Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine. Today on the bright Side, we're popping off
Speaker 1: on the biggest pop culture moments of the week with
Speaker 1: Claudia and Jackie Ashriy. You may know them from their
Speaker 1: podcast The Toast. So we're asking a few questions today.
Speaker 1: Are you pro pda? What do you do with a
Speaker 1: diamond ring after a divorce? And boom, what's scarier than
Speaker 1: an unwonted ex coming back into your life. It's Friday,
Speaker 1: October eighteenth. I'm Danielle Robe.
Speaker 2: And I'm Simone Boyce and this is the bright Side
Speaker 2: from Hello Sunshine, a daily show where we come together
Speaker 2: to share women's stories, laugh, learn and brighten your day.
Speaker 3: Well, Danielle, happy Friday to you.
Speaker 1: Boo, Happy Friday.
Speaker 2: You can't keep doing that when I'm not expecting it.
Speaker 2: I'm terrified.
Speaker 1: Well, honestly, we've had such a fun week. I love
Speaker 1: looking back on our conversations together. I was definitely thinking
Speaker 1: about Kacobell's interview. She's the author and fall Ya Reese's
Speaker 1: book club pick, and she used her writing to help
Speaker 1: discover her place in her native heritage. I loved hearing
Speaker 1: about how she stepped into her multiple identities.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I loved our conversation with comedian Leanne Morgan.
Speaker 2: I mean, the fact that she didn't start her now
Speaker 2: hugely successful comedy career until she was in her thirties
Speaker 2: is such a great reminder that it's never too late.
Speaker 3: And I can't wait to.
Speaker 2: See her on the big screen with Reese, Withutherspoon and
Speaker 2: Will Ferrell next year.
Speaker 3: That's going to be epic.
Speaker 1: She's Honestly, if somebody asked me, like which I'm new
Speaker 1: to the bright Side, which episode should I listen to?
Speaker 1: She's one of the ones I would point to one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. She was so fun. We also had a
Speaker 1: really informative Wellness Wednesday this week with dietitian, plant based
Speaker 1: cook and New York Times bestselling author Roddy Davlukia. Her
Speaker 1: insight on food and spices and illness was really interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dare I say spicy?
Speaker 1: And Kamila Alvis McConaughey. I have to tell you, Simone,
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about what she said in that interview
Speaker 1: since we spoke to her. She shared that when she
Speaker 1: was cleaning houses when she first got here, she told
Speaker 1: the woman that she was cleaning the houses with. On Fridays,
Speaker 1: we go to the Dollar Store and we buy one
Speaker 1: thing nice because everything we do is for other people,
Speaker 1: and we're doing one fun thing for us. And I
Speaker 1: just felt like that story embodied her spirit. She was
Speaker 1: pretty wonderful. She was doing the Millennial Treat. Before the
Speaker 1: Millennial Treat was the thing, she really was.
Speaker 2: All Right, well, we've got a great show today. We've
Speaker 2: got so many pop culture topics to discuss, but first
Speaker 2: it's time to spotlight our favorite moment of the week.
Speaker 1: Yep. Today we're dedicating our spotlight to trailblazer and fair
Speaker 1: pay activists Lily Ledbetter. She sadly passed away Saturday at
Speaker 1: the age of eighty six. You know, when my grandpa
Speaker 1: passed away, The rabbi at his funeral said that people
Speaker 1: passed twice. The first time is when their physical body passes,
Speaker 1: and the second is when we stop telling their stories.
Speaker 1: And so one of the reasons I love our spotlights
Speaker 1: is I think it's so important to continue to tell
Speaker 1: these women's stories. And Lily Ugh what a story. She
Speaker 1: was known for many things, and among them was filing
Speaker 1: a gender discrimination lawsuit against Goodyear after discovering she was
Speaker 1: being paid less than her male colleagues for the exact
Speaker 1: same work. So she learned about the pay disparity through
Speaker 1: an anonymous tip nearly twenty years into her career as
Speaker 1: one of the few female supervisors at a tire plant
Speaker 1: in Alabama, and in nineteen ninety nine, as she neared retirement,
Speaker 1: Lily decided to take action and sued her employer. The
Speaker 1: case went all the way to the Supreme Court, which
Speaker 1: ultimately sided with Goodyear, ruling that Lily had filed her
Speaker 1: complaint too late. They argued she should have done so
Speaker 1: within one hundred and eighty days of her first discriminatory
Speaker 1: paycheck way back in nineteen seventy nine. While that decision
Speaker 1: sparked widespread outrage and led to a famous descent by
Speaker 1: you guessed it, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg. If you have
Speaker 1: a few minutes this weekend, it's worth a reader. Her
Speaker 1: words are super powerful. But that wasn't the end of
Speaker 1: Lily's story. Two years after the Supreme Court ruling, President
Speaker 1: Barack Obama signed the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act into law,
Speaker 1: effectively removing the statute of limitations on fair pay claims.
Speaker 3: Wow, what an incredible story.
Speaker 2: You know, we often have these discussions about equal pay
Speaker 2: and it feels like we're talking about it in a vacuum,
Speaker 2: like no one else in history has experienced what we're
Speaker 2: going through. That's why it's so important for us to
Speaker 2: remember women like Lily Ledbetter and her advocacy and efforts.
