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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast The Big Bad Blogger Boy.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. Today,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be your host, Greg Rosenthal, Dan hands this

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Speaker 1: out uh for the show alongside Mark Sessler and Patrick claibn.

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Speaker 1: It's been a long time since I did this little introduction.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm not really totally sure I remember the words.

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Speaker 1: That last part is the most important part. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: you questioning yourself, but you nailed it as always. Greg. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, Greg, I think there was one show that

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Speaker 1: you were hosting where you called me Matt, So I

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Speaker 1: think you're off to already a better start than than

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Speaker 1: that episode was. Yeah, it's gonna be a loose show.

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Speaker 1: Dan Wren's a tight ship. He's you know, he's the

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Speaker 1: host with the most and m We're just gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about stories from this week. It's you know, we're we're

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Speaker 1: all getting ready for a little summer break a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Shows are going to be a little less often after this.

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Speaker 1: The NFL teams are about to go on summer vacation. Um.

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Speaker 1: It's got that last day of school type feel vibe

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Speaker 1: this week, except for for Claibon, who's wearing a tie

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Speaker 1: right now, and I think is working very hard throughout

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Speaker 1: the summer. So I'm sorry for the previous thirty seconds.

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Speaker 1: It's okay. I recognized that, you know, I am not

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Speaker 1: the protagonist of reality and other people's circumstances are different

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Speaker 1: than mine, and I appreciate it. I'm glad you guys

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Speaker 1: get a little bit of a break. Like. I'm not

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Speaker 1: vindictive about it, you know. Well, I mean there would

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Speaker 1: have been we were in personally, we were heading close

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Speaker 1: towards like rebellion territory if we didn't get like a

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Speaker 1: little bit of time here. So although we have two

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Speaker 1: shows coming up next week to set out the schedule early,

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Speaker 1: we're back next Tuesday and Thursday, I believe, so we'll

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Speaker 1: have a little bit of a break, a sixth day break.

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Speaker 1: We still got two shows this week, two shows next week,

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Speaker 1: and then I think we go once a week and

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Speaker 1: we go dark, uh for a little while. And um,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's stuck in my head. When we were

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Speaker 1: in person, Sessler, Dan said like the juice cleans Cessler

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Speaker 1: is not not his favorite Sessler, but at least you

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Speaker 1: know which I think it was a little harsh, but

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Speaker 1: it at least like on on screen the juice cleans.

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Speaker 1: Cessler might be my favorite Sessler. Sessler looks primed, he

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Speaker 1: looks jacked, he is the color is good, the shirt sunbottoned.

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Speaker 1: You know you look prime Cessler right now. So it

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Speaker 1: might be my favorite Sessler. I like we're going with this.

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Speaker 1: I will say that, Um, there's been a huge shift

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Speaker 1: in this house. I don't know if it's the same

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Speaker 1: in your houses, but you know, the l A weather,

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Speaker 1: l A regional weather has some hyped up a bit,

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Speaker 1: and it's boring to talk about whether, but I will

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Speaker 1: just say that one of the reasons I think I

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Speaker 1: have a bit of a rosier glow is that it's

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Speaker 1: like I'm sweating. It's hotter than a like a cannon

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Speaker 1: ball shot into my face right now. So yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: great weather or historic drought that's gonna cause wildfire and

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Speaker 1: untold damage to our state. You who can say? But

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Speaker 1: it is it is nice. Much much as Robbie Anderson's

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Speaker 1: at about Sam Donald this week that there's an aura

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Speaker 1: a glow. I see it on Mark. I see the

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Speaker 1: energy ready to explode from him. Uh in a positive way,

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Speaker 1: not like Mark's gonna you know, sabotage a shipping lane.

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Speaker 1: I see it as is a good thing, like Mark's

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Speaker 1: gonna hug some people and it's good. So this is

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Speaker 1: more legit potentially than the Donald glow comments which I found.

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Speaker 1: You know, variable Barn's gotta like it too. I think

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Speaker 1: someone's gotta like this good looking sesslor not that he

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Speaker 1: is an high apathy. I would categorize it as high apathy. Uh, Clay,

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Speaker 1: that's a perfect transition. Because today's show again, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about some stories this week. They would normally be

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Speaker 1: the news items, but instead we're just gonna make that

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Speaker 1: the segment. We're gonna throw out some things that happened

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Speaker 1: this week. Uh, and we're gonna just declare as a group.

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Speaker 1: I guess, um whether we care or not, do we

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Speaker 1: care or not? Does it matter or not? And uh,

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Speaker 1: we'll move on and why not? Like that's a fine

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Speaker 1: place to start. Wasn't planning on talking it. But do

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Speaker 1: you think Sam Donald's rosy glo? Oh do we care

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Speaker 1: about that? Patrick Clavon, You know that Robby Anderson says

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Speaker 1: about it because I think it's funny because it goes

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Speaker 1: and the way that we turn it into like a

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Speaker 1: cartoon is to say, like, oh, this person is summoning

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Speaker 1: the strength of the door, right, he's gonna wield the hammer. Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad Sam is happy. I'm glad the vibes are good. Now. Um,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that makes him a better football player,

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Speaker 1: matters is is he a better football player? Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: mean it's like Robbie Anderson and Sam Donald, they've seen

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Speaker 1: some things, having been part of that Jets wreckage. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I do think there's probably something to the fact that

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Speaker 1: they're simply happier. Um. I gave Robbie Anderson a little

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Speaker 1: bit of credit for, you know, we're killing these players

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Speaker 1: understandably for the endless tropes. This was a little bit.

