1 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: Here we go, the official show on the Fish Stripes Podcast. 2 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: I'm Eli Susman along with Hector Rodriguez. This episode presented 3 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: by Symbol the Stock Market for Sports. You know what 4 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: we do on this pod, Miami Marlins coverage Miami usually, 5 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: but today there will be a splash of Florida Marlins 6 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: in the conversation too, because our amazing guest is the 7 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: World Series champion, the two time MLB All Star, the 8 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: four time Gold Glove Award winner. He's one of the 9 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: most important players in the history of the franchise. Charles Johnson. 10 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 1: We appreciate you, CJ. Thank you for joining us. 11 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm really glad to be here. 12 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 3: And there's a whole lot going on. 13 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: As I said right before we started recording, really fascinated 14 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: to find out what you're doing with this collegiate summer league, 15 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: this wood bat league up in Fort Pierce that gets 16 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: in less than a couple of months. 17 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 3: But while we have you on a lot of topics. 18 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: We wanted to get to to just hear your thoughts 19 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: on the current state of the Marlins, the current state 20 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: of baseball in general. And I mean we'll just start 21 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: with the twenty twenty one Marlins team. I mean, as 22 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: we're recording this, they just finished off another win. I 23 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,559 Speaker 1: know you were following the team closely last year when 24 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: they made that surprise run into the playoffs. How much 25 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: do you get to watch the team this year and 26 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: what like individual players really stick out to you. 27 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I watched the team this year periodically. 28 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 4: Because of the COVID with me being the ambassador of 29 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 4: the Marlins, some of my duties going to the field 30 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 4: have definitely limited. So I have really been going to 31 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 4: the field and really been paying attention completely what's going 32 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 4: on with the Marlins. 33 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: But I'm always enjoyed watching the Marlins. 34 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 4: I mean, they have some really good, great young talent, 35 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 4: and you know with Aglar, i mean he's doing this 36 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 4: thing and I love the excitement and the energy of 37 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 4: Jazz and I'm just really happy for him in the 38 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 4: way he's been playing and what he's been doing. And 39 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 4: then but yeah, I'm I'm really excited, you know with 40 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 4: the Marlins on. You know, with Akintar and Lopez, those 41 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 4: are two two of my main guys I love to watch. 42 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 4: With me being a catcher, I know they are the 43 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 4: work horses and so I know things are going to 44 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 4: pull around for them as far as and win call 45 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 4: them because it's a long season. 46 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, I enjoyed watching 47 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 2: those guys. 48 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you mentioned Jazz because at the moment 49 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: he might be emerging as the face of the team. 50 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: He's already one of the best players on the team 51 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: based on what we've seen, you know, this first full 52 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: month of his rookie season, but definitely someone that kind 53 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: of transcends Miami, right like we're seeing all around baseball 54 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: people take notice of what he's doing. 55 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 3: And I mean, you. 56 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: Could correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you've 57 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: known him going back a little while. I know for 58 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: sure when they had that home run derby in Paradise 59 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: out in the Bahamas, the last time that they were 60 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: able to do that January twenty twenty. That was right 61 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: before Jazz got to debut in the majors, but he 62 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: was in the organization. And I mean from I saw 63 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: you were over there as you know, part of this 64 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: MLB Playball initiative. Did when did you actually meet Jazz 65 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:13,119 Speaker 1: in the first place? And yeah, like what obviously your 66 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: thoughts on how amazing and exciting he's been so far 67 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: this season. 68 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 4: Well, I definitely know Jazz as far as home Run Derby, 69 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 4: but don't blink slash Charles Johnson ho Run Derby, which 70 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 4: I've I enjoyed being a part of over the last 71 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 4: three or four years. 72 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: Just really seeing some of those young guys. 73 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 4: And the Bahamas and throughout the Caribbean and really started 74 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 4: making them emerge into the into the game of baseball. 75 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 4: And and I have some close times. My wife family 76 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 4: is from the Mahamas, so her tired family is from there, 77 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 4: So I used to make trips over there all the time, 78 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 4: the Mahamas, and I used to pass out to Charles 79 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 4: Johnson catching Award for many years over in the Mahammas, 80 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 4: and so I definitely got some ties there. And so 81 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 4: for me to be able to see Jazz and see 82 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 4: him do his thing is really exciting because I know 83 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 4: what I know, Bahama's excited about him, and I get 84 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 4: a lot of text from the Bahamas about how. 85 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: Well he's doing. And what I like about Jazz too 86 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: is that he's bringing. 