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Speaker 1: Podcast starts now. Podcast starts now. Welcome to Stradio Lab

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Speaker 1: of the podcast where two gay guys unpack the multifaceted

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Speaker 1: and multicolor tapestry of straight culture while also yeah commenting

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Speaker 1: in the medic capacity on the art form of podcasting

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Speaker 1: and the idea of being a comedian turn podcaster who

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Speaker 1: is or is not gay. Wow, you know that was

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Speaker 1: such a full um explanation, and I'm so glad I

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Speaker 1: got to hear it through you. You know, I feel

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Speaker 1: like not to take credit. I carry this podcast intro

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Speaker 1: go in. I I thought, I said, this is my

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Speaker 1: this episode is my episode that this episode is my

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Speaker 1: fight song, and I'm going to keep all this is

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Speaker 1: very this is the part. This is like in Me

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Speaker 1: Against the Music where Madonna goes and me, Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: episode to me is where I is, where I finally shine.

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Speaker 1: You know, forty eight episodes, it's been me going, it's

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Speaker 1: and me yes, And I think that is so so powerful.

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Speaker 1: It's powerful. It's also really kind of um, I would say,

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Speaker 1: very problematic and put in a post free Brittany world

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Speaker 1: that now I think it's my time. It's the time

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Speaker 1: for Madonna to shine. I'm like, you know how, there's like, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're kind of like reconsidering the reputations of

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Speaker 1: various women that were treated poorly by the media. I

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Speaker 1: want to think of one that like was actually evil

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Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to think who that would be, who

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Speaker 1: all like, I want to you know what I'm gonna do,

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Speaker 1: Like Margaret Matcher, I'm gonna be like, you know what,

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Speaker 1: if we're apologizing to Brittany, apologize to Margaret Thatcher, do

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Speaker 1: you think m I A deserves an apology? Um? I

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Speaker 1: does not deserve one from me. I have also always

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Speaker 1: lived for m I A. But she also was remember

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Speaker 1: that like her toxic era and not everyone here. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure I guess we'll have a lot to say that this,

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Speaker 1: But I truly think sometimes people who are eccentrics are

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Speaker 1: there needs to be a certain capacity, there's a certain

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Speaker 1: capacity for for um forgiveness, even if they do things

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Speaker 1: that are technically unforgivable. Should I actually, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I take all that back. Our guests has left the room,

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Speaker 1: by the way, Yeah he must really really has. He's

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Speaker 1: left the room. He left when he's empty. We're completely

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Speaker 1: with a guest right back. Um, okay, wait, so sorry,

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Speaker 1: I take what I said back. I don't think people

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Speaker 1: is a slate queen. Um, here's what I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about while we're talking about slay Queen George, you

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Speaker 1: mentioned to me before this episode started it you've been

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Speaker 1: rewatching Sex and the City and you've been liking it. Well,

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Speaker 1: I've rewatched sexan City many times. I think Sex and

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Speaker 1: I'm so blown away with how stupid it is that

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Speaker 1: until then. I got to the episode where Samantha literally

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Speaker 1: like commits a hate crime and it's played for laughs. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well that you know, that's a that's a bad app

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Speaker 1: What I'm mostly enjoying this time around is carries is

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Speaker 1: is realizing how complex of a character Carry is. How

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Speaker 1: so because she is the and I know this is

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Speaker 1: who keeps hurting those around her because of her selfishness. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: she's bad. No I I just watched the episode where

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Speaker 1: she brings Big two Aiden's country home while she's there

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Speaker 1: she's got a shopping addiction. She's well weird that you

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Speaker 1: would include that she loves shoes, George, it's so much

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Speaker 1: know she's labels in love. Do you think that one

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Speaker 1: libel labels love in the botomy. Well, oh that's a

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Speaker 1: George Sexonsity reboot is happening. You would get to play

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Speaker 1: other gay guys like like, oh are they they got together?

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Speaker 1: What if I played their younger? Third? I would love that.

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Speaker 1: That's genius. So that's my second option. And then I

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Speaker 1: the first movie Louise from St. Louis. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: you would crush that role. Thank you. What do you

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Speaker 1: want to would you play? I see myself as like

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Speaker 1: old is Brady. Oh my god, he's okay. So what

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Speaker 1: if Brady is gay and I play Brady's boyfriend? That

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Speaker 1: actually would be my ideal role. I think that's iconic.

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Speaker 1: And Brady, because he's like a redhead, would be played

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Speaker 1: by Rupert Grint, Rupert Grant or kJ Appa and then

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Speaker 1: and then I would play the boyfriend with a dark secret,

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Speaker 1: which I'm fucking Samantha. I love that off screen always. Yeah, God,

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Speaker 1: I have to say it really is. It's grim that

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Speaker 1: that show is coming back anyway. Should we welcome um

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Speaker 1: our guest? Yeah, let's welcome our guest. Um. Well, you

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Speaker 1: know him from his role upcoming role as Samantha in

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Speaker 1: the Sex City reboot. Please put your paws up for

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Speaker 1: Jeremy o' harris. Actually, it's actually funny. I'm about to

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Speaker 1: it's like rewriting Sex in the City as you would

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Speaker 1: My friend Laura came up with it, and um, I

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Speaker 1: But my idea is that like New York wits over

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Speaker 1: just I am really interested in more writer's rooms for

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Speaker 1: so this is something I've been and I actually want

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Speaker 1: to talk to you Jeremy about Nomad Land, because you

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Speaker 1: I mean in many ways, and this is obvious, but

427
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Speaker 1: it's christ like. What we do is christ like, Like.

428
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's hard to explain, but we

429
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Speaker 1: just are being christ Like figures. Christ was the original

430
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Speaker 1: person that would walk in and be like, yeah, I

431
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: turned this water into wine. But ironically, like it was,

432
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: it was not a big deal. It's more like to

433
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Speaker 1: comment on religion and magic and like and the idea

434
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Speaker 1: of like alcohol and nonalcoholic beverages in sort of our

435
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Speaker 1: value system, And why is this more magical than just

436
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: drinking water if you think about it. Yes, no, it's

437
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: like we are doing the turning water into wine. But

438
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: we turn a podcast into um, a bad podcast. We

439
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: turned a good podcast into bad podcast. Can we take,

440
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: we take beautiful guests, incredible topics, and we turned them

441
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Speaker 1: all into nothing. Say we say, you think this is good,

442
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: Actually it could be bad. I wonder as well, what

443
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,719
Speaker 1: makes a good podcast? Because I have yet to understand

444
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: and now this is the question, and this is exactly

445
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Speaker 1: the key to well two millions of dollars for one.

