WEBVTT - Climate Action: Why One Size Doesn't Fit All 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:10.719 Hello again, Welcome back. I'm excited to continue this conversation 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:15.840 around climate change, well really around climate action, especially after 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:18.720 the chat we had with Amanda and Derek in part one. 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:23.120 If you haven't heard that yet, please do go into 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:25.880 your app, added to your queue, make it auto play 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:29.280 right after this one. I want to shift our focus 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:31.840 a little right now, though, to shed light on the 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:35.840 community leaders, folks on the ground, maybe those even more 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:40.040 directly impacted by the climate crisis. To kick off that conversation, 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:43.480 I chat with Daphne Free as a youth activist, organizer 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:49.200 and storyteller. She is passionate and she is super unapologetically herself. 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.600 You'll hear it, especially when it comes to her work 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:56.000 around climate action and how it affects the disabled and 0:00:56.080 --> 0:01:00.280 Latin X communities. Daphne drops major truth bombs you won't 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:03.040 be able to miss. Well, then hear from Joe Dodds, 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:07.959 President of Bushfire Survivors for Climate Action. Joe shares the 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:11.960 harrowing experience of facing a brush fire that ripped through 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:15.399 her small community in New South Wales, Australia. She's a 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:19.319 prime example of how someone can turn a deeply painful 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:30.600 life experience into a catalyst for change. I'm excited to 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:33.080 talk to you, and I want to jump right in. 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:36.959 There's a lot of people who know of you as 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:40.360 a youth organizer, as a storyteller, as this peace builder. 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.800 There are also people who may not have heard of 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:47.280 you or your story. So can you tell me where 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:50.440 your activism was born from and where you were born? 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:53.800 And maybe the answer is the same. Sure. So I 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:56.560 am born and raised in New York City. I am 0:01:56.600 --> 0:02:01.520 a West Haarlem girl. Harlem world. West Harlem informs my 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:05.800 activism Thuran theory, I say, I am wholly accountable to 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:11.120 my community always. My work is also informed by the 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:15.280 various communities I intersect. So I am disabled. I was 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:18.720 diagnosed Swiss fribral palsy when I was three years old. 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:21.840 So I use a wheel chair to ambulate and roll 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:24.840 around and zoom around. Like I like to say, every 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.040 time I think about the way I live my life, 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.200 I think about like that song, like they see me 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.520 rolland they did, And that's my that's my life model. 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:36.240 Like everybody out here on two legs, that's overrated, guys. 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:40.040 I'm out here on wheels doing my thing. Daphne, you 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:42.680 got me rolling, all right? So I'm with you on 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:47.800 the wheels. So growing up, I was raised by my 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:52.639 mom in a very disability positive community, but sort of 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:57.800 inherently the Hispanic Landox community and most communities of color 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:02.040 have a very net good of outlook on the idea 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:06.840 of disability, and I was sort of calm way focusing 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:11.760 sort of this intergenerational push and pull where my mom 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:15.079 raised me to be wholly proud of my disability and 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:18.400 who I am and what my body allows me to do, 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:23.200 but my grandparents and other elders within my community were 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:26.200 trying to keep me sort of in this little bubble 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:30.680 of safety. I don't really vibe with that bubble. So 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:34.560 really my work is informed by changing the status quo 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:40.840 of what disability looks like, creating positive disability representation, helping 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:44.640 folks realize that disability is not a death sentence, disabilities 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:49.080 a superpower, and that disability doesn't need to become more 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:52.000 palatable in society for it to be accepted. Disability should 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:55.280 be accepted just as it is because we are amazing 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:59.400 and capable and special. So you are changing some of 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:02.240 that image representation that you just talked about, and I 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.280 think in one place in particular, when it comes to 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:08.680 through the lens of the climate crisis, which itself is 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.760 often communicated as a bit of a death sentence. So 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:15.480 I wonder for you, you know, are you seeing more 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:20.000 representation of the disabled community, of the Latin X community 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:23.960 in these global and national debates and policy discussions around 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:28.560 climate change? Unfortunately known, but every day I am working 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:32.760 to change that status quo. My whole life, I was 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:37.000 experiencing the idea of environmental racism, and for those who 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:42.640 are unfamiliar with that term, it's how the infrastructure around 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:48.280 you is contributing negatively to the way that you experience 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:52.719 the climate crisis, and how the built environment and those 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:59.160 polluting structures, combined with your race contributes negatively to sort 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:05.719 of ide enfranchise climate experience. So in West Harlem, I 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:11.279 lived near a major bus depot, UH highway, a sewage 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:15.520 treatment plant. All of these things are great polluters to 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:19.719 your environment. And black and brown people are three times 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:23.599 as more likely to have ready experience high rates of asthma, 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:28.719 heart disease, and diabetes, So adding polluted air to that 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:32.680 mix is definitely not something that we need to be experiencing. 