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Speaker 1: Welcome into part two of the podcast with Nick Right.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna throw this out because you and I
Speaker 1: I don't talk a lot of politics, but it's.
Speaker 3: Whatever you do. You go viral man. The the the
Speaker 3: Internet had you clocked as a hardcore right wingers, so weird,
Speaker 3: I know. Well, it's just you're just old, white and rich,
Speaker 3: that's all. And so so so because of that, they
Speaker 3: just assumed it. So every time you say anything that
Speaker 3: isn't like Maga hat wearing Trump or stuff. There are
Speaker 3: corners of the internet that are just throw parties, like
Speaker 3: I think today, That's what I was telling you before
Speaker 3: the show today. You just said, like, saw Kamala Harris.
Speaker 3: She wasn't pointing angry and she was smiling. Made me
Speaker 3: feel good. And they are like important political accounts like
Speaker 3: Colin Cowherd says, why Kamala Harris is gonna win the election?
Speaker 3: So they're so happy about it. It just it delights
Speaker 3: me every time I see it. But go ahead, So
Speaker 3: I didn't mean to interrupt you, but I'm excited where
Speaker 3: this is going to go. So so it was first.
Speaker 1: Of all, whenever anybody in any situation in life is
Speaker 1: trying to convince me that something's true too hard, like
Speaker 1: why are you doing that? That's where I'm kind of
Speaker 1: cynical as a person, like if something's like even when
Speaker 1: people have pitched me businesses, the couple of businesses that
Speaker 1: I've bought a stake in a business, or both times
Speaker 1: where I really somebody came up and said, hey, I
Speaker 1: think you'll like it. I'll send you a deck I
Speaker 1: think it's interesting. I've never ever purchased any part of
Speaker 1: a company. When you hard sell me, same with a car,
Speaker 1: I'll walk in, I'll tell you what I like. I'm
Speaker 1: quick cut to the chase, get me the contract. So
Speaker 1: you know they're they're the Conservatives are trying to Vice
Speaker 1: presidents don't decide elections. They can hurt you. They like
Speaker 1: baseball managers. They don't win many games. They can lose
Speaker 1: your games if they lose the locker room. So so
Speaker 1: Kamala's vice president Tim Walls, he not gonna it doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter because he'll just get out of the way.
Speaker 1: He's a high school football coach. He was well liked.
Speaker 1: He's not deciding this thing. They do appear to really
Speaker 1: like each other.
Speaker 3: That matters.
Speaker 1: Yep, jd Vance could hurt you. That's the worst kind
Speaker 1: of VP pick where he could actually pull a point
Speaker 1: or two down or Lojah state. So very quickly he
Speaker 1: says something about women without kids, and I'm like, you
Speaker 1: guys are struggling with women. I wouldn't go there. He
Speaker 1: did something today and by the time this airs it
Speaker 1: will have been discussed at nauseum by the political pundits.
Speaker 1: But I thought to myself, Oh, oh, I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: So he went to Kamala's plane.
Speaker 3: I saw this too, So they were planning. If people
Speaker 3: don't know, they his plane and air force too, I
Speaker 3: guess is the one she's on. Both laying in the
Speaker 3: same airfield, and so he was. So they both happened
Speaker 3: to me in the same place. So we walked over.
Speaker 3: So now you take over and say what.
Speaker 1: And it was so it was almost as if he
Speaker 1: was trying to kind of intimidate her, and I thought,
Speaker 1: time out. It already pissed off a lot of women who,
Speaker 1: by the way, would love children but they can't have them.
Speaker 1: Well I've known, right, That's okay, So that's first. Then
Speaker 1: you combine it with I'm going to try to intimidate
Speaker 1: our potentially first female president. And I really thought, oh,
Speaker 1: christ Trump may have it. This could like this is
Speaker 1: a baseball This is Bobby Valentine taking over the Red Sox,
Speaker 1: pissing off Dustin Pedroia. And he was gone like thirty
Speaker 1: games later.
Speaker 3: It was like, holy.
Speaker 1: God, this is a And I think to myself, no,
Speaker 1: because I tend to be moderate but lean left, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to overreact. It's just a vice president. They
Speaker 1: don't matter. But I saw that, and I that's really
Speaker 1: bad judgment.
Speaker 3: So that reacting No, I listen, I think that, So
Speaker 3: I'll go macro to micro. I think that anyone. This
Speaker 3: is the problem with being a phony is you're never
Speaker 3: acting on instinct. You're acting. Wait the person I'm trying
Speaker 3: to pretend I am, how would they act? And you
Speaker 3: fuck it up all the time. That's my my My
Speaker 3: honest died in the whole opinion of jd. Vance's he's
Speaker 3: I had no idea who he is. It's not this guy.