Speaker 3: For equal pay.
Speaker 2: M M all right, Danielle, I think it's about that
Speaker 2: time you ready to pop off?
Speaker 1: What time is it, simone, it's pop off a clock.
Speaker 1: In that case, I'm ready. Claudia Jackie, welcome to the
Speaker 1: right side.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Hi. We both are living for your podcast,
Speaker 1: The Toast and of course the sisterly dynamic. We always
Speaker 1: hear you talk about the biggest stories in pop culture,
Speaker 1: but we're kind of curious about those moments from childhood.
Speaker 1: Who were your icons growing up.
Speaker 5: Miley Cyrus, Hanna Montana.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we were very much raised by Hannah Montana. I
Speaker 6: went through a phase where like I would have laid
Speaker 6: my life out on the line for Joe Jonas and
Speaker 6: the Jonas brothers, like that was a huge part.
Speaker 4: Of my upbringing as well.
Speaker 6: We were very much a house also divided by boy bands,
Speaker 6: like we were growing up in the InSync.
Speaker 4: Backstreet Boys era.
Speaker 6: Jackie sort of led the family in the Backstreet boys standhood,
Speaker 6: and then our older sister Olivia was the leader, and like,
Speaker 6: if you want, if you wanted to hang out in
Speaker 6: Jackie's room or you wanted to hang out in the
Speaker 6: Libya's room, you had to pledge your allegiance to either
Speaker 6: boy band. Like it was so serious, it was so nuts,
Speaker 6: but we were obsessed. Wait, remind me the birth order again,
Speaker 6: I'm older. How does that dynamic play out in your relationship?
Speaker 6: Do you do you think that you embody elder sister
Speaker 6: traits one dousand Marsana.
Speaker 3: She's always onelling you me.
Speaker 5: No, I'm just always trying to guide you, yeah, into.
Speaker 6: Doing the right thing, Like Jackie, can you always ask
Speaker 6: me for guidance? Yes, She's very much like molding me
Speaker 6: into the person that I am. Like I'm just becoming
Speaker 6: a Jackie two point Oh.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's so cute.
Speaker 2: I grew up an only child, so I'm always fascinated
Speaker 2: by birth order dynamics.
Speaker 6: And we're a fan family that like really respects birth
Speaker 6: order dynamics because we're four daughters and like number three Jackie'
Speaker 6: number two, and we have two other sisters and like
Speaker 6: growing up, like the order in which we were born
Speaker 6: played such an important role in like, you know, if
Speaker 6: we would go on vacation or like there was like
Speaker 6: five pieces of candy, we would choose.
Speaker 3: Always birth order.
Speaker 6: Like we very much like leaned into like respecting your
Speaker 6: elders and like it kind of stunk being the third
Speaker 6: out of four, but it was an important thing in
Speaker 6: our lives.
Speaker 2: We know that you have your pulse on pop culture
Speaker 2: all the time. What do you think is the most
Speaker 2: over hyped pop culture story right now?
Speaker 4: The thing is with Jackie and I, like we will
Speaker 4: beat something.
Speaker 1: To a cult.
Speaker 6: It takes us a lot for us to grow tired
Speaker 6: of something like that's our job. We live for when
Speaker 6: things like continue to be hyped because it gives us
Speaker 6: actually like something to talk about.
Speaker 7: But I also feel like there are things that are
Speaker 7: happening in pop culture and when they don't interest us,
Speaker 7: like we just.
Speaker 5: Skip right over them.
Speaker 7: So of the things that like we love and a door,
Speaker 7: like we really we don't get sick of stuff, but
Speaker 7: there's definitely a lot of stuff that goes on that
Speaker 7: is a blind spot for us. And we admit that
Speaker 7: we're we're like we just don't care about these people.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like earlier this summer, we chose not to watch
Speaker 6: Love Island, which was a mistake on our part. If
Speaker 6: everybody could shut up about it, because like we don't
Speaker 6: know what you're talking about it, and we just feel
Speaker 6: left out.
Speaker 1: I feel the same way.
Speaker 6: It's not that it's like getting like two overhyped. It's
Speaker 6: like we can't participate. Therefore we need everyone to be quiet.
Speaker 2: Well, Love Island is a huge time investment, too big
Speaker 2: of an undertable.
Speaker 3: It's way too big. Like if you're behind, I'm staying behind.
Speaker 3: You can't catch up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, not enough people talk about that.
Speaker 5: We were enjoying our summer.
Speaker 3: We were outside Jackie.
Speaker 2: We were living, We are touching grass, we were in
Speaker 2: these streets, y'all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay. Well, a story that the media doesn't
Speaker 1: grow tired of is Taylor and Travis. This week, we
Speaker 1: couldn't escape the photos of them hugged up at the
Speaker 1: Yankees Cleveland Guardians game. They were like holding hands and hugging.
Speaker 1: Taylor even fed Travis some popcorn at one point, which
Speaker 1: I thought was very cute.
Speaker 3: Did you did you really think it was cute?
Speaker 1: I did, because to me, they do understated they're not
Speaker 1: like Travis Sparker and Courtney Kardashian. To me, that's like
Speaker 1: I don't want to see that. It's a lot for me.
