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Speaker 1: you stand with on X. Okay, yanni, Uh, since you're

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Speaker 1: not like the you know you're not a co host anymore, Um,

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Speaker 1: Well i'd like you to do is um do like

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Speaker 1: do that. All of a sudden, Um, the ice beneath

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Speaker 1: you gotta jump in. Carry the flag. So let's hear it,

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Speaker 1: so like like, you gotta set everything up right, you

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Speaker 1: gotta make listeners feel like they're here. Morning, folks. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad you can join us today on Hunting and Fishing

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Speaker 1: with Yanni. Steve's gone, he floated underneath the ice. That's

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Speaker 1: what you're gonna call the show now, Yeah, Hunting and

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Speaker 1: Fishing with Yannie, Like, yeah, Jimmy Miller came up with

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Speaker 1: voyeur something? No warriors when you get your jolly's off

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Speaker 1: of what someone else is doing. Well, what do you

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Speaker 1: be sharing many times that Jimmy Miller wants found a

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Speaker 1: Taylor he um, should we have a little moment, you know,

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Speaker 1: and stuff like he's still here, just divvy it up

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Speaker 1: He's scarred into like marriage. Uh, scarred into marriage, scarred

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Speaker 1: WHOA last place you looked? Last place she looked? Um? Right? Oh,

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Speaker 1: At the first knockle oh, he says, happy Valentine's Day?

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Speaker 1: organic matter. That's a good rule. Because we were just

424
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: kind of like younger and not didn't really think things

425
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: through as much. We would sliced potatoes very thin, Yeah,

426
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 1: and then drop sliced potatoes down the whole to where

427
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: you got a nice white bed on the floor wild

428
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: so you can see the fish pass over it because

429
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: it was deep, murky water and you'd have those taters

430
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: down there. But what's funny about it is there a current.

431
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: So you guys have some dude outside the hut drill

432
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: a hole and the current would vary. So some guy

433
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: outside the hut would drill a hole and fired down

434
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: the potato slice and you yell out like a little

435
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: farther and they gotta go and drill another hole and

436
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: drop tato slice and you're staring down your hole and

437
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: try to see that if also when he's out on

438
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: bull's eye, it's like live ammo. You know. Then you

439
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: start firing in tat slices because they're they're bombing in

440
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: at the right spot. But my brother Danny, he really

441
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: kind of pioneered this for our group of friends. And

442
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: uh but man, you'd fish all you well, you like

443
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: drinking fish all day to get a handful of these fish.

444
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: But man, was it fun. And then you're shandy. You

445
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: had to have your name on your shane. Remember one

446
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,959
Speaker 1: year they had their name on the shanty. But this

447
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: thing froze in like wood and it throws into a degree.

448
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: You weren't getting it off, so they tried to just

449
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: leave it begin being young and dumb, they tried to

450
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: just leave it, and then they got a note us

451
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: like get your shanny, and they came out and had

452
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: to burn that son of a bit out of the ice.

453
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: There was no getting it out of the ice, which

454
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: is also illegal most places. So I wonder if there's

455
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: like a middle ground there where you could be like, well,

456
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: I put a bunch of pontoons. I fixed a bunch

457
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: of pontoons to the shannon and tied it to the beach,

458
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: waiting for it to float. All right, So I'm sorry, guys, No,

459
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: that was a good divergence. And I've never I've never

460
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: done I mean, I've done open water ocean spear fishing before,

461
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: but I've never done ice spearing before. The difference being

462
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: that you're throwing a spear through a hole in the ice. Yeah,

463
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: it's really but it's a it's a hell of a

464
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: lot of fun. I didn't know how I was gonna

465
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: feel about it. You know, there's a lot of sitting

466
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: and waiting, and I didn't know how that was gonna go.

467
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: But man, I I don't know about you, Johnny, but

468
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: I thought that was that was great. I'm gonna have

469
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: like a final wrap up thought comparing general ice fishing,

470
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: like what we're doing now to spe Oh no, I

471
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: haven't got it. You haven't even started yet. I know

472
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: I have a lot to go through. Because you want

473
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: to talk about the sturgeon. Yeah, so, uh yeah, we

474
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: speared there and then we went over to Lake Winning

475
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: Bank explained the process. You want to get deep here.

476
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to. I want you to tell people about

477
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,719
Speaker 1: because you've engaged in three kinds of spearing, northern spearing,

478
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: white fish spearing, sturgeon sparing. True, but the white fish

479
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: and the northern sparing was through the same hole. And no,

480
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: but they're not drawn to the same thing they are. Yes,

481
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: we were using the same decoys. Oh, you know, we

482
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: used to use the lure men. Sorry, In amongst the

483
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: tator slices, we're a lot of boiled the smallest macaroni

484
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: you could find boiled. And you felt like that was

485
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: chilling him. You do I feel like it eating the macaroni? Yes,

486
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: I bet they were taking them for a little grubs

487
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: that look just like CM knows in and he's picked

488
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: the macaroni that landed off target and watch him and

489
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: the son's bitches to be down there eating maxi. So

490
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: why were you were you spearing him because that was

491
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: the only legal method of take Why weren't you fishing

492
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: with macaroni? Uh? These were a species of whitefish called

493
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: monominee and they have a they have a mouth that

494
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: would make like the pupil of your eye look big too.

495
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: But they would go down and kind of it's just

496
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: like very hard to hook. Uh. And it was deep

497
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: and you didn't throw the spear. It was a very

498
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: heavy weighted spear with very fine needles, many needles, probably

499
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: like twenty needles across. We used to make our own.

500
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: We made some of her own. Uh. And it wasn't

501
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: like a fan blade that you could propel that you

502
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: couldn't like you know that white Some of those white

503
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: fish spears have like a what's the word I'm looking

504
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: for plane, like the even plane them like you could

505
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: shoot off at an angle. This you would have to

506
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: hold over it directly over the fish eyeball down it

507
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: and just open your fingers and let it fall. And

508
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: it was waited like you take a pipe and fill

509
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: the pipe of lead, and out of that pipe with

510
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: all these needles and drop it on them them the

511
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: bottom but small little fish, but there's no way they'd

512
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: come into the same lure you'd use for a northern.

513
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: So you're picking up fishing taters at the same time

514
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: fishing taters. It's funny you mentioned that because you're right

515
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: now and then you would get a tater. You could

516
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 1: get a tater on your thing. I'm like, I'm like

517
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: a poser. Danny and and our friend Matt Rolls were

518
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: they were like the guys that they pioneered it. I

519
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: just would go up and visit them and and I'd

520
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: go out there and you know, basically be like mooching

521
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: off them, like their ship, their spot there, no how

522
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: and I'd be it sounds fun right, Yeah, we wanted

523
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: to do that. Like I said, when we were spearing

524
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: for the pike and whitefish, were not allowed to put

525
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: anything down that you couldn't retrieve, and the water was

526
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: pretty clear. We were only spearing probably five six ft

527
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: right um where you could really see the whole bottom,

528
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: which was sweet because when the perch came in. Of

529
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: course they did that when we didn't have a rod ready,

530
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: and then the next day we had a rod ready,

531
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: the perch didn't come in, but you could just sit

532
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: there and watch them hanging out doing their thing, and

533
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,719
Speaker 1: you know it's nice you just watching watching the the

534
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: plant life down there moving around the current. When you're

535
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: just staring into a hole that where there's no bottom,

536
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: it's a little bit tougher. You know, it doesn't have

537
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: quite have that slow TV field because you're you're fishing

538
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: northeast in such deep water slow I mean sorry, shallow

539
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: where we could see the bottom very well, so we

540
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: didn't need staring into a hole with no bottom. Well

541
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: that comes later. That that's the sturgeon. Can you do it?

542
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: Can you discuss this form in a way that it's outlined,

543
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: like what the how we moved through the tour? Is

544
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: that what you're asking? No, I want to outline by fish,

545
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: So picture like Roman numeral one, yeah, and under that

546
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: is what I'm also like fishing, so I might not

547
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: miss something. But what are we on right now? We're

548
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 1: still on pike and whitefish at the at the first stop. Okay,

549
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: But but I don't want to talk about them in

550
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: the same way. But well it's hard not to because

551
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: we were doing the exact same thing. One would just

552
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: show up or the other one. We literally changed nothing,

553
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: nothing same speeds, same decoy, same whole, same everything I

554
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: do it. Um. Yeah, so well, if you really want

555
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: to start a step one, we went out there, we

556
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 1: drilled a hole. We drilled, drilled, and then peeked down

557
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: into that hole with the jacket over are our heads

558
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: to check for clarity and for depth. And when Mark

559
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: felt like we had both of those nails, and what

560
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: did he like? Uh again that you know? I think

561
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 1: he was looking at five to six ft of depth

562
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: and looking for just good clarity so that we could

563
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: see fish coming through and a hole in the weeds

564
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: that were looking And you want, you want to have

565
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: a sandy spot in the weeds that you can look at,

566
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: um for visibility. Yeah, not that you couldn't clear some

567
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: some plant matter out of the way once you drilled

568
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: your spirit hole. But then it would, you know, muck

569
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: it all up. It would take a while to settle out.

570
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: So it's better just to find a hole for better visibility.

571
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: I'm realizing how much I missed you just hear you

572
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: explain this. Um. Oh thanks, that's nice. Um. Then we

573
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: drilled I think six holes kind of like what we

574
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: have here right in front of us. UM in a

575
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: rough three by four ft um pattern and then connected

576
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: those drilled holes by using a hand powered saw that

577
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: was specifically made for um cutting ice. Is it like

578
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: my ice saw? I don't know if I've seen your saw,

579
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: but like a you know, solid three foot blade folding folds.

580
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: Was it blue blade? Yeah? It was to have a

581
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: pin that. Yeah. You know, we used two different manual now,

582
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: one of them was that blue one. And the teeth

583
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: the teeth very far apart on it. Yeah, yeah, it

584
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: cuts surprisingly well. I was, I was shut out. I

585
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: bought one for beaver trapping, but just never used it.

586
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: I used the acts and stuff. So we cut a

587
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: hole and here we removed I say here because later

588
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: when we did some surgeons fishing, we also cut a

589
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: hole and we did something different with the ice um

590
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: that we cut there, but here we removed it, put

591
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: screws in it and pull it out. You know, it

592
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: kind of broke apart. And so uh, he just had

593
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: these giant tongs, giant metal tongs that you could grab

594
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: these big chunks with and yank yank them out ice tonks. Yeah,

595
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: and uh it works pretty slick. And I think it's

596
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: additive when I tell you little things that I think of.

597
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: I think that it's uh, it's just part of the deal.

598
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: And my sister in law's ranch they still have they

599
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: have a pond that was made for their ranch. Is

600
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: some old ass ranch. Yeah, I've walked across that. They

601
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: still have a pond called the ice pond, and they

602
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: still have the ice house. That's awesome next to the pond.

603
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: And the pond was made for the purpose of like

604
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: it would freeze, you would cut ice and drag it

605
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: into the ice house for the summer. That's really still

606
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: sitting there. That's amazing. Go on, Um, So we remove

607
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: the ice and then we set up a dark house.

608
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: Very important when you're spearing that the inside of your

609
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: shelter is black dark. It's colored dark. Yeah, I mean

610
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: not all of them are, but I thinking helps because

611
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: what you're trying to do is limit the reflection, any

612
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: sort of reflection onto that open piece of water that

613
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: you've just created. So you also throw snow all around

614
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: the edges so you're not letting in any you know,

615
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: light coming. The only light you want is the stuff

616
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: that's going through the ice outside of your shanty or

617
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: pop up tent and then coming up through the hole.

618
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: I just thought of something. Tell me. Uh, this guy

619
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: rode in and his body had his fish finder down,

620
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 1: and the guy was fiddling around his own hole next

621
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: to him, and his body's like, sees something, you can't

622
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: tell what it is. When he sees something dropping m hm,

623
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: and they think it's like a fish. They can't tell

624
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: what the fish is doing, like the fishes at the

625
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: surface but drop down. And later the other guy realizes

626
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: his phone was gone, the heat on on his flash

627
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: er he'd watched. The guys were go on, I'm done.

628
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just gonna keep my thoughts. That's too bad.

629
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 1: We don't believe you. I'll make a bet. No I woke.

630
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: It's so annoying. Gone. Um. So there we were inside

631
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 1: of our blacked out I sent miles were using an

632
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 1: Eskimo I sent similar to this one. Weren't we exactly

633
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: like this one? One time I was out ice fishing.

634
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: I'm joking and uh, I'm trying to think. Well, oh yeah,

635
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: so the decoys, the decoys are a huge part of spearing,

636
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: and Mark had decoys from maybe even as a grandfather,

637
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: from grandpa, and just like they hit it in a

638
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: really cool old school briefcase. Yeah, the briefcase was a hundred.

639
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: The briefcase was as cool as the decoys that were inside,

640
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: Like a legit briefcase. Yeah, yeah, like you know how

641
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: it is. It's like random briefcase laying around nobody's using.

642
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: Let's put the decoys in there, and so it was

643
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: handed down. I think he said that he had he

644
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: had a sort of share it with his brothers, but

645
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: he he was the keeper of the briefcase. Pretty funny. Yeah,

646
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: I just dug a briefcase out of the dumpster there

647
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: at my condo complex. I don't know what I'm gonna

648
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: do with it. I just didn't feel like it should

649
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,439
Speaker 1: have got thrown away someone else. You found Cal's story.

650
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: I want everybody to know. This is something Cal thought of,

651
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: not me, but it got me thinking about what he

652
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: was already telling me yesterday. Go ahead, Kel, I don't

653
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,959
Speaker 1: know what you're going on, but I found two pairs

654
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: of boots in there too, what I'm talking about, And

655
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like either one of one brand spanking new,

656
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: the other one spanking new ditch diggers. Yeah yeah, irrigation boots.

657
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 1: And then the other set is like a nice pair

658
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: of ropers that just need a little bit of love,

659
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: but the souls like leather soles and totally in good shape.

660
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: So then Cal's got to go hunting around for a home.

661
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 1: And those the ropers that you left at my house,

662
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: those are the ropers I left at your house. Yes,

663
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: what a mystery. I've been asking everybody, and he's like,

664
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Like, yeah, there's a pair

665
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: of boots out there with heels on him, laces done.

666
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 1: Nobody knew, Well, I asked, I asked your wife if

667
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: if she, I was like, I don't want to leave

668
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: these with you. If they just turn into something that

669
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: then you have to go take the goodwill, right. But yeah, anyway,

670
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: I got this neighbor who keeps like, if you want,

671
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: there's a government building right next door that's got a

672
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: recycling dumpster for cardboard. And this dude like just the

673
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: amount of cardboard that is in the dumpster like clogs

674
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: the whole dumpster with cardboard that is totally recyclable, which

675
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: ticks me off. And then he's always throwing away brand

676
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: new stuff. So I'm always every time it makes me

677
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: not want to go to the trash is every time

678
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: I go to the dumpster, I'm climbing in the damn thing,

679
00:41:48,920 --> 00:42:10,479
Speaker 1: pulling stuff out, saving the world cattle. Yeah go and

680
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: uh yeah. The decoy with the pike and the white fish.