446
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: But um, jeremy, what we were a dream podcast be

447
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: as a listener, not a podcast. My dream part film? Yeah,

448
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: you know, interested like a very good film made by

449
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: Claire Denis. Oh my god, it's my best podcast is

450
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: cleared Tony going back to Africa to make a film.

451
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: I was literally going to say, as a joke that

452
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Speaker 1: it would be both travid and are you serious? Yeah,

453
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: I'm dead serious because I was just, Um, I've been

454
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: trying to well, we don't have to go into this.

455
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 1: I've been trying to kind of get through her films recently.

456
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Speaker 1: Have you seen th bitch Old mccorner has passed. Um,

457
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: So we had to go to the restroom is now.

458
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: Um was because I had to pee, but also because

459
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: I still haven't gotten over the fact that two white

460
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Speaker 1: men decided to discuss the villiny of m I a while,

461
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: I was, you know what, I'm actually really glad, thank

462
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: you forgetting it back there. I just had to bring

463
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: that up. Um, it was sitting heavy on my spirit.

464
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Speaker 1: So so here's my thing. To me, I've I've never

465
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: like looked into white people don't like am I. I

466
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: always liked her music, so so that's kind of where

467
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm coming from. And so I was so when sam As,

468
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I don't know, I always liked

469
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Speaker 1: am I. But then I was like, oh god, what

470
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: if she said something that was like really terrible and

471
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Speaker 1: I just don't know about it, so I should like

472
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: what if she was literally like you know, I don't know,

473
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Speaker 1: I'm a Holocaust denier or something. It's I don't want

474
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: that on my back. So I was just like, you

475
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Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna I'm gonna back to and then

476
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: we never revisited genuinely. And again, hopefully someone will watch

477
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: this and like footnote it in like in some response

478
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Speaker 1: to be like, this is why Jeremy is problematic because

479
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: he didn't remember this, but again, tell me and I'll

480
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: remember it now. But I thought that the whole thing

481
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Speaker 1: that delegitimized her was marrying a billionaire and uh and

482
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Speaker 1: and eating truffle fis in that one interview, which was

483
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Speaker 1: a set up by that wife in New York Time. Yes,

484
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: well one, you know, I think we can all agree

485
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: cancel culture has gone too far when you can't marry

486
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Speaker 1: a billionaire without um having a beautiful career. Still, I

487
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: think the anti billionaire sentiment is just running rampant, and

488
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: it's disgusting, and it's on American frankly the way that

489
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: it affected both am I and Grimes, two of my

490
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: ultimately favorite musicians. I think I actually think, just like

491
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Speaker 1: women like Mia Sir Sharon and women shouldn't be able

492
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Speaker 1: to marry billionaires. Yeah, I mean also am I. The

493
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Speaker 1: trouble devised thing was when she then tweeted out the

494
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Speaker 1: writer's phone number, the sort of um, you know, bringing

495
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: doxing to a whole new level, uh, popularizing it among many.

496
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: I don't think I had heard of doxing until that moment,

497
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: I mean, and ever since then, I've been addicted to

498
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: the stuff. I love it, but I love part of

499
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Speaker 1: and I love people who who really like like, if

500
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Speaker 1: they're like, you've harmed me, I will run you to

501
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: the ground and like, you know, nothing runs you to

502
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Speaker 1: the ground, like getting five billion text messages from random people. Um. Again,

503
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: I indicated about like successful women marrying billionaires because like,

504
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: as we all know, successful women have a hard time, um,

505
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: finding men who don't feel intimidated by them. Um. And

506
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: so you know, you know, you see, like you know,

507
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: masculinity coming to crisis when a woman just like is

508
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Speaker 1: a manager and a footballer. You know, like imagine if

509
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Speaker 1: she also is performing in the super Bowl. You know,

510
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: like it takes a really big guy to do that.

511
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Speaker 1: You have to be a billionaire like Jay z Elon

512
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Speaker 1: Musk or whoever it was that she married at one time.

513
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Speaker 1: And also the one that Adell married. You know, Oh,

514
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Speaker 1: I didn't know that he was like very well, I

515
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Speaker 1: was just gonna say that Serena Williams also married a billionaire.

516
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Speaker 1: But I I don't know, I don't care. I mean,

517
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Speaker 1: I as a successful gay man, I who you know,

518
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Speaker 1: found myself constantly in relationships with men that would be

519
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Speaker 1: going well until they came into some sort of like

520
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Speaker 1: ego crisis. I had to start dating a man who

521
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Speaker 1: had a ROLEXE. You were there when I started dating him? Wow, yes,

522
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Speaker 1: I was. I did not know he wore what I

523
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Speaker 1: do remember, and I was like, he's maintaining his power.

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Speaker 1: Huh wow. Interesting Unfortunately that god remember. Yeah, so this

525
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: Jeremy I ran into each other in the Athens airport

526
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Speaker 1: after he was coming back from his wild um sex

527
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: capadea in Athens. Yeah, and at this point it was

528
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: like two years ago. Yes, we have to say that

529
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: because now if we say that, people are like, whoa,

530
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: Jeremy and George went to Athens in the middle of

531
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: a globe, not not amid COVID, as the Daily Mail

532
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: would say. Um, let's do our first. Okay, let's dove

533
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: for a segment. Sam too late. So Jeremy, we're gonna

534
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: ask you a series of rapid fire questions. You have

535
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: to just pick A or B, and if you ask

536
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: us any follow up questions, we'll get furious at you

537
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: got it? Okay, George, you start, okay, Jeremy nomad Land

538
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: or Disneyland neither okay, Jeremy Britney Spears or picking up

539
00:31:51,400 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: some beers Britney Spears, World War or word press those well,

540
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: how did those are late? I'm sorry, Oh my god,

541
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: you can't. This is more of a data exercise. Um

542
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: word dress okay, Um King Kong or bing Bang Bong

543
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: Sing Sang Song Ding Dang Dong uk Hun Um b Jeremy, Um,

544
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: Lars von Trier or Lars and the Real Girl, Lars

545
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: one Trier, Lars one Jeremy quarterback, snack attack or hit

546
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: it from the back. Um those are three now, right?

