Speaker 1: The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
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Speaker 1: official Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Mickey Spagnola, and we're finally back almost all of
Speaker 1: us here on Mick Shots in the s WBC podcast
Speaker 1: studio at the Star on this Monday. Mickey Spagnola, Everson
Speaker 1: Walls joins me. Bill Jones off on his CBS eleven assignment.
Speaker 1: Today's Landry Award Day for the high schools, and he's
Speaker 1: busy doing all those things right, doing interviews. So Everson,
Speaker 1: I will try to hang in here. It seems like
Speaker 1: we haven't talked in a week. Well, yeah, it's almost
Speaker 1: that way, right. Yeah, you and I talked though. We
Speaker 1: talked on Friday. Yeah, I was trying to see if
Speaker 1: we can get the show going, and and that was
Speaker 1: good because I was driving at the time, so that
Speaker 1: took up some time. Somebody said, what do you do
Speaker 1: all the time when you're driving? I said, I call friends. No,
Speaker 1: you were trying to Yeah, you were trying to make
Speaker 1: us do your time with you. That's right. We can't
Speaker 1: do your drive with you. So yeah, that's why the
Speaker 1: show would not have worked. I was out of town.
Speaker 1: You were out of the town. The last time we
Speaker 1: had the show was Wednesday. Yeah, it's Monday, right. We
Speaker 1: weren't ready for that. No, yeah, yeah, wait. The last
Speaker 1: time I had the show was Tuesday. Oh, it was Tuesday.
Speaker 1: It was Tuesday. We had to hurry up. When I
Speaker 1: picked the clicks, we had no idea. How do we do?
Speaker 1: I did? Okay, let me see I have I had
Speaker 1: thirty one way I'm looking through. I would have been
Speaker 1: close if not for the Big Fat Man returning an intercept.
Speaker 1: He called himself it was the big Fat Man's dream, right,
Speaker 1: interception returned for a touchdown, which, by the way, that
Speaker 1: hadn't happened by a Cowboys defensive lineman since Jim Jeff
Speaker 1: Coach tell me no, nineteen ninety nine, Greg Ellis, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, Jeff Jeff Jeff cot rumbled one back
Speaker 1: and then back in the day, Larry Cole used to
Speaker 1: always do pick sixes against the way at that time,
Speaker 1: the Washington then Redskins he did, I believe consecutive years
Speaker 1: had one he returned pick six. It was something crazy
Speaker 1: like that. Guy. I was so young then, of course,
Speaker 1: so it was Tuesday. So it was Tuesday. So what
Speaker 1: do we got here? Here are we had held on?
Speaker 1: Here's what we had for pick to click? I had
Speaker 1: now Bill had sixteen thirteen and d Law was going
Speaker 1: to be his pick to click. You had, no. I
Speaker 1: had Cowboys twenty four to sixteen. That's pretty good. Not close.
Speaker 1: Just look at that, okay, and I had Dak over
Speaker 1: three hundred yards real close because he didn't get it,
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't he didn't get it. And you
Speaker 1: had twenty eight to twenty twenty three. I can't read
Speaker 1: my chicken scratch and Gallup was your pick to click.
Speaker 1: So we didn't do so well on we put us
Speaker 1: all together. We did ball five catchers. Yes he did, Yes, Yes,
Speaker 1: Dak did well except for the last. We could definitely
Speaker 1: get into this. His last three possessions. I think he
Speaker 1: must have gone and taken to hit us some weed
Speaker 1: or something. Man. That was that was the most confusing
Speaker 1: last three possessions I've seen, especially after seeing his excellence,
Speaker 1: uh product to that. Yeah, just just putting them in there,
Speaker 1: especially that one throw that went to like nobody. That
Speaker 1: was a couple of those, right, And I don't know
Speaker 1: if receivers or they weren't on the same page. I
Speaker 1: have seen him bark at more receiver is now since
Speaker 1: out this whole three game stretch of working with young guys,
Speaker 1: working with side, working with Brown and uh and and
Speaker 1: you know, I think he kind of he didn't like
Speaker 1: doing that. He doesn't like doing that. So other than
Speaker 1: our picks, your thoughts on winning that game on Thursday
Speaker 1: night in New Orleans twenty seven seventeen. Okay, here's what
Speaker 1: I here's I see when I when I listen, I
Speaker 1: listened too much sports talk radio. I used to be
Speaker 1: good at not listening to that crap, But since we're
Speaker 1: part of that now, then I feel like I need to.
Speaker 1: And the more educated part of it. Yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 1: are the more educated part of I don't know what
Speaker 1: the heck they're talking about out there in the streets,
Speaker 1: but we always worry about how we went right. You know,
Speaker 1: we gotta be perfect. Everything's you know, I'm nit picking
Speaker 1: about the last three series. When he's making ceedee lamb, right,
Speaker 1: Dak is making ceedee lamb. Catch him? You know, I mean,
Speaker 1: you either have no choice but to catch stuck inside
Speaker 1: and stuck like any inside. I was. I was amazed
Speaker 1: at that. And it wasn't like he was going for
Speaker 1: the home run. He was taking what they give him,
Speaker 1: which is how you got to play on the road,
Speaker 1: especially against a decent more than decent defensive team with
Speaker 1: the Saints which came in and number three against the
Speaker 1: run by the Let's look at the last three Super
Speaker 1: Bowl seasons we've had, of course with the Eigman teams
Speaker 1: of the Triplets and Michael Irvin, Emmy Smith, the defense
Speaker 1: that we had at the time, including Dion and Charles Haley,
Speaker 1: Ken Norton Junior. This is you know, they always wont ugly.