Speaker 3: He's cosplaying as I know that because he has been
Speaker 3: in the public eye for a long time. And you
Speaker 3: can come around on things, you can change positions, but
Speaker 3: you can't write a book about the opioid epidemic and
Speaker 3: then call Donald Trump and opiate and opioid as a
Speaker 3: slur about how this is how bad it is. It
Speaker 3: ruined my family, ruined my area. He say to people,
Speaker 3: he reminds you of Hitler, and change enough to where
Speaker 3: you're like, I want to be his vice president. Nobody
Speaker 3: changes that much like that the end. But so his
Speaker 3: heat what he has done super successfully is navigate from
Speaker 3: you know, a guy who wrote a book that people
Speaker 3: liked to up until the day Biden dropped out the
Speaker 3: overwhelming likely vice next vice president of the United States.
Speaker 3: He navigated that in an incredibly short period of time
Speaker 3: because his true north was what do I need to
Speaker 3: say and do to achieve the next rung of power?
Speaker 3: And it has worked, but more often than not, at
Speaker 3: some point that bill comes due, and that bill is
Speaker 3: coming due right now because the guy can't make it,
Speaker 3: can't do anything on instinct. Everything's like, wait, what am
Speaker 3: I supposed to do in this spot? And so there's
Speaker 3: so every time he talks, it's like, why'd you say that?
Speaker 3: Like today, some local reporter has said to him, some
Speaker 3: friendly local reporter was like, you know, one of the
Speaker 3: things you're criticized about is that you don't smile in them.
Speaker 3: What is something that makes you smile? And the answer
Speaker 3: to that question is literally anything my kids, a baseball game,
Speaker 3: the flag of the United States. And his answer was, well,
Speaker 3: I smile when I laugh at ridiculous questions like that
Speaker 3: from the fake media. And I'm like, that's not what
Speaker 3: you wanted to say, buddy, but you think that's what
Speaker 3: you're supposed to say. And so yeah, I mean I
Speaker 3: think I think in general, like when you're not able
Speaker 3: to have at least something of a consistent like. I
Speaker 3: understand all politicians pander and change positions. I get that,
Speaker 3: but this is such a dramatic turn of events. He
Speaker 3: seems like a different person. The other thing on the
Speaker 3: first thing you said about the reason he's in real
Speaker 3: trouble is the comment about childless women. And this is
Speaker 3: I will admit I'm about to say something overtly political. Okay,
Speaker 3: so this is one of my biggest problems with the
Speaker 3: so many of our super conservative politicians. I actually don't
Speaker 3: know how much they truly understand about how babies are
Speaker 3: made and the human reproductive system and all of it.
Speaker 3: Because jd Vance would tell you I was talking about
Speaker 3: people that don't want to have children, and I think
Speaker 3: that's bullshit. I think that if you're choosing not to
Speaker 3: have kids, you're not as important of a citizen someone
Speaker 3: that wants to start a family. I think he truly
Speaker 3: believes that. Fine, whatever, I think that's wrong, but at
Speaker 3: least I can get he's like, you have more of
Speaker 3: an investment. But it's such a fundamental misunderstanding that so
Speaker 3: many people and families desperately want to have kids and
Speaker 3: the biggest tragedies of their life are that they haven't
Speaker 3: been able to or I mean, I will all tell
Speaker 3: something very personal because she shared it publicly. My sister
Speaker 3: had a child and everything was fine, seemingly with my nephew.
Speaker 3: Everything is fine with my nephew, but everything is fine
Speaker 3: with the pregnancy, and then over the next four years
Speaker 3: had four of the most excruciating miscarriages anyone can imagine,
Speaker 3: and then had basically a miracle baby who's now my niece.
Speaker 3: There are so many women out there that the biggest
Speaker 3: tragedy of their lives is through no fault of their own. Yes,
Speaker 3: they can't have kids, right then this guy is. And
Speaker 3: the reason I said, I don't think they know how
Speaker 3: babies are made. That's a little tongue in cheek, But
Speaker 3: my point is if you have that at all in
Speaker 3: your consciousness, that oh wait, there's a lot of people
Speaker 3: that want to have kids that are struggling having kids,
Speaker 3: then you'd be more careful with your words. You wouldn't
Speaker 3: say things like childless women. You would find a way
Speaker 3: to make your point, which is essentially that people that
Speaker 3: have decided I want to be lifelong bachelor or I
Speaker 3: want to be lifelong single. Is the point you're really
Speaker 3: trying to make that you don't think they have as
Speaker 3: much skin in the game as someone who has kids
Speaker 3: and grandkids. And again, I don't know that I agree
Speaker 3: with that take, but that to take that you can
Speaker 3: at least defend. But when you just flippantly throw this
Speaker 3: stuff out there, it's like, man, there's people are understanding,
Speaker 3: people that want to root for you and vote for you,
Speaker 3: are gonna say you're saying I count less. I voted
Speaker 3: for Trump twice, not me. I'm this theoretical person, and
Speaker 3: because I can't have a baby, I count like, like
Speaker 3: that's going to cost you. And you said, you know,
Speaker 3: I think that if this had happened three months ago,
Speaker 3: he would have changed his mind. But I think Trump's
Speaker 3: in a weird spot because he can't kick jd off
Speaker 3: the ticket after he made fun of Biden for dropping out, Like, man,
Speaker 3: this is a quit. Last twenty days is a pretty
Speaker 3: quick turnaround. As far as the odds now, we're a
Speaker 3: long ways out. A lot can change. But I felt
Speaker 3: like Trump was Some of my friends in the high
Speaker 3: stakes gambling community, the poker players.
