whether or not they will

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Speaker 4: do journalism. It is the democrat apparatus of the media

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Speaker 4: has rules that don't even necessarily need to be spoken,

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Speaker 4: but sometimes they're spoken, and sometimes people lose their jobs

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Speaker 4: over it. And a perfect example of this would be

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Speaker 4: you remember when the what was it ABC? Those things all?

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Speaker 4: I think it was an ABC reporter said that, you know,

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Speaker 4: she talked to John Fetterman and the guy clearly has problems.

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Speaker 1: Dasha Burns, I believe was her name, and I think

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Speaker 1: it was NBC, and everybody was furious that she was

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Speaker 4: And it was all at once. I mean, it was

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Speaker 4: a unified front of how dare you say a thing

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Speaker 4: that hurts a Democrat in an election season, no matter

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Speaker 4: how important it is, no matter how obvious it is,

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Speaker 4: and no matter how much the public has a right

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Speaker 4: to know about the thing you are talking about. This

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Speaker 4: is true across the board. This reminds me a little

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Speaker 4: bit of when we would see the most egregious examples

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Speaker 4: of the censorship that they would do play against conservatives

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Speaker 4: on Twitter when it was Twitter and on Facebook and

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Speaker 4: these other places. And I would always say, for every

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Speaker 4: conservative who's outright band, there are probably one hundred or

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Speaker 4: one thousand large accounts who are being shadow band and

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Speaker 4: who are being throttled. And you know, it's an iceberg.

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Speaker 4: What you see above the surface is just a piece

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Speaker 4: of it. What Sage Steel is dealing with here is

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Speaker 4: just the rules being exposed about how you're not allowed

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Speaker 4: to do. You're supposed to call yourself a journalist to

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Speaker 4: fool the public into thinking you're neutral so you can

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Speaker 4: do the dirty work of Democrat propaganda for the Bide administration.

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Speaker 4: That is the universal corporate Democrat expectation in the media.

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Speaker 4: And what I think is particularly unique about this story

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Speaker 4: is this is outreach because your average person who's putting

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Speaker 4: is not anticipating that they're going to get political related

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Speaker 4: takes in any way. So they are interviewing Joe Biden,

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Speaker 4: they are scripting every question, writing it out for allowing

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Speaker 4: Sage Steele no deviations here. And they're also I bet

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Speaker 4: and this is a question that ESPN should have to answer.

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Speaker 4: I guarantee you they gave all the questions to the

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Speaker 4: Biden White House before it started. So not only are

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Speaker 4: they scripting questions, one of the reasons why you would

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Speaker 4: script all these questions is so you could just send

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Speaker 4: it along to the Biden White House and let them

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Speaker 4: know in advance what he's going to be asked, so

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Speaker 4: his answers are better.

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Speaker 3: And it's also it should.

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Speaker 4: Be demeaning to people to play a role in this fraud, right,

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Speaker 4: I mean, especially if you make a living. You know,

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Speaker 4: I've never provided questions, and sometimes people will have their

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Speaker 4: pr reps. I don't know what your stock answer is. Generally, obviously,

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Speaker 4: we have a great team who handles like the PR

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Speaker 4: reps who want to do a little bit of you know,

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Speaker 4: pre interview set up. But whatever someone says, can you

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Speaker 4: sense of the questions topics? Fine, I'll tell someone we're

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Speaker 4: gonna talk immigration, We're gonna talk, and that's standard, right,

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Speaker 4: you can give them because so people can be up

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Speaker 4: on the news of the day. But if they're like,

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Speaker 4: can you give me a sense of the questions, I

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Speaker 4: tend to respond with something like, I'm gonna ask you

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Speaker 4: questions about the news of the day, or I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: ask you questions about the topics that we discussed. I've

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Speaker 4: never provided questions in advance because it's just unseemly right,

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Speaker 4: because there's something dishonest in doing that and not telling

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Speaker 4: people that's what you're doing. Right, You're you're a part

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Speaker 4: of a front, You're a part of a fraud.

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Speaker 1: Also, I think part of being an interviewer is listening

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Speaker 1: they say and based on what answers they give, potentially

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Speaker 1: having a question that would not have been on any

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Speaker 4: I mean sometimes you got to ask the same question

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Speaker 4: more than once, like, g mister Pence, will you pardon

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Speaker 4: Trump if you become president?

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Speaker 3: Maybe you ask it a few in a row.

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Speaker 1: But I think for Sage Steele here this is a

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Speaker 1: form of liberation because she's coming out and telling the truth.

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Speaker 1: But I think it lets you see behind the curtain

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Speaker 1: how much of a rig job is in effect, and

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Speaker 1: how protected Biden is, and yet they still will not

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Speaker 1: do very many interviews with him, even when you consider

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Speaker 1: that much of this is set up impossible for him

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Speaker 1: to fail. I don't even like I don't know about you.

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Speaker 1: I don't even really like that much knowing what the

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Speaker 1: topics are going to be on television. I do a

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Speaker 1: lot of Fox News hits, and I always say buck

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Speaker 1: and I did three hours of radio. If I'm not

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Speaker 1: prepared to talk on television for three minutes about any

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you ask me anything.