87 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 4: Something to the game I think the game has definitely 88 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 4: been missing, and that is base base stealing. Because when 89 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 4: I came in the league, there were a lot of 90 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 4: base stealers. I came in the league with Ricky Henderson 91 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 4: and guys like Deon Sanders and Vince cob and those 92 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 4: guys were they changed the game of baseball as far 93 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 4: as still in bases and the game was really exciting. 94 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 4: And so for me to see Jazz doing this thing 95 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 4: making the game really exciting and and still in bases 96 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 4: and you know, hitting home runs and now he has 97 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 4: that that blue hair thing he has going on, so 98 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,559 Speaker 4: I mean, he's he just enjoyed the watch. 99 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, as you were saying, I mean, seven for seven 100 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: stolen bases and hasn't been caught yet by anybody right 101 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: up there with the league leaders. I mean, it's impressive. 102 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean a lot of that is because 103 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: teams are worried about guys getting thrown out on the 104 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: basis and they value those outs so much, right, they 105 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: don't want to give anything away. So one of the 106 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: few guys that get that green light are the ones 107 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: like Jazz that are successful every single time. 108 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, he definitely should get that green light. I mean, 109 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 2: he definitely changed the game with him and the. 110 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 4: Base path, and that's what I loved about the game 111 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 4: of baseball when I came in the league, it was 112 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 4: all about still in bases, bunting guys, over getting guys, 113 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 4: over really playing the game, as for as sacrifice flies, 114 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 4: and it was all of stuff going on, whereas in 115 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 4: the National League it was all about execution. 116 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: And so I really enjoy to see that the excitement 117 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 2: that he brings to the game. 118 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: Oh when it comes to looking at baseball today and 119 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: some of the other changes that are coming. We're recording 120 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: this just a few days before the minor league season 121 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: gets started, and for the first time in minor league 122 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: regular season games, at least at the low A level, 123 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: they're going to have this automated strike zone, automatic balls 124 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: and strikes from you know, from programming it in advance 125 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: and taking the human error out of the situation behind 126 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: the plate. Still could be a little while off before 127 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: we see that in the majors, but for right now, 128 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: we have actual, you know, future major leaguers that are 129 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: going to be learning their game with that automated strike zone, 130 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: and especially obviously catchers, where this is at least from 131 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: the best that we could tell at the major league level. 132 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: You know, the best guys at framing pitches, at presenting 133 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: pitches that they can make a real impact with that 134 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: part of their game, and now that it's starting to 135 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: work its way up pro baseball with potentially not having 136 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: that element involved with it as a catcher and as 137 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: someone that works hands on with developing catchers, are are 138 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: you a fan? Are you not a fan of having 139 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: this setup where things are all automatic and where that 140 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: little slide of glove where that doesn't make a difference anymore. 141 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 4: As a hitter, I would be a fan because I 142 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 4: know I get some precise calls, But as a catcher, 143 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 4: it definitely would take the fun out of it. As 144 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 4: far as me as a catcher being behind the plate 145 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 4: and framing balls and really saving pictures for pictures, it 146 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 4: keeps me focused all the time, whereas that I'm aware 147 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 4: of what I'm doing as far as helping the picture out. 148 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 4: And so if that comes into play, I think you're 149 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 4: gonna have a whole bunch of catchers just pretty much. 150 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 4: It's going to be just there catching the ball and 151 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 4: rather than I think, working hard to save pictures for pictures. 152 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: Do you really feel it behind the play in certain 153 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: games where you feel like that's made a difference between 154 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: wins and losses When you've had certain games, depending on 155 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: the ump or depending on the picture that you're working with, 156 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: where you feel like those borderline calls actually change the 157 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: outcome and that that part is coming out of the 158 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: game too. 159 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 4: It definitely changed outcome. And for me, what it does 160 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 4: is that it here, it was a picture momentum. I mean, 161 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 4: you know, he can be ball one, ball two, and 162 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 4: all of a sudden, I framed a nice one on 163 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 4: the corner, and now you two to one, and all 164 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 4: of a sudden, now he's two two, and now he's 165 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 4: back in there. He's back in the in the game again. 166 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 4: As far as he found something different, he feels in something. 