Speaker 1: That's why I watch from presidential elections, I watched the
Speaker 1: gaming market.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, so some of the best poker players in
Speaker 3: the world the week before Biden dropped out were betting
Speaker 3: Trump at minus two hundred to minus two twenty and
Speaker 3: as of this moment, it's Kamala minus one ten, a tiny,
Speaker 3: tiny favorite in three weeks. I mean it's been three weeks.
Speaker 3: That is a wild turn of events on holl of
Speaker 3: this and how this thing flipped so quickly in the markets. Again,
Speaker 3: in the markets, I mean, the audience knows who I'm
Speaker 3: voting for, but that's fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, and that that also includes an assassination attempt,
Speaker 1: which I should have literally with an iconic photo guaranteed
Speaker 1: him the election. I mean it was like, in a
Speaker 1: weird way, I saw that photo and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh boy, well, it's no.
Speaker 3: To squander that much goodwill and a lead and the
Speaker 3: all of it in record time. Also then makes you
Speaker 3: I'm very interested in how these next couple months ago,
Speaker 3: because all of a sudden you can still win, like
Speaker 3: things change. But man, Trump, Trump, when he thinks he's
Speaker 3: losing his historically doesn't act less unhinged. He doesn't like Okay,
Speaker 3: now's the time to be disciplined. Now's the time to
Speaker 3: stay on message about taxes, like I just don't think
Speaker 3: that's coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's you know, it's funny. I've always
Speaker 1: laughed at this stick to sports thing, and I'm always like, well,
Speaker 1: then you stick to not lecturing me on how to
Speaker 1: produce a radio show or a podcast. Is my take
Speaker 1: is everybody gets an opinion on politics because in the
Speaker 1: summer months, in election years, there's nothing going on. I mean,
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for the Olympics, what in the hell
Speaker 1: would any of us talk about Because nobody plays in
Speaker 1: the preseason. Sean McVay newted it when he didn't play
Speaker 1: anybody and went ate to no to start the season.
Speaker 1: So the truth is, I like people, even if they're
Speaker 1: not particularly gifted orders or they're not pundits. I'm interested
Speaker 1: in different I like different political opinions. I've said this before.
Speaker 1: Fans call sports radio shows. On average, they're dreadful, they're repetitive,
Speaker 1: they have nothing creative to say. But but there is
Speaker 1: value if you're doing I do a simulcast, but if
Speaker 1: you do strictly a radio broadcast of having the occasional
Speaker 1: argumentative call, the call that's absurdly wrong. I mean it's
Speaker 1: it was Mike and the Mad Dog. Like some of
Speaker 1: the funniest moments are just idiotic calls. You know, it
Speaker 1: is part of the theater. So I like, I don't
Speaker 1: I like people to have different opinions. I glean all
Speaker 1: sorts of information. You don't have to be an expert.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've said before football coaches have acknowledged, like,
Speaker 1: you know, a fan, Andy Reid's like, a fan sent
Speaker 1: me a play.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we kind of somebody on the guy that works
Speaker 3: at one of the janitorial staff drew something up for him. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he was like. And I also if if someone decides
Speaker 3: I'm simply someone in our field decides I'm simply never
Speaker 3: talking about it, So that's fine. Like, I get that.
Speaker 3: Sometimes that's an edict, sometimes it's a it's uh, it's
Speaker 3: just you know, it's strategy. That's fine. What I don't
Speaker 3: love is if someone does talk about it and clearly
Speaker 3: is afraid to be honest about how they feel, Like
Speaker 3: so I stay out of One of the reasons I
Speaker 3: rarely talk about this is because I'm not a moderate.
Speaker 3: I don't pretend to be like I like I my
Speaker 3: politics are. I think some people consider I'm extreme. That's fine,
Speaker 3: but I'm not gonna I'm not going to all of
Speaker 3: a sudden act like, well, you know, up until you know,
Speaker 3: a couple months before, I was undecided. I you know, no,
Speaker 3: I wasn't like I sorry, my dog's were being annoying,
Speaker 3: like I wasn't undecided. And in my lifetime since I've
Speaker 3: been you know, old enough to vote, I've voted Democrat
Speaker 3: every election. So if I'm going to talk about it,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest with you know, with folks about
Speaker 3: where I stand on it.