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Speaker 4: Basically, I never as a host, I can tell you

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Speaker 4: I never ask for talking points. I don't understand why

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Speaker 4: with certain people they ask for talking points. This is

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Speaker 4: that curveball, you know so, and you're also not going

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Speaker 4: bothered by that. I feel like it's a giant It

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Speaker 4: show has asked me for talking points beforehand, and I

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I think it's worthless personally.

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Speaker 4: But that all said, Sage Steel coming out and making

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Speaker 4: same right. We know she's not the only one correct,

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Speaker 4: so why would't anyone else come out and back her

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Speaker 4: experience with Biden. It's because right now, the people who

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Speaker 4: the public with the truth, their primary concern is what

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Speaker 4: will this do for me and my partisan belief system,

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Speaker 4: especially after the election?

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Speaker 3: Right like, where do I go when this is all done?

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Speaker 1: I think also again speaks to Biden's decrepitude that even

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Speaker 1: with these rig job safety interview guidelines in place, he's

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Speaker 1: to tie this in with whenever you see him walk

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Speaker 1: seen a more scripted presidency. And yet the moment Biden

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Speaker 4: You know, there's generally two concerns when people are when

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Speaker 4: the handlers are all trying to make sure that there

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Speaker 4: fumble and bumble around. That's usually the concern, Clay. I

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Speaker 4: think with Biden, the primary concern is, and I'm just

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Speaker 1: to beat their rival. If you told people right now, hey,

436
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Speaker 1: your team can be completely heterosexual but they lose every game,

437
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Speaker 1: or your team can be half gay and they win

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Speaker 1: the championship, every real sports fan would be like, I'll

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Speaker 1: take the half gay team. People just don't care, right,

440
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Speaker 1: Like in your own private life, if you want to

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Speaker 1: make yourself happier and love who you want to love,

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Speaker 1: I think the vast majority of people don't care. I know,

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Speaker 1: sports fans only care about wins, right, and companies should.

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Speaker 3: Care about profit.

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Speaker 4: This is why the fight over women in men's sports

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Speaker 4: is actually so important, even from the perspective of you know,

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Speaker 4: people that don't watch a lot of professional sports, because

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Speaker 4: one of the only areas of public life where you

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Speaker 4: can see true tests of objective excellence and where objective

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Speaker 4: excellence is rewarded, yes, is professional athletics.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the very few where everyone can see it. Right,

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Speaker 3: you could say, oh, like, look at this.

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Speaker 4: You know Hedge fund guys performance, or look at this

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Speaker 4: doctor's number of surgeries. Yeah, but you don't have twenty

455
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Speaker 4: million people watching the doctor do with surgeries, right, you

456
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Speaker 4: do have that. So for the social impact, the psychological

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Speaker 4: impact on our society is the one area where we

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Speaker 4: can see what is what seems to be the objective

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Speaker 4: competition and that it is supposed to elevate excellence. They're

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Speaker 4: telling us, yeah, that six foot five guy who weighs

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Speaker 4: two hundred and forty pounds has no advantage over those

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Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty pound girls. And because if they

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Speaker 4: can get you to say that, as we've said before,

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Speaker 4: they get you say absolutely anything. They can get you say,

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Speaker 4: you know, there is no difference between a penis and

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Speaker 4: a vagina.

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Speaker 3: It's the same thing. They can get you to say anything.

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Speaker 1: It's also why you never hear the DEI people say,

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Speaker 1: you know, the US men's basketball team needs to be

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Speaker 1: more diverse. Twelve black guys, it's not really representative of

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Speaker 1: what the United States looks like. The twelve black guys

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Speaker 1: are the best, right, and people want the best. DEI

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Speaker 1: doesn't really work in sports because the best might And

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Speaker 1: you see where England was complaining because the English women's

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Speaker 1: soccer team was too white, and you're like, well, are

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Speaker 1: there non white players that are better that should be

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Speaker 1: excellence in sports, and it gets shot down really quickly

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Speaker 1: in the world of sport.

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Speaker 3: This is also honest.

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Speaker 4: And this is also why when they say that, you know,

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Speaker 4: women make eighty seven cents on the dollar or seventy

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Speaker 4: Second hour of Play and Buck kicks off right now.

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Speaker 4: We're going to discuss this drone strike that killed seven

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Speaker 4: civilian aid workers in Gaza.

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Speaker 3: On Monday a couple of days ago.

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Speaker 4: A lot of political backlash to this in the aftermath

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Speaker 4: of the strike. The headline here up on the Daily

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Speaker 4: Mail Biden is pissed.

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Speaker 3: That is the quote.

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Speaker 4: They say that Joe Biden is furious and is getting

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Speaker 4: ready for a very tense phone call with Benjamin Netanyahu

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Speaker 4: after this strike killed seven aid workers. This is what

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Speaker 4: we know about it so far. IDF and IDF has

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Speaker 4: taken responsibility for this. They have said it as a tragedy.

