Speaker 1: Two Teas in a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and Camra
Speaker 1: j Edge.
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Two Teas in
Speaker 2: a Pod. Me and Tamara are so excited to welcome
Speaker 2: on Real Housewives of New Jersey's Margaret Josephs. She really
Speaker 2: brought it this season in more ways than one.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna put her on the twat seat because
Speaker 3: we have a lot of questions for Margaret.
Speaker 2: We have a lot of questions for Margaret.
Speaker 3: Be nice.
Speaker 2: All right, let's bring on March.
Speaker 3: Where are you?
Speaker 4: I wanted to look good for you, guys, but you
Speaker 4: know I'm in Chicago. I have to go to a
Speaker 4: baseball game June event.
Speaker 3: You look great.
Speaker 4: What are you doing?
Speaker 3: What are you doing in Chicago?
Speaker 4: I have my beverage at a stadium met Chicago White
Speaker 4: Sox Stadium, So I.
Speaker 3: Know that's big.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is, it is, it is big. They've been
Speaker 4: in postulations, thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I have
Speaker 4: a big meet and greet with me and everybody trying
Speaker 4: the beverage who hasn't tried it? So yeah, they've sailed there.
Speaker 4: So I come to Chicago a lot promoting and what's.
Speaker 2: The beverage called so our listeners can get it.
Speaker 4: Thank you. It's soare it's a mocktail. It's a very
Speaker 4: elevated experience, multi layer flavors. And I'm a non judging
Speaker 4: non drinker, so you could use as a mixer as well.
Speaker 2: Oh I love a non judging non drinker. We need
Speaker 2: sore hats. Those are cute hats.
Speaker 4: I will send you hats.
Speaker 3: Yeah, send us the drink too.
Speaker 5: But I'm I'm going to get pissed like you a
Speaker 5: Jackie for the book if I don't actually get that
Speaker 5: hat though.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, what are you kidding me? You're totally
Speaker 4: getting the hat and drinks.
Speaker 3: To be honest, you know we will hold it against
Speaker 3: you if you don't send it to hold.
Speaker 4: It against me. No, you will have the drinks and
Speaker 4: they taste great. Your kids could drink it. They're all natural,
Speaker 4: real juice being and kosher, gluten free. How nice you'll
Speaker 4: like it? Yes?
Speaker 3: Nice? Nice? Well, Marge, let's just get into it.
Speaker 4: This seasons.
Speaker 3: It's been so explosive, to say the least. How do
Speaker 3: you feel now that filming is completely wrapped? Do you
Speaker 3: feel relieved? What has changed? Let's hear it all.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think it much has really changed.
Speaker 4: I think what I feel obviously, I feel vindicated. I
Speaker 4: love that everybody sees what I've seen all along, and
Speaker 4: I'm happy, you know, everybody the truth has come out, though,
Speaker 4: you know, I really didn't find out the real hard
Speaker 4: truth till a week before we film that finale.
Speaker 3: So don't you love when God drops a nugget like
Speaker 3: that on your lap when you're filming in Housewalk?
Speaker 4: Yes, it was like a gift from God. I think
Speaker 4: it just it was so serendipitous the way everything had happened.
Speaker 4: The truth is, if they didn't have that burn party
Speaker 4: about me, I would have never really found out what
Speaker 4: Jackie had done.
Speaker 3: Because what made you think to call Louis X? I
Speaker 3: find out?
Speaker 4: I called really the attorney. At first, I was trying
Speaker 4: to get in touch with that attorney because I was like,
Speaker 4: what could be in these law documents?
Speaker 3: Why what attorney are you talking about her?
Speaker 4: At the ex's attorney, I was trying to get in
Speaker 4: touch with him, and I was like, can I reach
Speaker 4: out to your attorney? What could be in these court documents?
Speaker 4: Is this even legal? I was like, what would they
Speaker 4: be saying about me? What why would I be involved
Speaker 4: in this I was never involved in this court case.
Speaker 2: Can you clear something up for me? Because the timeline
Speaker 2: I'm a very.
Speaker 5: Like Yes, I think the timeline okay, Because first we
Speaker 5: hear there's a lot of speculation and confusion regarding when
Speaker 5: you started speaking to Louis X. First with Dolores, you
Speaker 5: say you'd spoken to her and then say you'd seen
Speaker 5: her at events. Then you said you had interacted with
Speaker 5: her until New York, meaning last year's reunion, but then
Speaker 5: you said you messaged her in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: Then at the final sit down you say called okay.
Speaker 5: Then at the final sit down you say you had
Speaker 5: called her last week to get infos, so you obviously
Speaker 5: had her phone number and she was worse.
Speaker 2: Why'd you initially fit on that I didn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't fit on that. I didn't fit on that
Speaker 4: I didn't never said I will tell you exactly.
Speaker 3: Tell us the timeline I'm gonna tell.
Speaker 4: I want to clear up the timeline.