547
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: Or is it like, yeah, you have the difficulty because

548
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: you're doing such a good job. I would say, also,

549
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: I want the readership to know that you are dressed

550
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: like Lars and the Real Girl right now, Sam dress

551
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: Sam dressed Lars margin the Real Girl. Yeah, yeah, that's

552
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: a really good point. Sam does have the look of

553
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: someone in a sun Dance comedy if anyone's listening. Okay,

554
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: Jeremy growing pains or chaos rains, Chaos rains, Okay, Jeremy

555
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: writing a Twitter thread or being declared legally dead. Being

556
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: declared legally dead, and that's a wrap up that what

557
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't give me declared legally dead. Wow, what a

558
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: relief one day, I know. Um okay, wait, let's you

559
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: know what. I think we need to just like, uh,

560
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: get into the topic, into the topic. I think we

561
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: need to get into the topic because you know, we

562
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: got really deep into film corner and um and we

563
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: you know, and then we talked about the billionaires and

564
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: that was kind of fun. We were things were really

565
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: starting to heat up here on the podcast. Can I

566
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: ask you something before we continue? Wait one thing? Jeremy

567
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: asked what it makes a good podcast? And my working

568
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: theater theory is, um, oh my god, I want a

569
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,959
Speaker 1: book about the working theater, right, Jeremy, of course, you know,

570
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. My um my theory is a podcast

571
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 1: must be juicy. In order to be good. You gotta

572
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: give the girl something to talk about. Sam. My question

573
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: for you is, I want to get this out in

574
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: the open before we continue. Are you mad that I

575
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: spend too much time talking about movies? I am, I'm mad.

576
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: I think you're mad. You know, I wouldn't say anger

577
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: is the feeling. Um, maybe I feel some sort of

578
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: missed opportunity. Um, you know, I guess I think I've

579
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 1: dealed with a little fear. I think maybe our listeners

580
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: come to this show, you know, to have a laugh. Um. Yes,

581
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: we're smart, we're thoughtful, but mostly we're funny, and you know,

582
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: to sort of commit fully to just the smart and thoughtful.

583
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 1: I thought was, it's a dangerous move, it's a risk,

584
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: and it's that's a really bad precedent. Wow, Okay, you're

585
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 1: mad as much as devastated. I just think the norms

586
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: of this podcast are breaking down at such a rate

587
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: that I'm fearful of the future. Sure, to me, we

588
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: reached our height when we have that kind of riff

589
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: about how we are uh critiquing ourselves as we exist

590
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 1: or whatever, And in my mind, that made up for

591
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: everything else I've ever done in my life. Well, I

592
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: think we can start on a clean slate. UM podcast

593
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: starts now introduced the topic Now, okay, so the topic UM.

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00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: You know, I thought it would be juicy. UM. So

595
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: Jeremy and I went to high school together in Martinsville, Virginia, UM,

596
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: and so I thought it would be fun to um

597
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: talk both about our high school experience and high school

598
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: in general. If you know, that's not working, But I

599
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: think we have UM some things you see in there

600
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: when I have been assigned the I I have been

601
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: assigned the role of peer mediator. In Sam's words, I said,

602
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: I said, you know, you, there's a lot of heavy

603
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: lifting for you to do in this episode, So you know,

604
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: kind of are you ready emotionally, psychically, and then he said, yes,

605
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: but you expect you know, you have the role of

606
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: peer mediator, so I will jump in whenever I feel

607
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: like someone is being in any way um erased or

608
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: marginalized or um rewritten. Even I also want to articulate

609
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: to the to this podcast. I thought I was going

610
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: on the Red Table today, so all of this other

611
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 1: stuff feels like a weird It felt like it felt

612
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: like you were leading me into a trap, and I

613
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: was right. The Red Table is here, um, and I'm excited.

614
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: I wish we had started straight away at the Red Table.

615
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: And um, if we are the I feel as though

616
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 1: you're more You're less pure mediator and more um Jada

617
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Speaker 1: Pinkett Smith's mother, you know that? Or sure? Actually? Um, yes,

618
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: I'm aware they both generally play mediation. Whenever Will and

619
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: Jada are on the show together, it's a sort of

620
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: a Will and Jada meet up, which gives people like,

621
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: this is kind of a Will and Jade to meet up.

622
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: What what what? What kind of things happened to you? Guys?

623
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: Are well and Jeddie so well, I'm ready, I'm in character.

624
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: I will be doing kind of a wildly offensive impression. Um,

625
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: and I'm ready to a kain Okay, So like, where

626
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: do we start, Jeremy? Okay, I feel like okay, I

627
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: feel like I want to just put it all out

628
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: on the table. And I would love to hear your

629
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: experience of the one year we went to high school together.

630
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: So we went to high school for one year. I

631
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: moved there. Uh was that I moved their sophomore year

632
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: the end of sophomore year? Yes? Was it? Was it

633
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: sophomore and junior year? Or was it just because I

634
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: went back to private school junior and senior year? Oh? Okay, wow,

635
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: so we really packed a lot into this year, this

636
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: sophomore year. Yes. So I moved to Martinsville, Virginia from

637
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 1: Michigan and I meet you and uh, your crew, which

638
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: I would describe as the like smart, weird, nerdy kids. Right,

639
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: they were the popular kids, but also because they were

640
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: wealthy and in the smart like anyone who lived in

641
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: Mulberry or chat Moss, which is like the wealthy suburb, generally,

642
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 1: those kids ended up in gifted and talented? How did

643
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: how was that possible? Who knows? And somehow the kids

644
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: who would have been at the private school I was

645
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: at before the school. UM ended up at this in

646
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 1: the gifted and talented program, separated from all of the

647
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: black kids of generally UM and poor white kids from

648
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: the community. So that was the click I was in

649
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: because I was rare black and poor person who was

650
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: in gifted and talented. Yeah. Um, And so I like

651
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: start making friends with kind of your crew, uh, your circle,

652
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: and and then the bullying begins, and then your circle

653
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: was was mean to me. Okay, So now described from

654
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: your end how that happened. My end, I have been

655
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: going to this private school, and then my mother, because

656
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: of like you know, a second divorce, UM, could no

657
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: longer afford to keep me in that school. So I

658
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: had to go to the public school. Where the first

659
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: day of that public school my freshman year, I was

660
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 1: like heinously beat up for reading Harry Potter at lunch, UM,

661
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: because someone was like, what the funk you doing reading

662
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: a book at lunch and I was like what, like

663
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: slapped the book out of my hand, and then UM,

664
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: I was like beat up or then I slapped him

665
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: like a girl. Um, and then they were like, he

666
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: hits like a girl. And then he talked me up,

667
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: which I'm like, if I hit like a girl, why

668
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: does it take three men to beat me up? Anyway? Whatever? Um.