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Speaker 4: They have said it as an accident, and there will

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Speaker 4: be a full investigation into how this could happen. It

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Speaker 4: was a marked aid convoy from a World Central kitchen

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Speaker 4: and they're trying to get food to people who obviously

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Speaker 4: they are are facing hunger and even possible starvation in

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Speaker 4: the midst of this war zone. So there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of outrage from people about this. I think that one

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Speaker 4: thing that has gotten perhaps the most attention in terms

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Speaker 4: of the response to this so far has been. Chef

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Speaker 4: Jose Andres, who is the one who has coordinated this strike,

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Speaker 4: has said, and team let me know when we have him.

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Speaker 3: We have it. Okay.

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Speaker 4: Here is Chef Jose Andres saying that what Israel did

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Speaker 4: with this strike was intentional.

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Speaker 3: It was murder. Listen.

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Speaker 6: And this happened over more than one point five one

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Speaker 6: point eight kilometers, So this was not use a bad

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Speaker 6: luck situation where oops, we dropped the bomb in the

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Speaker 6: wrong place or or no. This was over one point

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Speaker 6: five one point eight kilometers with a very defined humanitarian

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Speaker 6: convoy that had signs in the top in the roofs.

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Speaker 6: I'm very colorful, lolo, that we are obviously very proud of.

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Speaker 6: But that's very clear who we are and what we do.

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Speaker 6: But I know is that we were targeted deliberately, not

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Speaker 6: as Tom until everybody was dead in this conboy.

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Speaker 3: Targeted deliberately, he says Jose Andres.

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Speaker 4: This is a celebrity chef who's put together World World Kitchen,

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Speaker 4: World Central Kitchen play. I just think that it's important.

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Speaker 4: First of all, Jose Andres is somebody who at the

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Speaker 4: very beginning of this meaning right after October seventh, was

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Speaker 4: very vocal calling for a ceasefire right away. So the

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Speaker 4: people who have called for a ceasefire after what we

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Speaker 4: saw on October seventh, or I think, acting in bad faith,

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Speaker 4: they generally wanted Israel to suffer a horrific terror attack.

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Speaker 4: If someone had told me that they wanted to call

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Speaker 4: for and there were some people who said this very few,

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Speaker 4: a ceasefire with al Qaeda and the global Jihat after

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Speaker 4: nine to eleven, I would have only had four letter

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Speaker 4: words to say to them about it. I think, and

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Speaker 4: I think that a lot of Israel and the Israelis

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Speaker 4: and the Jewish people feel the same way as they should.

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Speaker 4: The notion that this was intentional. Let's unpack this for

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Speaker 4: a second. If Israel wanted to blow up every AID convoy,

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Speaker 4: they could blow up every AID convoy, and there's nothing

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Speaker 4: the Palestinians could do to stop them. In fact, if

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Speaker 4: they wanted to destroy every standing building in Gaza, everything

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Speaker 4: and kill everyone in Gaza, they could do so, and

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Speaker 4: there's nothing that the people of Gaza could do to

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Speaker 4: stop them. This only makes their actual mission more complicated.

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Speaker 4: I always say, we say on the show, look at incentives.

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Speaker 4: There is no incentive put aside the moral calculations here

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Speaker 4: for a second. There is no combat incentive for the

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Speaker 4: Israelis to do this. And I'm reminded of the horrific

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Speaker 4: mistake that we made, or the Biden administration made, during

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Speaker 4: the withdrawal from Afghanistan. We blew up a car with

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Speaker 4: I think six or seven kids. It was a father

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Speaker 4: and his six or seven children. We said it was

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Speaker 4: a suicide bomber. We hit a drone we were following

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Speaker 4: the car. We turned the whole thing into charcoal, and

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Speaker 4: that was America. These kind of mistakes, as awful as

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Speaker 4: they are, do happen.

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Speaker 1: In war one hundred percent. And that's what exactly where

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Speaker 1: I was going to go to. I think we killed

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Speaker 1: ten innocent people in Afghanistan with the idea this guy

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Speaker 1: was driving around with a suicide bomb or a bomb

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Speaker 1: in his in his vehicle, and it turns out that

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Speaker 1: he was a dad coming home from a work day

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Speaker 1: and we blew up his whole family.

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Speaker 4: And that doesn't mean he did not do that intentionally.

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Speaker 4: I can say, you know, knowing the people that make

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Speaker 4: these decisions, and the Biden administration did not do that intentionally.

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Speaker 4: They didn't say, blow up a bunch of kids. Nobody

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Speaker 4: wanted that to happen. It was a colossal screw up.

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Speaker 4: There was no accountability for it. But that's another conversation.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, intent is important here because the

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Speaker 1: way that that celebrity chef is phrasing things, he's making

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Speaker 1: it sound like they intentionally killed these individuals.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't.

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Speaker 1: They could have intentionally targeted this group with the idea

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Speaker 1: being that it was somebody else, as happened in Afghanistan.