681
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: We had a decoy stick which had line just between

682
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: like two small nails that were pounded into the stick.

683
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: Line wrapped around it, so you could just length of

684
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: the line down your decoy and one guy if you

685
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: if your spear with two guys, one guy sits there

686
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: and and uh works the decoy stick. And the decoys

687
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: have fins on them that aren't there just for looks,

688
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: but actually you can tweak them. They're usually like alluminum,

689
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: so you can adjust them, and how how much the

690
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: decoy um sort of planes out, and how wide of

691
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: a circle it makes when you drop it, so you

692
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: can sort of, you know, jake it fast, jake it slow,

693
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: and then just let it glide. And some of them,

694
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: if you bring to the top of the hole, they'll

695
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 1: glide for I don't know, ten seconds before it quits moving.

696
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: Were these guys not into the Are they not into

697
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: that little real there's a real you hang from your know,

698
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: some guys will do the pulley system. None of the

699
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: people we were with did they go direct Rod yeah,

700
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: I mean it's pretty. It's not even calling a rod

701
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: is not it's a stick jiggin pole. It's just like

702
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 1: a stick you pick up off the ground, a couple

703
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: of nails pound. It looks more like Harry Potter's wand

704
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: than a fish and pole. Do you guys get the impression? Though?

705
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: The actual look of the decoy is a factor or

706
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: is it just something about the size? I think for

707
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: pike it matters, but for none of the others. My

708
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: limited knowledge which is granted, very very small, but it

709
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: seemed to me the pike we're going to be keyed

710
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: into something because they were the only ones that we

711
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: were spearing that are predatory fish. Yeah, and when they

712
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: came in, some of them came in hot, you know,

713
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: and like looking like they're gonna smash your decoy. I

714
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: don't think we actually ever had one want to actually

715
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: eat it, actually eat it. Okay, But well those guys

716
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: like say, ah, this white and red decoy is not working.

717
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try the green and yellow one for sure.

718
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 1: It ain't no use. It ain't no use. The red

719
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: and white was actually the hot call was and is

720
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: this stuff that we can look forward to on some footage,

721
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna see it, and then it's so far below

722
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: the ice. Do you want to work that because you

723
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: want to bring them up right, you want to bring

724
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: him up into spear range. Well, the bottom was only

725
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: six ft away, and I speared fish from the bottom

726
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: all the way up to probably two ft below the surface.

727
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: When we used to set tip ups, like if we're

728
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: setting tip ups and tw water, we and this is

729
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: in Michian where you can use live bait, h if

730
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: you're in water, we would we would hang that suckermento

731
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: six ft off the bottom, thinking that he just has

732
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: better chance of seeing it from way the hell off

733
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: rather than it being down high and long. You're like,

734
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: you're imagine him cruising long on the bottom and seeing

735
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: that black suckermento against the white ice. That was always

736
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: the logic, right, Yeah. Then it might be that he's

737
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: reluctant to then leave his little zone maybe, but that

738
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: was a thinking I like that. Yeah, I will say

739
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: I picked up one tip from my own mistake with

740
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: with pike spearing, and uh, and that is when you

741
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: see one coming in, because sometimes you can see him

742
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: a ways away and the one of the only really

743
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: what I think was really big pike that I saw

744
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: coming in. I got a little too excited, spooked him

745
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: and I was like bike guys pike and that things

746
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: blew out. Yeah, he didn't even come to the hall spooked,

747
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: like turned and blew out and coming from a ways

748
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: because of electronics or because my naked eye. Because the

749
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: whole salt. Right, So you got a three by four

750
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: ft hole, and um, you could were your cal i

751
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: sitting are sitting opposite of each other right now here

752
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: in this hut. And so if we had a hole

753
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 1: cut here underneath us, I could probably see well passed

754
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: underneath your butt. Okay, especially if a fish was two

755
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 1: or three ft below the ice and you could see

756
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: the same thing underneath my butt. Did you take that

757
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: saw and angle cut your edge so you get even

758
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 1: better visibility? You know, we had a shallow ice there. Um,

759
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 1: but in a later spearing story we do angle cut it. Yeah,

760
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: that's a good trick. It's it's it's a good trick,

761
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: but it's freaking creepy. When you're sitting there, it looks

762
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: it looks like there's no ice. It's it's a trip.

763
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, so we uh jake, they will decoy around

764
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: and uh. And the thing with decoys is is that

765
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: you can have the one that looks like a fish, redhead,

766
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: white body, chart, shrews, whatever. And then the next thing

767
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: the guys like, yeah, but you know what my favorite

768
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 1: is is this golf ball. And he's got a golf

769
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: ball with an islet sticking out of it, and he

770
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: ties that thing on and sits there, and after ten minutes,

771
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm sorry, but let's go back to the

772
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: fish with the redhead. Um. They got all kinds of

773
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: stuff that they'll put down there, and it's illegal to

774
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: hang a sucker down in there anymore. They changed the

775
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: law in Minnesota. We just found this out that you

776
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: can now we had at one point we had suckers

777
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: on harnesses swimming around down there. Didn't do us any good,

778
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: but we tried it. That rule has changed, did he

779
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: do you remember when he said it changed in the

780
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: last five years. I want to say, like like like

781
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: a fourteen age sucker. No, we were fishing smaller than

782
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: they were, more like four inch suckers. And when you

783
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: say harness, it's like a set of hooks, right, You're

784
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: not like a little handmade little chest harnesses for like

785
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: seeing people with their dogs these days. No, it was

786
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: not hooked. There were no hooks in that that fish

787
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: at all. What purely harnessed? Can you guys explain why

788
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: people would choose to spear rather like kind of as

789
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 1: Steve earlier, but like why were why were you spearing

790
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: instead of fishing? I think a lot of times it's

791
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: way more productive. Well, that's my question. Why we're sitting

792
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 1: here with gigs right now? You know, many paying fish,

793
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: we'd have not many ship because they're down there staring

794
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 1: at it. We don't have a camera down by guarante

795
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: either down there staring at it. I think there are

796
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: a couple of answers that question. One is a lot

797
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: of people get into the historic nature of it, right.

798
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: Spirit has been around for a long time. It's it's

799
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: a tradition. You know, Mark, who we were experiing with,

800
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: was taught by his grandfather, who was taught by who

801
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: knows before him, and for him there's a sense of

802
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: nostalgia and pride in continuing that tradition. So I think

803
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: I think for some folks that's part of it. Um

804
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: with the white fish and the pike, I don't know, man,

805
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: I think we probably would have done better just standard fishing.

806
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: But it's so much fun. It's so interactive and engaging

807
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: because you're just looking into this hole and you can

808
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: see him coming in. If you're not like me and

809
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: get all excited and spooked fish, they actually come in

810
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: and you can spire him. That to me was it's

811
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: a different way of fishing, and I found it to

812
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: be differently satisfying. And then we haven't got there yet.

813
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: Yeahn he hasn't got there yet. But when you get

814
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: to the sturgeon, you're not allowed to fish for them

815
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: with line, So that's the only way that you can

816
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: take one of those fish. Okay, briefcases out you're jigging

817
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: the golf ball. You go back to the red and

818
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: white fish. Um. Yeah. And then eventually, sorry Brodie, eventually

819
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think what the first fish was it

820
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:13,959
Speaker 1: came in. Was it a white fish or a pike?

821
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: To remember. But it's tricky because you're you need to

822
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: make sure you know there's other fish swimming around in

823
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: these lakes that you can't spear, you know, and if

824
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: he's at the bottom, you'll be like, Okay, you gotta

825
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,439
Speaker 1: know for sure what you're what you're throwing a spear act.

826
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 1: There's no catching release, you know, with the old spirit

827
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: giant barbs on it um. So either way, I don't

828
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: I can't remember as a pike or or a white fish.

829
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: But yeah, I got really lucky. I think I ended

830
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 1: up spearing two of each and then I only missed one.

831
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: I had a four out of five hit ratio over

832
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: the course of two days. Yeah, big whitefish. Yeah, they're

833
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: both like, uh, I don't know, it's the twenty three pounders.

834
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: Maybe sounds a bitch. Really, Yeah, those are nice whitefish man, Yeah,

835
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: for sure. Just so folks know, these are not Mountain whitefish.

836
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,479
Speaker 1: These are Great Lakes whitefish, Lake Superior whitefish, right, because

837
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: they're like you call him like Lake white Wish and

838
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,919
Speaker 1: then people get confused. But yeah, lake whitefish. That should

839
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 1: say Great Lakes because they're all over the damn place

840
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: in Alaska. I think I think they're just Lake white Wish. Yeah,

841
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: they're up here in Flathead Lake. But the ones not native.

842
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: They call Lake Superior whitefish because there's both, right, there's

843
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: mountain white fish and ye in those cays. So what

844
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: happens Jonas, Now when you go to hawk the spear.

845
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: Is it a jab? Is it like? Uh, like you're

846
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 1: hawking it. It depends on what what your targets doing.

847
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: Because if he just comes in and then he knows

848
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: the dcoins just sitting there and like Miles said, they

849
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: were spooky and so um, you're holding you know, you

850
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: have your one prong of the spear just stuck in

851
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: on the far side of the ice hole, and so

852
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: when you see the fish comment, you just slowly grab

853
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: it and kind of get it ready the head and

854
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: the heads into the heads below the water so you

855
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: don't get the refraction. Yeah, and uh yeah, if he

856
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: just came in and sitting there looking at the decoy,

857
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: you just slowly moved right on the top of him

858
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: and you can just drop it. But we had other fish,

859
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: like the white fish. Really whether or not they came

860
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: to the decoy hard to say, but they're pretty much

861
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: just swimming through the hole. So it's like, there he is,

862
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: and you're gonna throw because you're you're almost having to

863
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: lead him a little bit. So I might be right

864
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: and that that that white fish doesn't give a shit

865
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: about that big decoy. Absolutely, I saw nothing. I was

866
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: trying to I was trying to like you saw me

867
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 1: trying to like milk it out of your honest, but

868
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: we it's hard to say. I don't think we know

869
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: enough to know that. I never saw a white fish

870
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: that was clearly locked into a decoy. But maybe they

871
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: might have been somewhat interested here that that brought them

872
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 1: to the general area. I don't know. Yeah, no, you're right. Yeah,

873
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 1: I have only speared for whitefish two days. So once

874
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: I've got a hundred days under my belt, I'll give

875
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: you a better answer. You know, I got you watching

876
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: through the ice with a camera. You can lower big

877
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: stuff down. Little teeny fish that have no they can't

878
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: have any notion that they're gonna eat it, are still

879
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: like what the hell's that? Can? They approach it like

880
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: out of curiosity? They're not like zooming in. Did I

881
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: come by and like what the hell is that? And

882
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 1: then just swim off curiosity satisfied. That's something different. I mean,

883
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: you know you're swimming around down there, everything looks more

884
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: or less the same. You see something different, you're probably

885
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: gonna check it out. I've been living in this pond

886
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: for a year. I've never seen that. See. Um. The

887
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: thing about the spearing, though, that. Uh, And this is

888
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: true for both the sturgeon spearing and this white fishing pike,

889
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: is that you really get this feeling much the same

890
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: way you do when you're fishing through an eight inch

891
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: hole and you look out on the expanse of a

892
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: giant frozen lake and you're like, man, we're really hoping

893
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: these fish swim through this twelve square feet you know,

894
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: and not all that other stuff. So you're like, hundreds,

895
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 1: why not have something down there that may attract a fish,

896
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: you know? Yeah, yeah, but uh, yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

897
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: Thank you for any missing any like interesting details about

898
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: the you know, one thing and that that was different

899
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: than than what we did later was the the replacement

900
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: of the ice back into the hole and then setting

901
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: up all the sticks to freeze into the ice just

902
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: from in there, which you know, seems super obvious, but

903
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: I've never done it before, and I hadn't thought of

904
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: that until we got out there and Mark started cutting

905
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 1: brush on the way out. Yeah, where I grew up,

906
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: you put your Christmas tree down in there, because then

907
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: when the ice melts, and this is illegal, but then

908
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: when the ice melts, depending where you are, when the

909
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: ice melts, the tree falls in, and then it supposed

910
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: it's great for croppies. Well, we used to. We had

911
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: Christmas tree sunk and you would catch croppies in the

912
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 1: spring off those Christmas trees. Yeah, this is a separate conversation.

913
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: But the reason that became illegal is because a lot

914
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: of d n R bowed just for going. This is

915
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: changing the pH of the lakes in a really negative way.

916
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: Everybody dunk in their Christmas trees. I'm not advocating. I'm

917
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: just telling you when we were young, like in high

918
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: school and whatnot. Uh, we lived divorced from any divorced

919
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: from knowledge. Just people. Old people did stuff and then

920
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 1: they told you to do it, or you just did

921
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: it too, know that was what you did. Red squirrels

922
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: eat the nuts off fox squirrels. It's just just what happened.

923
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: It's just wait, how how things are. So it's not you.

924
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: You put your tree out of the ice, damn it,

925
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: and so does not do they're comie. When we were

926
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 1: done with Mark and spearing pike and whitefish, Lucas made

927
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: us some nice like I was saying saying earlier, some

928
00:54:54,760 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 1: white fish cakes delicious. So he cooked and then formed

929
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: his patty or formed his patty with raw fish. Raw fish?

930
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, how do you? How do he mince it

931
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 1: hand mints? Right? No, he cooked him first and then

932
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: cooked him just till they were flaking, and then made

933
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: his patties and then quick fry very large chunky pieces

934
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: of flesh in there. You know, it wasn't all super

935
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: shredded like a crab cake. Almost. Oh yeah, very much,

936
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: because I was I got a whole mass at karp

937
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 1: and I was thinking about just running through. The highly

938
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: recommend food processor works good because the bones when you

939
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: food process it the bones, you're cutting the bones up

940
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 1: enough or you don't need to worry about it. What

941
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: my folks used to do with suckers is they didn't

942
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: do this a lot, but they now and then do

943
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: it is caught up the socker, not worry about the

944
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: bones and pressure pressure can it. Yeah, pressure cooking in

945
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: jars and then put the jars on the canning shelf.