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Speaker 1: give you an example, think if I don't bring up politics,
Speaker 1: you're being woke. I'm giving an example.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: One of the things I've done well in my career,
Speaker 1: and this is really boring, but I think I'm really
Speaker 1: good at it is topic selection. Is I talk about
Speaker 1: really interesting. I pick the right stuff to talk about,
Speaker 1: and I think it's about twenty five to thirty percent
Speaker 1: of my success is I don't get into spaces that
Speaker 1: people don't care about. So when Lebron had an opinion
Speaker 1: about China, remember that and people, yeah, of course, why
Speaker 1: why won't you talk about that? Because it's bureaucracy and
Speaker 1: nobody cares. And you didn't care about China an hour
Speaker 1: before this. So like, people talk about the transgender stuff,
Speaker 1: and my take is, you don't really care about that.
Speaker 1: I don't know much about it and you don't care
Speaker 1: about it, and it doesn't move. Yeah, so it doesn't
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 3: I am very much.
Speaker 1: I am loyal my whole career. I am loyal to
Speaker 1: the topic that moves the needle. Because you could be
Speaker 1: an expert on hockey. I could know nothing about college football,
Speaker 1: but I'll beat you because I choose a better topic.
Speaker 1: And so when I avoid the transgender topics, first they're murky.
Speaker 1: I let Ethan Strauss had a fascinating doctor on in
Speaker 1: regards to it, and it was I didn't have more
Speaker 1: clarity or less after forty minutes of talking, but it
Speaker 1: was a fascinating listen. And so if I'm not an
Speaker 1: expert on something, if it's murky or it's bureaucracy, and
Speaker 1: I don't, it's not.
Speaker 3: Something that's So I'm so glad you said that. And
Speaker 3: I know we're going long. Okay, then there's nothing quicker
Speaker 3: than all of a sudden, let's talk about you know,
Speaker 3: the transgenderism and whether who should be able to play
Speaker 3: what's sport and all of that. I was amazed at
Speaker 3: how dumb some of my colleagues were last Thursday when
Speaker 3: the women's boxing match in the Olympics happened. So I'm
Speaker 3: going to give you my day. Okay. I wake up
Speaker 3: Thursday morning, I have the podcast, then the TV show.
Speaker 3: I checked Twitter. I see what everybody sees. Some people
Speaker 3: are like, a man beat up a woman and she cried.
Speaker 3: Some people are like, what do you see This woman's
Speaker 3: loses all the time in boxing and was born a woman.
Speaker 3: Here's a picture of her as a kid. And some
Speaker 3: people were like, no, she's she's switched sex at birth.
Speaker 3: And then people are like, no, they're not at birth,
Speaker 3: pardon me, And then it'd be like, hmm, okay, well
Speaker 3: I'm certainly not gonna get to the bottom of this
Speaker 3: story in the next half hour. Luckily it's women's boxing
Speaker 3: at the Olympics, which was not gonna be in the rundown. Ever,
Speaker 3: it was not you know, somebody beat uh gad, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: are Simone Biles? And you know in something we were
Speaker 3: talking about, it's not something involving the men's basketball team.
Speaker 3: We were never gonna talk about the women's boxing the Olympics. Ever,
Speaker 3: it was not in the zeitgeist. It's not like the
Speaker 3: audience like, oh, you promised us that tomorrow you're gonna
Speaker 3: break down the match. Now you're afraid of it. So
Speaker 3: why don't I give this a few hours and see
Speaker 3: what the actual information is and then decide if I
Speaker 3: want to talk about it tomorrow or the next day.
Speaker 3: And then I did, and I'm like, God, damn man,
Speaker 3: this thing's complicated, like definitely not a transgender issue at all.
Speaker 3: But also, if I'm to believe the Russian Boxing Federation,
Speaker 3: which by the way, I don't believe, but it seems
Speaker 3: to be compelling evidence she might have been born DSD.
Speaker 3: A little confused, but it also seems like so so wait,
Speaker 3: so she definitely woman, been a woman in her whole life,
Speaker 3: by the way, from a conservative Muslim nation where transgender
Speaker 3: is not a thing because not allowed. But did she
Speaker 3: have a physical advantage? Oh okay, I get that argument,
Speaker 3: all right. I now have the information, still a little confused. Luckily,
Speaker 3: I'm under no obligation to talk about this because again,
Speaker 3: it's the quarterfinals of the women's boxing at the Olympics,
Speaker 3: so we'll just let this one pass. And the amount
Speaker 3: of people that were like prominent people that were like, well,
Speaker 3: it's fucking showing up on Elon Musk's propaganda machine, so
Speaker 3: it must be the story to talk about. So I'm
Speaker 3: going to on the front and be like, I don't
Speaker 3: know what I'm talking about, but let's talk about it,
Speaker 3: like what are you doing? What are you doing? Like
Speaker 3: what you and the reason, like you said, the reason
Speaker 3: folks I believe talked about that knowing they didn't know
Speaker 3: anything was because they didn't want people to tweet to them.