Speaker 1: You're not in your head, Claudia, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: Taylor has like spoken a lot about that, like especially
Speaker 6: how it come, like how her relationship with her body,
Speaker 6: Like you don't see a lot of pictures of her
Speaker 6: like in bikinis. Right, Yes, she's very conservative when it
Speaker 6: comes to her body, because she has said in her documentary,
Speaker 6: like she knows the value of that. She knows like
Speaker 6: a photo of her on the beach like will be
Speaker 6: sold for money and that makes her really uncomfortable. So
Speaker 6: she's low key like a conservative GIRLI when it comes
Speaker 6: to things like that, like the way she dresses, and
Speaker 6: so the fact that she's never like outwardly pedia Like
Speaker 6: I can think of like three examples obviously, like her
Speaker 6: and Tom hitdlestand on the beach, her and Harry Styles
Speaker 6: New Year's Eve, Like there aren't a lot for someone.
Speaker 4: Who, like, you know, everyone says she's like a million boyfriends.
Speaker 6: Like she doesn't have like a million pictures of her
Speaker 6: like making out with guys or like straddling them. Courtney
Speaker 6: Kardashian vibe. So the fact that we did get they
Speaker 6: like kiss. I mean he put his hat up in
Speaker 6: front of them and then they like kiss behind the hat,
Speaker 6: like very demure of them. I lived for it, like
Speaker 6: I could do more, do more, I'm ready.
Speaker 4: I wanted to see everything.
Speaker 1: I think they do it nicely.
Speaker 2: Can we also just talk about the fact that Claudia
Speaker 2: just dropped like ten Taylor Swift factoids in a matter
Speaker 2: of like thirty seconds.
Speaker 3: You're an encyclopedia. The words you're.
Speaker 1: Looking for is loser, no, no, no, Okay. Here's my
Speaker 1: other question though, because it got me thinking about celebrity
Speaker 1: PDA in general. And I constantly think of jay Z
Speaker 1: and Beyonce because oftentimes when they're at award shows, they're
Speaker 1: sitting in the front row and they almost hold court.
Speaker 1: They never even actually get up to greet people. They
Speaker 1: make people come to them or people just gravitate to them,
Speaker 1: but you don't see them PDA. All they kind of
Speaker 1: do is hold hands, even like on a yacht in
Speaker 1: the middle of summer, when we like catch them paparazzi style,
Speaker 1: they are not PDA. Is there a power in that?
Speaker 4: I feel like it's a personal preference.
Speaker 6: No, like some people are just comfortable like having you know,
Speaker 6: tits out for the boys, and some are not.
Speaker 7: And it also depends on the maturity of your relationship.
Speaker 7: I think PDA is more often happening in a very
Speaker 7: novel relationship, and then as you spend more time with
Speaker 7: each other, like it just it wanes a bit. But
Speaker 7: of course older couples also do PDA, but I think
Speaker 7: that has a lot to do with it.
Speaker 1: Well, you guys are both married, are you PDA people?
Speaker 3: I am not.
Speaker 7: I don't think that will surprise anyone. However, like early
Speaker 7: days of my relationship, I was.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, you guys, she was out of control.
Speaker 3: Like it was an example. That was an example, just.
Speaker 5: Like hugging, kissing, sitting on laps, like walking Eve.
Speaker 4: Comes to mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know what happened on New Year's Eve.
Speaker 4: We just were all together.
Speaker 6: They had really just started dating, and they were like
Speaker 6: so head over heels falling in love with each other.
Speaker 4: And it was like we were with their family, like
Speaker 4: calm down.
Speaker 1: It was just like it was a lot okay, but
Speaker 1: it was New Year's Eve, no, and it was a.
Speaker 4: Young love and it was beautiful. I was just a hater,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but as a whole, I'm not a PDA person
Speaker 7: myself though in other people, unless you're being disgusting, it
Speaker 7: doesn't bother me, Like yeah, unless I'm seeing saliva and
Speaker 7: tongues wagging, Like if you're being cute and sitting on
Speaker 7: each other's laps and smooches and hugs and touchy, like
Speaker 7: that's really cute.
Speaker 6: I don't really have like a general rule, Like I'm
Speaker 6: kind of hypocritical in the sense that, like it depends who.
Speaker 4: We're talking about.
Speaker 6: Like if I think you're gross, like then your PDA
Speaker 6: is gross.
Speaker 5: You're a gross person, then it's gross.
Speaker 6: Like if you give off the vibe that you don't
Speaker 6: like brush your teeth twice a day, like I don't
Speaker 6: want to see. But if you look like, you know,
Speaker 6: clean and well kept and like you in your manner,
Speaker 6: both really good looking, like you know what, I'll allow
Speaker 6: it so not to be shallow. But it's a case
Speaker 6: by case I can't make like a grand statement.
Speaker 1: Well, actually, speaking of this, Taylor and Travis have like
Speaker 1: been in New York a lot that seems to be
Speaker 1: their hub, and I see all these photos of them
Speaker 1: coming out of restaurants, and it's to me, like, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: they know they're getting paparazzied, of course, so they're wearing
Speaker 1: certain outfits. I see both of their styles changing. And
Speaker 1: before I give my two cents, because I have maybe
Speaker 1: ten cents for this, I want to know what you
Speaker 1: guys think about the Taylor Travis evolving style.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can tell she like is really feeling herself.