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:37.039 And although I was experiencing this, my whole life. I 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:41.040 didn't have the knowledge or the agency to understand that 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:43.160 that's what I was experiencing. I didn't have the language 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:47.520 to communicate the realities of environment to racism. And I 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.760 was able to sort of really see that disparity when 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:53.800 I went to high school and predominantly white institution in 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:58.640 downtown Manhattan, and the first time I arrived in that neighborhood, 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:02.440 there was six supermarkets in the radius of two blocks. 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:04.839 And in my neighborhood in West Harlem, you have to 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.320 go about ten minutes to get a tomato that looks 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:10.480 sort of okay, yeah, like to maybe you want to 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:13.080 eat exactly. And I was like, wait, wait, the way 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:15.359 that I'm living is that the way that everyone is living? 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:19.839 And it was a huge makeup car. So sometimes when 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:22.760 we attempt to do something about an issue, we apply 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:26.360 this like one size fits all answer, and we failed 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.480 to account for some of the nuances and some of 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.320 the different impacts of those decisions. So when I'm thinking 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:35.440 about climate, I'm thinking about some of these sustainability issues, 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:39.479 pollution related issues. I just remember how excited people got 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.480 to ban plastic straws. Oh my god, don't get me started. 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:47.520 We couldn't get Congress to like take carbon regulations seriously. 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.400 But damn it, we're gonna shame you over these straws, 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:53.360 and we're gonna make it impossible to find these straws. 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:59.039 But you have another experience with these now shamed devices 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:01.680 that have leaf you call it something of a lifeline 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.880 from members of your community. Tell me about how we 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:08.520 need to bring a bit more nuance and consideration as 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:12.120 we're trying to care for all the communities on this planet. Yeah, 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:17.840 so sometime fifteen years ago, an environmental photographer took a 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:22.600 picture of this turtle with plastic straws and its snout, 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:27.640 and the whole world was enraged immediately. For so long 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.280 we have been trying to get people to act on 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:34.920 the climate, and then we started banning a little plastic 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:40.640 straws because fossil fuels, you know, those are totally fine, 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.440 but the straws, No, that's where the real problem the 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:46.800 climate crisis is coming from. And I think the problem 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:51.680 that comes with this is disabled folks, myself included, depend 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:57.040 on plastic straws, depend on single use plastic medical devices 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:02.000 to survive, Those who have limited mobility, those who have 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:05.320 a limited range of motion sometimes for them of straw 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.600 is the only way that they're able to access nutrients 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:13.600 and feed themselves and exists as a human being. And 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:17.280 now in instead of being able to have something as 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:20.760 simple as a straw to be your lifeline, you're getting 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:25.800 glaring looks from waiters at restaurants, when that anger belongs 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:30.080 with the Phiosolphia executives because I didn't create the climate crisis. 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:33.480 You didn't create the climate crisis, and that's strong didn't 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:39.400 create the climate crisis. The people who have been systematically 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:44.120 over time pumping carbon and phosophies into our environment. That 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:48.040 is why we're here. The systematic oppressive systems that lead 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.320 to the climate crisis, that is why we're here. And 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:54.280 I think not only is it's harmful to bampastic straws 0:08:54.320 --> 0:09:00.000 because escapegoats a community, it's also harmful because it creates 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:03.079 to distraction of where the dialogue needs to be going. 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:06.040 And that's exactly what the fosil fand if she wants 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.360 to be happening, They want you to look at the 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.800 straws instead of looking at them because they're the ones 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:15.920 really responsible. So we need to really shift the narrative 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:22.640 from these lifelines these actual tools for equality and sustainability 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:27.560 and actually ask ourselves who was most responsible for the crisis. 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:30.600 Thank you, Daphne. That was some knowledge that is new 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:33.080 to me, and I love your perspective on that. I 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:36.640 want your perspective on this other thing. You are a 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:40.640 young person, and I'm curious, how does the message, this 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:45.520 fatalistic message around the climate crisis strike you. How do 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:50.400 you feel when the overriding messages we're out of time? 