669
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: I am then sort of adopted by the seniors in

670
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: the Gifted in Talent program, and they were like, why

671
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: don't you gifted in talented? Like you seem smart? And

672
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, cool, And so then I got

673
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 1: to be in like I thought to be in Gifted

674
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: in Talented, they put me in there. And then because

675
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: I was already friends with the seniors, the like rich

676
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: cool kids like sort of welcomed me into their click begrudgingly,

677
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: like I wasn't like actually there. The sophomore year was

678
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: like my trial of doing it without the sort of

679
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: shadow or like protection of these rich people or these

680
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: older people, these seniors. And I always felt like my

681
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: position was tenuous inside of that group. Um, but they

682
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: were like my safety and the only sort of social

683
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: dynamic I had. And then this very nice, very sweet,

684
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: very white and fun boy shows up and he's in

685
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: I think we had like biology together that was like

686
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: our main class together, or the class where we sat

687
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: next to each other, um, and like we had like

688
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: a friendliness to each other. We like actually like we're

689
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: congenial and then but then you were getting close to

690
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: a lot of the people in the click um, and

691
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: you would also inspired a crush in one girl in

692
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 1: the click um, and the girls were my main safety.

693
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: The girls were the ones who like really brought me

694
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: in and um, I'm gonna change her name, but I

695
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: want people to hear the sort of like lilt of

696
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 1: her name. But it was like, you know, uh, Sarah

697
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: Sarah Catherine um May Hall was like basically this girl's name,

698
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: you know. So Sarah Catherine was telling everyone at one

699
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: party at this one guy's house that she really um

700
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: that she really liked Sam and thought he was really hot,

701
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: and a couple of the other girls started saying he

702
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: was really hot, and and I started I was feeling

703
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: very on the out so this group at the time,

704
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: and I felt really weird about being on the outs

705
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: and not really know what to do. And in my

706
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: mind it was like fight or flight. And I was

707
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: literally like, wow, this white boys about to replace me

708
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: and I will go back to being alone. And so

709
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: I noticed because I, you know, should be on Big

710
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: Brother or Survivor that uh, there was miss the frustration

711
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: of mistrust on the on behalf of one of the

712
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: white straight boys who had a crush on Sarah Sarah

713
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: Catherine Um. And he was like, what the funk? And

714
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: I was like, well, you know, I heard or I

715
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: feel like Sam might be gay, like literally, just like

716
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: a dumb thing a kid says, just like and I

717
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: guess like something inside my spirit told me that that

718
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: this boy was like me, you know um, and no

719
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: one who I was gay than either or that you

720
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: were not out. You were not out. I was not out.

721
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: And they were like what And all the girls are like,

722
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: no way, and all the guys are like do that

723
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: makes so much sense? And I was like, yeah, guys,

724
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: I'm due to you know. This is my way of

725
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: getting him with the dudes. And was like, I think

726
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: he is gay. And then someone was like, oh my god,

727
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: that makes so much sense. And I was like you

728
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: should ask him maybe again, not realizing that this is heinous,

729
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: just thinking self protection and then they called sad and yeah,

730
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: but the bullying began. Yeah, So I keep in mind

731
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: I was new. I was like, had moved here, like

732
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: you know, a month or two at this point, like

733
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: very new, and it was all everyone was pretty unfriendly

734
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: in that school, like it was like like I had

735
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: moved like every two or three years, so I was

736
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: used to it. But it was like, oh, this is

737
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: a different um read of like clicky and like hard

738
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 1: to break into. And um. So then I this night.

739
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: I had called this house earlier because like we had

740
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: a science project to the next day or something, and

741
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: like I had a question about it. And so then

742
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: I got the call back and I was like, oh,

743
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna answer my question about the science project. And

744
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: it was like, um are you gay, and like clearly

745
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: on speakerphone with like everyone around, and I'm just like

746
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: at home doing this fucking science project and I was

747
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: just like um um um, Like I think I just

748
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: said like no and then like hung up or something.

749
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: But it was like very um bad. And then it

750
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: was like like we were in a basement as well,

751
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: Like you know, it was like that type of dark. Yeah,

752
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: and then your sister called us, and then my sister

753
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: called back and was like fuck you guys, like kind

754
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: of went off, and I again me, I was thinking

755
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: that this meant nothing to Sam. It was just like

756
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: a way of like pushing this again in my mind.

757
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: He wasn't actually gay. It was like just a thing

758
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: that was the worst thing you could say about a

759
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: boy exactly in the South that would get everyone away

760
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: from you. Um. Because you also weren't really like straight,

761
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 1: you were very straight passing. I would say you didn't

762
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: read gay, you know, so it was like an insane

763
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: thing for me to say um or to guess um.

764
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: And uh So then like a month later you left,

765
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: you just like switch schools. But I didn't know what

766
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: had happened. No, No, I stayed there. Over the next year,

767
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: you just went No, I was still at school there.

768
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: Oh I just switched school. No, I'm still there. Wow,

769
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 1: you know what? I remember it like, yeah, you went

770
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: to Prepriva school again. But it kept kind of happening,

771
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: like it kept like it heightened because it was like

772
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: first there was that call and then it was like

773
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: kind of like spread around and then it was like okay.

774
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:18,479
Speaker 1: So I remember like one of our girl friends would

775
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 1: be like like was like, oh, you should date Jeremy.