Speaker 1: They always won ugly, and no one had any complaints.
Speaker 1: There were times when you know, you might try, might
Speaker 1: throw for two D fifteen yards and they but they
Speaker 1: were good to fifteen and you had Emmy doing this thing.
Speaker 1: We were riding. We were riding that Emmy Smith wave,
Speaker 1: were riding that train, and we were okay with that defense.
Speaker 1: Every once in a a while give up something stupid, but
Speaker 1: overall they had the game in the bag. Right. This
Speaker 1: is how this game was. And and when you think
Speaker 1: of all the things that were piled up against him
Speaker 1: going into that game, right, two game losing streak, had
Speaker 1: lost three of the last four the stadium, right in
Speaker 1: the NFL. And then you had to deal with COVID
Speaker 1: last week. So they really didn't They had like maybe
Speaker 1: one full practice, uh, losing players, losing the coaching staff.
Speaker 1: And and this was what when I did my radio
Speaker 1: segment on Friday, which by the way, I did stop
Speaker 1: to do it. I quit driving seventy five miles an hour,
Speaker 1: right you hit. I got before that actually because I
Speaker 1: hadn't got past the and I made those guys laugh.
Speaker 1: So I it was time to pull off. And it
Speaker 1: was the Donaldsonville exit and I said, okay, this is
Speaker 1: poetic justice because that's my dad's hometown. Wow. Right, that's
Speaker 1: where he grew up, right, And that's the one I
Speaker 1: was at when I pulled over, right. Uh. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I was saying, look at all the things. They were No.
Speaker 1: Neither of the offensive line coaches, right, Uh, their offensive
Speaker 1: assistant Scott Tolzine, he was out with COVID. Two of
Speaker 1: the three strength and conditioning coaches were out with COVID
Speaker 1: for that game, and all three of them during the
Speaker 1: week when they didn't they didn't open the weight room,
Speaker 1: virtual meetings. You don't have your head coach all this
Speaker 1: going against him and playing the third game in twelve days. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's the main thing. And this was this was a
Speaker 1: tired I think team maybe mentally too. And they won.
Speaker 1: And so my lead, and I'm glad you brought it up,
Speaker 1: was there's nothing wrong with an ugly win. And I
Speaker 1: went back and you know, but you should because you
Speaker 1: probably know what I'm going to write. So anyway, my
Speaker 1: point was, and I brought this up in my column,
Speaker 1: I said. In nineteen eighty three, the Chicago White Sox
Speaker 1: won the the Central Division, time team Central Division and
Speaker 1: qualified for the American League playoffs for the first time
Speaker 1: since nineteen fifty nine. And about the middle of the season,
Speaker 1: and by the way, they ended up winning ninety nine
Speaker 1: games and had a twenty game lead on the second
Speaker 1: place team. Right the middle of the season, the Rangers
Speaker 1: manager Doug Raider said that team wins ugly. Well guess what.
Speaker 1: That became their battle cry. And I found look what
Speaker 1: I found here, Chris, And I don't know if you
Speaker 1: winning ugly, how old is that thing? Nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 1: It's yellow, right, Oh, yes it is. It's a little
Speaker 1: dingy if you can't see. And that became their battle
Speaker 1: cry and they had no problems winning ugly, like you know,
Speaker 1: get a walk, a bunt, base hit, a walk, a bunt,
Speaker 1: a steel, a sacrifice flight, whatever it took to win, right,
Speaker 1: and they that was their battle cry. And that's when
Speaker 1: that first started winning ugly. But when you look at
Speaker 1: this team, let's just remember how young it is. This
Speaker 1: extremely young team. A veteran quarterback, what is he twenty seven?
Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about trying to lead a team
Speaker 1: that can be somewhat temperamental. Dadn't know what it's like
Speaker 1: to play this three game stretch. You know, when you
Speaker 1: when you look at the veterans on this team, a
Speaker 1: lot of them are getting nearly as much playing time
Speaker 1: as the younger guys who don't know what it's like
Speaker 1: to play through this. They were probably second teamers last
Speaker 1: year on another team last year. Now they're going through
Speaker 1: this stretch. This was a very unique stretch that's only
Speaker 1: unique to the Dallas Cowboys themselves and whoever their opponents are.
Speaker 1: So you got to look at this as a win,
Speaker 1: just win, you know what I mean. Or win is
Speaker 1: a win, and we, like I said, we can complain
Speaker 1: all we want. I'd rather look at the good things
Speaker 1: that we did. How many interceptions do we have for
Speaker 1: four interset? And who got one of them? Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: my band got one of them? So now that's nine.
Speaker 1: That's nine. So yeah, that's nineteen eighty five. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: five games. Yeah that was Yeah, that was one of
Speaker 1: my boyshears. So now that was that. That's something that
Speaker 1: I can still brag about. And you know what, who
Speaker 1: he hasn't caught yet? Right meyl renfrol Right had ten,
Speaker 1: had ten. So let's not forget it. And as my
Speaker 1: ego gets blown up as this goes on, let's not
Speaker 1: forget man the guy that I always idolized and had
Speaker 1: to catch up to myself. I think the last regular
Speaker 1: season game against the Philadelphia Eagles, I broke the record.