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Speaker 1: This wasn't a Weather Warren trope the same way that

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Speaker 1: you normally hear about quarterbacks. I mean, we're talking auras,

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Speaker 1: did not know the Panthers mascots. So I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: how dep dug to create this narrative, but I I'd

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Speaker 1: enjoyed it to some degree. Yeah, I like it. I

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Speaker 1: mean when you yeah, when you can go from gaze

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Speaker 1: are gonna kinna help Sam Donald out. Not sure about

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Speaker 1: that offensive line in Carolina. PFF did like an offensive

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Speaker 1: line rankings going into the season. Steve Palazalo, I never

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Speaker 1: know how to say his last day, and he they

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Speaker 1: not great. I wasn't planning on doing Donald, but that

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Speaker 1: seems like a fun place to start. We are going

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Speaker 1: to give some book recommendations. By the way, at the

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Speaker 1: end of the show, you know, Mark Mark suggested that

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Speaker 1: I like that it's summer reading time, and so that's

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Speaker 1: how we're going to close the show. But let's go

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Speaker 1: to a bigger item of news this week, which is

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Speaker 1: all these mandatory mini camp holdouts, which is the only

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Speaker 1: camp because they are required to be there and they

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Speaker 1: can be fined if they are not there, and Xavian Howard,

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins corner back, was a surprise absence this week. Uh,

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Speaker 1: he wants a new contract. That's what Brian Flores, the

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Speaker 1: unique situation when it came to Howard. Do we care

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Speaker 1: about this one? Mark? I mean, I think it's something

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Speaker 1: cantankerous based on what Flora said, and he was kind

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Speaker 1: massive extension, and now wants more money. It kind of

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Speaker 1: reminds me of when we talked about Stephon Gilmore on

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Speaker 1: UM Monday was that I I don't know what did Monday

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Speaker 1: like that. You know, when he signed his deal, the

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Speaker 1: UM that's you know, and so we monitor it and

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Speaker 1: I leave it there. I think I think it matters

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Speaker 1: in the sense of what Xavian Howard's golds are long term,

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Speaker 1: because I think if if the discrepancy is between the

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Speaker 1: of view the desire for a long term trying to

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Speaker 1: kind of answer to what his career is going to

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Speaker 1: be like, because it'd be around a three million dollar

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if they're a concern for Miami right

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Speaker 1: as much as they should concern anybody right when somebody's

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Speaker 1: accused of domestic battery. But I think the Dolphins might

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Speaker 1: I think it doesn't matter then next year though, right,

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Speaker 1: But they never would because he's a defensive Player of

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Speaker 1: the Year candidate last year, who who is you know,

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Speaker 1: relatively affordable for a cornerback. He signed like a five year,

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Speaker 1: seventy five million dollar country at a time when I

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Speaker 1: think they were probably differing opinions on Davian Howard, like

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Speaker 1: That's them believing in their young player and and on

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Speaker 1: the field last year he backed it up with a

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Speaker 1: first team all proceeds. I think it's really unique. It

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Speaker 1: matters in the sense of like, any how much can

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Speaker 1: um because I think it's tricky. I I don't see

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Speaker 1: how you gives Amen Howard more money, not just because

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Speaker 1: it's a precedent with so many years left on his contract,

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Speaker 1: three or four more years. Since he signed the contract,

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Speaker 1: he had that domestic violence arrest. I mean, he he

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Speaker 1: was in jail, Like that's significant. How can that not

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Speaker 1: I've seen a handful of analyzes on this situation that

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Speaker 1: don't even mention that, like, of course that should factor

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Speaker 1: into whether you should sign a guy to a long

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Speaker 1: term contract. And then in the two years since the

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Speaker 1: other year he missed eleven games or seven games, nine games,

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Speaker 1: whatever was, he missed more than half the season with

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Speaker 1: a knee injury. In so since he signed that contract,

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Speaker 1: and you had this off field issue. But I think

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Speaker 1: the main thing is we see this again and again,

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Speaker 1: and we're seeing it with Chandler Jones in Arizona. Guys

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Speaker 1: hate it when you signed a new player at your

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Speaker 1: position to more money, and so he's just pissed that

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Speaker 1: and he's making more money. We see this at our

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Speaker 1: workplace sometimes. Absolutely, I'm not gonna name names. It's it's

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Speaker 1: few years younger where it's like, hey, you just signed

426
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Speaker 1: a guy who can play seven hundred snaps for you

427
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,440
Speaker 1: basically know exactly what you're getting, which is solid production.

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Speaker 1: Like you know, he's not gonna be a superstar. But

429
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Speaker 1: you just plug them in and they needed that. And uh,

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Speaker 1: I was looking at this roster they've I we talked

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Speaker 1: about the Vikings. I did the Mina Kimes podcast with

432
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Speaker 1: Lenny this week. People should check out. They drafted eleven

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Speaker 1: players this year, including eight in the first four rounds.

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Speaker 1: Half of those guys were on defense. I don't know

435
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Speaker 1: these defensive guys. They were third and fourth rounders. But

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Speaker 1: it's like, I'm not gonna pretend I have some hot take,

437
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Speaker 1: but it's like if you hit on a few of

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Speaker 1: these and a few of the ones on offense, and

439
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 1: they signed guys in numbers. Uh, in the secondary where

440
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Speaker 1: they just have like six cornerbacks who have played or

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Speaker 1: can play. Cam Dancer was a rookie for them. That

442
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Speaker 1: was pretty good. I don't know. I I think they

443
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Speaker 1: could be dangerous, especially in a division that Aaron Rodgers

444
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Speaker 1: might not be involved. And let's let's stay in that

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00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: division and talk um Bears this week. Matt Naggie seems

446
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Speaker 1: to doing the rounds this year. Seems to be in

447
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 1: a really good mood, so that's good. I'm happy for him.