Speaker 3: You're afraid to talk about it. They didn't. They were
Speaker 3: trying to get out in front of And I'm going
Speaker 3: to say one other thing on this, because it's the
Speaker 3: justification a lot that certain folks make when they talk
Speaker 3: about stuff before they have all the information or they're wrong.
Speaker 3: Is listen I say on the front end, I don't
Speaker 3: know everything. You know, it's kind of casual, I'm not
Speaker 3: that bright whatever. It is. Always be leary of folks
Speaker 3: who every time they make one of those mistakes is
Speaker 3: slanted in the same direction. Right, if you're just a
Speaker 3: dumb guy, that's just like hey, we're just talking. Then
Speaker 3: you'll make mistakes in both directions. Then sometimes you'll say
Speaker 3: something that is wildly wrong on the conservative side, and
Speaker 3: sometimes you'll say things that are wildly wrong on the
Speaker 3: liberal side. Sometimes you'll say things wildly wrong on you know,
Speaker 3: the the you'll vary your mistakes. In my experience, what
Speaker 3: tends to happen is folks consistently make this mistake slanted
Speaker 3: in the same direction of the people yelling at them
Speaker 3: on the internet, and then they're like, well, I told you,
Speaker 3: I'm not that bright, Like, eh, I don't know, seem
Speaker 3: bright enough to never make the mistake in the other direction.
Speaker 3: So in some certain things you're okay on So yeah,
Speaker 3: I was. I called demandse my son, who I do
Speaker 3: the podcast with that night. I was like, man, I
Speaker 3: was like, we should be proud of the podcast we
Speaker 3: did today. He's like why. I was like, because we
Speaker 3: didn't make the mistake so many people made, which is
Speaker 3: talk about a serious, real life issue that by the way,
Speaker 3: that's a real human being that has to go back
Speaker 3: to her country all of it when we had none
Speaker 3: of the information, just because Twitter was yelling at us
Speaker 3: to do it. Well, it's.
Speaker 1: I had texted Bob Costas once he was on Bill
Speaker 1: Maher talking about this, and he used the word murky,
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm very not suspicious, but I'm very unimpressed
Speaker 1: by people who have strident positions on difficult topics. So
Speaker 1: I actually interviewed with a friend of mine, Joe Donlin,
Speaker 1: had a podcast he's debuting in Chicago. He asked me
Speaker 1: about it, and my take was, and again, I'm not
Speaker 1: ducking anything, I said Joe. During COVID, I watched people
Speaker 1: who work to check out at Costco lecturing doctor Fauci
Speaker 1: on vaccines, like that's embarrassing, Like I don't know everything.
Speaker 1: It saved lives. It could have come from a lab.
Speaker 1: I don't know. And I told him in regards to this,
Speaker 1: I said, I have to trust the IOC. They have
Speaker 1: medical boards. I said, these governing bodies on these incredibly
Speaker 1: difficult situations. It's not like the same decision you had
Speaker 1: deciding where to put the restrooms in a stadium, Like
Speaker 1: it's not. They literally spent hours, days, weeks knowing this
Speaker 1: would be difficult, and at some point success matters. Fauci's
Speaker 1: history matters. Sick Mark Cuban successful, he knows more than
Speaker 1: you and me on business, like the Olympic Committee didn't
Speaker 1: just haphazard least, Hey, what do you think let's flip
Speaker 1: a coin.
Speaker 3: Well, also, here's the other thing, And this is where
Speaker 3: I'm super skeptical. If you were to be like Nick,
Speaker 3: what do you know more than the average person about?
Speaker 3: And what are you nearly an expert in? Be like, Okay,
Speaker 3: it's a narrow that's a narrow thing, but I have things.
Speaker 3: I certainly am almost an expert in broadcasting just because
Speaker 3: I've done it my whole career. I'm I think i'm,
Speaker 3: you know, almost an expert, if not an expert in
Speaker 3: sports history and you know, data and information and I
Speaker 3: oddly I am not an expert, but I know way
Speaker 3: more than the average person about American history, most notably
Speaker 3: from the beginning of the Civil War to the passage
Speaker 3: of the Civil Rights Act because that one hundred years,
Speaker 3: I've really studied other stuff, you know, I just know
Speaker 3: what I know. Folks that somehow on every hot button
Speaker 3: issue have it clocked like, oh, you're full of shit,
Speaker 3: Like there's no chance you have the informed opinion on
Speaker 3: the origin of COVID, how vaccines are made, chromosoonal issues
Speaker 3: in regards to transgenderism. Those three topics have nothing to
Speaker 3: do with each other. You got them all down, Like,
Speaker 3: that's a very unique set of skills you're dealing with here.