946
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: And then anytime you're just go and take that socker

947
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: meat out and the bones would have dissolved, and then

948
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: you make fish cakes with them. Got it? Because the

949
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: pressure cooker just zap the bone, you're gonna have to

950
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 1: shoot me a good fish. I mean, I can whip

951
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: something up. But bomber recipe for going to have one

952
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: up on the website very soon from Lucas Leaf. We

953
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: got one coming. That's a tip. A hot tip on

954
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 1: fish cakes is um just you can just cook your fish.

955
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: Just bake the flame, let it cool, shred it up.

956
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: It's picking bones is easier once it's cooked. Shread it up.

957
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,240
Speaker 1: Make a fish cake good used for leftover fish too.

958
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 1: I got one other tip from Lucas on that that

959
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 1: I really liked, and that was just frying batter, which

960
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: was just cheese. It's put through a blender. Cheese. It's

961
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: pancake mix. Crucial ease pancake mix that you still have

962
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:55,280
Speaker 1: to add egg and milk and whatever, maybe oil, whatever

963
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: else goes into pancake mix. Not the stuff is just

964
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: just add water. That very important to him and I

965
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 1: tried it. It came out good. I tell you gotta

966
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 1: have a good food processor blender for the cheese. It's

967
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: because you've gotta get super fine. You gotta get just

968
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 1: as fine as the pancake mix. Otherwise, you know, when

969
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: you batter in it, you end up the big chunks

970
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: come out first, and then you're just starting to work

971
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: with a finer and finer mix. But yeah, tell me

972
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: about tell me some more efficient delicious. We headed over

973
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: to uh old Lake Winnebago, uh Milax, which means thousand Lakes, Mhma,

974
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: thousand Lakes. I think, just oh, I'm sorry, Yeah, I

975
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: got you now mile Ax, and uh I meant a

976
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: lot of very kind Midwesterners. I mean, I learned a

977
00:57:55,560 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: lot about hospitality and just politeness and um, but you're

978
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,919
Speaker 1: from the Midwest, I know. But growing up there, how

979
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: how you can't you can't you can't. Yeah, you can't

980
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: judge because yeah, you're that's your home place, and all

981
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: you hear about is Southern hospitality. And I'm not gonna

982
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: like really dog on Southerners. I think they're they're pretty hospitable.

983
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: But I'm married into the South and I've really enjoyed

984
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: the hospitality down there. But now, I mean we're living

985
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: out west for two decades and then going back to

986
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: Minnesota and Wisconsin blown away, Like I feel like they're

987
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: people will actually invite you into their house a stranger

988
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: and give you like a place to eat and sleep,

989
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: like just very very nice. I just want to give

990
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: a plug for the old Midwest. So yeah, we went

991
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: over to Middle Axe and where the plan was to go.

992
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: Whileye fishing with Mandy yer You know you're not supposed

993
00:58:55,560 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: to generalize. It's bad to generalize negatively, but general shouldn't

994
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: it be bad to generalize positively? I mean, no one

995
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: people are gonna get less pissed about it. But your

996
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: point is valid at generalized positively, I think it is.

997
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: I mean, that just makes people feel good. The problem

998
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: with generalizing negatively is that it makes people feel shitty.

999
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: Where so we got Mandy Yerke generalizing super nice people.

1000
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: They're super nice people and Mandy Yorke was gonna take

1001
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: h take us fishing for Wally. Tell me about this individual,

1002
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: Mandy Yerke. Uh, Mandy is remember her actual title for

1003
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: the Minnesota DNR. She's like a habitat planning director. She

1004
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: basically works on on all all manner of habitat projects.

1005
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: And I think she even I mean like dumping Christmas

1006
00:59:56,120 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: trees in. I mean it could be. It could be

1007
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: like a brand new um even though it's not like

1008
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: what you think of while life habitat, but it's it's

1009
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: part of land that Minnesota and our manages. But she

1010
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: might work on a new campground one day, infrastructure, and

1011
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: then it could be you know, getting a piece of

1012
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: land is just gonna be used for um, grouse habitat

1013
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: or something. Right. That's sound about right. That good job explaining, Mandy.

1014
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: I hope I'm doing doing your justice here. And then

1015
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: on the side she is a very very busy angler,

1016
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: professional bass angler, and then a recreational angler of just

1017
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: about everything. Um. And that's just now She's got a

1018
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: great story. I can go on for a long time.

1019
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: Just very quickly. She grew up in a family that

1020
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: owned a fishing lodge on Devil's Lake in North Dakota,

1021
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: and Um, out of her whole family, she was cow.

1022
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: You got there an old boot, uh maybe edge of

1023
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: the whole something cal snagged up. Um. She had brothers

1024
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: and a sister. Nobody took to the hunting fishing like

1025
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: she did, and at a young age they knew that

1026
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: she liked it so much that her dad just started

1027
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: sending her off to other outfits to learn how to

1028
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: be a duck hunter or a duck hunting guy, how

1029
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: to be an elk hunter or an elk hunting guy,

1030
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: And so very early on in her childhood, she was

1031
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: getting shipped all over the place to basically learn any

1032
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: and all different kinds of hunting and fishing, but she

1033
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: never went the guiding route. Yeah, so after she got

1034
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: that dialed in, she she did some guide for a

1035
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: while and then I don't know really what took her

1036
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: out of it, but uh, like I said, now she

1037
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:53,479
Speaker 1: works in Minnesota, DNR. It seems to be very happy. Ah. So, yeah,

1038
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: she took us out ice fishing on Malax and Milax

1039
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: is a giant. Oh missed him. I did too. That's weird.

1040
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: The school came in and I'm out of the game

1041
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: over here messing with my setup. Uh. It took out

1042
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: on milax. Relax is interesting because it's got a lot

1043
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: of controversy going on around their fishery. They have an

1044
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: excellent fishery, Like when it's when the fisher biting, which

1045
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 1: they really weren't when we were there, but when they

1046
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: were three days prior, they can catch trophy size. While

1047
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: I almost one after another, that's fair safe from my understanding.

1048
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: We never saw it firsthand. Yeah, we saw plenty of pictures.

1049
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: Maybe should be in the weeds. No, I had I

1050
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: had a legit um it's the tightest slot limit I've

1051
01:02:55,120 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: ever heard of. Three a two inch slot, right, Um,

1052
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: what is going on? And you can only keep one now.

1053
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: It obviously makes for a really good fishery, but a

1054
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: lot of people are bummed because not too long ago

1055
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: you could keep six that Yeah, okay, so tight slot

1056
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: for a fish that people are primarily going after for

1057
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: food after for the fighting. No, No, they like them

1058
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: because they're good in the grease. Yeah, it's so to

1059
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: only be able to catch one is Yeah, you know

1060
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: what percentage of fish that you're hauling out of the

1061
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: ice are hitting the slot? Well? For us zero zero

1062
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: it's tough to catch slot limit wall over there. And

1063
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 1: and I think that part of the reason we wanted

1064
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,959
Speaker 1: to go there is that this isn't how they got

1065
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: to this place with such a tight slot and such

1066
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: a low harvest for recreational anglers. Is an interesting story

1067
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: and it's you know, Minnesota DNA are trying to keep

1068
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: the fishery really, really healthy, but at the same time

1069
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: keep a few people happy. It's a it's a they're

1070
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: on a tight rope over there. Yeah. At the same time,

1071
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: that lake it's changed for a lot of reasons. Um,

1072
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: it's become clearer than it used to be. And miles

1073
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: getting correct me here if i'm if I go straight

1074
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: with my knowledge and how ship works. But um, when

1075
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: the water is a little bit dirtier, and it used

1076
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: to be dirtier because of zebra muscles. No, well, but

1077
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: it was dirtier because it was actually uh, you know,

1078
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: not straight up sewage, but treated you know, human gray

1079
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: water going into the lake, which causes micronutrients. Stuff eats

1080
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: micro nutrients. The bigger stuff eats that. And while I

1081
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: like it cloudy, they they're like they're a low light predator.

1082
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, zebra muscles cleaned it up. And the fat

1083
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: they said, no, you can't dump this water into these

1084
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: lakes anymore. Cleaned it up. Hurt the walleye fishery. But

1085
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: it's made for a great smallmouth fishery. It's made for

1086
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: a great pike fishery. Trophy muskie. It's got drum, trophy

1087
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 1: drum in there, talking like freshwater drum. Yeah. Obviously what

1088
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: they call sheep's head over there, call them gasper goose.

1089
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 1: In Texas, what are they call gasper goose? It's a

1090
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 1: Louisiana termine. Didn't missed on the eating on those, man, Yeah,

1091
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 1: weird texture, like flames, look like they should be so good.

1092
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: The first bite you're like, it's not that bad, but

1093
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: just like a third you ever cut the enthusiasm. Yeah,

1094
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: we get the rocks out. My kids got a handful.

1095
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 1: The one we got to uh this summer out of

1096
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 1: river here in Montana and they were excellent. The flesh

1097
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 1: is like eating cheese kurds. It's weeks when you bite.

1098
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: It's that dance dance squeaky cheese, squeak man. They I'm

1099
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: bummed to hear that, because I was like, boy, I

1100
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: am gonna come back here and target. The enthusiasm does

1101
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: not grow as you eat the fish. Then your little

1102
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: kenny eat mixed like pepsi and milk, and the first

1103
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: city like it's good, right, but you just couldn't you

1104
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: know whatever finished it. Talking to a guy who knows

1105
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: who's a commercial fisherman in the Midwest and harvest those.

1106
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:36,479
Speaker 1: He claims that he can grade the drum filets based

1107
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: on color and that if you find the like the

1108
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 1: pearly white ones, he claims you can't tell the difference

1109
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: between those and perch. He will even sell them his

1110
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: perch filets. Do they have any yellow to him? Then

1111
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: they're really only good for the smokers. That's what this

1112
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 1: guy told me. Yeah. Interesting. I was just bummed by

1113
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: the like the physical makeup of that fish. You look

1114
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: like you're gonna get a load of meat off of

1115
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: that thing, low yield a lot ahead. You did a

1116
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: great job. We caught some walley with many Um she

1117
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: did most of the catching. I did watch and the

1118
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 1: very interesting that I've seen now they've done all this

1119
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: ice fishing is just between while I on different lakes,

1120
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: completely different techniques, completely different like jigging strategies. Um, Mandy's

1121
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: jig was see maybe you can describe this. Look at

1122
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: my hand in my rod tip. Yeah, the old pencil.

1123
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 1: I mean it's almost just like you're you just don't

1124
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: have a steady hand. You got the coffee. It's like

1125
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 1: your your hands just shaking. That's I thought you were

1126
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: just shaky. I thought you. I thought you're demonstrating the grip.

1127
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no, just a shake. That's like, yeah,

1128
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: you're literally And but it was funny. Is that so

1129
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: we're using um hummingbird uh sonars that what you call

1130
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: that to eyes flasher, which it's not like a true

1131
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 1: vex lar flasher, because you're just you're watching like a

1132
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: graph like you would on your your regular fish finder. Um,

1133
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: but you can see your jake down there doing that

1134
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: little shake. When you're doing that to it and you

1135
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 1: don't want it. There's no that you're not lifting it

1136
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: an inch, two inches, six inches, there's none of that.

1137
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: It's just the shake. Good job, gal, go on, come

1138
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 1: over here. Um, so you're sitting, you're you're actually this

1139
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 1: is where ice fishing gets interesting. I wanna see what

1140
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: you guys all feel about it, because here we're not

1141
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: looking at a flasher. There's no camera down but would

1142
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: be too distracted. Yeah, okay, well there we're looking at

1143
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 1: a flasher. You're not really paying attention to the hole

1144
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 1: too much. You're pretty much just watching that graph, and

1145
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're your Your bait depends on

1146
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:02,719
Speaker 1: what colors you set up. Your bait's like a little

1147
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 1: squiggly blue line, and you're watching it shake around. Every

1148
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 1: now and then you lift it just to make sure

1149
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: that's what you're looking at. And the bottom is red,

1150
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 1: and every now and then again again a red line

1151
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 1: the size of a fat night crawler lifts up off,

1152
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,600
Speaker 1: comes up out of the bottom, and that's what a

1153
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 1: wall I looks like. And it comes right underneath your

1154
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: little jiggly blue line and just kind of suspense right

1155
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: underneath it. At that point you start this sort of

1156
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 1: dance with that red line, your blue line with the

1157
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 1: red line, and it's you jake a little bit less.

1158
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 1: You stop, maybe for two or three seconds, and at

1159
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 1: this point you're waiting for the tug, but you might,

1160
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 1: you know, lift it up a little bit. The red

1161
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 1: line follows. Sometimes you get to take. If not, you

1162
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 1: drop it back down or the red line loses interest.

1163
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 1: And again red line is this wall I down there,

1164
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 1: loses interest, drops back down to the bottom. So you

1165
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 1: drop your bait back down and you're just trying to

1166
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 1: hold it, you know, inches from his nose. Just just

1167
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,759
Speaker 1: eat me, eat me, eat me. And um, it seemed

1168
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 1: like I, like I said, I only caught maybe I

1169
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 1: don't know, three or four over the course of two days,

1170
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 1: maybe five. Um, it seemed like the bite I would

1171
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 1: jack jack jake, or shake, shake, shake, and I would

1172
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:16,839
Speaker 1: just let it sit still. In three or four seconds

1173
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 1: into letting it said still, you'd feel a tug and

1174
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: you pull the walleye out, did not catch a single

1175
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 1: one in the slot. Manishing real hard for me, man

1176
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: real hard. Yeah. I think well, within the group, you know,

1177
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 1: we had some other people helping, and while we were manning,

1178
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 1: I were fishing, they'd be fishing off by themselves, and

1179
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: I think we end up catching a couple over the slot.

1180
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:41,879
Speaker 1: Most of them were shy, most of them were eighteen

1181
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 1: to twenty inch type fish. Um and uh but no

1182
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: nothing in nothing in the slot. I mean we got

1183
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 1: him and then we got him at twenty four. Uh.

1184
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,600
Speaker 1: And you know that's which makes sense. That's such a

1185
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 1: popular like so many people fishing. Any of those fish

1186
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,759
Speaker 1: that are in the slot, they're coming home with people

1187
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 1: like you gotta think there's a lot of people who

1188
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 1: just avoid that lake, right, Like, well, I'm just just

1189
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 1: want to not mess with this trophy lake. And I'm

1190
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,440
Speaker 1: not I'm not like I don't know enough to criticize.

1191
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: I'm not criticizing the management decision there. I'm just saying

1192
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: for me personally, like I view walleye as waal air

1193
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: for eating. That's why that's why that lake is an

1194
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 1: interesting story, right because it's not that far from the

1195
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 1: twin cities. Tons of people grew up walleye fishing there

1196
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:34,639
Speaker 1: and taking tons of fish out, and the the fishery

1197
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 1: has changed, and more and more people are fishing it right,

1198
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 1: and they want to make sure that they've still got

1199
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 1: a walleye fish man so said, not being critical, No, no,

1200
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. But to me, it's

1201
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 1: it's not a sense of like whether or not you're

1202
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 1: being critical. It's it's that this, if you're looking it

1203
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 1: at the universe of fishing stories, that one, to me

1204
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 1: is worth checking out because of all the things, folks,

1205
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 1: all the things that different things that are having to balance.