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Speaker 1: You know, he sometimes he seems to really go up

449
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Speaker 1: and down with his mood, but it seems like a

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Speaker 1: happy I'm just saying, as coaches go, he seems either

451
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Speaker 1: to kind of really hate the media experience or seems

452
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Speaker 1: like a totally cool guy. He's in totally cool guy mode.

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Speaker 1: And he was talking with Chris Collinsworth this week on

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Speaker 1: Collinsworth Podcast. Let's listen to that. But I do have

455
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Speaker 1: to ask this one question. Is there a possible scenario

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Speaker 1: where Justin Fields plays on opening Night? No? I mean

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Speaker 1: Andy is our starter, and again I can't predict anything.

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Speaker 1: You know that that's you know how it goes. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's so many things that could happen between today and

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Speaker 1: that week one, but that's Andy is our starter and

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Speaker 1: and Justin's our number two, and we're gonna put We're

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Speaker 1: gonna stick to this plan. It doesn't matter. Mark Cesler,

463
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Speaker 1: you made the best facial espression of the three of us.

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Speaker 1: Do you get there? Well, I mean, I guess the

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Speaker 1: one thing if you're matten Egg, maybe you're going back

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Speaker 1: to the blueprint the Chiefs used with Patrick Mahomes, where

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Speaker 1: you know, if you take a look at Chicago's early schedule,

468
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: maybe he's just sort of saying I don't want to

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Speaker 1: put all this on a rookie because they have the Rams.

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Speaker 1: Then okay, the Bengals fine, but the Browns, Ravens, Raiders, Packers, Bucks, Niners,

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Speaker 1: and Steelers before the buy. That's essentially going through a

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Speaker 1: playoff field in the NFC and a f c um

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Speaker 1: that said Mattegi was hired to do one thing to

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Speaker 1: manage the quarterback position, to manage how you move from

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Speaker 1: player A to b um, from a you know, a

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Speaker 1: group of nobody's to a Justin Fields who he's going up.

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Speaker 1: He's gone out of his way to compliment in high order.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he seems to love Justin Fields. So I

479
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Speaker 1: don't know if this is more of a protection thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't like it at all. Um, would you treat

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Speaker 1: that said he you're going to treat your offensive line?

482
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Speaker 1: A rookie blows up in August and absolutely dominates, so

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Speaker 1: we're not ready for for him to be out on

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Speaker 1: the field. It's just sort of like an it's the

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Speaker 1: quarterback position, and I think, actually it's the wrong way

486
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Speaker 1: to deal with quarterbacks. Ue, but I am sitting here.

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Speaker 1: It's his prerogative. But but he's leaning into it hard. Um.

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Speaker 1: When it felt like it was going to be the

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Speaker 1: first non frustrating Bears off season in a while. UM,

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Speaker 1: I find it to be. It's just pressing a little

491
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Speaker 1: too hard. Why do you have to say any of

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Speaker 1: this because of the circumstances, right? Um? If if he's

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid and he has the job security of an

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid, uh, and Andy Dalton becomes Alex Smith, right

495
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Speaker 1: that the twenty whatever version of Alex Smith, then yeah,

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Speaker 1: you have the luxury of of going with the starter. Um.

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Speaker 1: But the best way, the most important job for a

498
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Speaker 1: lot of coaches and gms is to keep their job.

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Speaker 1: And in the best way for Matt Neeggie to keep

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Speaker 1: his job and maintain his importance is to start Andy

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Speaker 1: Dalton untild that circumstance becomes untenable and then start justin fields.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think it matters because, um, we could

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Speaker 1: say that with any particular rookie quarterback, in any starting scenario, UH,

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00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 1: the coach many times is going to do what's necessary

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Speaker 1: to keep his job, especially if he's not coming in

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Speaker 1: with a rookie quarterback. UH. If you are a holdover

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Speaker 1: from a quarterback who didn't succeed UH in your system

508
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Speaker 1: and a new quarterback comes in by virtue of the

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Speaker 1: Denver Broncos choosing not to draft that quarterback. Then you

510
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Speaker 1: you have this opportunity to protect yourself. And so I

511
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Speaker 1: see it as whenever the circumstances changed, that's when we're

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Speaker 1: gonna get justin Fields. Regardless of how Matt Neggie responds

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Speaker 1: to the dulcet tones of Chris Collinsworth, who sounds like

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Speaker 1: a pitch shifted Jack Collinsworth to me, I'm looking a different,

515
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Speaker 1: uh voice on his podcast. You're saying it's it's more sultry,

516
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: it's a little sexier, which I don't think we can

517
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Speaker 1: all appreciate. He Hey, Matt, now that matters, That take matters.

518
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Speaker 1: He he wants I've probably told this story before. We've

519
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 1: done this podcast so long, but he wants pre taped

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Speaker 1: a weekly question for this this digital fantasy show I

521
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Speaker 1: hosted in around two thousand seven called The Fantasy Fix.

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Speaker 1: And you know, but he did it all in one

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Speaker 1: one take, like in September, and we just taped the

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Speaker 1: question for the whole year. But it would really crack

525
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: us up because we would just watch this tape and

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Speaker 1: it would be him for three minutes going, hey, Tiffany

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Speaker 1: and Greg like, who do you think's better this I

528
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Speaker 1: can't Wow, it's really falling apart my who do you

529
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: think's better this week? Uh? Frank or or Tatum Bell?