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Speaker 1: But the real intent here, which we seem to be forgetting,

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Speaker 1: was the intent of Hamas to kill as many Jews

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Speaker 1: as possible without fail. What Israel has done since then

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Speaker 1: is try to respond to guarantee that Hamas cannot do

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Speaker 1: again what it did on October seventh. And so I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of sympathy.

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Speaker 3: For anyone who is allowing.

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Speaker 1: Hamas to still exist in all of the Gaza region.

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Speaker 1: That's why this is going on. Hamas began this war,

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Speaker 1: and now that they are reaping the consequences of beginning

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Speaker 1: the war, I don't have any desire for Israel to

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Speaker 1: stop until they have ended Hamas's ability to do this

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Speaker 1: again for potentially generations, maybe forever.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: The challenge, of course, is when you are dealing with

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Speaker 1: people who believe that they are going to die and

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Speaker 1: be martyrs and get seventy virgins, when you are dealing

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Speaker 1: with their rational people, dealing with them rationally in fighting

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Speaker 1: a war creates a whole other generation of people who

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Speaker 1: are going to continue to want to rain down depredations

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Speaker 1: upon the Israeli people. That's the reality of where they are.

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Speaker 1: And so the idea that what I don't like is

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Speaker 1: when one incident like this turns into a major flashpoint

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Speaker 1: of oh, this is unacceptable. Israel is saying, I believe

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Speaker 1: buck that they have killed somewhere in the neighborhood of

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Speaker 1: fifteen thousand Hamas fighters and people in gods are saying

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Speaker 1: there's thirty thousand people that have been killed. It's hard

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Speaker 1: to figure out exactly what the numbers are, what percentage

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Speaker 1: are combatants, what percent are so called innocent lives, And

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Speaker 1: the reality is this is impossible to do without there.

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Speaker 3: Being some loss of innocent civilian life. And your point

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Speaker 3: is a good one.

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Speaker 1: If Israel wanted to carpet bomb Gaza and basically wipe

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Speaker 1: Gaza off the face of the earth, he'll kill everyone

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Speaker 1: there they do.

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Speaker 3: It Plase, Yeah, there's nothing that they could have done

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Speaker 3: it on October eighth. They could have done it on

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Speaker 3: October eighth.

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Speaker 1: They could have rained down Holy Hell upon Gaza and

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Speaker 1: cease to have anyone alive. Basically in that entire footprint,

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Speaker 1: they've actually tried not to. And I thought it was

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Speaker 1: Douglas Murrie was a buck who made the argument that

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Speaker 1: you talk about what is a what is a justifiable response,

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Speaker 1: what is commensurate with the proportional response that is allowed.

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Speaker 1: Nothing that Israel has done is as evil as what

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Speaker 1: Hamas did to Israel on October seventh, None of it,

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Speaker 1: because their intent from the get go has been to

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Speaker 1: try to avoid killing anyone but enemy combatants, and Hamas

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Speaker 1: has hidden enemy combat all throughout places where innocent people

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Speaker 1: would be hospitals, schools, churches, synagogues, Muslim places of worship.

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Speaker 1: They have hired hid people wherever they could to try

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Speaker 1: to make Israel look like the bad guy whenever they

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Speaker 1: go after.

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Speaker 4: Them, I mean Hamas fighters in the name of the

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Speaker 4: Palestinian people, and with orders from above to do this,

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Speaker 4: gang raped and then murdered Israeli women.

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Speaker 3: And Israeli teenagers. They did that.

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Speaker 4: When someone does that, the only response in a just

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Speaker 4: world is to hunt them down and kill them. And

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Speaker 4: they haven't killed all of the Hamas fighters, so the

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Speaker 4: fight is not over until they do. And this is

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Speaker 4: how I felt about bin Laden and Alcada and what

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Speaker 4: they did to us on nine to eleven. So I

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Speaker 4: afford our Israeli brothers and sisters the same rights of

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Speaker 4: self defense as I would afford the American people and have.

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Speaker 4: So I don't see this the way that the jose

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Speaker 4: Andres's of the world do that there's some kind of uh,

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Speaker 4: you know, moral parody here and then it's oh, fog

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Speaker 4: of war and both sides are doing these bad things.

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Speaker 3: Uh, the the just.

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Speaker 4: The only thing that Hamas did on October seventh was

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Speaker 4: pursue evil down into the depths of hell and try

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Speaker 4: to kill as many people who were defenseless and who

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Speaker 4: are innocent and who had done nothing to them as

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Speaker 4: they possibly could, and mutilate them and sexually abuse them.

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Speaker 4: And it didn't advance their interests in nation state. It

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Speaker 4: didn't advance It wasn't it wasn't about some kind of

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Speaker 4: territorial dispute really, ultimately, because that's not going to get there.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't anyway, buck even a military attack right like,

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Speaker 1: wasn't as if they were trying to do something to

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Speaker 1: the people who were actual soldiers.

