WEBVTT - Does this matter? With Patrick Claybon 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:07.680 Be Around the NFL Podcast The Big Bad Blogger Boy. 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:12.760 Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. Today, 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:15.239 I'm gonna be your host, Greg Rosenthal, Dan hands this 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:21.239 out uh for the show alongside Mark Sessler and Patrick claibn. 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:24.080 It's been a long time since I did this little introduction. 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:26.840 I'm I'm not really totally sure I remember the words. 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:31.080 That last part is the most important part. Yeah, you 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:34.640 you questioning yourself, but you nailed it as always. Greg. Yeah, 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:36.560 you know, Greg, I think there was one show that 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:39.360 you were hosting where you called me Matt, So I 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:41.680 think you're off to already a better start than than 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:44.360 that episode was. Yeah, it's gonna be a loose show. 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:46.839 Dan Wren's a tight ship. He's you know, he's the 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:50.240 host with the most and m We're just gonna talk 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:54.040 about stories from this week. It's you know, we're we're 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.560 all getting ready for a little summer break a little bit. 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:58.880 Shows are going to be a little less often after this. 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:04.400 The NFL teams are about to go on summer vacation. Um. 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:07.520 It's got that last day of school type feel vibe 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:11.520 this week, except for for Claibon, who's wearing a tie 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:14.800 right now, and I think is working very hard throughout 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:17.920 the summer. So I'm sorry for the previous thirty seconds. 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:21.200 It's okay. I recognized that, you know, I am not 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:26.240 the protagonist of reality and other people's circumstances are different 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:28.320 than mine, and I appreciate it. I'm glad you guys 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:30.320 get a little bit of a break. Like. I'm not 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:33.680 vindictive about it, you know. Well, I mean there would 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:36.040 have been we were in personally, we were heading close 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:39.120 towards like rebellion territory if we didn't get like a 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:41.280 little bit of time here. So although we have two 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:44.279 shows coming up next week to set out the schedule early, 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:48.080 we're back next Tuesday and Thursday, I believe, so we'll 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:49.960 have a little bit of a break, a sixth day break. 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:51.880 We still got two shows this week, two shows next week, 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:53.320 and then I think we go once a week and 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.320 we go dark, uh for a little while. And um, 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:57.920 you know, it's stuck in my head. When we were 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:03.000 in person, Sessler, Dan said like the juice cleans Cessler 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:07.680 is not not his favorite Sessler, but at least you 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:09.080 know which I think it was a little harsh, but 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:14.240 it at least like on on screen the juice cleans. 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:18.520 Cessler might be my favorite Sessler. Sessler looks primed, he 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:22.160 looks jacked, he is the color is good, the shirt sunbottoned. 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.239 You know you look prime Cessler right now. So it 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:28.000 might be my favorite Sessler. I like we're going with this. 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:30.760 I will say that, Um, there's been a huge shift 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:32.320 in this house. I don't know if it's the same 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:34.720 in your houses, but you know, the l A weather, 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.680 l A regional weather has some hyped up a bit, 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:39.320 and it's boring to talk about whether, but I will 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:40.640 just say that one of the reasons I think I 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:43.280 have a bit of a rosier glow is that it's 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:45.720 like I'm sweating. It's hotter than a like a cannon 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:48.960 ball shot into my face right now. So yeah, you know, 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:54.320 great weather or historic drought that's gonna cause wildfire and 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:57.360 untold damage to our state. You who can say? But 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:00.000 it is it is nice. Much much as Robbie Anderson's 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.360 at about Sam Donald this week that there's an aura 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:05.160 a glow. I see it on Mark. I see the 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:10.040 energy ready to explode from him. Uh in a positive way, 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:14.640 not like Mark's gonna you know, sabotage a shipping lane. 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:16.800 I see it as is a good thing, like Mark's 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.000 gonna hug some people and it's good. So this is 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:23.240 more legit potentially than the Donald glow comments which I found. 