167 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 4: And so a catcher is social menus behind home play 168 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 4: because the way he is, his energy behind the plate, 169 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 4: what he brings to the team, the way he frames 170 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 4: balls behind home plate, his leadership role behind home play. 171 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 4: So to me, the catcher brings a lot to the 172 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 4: game of baseball. That one of the reason why I 173 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 4: decided to catch. I mean, I was a left fielder 174 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 4: when I started catching in the little league, and I 175 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 4: decided to catch it because I was bored. 176 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: I being in the little. 177 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 4: League, you're not you don't get much action out in 178 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 4: the outfield, and so I decided I wanted to catch him, 179 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 4: and I told my coach, Jimbo, that I wanted to 180 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 4: get behind the plate, and and that's when I started catching. 181 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 4: I came home and told my dad I wanted to 182 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 4: be a catcher, and and that's where I started, you know, 183 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 4: back when I was nine years old, because I was 184 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 4: bored in the outfield. 185 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: I can relate to that so well because I started 186 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: playing Little League almost about the same age, and they 187 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: stuck me in the outfield. Not I mean the message 188 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: that sense is that when you're that young, nobody's hitting 189 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: it to the outfield, so they put you there when 190 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: you're not very good. And from there I didn't follow 191 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: the same path as you. You know, I stayed in 192 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: the outfield until I retired from the game. But yeah, 193 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: I can understand that about those games and how you 194 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: definitely do lose focus out there, you accomplish other things. 195 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 3: You know, you're looking at the grass and just. 196 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: Chewing gum, and it's yeah, it's I could definitely relate 197 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: to that for sure. One other thing that happened very 198 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: recently here in baseball, I'm sure you heard about it, 199 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: is Madison Bumgarner pitching a no hitter, only a seven 200 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: inning no hitter, And there's been a big controversy about 201 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: Major League Baseball not officially recognizing it as a no 202 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: no because it was only a seven inning double header 203 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: game instead of full nine innings. 204 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 3: And we thought you'd be the. 205 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: Perfect guy to talk to this about because you call 206 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: it one, two, three, You got three nighters with the Marlins. 207 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: I could be you could correct me if I'm forgetting 208 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: ones with your other teams, if it's actually more than three, 209 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: Is that. 210 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: It is three? Yes, it is right. 211 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: And those were all back in the old days when 212 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: you played nine innings for every game, So those were 213 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: all full nine innings no hitters. As as a catcher, 214 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: I mean, if you were in that situation as they 215 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: were a few days ago, where it's a seven ning game, 216 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: but you guys do everything everything great, you pitch a 217 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: no no, you don't allow every single hit. You think 218 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: that would feel the same as going a full nine. 219 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: You think that that kind of achievement should be counted 220 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: the same way as a full nine innings. 221 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 4: You played an official ball game. You played seven innings, 222 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 4: and it's official, and so it's in the books, and 223 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 4: so I can understand the other. 224 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 2: Side of it. 225 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 4: Whereas at nine innies is a true game in the 226 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 4: nine inninges is totally different because anything can happen within 227 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 4: two I mean anything can happen. 228 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 2: Where is that? I mean, you know, guys can get 229 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: plenty home runs in two innies. 230 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 4: But I truly believe that if it's official, then I 231 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 4: believe a no hitter should be counted in the books. 232 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: Yes, well, while we're on that subject, we had one 233 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: of our readers reach out when they knew you were 234 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: coming on. They wanted to ask you about the no hitters. 235 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: The three for people that aren't familiar, al Leier, Kevin Brown, 236 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: AJ Burnett, All three of them a little bit different 237 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: or a lot different with how you actually got the 238 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: job done. Out of those three, was there one day 239 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: of those three that sticks out as the one where 240 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: the guy was the most dominant where you felt really 241 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: confident all the way, like from start to finish, that 242 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: they could actually throw no no. Does one of them 243 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: stick out as what was, like, I guess, the most 244 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: impressive game that you ever caught, one where that guy 245 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: really had it locked in and didn't need much help 246 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: at all from the rest of the team. 247 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 4: I think the one that's probably the most impressed with 248 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 4: the most was Kevin Brown New hit Her in San Francisco. 