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Speaker 4: Only ask yourself this, what is the concession that Hamas

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Speaker 4: thinks that it was going to get from doing that

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Speaker 4: and also taking the hostages. They didn't take hostages so

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Speaker 4: that they could negotiate a long term and durable peace

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Speaker 4: and then return them all. As you know, they've killed

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Speaker 4: hostages in their custody and sexually abuse them as well.

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Speaker 4: They did all this out of just sheer malice. It

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Speaker 4: was just an act of malice and hatred and viciousness.

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Speaker 4: And the only way to respond with that. I mean,

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Speaker 4: if someone you know breaks into a home, you know,

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Speaker 4: rapes and murders of family, and then walks out and says,

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Speaker 4: you know, I want to have a conversation, but the

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Speaker 4: challenges I've had in life, the proper response is to

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Speaker 4: execute that individual. And that is what the Israelis are

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Speaker 4: doing by chasing down the Hamas fighters who came into

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Speaker 4: their country and did this. And I think it very

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Speaker 4: strange that people that I know, I'll say this even

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Speaker 4: on the right, who.

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Speaker 3: Have who have shown.

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Speaker 4: Clarity when it came to our fight against the jihattists,

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Speaker 4: against the al Qaeda and its affiliated entities, basically the

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Speaker 4: global jih hottiest ideology or really just ge hottest because

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Speaker 4: it's always global.

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Speaker 3: Those some of those same voices.

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Speaker 4: Are thinking that somehow the Israelis aren't in a similar struggle.

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Speaker 4: There actually are in a similar struggle. The parallels are

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Speaker 4: very clear to me. I don't see why anyone on

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Speaker 4: the right wouldn't understand that.

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Speaker 1: If people from Mexico or Canada, but anywhere on our

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Speaker 1: border crossed over and killed twelve hundred innocent people. Do

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Speaker 1: you think we would stop because we accidentally killed seven

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Speaker 1: innocent people or seven thousand innocent people, if we thought

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Speaker 1: that we had not ended the threat that that could

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Speaker 1: ever happen again. Of course not so I wouldn't expect

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Speaker 1: Israel to do anything less.

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Speaker 4: And Mexico and Canada would never would never do that

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Speaker 4: as governing states, the people in that country, in those countries,

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Speaker 4: would never do that. And I need to say, oh,

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Speaker 4: all people are capable of evil. It's different in the

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Speaker 4: areas of Gaza and the West Bank. They I have

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Speaker 4: friends who have interviewed mothers in the West Bank, for example,

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Speaker 4: who lost their children as a in a suicide bombing.

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Speaker 4: This is back in the earlier days of the Second

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Speaker 4: into Fada in the early two thousands, and the mothers

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Speaker 4: beam with pride that you know, they're twenty year old

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Speaker 4: went into a pizzeria in Jerusalem and blew up, you know,

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Speaker 4: a dozen people and had ball bearing shredding people's you know,

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Speaker 4: faces and lungs, and they thought that was great. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I thought that was really And that's widespread. Just to

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Speaker 4: be clear, that's widespread. The Hamas entity gives money to

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Speaker 4: the families of suicide bombers.

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Speaker 3: And still does to this day. So this is it's official.

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Speaker 4: It's official policy from all the way on down to

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Speaker 4: be as vicious and inhumane as possible. And it is

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Speaker 4: and this is strggedy to say that it is ultimately

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Speaker 4: rooted in hatred of the Jewish people. And that is

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Speaker 4: just the truth from somebody who has seen it himself

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Speaker 4: by being over there and understanding the mentality of these jihadists.

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Speaker 4: So I get that for people like Jose Andres, they

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Speaker 4: think that all people can be bad, and why don't

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Speaker 4: we all just get along, and why can't we all

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Speaker 4: be friends. Maybe we can get along when every Hamas

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Speaker 4: fighter is dead or in prison and Hamas is no

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Speaker 4: longer governing Gaza. I think then the Israelis and the

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Speaker 4: Palestinian people have a real shot at having a conversation

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Speaker 4: about the future. Until then, I don't think there is

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Speaker 4: a conversation to be had. That's how I see it.

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Speaker 4: Eight hundred two two eight two. If you think I'm wrong,

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Speaker 4: let me know. Soon in theaters about a week from now,

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Speaker 4: a new epic depiction of our.

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Speaker 3: Nation in crisis mode.

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Speaker 4: It's a movie called Civil War, directed by filmmaker Alex

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Speaker 4: Garland and getting good advance reviews. It's a vision of

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Speaker 4: America you'd only want to see in theaters and not

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Speaker 4: in real life if you binge watched The Last of Us,

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Speaker 4: great movie nearly in the same vein. It portrays a

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Speaker 4: dystopian future America and a team of military embedded journalists

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Speaker 4: racing against time to reach Washington, d C. Before rebel

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Speaker 4: Jesse Plemmons, and others. The movie again is titled Civil War.

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Speaker 4: Make your plans now to go see it in theaters

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Speaker 4: next weekend.