Speaker 5: Because the people are a little bit suspicious because they
Speaker 5: said you've previously been just giving the info. You've previously
Speaker 5: been accused by Siggy of reaching out to her husband's
Speaker 5: ex wife while she was on the show.
Speaker 2: Is that true?
Speaker 6: And then also clear at the time. Okay, I'm going
Speaker 6: to go sorry by story. Let's just see first. First
Speaker 6: of all, poor Ciggy, the ex wife has passed away. Sean,
Speaker 6: who is a lovely woman. She had reached out to me.
Speaker 6: Sean reached out to me. Every A lot of people
Speaker 6: knew her.
Speaker 4: She had reached out to me very nicely, and I
Speaker 4: had known her and a lot of people on our
Speaker 4: air re knew her. I never said anything. She had
Speaker 4: written to me, you know, just to be nice. Was
Speaker 4: very grateful that, you know, she said that I saw
Speaker 4: who they were. That was it. There was no discussion whatsoever.
Speaker 4: Sean was friends with a lot of people in our town,
Speaker 4: and that was it. Segge clearly, we all know who
Speaker 4: she is. She's severe issues, and I think everybody saw
Speaker 4: who she really is. I never reached out to Sean.
Speaker 4: That's a fact, every and everybody. She's a lovely she was.
Speaker 4: She was a lovely woman, and a lot of my friends,
Speaker 4: you know, were very sad when she had passed away.
Speaker 4: So that's it. So Siggie could now make up stories
Speaker 4: because Sean cannot say anything. Okay, too, the Vanessa story
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty one. I had never ever spoken to Vanessa.
Speaker 4: She wasn't reaching out to me. You know, of course
Speaker 4: you'd get.
Speaker 2: This prior or after the Warrior video.
Speaker 4: Prior and after the Warrior video. Twenty twenty one. Louis
Speaker 4: came on the show and starting Theresa in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4: I never you know, the video came out in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty one, right when we had started filming. Actually, I
Speaker 4: had seen it, as the rest of the world had
Speaker 4: seen it. I had no idea about it. Had I
Speaker 4: had seen it on my way to a Joe Gorgan
Speaker 4: comedy event with Melissa and Dolores. We were all like ah,
Speaker 4: and then production was like, you guys got to talk
Speaker 4: about this video. I knew nothing about it. And then
Speaker 4: I told Teresa, get ahead of bit, make it not
Speaker 4: a bit. Yeah. I wanted them just to clear it up.
Speaker 4: I said, talk about it whatever it is. That season
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one never had anything to do with Vanessa,
Speaker 4: nothing like that. They were accusing me. Things were coming out,
Speaker 4: So all the flashbacks they're showing when she was accusing
Speaker 4: me of these things, I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 4: there's I am saying I never spoke to I didn't
Speaker 4: had nothing zero to do with it, and I would
Speaker 4: never leak anything. I don't have to leak anything. Everybody
Speaker 4: who wants to put things out there, be it ex
Speaker 4: girl friend's, ex wives, knows how to put things out there.
Speaker 4: I say it right to your face. I don't need
Speaker 4: to put shit out there. I'll bring it right to
Speaker 4: your face to say this is what's going on. I
Speaker 4: don't need to leak to the blogs. I mean, that's nonsense.
Speaker 3: Leave that to jen Aiden.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you leave that to other people on my cast
Speaker 4: who hire people. So with that being said, twenty twenty two, okay,
Speaker 4: after now, we had the next reunion coming up. When
Speaker 4: they were accusing me, I was wearing the gold dress
Speaker 4: and everything I knew they had speaken spoken to Laura.
Speaker 4: At that point, we had disgusted that reunion. It was
Speaker 4: not on the show. Yet it was not on the show.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is leading up to Laura, who we
Speaker 2: never even really saw, and we talked about it.
Speaker 4: No one ever even knew, but I knew, Melissa knew,
Speaker 4: you know, and everything else. You know. Vanessa would DM
Speaker 4: me and say I like your shoes. So when I
Speaker 4: say to Dlores, Yeah, I had contact with her after
Speaker 4: the Laura thing. I would then feel comfortable responding to her.
Speaker 4: Do you know what I'm saying be a DM. So
Speaker 4: I'm saying, yes, I spoke to her, meaning I had comfort.
Speaker 4: I was comfortable enough to then respond to her like,
Speaker 4: you know what, these people are sick. They're accusing me
Speaker 4: of these things, and now they went and spoke to Laura,
Speaker 4: or they're they're doing all these horrible Yes, where there
Speaker 4: is smoke, there is fire, something's going on. Look what
Speaker 4: they're doing. She would say to me, where'd you get
Speaker 4: that sweater? Or you know, or so you were great
Speaker 4: on this season. I love how you were on the reunion.
Speaker 3: You know, things like that, mall talk.