249 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 2: He basically threw a. 250 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 4: Perfect game in the ninth then and he hit about 251 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 4: Her and that's basically killed this perfect game. But when 252 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 4: that game started, I almost felt something was incredible happened 253 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 4: that day because when he left out of the bullpen 254 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 4: and it just felt so good. I mean, he had 255 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 4: a tilt on his sinker was like crazy. And so 256 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 4: in San Francisco you always got this little swirling win 257 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 4: that goes on there in old canter stick, right, and 258 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 4: so you got all this swirling win. You got a 259 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 4: guy throwing a sinker like like Hughes tilt on it. 260 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 4: And when the game started, I'm looking at this ball. 261 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 4: It was looking like a frisbee, and I'm saying to myself, 262 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 4: I don't think nobody's gonna hit this guy today. But 263 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 4: at the end of the day, as a catcher's not 264 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 4: gonna say anything. But I felt something that was gonna 265 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 4: be weird that day, and sure enough, he almost a 266 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 4: perfect game, and I think that was probably the most 267 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 4: dominant game. 268 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 2: But I would say probably A. J. 269 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 4: Burnett was probably one of the most wildest games no 270 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 4: hitters I've ever called, because I have never seen anybody 271 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 4: throw almost one hundred and twenty eight pitches and probably 272 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,599 Speaker 4: don't quote me, but I think about one hundred and 273 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 4: twenty three were fastballs. So he threw like one hundred 274 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 4: and twenty three fastball that threw a no hitter. So 275 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 4: he walked like nine guys, we turned two double plays, 276 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 4: and it. 277 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 2: Was so much going on during the game, Whereas it 278 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 2: didn't feel like he was throwing a no hitter because 279 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 2: he was so many guys on base that it didn't 280 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: feel like a no hitter. But at the end of 281 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 2: the day, he. 282 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 4: Threw a no hitter, and I that was a wow, 283 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 4: wild game. 284 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 285 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: Well that was when he was right at the start 286 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: of his career AJ and as things as years went on, 287 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: as he left Marlins, as things went on, he developed 288 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: this really nasty curveball, and I mean that would be 289 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: his putaway pitch, like from like the best years of 290 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: his career, but that was a different phase of his career. 291 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy where he was at that stage 292 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: where he was still kind of developing and like finding 293 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: his footing, and that was when he threw the no hitter, 294 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: but actually probably later in his career he became that 295 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 1: more complete pitcher. Yes, and he really was more valuable 296 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: to the team, you know, once started to start. 297 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 2: But he've always had a great curveball. 298 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 4: I mean, I mean his curveball would explode out of 299 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 4: his hand even like it's fastball. I mean, I probably 300 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 4: didn't catch very few guys like aj where is that 301 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 4: the ball gets upon you so fast that it just 302 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 4: comes out his hand like a like a bullet and 303 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 4: it just gets on you really fast. But his curveball 304 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 4: was was was just I mean, left handed hitters couldn't 305 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 4: hit his curveball at the times because it was. 306 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 2: Just that good. 307 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: One more thing on this subject when it comes to 308 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: pitching and what actually works and what actually leads to 309 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: these kind of no hitter situations is I think this 310 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: is a question that people still kind of wrestle with today. 311 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: You know, baseball's been around one hundred and fifty years 312 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: or more, but people still try to figure out with 313 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: pitching whether it's more important to have great stuff or 314 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: to have great commands. And I guess on some days 315 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: you have both of them. On other days you might 316 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: only have one and still have a lot of success, 317 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: including I guess with aj and that performance where all 318 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: the walks that were piling up in that game and 319 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: yet still able to have success because of the quality 320 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: of his fastball. 321 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 3: But which piece of that equation do you. 322 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: Think is more important for a pitcher to actually be 323 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: consistent and successful. Is it the command of their pitches 324 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: or is it the quality of their stuff. 325 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 4: I'm gonna say the command of their pitches. Most guys 326 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 4: when they come to the league, they come in the 327 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 4: league with great stuff. In order to stay in the league, 328 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 4: you have to learn how to pitch. 329 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 2: And so when. 330 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 4: Gods started to learn you, they started to figure out 331 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 4: a little bit. You have to learn how to pitch. 332 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 4: And so when I came to the league, you had 333 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 4: guys like say Greg Maddox, Tom Glavin, you know, being 334 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 4: in the same division, we played them a lot, and 335 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 4: so they didn't throw very hard, they threw low nineties, 336 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 4: that kind of stuff, but they knew how to pitch. 337 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 4: And so I think if guys come in the league 338 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 4: and he learned how to pitch early, no question about it, 339 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 4: and you have great stuff. I mean, I mean just 340 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 4: justights out. I mean one of the young guys. I 341 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 4: know when I first started catching, I felt that he 342 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 4: kind of had that a little bit. Was was Josh Beckett. 