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.000 And I want to be incoord to be transparent and 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:56.559 say that I experienced a sort of climate anxiety, anxiety 0:09:56.640 --> 0:10:00.440 around this sort of ever present ticking clock we have 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:03.400 in the back of our minds, and I want to 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.920 give agency to that, because I think people assume that 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:09.400 climate activists are always optimistic because we're fighting to save 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:11.720 the planet, and I think it's actually the opposite. We're 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:14.800 fighting to save the planet because nine times at a 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.040 ten I'm having an emotional breakdown about the state of 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.839 our earth, and I want people to know that who 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:22.760 are listening, if you're also feeling in that climate anxiety, 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:27.400 you are completely valid. But for me, I caution this 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:32.319 fatalistic notion of where we're heading with our planet. The 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:36.760 concept of climate doomism, where it's like we have to 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:40.360 do everything or there is nothing this end all, be 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:44.079 all scenario, and that is not the reality of how 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:48.920 we solve the climate crisis. The climate crisis needs adaptation 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:54.079 and gradual resilience in order to get solved. Yeah you're scared, 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:58.760 I'm scared, But instead of using that fear to hide 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:02.440 under a rock, I'm gonna do whatever I can to 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:08.320 make sure that that incredibly scary outcome doesn't happen. Do 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:14.440 you have examples of new messages, stories, or approaches that 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:19.760 you've seen breakthrough what's working? I believe that storytelling is 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.840 one of the biggest components that we have to creating 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.920 any sort of change. Words are the building blocks of revolutions. 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:33.120 Words can make anything happen. Giving stories and agency to 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.319 those who are experiencing the effects of the climate crisis 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.440 right now is some of the most effective methods I've seen. 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:44.520 Because I think it's really easy to say the climate 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:46.959 crisis is a thing, and I understand it exists, but 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:50.199 it doesn't personally affect me right now, So how do 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:53.520 I even feel compelled to do something about it? And 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:57.000 the truth is, while many populations might not be feeling 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.640 the effects of the climate crisis right now, you will 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:03.479 at some point. The climate crisis is the greatest equalized 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:07.800 we have on this planet in terms of even wealthy populations. 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:09.800 At the end of the day, the fire is going 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:11.920 to burn your money. The fire doesn't care about all 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.480 your dollar bills. It doesn't matter how much money you have. 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:18.640 And you know we're not Jeff Bezos really must too 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:20.800 quickly run off to space in one of Mars like 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:25.160 that's not happening for us. So I think by sharing 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:29.000 personal anecdotes and stories and that that has been incredibly 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:34.440 important and saying these are real human people who right 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:38.880 now in two you're feeling the floods, you're feeling the fires. 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:42.960 It's not something that's happening in two years, five years, 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:46.400 ten years, just happening you're right now. I also think 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.959 social media is one of the greatest tools for education 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:54.120 because I think there's a huge gap and people understanding 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:58.680 that the climate crisis didn't just come from carbon emissions 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:02.520 and everybody getting cars over the last fifty years and 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:06.560 people using too much hairy spray. It came from systematic 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:10.920 systems of oppression and how our capitalist society sort of 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:16.600 prioritizes growth and growth and economy and using extractive materials 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.959 to become wealthy over the health of our planet. So 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:23.560 it's something that has been coming over time. And by 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:28.120 sharing knowledge and stories and putting the people who should 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:32.440 be accountable on platforms where we can all share and 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:35.880 be knowledgeable too, is the most important You get my 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:39.840 attention with this word accountable. And there's something I've anecdotally 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:43.120 noticed about gen Z folk. Y'all seem to have a 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:47.360 higher bar when it comes to workplaces and who you 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.880 will offer up your labor to or not when it 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:55.800 comes to product purchases and brand alignment? Why do you 0:13:55.880 --> 0:14:00.400 think gen Z have that higher standard? And the simplest terms, 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.760 gen Z is tired of the bs. We've had a 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:08.839 future handed to us that is genuinely a plate of garbage, 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:12.920 and we're trying to just figure out how do we survive. 