776
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 1: You should date Jeremy, And I was like, oh my god,

777
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: like what is going on? And then like I went

778
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 1: to like sitt like at your table at lunch where

779
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: like that had been my spot, and like somebody like

780
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: one of them was like said something like, oh, you know,

781
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: are you gonna take like a guide of a dance

782
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 1: or something. There was something like an off rude comment,

783
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: and I literally like I just didn't set my trade

784
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: down and like walked to a table of people I

785
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: didn't know and was like this, like fuck this. Um

786
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 1: And for most from most of my life after that night,

787
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: literally the thing I remembered was that right, like that

788
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: thing I did that moment because I didn't care enough

789
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: about whatever seed I planted to like water it, you know,

790
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: it was just like a protection seed. Um And I

791
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: was also like really trying to figure out how I

792
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,439
Speaker 1: was going to get back to like my the right

793
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: school for me, which still wasn't any better technically. It

794
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: was just like at least small fewer people, um And

795
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: and I but I always felt fondly of Sam as

796
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: like a nice person, And I felt bad about what

797
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: I had done because like I remembered the anger in

798
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: your sister's voice and recognized that that meant that you

799
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 1: were really upset, um And so I was really shocked

800
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: when I saw you a couple of years later in Chicago. Yeah,

801
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: so we had fully lost contact mm hmmm. And it

802
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 1: was like at like three am or something, and I

803
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: was like with my like gay friends. We had just

804
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: kind of like Berlin or whatever. It was like after Pride. Yeah, yeah,

805
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: and it was crazy and then we like chatted it

806
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 1: and it was very nice, which was weird because we

807
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: were kind of at odds at the end of Well,

808
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: I think he didn't necessarily know that I had done this,

809
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: because at the end of the conversation. Remember I was like, well,

810
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: it was getting along so swimmingly, like it's so great,

811
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: so funny, and I was like, oh my god, you

812
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: want to know the craziest thing. And he was like what,

813
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: It's like, it's so weird that you're gay because I

814
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: one day I randomly said x y Z and then

815
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,479
Speaker 1: they called you and asked you, and he was like, wait,

816
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: that was you. And I saw like battery that had

817
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: been built between us over this hour long diner hang,

818
00:48:53,960 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: like like explode in a moment. I didn't realized that

819
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 1: that Sam. You only found out it was Jeremy later on. Yeah,

820
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: I do kind of still thought he was your What

821
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 1: was your what was it? What was the issue between

822
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: the two of you, Like after this incident, I mean, Jeremy,

823
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: you did not come forward as being the one to

824
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: have initiated it, so you guys kept being friendly with

825
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: each other. I think maybe I was mean to you

826
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: after that, like yacause I knew it was you, but

827
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: I was like, that group is like mean to me,

828
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: so I'm just like icing them all out. Yes, I

829
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: think that, like Sam, probably I had this idea that

830
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: I was closer inside of the group than I was,

831
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: and and I definitely felt like you were like forsona

832
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: on grata as well in some ways, because if I

833
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: became close to you, then that would give the group

834
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: more impetus to invite you back in or even to

835
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: see me in the same way that like I had

836
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: inspired them to see you potentially, which I guess they

837
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: already did since they were saying we should date. So

838
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: I guess I was pretty clock Um, this really is

839
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: just like this is like a microcosm of how gay

840
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: men destroy one another. And to offer a Marxist analysis,

841
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: if if the group of popular kids are literally like

842
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: the heteropatriarchy, it's like basically you are both doing violence

843
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: to each other and to yourselves in order to try

844
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: it in some way fit in or like make yourself

845
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: into a shape that is able to go into the

846
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: hole that is created for you. Yes, yeah, it was. Yeah.

847
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: There's also an interesting thing about, like it was weird

848
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: to see the people that were in that group, like

849
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: a few of them went to college with me, and

850
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: to see like the like they just have, like their

851
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: views change over the four Like you know, one year

852
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: into college and you're like, of course I love gay people,

853
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, I actually remember you bullying me

854
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: um for being perceived as gay two years ago. Um,

855
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: So it was like extremely It's always weird that some

856
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: of them are now like Republican like partners to like

857
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: Republican candidates and stuff. Have you noticed that on facebooks?

858
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: Or do do you not really see it? I kind

859
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: of I'm out of contact with most of them. I'm

860
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: very much so as well, But sometimes I'll go and

861
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: do like weird name searches. I'm like, oh wait, you're

862
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: married to that kind of person. While yeah, there's a

863
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: few I like to keep up with on Facebook. Like

864
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: I don't ever comment on their things, but I like

865
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: to see what they're up to. I do feel like

866
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: I part of you someone to come on here is

867
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: to like publicly apologize for something that happened privately, UM,

868
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: because I feel I've held since that day, UM, in

869
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 1: that basement, I've held a lot of guilt around what

870
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 1: I said and how I said it, UM, and still

871
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: feel very confused about like the actual reason. Like I

872
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: can theorize what made those things come out of my

873
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: mouth and how they came out of my mouth, but

874
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,959
Speaker 1: it doesn't excuse the fact that I, UM did something

875
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: that was really horrible to someone else. UM, And I yeah,

876
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm very very sorry truly UM. Well because it's I'm yeah,

877
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: it's a really UM, it's a fucked up thing. And

878
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: like it's funny to laugh about it sometimes to myself

879
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: to think about the ways in which like I was

880
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: like a manipulative mean girl inside of like a group

881
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: that didn't want me in order to have some semblance

882
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: of like stability in my life, UM and how like.

883
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's like my life isn't a narrative,

884
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: it's not a movie. Like there's no reason to like,

885
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: um run away from it. When confronted with like a

886
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: person that I could have been very very good friends

887
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: with and could have been an ally with UM in adulthood,

888
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: just say like it's funked up for me. Got to

889
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:10,479
Speaker 1: just say I am very sorry on the record, Well

890
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: you know that all has long been forgiven. Yeah, no,

891
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 1: it's okay, I I'm I'm Also it's a bummer because

892
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: I also remember how I felt then, and I remember

893
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: like feeling similarly like you know, you gotta like I

894
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: understood the social games and it was like, if I

895
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,439
Speaker 1: am too close to Jeremy, that will be a red

896
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 1: flag to people, because if we're both the gay ones,

897
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: that's like gonna be bad. So I should like keep

898
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 1: him out in arms length. And uh so I also

899
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: feel bad about how, you know, we could have been

900
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:48,919
Speaker 1: great friends and good allies to each other and it's

901
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: too bad that we couldn't be. It's, uh, it's the

902
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: that's that's what's growing up. But I don't know, growing

903
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,280
Speaker 1: up in like fucking conservative places make you psych catty,

904
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 1: but also trauma builds character, you know, It's true. And

905
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 1: podcast damn drag me. Well they they also they like

906
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: it was they upheld their supremacy by uh preventing any

907
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: kind of solidarity between the two of you. That was

908
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: like a tool of the of the patriarchy. But you know,

909
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: I also it's with my analysis today, but I am.