530
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Speaker 1: And then then it would just like get him going

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Speaker 1: into the next one for three minutes straight. I really,

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Speaker 1: that's my favorite cons Worth memory. That's you guys gave

533
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Speaker 1: such great answers. Mine is short. No not. I think

534
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Speaker 1: this is all nonsense. And the only reason it it

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Speaker 1: um caught fire as much as it did on Twitter

536
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Speaker 1: was and I don't want to call the person out.

537
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Speaker 1: I don't know who remember who it is. They paraphrased

538
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Speaker 1: it wrong. I was in the aggregating game a long

539
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Speaker 1: time and they they aggregated it in paraphrase that as

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Speaker 1: Naggy said, there is no scenario where Dalton could be

541
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Speaker 1: the backup week one, which Collinsworth, by the way, is

542
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: has self interest. He's calling that game. He's like, please

543
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: give us justin fields, and we all do because we

544
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: all want to watch that game with and yes, he

545
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: started the answer by saying the word no to like

546
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Speaker 1: a yes or no question, but then he went into

547
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Speaker 1: a whole spiel about well, you know how it is,

548
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: I can't predict anything, things change, UH in the meantime,

549
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: Chris and I can't say what what they would be,

550
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: but you know, here's the plan. One of the things

551
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: that can change is Justin Fields is awesome in August

552
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: and Andy Dalton is not. And that's it's like why

553
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: these coaches have to answer these questions. But I really,

554
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: I truly think it means less than nothing. Of course,

555
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 1: it's the plan. It's the game that you have to

556
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Speaker 1: play publicly. I also think it's funny that in some

557
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 1: other UH interviews that he's had, he also makes it

558
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: very clear that Nick Foles is the number three and

559
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: as no chance to move up to number two. It's

560
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 1: it that's kind of funny to me too, like if

561
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Speaker 1: like he's doing this to like protect Dalton's ego and

562
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 1: what they promised Dalton. But he has no problem saying like, sorry,

563
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: falls man, I know you were a Super Bowl MVP,

564
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Speaker 1: You've been in the league twelve years. There's actually absolutely

565
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Speaker 1: zero chance that you could even move up to number two.

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Speaker 1: That's I don't even know what he's doing on the

567
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: I think that's just like, you know, keep them safe

568
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: inside like a carton or a crate until we trade

569
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Speaker 1: him somewhere for like a late pick for a team

570
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: that gets, you know, a ravaged by quarterback injuries. I

571
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 1: like to hear that at least he's flexible naked. I mean,

572
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: if this changes, then change with it. Because you mentioned,

573
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: you know, career security, Clayband. But I mean if fields,

574
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: like we're blowing people away visually and played really well

575
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,959
Speaker 1: out of the gate, that's job security right there. I mean,

576
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: you guys made the right choice for a change, and

577
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: you're coaching them up. Um. I just find it to

578
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: me a little bit like, I know, so we tweeted

579
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Speaker 1: out QB once we've got a stick with that now,

580
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's was on a social media operative.

581
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: Like it's just let's be flexible and really here please. Yeah,

582
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: I uh, I don't know about I don't know about

583
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: the Bears. And you're right to Clayburn, like the Broncos

584
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: not taking fields and it's funny because they were there.

585
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: They were far from the only team that could have

586
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: maybe used the quarterback to pass on them. You know,

587
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: the Panthers, Panthers, you know, the Dolphins, you know technically

588
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: could have you know whatever, There could have been other

589
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: teams that have done it. But the Broncos are the

590
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: one team because I think they have a a Super

591
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: Bowl ready roster if they had like a great quarterback

592
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Speaker 1: where you are going to be thinking like Wow, the

593
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: hype would be out of control if they had Justin

594
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Speaker 1: Fields right now on that roster, but they don't. And yeah,

595
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: it's it's what I'm always gonna come back to because

596
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Speaker 1: as much as we launched Chicago for for taking Justin Fields,

597
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: my thing is, if you think that he's gonna start

598
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Speaker 1: for you right for the next ten to twelve years, uh,

599
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: why wait till eleven? Yeah, I think it might be like,

600
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: let's see how that Rams defense is looking week one.

601
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: If it looks like it did a year ago, maybe

602
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: Dalton can be the sacrificial lamb and we go week

603
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: to Justin Fields. He's got to look good in camp.

604
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: To let's go to one guy who has been with

605
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: the same in the same uniform, Raiders uniform his whole career.

606
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: You know, they changed it up when they moved to

607
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: Vegas a bit. Uh, and he says, uh, he doesn't

608
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: ever want to play in a different uniform. Derek Carr

609
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: went as far to say as uh, he thinks he

610
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: would retire before he would play in a different uniform.

611
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: That's loyalty. Do we do we care about this? I care.

612
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: Derek Carr is threatening to retire in the event that

613
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Speaker 1: the Las Vegas Raiders trade him. That's what I'm hearing.

614
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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, you can. You guys can float these constant

615
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: trade discussions every single year, or I can just say

616
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: right now, if you trade me, I quit. I will

617
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: not play for any other team. I'm tired of this

618
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: constant discussion. I see it as mattering because I think

619
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Speaker 1: he might do it like I think, I think he

620
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: would shut it down, perhaps just out of sheer spite

621
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: for this constant conversation that he's been a part of.