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.719 We have grown up in a generation that has not 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:21.720 known a life without school shootings. We are generation that 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:26.560 even before we are finished high school, we know that 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:30.520 we're going to be an insurmountable debts that we're not 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:33.240 gonna be able to pay off, and with zero job 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:37.760 security whatsoever, and with the bachelors becoming the new high 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:40.880 school diploma, and with the masters becoming the new bachelors, 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:44.880 you're increasingly have to invest in higher levels of education 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:49.120 with very little prospects of actually having job security. So 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.800 things are not looking real cute for gen Z. And 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:58.040 we're pretty tired of the adults saying, well, this is 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:01.800 how it is, and you had to deal with all 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.240 this inequality, so we're just going to pass it over 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:08.120 to you. And I think the higher bar that we're 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:12.640 putting in place is saying, we're going to take the 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:16.960 status quo back into our hands. Maybe it's time to 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:21.800 have conversations with new people with new voices that actually 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:27.200 reflect the diversity, the inclusiveness, the welcoming nature, the global 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:30.440 nature of gen Z instead of the same men who 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.320 have been in power since they were diapers because of 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:38.120 nepotism and intergenerational wealth. And I think for me, that 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:41.960 higher standard is is knowing that there is not any 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:45.720 sector where gen Z is not going to hold you accountable. 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:48.720 It doesn't matter if your clothing brand, it doesn't matter 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:53.440 if you're a media company, even our celebrities, you also 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:57.960 have to be someone who is making a difference because 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:03.880 you have a platform at expands generations and expands the globe, 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:06.280 and we're not going to give you a platform for free. 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.920 You're gonna work for it because every platform that we 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:14.560 have is a tool for change, is a vacuum for discussion, 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:17.920 and we need to use as many avenues and platforms 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:21.760 as possible. You dropped so many gems, I feel like 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:24.760 I'm go in a jewelry store. So much of young 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:28.680 people's power plays out on technology platforms. I have a 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:32.640 split question for you. One is about how technology has 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:36.840 allowed you and this next generation to collaborate more effectively, 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:40.960 and then, paired with that, what you hope for from 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:45.640 these tech platforms themselves in terms of their responsibility to 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:50.520 do more, to do better. Yeah. I think the Internet 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:54.360 is one of the greatest equalizers, and it's also changed 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:58.120 the way that gen Z defines itself. I say that 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:02.640 Gen Z is the most global generation to date, and 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.479 that is because of the Internet. We are seeing a 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:11.800 shift from individuals who are incredibly nationalistic and working in 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:15.760 a space where it's very country specific to the work 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:18.080 that myself and Gen D as a whole is doing 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:23.159 not necessarily defined by country borders and barriers, but really 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:29.440 as a global generation that is creating ally ship across 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:32.800 the entire world. I like to say that we are 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:40.160 building the Avengers of activism. We are building a ecosystem 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:46.879 that wherever you go, no matter cultural or societal differences, 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.399 gen D is going to hold you accountable in the 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:52.239 same way. Because of the Internet, we have sort of 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:56.760 this homogeneous way of thinking as a generation that previous 0:17:56.760 --> 0:18:00.280 generations hadn't been able to have because we were less 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:04.000 connected in real time. To answer the second part of 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:08.359 that question, how are we holding social media platforms accountable? 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:12.760 Platforms like Instagram, platform like Twitter are inherently inaccessible to 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:18.240 individuals with varying disabilities, whether it be visual impairments, hearing impairments, 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:20.840 those of the deaf and heart of hearing community. In 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:24.120 the platform like Instagram, which is all visual and graphic base, 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:27.600 how do we allow blind people to utilize Instagram? How 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:31.520 do we allow people who are deaf to hear our 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:35.800 voices on stories? And Instagram actually has a feature called 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:39.880 alt texts, which allows you to put a caption describing 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:43.720 the image of your photo. However, that's hidden in the 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:47.879 advanced settings on posts. It's not a front end center 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:52.720 future and I'm pushing for platforms like Twitter and Instagram 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:56.360 to change that. And then also simultaneously, how do we 0:18:57.080 --> 0:19:00.760 hold our social media executives accountable and the way that 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:04.439 they have sort of allowed for disinformation to be spread 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:08.400 across those social media putrous So sort of letting gen 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:11.439 Z and then date those platforms with truth, with the 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.040 power of stories, with the power of community to help 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:19.159 combat all of the sort of crazy misinformation that is 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:22.239 being spread on those platforms. What's the one thing you 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:24.400 want someone hearing this to take away from your work. 