1206
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 1: They are the different user groups, the amount of anger

1207
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:08,679
Speaker 1: that exists in that community toward that slot. Yeah, people

1208
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 1: are up in arms, and well, you know it's not permanent,

1209
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 1: not necessarily. No, the fishery rebounds, oh man. But if

1210
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 1: folks could have the ability I'm saying in general, you

1211
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:24,600
Speaker 1: go to these fisheries or hunt areas, if folks had

1212
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 1: the ability to look beyond what they're doing that day,

1213
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 1: the world would be a much different place. I mean,

1214
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 1: my gosh. And the other thing is funny, there is, yeah,

1215
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 1: the the walleye fishery, it's still great. It's not what

1216
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: it used to be. But people are piste off and

1217
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 1: they have one of the best, arguably the best small

1218
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 1: mouth fisher in the country now as a result of

1219
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,719
Speaker 1: the changes to the water clarity there right like when

1220
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 1: when it was really turbid and the walies were kicking

1221
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 1: ass because they can outcompete everything else. Now you have

1222
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: much clearer fishery. Small Mouth there really really good. They're

1223
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 1: not an ice fishing fish on that lake, but in

1224
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 1: the summer they are. And pike are really really good.

1225
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 1: And they heard a number of people in the Midwest

1226
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 1: tell me that that is the best trophy muskie fishery around,

1227
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 1: hands down. Period. Like you want to get musky. It's

1228
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:17,799
Speaker 1: like Green Bay or there. Just changes. It's just funny

1229
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 1: to complain about. You know. I'm so piste off about this.

1230
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:25,679
Speaker 1: We have great small mouth and musky. Now I'd prefer

1231
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 1: to catch either one of those fishes, just like the

1232
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 1: pace of wildlife management is never going to meet the

1233
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: pace of expectations will be good. T shirt, Well, I

1234
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 1: tell you what, they have them not figured out that

1235
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: small mouth tastes almost as good as while I either.

1236
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 1: I brought that up to a lot of them. I'm like,

1237
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: why don't you guys just start frying small mouth? I mean, really,

1238
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 1: if you're gonna like put some bunch of batter and

1239
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 1: seasonings on it and then fry it, eat the small mouth. No, no, no,

1240
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 1: you know those are those are just for catching relates.

1241
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, well, maybe you guys will learn later.

1242
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 1: I know that on the half shell gets tire something

1243
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: for folks, but that's man. You cook that thing on

1244
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 1: the trigger. Indirect heat is all it is. But with

1245
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 1: the skin on, scales on, skin on small mouth. Yeah,

1246
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,719
Speaker 1: and that fat just bubbles up through the meat and

1247
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 1: you can take that hook your fingernail into that skin

1248
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 1: and just give it a little shake and that whole

1249
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: slides right off. The whole chunk of meat just slides

1250
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 1: onto whoever is played. Oh my gosh. It makes a

1251
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 1: guy like me who can't play anything, well, look a

1252
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 1: real guy, all right, jump into the sturge and Johnnie. Yeah,

1253
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 1: that's pretty much what we did with Mandy, right, try

1254
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 1: to try to catch while I and trying to understand

1255
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 1: what was going on in Molex. Yeah. So we left Minnesota,

1256
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: came home for a bit, then we went over to

1257
01:14:54,200 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 1: with Skans and and uh yeah, first thing we did

1258
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 1: was went to Lake Winnebago for the opener of sturgeon

1259
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 1: spearing season. Miles and I had applied for sturgeon spearing

1260
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:13,440
Speaker 1: permits back in I don't know, sometime in the summer October,

1261
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 1: October October maybe, And if you apply, you get one.

1262
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 1: It's not like a draw thing. Now. Lake Winnebago is

1263
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 1: part of a chain of lakes that um, the what

1264
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 1: river that's oh Man Wolf River. Well, somebody comes the

1265
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:40,639
Speaker 1: fox further on down you can correct us, um and uh,

1266
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 1: the upper Upper River Lakes have a permit, uh fishery

1267
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 1: there because as well get into your we've we had

1268
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 1: a spear, deeper, dirtier water. The Upper Upper River Lakes

1269
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: are clear and they're shallower and so there you're much

1270
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 1: like you just see you more sturgeon. To point to

1271
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 1: make it make sense, Lake Winnebago has about a five

1272
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 1: percent success right, the upper Lakes are closer to like

1273
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:14,720
Speaker 1: fifty or sixty. Yeah, yeah, yeah, big time. It takes

1274
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 1: about seven years. Don't apply because Steve and I are

1275
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: starting to apply, um this year and we want to

1276
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: go and everybody messing us all up. Yeah, so don't apply.

1277
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 1: It's not that cool. I'm gonna make it sound cool,

1278
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 1: but it's not that cool. So, yeah, we hooked up

1279
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 1: with Jake Andrews his whole family. Uh and uh when

1280
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 1: I say his whole family then includes a bunch of cousins. Uh.

1281
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 1: They they make up for at least point five percent

1282
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 1: of sturgeon spears on Lake Winnebago. No, I'm kidding. It

1283
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,600
Speaker 1: did seem like that though. Um. Yeah, and the and

1284
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 1: the Floyd family helped us out a whole bunch. And Uh,

1285
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 1: Jake is like the he's sort of the captain of

1286
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,640
Speaker 1: their sturgeon spearing team, and he does a lot of

1287
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 1: the scouting, which I'll get into what that looks like,

1288
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 1: and he helps everybody get set up. Everybody else pretty

1289
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:09,680
Speaker 1: much rolls in besides Buddy Brian. Bryan also is hardcore,

1290
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: but pretty much everybody else. I think we had seven

1291
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 1: or eight total shacks. Everybody else just rolls in for

1292
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,599
Speaker 1: cut in day, which I'll explain a second, and then

1293
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 1: they fish for the season and then they're done. Jake's

1294
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 1: out there not year round, but once the ice comes

1295
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:27,799
Speaker 1: he's thinking about surgeon, getting ready for for sturgeon spearing.

1296
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:31,600
Speaker 1: Everybody just draws off his teeth. Yes, for sure. And

1297
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,719
Speaker 1: he's very happy to be helping everybody out. He really

1298
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 1: carries that like he feels a lot of pride in

1299
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 1: anybody spearing Sturgeon from because he's put so much time

1300
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:45,639
Speaker 1: and effort into it, and he feels a lot of pressure. Uh,

1301
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 1: Like the first day, he's like, as soon as someone

1302
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 1: just sees one and we can say yes, we're like

1303
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 1: we've chosen. Well, we're in a good spot. Somebody saw

1304
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:59,679
Speaker 1: a surgeon. Pressure, he can relax a little bit. Um.

1305
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 1: So uh, yeah, we hook up with him. So prior

1306
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 1: to us sucking up with him, his scouting um and miles.

1307
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 1: You can tell Phil if we get if I get

1308
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:10,599
Speaker 1: to too many details here, we're gonna cut this out.

1309
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 1: But a lot of a lot of people do this.

1310
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:16,719
Speaker 1: They go out and they look, you're protecting his trade secrets.

1311
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 1: We there are certain things we can talk about and

1312
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 1: a few just a couple of things their trade secretar

1313
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 1: trade secrets. Yeah, so I think I think you got

1314
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: to start this. I'm sorry I interrupted. Yeah. Well, the

1315
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 1: first thing that they figure out is is it a

1316
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 1: shed or shad year? Yeah or not? Or not? Yeah?

1317
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 1: And well, there's a fish in there called the gizzard chad,

1318
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 1: which is a non native correct and it's at the

1319
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 1: northern end of its limits. So on a warm year

1320
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 1: they come up in there and they spawn and they

1321
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 1: do real well. Um, and they die off every year

1322
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: because the water just gets too cold for him right

1323
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 1: to get this massive shad die off a lot of years.

1324
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 1: If it's just too cold altogether, they just don't show

1325
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 1: up in that in that lake at all. Right, So

1326
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 1: if it is a shad year, all these shad um

1327
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 1: it tripped me up at first. I was like, well,

1328
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:13,560
Speaker 1: hold on, how does a bottom feeder all of a

1329
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,600
Speaker 1: sudden start eating on shad. Well, he's still eating on

1330
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 1: the bottom because he's just eating dead ones. So yeah,

1331
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 1: he never chased you never hear it Like we used

1332
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 1: to see those big shad die offs where I grew up,

1333
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:31,759
Speaker 1: and all kinds of fish would get on the bottom

1334
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 1: and eat those things, catfish and all stuff. So if

1335
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 1: it isn't, if it is a shad here, then he's

1336
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:40,720
Speaker 1: got his orbits endorsed guide head doing me a lot

1337
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 1: of good today. It's supposed to be doing me good

1338
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 1: if you're an endorsed guy. Um, So if it is

1339
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 1: a shad here they find the big beds shad and

1340
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 1: they're basically gonna spear over these shad beds because you

1341
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 1: can get a lot more protein out of a shad um.

1342
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,879
Speaker 1: It probably takes I don't know, a hundred red worms,

1343
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:12,600
Speaker 1: and a red worm is basically a chronomid larva, so

1344
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe the biggest one was an inch long,

1345
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 1: maybe maybe half an inch more likely. And uh so

1346
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 1: this year it was not a shad year. So you

1347
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 1: gotta go out and find worm beds. Okay, worm beds

1348
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 1: are there there year after year, but like the the

1349
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 1: nucleus of the worm bed could change by fifty yards

1350
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 1: two hundred yards maybe fifty ft looking for density density exactly,

1351
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 1: so they got these. Jake had his own homemade contraption

1352
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 1: which basically looked like a coffee can wormometer with U

1353
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 1: with closing flaps at the bottom and uh, drill hole,

1354
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 1: drill two holes. You can you need a second hole later,

1355
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 1: drop your can down there and it's on a change.

1356
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 1: You can kind of hand the bottom with it just

1357
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 1: a little bit, and then on like the third or

1358
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:05,639
Speaker 1: fourth pound, drop it in there and the old flaps

1359
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:09,679
Speaker 1: are open and then you pull up the secondary chain

1360
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:13,560
Speaker 1: which closes the flaps, and you basically have taken a

1361
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 1: substrate sample. This is great, man three. So what's an

1362
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 1: example of something you can't tell me? This is high level?

1363
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 1: This is like high test fishing. Yeah, but there's a

1364
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 1: lot of guys doing this, not a lot, but I

1365
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 1: think we asked and he thinks that maybe like ten

1366
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 1: ten of the surgeon spears are doing worms. And then

1367
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 1: he knows even more stuff you can't tell Yeah, and

1368
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 1: give me like like tell me pig latin. You gotta think,

1369
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 1: you gotta just think that this right here is a

1370
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 1: level that a lot of people would be like, yeah,

1371
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 1: I know of it. I don't want to deal with it,

1372
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 1: but it makes me curious about what is the thing

1373
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: he's doing? Absolutely pe in the hole? Did he take anything?

1374
01:21:56,400 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, we filmed so yeah, but like was

1375
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 1: the mud just crawling with those worms. We didn't actually

1376
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:08,520
Speaker 1: get the film because he'd done all this this scouting beforehand,

1377
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 1: so when we filmed it, it was it was sort

1378
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 1: of like after the fact. We didn't get We didn't

1379
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 1: prove around until we got a real dense Yeah, but

1380
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 1: he'll basically run a grid pattern and then may and

1381
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 1: then draw it down on a piece of paper and

1382
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 1: then start writing numbers of per sample, you know, three worms,

1383
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 1: five worms, six worms, three worms, and then all of

1384
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 1: a sudden it gets to tent. I can't remember what

1385
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:35,679
Speaker 1: his threshold of good was, but I think eight or more.

1386
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 1: And so then he'll go out from that point and

1387
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 1: sort of triangulate and be like, okay, right here, there

1388
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,559
Speaker 1: are in these five holes around it, there are more

1389
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 1: worms per scoop than everything around it, So this must

1390
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 1: be the where the money shot is. That's pretty interesting. Yeah,

1391
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 1: it's like gold prospecting. Yeah for sure. Now other guys

1392
01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 1: also will go out and and just literally sit in

1393
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 1: a shock watching a camera over a weren't better not

1394
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 1: waiting for a scusgeon scouting to go trail like running

1395
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 1: a trail camp. Yeah, but you can't. There's no like

1396
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 1: trail camp for under water, So you just sit there

1397
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 1: trail camera. Yeah. Um, And they like get onto one,

1398
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 1: like he's here, this is a zone. Well, I think again,

1399
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 1: you're looking for like consistency. No, you're not looking for

1400
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 1: one particular st an area. They like, yeah, you're like, okay,

1401
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 1: I was in this zone and I saw three today

1402
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 1: because this is a big gass lake, huge and the

1403
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 1: density of sturgeon is not very high. There's one surgeon

1404
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 1: for every four acres of lake. Yeah yeah, so let

1405
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 1: me just like put that into perspective when you're you're hoping,

1406
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 1: just put it a quarter sturgeon for acre. It was

1407
01:23:52,840 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 1: a very weird way. They're big fish or quarter one. Um. No, ship,

1408
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 1: this is great. It was very interesting, very interesting television program,

1409
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 1: I hope so so yeah, Jake had the spot picked out.

1410
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 1: Am I missing anything else? Oide of scouting? Not that

1411
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 1: we can talk about. God Man, would I like to

1412
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 1: know the secrets? Just teasing that out there? Yeah yeah, um,

1413
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 1: but he I think I think one of the things

1414
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 1: to mention is that it's not like he just goes

1415
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 1: out and samples once to go I'm good. He'll go

1416
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 1: out day after day before work and keep checking, like

1417
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 1: is his worm bed still here? Is this still the

1418
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 1: center for months? As long as he's got good ice

1419
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 1: up until opener. I'm gonna go out on a limb

1420
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 1: and he goes out in the dark man to do this,

1421
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna go on a limb and suggest that

1422
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 1: this man is not a skier. This man does not ski,

1423
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:59,839
Speaker 1: not in fun to act. This is a true outdoors

1424
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 1: he is a he is a I don't know what

1425
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 1: you call a guy that that runs a um sugar shack,

1426
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 1: a tapper, a tapper, tapper sapper. You can just throw

1427
01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 1: it into the foraging bucket though, you know, Okay, so

1428
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: here you are, you got your worms down there, you

1429
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:22,759
Speaker 1: know you're on the worms. Yeah, so you're not allowed

1430
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 1: to put a dark house spearing shanty. Now, these shanties

1431
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: are specifically built just for spearing sturgeon. You do not,

1432
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you could, but it sounded like

1433
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:38,639
Speaker 1: these shanties are out for the two week sperience season

1434
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 1: and then they're back in your yard for the rest

1435
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:44,680
Speaker 1: of the year by law. Yeah. Well again you could

1436
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:47,000
Speaker 1: use you could go out there and jill holes and

1437
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 1: just ice fish through it. But I don't know why

1438
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 1: people must use different for that reason. But these are

1439
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:57,920
Speaker 1: set up there, man, I forget the dimensions. He's got

1440
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 1: probably uh ten by six, twelve by six. I know

1441
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 1: that it was six wide. Yeah, I think I think

1442
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:11,640
Speaker 1: they were all exactly same. It was right around there.