910
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: I really am sticking to it. I think it's good

911
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: and it's you know, I think now it's it's been

912
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: long buried for the most part. I feel like that

913
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: time we ran into that diner, into each other in

914
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: that diner was like the beginning of like, you know,

915
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 1: at this point, like a decade long series of like

916
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: bumping into each other a few times a year at

917
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: weird gay cities and like being like, whoa, what have

918
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,439
Speaker 1: you been up to? And our lives are just like

919
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:02,919
Speaker 1: um constantly um in parallel in a weird way yum,

920
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: and it's it was. The second time I ran into

921
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: you was the night I started dating um, a bisexual

922
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: Russian um at like a weird um. I mean, I

923
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,760
Speaker 1: don't think you had dinner. You really are a carry

924
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 1: but like it was like, really I am a carry, um.

925
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: But it was like it was really wild because like

926
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: we were on the street and then like I ran

927
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: into you and I was like freaking out because the

928
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: last time I run into you, I saw you like

929
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: any friendship we could have had explode in your eyes.

930
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: And then I run into you again in the middle

931
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: of like porch Wick at like four am, as like

932
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm on Molly and you probably are as well. Um.

933
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: And then as I went back to this guy's house

934
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: who I thought was straight, Um, I was just like like,

935
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: oh my god, you don't believe it, like I did

936
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: this fund up thing and like blah blah blah, and

937
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: he was gay. I do want to step my dick

938
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: And then like that was how like that was like

939
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: I feel like every time I ran into you something

940
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: weird or would happen, if like some new weird thing

941
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: would happen. Um, so yeah, I mean the last time

942
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: we write we saw each other was on set and

943
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: you played my director in the TV show. It's true?

944
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: How fun? Can you believe? It? So weird? That's really

945
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: fucking weird. Wait, so I wonder about this, like have

946
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: you do you because I don't know if you like

947
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: see yourself as like, uh, someone who minds your past

948
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: for narratives, but like bringing it back to movie corner,

949
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 1: how would you shape that narrative of your childhood trauma? If?

950
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: And would I be an important character in it? Or

951
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: would like how would that? How would high school the

952
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: Sam Taggart movie it work for you? Would Francis McDormand

953
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: play Jeremy, that's a good question. I feel like the

954
00:56:53,200 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: movie honestly, the Martinsville, my Martinsville era, uh felt like,

955
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's kind of a good coming of age.

956
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: Like I kind of needed like a bit of a

957
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: wake up call as to like, I don't like people

958
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: not liking you, Like I had kind of like hacked

959
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: like my way through like you know, social circles every

960
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: time we moved, and I was like this is like

961
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: I'm good at this. I'm good at this. And then

962
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: it was like, okay, what how do you respond when

963
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: you're failing? And it was like kind of a nice

964
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: um wake up call and taught me to like look

965
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: inward and like self rely and uh so I I

966
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: definitely like, yeah, I think I I think I grew

967
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: from it, and I think the movie would be about

968
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: that growth. Um. Not to sound um too lame, but

969
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: I remember feeling very proud of myself come like junior

970
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: year for being like well liked again, and I felt

971
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: very in control of myself and uh just like I

972
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: didn't like let those that like get me down really

973
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: were when you were well liked, do you feel like

974
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: you then there was pent up uh negativity and you

975
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: where you were like, now I want to bully someone? Um, No,

976
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: I don't think there was. Yeah, I maybe had like

977
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: maybe keeping everyone in arms length too much, but not

978
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: not wanting to bully people. Wait did you graduate at

979
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: Martinsville High School? I did? That is so crazy to me.

980
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: So it was literally just like deleted a part of me.

981
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: Also like did that act and then repressed it so

982
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: much that I just like changed the narrative and made

983
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: it so that you like fully moved towns when I

984
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: actually that like abscon did and like hit away in

985
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: the private school in the corner. Yeah, yeah, that's wild,

986
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: it really. I mean I have to say as someone

987
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: who you know moved to a different country when I

988
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: was like changes in If you go through any kind

989
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: of life change that coincides with puberty in anyway, you're fucked.

990
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: Even being static is like difficult enough. Did you did

991
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: you ever bully anyone? George? Um, let's see. I mean

992
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: I think I've talked about this before, but I I

993
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: think I was raised in a family were like joking

994
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: in almost a mean spirited way was a sign of affection,

995
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: and I think I did. I do think I unintentionally

996
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: believed people in ways. I didn't realize we're bullying because

997
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: I was like, I distinctly remember this one girl when

998
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: I was in This is when before we moved back

999
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: to so I was living in New Jersey who like

1000
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: hated this one picture of herself, and I like, I

1001
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: can't remember exactly what I did, but it was like

1002
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: something along the lines of like printing out the picture

1003
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: and showing it Like it was something where it was like, oh,

1004
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: the joke is that she hates the picture and I'm

1005
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: gonna like do something funny with it or like send

1006
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: it to people or something. And in my mind I

1007
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: thought she would feel like she was in on the joke,

1008
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: but I was instead doing the most hurtful possible thing

1009
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: to a girl, like literally a you know, twelve year

1010
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: old girl who was like at the peak of insecurities

1011
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: about her appearance. But I just and I'm sure if

1012
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: someone did the simil a similar thing to me, I

1013
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: would also be hurt. But I there was something about, like,

1014
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: for instance, I was very fat growing up, and like

1015
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: that was always a source of everyone in my family

1016
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: would like joke about that, and I had to like

1017
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: decide I am in on the joke. Otherwise because I

1018
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: can't let it be a hurtful thing. I can't interpret

1019
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: it it as people like being mean to me. It's like,

1020
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: oh no, it's funny that I and then I would

1021
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: start like joking about my weight in school at school,

1022
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: and like I literally remember like at one point we

1023
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: were it was some kind of like language exercise and

1024
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: we were supposed to think of like three adjectives that

1025
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: describe us, and one of mine was fat. And it's like,

1026
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: but this was before like fat acceptance, Like it was

1027
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: like a derogatory thing. And I was like, yep, this

1028
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: is me reclaiming it. I'm reclaiming it. I'm reclaiming it

1029
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: like no one else could whatever. And so I thought

1030
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: that like that's how everyone thought. So I thought like

1031
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: it was okay to make yeah. But so so, yes,

1032
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: I mean I'm sure that was bullying, um in a sense.