Speaker 1: I think it was the last game against Philadelphia. So
Speaker 1: you're looking at a guy all goddon before Dion uh
Speaker 1: His long jump was was Olympic quality, fine speed was
Speaker 1: was was unmatched by any other defensive back. And he
Speaker 1: was just a He had all of that with instincts.
Speaker 1: He didn't just come up on something because he has speed,
Speaker 1: you know. He was kind of like Dion Toway. Not
Speaker 1: only did he know where you were going already, he's
Speaker 1: gonna beat you there. And so those are the kind
Speaker 1: of players that were just unbeatable. So here you got
Speaker 1: ten interceptions. That digs. That's his next hurdle and I've
Speaker 1: been missing him because he hadn't gotten more. Was in
Speaker 1: the last four games it had been. Now he well,
Speaker 1: I can't think it's les last three games. He stuck
Speaker 1: on it, and that's kind of how I was. I
Speaker 1: believe after the I think it was the Dolphins game
Speaker 1: of the Vams game in eighty one for a while. Man,
Speaker 1: he just gotta play some solid ball, you know. And
Speaker 1: that's what he was doing. Because they had an under
Speaker 1: over coverage on that. He was the under guy and
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill didn't read it because he thought he was
Speaker 1: lobbing one to a wide open guy and he was
Speaker 1: trailing underneath and was able to pick it off. So
Speaker 1: he became one of four players in the NFL since
Speaker 1: twenty ten to have at least nine interceptions. The most
Speaker 1: was Xavian Howard ten I believe last year, last year
Speaker 1: also Texas. Also J. C. Jackson had nine last year,
Speaker 1: and then Tim Jennings I think it was two thousand
Speaker 1: and ten, eleven somewhere in there had nine. See, they
Speaker 1: don't want to go too far back because I would
Speaker 1: call Mark, call you. Yeah, there was a lot of guys.
Speaker 1: There was a there was a list this log of
Speaker 1: had nine. Nine. Yeah. So so yeah, so anyway, four
Speaker 1: interceptions U pick six by the big guy going twenty
Speaker 1: nine yards to seal the game that was still in doubt.
Speaker 1: Right at some point, you got to win these games,
Speaker 1: you know. I keep saying that, and no one seems
Speaker 1: to believe it. Uh. Now we'll go four written. We'll
Speaker 1: see if the things that everybody was upset about, you know,
Speaker 1: was that game or they've got big problems, but it
Speaker 1: was a win. Uh. They're eight and four with a
Speaker 1: two game lead in the NFC East, and there's only
Speaker 1: I think, if I remember correctly, two teams that have
Speaker 1: a better record than them in the NFC. I think
Speaker 1: in the NFL the Packers in the car and the Cardinals,
Speaker 1: right everybody else right in the NFL and in the NFL.
Speaker 1: So eight and four, Uh, my guess is had had
Speaker 1: they won eight games last year, they would have won
Speaker 1: the NFC East, And now they got five games to go, right,
Speaker 1: so progress, right, and and again they can't win the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl in week thirteen. You got to play this
Speaker 1: thing out. Uh, And well it's always sounds so easy
Speaker 1: to criticize because we're not out there playing. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: most of the people doing the says they hadn't he
Speaker 1: ever played ball in their lives, but they know what
Speaker 1: it looked, what good ball looks like, so therefore they
Speaker 1: think they're experts. And it didn't look good, but it
Speaker 1: was a victory. It was after all that. Right. It's
Speaker 1: like I tried to explain the guys all week long,
Speaker 1: what did we talk about, Well, how's it going to
Speaker 1: affect this team that Mike McCarthy's not there as the
Speaker 1: head coach. How's it going to affect this team that
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn has to do both manage the game as
Speaker 1: the head coach but also called the defense and not
Speaker 1: from up above where he's used to doing it on
Speaker 1: the sideline. Right, what's it going to be like when
Speaker 1: they come off the field on offense, who's going to
Speaker 1: talk to the offensive line because neither of the offensive
Speaker 1: line coaches or if it was so easy to just
Speaker 1: switch hats like that, to just change hats and wear
Speaker 1: different hats, then the greatest defensive coordinators are offensive coordinators
Speaker 1: that have gotten head coaching jobs. Then they should have
Speaker 1: automatically been Super Bowl winners right right off the bat.
Speaker 1: Most the times it does not work out. And so
Speaker 1: that's the difficulty that you're talking about facing being an
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. Defensive coordinators totally difference from being a head coach.
Speaker 1: Everyone can't do that. And it's not like you just
Speaker 1: roll it out there and say, Okay, you just put
Speaker 1: one coach downstairs and another coach upstairs and that's it. No,
Speaker 1: it's about being comfortable and where you are the best
Speaker 1: at doing your job. Dan Quinn's better at being a
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator when he's up in the booth, right, And
Speaker 1: that's just all it is. You can't be that same
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator when you're not using your own eyes and
Speaker 1: ears to see from upstairs. And you basically had Ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb coming back was the second he missed the game
Speaker 1: and a half missed the game and a half Amari Cooper.