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:26.200 You know, variable Barn's gotta like it too. I think 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:28.679 someone's gotta like this good looking sesslor not that he 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:33.520 is an high apathy. I would categorize it as high apathy. Uh, Clay, 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:36.640 that's a perfect transition. Because today's show again, we're gonna 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:39.400 talk about some stories this week. They would normally be 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:41.640 the news items, but instead we're just gonna make that 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:43.720 the segment. We're gonna throw out some things that happened 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:47.880 this week. Uh, and we're gonna just declare as a group. 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.880 I guess, um whether we care or not, do we 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.400 care or not? Does it matter or not? And uh, 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:55.680 we'll move on and why not? Like that's a fine 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:57.760 place to start. Wasn't planning on talking it. But do 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:00.560 you think Sam Donald's rosy glo? Oh do we care 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:05.200 about that? Patrick Clavon, You know that Robby Anderson says 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:06.760 he's got an aura, he's got a he's got a 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.160 different vibe about him. I care enough to make jokes 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.360 about it because I think it's funny because it goes 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:13.120 to so much of the way I think about sports, 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:14.600 and the way that we turn it into like a 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:17.800 cartoon is to say, like, oh, this person is summoning 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:22.080 the strength of the door, right, he's gonna wield the hammer. Um, yeah, 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:26.560 I'm glad Sam is happy. I'm glad the vibes are good. Now. Um, 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:28.800 I don't know if that makes him a better football player, 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:30.960 but yeah, I guess in the grand scheme of things, no, 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:35.560 if we're saying doesn't matter his disposition, no, Uh, what 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.040 matters is is he a better football player? Yeah. I 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:41.480 mean it's like Robbie Anderson and Sam Donald, they've seen 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:44.880 some things, having been part of that Jets wreckage. I mean, 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.440 I do think there's probably something to the fact that 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:50.240 they're simply happier. Um. I gave Robbie Anderson a little 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.160 bit of credit for, you know, we're killing these players 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:55.240 understandably for the endless tropes. This was a little bit. 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:58.240 This wasn't a Weather Warren trope the same way that 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:00.679 you normally hear about quarterbacks. I mean, we're talking auras, 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:03.440 we're talking clothes. Um. This is also a player that 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.320 did not know the Panthers mascots. So I'm not sure 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:08.680 how dep dug to create this narrative, but I I'd 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.279 enjoyed it to some degree. Yeah, I like it. I 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:13.279 mean when you yeah, when you can go from gaze 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:15.880 to uh, Joe Brady and Matt Rule, who I think 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:18.480 are gonna kinna help Sam Donald out. Not sure about 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.640 that offensive line in Carolina. PFF did like an offensive 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:26.240 line rankings going into the season. Steve Palazalo, I never 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:27.920 know how to say his last day, and he they 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:30.719 had him thirty and you look at it and it's 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:32.680 not great. I wasn't planning on doing Donald, but that 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:34.760 seems like a fun place to start. We are going 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:36.720 to give some book recommendations. By the way, at the 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:39.400 end of the show, you know, Mark Mark suggested that 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:41.880 I like that it's summer reading time, and so that's 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:43.840 how we're going to close the show. But let's go 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:47.919 to a bigger item of news this week, which is 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:51.280 all these mandatory mini camp holdouts, which is the only 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.200 time you can use the word hold out until training 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:55.360 camp because they are required to be there and they 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.440 can be fined if they are not there, and Xavian Howard, 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:04.360 the Dolphins corner back, was a surprise absence this week. Uh, 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.760 he wants a new contract. That's what Brian Flores, the 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:11.320 Dolphins head coach, alluded to, and he called a quote 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.880 unique situation when it came to Howard. Do we care 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:17.880 about this one? Mark? I mean, I think it's something 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:20.600 to monitor. It doesn't sound like it's it's like super 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:23.880 cantankerous based on what Flora said, and he was kind 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:26.320 of veiled in his comments. But this is a player 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:28.640 that just signed a new year, a new deal, a 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:32.359 massive extension, and now wants more money. It kind of 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:35.520 reminds me of when we talked about Stephon Gilmore on 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:37.960 UM Monday was that I I don't know what did Monday 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.880 like that. You know, when he signed his deal, the 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.039 deal look great, but then even a couple of years later, 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:45.840 your fall down on that list of who's getting paid 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:48.800 at cornerback and he's behind his teammate Byron Jones, which 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:50.920 I think maybe could be a little bit a little 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:52.440 bit of just I want to be heard. I want 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:54.880 to have some money moved around. I don't want to 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.000 be locked into this from now until the end of time. 