622
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't know if Derek Carr internally is

623
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: the guy that's saying and telling people closest to him,

624
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: I want to play till I'm forty, which you've heard

625
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: from like eight other quarterbacks at this point. Is he

626
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: that guy? I mean it's a bit of a severe

627
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: kind of like, um, you know these things don't work

628
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: in relationships. Ultimatum. So if you're telling the Raiders like

629
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: I'm your starter and if you feel displeased with my play, um,

630
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna retire. It's like, okay, but I don't

631
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: think he'd ever actually do that, because you're leaving a

632
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of potential money on the table unless you

633
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: kind of are done with football at some point or

634
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: this to me felt like a quarterback who's always playing

635
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: from behind um with the fan base, a big chunk

636
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 1: of the fan base with the media, Like I've been

637
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: hard on Derek Carr, but like, honestly, he played pretty

638
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: well last year in some tough situations. He's not always

639
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, had the easiest environment. He he does what

640
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: even if he if he performs beyond X actations, he's

641
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: always sort of this person who's viewed is not good

642
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: enough for John Gruden, not quite what the Raiders want

643
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: because they're going after Tom Brady. You know, you're thinking

644
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: they might go after someone like maybe they'd go after

645
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. They try a trade for someone else, there's

646
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: always another quarterback um lingering in the imaginative distance. And

647
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: Derek Carr never seems to make anyone happy enough. And

648
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: he he said as part of these comments that people

649
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: don't know how close he is with John Gruden off

650
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: the field, which I thought I thought was interesting and

651
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: maybe that relationship has gotten better and better. Um, he said,

652
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: I'm a Raider for my entire life. I'm gonna root

653
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: for one team for the rest of my life. It's

654
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: the Raiders. I feel so strong in my I don't

655
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: need a perfect situation to make things right. I'd rather

656
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: go down with the ship. It does feel like one

657
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: of those things that happens um in sports. I guess

658
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: probably more than most industries, but maybe others that like,

659
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: you are loyal to your employer until you realize how

660
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: uh disloyal they are to you. Because I just the

661
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: Raiders aren't going to be loyal to Derek Carr the

662
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: second that his performance drops, So he I don't. I

663
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: don't put too much stock into the retirement there, because

664
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: Derek Carr can make a great living and play football

665
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: for another decade, whether it's starting back up, whatever it's

666
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: going to be in the long run. Um it is uh.

667
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: It is fascinating though that they've had like this, this

668
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: run together. He does seem like one of those guys though,

669
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: Um that like was really mad at Kevin Durant for

670
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: leaving the Thunder You know, that's like very loyal, lloyal

671
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: wants his players to be loyal to their teams even

672
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: though they're not necessarily loyal to him. So he's not

673
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: going to be like doing the Russell Wilson um, let's

674
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: leak to the media things if he if he has

675
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: a great season and like wants to get a bigger contract.

676
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: His contracts coming up fairly soon, by the way, Derek Carr.

677
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: But as Mark said, he doesn't have the public capital

678
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: to do that because people are always getting at him

679
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: just for being Derek Carr. Like, he's been pretty good.

680
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: But so I I at least including me, I'll say myself,

681
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: I've never I never was totally a believer, and I

682
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: think he's improved every year with Gruden. Uh and he

683
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: is an asset now for sure. I think he's a

684
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 1: top top twelve. Of course I think he is too.

685
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: But I mean, we're in a league where unless you

686
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: have one of those top five guys, it's totally fair

687
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: game to be looking around, to be thinking about we

688
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: could draft someone, and he's just always someone you never

689
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: how often do we think, like, hey, they have Derek Car,

690
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: they're good for the next four or five years. No

691
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: one thinks that he'll be supplanted. He'll be replaced by

692
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: someone soon, right, Jimmy g got replaced. Maybe wouldn't have

693
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: if he had stayed healthy, but he's kind of a

694
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: similar tier. Well, we'll see whoever the next quarterback is.

695
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 1: Right when it's when it's Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady

696
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: like okay, Like, yeah, I can't be too mad about that.

697
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, Yeah, I also can't be too But once

698
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: you get into like maybe below that tier, um, then

699
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: then you start to get your feelings hurt. I do

700
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: want to point out, though, if Derek Carr was a

701
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 1: free agent, I heard this discussion somewhere else. I forget

702
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: like trying to guess what he would make, and you

703
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: know it was it was somewhere in between that like

704
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: unbelievable backup and like quality starter level, which is like

705
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: twenty four is the bottom of that, and and I thought,

706
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: that's crazy. I think Derek Carr would make over thirty

707
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: million dollars a year because exactly her Cousins is the

708
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: is the perfect example. Kirk Cousins, when he actually was

709
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: a free agent and any team could sign him, got

710
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: got thirty million because there was a competitive services for

711
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: him and I think Derek Carr would be as attractive

712
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: or more um as Cousins was as a free agent.

713
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: So you know, you don't have to retire Derek. You

714
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: can you can keep playing. Let's uh, let's finish with

715
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: one more sort of holdout. Jamal Adams was excused from

716
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: mandatory minicamp um, so it's not a holdout. But Pete

717
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: Carroll did allude to the contract negotiation taking place between

718
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: the two sides as being a factor and why he's

719
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: not there, and he said, um that they've been making

720
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: that they've been doing good work on Jamal Adams contract

721
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: and that he thinks they're going to get there. I

722
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: think this does matter because Carol saying that publicly was

723
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: more important than Adams not being there. It basically said

724
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: that it's it's a matter of time. This thing is

725
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: going to be signed before training camp starts, and Jamal

726
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: Adams will very likely be the highest paid safety in

727
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: the league, topping Justin Simmons Denver Mark. What do you think?