343 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 4: He was that guy whereas that he had he had 344 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 4: great stuff, but he had a he had somewhat of 345 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 4: an idea how to pitch me. He first came in 346 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 4: the league, and when I first started catching, he had 347 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 4: an idea about what he wanted to do with great stuff. 348 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 4: And you rarely see that because usually a guy with 349 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 4: great stuff they just. 350 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 2: Want to throw and throw and by guys. 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And the real reason why we 371 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: wanted to talk to him right now on this pod, 372 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: among many other things, is of course about this summer 373 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: collegiate baseball league that he has lended his name to. 374 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: The Charles Johnson Collegiate Summer League get started in less 375 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: than two months. That's kind of why Hector is actually 376 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: on here with me. So he had a lot of 377 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: questions about exactly what you're doing with the league and 378 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: how it I guess we'll just start with the general 379 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: stuff before I hand over to Hector. How did this 380 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: come about in the first place? Because I know you've, uh, 381 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 1: I guess, for years now, you've shown this interest in 382 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: coaching up young players and making them better and just 383 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: giving back to the game. How did this particular league 384 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: come about? 385 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 2: It came about through you know, a good friend of mine, 386 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 2: Mario Si really. 387 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 4: I mean I've known Mario since way back in my 388 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 4: early days of being with the Marlins, and we've been friends, 389 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 4: you know, ever since. And he approached me about this 390 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 4: this league in Fort Pierce, and it was very intriguing 391 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 4: to me because me born and raised in Fort Pierce 392 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 4: and my family and my sister, brother, mom, and dad 393 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 4: all still lived there. 394 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 2: All my family is there. 395 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 4: And he brought me and said, hey, we can you know, 396 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 4: definitely create a league there. And I say, you know what, 397 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 4: I can define put my name on because I know, 398 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 4: definitely Mario does a great job as far as forming 399 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 4: leagues like this, and and I'm very excited about it 400 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 4: because I truly really bring a lot of young players 401 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 4: together definitely to be some great baseball. 402 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 2: But at the same time, I mean, they're gonna learn. 403 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 4: Life skills and and and I truly believe that it's 404 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 4: going to be, you know, a great thing for these 405 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 4: young kids. 406 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 5: So, Charles, so what is you're playing really with these kids? 407 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 5: So I imagine you summer collegiate ball was around when 408 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 5: you were at UM. 409 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 2: Correct, Yes, it is. 410 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 5: So what so first, just talk about how your experiences 411 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 5: were Were you able to experience Cape cod while you're 412 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 5: at Miami or you know, what type of league did 413 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 5: you play in during your time at the U. 414 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 4: My som leagues that you were spent mostly playing in 415 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:49,719 Speaker 4: the Pan American Games and really playing in the Olympics. 416 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 4: So I didn't do like the Cape Colleague and everything else, 417 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 4: because just fortunately enough that my years were coming up 418 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 4: toward the nineteen ninety two Olympics and in Barcelona at 419 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 4: the time and a Dream Team year, and they had 420 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 4: the Dream Team there and so my years was coming 421 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 4: up to that, so I spent a lot of time 422 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 4: trying to make that team. 423 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 2: And so that's that. That was my summer years, all right. 424 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 5: So I mean, just how how was that experience? 425 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:14,239 Speaker 2: Just talk about that. 426 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's got to be a pretty cool experience. 427 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 5: I played collegeball, but I wasn't good enough to get 428 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 5: to try out for the USA national team. 429 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 4: I mean it was experience. I've always been part of 430 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 4: the USA experience. Even in high school. I played on 431 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 4: the junior Olympic team in Australia won to go medal 432 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 4: in Melbourne against the Cuban team when I was in 433 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 4: high school, and so that kind of led me to 434 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 4: really take a shot at the Olympics, and I did 435 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,239 Speaker 4: my whole Olympic trial and everything, and I ended up 436 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 4: making the team and played in the Pan American Games 437 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 4: in Cuba. Really enjoyed that experience. I played in Havana, 438 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 4: played in Santiago, Cuba, had a chance to, like I said, 439 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 4: make the Olympic team, and and just being able to 440 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 4: wear USA corstal chests and walk into a stadium and 441 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 4: at the time you have you come into the stadium 442 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 4: in alphabetical order, you have baseball, you know, basketball, and 443 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 4: so at the time baseball and basketball came out together, 444 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 4: and so were walking out with a dream things. So 445 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 4: I got, you know, Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan and 446 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 4: Larry Bird walking out in the stadium with USA cross 447 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 4: our chests, were wearing our hats, and so it was 448 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 4: a wonderful experience for me. 449 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 5: Did you ever get a chance to talk to anybody 450 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 5: on the Dream Team while you were there? 