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:00.080 UM that's you know, and so we monitor it and 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.200 I leave it there. I think I think it matters 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:07.000 in the sense of what Xavian Howard's golds are long term, 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:09.440 because I think if if the discrepancy is between the 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:11.640 twelve million for him this year and the fourteen million 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:14.240 for Byron Jones, then I wouldn't really be sure what 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:17.160 he's doing. Um, if I'm not mistaken, he's the second 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.480 highest paid player on the whole team, So I don't 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:23.360 necessarily think this is as much about I think the 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:27.000 team's potential outcomes in and he's had a few good 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.040 years in Miami, so I can see from his point 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:31.640 of view the desire for a long term trying to 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:33.480 kind of answer to what his career is going to 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:36.000 be like, because it'd be around a three million dollar 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:37.920 cap hit if they let him go next year, depending 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:41.240 on the timing. Um, I'm I'm looking at you know 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:44.560 the dropped battery charges right, Um, you know he there 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:50.160 was a domestic battery is arrest and they were then dropped. Um. 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:53.320 I'm not sure if they're a concern for Miami right 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:55.880 as much as they should concern anybody right when somebody's 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.640 accused of domestic battery. But I think the Dolphins might 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.840 see that as a justification for paying him less, because 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.320 if they were truly concerned, uh, then he wouldn't be 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:08.440 on the team. Right. So I think the Dolphins, the 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:10.200 Dolphins would like to pay him less as much as 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:12.440 you know, any any employer would probably like to pay 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:16.000 a productive employee less. Uh. And so they see, you know, 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:17.800 the way that that's playing out. But I really think 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:20.600 it's just him looking for some sort of long term answer. 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:22.960 But he got a long term answer. He signed through. 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:27.480 I think it doesn't matter then next year though, right, 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:31.200 But they never would because he's a defensive Player of 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.360 the Year candidate last year, who who is you know, 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:38.240 relatively affordable for a cornerback. He signed like a five year, 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:40.880 seventy five million dollar country at a time when I 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:44.240 think they were probably differing opinions on Davian Howard, like 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.520 he's up and down, and like at the time, people 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:48.040 are like, Wow, that's a really good deal for Howard. 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:50.679 That's them believing in their young player and and on 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:53.160 the field last year he backed it up with a 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:55.640 first team all proceeds. I think it's really unique. It 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.640 matters in the sense of like, any how much can 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.160 any story for the end of felt matter in June 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:05.320 um because I think it's tricky. I I don't see 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:07.839 how you gives Amen Howard more money, not just because 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.440 it's a precedent with so many years left on his contract, 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.839 but he signed it two years ago. He signed for 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:16.840 three or four more years. Since he signed the contract, 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:20.440 he had that domestic violence arrest. I mean, he he 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.240 was in jail, Like that's significant. How can that not 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:28.079 I've seen a handful of analyzes on this situation that 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:32.480 don't even mention that, like, of course that should factor 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.080 into whether you should sign a guy to a long 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:38.000 term contract. And then in the two years since the 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.800 other year he missed eleven games or seven games, nine games, 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:42.559 whatever was, he missed more than half the season with 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:45.240 a knee injury. In so since he signed that contract, 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:48.040 they got one incredible year one where he was hurt 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.319 and you had this off field issue. But I think 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:53.000 the main thing is we see this again and again, 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.360 