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:28.159 I want everyone to know that as much as you 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:32.160 see gen Z hooked to our devices, our phones, are laptops, 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:36.000 are iPads, on those very same devices, we are changing 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:38.679 the world. So I promise as much as we are 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:41.960 scrolling Instagram and tik talk, we are also having some 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:46.840 of the most impactful conversations of our lives and probably 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:51.720 of the world's going forward. Gen Z are experts, are 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:55.840 lived experience makes us experts in trying to make the 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:59.960 world a better place. So please, before you dwindle down 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:03.240 oun gen Z to some weird kids who are obsessed 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:05.840 with the Internet memes, I promise we are so much 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:10.720 more than that. We are individuals who are kind, are powerful, compassionate, 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:13.600 and are incredibly innovative. And I promise that if you 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:15.600 trust us just a little bit more than you do 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.120 right now, we are going to lead all of us 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:20.480 together to a much better place. So give us a 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:22.679 little bit of trust, give us a little bit of liberty, 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:25.560 and try to laugh along the way, because we are 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:29.920 also hilarious and not everything can be so so serious, 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:33.840 because the times of your times are strange. But gen 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:35.800 Z has got your back. You just have to let 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:42.000 us lead the way. Dafnely, you are for sure a 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:46.840 leader of right now. Thank you for your humor, your energy, 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:51.360 your clarity, your perspective, and your your realness. It's been 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:53.880 an absolute pleasure of meeting you. 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Hey, 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:27.560 I'm still Baritune Day, your host for Force Multiplier, but 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:29.639 I'm checking in with you with a little different energy 0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:32.439 because if you're listening, you like the show, and if 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:34.640 you like the show, you might like my other show, 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:38.240 How to Citizen, where we take citizen as a verb 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:41.320 and find out from people practicing the ways we can 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:45.720 shape our community by showing up, investing in relationships, understanding power, 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:48.960 and valuing our collective selves. Check it out at how 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:52.440 to citizen dot com or wherever you get your podcast. 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:00.639 So there's a lot to love about after me. But 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:02.840 one of the things that stands out to me is 0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:06.360 how she stresses the importance of nuance. She proves that 0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:08.480 one size doesn't fit all when it comes to the 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:11.840 issues of climate change. Hers is an important message and 0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:16.720 a perspective we all got to be more aware of now. 0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:19.280 Our second guest is also a testament to the same 0:23:19.320 --> 0:23:22.960 idea that we can be vessels for change by simply 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:26.359 sharing our stories. Joe Dodds comes to us all the 0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:29.520 way from Australia and lives in her dream home within 0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:42.639 a literal forest. It's a pristine environment where we have 0:23:42.760 --> 0:23:46.240 some of the best beaches in the world. And the 0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:48.600 property that I live on is fifty acres of forest 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:54.000 which segue straight into a Flora and Fauna reserve and 0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:57.080 thence into national parks, and there are no fences in 0:23:57.119 --> 0:23:59.080 between any of those things. So I very much feel 0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:04.399 connected to a wild environment that surrounds my place and 0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:07.400 surrounds the little town of Tarfa, which is the closest 0:24:07.440 --> 0:24:11.119 town to me. I've managed to find myself in the 0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:15.879 sort of paradisical environment that I dreamed of when I 0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:21.119 was much younger and living in the city. I was 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:24.040 certainly aware of climate change before I moved here. It 0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:27.200 was something that was not really often spoken about in 0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:30.240 the news, but it seemed like a very distant future 0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:34.359 thing and almost impossible to conceive of it being a 0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:38.639 real problem for humans. But after I had moved here 0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:42.520 and was living in a forest, I started to pay 0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:45.680 a lot more attention to the seasons, to the wet 0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:49.200 to the dry, noticing the difference that that made to 0:24:49.240 --> 0:24:52.439 the environment around me. And as most people who live 0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:54.719 in the country would be aware, you pay a lot 0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:58.440 more attention to fire seasons, the risk of fire, and 0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:02.720 to flood events as well. But one day in March, 0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:05.760 a day that should have been like any other, this 0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:10.040 distant reality suddenly became Joe's worst nightmare up close and 0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:13.439 too personal. She was forced to evacuate her home in 0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:16.080 the Beggar Valley with only the clothes on her back, 0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:19.120 the result of a bush fire that broke out, one 0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:22.880 that would eventually destroy scores of homes and create even 0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:27.920 more collateral damage across lane. I rang my partner straight 0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:29.840 away to say whether he was aware of the fire, 0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:33.360 and he was, and I could hear his voice shaking. 0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:37.679 His voice was changed, and his voice I could I 0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:40.520 could tell he was anxious. And this is something that 0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:43.280 I have never heard in my partner's voice before. He's 0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:48.439 a very solid, calm person who pretty well always knows 0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:51.080 what he's going to do next. But it's the only 0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:55.680 time before or since that I've heard his voice give 0:25:55.720 --> 0:26:00.000 away his fear. We had enough time to get down 0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:04.159 into the valley and across the fire front in Tarta 0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:08.080 to drop me at the edge of the river and 0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:10.160 watch my home. I can see my home from that 0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:13.720