451 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 4: I talked to Charles Barkley, because Barkley would come to 452 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 4: the village a lot, and he would hang around in 453 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 4: the valley the village, and I got a chance to 454 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 4: talk to him a little bit. But I never I 455 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 4: never had a chance to talk to them because they 456 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 4: stayed away from the village, so they didn't stay with 457 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 4: us in the village. And periodically a guy too would 458 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 4: come over. But I mean they were so big at 459 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 4: that point, I don't think nobody could get to them. 460 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 2: At that time. 461 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, so, yeah, so I can't imagine how exciting that was. 462 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 5: But I want to talk about your you know, the 463 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 5: league that you're a part of, you know. But so, 464 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 5: I mean, how many teams, what's the playing there are 465 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 5: you going to start this upcoming summer, and how many 466 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 5: teams and how many games do you plan on playing 467 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 5: this season? 468 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 2: I mean it's gonna be like six teams. 469 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 4: I mean we're looking at playing pretty much throughout the summer, 470 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 4: pretty much like thirty two games in the area, from 471 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 4: like the in of June, June twenty fifth through August six. 472 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 4: And I think it's gonna be a great experience. We're 473 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 4: gonna have seminars for these young kids. We're gonna have 474 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 4: specialized training when you're gonna have guys like alex Arias, 475 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 4: which is a former teammate of mine with the Marlins. 476 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 4: He's gonna be there working on hitting with the young guys. 477 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 4: We're gonna have Pupo Alphasakah Tony Afasakah is gonna be 478 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 4: there working with the pictures and so we're looking to 479 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 4: bring on some more guys, but our main thing is 480 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 4: really teaching them and really develop these kids. So it's 481 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 4: all about development but at the same time give them 482 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 4: life skills and that's really what our focus is going 483 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 4: to be on. And also to it the end, and 484 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 4: were looking at having a pro day where hopefully bringing 485 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 4: in some scouts. I'm having an opportunity for these kids 486 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 4: to playing a game at the end also games so 487 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 4: somewhat of and and really recognize some of the really 488 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 4: good kids there and hopefully give them opportunity to move 489 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 4: on as far as bringing some scouts out and bringing 490 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 4: some other folks out to see them play. 491 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, c J, I'd seen that detail about your teammates 492 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: about Alfon Seka and Aris being involved in this. Did 493 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: you have to like recruit them? Like what was that 494 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: process like, were they like all ready to get back 495 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: into coaching or did you have to do a little 496 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: convincing How did that all play out to get them 497 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: to commit to do this, because that's a really it's 498 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: a great opportunity for the kids. 499 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 2: Great opportunity. 500 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 4: I know Mario reached out to both of them as 501 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 4: far as really trying to come on board, and I 502 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 4: spoke to him about it about coming on board, and 503 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 4: both of them are already doing things at. 504 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: This point now. 505 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 4: I mean, I know is coaching in some leagues, and 506 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 4: I know Alex is always around the game of baseball, 507 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 4: and both of them are very good teachers. They understand 508 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 4: the game and and you know, they have a very 509 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 4: good mind I said about the game. And so I'm 510 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 4: very excited for them to come on board and be 511 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 4: there at Fort pierceon and play at you know, at 512 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 4: the Long and Longwood Complex where I played my high 513 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 4: school ball at. 514 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 5: Is this league available to just any type of college player, 515 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 5: like from the Division one level all the way down 516 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 5: to the junior college the. 517 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: Ranks, Yes it is, Yes, it is. 518 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you know, you're eighteen to twenty three, 519 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 4: and so you know it might be some kids that's 520 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 4: pretty much you know, at the end of the high 521 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 4: school career that definitely can participate in this league. And 522 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,719 Speaker 4: so yes, no question about it. I'm hoping for it 523 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 4: to be a very competitive league. Were really doing a 524 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 4: good job as far as trying to get the information 525 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 4: out there, whereas that to bring in some really good kids. 526 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure because in the area I've been hearing 527 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 4: a lot of what's going on, and I think it's 528 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 4: going to be a