Speaker 3: And by the way, you also seem to, you know,
Speaker 3: dabble when necessary in you know the best ways to
Speaker 3: put down social unrest within a city if there's a riot.
Speaker 3: You know that one who the next vice president of
Speaker 3: the United States should be picked based on electoral maps?
Speaker 3: You know that one. Like you're all phony experts, you're
Speaker 3: all you all are just so coughing. You know this.
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan couldn't hit a baseball, and he's arguably the
Speaker 1: best athlete in NBA history. I mean couldn't hit a baseball.
Speaker 1: Randy Moss tried to play basketball, so did Roy Jones.
Speaker 3: Guys, oh, I left one out. Sorry, I left one out.
Speaker 3: By the way, in the middle of those other things,
Speaker 3: you became a legit expert on Eastern European wars and
Speaker 3: the best way to litigate those like I don't. I
Speaker 3: I don't believe you. I just don't.
Speaker 4: What I believe is you know the way you want
Speaker 4: the world to be, and you will pretend you have
Speaker 4: the expertise to give yourself the authority on how it
Speaker 4: should be.
Speaker 1: Well, I told you, I've told you there's an explosion.
Speaker 1: This will take a few minutes. But there's been an
Speaker 1: explosion in conspiracy theories over the last ten years. And
Speaker 1: it's actually very explainable. I mean, there was always the
Speaker 1: occasional conspiracy theory. It is now an epidemic. Why because
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists need an explanation for all the cultural changes.
Speaker 1: We've had more cultural changes due to the technology that
Speaker 1: is in front of us than ever before. And people
Speaker 1: studies have shown that are conspiracy theorists tend to need answers.
Speaker 1: They're not as culturally irrelevant, they're not as socioeconomically relevant,
Speaker 1: they're not as popular as they think they deserve, and
Speaker 1: so they need answers. So they say, well, this is
Speaker 1: why this is happening. It's rigged, not even elections. Just
Speaker 1: so what you're finding, there's an explosion of conspiracy theories
Speaker 1: and they're by people that want simple answers that things
Speaker 1: changed and they can't explain it. And I mean, they're
Speaker 1: doing studies on conspiracy theories. Why are they exploding? And
Speaker 1: it's because tech has I mean, good God, in my business.
Speaker 1: In the last three years, the whole fucking thing has
Speaker 1: turned upside down. My whole business, I mean, podcasts didn't exist.
Speaker 1: Now I own a company. You know that's a podcast company.
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole world's changed. Radio and cable TV,
Speaker 1: my favorites, they're regressing fast quickly. So again it's what
Speaker 1: I have gotten to a point where the conspiracy theory
Speaker 1: guy is it's like sports fan every time their team loses, says,
Speaker 1: well it was rigged, or it's the officials. I just
Speaker 1: don't have time, like I just I know people Joe Rogan,
Speaker 1: but it's like Joe, not everything is a conspiracy.
Speaker 3: Come on, well, but so listen, and again I'm fine
Speaker 3: with healthy skepticism. I'm fine with that. I'm fine with
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, with not taking you know,
Speaker 3: just what the government tells you as gospel immediately as
Speaker 3: they tell you. A great fine with I'm fine with
Speaker 3: all of that. It's healthy, what right, what I'm what
Speaker 3: I'm honestly and this is and then all you know,
Speaker 3: this is finished the glass of wine, which means I'm
Speaker 3: probably being maybe a little more casual with my thoughts
Speaker 3: than I otherwise would be. What I'm not fine with
Speaker 3: is people that I know to be dumb pretending they
Speaker 3: have figured out super complicated issues. I'm just not okay
Speaker 3: with it. And you mentioned and I'm not listen. I'm
Speaker 3: not trying to shit talk Joe Rogan. But I saw,
Speaker 3: you know, the clips from his last stand up, the
Speaker 3: one that just came out, Yeah, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 3: this is the guy. This guy is the one that
Speaker 3: is shaping public opinion on really important things. The guy
Speaker 3: that thought it was on the board that the State
Speaker 3: of the Union was a taped speech because he hadn't
Speaker 3: quite figured out the entire Congress, including two hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty Republicans, are there standing or booing or clapping. That
Speaker 3: guy's a thought leader on everything. By the way, Joe
Speaker 3: Rogan definitively thought leader and deserved on UFC stuff, how
Speaker 3: to build a popular podcast, maybe number one draft pick
Speaker 3: in the world on those two topics. You don't get
Speaker 3: to be the thought leader on every topic. I mean,
Speaker 3: I guess you do, but you're not going to be incredible.