Speaker 6: I feel like we you're with someone who like really
Speaker 6: hypes you up. And I've always said this about Like,
Speaker 6: people always comment like, oh, wow, you're such a confident person.
Speaker 6: And I really get for my husband, like he is
Speaker 6: like always gassing me up. He thinks I'm literally so wargeous,
Speaker 6: like he thinks some of the most hot like and
Speaker 6: that makes you feel so confident. It gives you, like
Speaker 6: the willingness to try new things and wear different tops
Speaker 6: that you might know wear, and you gel tillick Taylor,
Speaker 6: like I said, she's low key conservative. She's definitely feeling
Speaker 6: herself a coarse sit sexualis in her own way.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree, definitely in her sexy era, but then
Speaker 7: also trying to like pair it with all the Easter
Speaker 7: eggs that she has to like get in for whatever,
Speaker 7: like work project she has next, So we're getting like
Speaker 7: sexy plaid.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sexy irishman.
Speaker 2: That sounds like a huge burden to have to think
Speaker 2: about Easter eggs all the.
Speaker 1: Time, But they have stylists who do that.
Speaker 3: I guess, I guess, Okay, I have.
Speaker 1: A hot take. I think Travis's style has gotten worse,
Speaker 1: very different.
Speaker 4: It's different, it's there's definitely been a shift.
Speaker 1: There's been a shift. He used to kind of be
Speaker 1: like he had swags.
Speaker 4: Swag, and now it's giving very much father for.
Speaker 3: Yes, Hey, hey we love our fathers before. Okay, I'm
Speaker 3: kind of.
Speaker 1: Like cookout vibes.
Speaker 7: Maybe it's aspirational. Maybe it's signaling the future. Maybe he's
Speaker 7: dressing for the job. He wants a job.
Speaker 3: He has very good point, Jackie. Maybe okay.
Speaker 2: Well, Speaking of relationships, Tiamuri of Sister Sister Fame recently
Speaker 2: opened up about repurposing her wedding ring from her ex husband.
Speaker 2: So Tia decided to turn her wedding ring into a
Speaker 2: necklace for her thirteen year old son Kree and a
Speaker 2: bracelet for her six year old daughter Cairo, and she
Speaker 2: says that the message behind this gift to them is
Speaker 2: that they have been her greatest gift even though that
Speaker 2: marriage didn't work out like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it too. It's very sustainable.
Speaker 6: First of all, like nobody talks about like all the
Speaker 6: money that people spend on like engagement gifts and wedding
Speaker 6: rings that you know, fifty percent of marriages end up
Speaker 6: in divorce, so it's kind of wasteful. And the fact
Speaker 6: that like she's able to repurpose it, like, Okay, the
Speaker 6: marriage didn't work out, but these are the kids parents.
Speaker 6: I actually think it's really sweet. I'm surprising for people.
Speaker 6: This is the first time I've ever heard of anyone
Speaker 6: doing this, and I'm surprised this' I'm more of a trend.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 2: I think it's genius. I think I think all divorced
Speaker 2: couples should do this.
Speaker 3: I think it's genious.
Speaker 1: It's the brilliant. It's kind of yeah, because the kids also.
Speaker 1: I heard Kelly Clarkson say this in an interview recently
Speaker 1: when she was like, when you get divorced, you have
Speaker 1: to talk about the meaning of love or the definition
Speaker 1: of love to kids a lot, because kids say, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you don't love daddy anymore, Like it's hard for them
Speaker 1: to understand what divorce means. And I think the signals
Speaker 1: like you were made from love, Daddy, and I still
Speaker 1: love you. This still matters to us. Like, I just
Speaker 1: think it's really beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that there's something that's always going to connect them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know so, and they get to carry that as
Speaker 2: a token around their neck or their wrists.
Speaker 6: I know Greta Tuneberg would approve of being as sustainable
Speaker 6: as he is, being like very very Greta.
Speaker 5: Approved and selfless.
Speaker 1: Jaggie, what do you think.
Speaker 5: I think there's nothing not to like. I think that's
Speaker 5: so sweet.
Speaker 7: I feel like most times people try to think of
Speaker 7: how they can repurpose the ring, like for themselves and
Speaker 7: maybe put it on a necklace.
Speaker 5: But like none of.
Speaker 7: Those ideas I don't know, they just like don't really
Speaker 7: resonate with me as much as something like this.
Speaker 5: I think it's really sweet.
Speaker 2: Well, here's one more thing that TSA about this. She
Speaker 2: said that it didn't feel right to sell the wedding ring.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on selling wedding rings?
Speaker 6: Well, she's rich, so like she's a celebrity, she has
Speaker 6: that privilege. But I think a lot of times people
Speaker 6: literally need to sell it to pay for their lawyers. Like,
Speaker 6: so it's a case my case thing, Like, you know,
Speaker 6: everyone's socioeconomic situations are different.
Speaker 5: It's case by case.
Speaker 1: Were you ring people before you got married? Like I
Speaker 1: have friends who have galleries in their phone of rings
Speaker 1: that they then send to their fiance ahead of this,
Speaker 1: being like, here's what I like, and then some people DGAF.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got engaged like kind of young.
Speaker 6: I feel like maybe if I had like grown up
Speaker 6: a little bit more, I would have spent more time
Speaker 6: like ring hunting on interest.