Speaker 1: Now Cooper ends up playing, and we said that he
Speaker 1: would play, but not as he only played twenty four snaps,
Speaker 1: but he had one huge catch, right, Lamb ended up
Speaker 1: with sixty two out of seventy snaps. He about played,
Speaker 1: uh the entire game. Um, and punts didn't Initially yes,
Speaker 1: he did, he didn't have Cedric Wilson was huge basically
Speaker 1: that fourth, fourth, three, right, and that's why he was
Speaker 1: returning those initial puts. Uh. And then they put digs
Speaker 1: back for the one boy. When it started, it looked
Speaker 1: good and then it just kind of right. That was
Speaker 1: the twelve yards though, right. Well, exactly, so they were
Speaker 1: up against a whole bunch. DeMarcus Lawrence playing for the
Speaker 1: first time since the season opener. They had a pitch
Speaker 1: count on him, and I remember asking him after the game, Um,
Speaker 1: so did you play more than the pitch count? He goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't counting, but I got a feeling I did well.
Speaker 1: He played thirty seven snaps, but you know what they were,
Speaker 1: thirty seven? Really he was impactful, Yeah, really impactful snaps.
Speaker 1: You're you're exactly right. Uh so when you look at
Speaker 1: all that what they were facing, uh, and a quarterback
Speaker 1: that would rather run the ball than throw it. You know,
Speaker 1: there was a couple of plays where I don't know
Speaker 1: if they were they were third downs, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: what did they think they were gonna do? He's gonna
Speaker 1: run the ball, He's not throwing it. I think his
Speaker 1: best running play is to actually attempt to pass and
Speaker 1: then take off. That's that's when he's his most dangerous
Speaker 1: because everything is spread it out for him. At Plus,
Speaker 1: they were fortunate he sprained his middle finger on his
Speaker 1: throwing hand. He had a splint on it. Well, to
Speaker 1: say fortunate is one thing. He was fortunate to get
Speaker 1: out of there sometimes, right, So yeah, to say that
Speaker 1: he's fortunate to be able to use his hand because
Speaker 1: the pressure was coming. It wasn't just like it was
Speaker 1: the one time we had pressure he happened to be
Speaker 1: throwing the ball. No, he was under duress almost the
Speaker 1: entire game. So when I talk about the team, some
Speaker 1: of my favorite gut teams, pittsburghs Ravens, you know how
Speaker 1: they win games under these weird conditions and you're like,
Speaker 1: you know how they pull that off. This wasn't quite
Speaker 1: that for the Cowboys, but you definitely had some adverse
Speaker 1: conditions that could have easily led two excuses to lose
Speaker 1: this ball game. So that's how I feel like we
Speaker 1: matured this week. The Cowboys had two sacks, they had
Speaker 1: six tackles for losses, they had six quarterback hits. But
Speaker 1: this was the key one passes defense. They had nine
Speaker 1: right nine, So yeah, it wasn't pretty offensively, I get it.
Speaker 1: They were two of thirteen on third down conversion. Seven
Speaker 1: of their fourteen possessions were three and outs, and it
Speaker 1: you know, basically, they scored twenty points as a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, if you look at it in the last
Speaker 1: in four of those last six games, they've scored twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen nine and then twenty seven, but really twenty on offense.
Speaker 1: And after the a five and one start, they've gone
Speaker 1: three and three. So that average over those four games
Speaker 1: I just mentioned eighteen points a game, and that's with
Speaker 1: the twenty seven and the problem we have with that.
Speaker 1: What goes along with that on both sides is the
Speaker 1: running game. We are not able to run and support
Speaker 1: our passing game, and we are not able to stop
Speaker 1: the run either, which keeps our offense off the field, right,
Speaker 1: and that'll be big both of those in this next
Speaker 1: game against Washington. We're just getting the customed to it.
Speaker 1: That's what we're doing. We're getting ready for that. So
Speaker 1: the totals, when you look at totals, you know, running
Speaker 1: the ball, they were twenty four for one forty six,
Speaker 1: but two of those runs were ninety one yards a
Speaker 1: fifty eight yard touchdown run by Tony Pollard, and then
Speaker 1: they called the task play to Cede lamb or run
Speaker 1: instead of a catch and that was thirty three yards.
Speaker 1: So I figured out they were twenty two for nine
Speaker 1: d one or two and a half yards per carry. Well,
Speaker 1: now let's let's remember I talked about this when we
Speaker 1: played against the Bears for the sixth defense. Tom Landry
Speaker 1: always talked about it's gonna be tough, guys. There's gonna
Speaker 1: be many plays where you get zero or minus yardage,
Speaker 1: but you have to look for the break. The break
Speaker 1: is gonna come, but you gotta continue to do your job.
Speaker 1: And it's like I talked about with those stubborn teams,
Speaker 1: we have to remain stubborn. We can't just give up
Speaker 1: on the run just because they stop it. Then we'd
Speaker 1: be like Seattle against New England and the Super Bowl. Oh,
Speaker 1: we'll stacked up the line of scrimmage. We can't. We
Speaker 1: can't think about running the ball on third and inches
Speaker 1: or third and goal. You know, let's just throw the ball. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what happened in Malcolm. Butler's a hero. So just
Speaker 1: do what you're supposed to do. Be stubborn. Who That's
Speaker 1: what football is about, right, Who is the most stubborn?
Speaker 1: They're the ones that wins. And then you break one
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, it's like, oh, they go.