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Speaker 5: Don't miss the day of the Clay Travis and buck

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Speaker 5: Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Join now

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Speaker 1: by the host of Dirty Jobs with Mike Rowe. He

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Speaker 1: has done a phenomenal job, writer, narrator, producer, Emmy Award

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Speaker 1: winning best selling author. And that's a lot of that's

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Speaker 1: a lot of aspects out here.

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Speaker 5: Mike.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate you coming on.

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Speaker 1: And we were talking about it a little bit earlier,

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Speaker 1: and I was even reading, i think at the Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal recently a story about people who are younger

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Speaker 1: in their twenties starting to embrace plumbing and hemreting Llayaway.

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Speaker 1: It's how gen z is becoming the tool belt generation.

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Speaker 1: Are you optimistic, Mike that a lot of people are

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Speaker 1: maybe stepping into jobs that they didn't foresee twenty years ago,

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Speaker 1: people being interested in.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's a little early for a victory lap, although

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Speaker 5: I'd love to take one. We've been at this for

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Speaker 5: sixteen years now, you know, trying to challenge the idea

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Speaker 5: that the best path for the most people is the

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Speaker 5: most expensive path educationally, and also trying to shine a

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Speaker 5: light on about ten million open positions right now, very

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Speaker 5: few of which require a four year degree. These jobs

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Speaker 5: require training, vocational education, trade schools, and so forth. So

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Speaker 5: it's a bit like pushing a boulder up a hill,

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Speaker 5: or maybe turning around a tanker, you know, in the

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Speaker 5: middle of the ocean. Pick your metaphor, but it takes

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Speaker 5: a long time to challenge those kinds of stigmas and

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Speaker 5: stereotypes that surround the trades. This article got my attention,

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Speaker 5: and everybody on my social pages all tapped me on

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Speaker 5: the shoulder and said, look, this is really encouraging. You know,

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Speaker 5: it's not what a lot of people expect gen Z

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Speaker 5: to do, right. This is the generation that is most

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Speaker 5: often targeted, is lazy and entitled and spoiled and all

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Speaker 5: this other stuff. But it's like they got the memo

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Speaker 5: and they've looked around and they've seen a lot of

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Speaker 5: diplomas hanging on a lot of walls and concluded quite

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Speaker 5: rightly that it's not necessarily an indication of what you've learned.

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Speaker 5: It's an indication of what you paid. It's a receipt

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Speaker 5: right and one point seven trillion dollars in student loans

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Speaker 5: is no joke. And gen Z doesn't want any part

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Speaker 5: of it. They want to learn a skill that's in demand,

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Speaker 5: and I think that's good news.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Mike, where do people who are thinking about there's like,

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Speaker 4: how you know, if you're somebody who's let's say you're eighteen,

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Speaker 4: you're senior in high school and you're considering it, what

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Speaker 4: are the some of the pathways? I mean, is it

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Speaker 4: just applying to trade school? There are apprenticeship programs, and

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Speaker 4: how do people learn more about, for example, what would

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Speaker 4: be a particularly in demand trade in their area or

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Speaker 4: particularly high paying trade in their area?

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Speaker 3: What are the resources?

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Speaker 5: Well, you can't possibly grew up by learning how to weld.

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Speaker 5: Welding is like the gateway into the skilled trades. My

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Speaker 5: foundation has trained hundreds of welders. We've helped a couple

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Speaker 5: thousand people get the training they need to start whatever

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Speaker 5: trade they're into. So, to answer your question, microworks dot

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Speaker 5: org shameless plug all kinds of information on my site,

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Speaker 5: along with a million dollars right now we're giving away

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Speaker 5: next month in scholarships for trade schools. But there's so

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Speaker 5: many ways to go buck. I mean, they're certainly community

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Speaker 5: colleges and their obvious trade schools all over the place.

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Speaker 5: A lot of big companies today have their own internal programs.

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Speaker 5: You know, when we took shop class out of high

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Speaker 5: school forty years ago, we really kind of unleash the kraken,

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Speaker 5: you know, that decision removed from view so many vocations,

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Speaker 5: and so we went through a period where a lot

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Speaker 5: of millennials didn't even get a look at what works

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Speaker 5: like on that side of the workforce anyway. So it's

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Speaker 5: been a long road back. But the resources are all

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Speaker 5: over the place. Companies are falling over themselves to hire,

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Speaker 5: the opportunities to get training are everywhere. I'm I can't

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Speaker 5: overstate it. It's been one of the great unreported stories

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Speaker 5: in my lifetime, the skills gap, ten million open jobs,

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Speaker 5: all that opportunity sitting around. At the same time, we've

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Speaker 5: been told you're screwed if you don't get a four

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Speaker 5: year degree. It's literally the opposite.