Speaker 4: I was like, it didn't mean that much to me.
Speaker 6: I think some people it's like the dream. For me,
Speaker 6: I was just like, okay, cute love.
Speaker 7: I cared what my ring was going to look like,
Speaker 7: but I didn't have any idea of what I wanted
Speaker 7: it to look like. I'm not even a huge jewelry person.
Speaker 7: I didn't know like emerald is more than a color.
Speaker 7: I had to kind of educate myself and what I did,
Speaker 7: which I thought was really helpful. As I and I
Speaker 7: tried on rings, and immediately I knew what shape was
Speaker 7: the most me and what looked best on my hand.
Speaker 7: And I feel like people have that experience where it's like,
Speaker 7: you know what represents you the best and also what
Speaker 7: looks best on you. I feel like it didn't. It
Speaker 7: wasn't even a hard choice. Once I started trying rings on,
Speaker 7: I knew exactly what was right for me.
Speaker 4: Jacks, what's your thoughts on like upgrading your ring after
Speaker 4: like five or ten years of marriage, like every decade
Speaker 4: or so? Love it?
Speaker 6: You know, because Joanna Gaines like famously rich queen like
Speaker 6: won't upgrade. She has like the same little thing that
Speaker 6: Chip gave her and living the chapel like and like,
Speaker 6: while that's an immensely admirable and beautiful, Like, bitch, you're rich,
Speaker 6: Like get a big diamond.
Speaker 5: Yeah, don't you want like a big honkin thing?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that if you can, you should.
Speaker 1: Simone, did you care?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: Uh someone's looking at her ring?
Speaker 3: I'm looking, Yeah, my ring.
Speaker 2: I did not have Pinterest sports of rings picked out.
Speaker 2: We did go together, but I also got engaged very young,
Speaker 2: and there are so many choices that I would have
Speaker 2: changed if I were getting married now. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: my bridesmaid's dresses were hideous. I'm so sorry. I apologized
Speaker 2: all of them. I had these old I was so
Speaker 2: I was a child bride. I was like twenty three.
Speaker 2: I was so young twenty two. I got engaged when
Speaker 2: I was twenty one. Yeah, there were pink like lights
Speaker 2: in my tent, like for the reception.
Speaker 3: I don't know why pink was the color anyways.
Speaker 2: So the reason why I love my ring is because
Speaker 2: the wedding band detaches from the ring and there's space
Speaker 2: for us to add on to it, like we can
Speaker 2: add on a third piece, which we've said was going
Speaker 2: to happen at ten years, hasn't happened yet. But here's
Speaker 2: open for fifteen. We need to take a quick break,
Speaker 2: but we'll be right back to popping off with Claudia
Speaker 2: and Jackie Ashriy. And we're back with Claudia and Jackie Ashriy.
Speaker 1: The next topic we're going to cover is going to
Speaker 1: be really tough for Claudia and Simone, so Jackie are
Speaker 1: going to have to help me out here. It's the
Speaker 1: topic of exes. You guys don't have very many, you.
Speaker 4: Know, sleigh slay the house town Yeah, no x'es.
Speaker 1: It's truly a sleigh as somebody who has many exes
Speaker 1: that I wish I didn't have. It is a sleigh,
Speaker 1: Yeah it is.
Speaker 6: And honestly, I don't know if that makes us like
Speaker 6: dating experts or we know nothing, because like I've actually
Speaker 6: been on yeah, one date in my.
Speaker 4: Life and so I'm amazing to marry you. Yeah, it
Speaker 4: was such a good date. He couldn't stay away.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, there's this article in the Cut about how
Speaker 1: exes haunt us, which feels pretty timely leading up to Halloween.
Speaker 1: There's nothing like an X popping and that says boo,
Speaker 1: that scares me more. To be honest, they gathered stories
Speaker 1: related to X's reaching back out, So from exes stalking
Speaker 1: LinkedIn pages to getting drunk dialed by an ex for
Speaker 1: fifteen years. That seems like harassment.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Literally, I wish my ex would stalk my LinkedIn because
Speaker 2: I'd be able to see it. Like, at least on LinkedIn,
Speaker 2: you can.
Speaker 4: You get some closure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Like, oh, do you.
Speaker 1: Think that it's okay to be in touch with any
Speaker 1: ex's even if it's appropriate while you're married.
Speaker 6: We were just talking about this because Kaylenicle Travis Kelsey's
Speaker 6: Exibol podcast, like talking about him in a way that
Speaker 6: like a lot of people, you know, had a lot
Speaker 6: to say about and you know, we were sympathetic that, Like, yeah,
Speaker 6: you were someone for five years and you share so much,
Speaker 6: like so many deep parts of yourself, Like it's hard.
Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, like when that
Speaker 6: person moves on, like it does become inappropriate for you
Speaker 6: to continue having a relationship or any form of communication
Speaker 6: with that person, Like I'm I'm not about that, Like
Speaker 6: we can't be friends.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, and even before they move on, Like if
Speaker 7: you're both single, but you broke up, like you broke up,
Speaker 7: and if you want to be in touch, get back
Speaker 7: to back together.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 2: I think that there's a statute of limitations. I feel like,
Speaker 2: if you are friends with an ex from fifteen twenty
Speaker 2: years ago, I think that's fine to stay in touch.