1033
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 1: And I think I did that a lot. I think

1034
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: I like have a way of like seeing what people's

1035
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: weaknesses are and thinking it's a form of intimacy to

1036
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: point them out. Um. But but yes, I do think

1037
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: I acted in ways that we're not good. Yeah, I

1038
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: just think I mean I have to just rely on

1039
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: the the you know, the old truism that hurt people,

1040
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: hurt people literally about the same and I would, but

1041
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: it is true. I mean, and I will just say

1042
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: that like Sam had a preter natural like a sense

1043
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: of light in his eyes. Um, when he showed up

1044
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: at our school, and um, I felt like he had

1045
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: so much light that it could it was fine to

1046
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: try to dim a little bit, right, which is right.

1047
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: But also that was my eye, um, because my eyes

1048
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: were pitch black. Um, Sam should read our final segment.

1049
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: I do. I mean, yeah, I think we should. This

1050
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: has gone on with the second time for people like

1051
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: is this how you make a bad podcast? Just like

1052
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: this is where we went online and be like, hey,

1053
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I heard you that one time. Should you

1054
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: do with sequence of leads with ex boyfriends? We've done

1055
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: one with literally someone who Sam hooked up with, who

1056
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: is like in his words of Kinsey one married to

1057
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: a woman, and we unpacked him hooking up with Sam

1058
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: on the pod, which is honestly one of my favorite episodes.

1059
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: I agree, And I think this as I mean, he's

1060
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: like wild entanglements, it must be unpacked publicly. Yeah, well, George,

1061
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 1: we're going to get someone for joy we need to

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01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 1: get someone for me because I do a little if

1063
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: our intense sexual attraction to each other. So I my

1064
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: first well not first memory of view, no, actually yes,

1065
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: maybe first memory of you is in Fire Island. I

1066
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: was wearing a a women's jumpsuit from Nords, from rack Um,

1067
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: and I was I had had like I'm very much

1068
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: a lightweight when it comes to anything other than alcohol,

1069
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: and I had had like maybe a hit of a

1070
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: vpen or something, and I was just like I was

1071
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 1: like acting so mysterious and like sensual, and I was

1072
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 1: just kind of like, oh hey, George, and I was

1073
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: kind of like city I was. I was distinctly remember

1074
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, what I'm doing right now is giving

1075
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: him of my attention like enough where like obviously I

1076
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 1: we are having an interaction, but also like he knows

1077
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 1: at any given point I could turn around and not

1078
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: pay attention. Actually dynamic I need for any man all

1079
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: head over heels in love. And to be fair, you

1080
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: were like you were your energy was you were not

1081
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: saying at our house, but you would like come through

1082
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: whenever you would be, like you know, taking a break

1083
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: from whatever else you were doing. And it was just

1084
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: it was very much like I've been because my sister's doesn't.

1085
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: We've been watching one division. It was very much the

1086
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: character of Catherine Han, who's the neighbor You're like, you

1087
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: just like would knock on the door and me like,

1088
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: what's going on here? And I knew, you know, we

1089
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: had mutual friends, and I knew who you were, and

1090
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to come across was cool, and I think

1091
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 1: I almost overdid a twin extent where I was like,

1092
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: oh hey, But I do remember very very clearly you

1093
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 1: saying I had Leo energy, which I know I've mentioned

1094
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: to you in the past. Yes, yes, yes, yes, you

1095
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: also had great eyebrows and are an ethnic white. I

1096
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: am an ethnic white, and I do. I have to

1097
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: say one of the main parts of my life is

1098
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: when I realized I needed to stop tweezing my eyebrows

1099
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: because I'm stronger when I have my full eyebrows. And

1100
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: I think it on Fire Island, anyone who's not like

1101
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: a blonde white person is just like already getting pluses

1102
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: in my book, Um, because there are so many people

1103
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 1: who are like ethnic at all. To be an ethnic white,

1104
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: it's like WHOA, So you're in the top tier of Fire.

1105
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: Um it is. I mean what passes as ethnic on

1106
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: Fire Island is depressing slow bar. I mean, I do

1107
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 1: still want you to three in me and tell me

1108
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: how much a freak you have in because I think

1109
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: you have a little bit. I don't think I think

1110
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: I have. You were half white and half black, in

1111
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,479
Speaker 1: certain context, I think they would believe you. In fact,

1112
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: zo that was one of the things that Zoe asked

1113
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: me when I did her show, was like people was

1114
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: because people Alex English Ones told me he thought I

1115
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: was half that I was mixed in some way, and

1116
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: and Chili was sharp. I think I was with the

1117
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 1: two of them, and they both said it. But I

1118
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: think I wouldn't be surprised if I had like Middle

1119
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: Eastern heritage. I think that's what it is. I don't

1120
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 1: think it's I don't think it's black, but I don't black.

1121
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: Would you feel more or less excited about your heritage? Um,

1122
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 1: I mean I would feel more. I would be more

1123
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 1: excited in the sense that like I had. Okay, so,

1124
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: growing when I was living in America, I always thought

1125
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,959
Speaker 1: yes or no, no, But but I have. So here's

1126
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: the context of this. I always thought when I was

1127
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: in America that it was so cool in my young

1128
01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: mind that like people had heritage from all these different

1129
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: places and all I could say was that I was

1130
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 1: a Greek. So in that sense, it will be a

1131
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 1: long delayed um what's the word gratification that like, oh

1132
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: I have something interesting about me, I'm not just one thing. Um.

1133
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: But overall, he would not be excited to be blacked. No,

1134
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: I would, I will say, I will, I would. I know?

1135
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: You know, what did you, Jeremy? Did you see this

1136
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: person on Twitter that was like accused of this, right,

1137
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: this like food writer was accused of flying about her

1138
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 1: race and then she she was like, no, I've always

1139
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: been open about being white. But then she spent like

1140
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: forty eight hours like tweeting about how she was white,

1141
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 1: and everyone's like I was like, we get Like it

1142
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 1: was literally like, okay, I'm sorry this person said this

1143
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 1: about you was uncalled for, but you also don't need

1144
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 1: to spend forty eight hours being like I have always

1145
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: been out but about being why. So that's why I hesitated,

1146
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: because I was like, yes, it would be exciting, anything

1147
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: would be exciting in terms of fighting out something of

1148
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 1: my heritage. But I also can't be one of those

1149
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: people that then discovers it and then suddenly it's like

1150
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 1: holding a press conference where he identify his blood. Oh

1151
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: my god, that would be so huge free though, Yeah,

1152
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: I mean, well, you know, I mean, for me, one

1153
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 1: of the most glamorous people is someone who is half Greek,

1154
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 1: half black. Um Molina Matukas oh Mollina, because it's half

1155
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: Greek half flack. I guess that makes sense with mud.