1443
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:14,599
Speaker 1: They came in different shapes and they get into painting

1444
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 1: them you know, the classic one is um finishing like

1445
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 1: a in a sheet metal right riveted corners and then

1446
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 1: like a pretty plain two or three ft like spray

1447
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 1: painted or plasma cut sturgeon. And it's got to have

1448
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:36,559
Speaker 1: your name and address on it. You know. There's what

1449
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 1: we saw one that looked like a Green Bay Packers helmet.

1450
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 1: We saw one that was painted as uh Pink Floyd

1451
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 1: Dark side of the Moon, so people get into it,

1452
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 1: uh that the Money's on. I feel like Money kind

1453
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 1: of ruined that album. I don't know if i'd say

1454
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:01,720
Speaker 1: I go back for it. It was the radio hit

1455
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 1: um so that you can only put them out there

1456
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 1: the day before and the day before it is called

1457
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 1: cutting day because you're gonna cut in a giant hole

1458
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,720
Speaker 1: in the ice. So we roll out there. Jake's like,

1459
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:18,679
Speaker 1: I'm putting my shack right here on the money spot.

1460
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 1: You guys all make a horse shoe around me, and yeah,

1461
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 1: and I forget exactly what that was for. Maybe just

1462
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 1: the Wi Man, maybe luck, but how much maybe the

1463
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 1: way the worm bed was running. I can't remember how

1464
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 1: much of a between shacks. Yeah, what's you're spacing like?

1465
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 1: Probably fifty feet? Okay, you're not jumping, No, no, you

1466
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:45,640
Speaker 1: got I mean there, you're not right on top of

1467
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:48,640
Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, if someone if something happens in a

1468
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:51,600
Speaker 1: nearby shack, you can hear him yelling. Could you have

1469
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:56,680
Speaker 1: jumped down, swam over and popped up. That would be

1470
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 1: a great trick, would be a good way to get

1471
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 1: jab the spirit? Yeah, oh my goodness and die. Oh

1472
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 1: so yeah, we um cut in day. We all pull

1473
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 1: out there. That's not a legal thing though, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1474
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't cut in and set out till

1475
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 1: the day before. So everybody's out there on cutting day, everybody.

1476
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:24,720
Speaker 1: But after the season it's okay. You said that you

1477
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 1: can hang out in your shanty after the season. You

1478
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:30,679
Speaker 1: can't cut your big holes. You can't have spearing holes

1479
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 1: after the season or before. Oh okay, okay, I cut

1480
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 1: the day before the season opens is what we call

1481
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:40,679
Speaker 1: cutting day. You can you can start setting up for spearing,

1482
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:44,599
Speaker 1: but you can have a bole four season one season ends.

1483
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:48,720
Speaker 1: I'm with you now, I understand. Um. Yeah. So it's

1484
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 1: like a mad flooded people and Jake to protect his spot.

1485
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 1: We actually didn't go out until late afternoon because people

1486
01:28:56,920 --> 01:29:00,639
Speaker 1: know what he looks like. Drives. He scouts. He knows

1487
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 1: they know this group, and he doesn't want He believes

1488
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 1: that the surgeon do react a little bit to activity,

1489
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:10,680
Speaker 1: especially a lot of truck activity. Um. And so he

1490
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 1: wanted he liked a spot that was quiet. Like we

1491
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:15,680
Speaker 1: only had a couple of other shanties outside of our

1492
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 1: group that were like within a couple hundred yards of us.

1493
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 1: There's plenty that were four or five yards away. Um.

1494
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 1: But he wanted a quiet spot. And so we waited

1495
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:28,599
Speaker 1: until pretty late in the day to go and do

1496
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 1: the cut in. So we all these shanties are on

1497
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 1: um uh, their sleds basically runners. The ones we had

1498
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 1: weren't on runners. They were actually he had full suspension.

1499
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 1: But you have them on runners, you have them on wheels,

1500
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:47,559
Speaker 1: you have on a full suspension. They're all people are

1501
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 1: dragging him out there in any way they can anyway

1502
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 1: they can get them out there, if you can move

1503
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 1: a shed or shanty or shack. And and a huge

1504
01:29:56,520 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 1: variance between the really really nice ones that are you know,

1505
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 1: hooked up on tongues and have a full suspension and

1506
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 1: the other ones that looked like someone just took their

1507
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 1: plastic gardenship and there's a guy low playing that actually

1508
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:12,800
Speaker 1: makes the frame and the trailer that everybody builds their

1509
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:15,400
Speaker 1: custom shacks on. And it's set up in such a

1510
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:18,640
Speaker 1: way that you basically unhook a couple um pins and

1511
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 1: the tongue lifts up and that lets the shock fall

1512
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:25,760
Speaker 1: down onto the ice um. So yeah, you kind of

1513
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 1: you mark your spot and where you want it and

1514
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 1: uh then he bust out of chainsaw and uh cut

1515
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:36,599
Speaker 1: yourself a like I said, ours was probably the biggest

1516
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 1: hole because he has the biggest hole inside of his

1517
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:43,640
Speaker 1: shanty and it was six by three maybe three and

1518
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 1: a half. You had to be able to jump over it,

1519
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 1: just big enough that when you go to jump over it,

1520
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:55,679
Speaker 1: you're like, pay attention, dude, you don't you know, pass

1521
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 1: me the trail mix. And at the same time, you know,

1522
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:03,080
Speaker 1: like you're like, where's the safety bar to hang onto

1523
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:08,760
Speaker 1: as I cross this chasm? Oh, so you take a

1524
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 1: chainsaw and cut it, and like you said, you cut

1525
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:14,320
Speaker 1: at an angle. It's it's funny because you think it

1526
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 1: would have to be steeper to get that effect that

1527
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 1: you were talking about where you can just see farther

1528
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 1: and there's not an edge of the edge of ice

1529
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: that you're looking at. But it wasn't that steep of

1530
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 1: an angle. I mean maybe I don't know fifteen degrees,

1531
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 1: and uh it's spooky because it's spooky for me because

1532
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:35,680
Speaker 1: Jake cut the first two edges. I'm like, Okay, I

1533
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 1: get it. You have to hold the chainsaw opposite handed,

1534
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 1: which will work good for you being a lefty, so

1535
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:45,120
Speaker 1: that you're always keeping your air intake. I don't. I

1536
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 1: don't hold us all that way up top rightow I

1537
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:52,240
Speaker 1: throttle with my right hand. Okay, so it'd be opposite

1538
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 1: for you to but yeah, you hold it. I held

1539
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:58,720
Speaker 1: it opposite so your air in takes up top so

1540
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:01,880
Speaker 1: that and your blades always running bottom, so that because

1541
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:04,280
Speaker 1: you're pushing a lot of water and you keep you

1542
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:07,519
Speaker 1: want to keep your saw dry. Obviously the engine and

1543
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 1: uh so I'm cutting a second too. But to get

1544
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 1: to be able to cut and hold that the saw

1545
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 1: the proper way, I've got to be standing on the

1546
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:19,760
Speaker 1: chunk that I'm cutting out of the ice for my

1547
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:27,240
Speaker 1: last cut from runner. Yeah, and I think we're we're

1548
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:31,679
Speaker 1: working with like eight minimum, I think up to fourteen

1549
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 1: inches of ice right in that zone. They had a

1550
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 1: really crappy year. A lot of people did not just

1551
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 1: add this in right now. Most years they have they

1552
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:45,120
Speaker 1: sell about twelve thousand permits, they have ten thousand spears.

1553
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:47,320
Speaker 1: This year they probably sold twelve tho permits because they

1554
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 1: have to be bought in October um and they only

1555
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 1: had five thousand spears usually five thousand shanties or no, sorry,

1556
01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:01,000
Speaker 1: five thousand shanties. Ten thousand spears this year or shanties.

1557
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:04,800
Speaker 1: They figure about two spears per shanty. And it still

1558
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:07,400
Speaker 1: seems like a lot. Yeah, it is, it is, but

1559
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:10,640
Speaker 1: remember it's a huge lake, and that was because it

1560
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 1: was just not good. Yeah, so most people drag out

1561
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 1: with um trucks and the ice just wasn't of truck

1562
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:21,280
Speaker 1: safety thickness, and so a lot of those people would

1563
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 1: either have to get like a TV or a side

1564
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:25,559
Speaker 1: by side or a snowmobile. And if you don't have

1565
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:27,760
Speaker 1: that equipment or your you know buddy doesn't have it,

1566
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:29,920
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get to go out sturgeon fishing in

1567
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 1: the anthropo scene. Man, Yeah, spooky. So this chunk that

1568
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 1: you're cutting out, though, I realized it has enough buoyancy

1569
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:43,040
Speaker 1: that a two pound man can stand on it and

1570
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 1: and cut the last corner and nothing's gonna happen. You're

1571
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 1: not gonna wildly coyote it down to the bottom of

1572
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,600
Speaker 1: the lake all of a sudden. Yeah, it kind of

1573
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:56,160
Speaker 1: bobs a little bit, but you're fine. Um. So once

1574
01:33:56,160 --> 01:33:58,680
Speaker 1: you kind keep when you got your rod on your

1575
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 1: leg like that, you keep thinking of getting hits. It

1576
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 1: really throws me off. I kind of watch everybody's I'll

1577
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 1: set it down. I'm gonna fish high in the water column. Ah.

1578
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 1: Then you take these giant UM's. Yeah, it's basically what

1579
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:21,960
Speaker 1: twelve foot pole then using a fire they were They

1580
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:25,120
Speaker 1: were actually like firefighting equipment poles. Yeah, with big hooks

1581
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 1: on hooks. It's got a hook and a spike. Oh

1582
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:35,320
Speaker 1: that kind of yeah for poking. Yeah, kind of like holes.

1583
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 1: And so what they do because it's a big, big,

1584
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:41,320
Speaker 1: gass chunk of ice, you can't just tong it and

1585
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:43,439
Speaker 1: lift it out. And if you did, and by the

1586
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:45,599
Speaker 1: end of a two week season, it'd be frozen solid,

1587
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 1: so you'd be caught. You'd be making you sort of

1588
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 1: have two dangers then, right, that's an open hole plus

1589
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 1: a giant chunk of ice that someone can run into

1590
01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:56,519
Speaker 1: and have issues with so they do what's called sinking

1591
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 1: the cake. They call that chunk of ice the cake,

1592
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:02,240
Speaker 1: and they sink it. So all two or three guys

1593
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:05,360
Speaker 1: are pushing down on it to get it below ice level,

1594
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:08,599
Speaker 1: and then two guys get from one end and start

1595
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:11,760
Speaker 1: pushing it underneath the ice. And then once that gets going,

1596
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:13,800
Speaker 1: then the guys that we're pushing down all come to

1597
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:15,720
Speaker 1: that end, and everybody pushes as hard as they can

1598
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:17,479
Speaker 1: and try to get that one chunk of ice as

1599
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 1: far away from the whole as possible, just in case

1600
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 1: if you have a sturgeon that's near the surface, you

1601
01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 1: don't want him to be coming towards your zone, your

1602
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:28,720
Speaker 1: hole and then see that big chunk of ice and

1603
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:31,559
Speaker 1: then cause him to veer away. I gotta avoid that. Yeah,

1604
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:33,840
Speaker 1: so you're trying to get it away from you. Um,

1605
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 1: then you pull the trailer over the top of the hole,

1606
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:40,639
Speaker 1: drop it down, shovel snow all around the edges again,

1607
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:42,920
Speaker 1: get the light out, and you basically open a big

1608
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:45,800
Speaker 1: hatch in the middle and there you are. So you're

1609
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:49,639
Speaker 1: basically sitting on ap plywood floor that's carpeted real nice,

1610
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 1: and uh, you just got a hole in the ice

1611
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:55,719
Speaker 1: that looks like you're not sitting on any ice because

1612
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 1: of the angle you cut in the ice. Um. Now

1613
01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:06,160
Speaker 1: we were bearing in like fifteen sixteen ft of water,

1614
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:08,600
Speaker 1: which on a clear year you can see all the

1615
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 1: way to the bottom. But this year you can only

1616
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:15,120
Speaker 1: see about twelve ft. So bottom feeders are gonna be

1617
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:16,960
Speaker 1: on the bottom. How are you gonna see them in

1618
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:22,000
Speaker 1: that depth? Taters, well start because you gotta be able

1619
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:24,800
Speaker 1: to retrieve them if they If it's if it would

1620
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 1: have been just a little more clear, we all would

1621
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:33,000
Speaker 1: have had down crosses made out of um vinyl uh

1622
01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:36,720
Speaker 1: soft material like ten inch soft it. They basically just

1623
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 1: make an X and then drop that thing down in

1624
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:42,080
Speaker 1: the hole that's attached to the string so you can

1625
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:44,840
Speaker 1: later retrieve it. And so you're looking at a X,

1626
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 1: and even if it's kind of murky, if you get

1627
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 1: a big white X down there, it would give you

1628
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 1: some reference. And then if you saw a giant black

1629
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:54,839
Speaker 1: shadow go over it, you would throw at the shadow.

1630
01:36:56,640 --> 01:37:00,280
Speaker 1: Too murky for that. So instead we're running can risk

1631
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:05,599
Speaker 1: and the same fish camera that everybody has. You basically

1632
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:10,920
Speaker 1: run down hit on mine. You don't think so well?

1633
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 1: My rod was up and now it's yeah, could have

1634
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:25,880
Speaker 1: been you guys are distracting. Um. So yeah, you run

1635
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:28,280
Speaker 1: a you run a camera basically between your feet, if

1636
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:29,800
Speaker 1: you're sitting in the middle of the hole, you run

1637
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:33,680
Speaker 1: a camera straight between your feet, straight down and then

1638
01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:37,160
Speaker 1: it's maybe eighteen inches off the bottom and just pointed

1639
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:39,519
Speaker 1: straight out in front of you. So you're looking at

1640
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:42,519
Speaker 1: depending on the water clarity, you're looking at a cone

1641
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:46,960
Speaker 1: that might be go out to six ft. For us,

1642
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:48,880
Speaker 1: it was so dense that we were figured we were

1643
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:52,040
Speaker 1: looking maybe three to four ft. That's all you could

1644
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:54,559
Speaker 1: see is a cone that went out to three three

1645
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 1: or four ft in front of your camera. And you're

1646
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:59,559
Speaker 1: supposed to spear the fish off of what you're seeing

1647
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:03,880
Speaker 1: on the camera. Very very difficult. So Jake had a

1648
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:05,880
Speaker 1: camera down between his feet, and then between the two

1649
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 1: cameras we had a decoy. They just hung from the ceiling.