728
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: I mean? I feel like it was all predestined when

729
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: they gave up multiple first forum and kind of said

730
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: he's the cherry on top of our our Super Bowl roster.

731
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: That's how we see ourselves. I mean I love that

732
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: they're aggressive. You know why when that deal initially happened,

733
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: I killed the Jets for one thing, not being able

734
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: to hold on two star players. But looking and what

735
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: they've done since, Um, where I was incorrect or where

736
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: I should have been a little bit different in my

737
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 1: view of that was that he wasn't going to stick

738
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 1: around with the Jets. They got a ton of value

739
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: for him, and they found a buyer who bought at

740
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: a high high value. I mean, it's like incredible what

741
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: they what they now have to deal with because they

742
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: have no choice but to pay Jamal Adams a huge

743
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: amount of money. So why haven't Mini camp what he

744
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: is some sort of a non contact injury that takes

745
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: him out of the of the of the deal for

746
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: six months. Just keep them in ice and bring him

747
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: back because you're forced to pay him now. I don't

748
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: like that for Seattle a whole lot. I like the player. Um,

749
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: there's a lot of drama that comes with him, but

750
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: I just feel like they have zero leverage. They have

751
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: no the the the opposite of leverage. Yeah, I also

752
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 1: see it as not mattering. Um, I think Jamal Adams

753
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: would play with an amputated foot. Um, I think him

754
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: missing a few days of mini camp is it going

755
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: to be a long term problem? And like Mark said, Mike,

756
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: you've said correct, Um, when you make the trade, you've

757
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: already made the investment. Uh, It's just it's just a

758
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: matter of time before you get pinned to paper. And

759
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: so I just see this as um dotting dotting of

760
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: eyes and crossing a tease. And it's not really gonna

761
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: hurt Jamal Adams and his ability to play football. He's

762
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: not going to forget right they they can find him,

763
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: and they're not going to because he's excused. And then

764
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 1: the fines in training camp really get aggressive. So skipping

765
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: this week is is one of the only levers players

766
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: have left to pull, like a Stefan Gilmore or Howard

767
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: or Adams. Uh, it gets harder to do when it

768
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: comes to training camp. Dwayne Brown, by the way, they're

769
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: left tackle, also said he wants a new contract um

770
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: and he has one year left on his deal. He

771
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: was at mini camps, so this really UM isn't a

772
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,919
Speaker 1: huge deal. But I wouldn't be surprised if they give

773
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: him an extra year or two on his contract because

774
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: he's still playing at a really high level, kind of

775
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: on the Andrew Whitworth plan. Okay, that was fun. You know,

776
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: I think we settled it. We settled what matters. What doesn't.

777
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: Clayburne's got like a news hit coming up in about

778
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: ten minutes. Do you need to go Patrick, We're good,

779
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: We're good. Okay, So we're gonna wrap up this this

780
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: summary show, um with some book recommendations. You know, I

781
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: threw one out out of the blue apparently last week,

782
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: not understanding what this some our last segment was going

783
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: to be in our Pride episode. But Mark thought that's

784
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: would be this would be a fun way. It's summertime.

785
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: Maybe you have a little more time. You're going to

786
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: the beach, that's a thing, and we're gonna throw out

787
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,479
Speaker 1: some some books. We like to wrap up the show

788
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 1: and go on for a long weekend. At least for us.

789
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: Clay Brown is gonna be grinding what you want to start? Mark,

790
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: since this was here, either I can I can throw

791
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: one out there. I sell it buying books, um, when

792
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 1: it comes to reading them at this stage in life,

793
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: that's not been enough and so successful there, but I

794
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: got this book, um room to dream put in front

795
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: of the camera. There it is uh, David Lynch, the

796
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: director and artist David Lynch. It's like an autobiography. But

797
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: why I think it's amazing and I'm only about forty

798
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,959
Speaker 1: pages into it, is that he co wrote it with

799
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: this um writer, Christine mc kenna, and she goes and writes, like,

800
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: let's say there's twenty there's twenty chapters that go through

801
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 1: his life. She did a ton of research, interviewed hundreds

802
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 1: of people. She'll write the chapter about David Lynch from

803
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: age born to age seven, and then Lynch in the

804
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: next chapter comes back and basically read not rewrites it,

805
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: but he writes his version of it, um because invariably

806
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: it's gonna be different than your research and who you

807
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: talked to. It was just his p o V. So

808
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: the whole book is going through his whole career that way. Um,

809
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: he's number one an awesome writer. She is too, but

810
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: his the way he thinks, in the way he remembers

811
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: um stuff Like then you go watch his films and

812
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: it's like, this is one of the more unusual individuals

813
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: out there and people don't know he did like Twin

814
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: Peaks he did, Uh you know a bunch of stuff.