Speaker 4: Small small talk, okay, things like that nothing you know nothing,
Speaker 4: or she you guys sn't Would she say she didn't
Speaker 4: like something like oh my god, they're horrible, Yes, you know,
Speaker 4: and I'd write, OI, you know little things like that
Speaker 4: now we do. When I said I saw her at events,
Speaker 4: she was at a joke org, a comedy event. Yes,
Speaker 4: she was there.
Speaker 2: Did I do you find that odd?
Speaker 4: Did I find it odd?
Speaker 5: Like if I had a toxic X that I never
Speaker 5: want to see her be a part of anything having
Speaker 5: to do with him. I don't know that I would
Speaker 5: show up at events of people that he's now wet.
Speaker 4: I think everybody wanted to expose him. I think both
Speaker 4: of them truthfully were obsessed with each other. Because here's
Speaker 4: where I'm going to say this to the next thing. Okay,
Speaker 4: then the next thing happens. We have, you know, and
Speaker 4: I don't even say. I'm like, I want nothing to
Speaker 4: do with this nonsense. In my head, I'm like, this
Speaker 4: is bullshit. I want nothing to do with it. I
Speaker 4: make up with them. I go to the wet, you know,
Speaker 4: I go to the wedding, and then I find out,
Speaker 4: you know, this whole smear campaign, you know, I the
Speaker 4: bo diedle thing happened before their wedding. They said it
Speaker 4: like I heard it, like come out of his mouth,
Speaker 4: but I wasn't sure what happened. We watched back that season, right,
Speaker 4: We're watching that season, and I hear all this bogetal
Speaker 4: nonsense and he hired a private investigator and all these
Speaker 4: things were going on, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I was like, this is crazy.
Speaker 4: So when I say I watched that back. I was like,
Speaker 4: this is nuts. And then to come to find out
Speaker 4: his ex Vanessa has a lawsuit going on a restraining
Speaker 4: water because it's involving Bodeedle. They did put a fake
Speaker 4: client in her practice. That's a fact, regardless that the
Speaker 4: restraining water was dropped and everything else. He was equally
Speaker 4: is obsessed. Why would they bother putting a fake client
Speaker 4: in her practice? So I was like, okay, so Bo
Speaker 4: Dietle's involved. We were all upset. He says he's having
Speaker 4: the entire cast investigated. He has all these things going on.
Speaker 4: So then I was very comfortable ask Nor, what's going on?
Speaker 4: Is this Bodetle thing real? What's happening here? My you know,
Speaker 4: I hate to even talk about my son. My son
Speaker 4: was contacted. It wasn't just a phone call, it was
Speaker 4: a conversation.
Speaker 5: He asked a question while we talk about the son,
Speaker 5: because I am getting like when we posted our things
Speaker 5: that everyone's saying, why hasn't Marge shown actual proof that
Speaker 5: bo Didle slash Lily contacted her side?
Speaker 4: I will exactly say, Okay, he's a private citizen, he
Speaker 4: wants nothing to do with this show. I am very
Speaker 4: protective clearly of my children. They've never been on the show.
Speaker 4: I don't call them by name. I do none of
Speaker 4: those things. That is, the network would never allow me
Speaker 4: to talk about it say those things as a fact
Speaker 4: if they did not see the proof of it. They
Speaker 4: saw the proof of it. They know it to be true.
Speaker 4: They know everything to be factual. I don't need to
Speaker 4: prove to the rest of the world what it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I understand that because my son does not
Speaker 3: want anything to do with the show as well.
Speaker 4: Yes, and I am not going to do that. It's inappropriate.
Speaker 4: I think what E more validates it to be true
Speaker 4: is his behavior, what he would even mention my child.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, the thing that I was trying to get at
Speaker 3: is as soon as you mention your child or talk
Speaker 3: about them, the one person that does And I've been
Speaker 3: guilty of this with my daughter who doesn't want to
Speaker 3: be mentioned. But it's so hard for me and hurtful
Speaker 3: that sometimes I will say something. Do you know that
Speaker 3: a million stories come out about that they contacted her
Speaker 3: at work? Like all these things that people get obsessed
Speaker 3: with people they don't see and don't know much about.
Speaker 4: Exactly, And it's happen, and it's and it's horrible. So
Speaker 4: I do understand for someone who has never mentioned their children,
Speaker 4: and I am told I am the worst mother. My
Speaker 4: kids hate me. You know me too exactly tamorate and
Speaker 4: it relates, and I say all of these things. Would
Speaker 4: I ever bring this up and make up a story
Speaker 4: like this when I've been so protective for at that
Speaker 4: point six years, never have even said that I have
Speaker 4: a basically a biological What I even say something like,
Speaker 4: does that make any sense? Yeah? I mean I think.
Speaker 5: For Union, I mean, come on, I mean I where
Speaker 5: it really crossed the line for me is when I
Speaker 5: heard Louis say he wanted your son to suffer?