Speaker 7: Did you stay in touch for fifteen years or fifteen
Speaker 7: years later, like, hey, how you doing.
Speaker 5: No, that's just a stranger.
Speaker 2: I think it's only appropriate if you've stayed in touch
Speaker 2: for fifteen years, You've been friends that whole time. They've
Speaker 2: met your new partner, they've kind of been ingratiated into
Speaker 2: the social group.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: I will say I think situations like this are rare.
Speaker 2: Most of the time. I think it's really inappropriate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like, just don't go there. You know,
Speaker 4: you should be happy in you're new Like, what do
Speaker 4: you need another friend for? You're in a happy relationship.
Speaker 4: I'm all you need.
Speaker 1: If you saw your husband like his you know how
Speaker 1: you can see who they've looked up on Instagram? If
Speaker 1: you saw your husband had searched an ex, how would
Speaker 1: you feel? And why are you laughing, Jackie?
Speaker 5: Because that's like a funny situation.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's funny. Ben doesn't have Ben's like ex girlfriend
Speaker 6: like it was when she was like.
Speaker 3: Fourteen, like that kind But seriously, I would be mad,
Speaker 3: like I was, excuse.
Speaker 4: You can only look at pictures of me?
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'd want to know why.
Speaker 7: I feel like there would be a reason, like oh
Speaker 7: I heard that she had a baby right where, you
Speaker 7: know something, as.
Speaker 5: Long as they're so good reasons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Otherwise it makes me livid for some reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I my ex ex boyfriend, I like saw his phone
Speaker 1: and he would look up his ex girlfriend every so
Speaker 1: often just to see what she was up to. And
Speaker 1: I was like, what are you holding onto? It made
Speaker 1: me so angry now and the.
Speaker 6: Fact that he did it repeatedly like a pattern, like
Speaker 6: he had something about that person, Like that's even worse.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Thank you so much, Claudia. I'm on your side,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 3: I disagree with all of you. I think it's human nature.
Speaker 2: I think I think it's natural to be curious about
Speaker 2: someone that you've spent so much time with. And I
Speaker 2: think as long as it's not like problematic and they're
Speaker 2: not messaging them.
Speaker 7: I agree, But not like quarterly, maybe every few years,
Speaker 7: like it is like it's a fun blast from the past.
Speaker 7: But I think that there's like once a year max.
Speaker 7: And if you happen to get caught that one time
Speaker 7: in the year, unfortunate, that's that's suspicious.
Speaker 2: This is something like.
Speaker 6: The Internet sort of has ruined because you have access
Speaker 6: to everybody's information. Like back in the day, what we're
Speaker 6: gonna do stop by the person's place of work? Like
Speaker 6: you really just were really news letter right, you were
Speaker 6: able to forget about people.
Speaker 1: Now you can't. No, No, it's such a twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four problem.
Speaker 3: You're right.
Speaker 1: I think about my parents, like, how are they going
Speaker 1: to look up their exes? They were never to be
Speaker 1: heard or seen again.
Speaker 3: Have your parents ever looked up their exes. Have you
Speaker 3: asked them this?
Speaker 1: I haven't. I asked my parents a lot of inappropriate
Speaker 1: questions that.
Speaker 2: Okay, here's one more topic we're going to pop off
Speaker 2: on y'all. So Pop Sugar recently published an article about
Speaker 2: the living apart together movement. If you're not familiar, this
Speaker 2: is essentially a relationship dynamic in which couples live apart
Speaker 2: from each other. We're not talking about in different bedrooms.
Speaker 2: We're talking about under separate roofs. So the benefits include
Speaker 2: according to the people who are in these types of relationships,
Speaker 2: benefits include preserving personal space and independence. Also could be
Speaker 2: beneficial to couples with wildly different sleep schedules or snoring habits.
Speaker 2: That's the one that came to mind for me. What
Speaker 2: are your thoughts on this dynamic? Could you ever see
Speaker 2: yourself living apart together? No, I'm like cripplingly, like I
Speaker 2: hating alone.
Speaker 6: I love being married, Like, come home sooner, come home
Speaker 6: from work, quit your job, be my friend, like I
Speaker 6: I that's to me one of the benefits of marriage.
Speaker 6: I try to judge, you know, anyone set up, but like,
Speaker 6: if I'm gonna judge, like, this is not for me, like,
Speaker 6: this is not what marriage is about. Marriage is like,
Speaker 6: you know, making a commitment to like be together all
Speaker 6: the time.
Speaker 4: It's a marriage.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I do think that I don't know the
Speaker 7: ages of people who are doing this, but I do
Speaker 7: think it's something up. Maybe you could unlock, like forty
Speaker 7: years into marriage when it's like listen, I gotta get
Speaker 7: a good night's sleep. You like to watch this show
Speaker 7: like we obviously love each other.
Speaker 1: I mean there's always this research that comes out about
Speaker 1: like is it okay or beneficial for your marriage to
Speaker 1: sleep apart because sleep experts all say yes, like getting
Speaker 1: great sleep is the key factor here, but like people
Speaker 1: always say no.
Speaker 3: I could see you doing this honestly with your sleep.
Speaker 1: You're obsessed with I'm obsessed with sleep. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: feel very similar to Claudia, like I'm like a crawling
Speaker 1: in your skin, like we are together together.