Speaker 1: So this game to me was more about plays than
Speaker 1: consistently moving the football and even defensively stopping consistently the
Speaker 1: Saints and they made plays and we will talk about
Speaker 1: some of those plays and next here on Mick Shots
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Speaker 1: All right, we returned here on Mick Shots. Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola. Bill Jones is away on CBS a living assignment.
Speaker 1: This is for you, William. As we even do the
Speaker 1: victory song, we may have to play it coming back
Speaker 1: from the next It's well, I told you it's been
Speaker 1: a while since we've done The dark Man Show. Always
Speaker 1: depending on Chris. So we left off talking about big
Speaker 1: plays and um, I don't know about you, but for me, yeah,
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard's fifty eight yard touchdown run. Right. We mentioned
Speaker 1: to Marie Cooper the forty one yard catch Carlos Watkins
Speaker 1: interception returned for a touchdown. But to me, the play
Speaker 1: of the game was Michael Parsons on third and two
Speaker 1: from the Cowboys twenty six yard line. The game was
Speaker 1: twenty to ten at that time, and we were going
Speaker 1: into the first play of the fourth quarter, first play
Speaker 1: of the fourth quarter, and they're going to score something there, right,
Speaker 1: They're at the twenty six third and two, and for
Speaker 1: some reason, when you always wonder why people call plays
Speaker 1: that they did, the Saints decided they were gonna throw
Speaker 1: while Taysom Hill was running the ball eleven times for
Speaker 1: one hundred and one yards, right, and they called the
Speaker 1: pass play and Micah Parsons broke through, and I don't
Speaker 1: think Taysom Hill figured out how sudden this kid plays
Speaker 1: because he thought he was going to run away from him,
Speaker 1: and the next thing you know, he sacks him for
Speaker 1: not only a sack, but eleven yard loss, took him
Speaker 1: out of at least a field goal range, right and
Speaker 1: potentially getting a first down and scoring a touchdown, and
Speaker 1: not suddenly it's twenty seventeen. Right. He was like a shark,
Speaker 1: right when when the shark comes at you, as it
Speaker 1: gets closer, it gets faster faster, And that's what he did.
Speaker 1: It's like because you first you're like, oh crap, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, he comes because you know what's coming.
Speaker 1: But then there's the realization of just how much space
Speaker 1: has closed in the short amount of time. And so
Speaker 1: now you're you're you're not just surprised, now you're alarmed
Speaker 1: because you could actually lose the ball because others why
Speaker 1: then you're saying, oh, s right, right, And so now
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out what not. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to salvage the play. I'm trying to protect the ball now.
Speaker 1: And there are times when that usually comes out, but
Speaker 1: it was amazing that Hill could just even hold on
Speaker 1: to it. Dan Quinn early when he was talking about
Speaker 1: the attributes of Michael Parsons, he said, he is so sudden,
Speaker 1: and I thought, that's the that's it. He's sudden. He
Speaker 1: just all of a sudden, he's on top of you, right,
Speaker 1: And so to me, that play right there kind of
Speaker 1: preserved the Cowboys lead. Uh, and you know they kind
Speaker 1: of cling clung on, cling on, clung on, Yeah, clung
Speaker 1: on until they got to the interception, which was funny
Speaker 1: because when they got the interception, it was, you know,
Speaker 1: several minutes left in the game. So I'm packing up
Speaker 1: to go down because previously, although they speeded it up,
Speaker 1: maybe it's because it's Caesar's Superdome. The elevator to the
Speaker 1: press box was the slowest elevator in the United States.
Speaker 1: So I'm going, okay, I better go down, right. So
Speaker 1: I go down, and by time I get on the field,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys got the ball and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: what the hell happened? And Chris goes, well, they kicked off.
Speaker 1: I know what you mean, they kicked off. I didn't
Speaker 1: see they had scored the touchdown to get to seventeen, right, um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, So to me, that play right there was huge,
Speaker 1: forcing them the punt from their thirty seven yard line.
Speaker 1: Let's think about this and brought it up. We knew
Speaker 1: it every game. He's almost the fastest person on the
Speaker 1: field in every game. Good point. That's that's crazy when
Speaker 1: when when you think about that, it's just this is
Speaker 1: a linebacker. This is two hundred and forty fifty pounds,
Speaker 1: almost fifty. I think they officially put him at two
Speaker 1: forty six. And he doesn't even look like it. No,
Speaker 1: and that's scary as well. So it's almost like watching uh,
Speaker 1: the running back from the tightness. It's almost like David
Speaker 1: watching David Himmy, it's that amazing. Could you imagine a
Speaker 1: matchup between those two. I just thought about that. That
Speaker 1: would be crazy. I still want him to put the
Speaker 1: ball in his hands. They just think, well, he's on
Speaker 1: punt coverage, right, Uh, maybe he can pick one other right.
Speaker 1: As Fossil has pointed out, he wants to return punts,
Speaker 1: I mean kickoffs. He wants them. He wants to return kickoffs,
Speaker 1: and he goes, no, will will like to look I
Speaker 1: don't even like that. Look, I don't like that. All
Speaker 1: I know is and I mentioned this before on the show. Franklin,
Speaker 1: the head coach at Penn State, had said during the
Speaker 1: draft that had Michael Parsons played that that COVID year,
Speaker 1: that he was going to have him return kickoffs at
Speaker 1: Penn State because he was that good of all, and
Speaker 1: he was, yeah, that was he recruited as a running back. No,
Speaker 1: I think they recruited him as a defensive end and
Speaker 1: then they turned him into he's got too much speed
Speaker 1: to play defensive end linebacker. He's more free to go
Speaker 1: and do different things. Right, and now the fact that
Speaker 1: you've got DeMarcus Lawrence back, it looks like Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: is going to be back. Okay, so now you got
Speaker 1: your defensive ends. You know, you're these are things that
Speaker 1: that is no one ever talks about that they do
Speaker 1: all during the week, but when the game happens and
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, well, well that is, and I'm talking
Speaker 1: about these guys that really they're not they don't have
Speaker 1: any any credibility necessarily as really people that no sports.