competitive league. But at the end 529 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 4: of the day, it's for me, it's all about developing 530 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 4: these kids and giving them life skills. So I'm definitely 531 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 4: gonna have my own personal catching seminar and clinic working 532 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 4: with some young kids that want to be catchers, and 533 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 4: and we're gonna have a seminar and bring other folks 534 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 4: in and really talk to these young kids because we 535 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 4: got to keep them busy, got to keep them educated 536 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 4: and keep their mind going because they're going to be 537 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 4: there for some weeks. So so yes, it's gonna be 538 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 4: a lot more things we're going to add to it 539 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 4: along the way. 540 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, as we're talking right now, it seems, you know, 541 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: fingers crossed, we could see the light at the end 542 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: of this tunnel when it comes to COVID nineteen in 543 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: the pandemic. Unfortunately, last summer, I think just about every 544 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: summer league had to, you know, shut it down for 545 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: the summer because we didn't know what we were dealing 546 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 1: with we didn't know how to keep people safe. Hopefully 547 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: a couple months away from now, you know, almost everybody 548 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: gets an opportunity to get vaccinated and things go pretty easily. 549 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: But are there any special, you know, precautions that the 550 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: league has to set up, you know, to make sure 551 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: that everybody stays safe and that there's no shutdowns because 552 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: we've even seen we've seen it even in Major League 553 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: Baseball this year where some teams have their own many 554 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: outbreaks and the causes inconveniences. So are they any special 555 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: steps that you guys had to implement to to make 556 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: sure that you know that the parents feel safe sending 557 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: their kids over there, and to make sure that you know, 558 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: you get all the games and that you want. 559 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,959 Speaker 4: To Well, we're definitely gonna, you know, have our you know, 560 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 4: as far as our kids being careful, I mean, we're 561 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 4: definitely going to have our mask wearing, and hopefully by 562 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 4: the time we get to that point, maybe we have 563 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 4: some kids getting vaccinated. Because I know my kids now 564 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 4: are are are the age of twenty twenty one and 565 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 4: they play football, so I'm definitely looking for them to 566 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 4: get vaccinated. So hopefully when we get to that point, 567 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 4: maybe some kids are already vaccinated, but at the same time, 568 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 4: it's going to take steps to really take care of 569 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 4: these young kids and make sure that they're mask wearing, 570 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 4: you know, to keep their distance and and really look 571 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 4: out for them. 572 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: Just make sure we're up to speed on how exactly 573 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: to apply to this and how can people make sure 574 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: that they get all the info that they want. 575 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 3: About this league and. 576 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: You know, reserve their spots while you still have a 577 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: few spots available. 578 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 4: Well, I you know, they definitely need to go to 579 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 4: cbo T Tournaments dot Com and that's where they really 580 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 4: can get on the website and really find out more 581 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 4: information and where the kids can sign up and and 582 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 4: sign waivers and everything else. And I think, like I said, 583 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be an exciting league. It's got 584 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 4: first time doing it, so they're definitely gonna be some 585 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 4: glitchts we gotta definitely iron out. But at the end 586 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 4: of the day, I think that it's gonna be a 587 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 4: competitive league and and and I'm and I'm definitely waiting 588 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 4: for it. 589 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 3: Awesome, awesome. 590 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: Anything else hector that you wanted to get from c 591 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: J about the league or any of that. 592 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 5: No, not really I'm pretty good here. Just you know, 593 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 5: good luck with your inaugural season. And you know, we 594 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 5: Eli and I and everybody at Fish Stripes, you know, 595 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 5: wish you the best of luck during your first season. 596 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what, Fish Stripes, I'm definitely gonna 597 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 2: be following you guys. There we go. 598 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 3: You can find us everywhere. Man. 599 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: You can find us on on Instagram, on Twitter, all 600 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: on YouTube, on fish Stripes dot com. Our listeners know that, 601 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: and we appreciate everybody for subscribing. We appreciate the people 602 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: that send in the questions for CJ. And I mean, 603 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 1: as I was telling you before before we started recording, 604 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: you are. You're a star to these people. Even now 605 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: among Marlins fans, they still appreciate everything you did. We 606 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: had these special ceremonies every spring where we honor our 607 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: own Marlins Hall of Famers for guys that had a 608 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: unique contribution to the franchise. And you're the first catcher 609 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: that got in as a part of that Marlins. 610 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. 