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Speaker 1: I think that's so important, Mike, because you mentioned the

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Speaker 1: one point seven trillion dollars in student loan debt. Let's

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Speaker 1: say there's an eighteen year old who's listening to us

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Speaker 1: right now, and his options are, I can take out

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Speaker 1: tens of thousands of dollars in debt to get an

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Speaker 1: English major nothing wrong with that degree, which is not

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Speaker 1: necessarily going to lead me towards being better at any

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Speaker 1: particular profession. Or I can go start being a plumber

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Speaker 1: at eighteen. You're nineteen years old, you're stacking tens of

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Speaker 1: thousands of dollars in assets, and you're starting off when

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Speaker 1: the college kids coming out at twenty two or twenty three,

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Speaker 1: in tens of thousands of dollars in debt, you could

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Speaker 1: have tens of thousands of dollars in savings. How much

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Speaker 1: do you think people are now recognizing that? And are

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Speaker 1: people still not aware of how much money there is

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Speaker 1: out there in plumbing or elect doing electrical work or

872
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Speaker 1: all these other things you mentioned welding. What else would

873
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Speaker 1: you tell people that there is abundant opportunity in if

874
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Speaker 1: they'll just go grab it.

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Speaker 5: Electricians. Electricians are in super short supply. Plumbers, steam fitters

876
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Speaker 5: pipe fitters, heating and air conditioning guys. I mean, I

877
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Speaker 5: can't even tell you. If you're not making six figures

878
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 5: and you're in that space, you're either just getting started

879
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 5: or you're unwilling to go to where the work is.

880
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 5: But even then, I mean, the work is pretty much everywhere.

881
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Speaker 5: The track clay in your question is really the reason

882
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Speaker 5: that I'm not in politics, I can't. I'm sure there

883
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Speaker 5: are some eighteen year olds listening right now, but I

884
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Speaker 5: don't know who they are. I don't know what their

885
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 5: skills are, I don't know what their attitude is. Right,

886
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 5: and so much of what our elected officials do, and unfortunately,

887
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 5: what guidance counselors do is they paint with a really

888
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Speaker 5: broad brush, and you wind up hearing from a lot

889
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Speaker 5: of people who have a certain amount of influence that

890
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Speaker 5: this is what your kid should do, or this is

891
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Speaker 5: what you should do. And I think it's that tendency

892
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Speaker 5: to talk in platitudes and paint with a broad brush

893
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Speaker 5: that's brought us to the place where we are right now.

894
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Speaker 5: We're still a country of individuals, and your kid, your

895
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Speaker 5: eighteen year old kid, might very likely be wired in

896
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Speaker 5: a profoundly different way than mine. So I'm kind of

897
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Speaker 5: stingy with advice in terms of telling groups of people

898
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Speaker 5: what to do. But you can't ignore the big trends.

899
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Speaker 5: You can't ignore ten million open positions right now. You

900
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Speaker 5: can't ignore you want to hear some really horrible math.

901
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Speaker 5: The number that scares me more than one point seven

902
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 5: trillion in student loans is five every year for every

903
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Speaker 5: five tradesmen who retire to replace them. Now, that's been

904
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Speaker 5: gone on for over a decade, and when you start

905
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Speaker 5: to just extrapolate that out, what you realize real fast

906
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Speaker 5: is this is not just a conversation about companies who

907
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 5: are struggling to recruit talent or kids who are struggling

908
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Speaker 5: to find a path to prosperity. This is a conversation

909
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 5: about how long Clay Travis and bucksex and want to

910
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 5: wait for a plumber when they need one, or an electrician.

911
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 5: Every single person listening to this has skin in the game,

912
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Speaker 5: because every one of your audience members shares my addiction

913
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Speaker 5: to smooth roads and affordable electricity and indoor plumbing and

914
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 5: a long list of other stuff that we've been taking

915
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Speaker 5: for granted long before Dirty Jobs went on the air.

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Speaker 4: You know, my uncle is a tradesman and a locksmith,

917
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Speaker 4: skilled locks with through the specialty stuff for you know, corporations,

918
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Speaker 4: and and my brother in law is actually a welder.

919
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 4: Carrie's brothers a welder, and one thing I hear from

920
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Speaker 4: both of them is they just don't have the time

921
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Speaker 4: to do all the jobs that people want them to do,

922
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Speaker 4: which is not a thing you often hear from that manyfolily.

923
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Speaker 4: There's so many offers to do different work in different

924
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Speaker 4: places that they can't get to it all. So, Mike,

925
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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm experiencing that for my own, uh you know,

926
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Speaker 4: extended family, what they're seeing out there. I'm just wondering

927
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Speaker 4: to what degree. Also, when you're you know, you're the

928
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Speaker 4: CEO of Mike Roworks Foundation, you're encouraging young people to

929
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Speaker 4: go into this, but you know, entrepreneurship, small business ownership.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's been my experience from people I know,

931
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Speaker 4: some of who have become very successful business owners, that

932
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Speaker 4: a lot of them start by working for a business

933
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Speaker 4: in the trades.

934
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Speaker 5: And this is this is part of the sort of

935
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Speaker 5: the disaster scenario. When we took shop Class out, we

936
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Speaker 5: also impacted not just the skilled workforce, but the the

937
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Speaker 5: entrepreneurial gene. The path to a small business so often

938
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Speaker 5: begins with the mastery of a trade. I mentioned welding before,

939
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Speaker 5: because you know, I know people who are underwater welders today.