1650
01:38:09,439 --> 01:38:12,400
Speaker 1: There was no jigging this one. It just was stagnant

1651
01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:18,080
Speaker 1: there static not doing anything. Um. Sturgeon decoys were even

1652
01:38:18,120 --> 01:38:21,040
Speaker 1: crazier than the pike and the whitefish decoys. We went

1653
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 1: up into a gal's uh attic who's been spearing for

1654
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:36,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, seventy years bowling pins, uh Bart Simpson dolls,

1655
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:42,799
Speaker 1: orange Um, traffic cones, things that did look like fish.

1656
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:46,600
Speaker 1: Calendars were very popular for decades that like when it

1657
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:48,800
Speaker 1: would come up to be during super being station, you

1658
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:53,320
Speaker 1: couldn't find a calendar in any kitchens store, thrift store, nothing.

1659
01:38:53,439 --> 01:38:56,720
Speaker 1: Everybody want to drop down a calendar. The latest thing

1660
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:59,840
Speaker 1: that's very popular is the white coffee mug. And then

1661
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:02,320
Speaker 1: gotta choose if you wanted to coffee mug suspended or

1662
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:06,000
Speaker 1: actually sitting in the muck at the bottom. So again,

1663
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:09,519
Speaker 1: people go people go nuts on their decoys. Is doing

1664
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:12,479
Speaker 1: a good job? Is It's like, you know, like in

1665
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:14,479
Speaker 1: theory you're supposed to go on vacation and come back

1666
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:17,840
Speaker 1: all like reinvigorated for work. It's like that's what happened

1667
01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:20,840
Speaker 1: to Yanni. Oh for sure, I felt it, just tearing

1668
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:23,880
Speaker 1: it a new one on we haven't been gotten to

1669
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:28,240
Speaker 1: the white fish and with Pat Durkin another I don't

1670
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:33,200
Speaker 1: want to burn it all up right now? Um, so yeah,

1671
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:38,879
Speaker 1: we picked a well we're still on cutting day cameras.

1672
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:42,200
Speaker 1: No you're not. You're on the coffee mugs and whatnot. Yeah,

1673
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:44,559
Speaker 1: well I'm telling you about the decoys they're using. But

1674
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:49,639
Speaker 1: the camera deal. I think most people are just looking

1675
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:52,879
Speaker 1: at their little six inch ten inch screen that's attached

1676
01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:57,640
Speaker 1: their camera. Right. Well, Jake's an electrician, pretty handy with

1677
01:39:57,800 --> 01:40:02,639
Speaker 1: that sort of ship, so he's got too big screens, yeah,

1678
01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:07,280
Speaker 1: two inches. So we're sat We sat across from each other,

1679
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:10,640
Speaker 1: so my screen was directly behind his head and his

1680
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:12,920
Speaker 1: screen was behind my head. So instead of staring kind

1681
01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:15,000
Speaker 1: of down at it with your net getting store and

1682
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:17,479
Speaker 1: looking at a tenant screen, you can kind of chat

1683
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:19,160
Speaker 1: with the guy at the same time you're looking on

1684
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:21,760
Speaker 1: the screen behind his head, and they're thinking, man, this

1685
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:23,880
Speaker 1: guy never breaks his gaze when he's talking to me,

1686
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:29,519
Speaker 1: totally um, And that takes place of staring into the hole. Now,

1687
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:31,120
Speaker 1: there is a chance that you could have one comes

1688
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:34,559
Speaker 1: suspended through at ten ft or even six ft, and

1689
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:37,240
Speaker 1: it has happened. We heard plenty of stories where the

1690
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:39,600
Speaker 1: fish came through like his back rubbing the top of

1691
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:42,920
Speaker 1: the ice, and like, you had to take this because

1692
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:47,280
Speaker 1: our spears actually hung off of a they just had

1693
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:49,840
Speaker 1: I think one side. He had an actual hook that

1694
01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:53,120
Speaker 1: was just barely it was bent open, so it just

1695
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 1: still had a little bit of a lip to hold

1696
01:40:55,040 --> 01:40:58,479
Speaker 1: the islet of the spear. Mine actually was just a

1697
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:02,360
Speaker 1: just like a deck screw that was just at the

1698
01:41:02,439 --> 01:41:04,280
Speaker 1: right angle and that little lip of the deck screw

1699
01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:06,920
Speaker 1: was enough to hang it onto. Because we also heard

1700
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:09,559
Speaker 1: some stories where people had the giant sitting there looking

1701
01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:12,040
Speaker 1: at their decoy and they couldn't get their spear off

1702
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:15,320
Speaker 1: of their hook and then the fish ran swam off.

1703
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:19,719
Speaker 1: You know, so you gotta be ready. It's gonna happen fast. Um.

1704
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:24,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're sort of percent of time you're watching

1705
01:41:24,200 --> 01:41:27,080
Speaker 1: your screen one percent of time, and short glances you're

1706
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:29,679
Speaker 1: just looking down. It was interesting too, is what Jake

1707
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:33,640
Speaker 1: made clear to tell me about was that don't expect

1708
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:36,719
Speaker 1: to see in this murky water. Don't expect to see

1709
01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:40,599
Speaker 1: a six ft sturgeon when he's down there at eight

1710
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:45,519
Speaker 1: ten ft, it's gonna look like a football. But you're

1711
01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:48,400
Speaker 1: just seeing like the main part of the mass, and

1712
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:51,479
Speaker 1: you just know that there's you know, there's three ft

1713
01:41:51,479 --> 01:41:53,120
Speaker 1: on either side of it or two ft on either

1714
01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:55,160
Speaker 1: side of the football. You know, you're just seeing the

1715
01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 1: main mass because that's what's coming through. That's what your

1716
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:03,880
Speaker 1: your eye can pick up. Um. So yeah, the heads

1717
01:42:03,880 --> 01:42:11,000
Speaker 1: of the spears, the spears are heavy. They they've come

1718
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:14,840
Speaker 1: up with regulations because people were getting a little bit crazy.

1719
01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:19,479
Speaker 1: They're like, imagine like ad teen broad head for a turkey,

1720
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:22,599
Speaker 1: which is like two big razor blades, like four intros

1721
01:42:22,640 --> 01:42:25,120
Speaker 1: to diameter. But they took that idea and took it

1722
01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:27,240
Speaker 1: to sturge and spearings. So they had these like two

1723
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:33,280
Speaker 1: ft cross criss crossed, and so it's just like you're

1724
01:42:33,320 --> 01:42:36,000
Speaker 1: covering more service area. When you throw the spear right,

1725
01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:39,000
Speaker 1: you have a better chance to get a tie in him.

1726
01:42:39,160 --> 01:42:43,479
Speaker 1: Ours were I believe the limit was sixteen or eighteen.

1727
01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:46,880
Speaker 1: I think it was. Ours were a couple of inches

1728
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:49,559
Speaker 1: shy of that. We probably had eight times we were

1729
01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:56,880
Speaker 1: working with um. The spearhead detaches from the handle, uh,

1730
01:42:57,000 --> 01:42:59,160
Speaker 1: so that you can fight the fish, you know, more

1731
01:42:59,200 --> 01:43:00,920
Speaker 1: easily because it again, you're not it's not like you

1732
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:04,320
Speaker 1: just speared a five or ten pound pike. You not

1733
01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:07,800
Speaker 1: gotta fish that might be fifties sixty upwards, too close

1734
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:11,679
Speaker 1: to two pounds you gotta Yeah, he's attached to a rope,

1735
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:14,400
Speaker 1: So the rope's tied into the shanty. There might have

1736
01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:18,240
Speaker 1: been twenty feet of slack line. I think, you know

1737
01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:22,880
Speaker 1: between where it's tied off and where the in the spearhead. Um,

1738
01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:26,439
Speaker 1: and the times too are serious. They have um oh,

1739
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:30,920
Speaker 1: what's a little toggle called flips out like a barb. Yeah,

1740
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:38,600
Speaker 1: but it's like a harpoon. Yeah, I think it's in

1741
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:43,439
Speaker 1: line and then when there's any back tension, it's out.

1742
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:46,000
Speaker 1: It's out. And we saw a couple of them gets

1743
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:51,160
Speaker 1: speared and it's like literally one time through a minimum

1744
01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:54,040
Speaker 1: of four inches of flesh and it's not coming That

1745
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:56,720
Speaker 1: fish ain't coming off of their Plus the sturgeon is

1746
01:43:56,880 --> 01:44:00,479
Speaker 1: it's a that skin is like shark skin, so scale it. Yeah,

1747
01:44:00,520 --> 01:44:04,479
Speaker 1: it's not coming off of there. Um. So yeah, fast

1748
01:44:04,479 --> 01:44:10,720
Speaker 1: forward to opening morning. Uh, you get there maybe six thirty.

1749
01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:13,880
Speaker 1: You can't start spear until seven Surgeon spearing goes some

1750
01:44:14,120 --> 01:44:20,800
Speaker 1: seven am till one every single day. Everybody's inside a house. Yeah,

1751
01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:23,519
Speaker 1: well you can't have your spears inside the house. It

1752
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:27,080
Speaker 1: always open like your your trap doors are open. Your

1753
01:44:27,120 --> 01:44:29,639
Speaker 1: spears have to be outside the house until seven am

1754
01:44:29,720 --> 01:44:31,640
Speaker 1: and then at one pm the spears had to go

1755
01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:34,799
Speaker 1: out while you're closing everything down. Once the hole is closed,

1756
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:39,000
Speaker 1: the spears can come back in. You know. Um, you

1757
01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:41,640
Speaker 1: used to be able to spear twenty four hours a day,

1758
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:44,720
Speaker 1: shine a spotlight down in there. Yeah, and they they

1759
01:44:44,840 --> 01:44:48,839
Speaker 1: that actually, um proved to be a little too effective. Um.

1760
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:52,839
Speaker 1: They used to have these party tents like forty ft across.

1761
01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:56,240
Speaker 1: They would cut giant holes and the whole thing would

1762
01:44:56,240 --> 01:45:01,040
Speaker 1: be lined with dudes and spears, just eating, drinking and

1763
01:45:01,080 --> 01:45:03,120
Speaker 1: waiting for a sturgeon to come across. I mean a

1764
01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:06,320
Speaker 1: thing that you could swim across, you know, and just

1765
01:45:06,600 --> 01:45:09,400
Speaker 1: a giant ass tent. And um, they'd run them all

1766
01:45:09,479 --> 01:45:13,479
Speaker 1: night long, big big light in there. Ship sounds like

1767
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:17,960
Speaker 1: a good time. Um. But uh yeah, so for me

1768
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:21,400
Speaker 1: opening day, so yeah, basically it's seven, it's like, okay,

1769
01:45:21,560 --> 01:45:25,800
Speaker 1: spears in and then start watching the camera. Um. And

1770
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:30,120
Speaker 1: I think it like the group started seeing some around nine.

1771
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:32,360
Speaker 1: We might have had someone missed one at nine, and

1772
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:38,719
Speaker 1: it wasn't long after maybe ten eleven. Am. Um, Jake's

1773
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:42,840
Speaker 1: like he caught a fish on his flasher, so he

1774
01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:44,840
Speaker 1: was running a flasher just to be like, maybe it

1775
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:47,800
Speaker 1: might give us a second heads up that a fish

1776
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:50,720
Speaker 1: is coming here. But he's like, um, looks like a

1777
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:52,960
Speaker 1: small fish. Looks like a small fish. And then all

1778
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:54,800
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, he sees it on his screen.

1779
01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:56,840
Speaker 1: He's like, no, no no, what's there. Surge and Sturgeon like

1780
01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:59,760
Speaker 1: get ready, you know. So we all jump up and

1781
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:02,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my screen. I can see so in

1782
01:46:02,760 --> 01:46:04,840
Speaker 1: my screen, I can see a decoy and then his

1783
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:07,559
Speaker 1: camera behind it, and he's seeing the decoy in my

1784
01:46:07,680 --> 01:46:10,720
Speaker 1: camera in his screen, and it looks like the fish

1785
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:14,240
Speaker 1: has come up and is basically angled and right at

1786
01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:17,080
Speaker 1: the decoy, and so I see that I kind of

1787
01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:19,760
Speaker 1: placed my spear like parallel with the line of the

1788
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:23,160
Speaker 1: decoy going down. I look up again. He's still there.

1789
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:26,080
Speaker 1: And at the same time Jake and I we weren't

1790
01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:28,719
Speaker 1: counting or anything. It just happened both of us throw spears,

1791
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:35,120
Speaker 1: and uh, I think that we corralled him because I

1792
01:46:35,200 --> 01:46:37,120
Speaker 1: look back up of the screen and I just see

1793
01:46:37,240 --> 01:46:41,799
Speaker 1: the tail swimming straight away from I mean, I can't explain.

1794
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:44,840
Speaker 1: It means like the decoy was there. I knew where

1795
01:46:44,840 --> 01:46:46,719
Speaker 1: the fish was on the right side of the decoy.

1796
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:49,960
Speaker 1: Both of us had spears on the right side, and

1797
01:46:50,160 --> 01:46:53,200
Speaker 1: it was either that. We also heard stories that, um,

1798
01:46:53,240 --> 01:46:58,800
Speaker 1: their head is so bony and you can deflate, so

1799
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:01,960
Speaker 1: there's a chance we could have reflected the head, especially

1800
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:04,000
Speaker 1: because he was right out of decoy, because I probably

1801
01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:07,559
Speaker 1: wasn't the heads eighteen inches long, and so I might

1802
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:10,719
Speaker 1: have not been back far enough. But do you remember

1803
01:47:10,760 --> 01:47:14,879
Speaker 1: when remember in Guyana and we had that big catfish,

1804
01:47:14,920 --> 01:47:17,880
Speaker 1: that big banana catfish, and I cocked back with my

1805
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:20,880
Speaker 1: bow and a fish arrow on there h and shot

1806
01:47:20,920 --> 01:47:23,840
Speaker 1: and everybody, oh, you missed, you missed, too missed. But

1807
01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:28,200
Speaker 1: it ricocheted off his head. A fish arrow out of

1808
01:47:28,240 --> 01:47:33,200
Speaker 1: a bow, no water, You aim for the head, not aim.