815
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's also on Mulholland Drive, like memorable

816
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: movie going experiences of my life is driving like spooky

817
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 1: l A streets and uh like where I saw some

818
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: of the scenes, like the Pink's Hot Dog stand was

819
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: right near the movie theater. I saw that and I

820
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: was just like, oh my gosh. Yeah. So you know,

821
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: I like to recommend a book that I've only also

822
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: read thirty something pages of which you know had happened

823
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: from here on out. But there you go. So you're

824
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: just throwing out one. Oh I came up with two

825
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: big of a list here. Oh, I just didn't want

826
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: to know. That's good Clayton for later. But okay, clay Um,

827
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: I don't have a substantial list. I probably could crank

828
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: out a couple, um, but the uh, I've been really

829
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: big into historical materialism. Uh. This this past a few months, UM,

830
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: starting with W E. B. Two Boys is Black Reconstruction

831
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: in America, which takes a materialists look back at the

832
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: circumstances leading up to the Civil War and and throughout

833
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: the reconstruction era before it was it was violently put

834
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: down uh and set us on the path that we

835
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: are today. So that that was a that was a

836
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 1: good book for me, got into it with a reading

837
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 1: group and it spawned other readings. Uh. So that led

838
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: to a productive summer of learning, right, which is uh

839
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: not summer, I guess spring. I don't know what days

840
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: are anymore, and it's all kind of the same. And

841
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: audio books are crucial for me, right because between the

842
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: kids and everything, you can't you can't have your attention

843
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: divided too much before, especially the larger one tries to

844
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: destroy some object or himself or his little sister. So yeah,

845
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: the audiobook of Black Reconstruction was good. H. Then there's

846
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: Black Jacobins. I guess there's a theme right, which chronicles

847
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: the Haitian Revolution, uh by C. L. R. James. It

848
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: was a great book as well if you're into write

849
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: a view of history and circumstances and you want to

850
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: have a better understanding past like these people were mad

851
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: at that at those people, right, and you want to

852
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: get into the economic circumstances. Uh. Those are two really

853
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: good books for me. Number First of all, Um Claibon

854
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: had a the briefest stop at Dad's summit of anyone,

855
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 1: and uh, I only bring this up because I feel

856
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: I feel I don't know if it was your pain,

857
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: but I empathize with your situation, Clayland, because I have

858
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 1: been there. You came to the party, you were aggressive

859
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: in hoping to um take care of a how old

860
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: your daughter want? Yeah? Okay, so she's one and Malcolm

861
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: is four, but he's he's such a substantial four, but

862
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: he is, he's a lot. And you yeah, and you realized,

863
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: I don't know how long it was, but it wasn't

864
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: long that Nope, not worth it. It might have been

865
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: a half hour. It was I I did. I've done

866
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: the exact same thing multiple multiple times. You got to

867
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: pull the ripcord sometimes and that those I wouldn't even have,

868
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 1: not not not a cent Like you, You're aggressive, even

869
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: trying the baby part of it, like combining I I

870
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: would sometimes I leave with one minor older. Now and

871
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: it is it does get easier, so that it does

872
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: get easier that I think it doesn't get easy, but

873
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: it gets easier. I think in situations like that, Uh,

874
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: I should read more nonfiction. I don't know. I I

875
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: don't read enough nonfiction. I like reading is really it

876
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: was gonna critique you in the same way. Greg, I

877
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: don't think you've been reading enough nonfiction and let's get

878
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: your act together, please. I almost only read fiction. It's like,

879
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: I didn't really come to reading this aggressively until I

880
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: was about thirty two, so it's never too late. But

881
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: I really found it is the most relaxing, um thing

882
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: I can do. Like it's the best thing I have

883
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: for mental health. I have never had a religion, but

884
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: I think it's the closest thing I have to a religion,

885
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: where like it just chills me out, it gets and

886
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: I think it's because it takes you out of your

887
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: own head. That at least for me, and it's nice

888
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: to get. You know, the same thing with a great movie,

889
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 1: but it takes you out of your own head. Goes

890
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: into someone else who said, because we're football though, I'm

891
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: gonna throw out a couple of football books. Um, it's

892
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: been a while since I read these, but I just thought, uh,

893
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: and I've probably done it before on this show, but

894
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: I don't care. Bringing the Heat by Mark Bowden is

895
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: maybe my favorite season in the life book ever. The

896
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: same guy wrote this book Black Hawk Down, which became

897
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: a big movie, but before that, he wrote a season

898
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: in life about the Randall Cunningham Jerome Brown Eagles, and

899
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: it's so awesome. I've read it more than once. It

900
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: really holds up and he really goes in and the

901
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: characters on the Eagles team are awesome. Similarly, uh, there's

902
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: this book A Few Seconds of Panic by Stephan Fatzis

903
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: where he was in the Broncos training camp in two

904
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: thousand six, kind of doing this George Plimpton paper lion

905
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: thing where he got to practice with the kickers all

906
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 1: the time and eventually got to like, you know, kick

907
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: during some inter squad scrimmage or something at practice. But

908
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: it's there's so few books that have like a real

909
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: inside look at what a team is like now. And

910
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: this is Jake Cutler's rookie year, so it's Jake Cutler

911
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: versus Jake Plumber. There's Mike Shanahan being very Mike shanahany

912
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: and like sort of dominating an entire organization. There's Brandon

913
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: Marshall as a rookie. Javon Walker's there, and and it's

914
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: a lot of time with the kickers and punters too,

915
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: which is a fun world. And that is a really

916
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: fun read. And then to go really old school and

917
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: see like what the NFL was like the last season

918
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: of We View Bank by Paul Zimmerman. Who have who

919
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: have brought up before Paul Zimmerman, But this is uh

920
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: one of Joe Namath injured seasons in New York and

921
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: he's you know, on the plane with them the whole time.

922
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: And it's a great look at what the NFL was

923
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: like back then and really well written. So there's some

924
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: three football books for you. So there's some nonfiction. I

925
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, and I do read. I do read

926
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 1: fiction as well. I got the Zombie Survival Guide in Okay,

927
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: I didn't know is that nonfiction? What is that? I

928
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: guess what is it? It's a go to prepare for

929
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: for the eventual rise of living dead? Right, Okay, you

930
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: did it? Bring up things you wouldn't have thought up

931
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: you honestly, it was helpful for the pandemic, like food

932
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: prep and storage wise. Uh, not as much, right, fending

933
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: off people. But we did see that line of people

934
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: at the gun store right right across the street from

935
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: the network. Uh maybe they were taking it to heat,

936
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: but not me. You had another one, Mark. So the

937
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: other one that I've been reading is this actor Klaus Kinsky.