and we're seeing it with Chandler Jones in Arizona. Guys 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:57.959 hate it when you signed a new player at your 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.840 position to more money, and so he's just pissed that 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.080 he knows he's better than Byron Jones, or at least 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:06.640 he was, and Byron Jones is right next to him, 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:08.760 and he's making more money. We see this at our 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:12.560 workplace sometimes. Absolutely, I'm not gonna name names. It's it's 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:15.040 at any workplace. I'm not gonna name names. If we 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.320 knew how much everybody was making, I guess we would 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:19.360 would see it. Sometimes it pops up and you have 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.920 an idea, though, and some people are not happy. I mean, 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:24.080 I'm saying in front of the camera, behind the camera, 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:26.640 I think this is a universal thing. I'm not. I'm not. 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:30.560 I once had a terrible UM. It was a job 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.679 where you basically wrote like proposals to get business. This 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.240 was a sort of a startup company up in Malibu. Um. 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:39.480 Long story short, family owned about twenty employees. But some 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:44.040 dunderheaded idiot and it wasn't me. UM sent out mistakenly 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:48.280 the pay the salary of every single person inside the building, 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.360 and like you know, a cornerback room, there were seven 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:53.760 or eight people that were kind of grinders that we 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:55.920 would all be looked at in the same role, and 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:58.200 they all were equally valuable, but one of them was 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:01.200 getting paid like twice as much as anyone else. And 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.920 one guy who probably just wasn't good at UM fighting 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.720 for himself was getting paid like um someone that had 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.640 been hired from a temp agency. So it caused immediate 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:13.520 headaches and volcanoes. It was fascinating to watch shout out 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:16.199 to shout out to that guy, shout out to Comrade Dunderhead. 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:22.000 I know, like normal and I'm all for normalizing um 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:26.560 salary and financial talk and money talk. Like in general, 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:29.840 people get to tow up, you know, people act like 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:31.840 it's the most private thing in the world. Let's let's 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.840 normalize this. It's just it's just money. Well, we shouldn't 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.880 be all in our feelings about it. Let's stay in 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:41.640 Miami though for our second the next story, and and 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:45.200 talk to a tongue of voloa. Um. I feel like 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:49.200 this happens with one quarterback every year. Jimmy Garoppolo was 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.120 the guy a couple of years ago. I remember he 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:54.520 threw like six interceptions in one practice. Uh, this time 0:11:54.520 --> 0:12:01.000 it was to throwing five in a monsoon. This, um, 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:03.680 do we care about two a tongue of viola throwing 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:08.440 five interceptions in June? Patrick? No, No, like, are we 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:11.800 extrapolating his his long term career viability based on a 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:15.040 June practice. People are mannequing. People were just like, I 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:17.600 don't know this. I think people are looking for reasons 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:19.760 not to like to a write right now, or to 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:22.240 like to and like defend that it doesn't mean anything. 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:26.040 People get in their little corners, including me, Whatever confirms 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.920 your prior's right. That's that's how we handle June in 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:32.720 NFL training camp news. Right. Um, I don't particularly think 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:34.400 it matters. Like Brian Flores, I don't think this was 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:36.960 an excuse what he said, like practice is a time 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:40.200 to practice, to see what works and what doesn't work. Um. 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:42.760 And if if you know you're picked off five times, 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:46.000 yeah that congrats. Maybe Xavian Howard and Byron Jones and 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.760 maybe everything's working back there. Maybe we take the positives 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:52.160 from that. Um. But I don't see it as some 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:54.520 sort of strike against Tah that that he's stoleing picks 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.520 against his what what was a good defense last year 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:01.160 in practice? Well, I mean also it happened in like 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:04.920 a driving rain storm there there with like two inches 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:08.640 of rain were dumped on that part of Florida yesterday. 