Speaker 4: Why even bring that up? Why even bring up my child?
Speaker 5: Then I had then I have to I have to
Speaker 5: play Devil's advocation, because then we go back we were
Speaker 5: wine time, and we hear when you know, Jen Aiden,
Speaker 5: who we obviously don't love, but when.
Speaker 4: I'm so happy or saying this okay.
Speaker 5: But let's talk about it. So Bill's affair on cameras
Speaker 5: brought up, and Jen said it was affecting her kids,
Speaker 5: to which you said, kids are resilient, just our therapy.
Speaker 2: Do you regret saying that, like, how did this?
Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you why. Okay, I had an affair.
Speaker 4: I had an affair. I'm my husband I did, and
Speaker 4: first husband, my first husband, I did. Yes, let's clarify that.
Speaker 4: I don't why when thinking yeah, and he's I'm a
Speaker 4: wonderful mother regardless of what the world thinks, because they
Speaker 4: don't know my family and I have and my ex
Speaker 4: husband who passed away, was a wonderful father, and it
Speaker 4: is painful for a family. But when you have wonderful
Speaker 4: parents and children love each other, they get over it.
Speaker 4: This is life, and I didn't want her. I was
Speaker 4: trying to console her life. Bill's a wonderful father, You're
Speaker 4: a wonderful mother. Your kids love you, and they're going
Speaker 4: to get through this because you're wonderful, wonderful parents and
Speaker 4: you're a family that sticks together. And that point there,
Speaker 4: I wasn't trying to hurt her children. And they're resilient.
Speaker 4: And I can speak from that because my children are resilient.
Speaker 4: And when they're like, now, your kids did get through it.
Speaker 4: They hated you, they were upset with me for a while,
Speaker 4: but we have all come together. We love each other
Speaker 4: and families can get through that. I didn't wish harm
Speaker 4: on them. I wasn't threatening them. That is a totally
Speaker 4: different thing. So that's what I want to say.
Speaker 5: So when that is actually a really good point, and
Speaker 5: I thank you for saying that, because I think there
Speaker 5: are a lot of people in the world that their
Speaker 5: parents have affairs or they're personally having an affair, and it.
Speaker 2: Isn't going to be the end of your child's world.
Speaker 2: And watching your kids, having your kids be in.
Speaker 5: An unhappy marriage with their parents are not doing well,
Speaker 5: is probably just as harmful.
Speaker 4: No, well, it's just as harmful and people, you know what,
Speaker 4: And when I do say children are resilient, meaning to
Speaker 4: the fact is that's not going to ruin Jennifer's kids' lives.
Speaker 4: They have come together, they're a wonderful couple. And I'm
Speaker 4: saying this and I don't even get along with Jennifer
Speaker 4: anymore because of other things that have since happened. But
Speaker 4: Bill's the wonderful father. They know their father's loving, They've
Speaker 4: seen their parents work it out, and that's why I
Speaker 4: said they're resilient. That is not going to ruin their life.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, And Louis saying this about my son is
Speaker 4: not going to ruin his life, but he is actually
Speaker 4: wishing harm on my family.
Speaker 3: That was disgusting.
Speaker 4: It's dangerous. It's actually dangerous because unfortunately he is igniting.
Speaker 4: You know, they're sick people in this world, and they
Speaker 4: can have fans that are that are do you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying? And the igniting people people to do
Speaker 4: very harmful things.
Speaker 5: Sorry, Can we talk a little bit about the demise
Speaker 5: of your relationship with Jackie because for us watching like
Speaker 5: I remember watching them, like, does smart really even care
Speaker 5: that she got didn't get the book? Is that really
Speaker 5: what's starting all of this?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: Was that really where it started? Or is there something
Speaker 2: we weren't seeing that got us to this point?
Speaker 4: To me, I realized there was some undercurrent with her.
Speaker 4: I was like, this is where it started. She had
Speaker 4: an undercurrent with me, which I had since found out undercurrent.
Speaker 2: Do you think it's jealousy that you were still Maine
Speaker 2: and she became a friend.
Speaker 4: Yes, I complimented the other ladies I had heard. I
Speaker 4: was told what she had told other cast mates that
Speaker 4: she was very upset that we were at Bravo. Khan
Speaker 4: and one of my network executives had seen me and said,
Speaker 4: how do you think of the new cast, meaning Danielle
Speaker 4: jen Fessler and Rachel Fuda, And I said, they're fantastic.
Speaker 4: I love them, what a great addition to the show.
Speaker 4: Jackie was standing next to me. She said, how could
Speaker 4: you say that in front of me? I said, it's
Speaker 4: not about you. I go, that doesn't diminish your shine.