938
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: Why am I so bad at putting the book in

939
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: the camera? Um? He it's called Kinsky uncut. He is

940
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: an actor that died, you know, some decades ago, one

941
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: of the craziest human beings UM around Warner Herzog, the

942
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: director did. They did a documentary together based on the

943
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: many films together called not My Best Friend but My

944
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: Best Fiend because there were multiple times when Klaus Kinski

945
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: literally was planning to kill Warner Herzog on set. I mean,

946
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: there's some incredible stories. Is German. He's a crazy man.

947
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: But this this autobiography. I don't know why I'm stacking

948
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: autobiographical reads, but UM, you know, you get like fifty

949
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: sixty pages into it and you're like, if this is

950
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: this actually this man's life. UM, I have never read

951
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: any account of one's living this way ever ever before. Um.

952
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: He's a truly strange character. But there are whispers, um,

953
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: and maybe more than whispers that a lot of the

954
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: book is just made up, that he went and wrote

955
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 1: a huge autobio her feet, but concocted like huge chunks

956
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 1: of it um as total fiction. That said, you can

957
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: tell that some of it is based in his real Um.

958
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: Experience is in a completely different world than we've ever

959
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 1: lived in. So if nothing else, it is a gripping read.

960
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: You've suddenly read like thirty one pages and you have

961
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: no idea where the hours have gone. Yeah, it's like

962
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: what's what's uh? Fiction? Non fiction? It blends together for

963
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: real like stuff. Yeah, it doesn't matter. I like the

964
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: like the more recent trend they call like auto fiction.

965
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, just right about your life and make

966
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: up a few things to make the story better and

967
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: call it fiction and like that. People like like to

968
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: read that. That's basically what fiction has been pretty often anyways.

969
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: All right, um, you don't you have to go Claibroon right, Yeah,

970
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm copying. Okay, so I'm gonna have to throw out

971
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: two more just because when else are we gonna do this?

972
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: Dan'll be back and he'll be like, no books allowed.

973
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: Um all right, Uh, we'll say goodbye to you, Claibon.

974
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 1: Um all right and see clon. And I just got

975
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 1: throughout two two quick novels to um Drive Your Plow

976
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: Over the Bones of the Dead by Olga to Court Chick,

977
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: which is one of the great titles ever. Drive Your

978
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: Plow Over the Bones of the Dead. It's kind of

979
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: like a murder mystery where you think possibly animals are

980
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: killing the humans. It's not to give away too much, um,

981
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: but it's it's deep yet a quick read. And the

982
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: other one is called earth Lings by Sayaka Marada, which

983
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: I think Mark would really like, which is really out

984
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: there people that do not think they're from um this

985
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: planet necessarily or they just feel a little out of

986
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: step with what's going on um in Japan, and it

987
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: goes crazy from there. But it's a well I do

988
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: think you have a bit of a special power in

989
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: terms of recommending books to me that I like you.

990
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 1: You have an incredible batting average, so um, I will

991
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: write that down and it will be a book that

992
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: I'll buy, and then three years from I probably should

993
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: start reading this. But you know, it looks it just

994
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: looks good in the back. I picked those two because

995
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: they're both like not you know, not for you, but yeah,

996
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: they're like two pages or less. I think they're both

997
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: relatively quick reads. Earthlings Yeah by Murata and Drive Your

998
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: Plow Over the Bones of the Dead by recent Nobel

999
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 1: Prize winner Olga. But it's a fun But that one

1000
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: is like she even said was kind of her I

1001
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: need money while I'm writing this tone that took me

1002
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: eight years to right, and I'm going to take a

1003
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: break and write this murder mystery over the course of

1004
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: like six months. But it turned out to be like

1005
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: one of her best books, and it's like an amazing read.

1006
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: That's how I feel about like NFL dot Com articles,

1007
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: like in theory, quietly working on something important in the

1008
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: background while punching these things out left and right, not

1009
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: even left and right at this point that the like, wait,

1010
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: what are you the important thing that you're working on?

1011
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: Then well, no, that's the part that's missing, unfortunately. But

1012
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: I'd like to think, you know, if you whenever you

1013
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: like have these, you'd like to think you're working on

1014
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 1: something important. In fact, I've probably even told people that

1015
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: at various junctures. Is it true? Not at all? This

1016
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: podcast thing? This podcast is important? UM. I mean, if

1017
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: you've made it this far, um, you you in this

1018
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: deep in the off season, you gotta love this podcast

1019
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: or you really love reading. Who really knows. We will

1020
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: be back on Tuesday next week, um and uh, hopefully

1021
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 1: we'll have some good stories to tell and hopefully the

1022
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: NFL does not explode. In the next day or two.

1023
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 1: As mini camps wrap up, the NFL all the players, coaches, GMS,

1024
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: front office. They are taking their only true time off

1025
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: of the year through about July four. Then some of

1026
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: the people start coming back. The players come back for

1027
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: training camp will be around uh next week and throughout

1028
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: the off season, but maybe not quite as much. All right,

1029
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 1: let's hit the music. There is until Tuesday. Um Mark

1030
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: Sessler was here, Patrick Cleaveland was here. We got help

1031
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: from producing justin keep a call