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:10.800 And you know this is coming. Just what the Beat 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.040 reporters said and sort of a chill out, please chill 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:18.480 out everyone that they were like intentionally unfurling like passes 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.040 deep down the field into tight windows to kind of 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:23.440 just you know, show aggression. The other thing I'd say 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:26.120 is George Godse and Eric Studsville, who you know because 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:27.920 their co o c s get a little bit heat 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:29.640 on this show. And I think it is a tv 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:33.080 D scenario. Um, But Myles Gaskin said, it is a 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:35.439 new playbook. It's a totally new playbook. This isn't to 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.840 a you know, gaining more comfort from the playbook from 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:40.280 last year. It's sort of the opposite of that. And 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.080 I think that's flown under the radar just a little bit. Um. 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.280 I have a no problem with these quarterbacks going out 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:47.760 and having like one day like that where a certain 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:51.360 statistical category gets jacked up. I mean, we complain all 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.360 the time about Beat writers giving us too many detailed 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:59.040 stats from a pad list or you know, super basic practice. 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:01.720 Well then we can't you know, be jumping out of 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:08.000 windows when this occurs. Yeah. I used to right uh 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:11.760 these articles during o t A mini camp season and 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:14.880 it was like a huge paragraph on each team, like 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.480 which players were rising and falling. This was especially did 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:19.160 as a road world when I was doing more fantasy, 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:21.440 but I did it here too, and I and I 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:25.080 see it happening quite a bit still, especially in fantasy. 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:27.560 And I don't know if I'm right or I'm just 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.520 like lazy, but I have come to the conclusion there's 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:34.840 there's literally nothing you can draw from on field play 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:38.320 in O t s and mini camps, nothing other than injuries, 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:42.920 like nothing in terms of performance and and evaluation and competition. 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:46.800 And Belichick and Flora's talk about this pretty often that 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.800 this is teaching time, This is teaching and installing, and 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:54.120 competition starts the first day of training camp. That's when competitions. 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:57.520 Coaches will also say that the one like the groups 0:14:57.560 --> 0:14:59.840 you can't even judge at this time of year, or 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:03.760 offensive lines and mostly defensive lines. So it's like we're 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:07.800 talking about a quarterback throwing interceptions when like the reason 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:09.840 he's going to be held up right is hard to 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:13.120 determine in in in early June, So I totally sail 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.880 it down the river. I would just if if you're 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:18.880 going to report the interceptions, right, just give us some 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:21.960 some context, right, for reaching, like like maybe a graph 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:24.440 on each pass, like what was the average depth of target? Well, 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.720 what's the circumstance with regards to the pressure of wind rate. 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.080 I don't know if we're gonna if we're gonna draw 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.280 stuff from it, then you just need to give us 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:37.400 everything it does. It does get to what to a 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.880 struggle in which was you know, deep throws and that 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:42.520 they're gonna have to improve them that And I think 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:44.560 mark your point is really good about that. It's a 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:46.360 new offense. It is a little bit of a concern 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:48.400 like if you're a third year player on the Dolphins, 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:52.320 this is your third offense, or if you're Invante Parker, um, 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:55.000 it's about your seventh offense. And it's and it's your 0:15:55.040 --> 0:16:00.720 third and three years and your I projected four either 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:04.600 rookie or second year starters on the offensive line. So 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:06.840 it's a young team. The Dolphins have this way of 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.680 I think the last under florists looking like a hot 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.120 mess in the off season, and I thought was like 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:15.320 one of the worst rosters in the league going into 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:18.280 each of the last two seasons, and and then they're 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:20.280 way better than the sum of their parts. So I'm 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.800 giving a little bit of credit to the process that 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:26.000 they'll they'll make it look better florists and greer then 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:27.960 it seems to look on paper, but it is a 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:30.280 lot there are there are a tricky team to evaluate 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:34.360 with with again, as Mark pointed out, to two offensive coordinators, right, 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.240 so so maybe two offensive just in this year, right 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.480 because we don't we don't know who's calling. It's some 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:42.320 kind of imagine it's really one of the two that's 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.560 