Speaker 3: And that's why that's why to bring it back to
Speaker 3: where you started on this, I don't get there are
Speaker 3: so many times people are like, you're afraid to talk
Speaker 3: about and the answer is no, I, who have a
Speaker 3: pretty big ego, have the humility to know, Man, there's
Speaker 3: people that know a hell of a lot more about
Speaker 3: this than me. I'm gonna let them figure it out,
Speaker 3: at least the beginning parts of it before I form
Speaker 3: my opinion. And it's so hard right now for folks
Speaker 3: to a agree on what a trusted sources in order
Speaker 3: to get the data to form an opinion. And it's
Speaker 3: so hard for people to say, man, that one's hard,
Speaker 3: that one's complicated. Nobody wants nothing. For some reason, nothing's
Speaker 3: allowed to be complicated. Like I again, I will. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna wade into really murky ground, but I'm going to
Speaker 3: go ahead and say it, and I'm not afraid to.
Speaker 3: I think basically all foreign wars are complicated, and I
Speaker 3: haven't dedicated my life to figuring that out. I know
Speaker 3: some people have. And I'm a really smart guy. I
Speaker 3: don't know much about a lot of the rest of
Speaker 3: the world. I know nothing about warfare. And the number
Speaker 3: of people who just confidently say no, this is black
Speaker 3: and white and simple, and here's how you fix it,
Speaker 3: Like here's how you fix it, Like, man, if it
Speaker 3: was that easily fixable, I think it had been fixed.
Speaker 3: Like I'm not acting like nothing is simple, But the
Speaker 3: amount of people that just rush to this super complicated
Speaker 3: issue that multiple PhDs are trying to figure out I
Speaker 3: solved during my lunch break, I just don't buy. I
Speaker 3: just don't trust those people. I just don't trust those people.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think they should be taken seriously.
Speaker 1: I just watched the documentary on Iran Contra Oliver North
Speaker 1: and it was so good and so fascinating and it
Speaker 1: took years and years and years for it to get uncovered.
Speaker 1: They still don't have all the answers.
Speaker 3: But where was that? What was that on? What service?
Speaker 3: Do you know?
Speaker 1: I think it was? I think it was Netflix. I
Speaker 1: mean I I basically in the football season, I don't
Speaker 1: watch it, and then once the football season ends, I watch.
Speaker 3: It every day.
Speaker 1: Like my my viewing is documentary, yeah, Labor Day until
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and then I just go documentaries Netflix. That's
Speaker 1: where I go and so and I. By the way,
Speaker 1: I don't have time. I get one or two really
Speaker 1: good books a year, maybe three, and I do it
Speaker 1: when I fly. That's why I like to fly. It
Speaker 1: forces me to sit down and you know, really dive
Speaker 1: into a book. I'm gonna do it this week when
Speaker 1: I fly to Chicago. But my my history books are
Speaker 1: documentaries and i'll watch two, like like, i'll watch two
Speaker 1: or three on a Saturday before I go out.
Speaker 3: Yep, love it. By the way, that's the the I'll
Speaker 3: give one. I'm gonna plug one one podcast that's not
Speaker 3: mine or yours, but is a it's a popular ones,
Speaker 3: but it's also there's a podcast called Hardcore History.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think the guy releases three a year. They're four
Speaker 3: to five hours long. And when like I listened to
Speaker 3: him when I play poker, and it's you know, it's like, hey,
Speaker 3: you ever wondered how Alexander the Great became Alexander the Great? Well,
Speaker 3: here's four hours on his father for real, and that's
Speaker 3: what it is. And it's this guy basically reading you
Speaker 3: a book on you know, world hist but it's you know,
Speaker 3: his podcast. But I'm the reason I thought of that
Speaker 3: is I love that podcast. But during football season, I
Speaker 3: can't even listen to that during football because during football
Speaker 3: season there's so much watching a football, consuming football information,
Speaker 3: doing all this stuff and then those other six months
Speaker 3: a year, I can try to become a well rounded
Speaker 3: human being. But you know, I only got a month
Speaker 3: left because then football's coming again.
Speaker 1: Remember when the Hollywood writers went on strike and every
Speaker 1: that lasted. Remember that I had a theory that Netflix
Speaker 1: knows when it gains and loses subscribers. The streaming services
Speaker 1: all do. And one of the reasons that this this
Speaker 1: strike was happening a big chunk of it during the
Speaker 1: football season is they wanted to clean up all their
Speaker 1: books because when the streaming services started, Remember, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: you are trying. You are trying to buy who could
Speaker 1: buy the globe first, who could win the global race
Speaker 1: because we'd maxed out on domestic subscribers, and so all
Speaker 1: of them blew through their budgets only none of them,
Speaker 1: even Netflix for a long time didn't make any money.
Speaker 1: And eventually they're like, okay, the subs are we've kind
Speaker 1: of reached we've reached mass consumption. And they looked at
Speaker 1: their books and said, shit, we've got to clean these up.
Speaker 1: All of them did, outside of Netflix. They all had to.