611 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 612 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: Wow, people know that you were here a while, that 613 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: you were great for a while, and that you were 614 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: most importantly a champion. So I just hope you know 615 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: that that everybody that your legacy still lives on, and honestly, 616 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: it's like a fine one. I think as we get 617 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: further away, people even appreciate it more. 618 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 4: I tell you what, I really appreciate that I've always enjoyed. 619 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 2: My time here. 620 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 4: I had a chance to come here at the universe 621 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 4: of Miami, and I think I gained a lot of 622 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 4: fans there because at that time was no Florida Marlins, 623 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 4: and so Miami Baseball was baseball here in South Florida. 624 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 4: And I think I've really gained a lot of fans 625 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 4: from playing there. 626 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 2: And so for me to have opportunity to be drafted 627 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 2: by the Marlins and. 628 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 4: And and play at pro player when it you know, 629 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 4: when it first got going in ninety four, when I 630 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 4: first came up, it was such a surreal experience because 631 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 4: I never thought that I would be a Florida Marlin 632 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 4: and let alone win a championship in ninety seven with 633 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 4: the Florida Marlins in my third year in the league. 634 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 2: And so. 635 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 4: I really appreciate all my fans that followed me all 636 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 4: the years. I've always felt the love and appreciation for it. 637 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 4: Every time I see people out there, they mentioned, oh yeah, 638 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 4: Charlie Johnson, you played in the ninety seventh World Series 639 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 4: or Charlie Johnson, I remember from University of Miami, and 640 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 4: so I definitely made home here in here in South Florida, 641 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 4: and I pretty much I will live nowhere else. 642 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: I enjoyed this place and the last thing before we 643 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: get you out here. I remember, of course, with the 644 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: twenty fifth anniversary celebration a couple of years ago. You 645 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: were big involved in that, and I know you continue 646 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: to be all over the place as an ambassador with 647 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: the team. When was the last time, though, that you 648 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: were able to actually attend a game in the ballpark 649 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: with the Marlins. We know that last year was kind 650 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: of off limits. When's the next time you think that 651 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: you're going to be able to make it out there 652 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: for a game and finally get to reunite with all 653 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: everybody once it's safe to do so. 654 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 4: I tell you, I hope what Definitely I went out 655 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 4: of Opening Day. I was there for Opening Day. 656 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 2: Oh perfect, Yeah, yeah, such a great time. 657 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 4: It was different with the little social distance with a 658 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 4: mask on, but at the same time, it was just 659 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 4: good to feel that Opening day feeling, just knowing how 660 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 4: that feels in opening Day, all the butterflies and just 661 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 4: the nervousness of it's a new season, not knowing what's 662 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 4: going to happen. Your average is zero and so everybody 663 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 4: is hitting a thousand. 664 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 2: And so you you. 665 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 4: Just don't know what's going to happen on opening Day. 666 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 4: And I know what that feels like. And so I 667 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 4: was so excited just to be there. And I'm hoping 668 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 4: to get out of some games pretty soon, like I say, 669 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 4: with me being in a basket or some of my 670 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 4: roles got cut back because of the COVID in a 671 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 4: lot will pick up more in. 672 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 2: The summer, from what I'm told, and so I can't 673 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 2: wait for it. 674 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, the team continues playing really solid ball, there's 675 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: gonna be that demand for it. There's gonna be all 676 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: these fans up and about and they're excited, and yeah, 677 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: they're dreaming. They're dreaming of a team that plays like 678 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: the ninety seventeen or the two thousand and three team, 679 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: And yeah, they can start smelling it a little bit 680 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: with the way that some of the stars have emerged 681 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: so far early on this season. But Charles Johnson, Marlin's great. 682 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: We appreciate you joining us around the pod Eli Susman 683 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: with Hector Rodriguez and guys, if you have anybody of 684 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: the right age to get involved in this wood Bad league. 685 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: The Charles Johnson Collegiate Summer League up in four piers. 686 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: First games get started in late June. Make sure you're 687 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: registering right now. We're gonna put all the information. We're 688 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: gonna make it easy. We're gonna put the info right 689 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: up there on our website so people could just click 690 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: straight to it and get all the details and just 691 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: see what a fun time and what an important time 692 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: this is gonna potentially be for, you know, young players 693 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: that are trying to take that next step in their development. 694 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 3: So thank you C. 695 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 2: Jake. 696 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: We appreciate you and we hope to have you back 697 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: in the future. 698 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 2: Yes, all right, Eli, Hector, thank you, guys. I appreciate you.