Speaker 4: You're still amazing numerous things. You know, two things can
Speaker 4: be true. Everyone's amazing. There's a part. At that moment,
Speaker 4: she was like, I have an in for Mark, right,
Speaker 4: but clearly the demise of our relationship is Jackie is
Speaker 4: only for herself. I have found that out. She only
Speaker 4: cares about herself. She will do anything to elevate herself
Speaker 4: and take anybody you know and ruin anybody else, everybody
Speaker 4: else down. And I have witnessed it first and I
Speaker 4: am actually in shock. And when I said, championed her,
Speaker 4: and this is I loved her. I wanted the best
Speaker 4: for her. I fought for her. Numerous people know this
Speaker 4: to be true. I only wanted good things for her.
Speaker 4: And with her book she did her first agent dumped her.
Speaker 4: I don't care, it's true, dumped her. And basically diminished her.
Speaker 4: She called me crying. I felt sick because she's a
Speaker 4: talented writer. I could still comment her talented writer, brilliant.
Speaker 2: Well aspiring story.
Speaker 5: I think it's a story that a lot of people
Speaker 5: need to hear, inspiring story regards.
Speaker 3: You know, you helped her get the new editor right,
Speaker 3: totally and regardless.
Speaker 4: I wish you authentically lived what she has written because
Speaker 4: everything she wrote in the book, she is behaving the
Speaker 4: exact opposite way of what she said. So she tells
Speaker 4: me new things. I said, please speak to Anthony, who
Speaker 4: I work with. He knows a lot of people. You
Speaker 4: are going to land a deal. You are bigger than this.
Speaker 4: You're bigger. You know you're going to go further than
Speaker 4: the show. You know. I was I say everything to
Speaker 4: build her up, and I meant it, and I still
Speaker 4: I did mean it. And did you build her up?
Speaker 3: When you show the screenshot you know house swiper y,
Speaker 3: I was, that is a classic housewife move, and I was.
Speaker 4: His and I was, do you know why she wasn't
Speaker 4: being genuine?
Speaker 3: When was this? When was this text message about calling
Speaker 3: Dolores the slob two to three weeks prior? Okay, so
Speaker 3: it was a current one. It wasn't something like two
Speaker 3: years ago or something like that.
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, this is when she just wasn't tied.
Speaker 5: She was at the game, right, didn't go to that
Speaker 5: baseball game. But my other question is, what was your response,
Speaker 5: because I don't think they showed us in the screenshots
Speaker 5: proof timeline.
Speaker 2: What was your response to the slob.
Speaker 4: I said, I wrote, I could, I should look it up.
Speaker 4: I think I had written, I go, I go. I
Speaker 4: don't think it was intentional, you know, I just immediately said,
Speaker 4: I don't think it was intentional. She antag you call her?
Speaker 4: She she it was an oversight. You know. I do
Speaker 4: everything to deflate whatever mood she was in. And that
Speaker 4: was my job with Jackie, whatever hysteria she would get in,
Speaker 4: I would try and deflate her mood or what ever
Speaker 4: it is, because she would go from zero to one
Speaker 4: hundred and about two seconds. Everything was a personal attack. Listen.
Speaker 4: She wasn't invited to Gigifuda's third birthday party. Rachel fud
Speaker 4: is Door's third birthday party. It wasn't filmed. It wasn't
Speaker 4: anything like that.
Speaker 2: Rats, rats, I mean I would have been happy.
Speaker 4: I would have well, all hell broke loose, she's excluded.
Speaker 4: She wasn't invited, but but I didn't intend.
Speaker 3: Do you think this all stems from her getting demoted?
Speaker 3: Like she can't get over it.
Speaker 4: I think this is a childhood wound. I don't know
Speaker 4: what it is. But the whole point is everything's not
Speaker 4: a personal attack, but she takes everything as a personal front.
Speaker 4: And then she's going to ruin your life. How can
Speaker 4: you say this? She told me her goal in life
Speaker 4: was to get back at Teresa, stick it right up
Speaker 4: her ass, and she will do it if it is
Speaker 4: the last thing she does. And guess what she did it.
Speaker 4: It's like keep your friends closed and keep your enemies, but.
Speaker 3: Teresa is still sticking by her side. I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't think Do you think they will if the show
Speaker 3: does not continue, yes, or the neither one of them
Speaker 3: are on it? Do you think they'll continue to be friends?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, friends, really, let's be honest.
Speaker 4: It's frenemies. It's frenemies, it's a it's an alliance, it's
Speaker 4: an allegiance Jackie. Come on, do you think Jackie is
Speaker 4: a small girl? Do you think she really likes so
Speaker 4: Jackie's afraid Teresa is going to do something god knows
Speaker 4: do what else to her?
Speaker 5: You know, can you please tell me what was the
Speaker 5: screenshot that you wanted to show Dolores about the Off
Speaker 5: the Rails special, But you.
Speaker 4: Know it was just showing the actual fact that Jackie
Speaker 4: on February there was a few screenshots I want to
Speaker 4: show February twenty fifth, of twenty twenty one, Jackie actually
Speaker 4: did reach out to the X. I have this screenshot
Speaker 4: of that of her saying, let's talk off of social media.