1156
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there is. I'm sure it's not

1157
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 1: exactly fifty fifty. But in my mind one of her

1158
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:35,680
Speaker 1: parents is mostly black and one of her parents is

1159
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 1: mostly Greek or something, So that's I have the Greek like,

1160
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 1: has Greek society really taking her on, like it's Queen

1161
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: and Slin like played in all the movies. I mean,

1162
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: I don't know it's the new because remember how my

1163
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 1: big fat Greek wedding is. Yes, in Greece, it's like

1164
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: she is a goddess. Well, I'll see this. I don't

1165
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 1: think Molina is at me of our Dallars level in

1166
01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 1: terms of reception from the Greek community. Um, I personally spearhead.

1167
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: You should spearheaded with the Greek community. You go back

1168
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,560
Speaker 1: often like guys, we are really in the middle of

1169
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: the culture right now. No, it's it's mind. New thing

1170
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 1: is yeah, mine, new thing is that Queen and Slim

1171
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 1: is a Greek movie tragedy. Yeah that's true. It's true.

1172
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, film corners back. Um, wait, we have

1173
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:30,680
Speaker 1: to do our finals, like, okay, fine, this is by

1174
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: far our longest. This is an I love it. Wait

1175
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 1: okay j Our final segment is called Shoutouts, and it

1176
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: is a tribute to one of the richest and most

1177
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 1: kind of productive parts of straight culture, which is the

1178
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,639
Speaker 1: radio shout out. Imagine you're at TRL giving a shout

1179
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 1: out to your boys and girls back home, um or

1180
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 1: calling it. We'll Sam and I will do them first

1181
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 1: and then and then you can go. So, um, you

1182
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 1: know what, Sam, I'll this is truly UM. I have

1183
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:02,600
Speaker 1: nothing prepared, but I'm I'm going to go for it.

1184
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: Are you ready? Yes, I'm ready. What's up, listeners. I

1185
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,759
Speaker 1: want to give a quick shout out to my younger self.

1186
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about you a lot during this episode,

1187
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 1: and honey, you really were not working with much, but

1188
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 1: you made it work. And now I'm out of place

1189
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 1: where I'm maybe only six irredeemable and that is iconic

1190
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 1: and not a lot of people can say that. And

1191
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 1: I will keep working to make you proud, Um, and

1192
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 1: I will, in your honor stop bullying people unintentionally. Um.

1193
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 1: That was amazing. And that's also like the end of

1194
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 1: every drag Race season, holding up the image of your

1195
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 1: younger self. That's exactly what that was. Um okay, um,

1196
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: what's up listeners. UM. I just want to give a

1197
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 1: huge shout out to my blind optimism. I am, you know,

1198
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 1: in one of the darkest times of my life, and

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01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,640
Speaker 1: you know what, the sun was shining today and I

1200
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 1: was like, whatever's gonna be fine? Like, I can't help

1201
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 1: but think this summer is gonna rule. Spring is gonna

1202
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 1: pop off soon, We're all gonna be vaccinated and making out.

1203
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: I simply cannot wait. I think, money, friendship, love, everything

1204
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 1: is gonna be um flowing everything coming about that. So

1205
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 1: I love you, my blind optimism. I've never been wrong before. Yeah,

1206
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 1: I do my shout out. I do have to say

1207
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,640
Speaker 1: that last night I cried while watching We Did you Know?

1208
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 1: Like I went down a YouTube hole with my roommate

1209
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 1: and my friend Moses and I we we got on

1210
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 1: Glee and I was like, happy that ever set Roses

1211
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: Turn from Glee? Um, and they were like no, and

1212
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: I who sings it? Kurt does And it's Kurt's turn

1213
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 1: because it's about him. Actually this is important. Actually I'm

1214
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: gonna give my shout out to this. Um okay, um,

1215
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,679
Speaker 1: hey guys, um, this is Jamio Harris here. I really

1216
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: want to give a shout out to multiple things today,

1217
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: fair stuff. I want to even shout out to Kurt

1218
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:14,719
Speaker 1: from Glue for living free in his subconscious and telling

1219
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 1: his dad through the beauty of Sondheim and the song

1220
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:22,640
Speaker 1: Roses Turn that like maybe there was no way for

1221
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 1: him to hide the fact that he was queer, and

1222
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: maybe it was time for Kurt to take center stage

1223
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 1: unlike Rachel Berry and actually seeing from his heart. Um

1224
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 1: that was. And again I watched the last Sunday and

1225
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 1: maybe me cry. Second up, I'm gonna give a shout

1226
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 1: out to my like unerring sense of self preservation. Um,

1227
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 1: I am a Slytherin, and I have to recognize that

1228
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 1: being a Slytherin is the reason why I'm on a

1229
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 1: podcast right now, is the reason I could afford my

1230
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 1: rent right now, and it's the reason I didn't die

1231
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 1: in Martins or Virginia. And although I hurt people along

1232
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 1: the way, I am Gilder. That part of me existed, um,

1233
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 1: because it got me here and able to apologize. I'm wow.

1234
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 1: Um yeah, it's very powerful. And and the gleek you're

1235
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 1: also holding your mic right up to your mouth and

1236
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 1: it was distorting the sound. I mean, death grips found dead.

1237
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I had to hold the mic. Well,

1238
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 1: Jeremy found it, like and I think this is a

1239
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 1: beautiful episode. It's so good. Thank you guys. So it

1240
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:32,959
Speaker 1: sounds crazy crazy, but it'll be good. It'll be good. Um,

1241
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 1: Jeremy truly what a what an absolute delight. Yeah, thank

1242
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 1: you so much for doing the pod. Thank you guys

1243
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 1: for having me. Okay, I'm gonna go, my friends, how

1244
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 1: do you feel? I feel good.