Speaker 1: They're just good at talking sports. And so when you
Speaker 1: think about that, you're talking about though, really they're just
Speaker 1: glorified fans. But what I want them to see is
Speaker 1: you're so biased against the Cowboys in what they do
Speaker 1: and how they do it. You say, I Cowboys should
Speaker 1: win this game, but you say that hoping they lose,
Speaker 1: so as you can criticize they don't believe. They don't
Speaker 1: think they should win it because of any particular formula.
Speaker 1: They just think they should win it because they see
Speaker 1: all the talent on the team. Well, what you see
Speaker 1: is we had the Gregories out. We haven't played with
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence. What you see is what we have on
Speaker 1: the field. But what are we missing? And when that
Speaker 1: depth is affected, you got new guys playing, You've got
Speaker 1: other guys playing longer than they should. Now that five
Speaker 1: and one, it's not as easy to achieve the next
Speaker 1: six games. And that's what we're dealing with. And so
Speaker 1: that's why you need to have gutsy wins. You need
Speaker 1: to have coaches that understand that, which I believe our
Speaker 1: coaches and our veteran players understand that this is an
Speaker 1: extremely rare stretch of games, these three games. Now, how
Speaker 1: we come out of this, to me, that's going to
Speaker 1: tell how how we're going to go, how we're going
Speaker 1: to to go into the playoffs. Right, it's how we
Speaker 1: come out of this. And I love the challenge and
Speaker 1: we could talk about it later on the NFC East
Speaker 1: Challenge that's coming up for us right now. I think
Speaker 1: it's perfect timing for us to show just what we
Speaker 1: can do. And going back to Parsons, so talking about
Speaker 1: that was his tenth sack, and they're thirteen NFL rookies
Speaker 1: with ten plus sacks in a season. The Cowboys rookie
Speaker 1: record sixteen games was was eight by where and then
Speaker 1: and then overall, Harvey Martin and Willie Towns had I
Speaker 1: believe it was nine, one in seventy three and the
Speaker 1: other one in nineteen sixty six. Those were their rookie years.
Speaker 1: So yeah, what he's done has been an awfully remarkable
Speaker 1: and not playing defensive end full time, he did it
Speaker 1: kind of a fill in guy for what three three
Speaker 1: games maybe, And now he's back at linebacker and and
Speaker 1: I should have memorized this, but here's his line in
Speaker 1: the game, five combined tackles, one sack, one tackle for
Speaker 1: a loss, two quarterback hits, and he had that pass
Speaker 1: covered downfield that ended up getting deflected and intercepted by Curse. Right,
Speaker 1: that was a great play overall, He'll have a pass
Speaker 1: by the way, Yes, he was gonna lay that thing
Speaker 1: in there. Yeahs now, yeah, he ain't getting it there.
Speaker 1: And for Jaylon, I mean he had digs there. Who
Speaker 1: if he wasn't not a bounce, he probably would have
Speaker 1: reached for it. And of course with Jaylon coach coming
Speaker 1: up with such a heads up play, these young men
Speaker 1: give up place, of course they do, but all their
Speaker 1: minds and their eyes are always on the quarterback and
Speaker 1: they seem to always be ready to make not just
Speaker 1: a good play, but an amazing play. They're not just
Speaker 1: satisfied with the knockdown. They're going for the great play.
Speaker 1: That's what happens when you have a guy like Parsons
Speaker 1: and you have a guy like j. N. Curse And
Speaker 1: let's let's just be real. He has the same mentality
Speaker 1: as any other player on this defense, no more, no less,
Speaker 1: And that's what I like about it. We love Parstons
Speaker 1: and how he approaches the game, but he's not the
Speaker 1: only one that approaches it in that manner. And you
Speaker 1: can see it on the field because Curses numbers are
Speaker 1: always high as Parsons. Here's how high they were in
Speaker 1: this game. Nine tackles, eight of those solo, two tackles
Speaker 1: for losses, an interception, a pass defense, and I don't know.
Speaker 1: The first fumble was Anthony Brown, who led him with
Speaker 1: ten tackles. By the way, Anthony Brown, Yes, So here
Speaker 1: before we go to break, I noticed what the Saints
Speaker 1: were doing with the Cowboys playing so much man. They
Speaker 1: were playing these tight bunch for me with their receivers
Speaker 1: and then they're crisscrossing and that's how they got him
Speaker 1: on that one place. So what is the technique for
Speaker 1: a cornerback when you've got these guys and do you
Speaker 1: get away from playing man or do you just have
Speaker 1: to fight through because it's not a pick. They're they're
Speaker 1: actually using your other defender to pick off their teammates. Well,
Speaker 1: you have to coordinate. You can't have both guys on.
Speaker 1: You have to have one guy off, one guy on.