1809
01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:36,840
Speaker 1: I held it up to his head. I don't remember

1810
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:40,840
Speaker 1: that a fish arrow, right, So there you go. It

1811
01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:45,400
Speaker 1: could happen, yea. And probably what five minutes after that,

1812
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:49,200
Speaker 1: we had one swim under our shack and did a

1813
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:54,000
Speaker 1: similar moment. And it's it's difficult to describe how hard

1814
01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:56,920
Speaker 1: it is to triangulate your position because I didn't have

1815
01:47:56,960 --> 01:47:58,599
Speaker 1: the big screen TVs. We just had a little ten

1816
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:01,920
Speaker 1: inch Markham's. And I'm looking down at that going okay,

1817
01:48:02,439 --> 01:48:06,080
Speaker 1: that's what the screen says, there's the decoy should be here,

1818
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:09,120
Speaker 1: and just hucking that thing and praying, and I thought

1819
01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:12,240
Speaker 1: I thought I nailed that first one. I was so

1820
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:14,799
Speaker 1: excited because there was a bunch of tention on that line,

1821
01:48:15,479 --> 01:48:17,320
Speaker 1: and it was coming up kind of wiggling back and forth,

1822
01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:19,160
Speaker 1: like oh I got him, I got him, Bran, I

1823
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:21,960
Speaker 1: got him. And what I had done was drilled three

1824
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:26,519
Speaker 1: times through that soft it and it was just buried

1825
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:30,040
Speaker 1: in that muck and started coming up and like I'm like,

1826
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:38,160
Speaker 1: oh man, I got him. No, not even close. You

1827
01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:43,960
Speaker 1: can get one dislike him at home depot. It took

1828
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:46,360
Speaker 1: me a good half an hour to dig those barbs

1829
01:48:46,360 --> 01:48:48,160
Speaker 1: out of that freaking soft it. Like I had to

1830
01:48:48,200 --> 01:48:50,240
Speaker 1: take the whole thing out of the shack and it

1831
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:54,599
Speaker 1: took forever. So out of your out of your party. Yep.

1832
01:48:54,800 --> 01:48:58,599
Speaker 1: What was the hall too? Which is really really good

1833
01:48:58,920 --> 01:49:02,840
Speaker 1: because that weekend and I think that not weekend three days.

1834
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:06,360
Speaker 1: We finished Saturday, Sunday, Monday speared and I think the

1835
01:49:06,360 --> 01:49:11,439
Speaker 1: whole leg produced around a hundred right, Yeah, I'd have

1836
01:49:11,479 --> 01:49:13,600
Speaker 1: to go back and look, I've been reading the reports

1837
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:15,559
Speaker 1: as they come out daily through the whole season, so

1838
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:17,880
Speaker 1: my my memories muddy to be, but I'm pretty sure

1839
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:20,880
Speaker 1: it's right around a hundred and three days and that's

1840
01:49:21,479 --> 01:49:26,559
Speaker 1: five thousand spears and we got to fish. I think

1841
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:30,200
Speaker 1: the Jake's homework pays off and we missed I mean

1842
01:49:30,240 --> 01:49:34,280
Speaker 1: I missed two. Yeah, you guys, we definitely had We

1843
01:49:34,360 --> 01:49:38,000
Speaker 1: definitely had some other opportunities in the group. Having not

1844
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:39,920
Speaker 1: been there, I'm sitting there being like I would have

1845
01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:49,200
Speaker 1: gotten them all here somewhere. Something didn't imagine how good

1846
01:49:49,240 --> 01:49:52,280
Speaker 1: you would have done something. Something to mention is that

1847
01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:56,200
Speaker 1: the camera use is pretty controversial because of what we're explaining.

1848
01:49:56,280 --> 01:50:01,600
Speaker 1: Right you're basically chucking it into the darkness hoping to

1849
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:04,360
Speaker 1: get a time in there. You don't know sometimes you

1850
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:07,040
Speaker 1: know what's happening down there if you're hurting them at all.

1851
01:50:07,720 --> 01:50:11,559
Speaker 1: The DNR has surveyed the public like two or three

1852
01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:14,880
Speaker 1: times about it, and it's every time it's been a

1853
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:18,599
Speaker 1: third are cool with it, a third don't give a ship,

1854
01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:22,559
Speaker 1: and a third, uh, don't aren't into it. So they're like,

1855
01:50:23,240 --> 01:50:26,360
Speaker 1: until right now, it's like kind of a social problem

1856
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:29,160
Speaker 1: because there's just people sort of you know, fighting about

1857
01:50:29,160 --> 01:50:30,880
Speaker 1: whether they should be using or not. He's like, until

1858
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:34,559
Speaker 1: it becomes a biological problem and it becomes too efficient,

1859
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:37,720
Speaker 1: Like it's not our problem, what's your personal take on it?

1860
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:42,880
Speaker 1: Can here you are king of the king of the universe. Um,

1861
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:46,920
Speaker 1: even with the cameraman. It is hard. Yeah, so I'm

1862
01:50:46,920 --> 01:50:50,400
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna let it roll. Um. He spreads people

1863
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:53,200
Speaker 1: out too, because listen, there were there's like the other

1864
01:50:53,240 --> 01:50:57,000
Speaker 1: side of the lake because of currents um and you know,

1865
01:50:57,080 --> 01:50:59,599
Speaker 1: less allergy bloom or whatever. There was plenty of people

1866
01:50:59,640 --> 01:51:02,320
Speaker 1: that we talk to that speared surgeon in eight feet

1867
01:51:02,360 --> 01:51:04,160
Speaker 1: of super clear water and they could see the bottom.

1868
01:51:04,360 --> 01:51:06,680
Speaker 1: So you could choose to go and do that. But

1869
01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:09,840
Speaker 1: Jake's series like, yeah, that's fine, you're gonna see the fish.

1870
01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:12,360
Speaker 1: But over there, I think that there's ten percent of

1871
01:51:12,360 --> 01:51:16,120
Speaker 1: the fish over there then where we were fishing more water. Yes,

1872
01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:19,280
Speaker 1: now it spreads people out. Did you bring me a

1873
01:51:19,400 --> 01:51:24,120
Speaker 1: container of the caviar? Yes, how we haven't handed it

1874
01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:26,880
Speaker 1: over to me. Oh you, I didn't bring you a

1875
01:51:26,920 --> 01:51:30,920
Speaker 1: personal little uh steve container. I brought home one court

1876
01:51:31,120 --> 01:51:34,080
Speaker 1: and it is in the office refrigerator, and Miles and

1877
01:51:34,160 --> 01:51:37,040
Speaker 1: I are planning on having basically an office little parties

1878
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:40,360
Speaker 1: everybody can get in. There's so much that if you

1879
01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:41,880
Speaker 1: want to take some of home, you will be able

1880
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:46,800
Speaker 1: to hou. We'll have some crackers. Yeah, you want to

1881
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:50,559
Speaker 1: keep it simple. Are you got you got your ivory spoons? No, oh,

1882
01:51:50,600 --> 01:51:52,760
Speaker 1: I used to have a caviar spoon, man, when I

1883
01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:54,960
Speaker 1: was working on my first book. I had occasion when

1884
01:51:54,960 --> 01:51:56,160
Speaker 1: I was working on my first book to get a

1885
01:51:56,200 --> 01:51:59,080
Speaker 1: caviar spoon. But we want to be we had so

1886
01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:01,080
Speaker 1: much whitefish can vy are like great, like you know

1887
01:52:01,120 --> 01:52:04,680
Speaker 1: lake whitefish caviar. We're eating it on cool ranchedritos. I

1888
01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:06,280
Speaker 1: mean we couldn't get through it all. Man. It was

1889
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:09,080
Speaker 1: a weird like salsa. Yeah, it was just like like

1890
01:52:09,120 --> 01:52:12,000
Speaker 1: a too many eggs. Man. Did you you make your

1891
01:52:12,360 --> 01:52:16,120
Speaker 1: your tasting spoon out of you know, something highly illegal? No,

1892
01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:19,040
Speaker 1: I didn't do that. I wish I would. Um, I

1893
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:21,439
Speaker 1: can't remember how. But as part of the book, I

1894
01:52:21,439 --> 01:52:23,960
Speaker 1: can't remember why. But I did order a couple of

1895
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:28,040
Speaker 1: caviar spoons. Not legal ones though, like you know, like

1896
01:52:28,520 --> 01:52:33,559
Speaker 1: abalone shell, ivory, mother of pearl and stuff. Yeah. Did

1897
01:52:33,560 --> 01:52:35,320
Speaker 1: you get robbed over there? Your bait get robbed? You?

1898
01:52:35,600 --> 01:52:38,000
Speaker 1: I still got half of it. I'm gonna let it roll. Yeah,

1899
01:52:38,360 --> 01:52:39,800
Speaker 1: it was a lot more to it, man, But you,

1900
01:52:39,960 --> 01:52:43,559
Speaker 1: like I said, phenomenal bit of hole like great job,

1901
01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:51,000
Speaker 1: good interesting day. Yeah, there's anything we need to wrap

1902
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:53,360
Speaker 1: it up on. I mean we could the cultural part

1903
01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:55,080
Speaker 1: was awesome. Yeah, we do. You need to throw a

1904
01:52:55,080 --> 01:52:58,640
Speaker 1: shout out to Mary Lucia talking about the big you know,

1905
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:03,519
Speaker 1: she's the decoy car. Remember the rhythmics kind of the videos.

1906
01:53:03,800 --> 01:53:06,519
Speaker 1: I don't remember the video well, like yeah, like Anie

1907
01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:08,840
Speaker 1: Lennox would be doing everything, but then that dude wold

1908
01:53:08,800 --> 01:53:12,599
Speaker 1: always be in the background. I feel like that's Miles,

1909
01:53:12,640 --> 01:53:15,320
Speaker 1: Like Yanni's like any Lennox and Miles is like that

1910
01:53:15,400 --> 01:53:17,360
Speaker 1: dude in the rhythmics. It was always being like in

1911
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:20,719
Speaker 1: the background. Oh, I was listening to Train in Vain

1912
01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:24,479
Speaker 1: the other day. Is that season closed based on quota

1913
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:26,840
Speaker 1: or just a date? Does it just stay open? And

1914
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:30,080
Speaker 1: if you're looking at when does the Sturgeon season end,

1915
01:53:30,760 --> 01:53:32,800
Speaker 1: it ends in one of two ways. Okay, let me

1916
01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:39,320
Speaker 1: hit that. Uh, how so the season is two weeks? Yeah,

1917
01:53:39,560 --> 01:53:42,880
Speaker 1: let's say conditions are perfect and just people are just

1918
01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:49,719
Speaker 1: killing him NonStop. Is that a possibility? Yes, it does happen. Again,

1919
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:51,840
Speaker 1: I can't remember the exact numbers, but I think we

1920
01:53:51,960 --> 01:53:55,439
Speaker 1: heard of seasons that were closed in four or five days. Oh,

1921
01:53:55,640 --> 01:53:58,240
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to ask. So they so the

1922
01:53:58,280 --> 01:54:02,720
Speaker 1: season doesn't necessarily run its course, it has every year

1923
01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:05,080
Speaker 1: for the past five years because the water clarity has

1924
01:54:05,120 --> 01:54:07,760
Speaker 1: been pretty bad the last five years, but before that

1925
01:54:07,800 --> 01:54:11,120
Speaker 1: they had consistent good years and the seasons were closing,

1926
01:54:11,560 --> 01:54:13,240
Speaker 1: you know, as soon as DNA would set a quote

1927
01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:16,760
Speaker 1: limit saying based on population, it is feasible for us

1928
01:54:16,760 --> 01:54:20,000
Speaker 1: to take this many without hurting the spawning. And it's

1929
01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:23,400
Speaker 1: male female quotas both, and the female quota is the

1930
01:54:23,439 --> 01:54:25,920
Speaker 1: one they're really looking at. When so many females are speared,

1931
01:54:26,160 --> 01:54:30,080
Speaker 1: it's over got you, got you. But the last four

1932
01:54:30,160 --> 01:54:33,720
Speaker 1: years it's run its course two weeks, sixteen days, sixteen

1933
01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:36,400
Speaker 1: days a sixteen day season. Yeah, yeah, I guess that

1934
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:40,480
Speaker 1: makes it three weekends probably. So when you uh, they

1935
01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:43,040
Speaker 1: have way in and checking stations all over the lake,

1936
01:54:43,680 --> 01:54:46,800
Speaker 1: not on the lake, but these uh bars, they call

1937
01:54:46,840 --> 01:54:51,720
Speaker 1: them supper clubs. Um. We went to Jim and Linda's

1938
01:54:52,040 --> 01:54:56,320
Speaker 1: and right out there in Pipe, Wisconsin, and uh crowd

1939
01:54:56,400 --> 01:54:59,440
Speaker 1: gathers there every day right around one pm, because usually

1940
01:54:59,440 --> 01:55:01,600
Speaker 1: people wait all about one if they have a fish

1941
01:55:01,640 --> 01:55:04,920
Speaker 1: to go and go and check it in, and uh

1942
01:55:05,160 --> 01:55:07,680
Speaker 1: there's a pretty big crowd gathered there. You weigh it

1943
01:55:07,800 --> 01:55:11,680
Speaker 1: and then the dnr um cuts it open. Check see

1944
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:15,000
Speaker 1: if it's a male or a female. They then scan it.

1945
01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:17,440
Speaker 1: They're looking for tags. If it's if the fish is

1946
01:55:17,480 --> 01:55:20,920
Speaker 1: tag if they can get some data off of it, um,

1947
01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:23,400
Speaker 1: and then that's it. I mean, I think they you

1948
01:55:23,680 --> 01:55:28,040
Speaker 1: give them some of your personal information and uh, you're

1949
01:55:28,200 --> 01:55:30,440
Speaker 1: ready to go, and it's It was fascinating to me

1950
01:55:30,640 --> 01:55:35,080
Speaker 1: because sturgeon spawn and I think it's generally a six

1951
01:55:35,160 --> 01:55:39,000
Speaker 1: year cycle. Okay, so a female will take six years,

1952
01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:43,240
Speaker 1: males are shorter. Female takes six years in between spawning runs.