Speaker 4: I just I'm gonna make this very quick. Let's talk
Speaker 4: off of social media, and my social media manager could
Speaker 4: meet it. It also said could read it. I don't
Speaker 4: want to ruin anybody's life. But she's so stupid talking
Speaker 4: about Charusa. You know, she wanted to get dirt. She
Speaker 4: didn't have one Vanessa over. She had two Vanessas over
Speaker 4: because Louis has two Vanessa x'es. She had them both
Speaker 4: at her house. They cut that, you know, did they
Speaker 4: had to blank out the names. She had both of
Speaker 4: them at her house in her living room.
Speaker 2: What do you think made her?
Speaker 5: Actually That's what I was just gonna ask, what do
Speaker 5: you think actually mind? Because for a second Tam were
Speaker 5: I talked about this.
Speaker 2: I was like, for the for a second, you see.
Speaker 5: Her think like maybe I can get away with this
Speaker 5: live for a second, but then all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: you see she's just like, shit, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: Well, was it Melissa actually saying there's got to be
Speaker 3: some kind of proof, so you should own it.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think she knows that I am not going
Speaker 4: to make this up. I really did not know. I
Speaker 4: did not know, like I said, and I think she
Speaker 4: kind of knows, like, holy crap, Margaret found out, but
Speaker 4: that she was deceiving my I didn't care what she
Speaker 4: did to Teresa. She was deceiving myself, and I don't care.
Speaker 4: She wanted Teresa dead, she wanted to ruin Teresa's life.
Speaker 4: She'd wanted her, you know, to do everything horrible. Why
Speaker 4: did you do to me? What did you did?
Speaker 3: You You never met with Vanessa.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not meeting with Vanessa, nothing like that. I
Speaker 4: had nothing to do with that. But I got Vanessa's
Speaker 4: phone number. Listen, she sent me her phone number.
Speaker 3: After that, there's there's there's another thing. I'm confused.
Speaker 4: That's why, of course in the DM she sent me
Speaker 4: your number. Please you know, please call me, Please call me.
Speaker 3: We'd get that as a housewife, we get that ship
Speaker 3: all the time, all the time, especially especially as somebody
Speaker 3: that comes on their truth tellers.
Speaker 4: And big moms with the dials. I had every right,
Speaker 4: you know. Her attorney asked her to reach out to
Speaker 4: all of us with everything going on after the beau
Speaker 4: Dietal thing. She had a very big thing happening. Then
Speaker 4: I then called her when I'm saying a week. But
Speaker 4: when I found out about that burn party, I was like, Hi,
Speaker 4: Di did die? I wanted to talk to your attorney.
Speaker 4: Is there something I should know about that came up
Speaker 4: in the case? What could they possibly?
Speaker 3: Why were you named in this case?
Speaker 4: I wasn't named in that actual case, So why.
Speaker 3: Did you get subpoenut or I.
Speaker 4: Was subpoenaed in twenty twenty one?
Speaker 3: Now, so why is it being brought up this season?
Speaker 4: Is there's there? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I do have to ask this question. Do you think
Speaker 2: Teresa is a situation of her circumstance with the men
Speaker 2: that she is in because she's not able to decipher
Speaker 2: that the people that she surrounds herself with, or do
Speaker 2: you think that she's complicit with all these guys.
Speaker 4: I think she's complicit. I never thought that. I think
Speaker 4: she is complicit. I do want to say this. When
Speaker 4: she had come out of jail, I just met her.
Speaker 4: I really bonded with her. She was very different. She
Speaker 4: was always with Melissa and Joe. They were extremely good
Speaker 4: to her. They were good times. She was single. She
Speaker 4: was always at their shorehouse. They included her all the
Speaker 4: time I was with her. We had a lot of laughs.
Speaker 4: She was a horrible grudgeholder. She would still say some
Speaker 4: things to me, you know. She had a buck up
Speaker 4: or butt about Melissa a lot of times, and I
Speaker 4: was like stop. And I would try and bring them together.
Speaker 4: Even when we were in Ireland. I would have private
Speaker 4: conversations with her, but she was doing things behind the scenes.
Speaker 4: I don't I think she's very complicit with this behavior.
Speaker 4: And I think her main goal in life is to
Speaker 4: protect her husband and she doesn't care about her career
Speaker 4: or anything else about that. I mean, I think proof
Speaker 4: of that is how when I just watched the alternate reunion,
Speaker 4: how she could defend his actions. She should have immediately
Speaker 4: if my husband did that, if jokeing, but she never
Speaker 4: would said I would go bizarre I would be like,
Speaker 4: are you insane? How dare you? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4: He is the he is the demise of her.
Speaker 3: And I'm so happy that Delores stuck up because I
Speaker 3: was like, come on, come on, Delora, like because she's
Speaker 3: been you know, Switzerland, and I love her. I think
Speaker 3: she's great on the show. But wrong is wrong. And
Speaker 3: I was so happy that she called it out.