Speaker 1: If you can have two guys off, then make sure
Speaker 1: that the priority is the down and distance. If you're
Speaker 1: gonna if you're gonna play soft on someone, you don't
Speaker 1: play soft on the guy going towards the end zone.
Speaker 1: He play soft on the guy that wants to the
Speaker 1: shortest route, and then you react up with so if
Speaker 1: you're playing both off, it's almost like a zone technique,
Speaker 1: but you're just end and out on two receivers. To me,
Speaker 1: the best way to go, one guy up, one guy off.
Speaker 1: You take care of him. He can't wherever he goes,
Speaker 1: he goes you. You're gonna stop him from picking off
Speaker 1: my defensive back, my fellow defensive back, because he's off
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, and that gives him a chance
Speaker 1: to read. Brown was the most susceptible from the from
Speaker 1: the lineup, from the alignment, and from the lineup. He
Speaker 1: should have known that that is a possibility. There's no
Speaker 1: way you should get up. All of you guys get
Speaker 1: up and the jam technique when you have a bunch formation.
Speaker 1: That was a mistake from the beginning. So I don't
Speaker 1: know why Brown even got up there in the first place.
Speaker 1: Number two, every route that's hits you big, it's been inside, yes,
Speaker 1: So just lineup off and inside. Let them have the sideline. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's a it's an eight ten yard route. You line up,
Speaker 1: you play another down as opposed to a quick six
Speaker 1: because if you don't get pressure and they've got that
Speaker 1: much time to run from the right side of the formation.
Speaker 1: Then we saw it last week with the Shawan Jackson right. Yes,
Speaker 1: he goes all the way to the left side. That
Speaker 1: makes a catch when you when you have a bunch formation.
Speaker 1: Let's make sure we designate right away. You go up
Speaker 1: on the lava screams, I'm off, you got your man,
Speaker 1: I got my I'll play off of you. There you go.
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Speaker 1: the show. Dan Quinn getting a victory. Yes, it's been
Speaker 1: a while since he's had a head because I think
Speaker 1: they started off oh in five last year in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: That's why he ended up getting fired. But he's he's
Speaker 1: he's kind of closing a few loops here. He right,
Speaker 1: came back and beat uh Atlanta Bill Belichick. Oh yeah, right,
Speaker 1: that's the first thing. Came back and beat Bill Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1: And that was our first victory, he says, like eighty
Speaker 1: six in mass and the Falcons beat the Falcons. That door.
Speaker 1: Now as a head coach, as the head coach, you
Speaker 1: one one and somehow they you know, we're able to
Speaker 1: kind of as Mike McCarthy talked about on Friday, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody stepped up and did what they were
Speaker 1: asked to do, and we're capable of doing it. With
Speaker 1: dan Quinn, we talked about him doing both uh lounda
Speaker 1: wells coaching the tight ends but also the offensive line.
Speaker 1: Ben McAdoo going up top in the in the in
Speaker 1: the coach's box. Uh So they had a lot of
Speaker 1: guys as dan quib there's how did he put it?
Speaker 1: No job that isn't your job, basically, he said when
Speaker 1: he did his deal last week. And so uh, they
Speaker 1: were able to survive that game, Uh, no matter how
Speaker 1: ugly it was. But there are things the Cowboys got
Speaker 1: to get better at and we know that, and one
Speaker 1: of them is being able to effectively run the football
Speaker 1: and continuing uh to struggle with that, and we pointed
Speaker 1: out the yards they gained other than the two big plays.
Speaker 1: To me, it comes down to, and Steven Jones said
Speaker 1: it today on his radio segment, the offensive line has
Speaker 1: to be better. It has to be more coordinated. They
Speaker 1: need more continuity on the offensive line, and if that improves,
Speaker 1: then the running game improves. And I hear everybody talking
Speaker 1: about Dak and what's the problem. Well, if the offensive
Speaker 1: line is not playing well on the run game, does
Speaker 1: that mean, oh, but they're doing a heck of a
Speaker 1: job protecting the quarterback and they're not. He is under
Speaker 1: so much pressure every time he passes the ball. And
Speaker 1: we've mentioned many times on the show before that that
Speaker 1: Dak is one of the best. It's been noted that
Speaker 1: he's one of the best quarterbacks in the pocket under pressure.
Speaker 1: So that's one of those things that we should be
Speaker 1: thankful for it because he's getting a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1: When you look at the touchdown that we scored on
Speaker 1: the on the running play by Pollock, everyone did their
Speaker 1: perfectly right. Not just talking about the offensive lineman. One
Speaker 1: of the wide receivers came Beligue shielded them off perfectly.
Speaker 1: Believe Schultz turned someone outside and they stayed with their blocks.
Speaker 1: And as I looked at all of it, the offensive
Speaker 1: lineman on the left side, they shielded off people with
Speaker 1: just enough time to where the weakness was created in
Speaker 1: the hole. I believe it was mcgoverned. He ran his
Speaker 1: man all the way down I believed ten to fifteen
Speaker 1: yards down the field and was still had contact with him.