Speaker 4: By the way, I am also obsessed with sleep.
Speaker 5: So ever, you probably sleep better with Ben.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I like sleep so bad when I'm alone.
Speaker 6: I'm Loki also like afraid of the dark, like I
Speaker 6: watched like so much SVU growing up.
Speaker 4: I always think there's a murder in my closet.
Speaker 6: Whatever, the opposite of like living apart together, Like I'm
Speaker 6: like living up your butt, Like that's that's my ideal marriage.
Speaker 3: Me too.
Speaker 1: I want to like crawl into your pants and your
Speaker 1: sweatshirt whatever.
Speaker 4: It's like you couldn't possibly be close enough to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, okay, I need to get away from you.
Speaker 2: I'm like, me, let me hug her.
Speaker 1: She won't let me hug her.
Speaker 6: True, that is Jackie and I like, good luck ever
Speaker 6: getting like a kiss from Jackie.
Speaker 1: Did you guys watch the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show?
Speaker 4: We did?
Speaker 1: We did?
Speaker 6: We had really we did, like a forty five minute
Speaker 6: recap on the podcast because we had I needed to
Speaker 6: work through our feelings almost.
Speaker 1: Like and I felt the same way. We had a
Speaker 1: lot of feelings.
Speaker 7: Someone commented, so did the girls like the show or
Speaker 7: did they not like the show? I couldn't tell you, Like,
Speaker 7: there were things about it that were good, but over
Speaker 7: we're all like it just wasn't iconic, and I don't
Speaker 7: think it accomplished what they were trying to accomplish, which
Speaker 7: I still don't know what they were trying to accomplish.
Speaker 2: I think it's really hard to bring back that show.
Speaker 2: I just think it's kind of it doesn't age well
Speaker 2: even if you try to come back with good intentions.
Speaker 2: We all know, we were all there, We all saw
Speaker 2: the culture. We were part of the culture.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, you said something yesterday that I thought was brilliant,
Speaker 1: which was you were like, we.
Speaker 3: Can't just forgive you Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: I think if you grew up as a teenager in
Speaker 2: the nineties early two thousands, we were all part of
Speaker 2: that toxic beauty culture. We all saw the tabloids, we
Speaker 2: all saw how women were consistently torn down.
Speaker 3: In the media.
Speaker 2: And you can't expect us to just forget, Like, we're
Speaker 2: not going to forget what happened.
Speaker 4: That's what Jackie was saying.
Speaker 6: Like, remember back in the day, they would have like packages,
Speaker 6: pre recorded packages between each.
Speaker 4: Like music set and explain the outfits and the meaning.
Speaker 4: They just like no explanation. They didn't explain to us.
Speaker 4: Is this a one time thing? Is this a reunion?
Speaker 4: Are they back bed better than ever every year?
Speaker 6: What's the point? What's different about it? Like there was
Speaker 6: no story. It was just I liked it because it
Speaker 6: was short. I love short things.
Speaker 4: I'd like such a short but they really shortened meaning.
Speaker 4: They needed meaning yeah, there was no meaning.
Speaker 6: In addition to like, yes, we had a lot of
Speaker 6: critiques about the actual show. There were far too many models.
Speaker 6: The camera work was really bad. Everything was so dark,
Speaker 6: the makeup was badly, costumes were ugly. Like when it
Speaker 6: comes to the actual purpose, I'm unclear on why they
Speaker 6: brought it back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't answer the why. I'm left wondering, like,
Speaker 2: what was the point? You know, it's that we were
Speaker 2: missing the why. But honestly, just us talking about it today,
Speaker 2: this is a great millennial therapy session.
Speaker 3: I feel a lot better. So thank you.
Speaker 1: What I learned is that internally I understand their why,
Speaker 1: and it didn't it wasn't communicated. Yeah, smart, what you said,
Speaker 1: where was the story?
Speaker 2: Claudia, Jackie, thank you so much for popping off with
Speaker 2: us today and bringing your sisterly energy.
Speaker 3: We loved it.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much, so much for having so
Speaker 1: feat Thank you.
Speaker 2: Claudia and Jackie Aushriya are sisters and co hosts of
Speaker 2: the pop culture podcast The Toast.
Speaker 1: It's time for another short break. We'll be right back, Simon.
Speaker 1: We've had a lot of fun talking about what's in
Speaker 1: our cards each week.
Speaker 3: I know, right, I mean, I'm trying to keep up.
Speaker 3: There's been so many good products.
Speaker 1: Well, today we have an entire fall decor refresh courtesy
Speaker 1: of Walmart. To me, follow is all about entertaining, right.
Speaker 1: It's the time of year when you start spending more
Speaker 1: time at home, so you're having people over for dinner parties,
Speaker 1: or if you're me, you're staying in and binge watching
Speaker 1: the new show. Nobody wants this. I am obsessed.
Speaker 3: Oh it's so good.
Speaker 2: Okay, dare I say we're going from brat summer into cozygirlfall.
Speaker 1: I love that, and I love to take a weekend
Speaker 1: every fall to clean out my whole apartment and donate
Speaker 1: what I'm not loving anymore and then find new pieces
Speaker 1: that are more meat you know.
Speaker 2: Ooh Okay, on that note, what is the most you
Speaker 2: thing in your apartment now that you've cleaned out everything?