leading the way, but I don't know who that was 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:47.440 if that weren't the case, or like, you just it's 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.520 like the way that their personalities mingle matters. I mean 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:52.520 one if one of them is sort of like likes 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:55.000 to quietly take credit for everything. It's like the guy 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.160 that wants to be in Tua's ear on the sideline 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:00.080 with the other guys probably doing way more. Dudesville who's 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.720 been around for twenty years and his beloved as he's 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.639 usually running backs coach and like is known. You know, 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:08.600 I don't know what happened here, but this is one 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:11.199 of those things that Floris took from Belichick that he 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:14.480 that's like, don't take that from Belichick. Like Flores probably 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:17.360 has it in his mind that he wasn't even defensive coordinator. 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:19.800 When he was the defensive coordinator, I don't think anyone 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:22.359 remembers that. Like when he was calling those plays in 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.280 the Super Bowl, he wasn't He didn't even have the title, 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.560 they didn't have one. Then the Patriots also went co 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:29.720 coordinators at one point, and then they went to no 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:33.160 coordinators in variety of years. So it's a silly thing 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:34.919 to take from Belichick, but I don't think it's that 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.560 huge of a deal. Let's go to Minnesota, where I'm 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:39.560 gonna just tip my hand here. I think this was 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:41.600 probably the biggest story of the week, which which tells 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:44.440 you it wasn't like a massive week. But Danielle Hunter 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:48.440 uh signed a new deal with the Vikings right after 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:50.920 we taped on Monday, and then right on the back 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:54.600 of that, Sheldon Richardson returned to Minnesota where he was 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:58.480 in twenty eighteen, I believe, for one year and played 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:01.680 pretty well there. So the common nation of those two stories, 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:05.200 to me, I think are significant because this this contract 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:08.240 thing happened with Hunter even before he heard was out 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:10.800 for last season, so it had been kind of sitting 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:12.359 there for a while, and so they moved up some 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:15.199 guaranteed money, and more importantly to him, they'll make him 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:17.760 a free agent after this season, or they'll pay him 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:21.000 twenty million dollars in two So either way he'll either 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:24.120 have his freedom or he'll have his money. And between 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:27.119 those two guys, it it helps what to me was 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:30.080 the biggest weakness on the Vikings defense, which was their 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:33.360 defensive line. Um, they might play a little more. Three four, 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:36.760 they get Michael Pierce back from opting out. They signed 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:40.280 Dalvin Tomlinson, they had they added a lot of people 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:44.359 in the secondary, including Bashad Brelan recently that one slipped 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:47.959 under the radar. They've got Patrick Peterson, they got Davier. 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:51.160 I kind of suddenly am thinking the Vikings defense, which 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:53.680 was a hot mess last year and was the biggest 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:55.439 reason why they didn't make the playoffs, it was not 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:58.240 the offense should go back to what they normally were, 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:00.480 which was very good under Mike Simmer got topped. And 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:02.080 even then if they were a topped in defense, and 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:04.359 suddenly you're like, Okay, maybe the Vikings are back in 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:07.280 the playoffs. Do you agree, Cleava? I do, and I 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:09.960 think in the way that it happened, right, the rapidity 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:12.000 in which it's like, oh yeah, this is oh okay, 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:15.320 They've got Richardson Daniel Hunter's back. Um, it shows a 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.720 clarity of purpose. There's no you know, wishy washy will 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.800 will wait and see, like this is what the brass wants, 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:23.960 this is what Zimmer wants, and he's gonna get it. 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:27.720 And so I think, right, um, you can see that 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:30.439 there is this cohesion among the coaching staff in the 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:33.439 front office with regards to one like we you know, 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:37.160 who knows what the future holds, but this is what 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.600 we're doing. And I like that. I can't see a 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:43.480 negative to that. Yeah, I mean, Rick Spielman, the GM 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:46.200 does not turn out a lot of like low level rosters. 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:49.280 If anything, He's been, if if not, like a superstar, 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:52.000