Speaker 1: We talked about maintaining and continuing contact as an offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: That's the toughness that they need. It's not coordination. You
Speaker 1: have to whip that man and not just the initial contact,
Speaker 1: but stick with the contract as you drive through. That's
Speaker 1: how other teams are able to take average backs and
Speaker 1: get above average George. And that's why we have these
Speaker 1: above average backs who are getting below average George because
Speaker 1: I will often sublimel are not staying with their blocks
Speaker 1: as they did on that pot of play. It was
Speaker 1: typical of how you're supposed to block a successful running play,
Speaker 1: and he shocked him with his speed to thim. Yes,
Speaker 1: he thought he had the angle on him, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden he goes, oh, no, I'm losing ground here.
Speaker 1: He's tried to play it safe. I don't know what
Speaker 1: he was doing. This is the guy that every once
Speaker 1: in a while, he's the one that gave up the
Speaker 1: past two I believe it was Digs the miracle in
Speaker 1: New Orleans. The Vikings end up winning the game. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was the guy that's supposed to make the interception.
Speaker 1: He didn't do either. He didn't want to commit passing offense,
Speaker 1: he didn't want to hit hit the guy too soon,
Speaker 1: and and he didn't do anything and ended up losing
Speaker 1: one of the bigger games in Saints of history. So
Speaker 1: he's had that that that knack to do something like that.
Speaker 1: But consistently on both sides, we have been inconsistent. I mean,
Speaker 1: we talked about versus the run, we know what Taysom
Speaker 1: Hill's gonna do, and yes we talk about our team
Speaker 1: was tired and boy, they just that's one of those
Speaker 1: games you just gotta gut it out, but we were
Speaker 1: still in that process. We were still consistent in giving
Speaker 1: up too many running yards and big plays in the
Speaker 1: passing game too. And he wasn't throwing the ball very
Speaker 1: well either, but too many big plays in the in
Speaker 1: the running game. Um, you know, he's got a long
Speaker 1: or twenty four yards that on that one player, and
Speaker 1: that's the one he hurdled. Whoever he hurdled that was.
Speaker 1: So when when quarterbacks do that? As a defensive guy,
Speaker 1: do you just like, I'm gonna get that. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna and when I get him, I'm gonna really nail over. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: Casey's like smaller than me, and Taysom's like two hundred
Speaker 1: and forty pounds, so he ain't gonna get nobody unless
Speaker 1: he's not looking right. So all he has to do
Speaker 1: just keep on making plays. And I must admit I
Speaker 1: saw some people out there that are still as consist
Speaker 1: as can be under these tough situations. I thought Cheltz
Speaker 1: played a really good game. Blocking is still tough, but
Speaker 1: he made some catches for us that kept the chains
Speaker 1: moving right. And I know Dad put it in there tight,
Speaker 1: but you still gotta go get it. And watching him
Speaker 1: make some of those big plays on those out routes
Speaker 1: against a very good strong safety and Jenkins. That's something
Speaker 1: that you just can't take for granted. You know, when
Speaker 1: you see Marty Cooper come in, we know he's hobbling,
Speaker 1: meaning physically. I don't mean that he's you know, got
Speaker 1: knee problems, a lower leg problem. Just you know, when
Speaker 1: you come into a game like that, you gotta be
Speaker 1: a little cloudy after missing two games from COVID, right
Speaker 1: and just man, the dad threw that thing up there
Speaker 1: and he just he plucked it out like he just
Speaker 1: picked a limited from a tree, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Just the way he just reached up and got it.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of thing you just can't take for granted,
Speaker 1: but we do. And having that luxury, that's something that
Speaker 1: Dak realizes he has. That's something his coaches realized. And
Speaker 1: I don't think that's why the panicking right now, because
Speaker 1: that's the guts that you show, the consistency from those
Speaker 1: those players. That's what you need in a game like this,
Speaker 1: because he could be easily going, oh man, show's not
Speaker 1: catching it today. Oh man, they go cool, he's not
Speaker 1: ready to day now. But they didn't give you that
Speaker 1: opportunity to do that because they came through and so
Speaker 1: and the and the guys they had coming back Tyrn Smith,
Speaker 1: so he had missed a week or two and wasn't
Speaker 1: practicing that much. You mentioned CD coming back, Amari coming
Speaker 1: back Gallop. That was just his second game back, looking
Speaker 1: good to d Law his first game back, and he
Speaker 1: looked good too. And think about what he did and
Speaker 1: you know his his line, Uh wasn't bad for a
Speaker 1: guy that was playing his first game in quite some time. Uh.
Speaker 1: And he had two tackles, he had a tackle for
Speaker 1: a loss and two uh two Uh he actually had
Speaker 1: two passes defense to the line of scrimmage in thirty
Speaker 1: four seven snaps. Yeah. So, uh so you got to
Speaker 1: get these guys back in the swinging things. You would
Speaker 1: hope the COVID thing disappears this week and you get
Speaker 1: back to practicing in they have consistency. Now we have
Speaker 1: ten days to get ready for the next game, and
Speaker 1: you've got these players that are going to capitalize and
Speaker 1: they've had enough rest because they had basically Friday, Saturday,
Speaker 1: Sunday off. Get back in here today lightly and then
Speaker 1: get back to practicing Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, when you got
Speaker 1: your job and get me to get the report, the
Speaker 1: report for injury report. Oh, the injury report. The first
Speaker 1: one will come out on Wednesday, Wednesday after our show.
Speaker 1: So um so that's where they're at going forward. Eight
Speaker 1: and four, still two game lead in the NFC East
Speaker 1: and now the showdown with Washington that we will get
Speaker 1: into tomorrow in depth on a team that has won
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