Speaker 4: And she and she called it out, and I was
Speaker 4: very very happy about that. I wasn't in that room.
Speaker 4: I was so happy to see that, and it made
Speaker 4: me very very happy that.
Speaker 3: How long did the filming take for that Rail's episode?
Speaker 4: Yeah? It was it most of the day.
Speaker 3: Was it the day?
Speaker 4: I wish, you know, I wish we would have seen
Speaker 4: more confessional because we all had much longer confessionals. I
Speaker 4: wish it would just would have been the highlights of
Speaker 4: that episode.
Speaker 5: I wish it would have been a lot of things
Speaker 5: that it wasn't. I gotta be honest, I was that
Speaker 5: was a rough go for me that that night. Where
Speaker 5: do you think truthfully from your gut? The show goes
Speaker 5: from here?
Speaker 4: I you know what it's it changes every day, Teddy
Speaker 4: and Tamra, it changes every day the way I see.
Speaker 4: I feel like I don't know. I really don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't is there any part of you Thattimes?
Speaker 4: I think it's just like, could it be like the
Speaker 4: bonds that, like you saw our room was so happy,
Speaker 4: right and we were great.
Speaker 3: Well, we don't have we don't need all happy in housewives,
Speaker 3: so we don't need all have to have.
Speaker 4: But we can argue and make up.
Speaker 2: Well, what are your thoughts on Danielle doubling down and
Speaker 2: saying that she actually wished she would have killed Jenaden.
Speaker 4: I was like, I wish she didn't say that. I
Speaker 4: wish you didn't say that. I mean she was I
Speaker 4: was like Danielle, I mean you know, I was like,
Speaker 4: that's sat Island. That's not our strict figure. And because
Speaker 4: I really loved Danielle, but I think she realized so
Speaker 4: many things when she was so set jennifered and when
Speaker 4: Jennifereden said that, she then realized I think it all
Speaker 4: came into her head that Jennifer was the ones putting
Speaker 4: those things out online about her. Because those things were
Speaker 4: said about me online, she just real everything like became
Speaker 4: a reality to her, like, oh my god, these people
Speaker 4: have been putting these things out online about me. They
Speaker 4: were never my friends. They were doing these horrible things.
Speaker 4: I think it just like overwhelmed her.
Speaker 3: Is there anybody on the show that you think will
Speaker 3: absolutely not be asked back?
Speaker 4: I mean, oh, yeah, for sure, because.
Speaker 3: A network talk to you at all about what the
Speaker 3: future is yet yep, no.
Speaker 4: No, I mean they say it publicly, they don't know.
Speaker 4: It could be rebooted, it could be some people coming back.
Speaker 4: Whatever it is, it's been a great run. I've been
Speaker 4: very blessed. I feel like, you know, I feel.
Speaker 3: I said what I said.
Speaker 4: I go out on top. That's the way I go
Speaker 4: out with a clean you know. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The one thing I said when I was fired is like,
Speaker 3: don't don't be sad that it's over. Be happy that
Speaker 3: it happened. And in fact, Andy texts me immediately, and
Speaker 3: now I just saw that he said something like that publicly.
Speaker 3: And the sad thing is it's been a big part
Speaker 3: of your guys' life for a long time, and it's
Speaker 3: really change is hard, and being out of you know,
Speaker 3: out of it is tough, but you know, life goes on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, it's a part of It's a beautiful part
Speaker 4: of my life painful and a lot of times I
Speaker 4: have businesses. I have a great family that thank god,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 5: Speaking of how is so because I don't know that
Speaker 5: we got a house and resolution.
Speaker 2: What is Joe's health currently?
Speaker 4: Thanks thank you for asking. He does have prostate cancer
Speaker 4: really announced on the show. But they also do genomic
Speaker 4: testing now and his is very very slow growing like
Speaker 4: ninety seven percent, So they treat it now with active
Speaker 4: surveillance because his is very early stages. So he gets
Speaker 4: checked every few months and they don't do any treatment
Speaker 4: unless it changes.
Speaker 3: And his head it gets to a certain size, right.
Speaker 4: It gets to a certain size, and he's not changed
Speaker 4: at all. So we're lucky his won't change because you know,
Speaker 4: Joe's not young, so his might not change for ten years.
Speaker 5: I was I was going to say for our listeners,
Speaker 5: how often now is he going back to get.
Speaker 4: Like four or five months every Yeah?
Speaker 5: With my arm it's every three months I have to go.
Speaker 5: So that's it's so it's the same with your prosject.
Speaker 4: You've had a lot, and I'm happy you're doing well
Speaker 4: and everything's great, and thank you just like lot, I
Speaker 4: know it's a lot for you and I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: Thank you, and we appreciate you on the show, and
Speaker 5: we know that it's the beginning. I gotta say I
Speaker 5: was hard on you at the beginning of the season,
Speaker 5: but then it like kind of came around.