Speaker 1: So they decided to strike during the football season, saying
Speaker 1: this is the time that nobody we lose subs. We're
Speaker 1: not going to do We're not going to do heavy
Speaker 1: production during this time. We're just going to rerun a
Speaker 1: lot of our stuff because this is the time of
Speaker 1: the year that the people to watch us don't like sports.
Speaker 1: If you do, we just lose men. And then the
Speaker 1: minute you get close to the end of the football season,
Speaker 1: they got the strike figured out, They're like, okay, now
Speaker 1: we have to create new stuff because here come the
Speaker 1: men and women back into our streaming service. And that
Speaker 1: was my you.
Speaker 3: Know, I mean, like, I don't know if that's totally right,
Speaker 3: totally wrong, or somewhere in between, but it's a good theory.
Speaker 3: I whether it's right, by the way, I don't you know.
Speaker 1: As I say, Joe Rogan has a few two committee
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories. That's my big one.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But so that's the thing. And this is where
Speaker 3: we can leave it, because you and I both do
Speaker 3: traffic in somewhat wacky ideas theories. Hey, this occurred to me.
Speaker 3: But to go back to where we started, it's all
Speaker 3: about the fluff of life. Like I don't I feel
Speaker 3: entitled entitled the wrong word, but I'll use it. I
Speaker 3: feel totally entitled to come on your show and be like, hey,
Speaker 3: I just got a feeling Dak and Bill Belichick are
Speaker 3: going to be both with the Giant next year. And
Speaker 3: but and and if someone's like, what's that based on him? Like,
Speaker 3: my gut, it makes sense. I know enough about Bill
Speaker 3: and Dak and the salary cap that it's plausible, and
Speaker 3: I just think it makes sense. But if you were
Speaker 3: to really push me on it, like well, or have
Speaker 3: you talked to anyone? No? Of course not. Have you
Speaker 3: do you know Bill? No? Do you know Dak? No?
Speaker 3: Do you know the mar family? No? I just it's
Speaker 3: my gut feeling. So really I don't know anything, but
Speaker 3: it makes sense and I and I truly think it's
Speaker 3: gonna happen. What I wouldn't do is be like, here's
Speaker 3: why the vaccine was a fraud. It's like, oh, wasn't it.
Speaker 3: Have you studied this?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: Have you did you talk to anyone? No? Do you
Speaker 3: do you know anything? No? I'm just guessing. It's just
Speaker 3: my gut because that shit matters, like it's I think,
Speaker 3: having wacky, fun gut feeling theories. It's nice things about
Speaker 3: being about sport in sports. Yes, if I'm wrong the
Speaker 3: day and then I then we should go. It's been
Speaker 3: ninety minutes. The biggest day of my career was July fourth,
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, filling in for you because three minutes before
Speaker 3: the show started, Kevin Durant picked the Warriors and ESPN
Speaker 3: and ESPN two was in Wimbledon. I was filling in
Speaker 3: for you because it's fourth of July and the biggest
Speaker 3: story in the sports world. I'm the only person you know.
Speaker 3: I'm We're the only network doing it, and I it's
Speaker 3: my second time ever filling in for you, and I
Speaker 3: still to this day, I think that day changed my
Speaker 3: whole career. The Herd popped a huge number. I handled
Speaker 3: it well and whatever. That day on the air, on
Speaker 3: the air, biggest day of my career. I floated the
Speaker 3: idea that what if this is just a double cross
Speaker 3: Kevin Durant was doing. This has been lost to the history,
Speaker 3: which was because when because Durant couldn't sign yet, he
Speaker 3: could just verbally commit, but in order to do that,
Speaker 3: the Warriors had to let Harrison Barnes leave. And I
Speaker 3: was like, what if Durant is actually planning on staying
Speaker 3: with Oklahoma City but they just blew a three to
Speaker 3: one lead to Golden State, and he wants to make
Speaker 3: them worse, so he tells them I'm coming. They let
Speaker 3: Harrison Barnes leave, and then on July seventh, when he
Speaker 3: can sign, he does the ultimate villain move, which is like,
Speaker 3: I'm not going anywhere. I'm staying with the Thunder. To
Speaker 3: this day, it's one of my favorite sports theories ever.
Speaker 3: It was totally ridiculous. It had no chance. He wrote
Speaker 3: an article for the What Have the Players Tribune, but
Speaker 3: I really believed. I was like, I know, legally he
Speaker 3: can do this. It would be an amazing thing. And
Speaker 3: I talked about it on the air thirty minutes after
Speaker 3: he signed with the Warriors. I was like, unless it
Speaker 3: was just wacky, goofy stuff, fun, but it's sports, so
Speaker 3: gives a ship like it's totally fine. That's why our
Speaker 3: job's the best.
Speaker 1: My most important day was this moment because I live
Speaker 1: in the moment and this podcast.
Speaker 3: What a jerk.
Speaker 1: All right, buddy, this was great.
Speaker 3: This is great. I'll talk to you later, see it
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