1953
01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:46,480
Speaker 1: And they'll run up river to do that UM. But

1954
01:55:46,720 --> 01:55:49,240
Speaker 1: they'll they'll cut it open and just by looking at

1955
01:55:49,320 --> 01:55:52,000
Speaker 1: the color texture the eggs, they'll call it an F one,

1956
01:55:52,120 --> 01:55:54,320
Speaker 1: F two, F three, F four all the way up

1957
01:55:54,320 --> 01:55:57,840
Speaker 1: to six, depending on how developed those eggs are. And

1958
01:55:57,840 --> 01:56:01,000
Speaker 1: the F six everybody wants, right, those are the really

1959
01:56:01,040 --> 01:56:04,800
Speaker 1: really that's the best caviar um. But they had one

1960
01:56:04,920 --> 01:56:06,760
Speaker 1: fish that they had tagged. It was like one of

1961
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:08,840
Speaker 1: the biggest ones. They were tagged up river when she

1962
01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:11,640
Speaker 1: had spawned and she was she she came in at

1963
01:56:11,640 --> 01:56:14,840
Speaker 1: like two pounds or something, and then the next year

1964
01:56:14,880 --> 01:56:18,680
Speaker 1: she got speared and she had shed like sixty pounds weight.

1965
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:22,720
Speaker 1: Same fish same link, just between those cycles of spawning,

1966
01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:25,080
Speaker 1: how long it takes for those eggs developing, how much

1967
01:56:25,120 --> 01:56:28,440
Speaker 1: mass they have. Are most of these guys, I get

1968
01:56:28,440 --> 01:56:30,840
Speaker 1: the caviar by most of these guys, they're grilling it,

1969
01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:35,480
Speaker 1: frying it, cubing it up, and putting cocktail sauce on it. Man,

1970
01:56:35,520 --> 01:56:37,680
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people did not respect

1971
01:56:37,680 --> 01:56:39,200
Speaker 1: the meat of that fish enough. We heard a lot

1972
01:56:39,200 --> 01:56:42,280
Speaker 1: of people saying, oh, it's not very good. I thought

1973
01:56:42,280 --> 01:56:45,080
Speaker 1: it was fantastic. Everywhere we it's it's a fish that

1974
01:56:45,160 --> 01:56:49,480
Speaker 1: they love as much commerce conservation that's been done around it.

1975
01:56:49,560 --> 01:56:52,440
Speaker 1: They loved, kind of hate it because it's not like

1976
01:56:52,520 --> 01:56:54,640
Speaker 1: when you look at it, it's not the most appealing

1977
01:56:54,680 --> 01:56:58,160
Speaker 1: looking thing. It's kind of covered in a slimy mud.

1978
01:56:58,600 --> 01:57:00,080
Speaker 1: You know. The first thing everybody says, you guys, do

1979
01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:02,040
Speaker 1: sin as you get at home is pressure wash it,

1980
01:57:02,200 --> 01:57:07,720
Speaker 1: you know, before you start you know, fileting it or whatever. Um.

1981
01:57:07,840 --> 01:57:10,880
Speaker 1: So that was a little bit interesting because we didn't

1982
01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:12,920
Speaker 1: really find anybody that was like, oh, I can't wait

1983
01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:14,880
Speaker 1: to put some you know, hopefully I'll get some free

1984
01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:18,400
Speaker 1: from sturgeon meat from my freezer. But it was sturgeon meat,

1985
01:57:18,480 --> 01:57:21,400
Speaker 1: and I mean habitat destruction. But it was like commercial

1986
01:57:21,640 --> 01:57:25,840
Speaker 1: harvested knocked them down so bad. Yeah, but that was

1987
01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:31,080
Speaker 1: about all about the eggs there after. Yeah, Now we

1988
01:57:31,160 --> 01:57:36,960
Speaker 1: did get lucky and went over to our friend Chester

1989
01:57:37,440 --> 01:57:43,440
Speaker 1: and Ike and Fenton Floyd's parents house, and there they

1990
01:57:43,560 --> 01:57:45,760
Speaker 1: invited us over for dinner. And we said, you know,

1991
01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:49,680
Speaker 1: dinner sounds great, and since I could spired a sturgeon,

1992
01:57:49,680 --> 01:57:52,200
Speaker 1: it would be awesome if we could try some sturgeon.

1993
01:57:52,240 --> 01:57:55,360
Speaker 1: We really want to try some sturgeon meat. And um,

1994
01:57:55,400 --> 01:57:57,240
Speaker 1: a few a few people have said, oh, you guys

1995
01:57:57,240 --> 01:57:59,480
Speaker 1: are going over the Floyd's for dinner, lucky you you know,

1996
01:58:00,720 --> 01:58:04,200
Speaker 1: is it Peggy? Peggy real good cook? You know we're

1997
01:58:04,200 --> 01:58:07,120
Speaker 1: taking okay, well, you know yeah, typical Midwest mom, you know,

1998
01:58:07,120 --> 01:58:08,840
Speaker 1: don't probably throw it out and be some good cooking.

1999
01:58:09,160 --> 01:58:12,440
Speaker 1: Well we roll in there and she's prepared six courses

2000
01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:14,880
Speaker 1: that would go toe to toe with any of the

2001
01:58:14,920 --> 01:58:19,160
Speaker 1: six courses that I could prepare, like just solid. She

2002
01:58:19,240 --> 01:58:24,160
Speaker 1: had smoked some and then turned it into a dip.

2003
01:58:25,080 --> 01:58:27,720
Speaker 1: She had I don't know what she did with the meat,

2004
01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:32,240
Speaker 1: probably posted or something and turned some into fish cakes. Um.

2005
01:58:32,400 --> 01:58:35,920
Speaker 1: She did her plain fried piece over a little salad

2006
01:58:35,960 --> 01:58:46,640
Speaker 1: with a little vinaigrette. It was just like her name. Um,

2007
01:58:46,680 --> 01:58:51,160
Speaker 1: she's happily married. Um. But she did that one specifically,

2008
01:58:51,240 --> 01:58:53,080
Speaker 1: She's said. As for me, I just I don't know.

2009
01:58:53,400 --> 01:58:58,480
Speaker 1: She might be wondering. She did specifically so that, you, um,

2010
01:58:58,640 --> 01:59:00,920
Speaker 1: so that we could just taste the flesh. You know,

2011
01:59:01,200 --> 01:59:03,800
Speaker 1: it wasn't covered up with sauces in this, that and

2012
01:59:03,880 --> 01:59:05,800
Speaker 1: anything else. You know, I'm really gonna taste for it.

2013
01:59:06,400 --> 01:59:10,680
Speaker 1: Um what else was there? Oh, I gotta make curvefish

2014
01:59:10,720 --> 01:59:12,720
Speaker 1: curry more. You know, we've had it a couple of

2015
01:59:12,720 --> 01:59:14,400
Speaker 1: times over the years, and for some reason, I just

2016
01:59:14,440 --> 01:59:17,520
Speaker 1: don't do it at home. But she made fish curry,

2017
01:59:17,720 --> 01:59:21,960
Speaker 1: serve it over rice, real plain and simple and just awesome.

2018
01:59:22,160 --> 01:59:28,000
Speaker 1: So and then a a sturgeon schnitzel really with asparagus

2019
01:59:28,040 --> 01:59:33,640
Speaker 1: and hollandaise, Oh, buddies, like a double red carpet gold

2020
01:59:33,720 --> 01:59:37,240
Speaker 1: line man. Incredible And every one of those preparations. That

2021
01:59:37,320 --> 01:59:42,360
Speaker 1: fish was really very Uh you know, Steaky's go down

2022
01:59:42,400 --> 01:59:45,800
Speaker 1: to that supper club place and through a little sampler

2023
01:59:45,880 --> 01:59:49,080
Speaker 1: so people stop being dumbasses about their sturgeon meat. Well,

2024
01:59:49,080 --> 01:59:51,200
Speaker 1: I mean it's one of those things. And we talked

2025
01:59:51,200 --> 01:59:53,440
Speaker 1: about this all the time, right, It's how you take

2026
01:59:53,480 --> 01:59:55,560
Speaker 1: care of your game, is what it's gonna taste like.

2027
01:59:55,600 --> 01:59:58,160
Speaker 1: And a lot of the tradition there is you get

2028
01:59:58,160 --> 02:00:00,800
Speaker 1: your fish and you paraded her round the ice to

2029
02:00:00,840 --> 02:00:04,440
Speaker 1: every bar, like, look what I got. Yeah, it's cold out.

2030
02:00:05,360 --> 02:00:10,040
Speaker 1: It's probably still not the best way to handle your fish. Yeah,

2031
02:00:10,120 --> 02:00:12,440
Speaker 1: but when you get some beautiful blue fin tune, I

2032
02:00:12,480 --> 02:00:15,880
Speaker 1: doubt they No, they tend to probably get it on.

2033
02:00:16,640 --> 02:00:18,960
Speaker 1: Do you want to get that thing iced up real

2034
02:00:19,080 --> 02:00:23,880
Speaker 1: quick and away from the guts? Uh quick story she

2035
02:00:23,960 --> 02:00:27,640
Speaker 1: didn't turn into hot dish or cast role. That's the

2036
02:00:27,680 --> 02:00:30,240
Speaker 1: next day. I gotta I know a guy that, uh

2037
02:00:30,280 --> 02:00:35,280
Speaker 1: you know they're close relative the paddlefish. Um, I know guy,

2038
02:00:35,280 --> 02:00:37,640
Speaker 1: it caught a paddlefish and he was it was a

2039
02:00:37,680 --> 02:00:41,800
Speaker 1: giant and he wanted to get it officially weighed, and

2040
02:00:41,840 --> 02:00:45,120
Speaker 1: he wrapped it up in a uh what he gotta

2041
02:00:45,160 --> 02:00:47,240
Speaker 1: sleep He was camping, so you gotta sleep bag, dunked

2042
02:00:47,280 --> 02:00:51,000
Speaker 1: in the river, wrapped the paddlefish up. I heard this

2043
02:00:51,080 --> 02:00:54,000
Speaker 1: through the tax nevers. Tax nevers telling me a guy,

2044
02:00:55,680 --> 02:00:57,560
Speaker 1: a guy caught a paddlefish, wrapped it up in a

2045
02:00:57,600 --> 02:01:01,560
Speaker 1: wet sleeping bag. Drives to the hour to him because

2046
02:01:01,560 --> 02:01:03,680
Speaker 1: he wants it mounted, but he doesn't need the body,

2047
02:01:04,760 --> 02:01:07,080
Speaker 1: and he's gonna wait on it. But the textures doesn't

2048
02:01:07,080 --> 02:01:10,040
Speaker 1: need the body because they just use a fire glass form.

2049
02:01:10,080 --> 02:01:14,600
Speaker 1: He takes that paddlefish down to the river and the

2050
02:01:14,720 --> 02:01:17,640
Speaker 1: same river that came out of it takes down the river.

2051
02:01:17,720 --> 02:01:21,480
Speaker 1: Let's go on. It swims off, no ship. That's awesome

2052
02:01:21,680 --> 02:01:25,440
Speaker 1: driving around, driving around a guy's trucking a wet sleeping bad.

2053
02:01:27,160 --> 02:01:29,520
Speaker 1: I met you, the surgeon. Even with a couple of

2054
02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:32,960
Speaker 1: spear holes in their tail, they could probably go to

2055
02:01:33,000 --> 02:01:37,240
Speaker 1: a couple of bars and hang on a fish pole,

2056
02:01:37,360 --> 02:01:39,800
Speaker 1: for it's basically like a big buck pole. But they

2057
02:01:39,800 --> 02:01:42,840
Speaker 1: haven't met these bars for the surgeon and hang out

2058
02:01:42,840 --> 02:01:44,960
Speaker 1: there for a few hours, and he could probably release

2059
02:01:45,000 --> 02:01:48,080
Speaker 1: those things and they probably swim off too. I'm not

2060
02:01:48,120 --> 02:01:51,320
Speaker 1: saying that. I'm not saying it to contradict your observation.

2061
02:01:51,400 --> 02:01:52,840
Speaker 1: You have to take it care of it because, like JT.

2062
02:01:53,000 --> 02:01:55,760
Speaker 1: Van's aunt says, man, when you catch a fish and

2063
02:01:56,120 --> 02:02:00,080
Speaker 1: you treat it right towards the meal, you're sort of

2064
02:02:00,160 --> 02:02:05,120
Speaker 1: like setting there's like a spiritual quality to it. Yeah,

2065
02:02:05,400 --> 02:02:08,120
Speaker 1: you're setting a thing into motion, you know, that you

2066
02:02:08,640 --> 02:02:11,920
Speaker 1: haven't touched the fish. You gill it, you wash it.

2067
02:02:11,920 --> 02:02:15,400
Speaker 1: It's like you're you're, you're you're putting it on a path,

2068
02:02:16,960 --> 02:02:20,640
Speaker 1: a path of respect. Yeah, and you're you're conceiving of

2069
02:02:20,680 --> 02:02:23,880
Speaker 1: that fish as food from the get go, not just

2070
02:02:24,440 --> 02:02:25,680
Speaker 1: something to be proud of it and show off to

2071
02:02:25,720 --> 02:02:28,680
Speaker 1: your buddies while you get drunk. Which nothing. No, I'm

2072
02:02:28,680 --> 02:02:30,520
Speaker 1: not dogging that practice in any way. I've done that

2073
02:02:30,520 --> 02:02:32,920
Speaker 1: many many times. But with these fish, to me, it

2074
02:02:33,000 --> 02:02:36,000
Speaker 1: seemed like the culture, and who knows, will change, but

2075
02:02:36,040 --> 02:02:39,160
Speaker 1: the culture really was more about being excited about the

2076
02:02:39,240 --> 02:02:44,760
Speaker 1: catch more than being excited about the consumption. And I

2077
02:02:44,800 --> 02:02:46,720
Speaker 1: was skeptical. I mean, I don't know where you were, Yohnnie,

2078
02:02:46,760 --> 02:02:49,840
Speaker 1: but I've heard so many people were like, you can't

2079
02:02:49,840 --> 02:02:59,480
Speaker 1: eat them. I mean, we do talk about Biggin's. Everybody

2080
02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:03,400
Speaker 1: else got had any rods in their hands? Miles, Yeah, great.

2081
02:03:03,440 --> 02:03:05,160
Speaker 1: I know we didn't cover all of the fur head

2082
02:03:05,200 --> 02:03:07,520
Speaker 1: Ice tour adventures will be more in the future. You

2083
02:03:07,560 --> 02:03:09,840
Speaker 1: brought me some caviart will not necessarily me, but you

2084
02:03:09,840 --> 02:03:14,360
Speaker 1: brought some caviart that I'm gonna be able to partake of. Um.

2085
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Speaker 1: Good to have you back. Sure, you'll miss more of

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Speaker 1: our shows. Thanks everybody. That song you were singing earlier,

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Speaker 1: changes that saw a dog run by change uh fill

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Speaker 1: the engineer. I assuming you enjoyed yourself. You didn't really

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Speaker 1: say much. I'm just soaking it in. I don't have

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Speaker 1: much to add, but I don't want to try some

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Speaker 1: sturgeon though. Good job Phil, Thanks way to bring her

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Speaker 1: home all right, Thanks everybody, see him se