Speaker 1: Okay, So this fall, I'm all about simple, sophisticated pieces
Speaker 1: that elevate entertaining. So I went to walmart dot com
Speaker 1: and found a set of cast iron candlesticks and a
Speaker 1: twelve piece stoneware dinner set that are both from the
Speaker 1: Better Homes and Gardens collection. And as you know, I
Speaker 1: am not crafty, but the stoneware plates look like they
Speaker 1: could have been handmade by somebody.
Speaker 3: Else of course, ooh, you are ready for entertaining?
Speaker 1: Oh yes, And for my living room, I found a
Speaker 1: gorgeous burrelwood tabletop tray from Drew Barrymore's brand Beautiful that
Speaker 1: has these delicate gold handles and a really elegant mid
Speaker 1: Century Modern inspired floor lamp in brass. And I love
Speaker 1: how all these natural, earthy textures and colors work so
Speaker 1: well to create such a timeless look. Someone, what about you?
Speaker 1: What do you think of when I say fall decor Hmmm?
Speaker 2: I don't know for me if fall is the best
Speaker 2: time to do DIY projects and get everything in order
Speaker 2: before the holidays hit and it starts to get crazy
Speaker 2: when you know we're going to be traveling and hosting
Speaker 2: and everything. I'm actually finishing up a home improvement project
Speaker 2: now that I've been working on for a little while.
Speaker 3: Do you remember how in our.
Speaker 2: Episode on Perfectionism I mentioned that I'm building these closet
Speaker 2: doors for my sun's room. Yes, And I got stuck
Speaker 2: in the parking lot at the hardware store in freeze
Speaker 2: mode because I was too scared to buy the wrong
Speaker 2: type of lumber.
Speaker 1: I remember, and go you for getting over your procrastinator perfectionism.
Speaker 1: So now that you're done making the doors for the
Speaker 1: boys room, what finishing touches are on your list?
Speaker 2: Well, since you asked, I'm getting our guest bedroom ready
Speaker 2: for the holidays because we're gonna have family in town.
Speaker 2: So I'm all about the Better Homes and Gardens collection
Speaker 2: on Walmart dot com. I mean, it's been a life saver.
Speaker 2: I found these crisp arctic white, three hundred thread count
Speaker 2: sheets that are so nice. I just had to get
Speaker 2: a second for our bedroom too.
Speaker 1: You know how important good betting is to me.
Speaker 3: I know, right, I feel you on that.
Speaker 2: Well, to top it all off, we got this dark
Speaker 2: brown roused faux for throw, also from the Better Homes
Speaker 2: and Gardens collection. It looked so cozy online I just
Speaker 2: couldn't resist, and when it arrived I was surprised by
Speaker 2: how luxurious it feels.
Speaker 3: It is dangerously soft. I actually fell asleep under it
Speaker 3: on the couch last night.
Speaker 1: Hmm, sleep, sleep, sleep. You're speaking my language, okay.
Speaker 2: But then for the adults, I also have my eye
Speaker 2: on a new set of crystal stemware glasses, perfect for
Speaker 2: something bubbly during our holiday parties. They're so festive and
Speaker 2: they have this really elegant modern vibe. But they're also approachable,
Speaker 2: you know, like not too fancy where we can't use
Speaker 2: them every day, meaning they're dishwasher safe.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's only October and you're already ready for
Speaker 1: the holidays. I am so impressed.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm embressd with everything Walmart has to offer.
Speaker 1: Yep, thank you to our partners at Walmart. Check out
Speaker 1: walmart dot com to find all of this and more.
Speaker 1: That's it for today. On Monday, we're joined by Food
Speaker 1: Network star and cookbook author Mollie Yay. She's telling us
Speaker 1: all about go to Halloween treats and life on a farm.
Speaker 1: Listen and follow The bright Side on the iHeartRadio app,
Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The bright
Speaker 1: Side is a production of Hello, Sunshine and iHeart Podcasts
Speaker 1: and is executive produced by Reese Witherspoon.
Speaker 2: Production by Arcana Audio. Our producers are Jessica Wenk and
Speaker 2: Christa Ripple. Our senior producers are Janis Yamoka, it'si Kin
Speaker 2: Thania and Amy Padula. Our engineer is PJ Shahamatt.
Speaker 1: Arcana's executive producers are Francis Harlowe and Abby Ruzika. Arcana's
Speaker 1: head of production is Matt Schultz.
Speaker 2: Natalie Tuluk and Maureen Polo are the executive producers for
Speaker 2: Hello Sunshine.
Speaker 1: Julia Weaver is the supervising producer, and Ali Perry is
Speaker 1: the executive producer for iHeart Podcasts. Tim Palazzola is our showrunner.
Speaker 2: This week's episodes were recorded by Josh Hook and Joel Morales.
Speaker 2: Our theme song is by Anna Stump and Hamilton Lighthouser.
Speaker 1: Special thanks to Connell Byrne and Will Pearson.
Speaker 2: I'm Simone Boyce. You can find me at Simone Boyce
Speaker 2: on Instagram and TikTok.
Speaker 1: And I'm Danielle Robe on Instagram and TikTok. That's ro
Speaker 1: O b A Y.
Speaker 3: We'll see you Monday, y'all.
Speaker 2: Keep looking on the bright side.