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, I get where.
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 3: It's not how you start, it's how you end on
Speaker 3: this show exactly.
Speaker 4: And I mean I'd rather go out with you.
Speaker 3: Know, high yep, And you went out with a high
Speaker 3: and those flowers, those flowers, funeral flowers you sent. I disagree.
Speaker 3: She didn't like that. I thought it it was I
Speaker 3: had contic it was conic move, iconic move.
Speaker 4: By the way, the world of what Teddy that is,
Speaker 4: let me tell you they are having a burned part
Speaker 4: about me with an attorney, okay, and on Housewives imagine.
Speaker 4: I mean, first of all, like I said, my attorney's
Speaker 4: on Madison Avenue. This is next to the meth clinic,
Speaker 4: really above a pizza parlor, okay, and doing this and
Speaker 4: you know, trying to my reputation. I have a business.
Speaker 4: I do all of these things, uh, trying to hurt
Speaker 4: my Walmart business? Do you sense? I was like, I'm
Speaker 4: going to bring some living into it and make a
Speaker 4: joke about it. You want to you want to do something,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm going to show you, you know what
Speaker 4: you really are. You look, it was the death of
Speaker 4: your dignity. You guys made answers at you.
Speaker 3: I thought it was amazing. Was there was there any
Speaker 3: part of you that was upset with production? For a low?
Speaker 3: Even though it failed, it was probably better that it
Speaker 3: did good for you. But at any point where you're like,
Speaker 3: are you kidding me? You guys, you're allowing this?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: At first, at first I was like, what are you nuts?
Speaker 4: You're gonna have your attorney go on there? But I
Speaker 4: you know, but then I thought about it. I was like,
Speaker 4: I did nothing wrong. There's this is such nonsense. What
Speaker 4: are they gonna say?
Speaker 5: I'm sorry looking at that attorney where you're like, oh shit,
Speaker 5: he really think it looks bad?
Speaker 4: No? I know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know my cousin Vinny.
Speaker 4: No, I know him very well. I see him all
Speaker 4: the time.
Speaker 5: If one was going to return take yourself out of it?
Speaker 2: Is it Melissa or Teresa?
Speaker 4: Melissa? What are you kids? I mean Melissa? She brings
Speaker 4: so much light and happiness and fine and.
Speaker 3: I love Melissa, and I love Joey and I love
Speaker 3: that she kept the classy this season and the pose
Speaker 3: off at the end was perfect.
Speaker 4: Like yes, I mean, there's no question in my mind,
Speaker 4: but triumphs over evil, you know, as Matt Matt Rogers said,
Speaker 4: it's just like, as long as Teresa's with you know,
Speaker 4: there's too much darkness and toxicity when you're blaming everybody
Speaker 4: else for your problem. That's just it.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: Quick question. Do you think if it came down to
Speaker 3: it and they said we don't want you back to
Speaker 3: Visa because Luis too toxic? Would she dump them?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: Do you think that they are going to stay together.
Speaker 4: For now? I think for now she really I think
Speaker 4: she really really loves him. I think she really really does.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's I don't I think for now.
Speaker 4: Do I think this is forever? No, just my opinion.
Speaker 3: I just hope that if it's not forever, she gets
Speaker 3: out of it.
Speaker 4: I wish and this and I am saying this. I
Speaker 4: wish no ill on them if.
Speaker 5: They if if she were to break up with Louis,
Speaker 5: do you think there's a chance that you could reconcile
Speaker 5: your friendship.
Speaker 4: I think she's got to go to a detax. I
Speaker 4: think she is to go to like where they wash
Speaker 4: your warrior. What did Patty Hurst go to the Warrior video?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: Not that?
Speaker 4: No, but I think she has to go.
Speaker 3: I don't I cleanse her soul. I say that again,
Speaker 3: she got to cleanse her soul.
Speaker 4: That your soul. But I don't a deep wiring, like
Speaker 4: a deep briefing. What are these sense But I don't
Speaker 4: know what it is, but something I've never seen anybody
Speaker 4: so easily manipulated in my life. I just haven't. I know.
Speaker 3: It's sad, it's so sad.
Speaker 4: It's it. But I want I wish no ill on them.
Speaker 4: I want them to go on their merry way. I am.
Speaker 4: They're just a little too upset.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, March, I love you, and I don't want
Speaker 3: this to be the end of Jersey as we know it.
Speaker 3: I know it's the end as we know.
Speaker 4: It, but I hope I shall the interview whatever, whatever
Speaker 4: the Bravo God say, you know that's the call.
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, well, we'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 5: We can't wait to have our sure hats for the
Speaker 5: next hats and drinks and little mocktails.
Speaker 3: Yes, thank you said thanks guys, have fun in Chicago.
Speaker 4: Thanks, bye bye,