940
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Speaker 5: They make three hundred thousand dollars a year. I know

941
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Speaker 5: others who are tig welders, you know, who are making

942
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Speaker 5: one hundred grand. And I know some who are making

943
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Speaker 5: less than that and are basically punching a clock. But

944
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Speaker 5: the most interesting cohort are the welders who hired another welder,

945
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Speaker 5: or more likely, hired an electrician and some HVAC guys,

946
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Speaker 5: and then bought a couple of vans and started a

947
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Speaker 5: mechanical contracting company. Those guys are everywhere, and they are

948
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Speaker 5: the engine of our economy, and their success stories aren't

949
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Speaker 5: told nearly enough because they start by doing something that

950
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Speaker 5: so many parents have come to believe as a vocational

951
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 5: consolation prize. I don't want my kid to be a welder.

952
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Speaker 5: The hell you don't, man. I can give you example

953
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Speaker 5: after example, and Buck, just a quick sidebar. I don't

954
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Speaker 5: know if you'll remember this, but I saw you ten

955
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Speaker 5: years ago. I think you were filling in for Beck,

956
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Speaker 5: and you did a story on one of my favorite

957
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Speaker 5: stories of all time. Nobody talks about it today, but

958
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 5: it was a message to Garcia. It was a story

959
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Speaker 5: about initiative, and it's a story about work ethic, and

960
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 5: it's a story about the willingness to cheerfully take hold

961
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Speaker 5: of a thing and lift. That's part of this conversation too,

962
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 5: and my foundation, you know, we award work ethic scholarships

963
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 5: because we're not just looking to fill an existing hole.

964
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Speaker 5: We're looking to find people who are willing to show

965
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 5: up early, stay late, take a bite of the crap sandwich, cheerfully,

966
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 5: volunteer for whatever task is at hand that's still for sale,

967
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 5: that still works. And if gen Z is the cohort

968
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 5: that steps up to do that with the tool belt

969
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 5: and a new understanding of what a.

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Speaker 1: Good job is, God bless them, Mike. Last question for you.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned parents or grandparents. How much encouragement do you

972
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: see from them? And I know there's a lot of

973
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: people out there that are worried their kids are not

974
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 1: working hard enough, maybe they're not making great grades in school,

975
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: but they do have that work ethic and they're trying

976
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: to find a way. I think most people have no

977
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: idea that you can make six figures doing a lot

978
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: of these jobs. Do you think parents and grandparents are

979
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: making their kids aware enough of that opportunity as well,

980
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: or do you think they've been sold the idea that

981
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 1: only success comes from the pathway of college. You can't

982
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: do anything else.

983
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 5: Again, I hate to paint with a broad brush, but

984
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 5: the short answer is yeah, by and large, we have

985
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 5: an idea in our head about what a good job

986
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 5: looks like. And look, most parents also want something better

987
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 5: for their kids than whatever they had. The problem is

988
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 5: what is better? Right? I mean, we get to decide

989
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 5: how much debt is good. We get to decide if work,

990
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 5: for instance, is the proximate cause of our unhappiness. There's

991
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 5: a very popular narrative in this country right now that

992
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 5: says that it is. That's why you'll see support for

993
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 5: Bernie Sanders thirty two hour work week crazy. But if

994
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 5: you believe in your heart that the reason you're unhappy

995
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 5: is because you're working too much, or if you believe,

996
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 5: like genuinely believe in your heart that you're going to

997
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 5: be happy when you retire, then you've bought into an

998
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 5: existing narrative that is in fact persuasive, and it's persuasive

999
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 5: because it's mirrored constantly in sitcoms and movies and advertisements.

1000
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 5: We are surrounded by this idea that work is the enemy,

1001
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 5: and that you're a failure if you're a parent, if

1002
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:50,240
Speaker 5: you don't get your kid into a proper school. So yeah,

1003
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Speaker 5: I would say to parents who believe that you might

1004
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 5: be right.

1005
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 3: Maybe your kid.

1006
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 5: Is exactly wired to do all of those things, but

1007
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 5: you might be wrong. Put all the options on the table,

1008
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 5: have an honest conversation about the realities of debt and

1009
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 5: the advantage of learning a skill that's in demand. My

1010
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 5: final thought is, you know this. I'm holding my cell

1011
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 5: phone in my hand right now and I'm looking at

1012
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Speaker 5: it because that is a liberal arts education and it's free.

1013
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 5: All the information I learned when I was in school

1014
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 5: in nineteen eighty four is right there. Man. If you're

1015
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 5: curious and you really want to learn whatever whatever floats

1016
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Speaker 5: your boat, you can watch a lecture on it right

1017
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Speaker 5: now for free at MIT or Brown or Yale.

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Speaker 3: It's all there.

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00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 5: Learn a skill first, master a trade, go to work.

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Speaker 3: Get rich.

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Speaker 4: Mike, what's the website? One more time for anyone listening,

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Speaker 4: cause I think some people listening are really interested in

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Speaker 4: following up and learning more.

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Speaker 3: Mike Ka, I believe is the website micro dot org.

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