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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Steelers Nation, It's the Drive on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network. Hush you learn. Matt Williamson with you here

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Speaker 2: for the next two hours on your twenty four to

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Speaker 2: seven Home of the Black and Gold. Matt, it's all

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Speaker 2: coming together. We're we're we're doing all of our logistics

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Speaker 2: and all of our planning and our outlining for the

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Speaker 2: combine earlier today and trying to get Mike pursuita familiar

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Speaker 2: with all the craziness and what car are we taking.

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Speaker 3: And what time are we leaving and all that kind

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Speaker 3: of stuff.

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Speaker 2: It's getting real, partner.

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Speaker 3: I did a video with him and just came back

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Speaker 3: from the facility now, so, you know, so coaching them

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Speaker 3: up on He's like, well, how do you get guests.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, well, it's kind of roam around. Just grab him,

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Speaker 3: you know, you quite you know understand it completely. He's like, well,

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Speaker 3: who's at the podium and where's the podium and you.

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Speaker 2: Know, they haven't released podium times yet, but I'm I've

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Speaker 2: been waiting for that because obviously we want to try

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Speaker 2: and bring everybody some audio from from Indianapolis from all

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Speaker 2: the major prospects and the guys that will be discussing.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's if you've never done that radio row thing,

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Speaker 2: it is different.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like I guess yet to me now right.

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Speaker 2: You and I go to break and you know, someone

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Speaker 2: who's producing back here at the ranch, like Nathan or

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Speaker 2: Brian or Justin will be like you guys got five minutes,

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Speaker 2: and and you and I are like, all right, who

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Speaker 2: can we go over there and get Daniel Jeremiah? Hey

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Speaker 2: go last date. If he wants to do us.

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Speaker 3: Hey, go grab that guy.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like stalking your prey like the w W.

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Speaker 2: It's like the WWE wrestler who like lays low in

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Speaker 2: the corner and waiting for the guy to like groggy

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Speaker 2: like get on his feet.

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Speaker 3: When he's least expecting it.

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Speaker 2: But it's gonna be a lot of fun as we will,

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Speaker 2: uh you know, be out in Indianapolis next week and

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Speaker 2: it's all starting to come together, but we have still

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Speaker 2: got plenty to get to this week before we get there.

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Speaker 2: And Matt, you mentioned this yesterday and I want to

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Speaker 2: do this today. Just rolling through the NFL like we've

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Speaker 2: talked some specific cut candidates for the Steelers. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: we've talked cut candidates at wide receiver right right, as

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Speaker 2: it kind of relates to the Steelers. But I wanted

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Speaker 2: to zoom out and do the big picture just kind

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Speaker 2: of around the NFL cut candidates here on this Tuesday

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Speaker 2: as we're getting I mean, we've already seen the Dolphins

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Speaker 2: make some big.

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Speaker 3: Movies and Miami's kind of starting the ball roll.

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Speaker 2: And we're getting the housekeeping season.

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Speaker 3: Oh definitely league years starting soon, and these teams got

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Speaker 3: to extend some guys, make room, figure out all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: So this is the season for cap cuts for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yes it is.

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Speaker 3: That's a pre free free pre free agency thing. So

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Speaker 3: I've got is this the Athletic article, It's I've.

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Speaker 2: Got the Athletic and the NFL dot Com in front.

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Speaker 3: Of Okay, okay, and the Athletic did a nice job.

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Speaker 3: They each one of their beat writers picked one.

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Speaker 2: Dude, picked one from each.

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Speaker 3: Which makes me think they're likely. I mean, almost everyone

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Speaker 3: John new Smith. I think it's that's a foegone conclusion

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Speaker 2: And for Miami and Now, there's already been some some

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Speaker 2: shoes to drop, some balls to fall in this regard,

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Speaker 2: but to attack of Viola is still Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I just don't know what exactly they're going to do

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Speaker 3: with him, you know, like cause it's such a big

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Speaker 3: cap hit. There's been talked. Do you remember the brock

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Speaker 3: Ostweiler trade where they gave up Ostweiler and a two

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Speaker 3: for like a seven, Like, just get him out, We'll

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Speaker 3: pay you to take him out of here. I think

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Speaker 3: Miami could try to do that. That's their other option

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Speaker 3: because cutting them is just a massive cap hit.

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Speaker 2: If they were to cut him before June first, it

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Speaker 2: would result in a ninety nine million dollars dead money.

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Speaker 2: Now, if they trade him before then, the cap hit

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Speaker 3: But then the new team has to have a lot

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Speaker 3: of space to do it though. Yes, and that's why

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Speaker 3: you got to pay someone to take him, not that

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Speaker 3: he's a horrible player. Yes, there's not many teams you

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Speaker 2: His fifty four million dollars salary for twenty twenty six

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Speaker 3: That is a lead balloon, dude, And it's a brick.

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Speaker 2: It sure is. And so that I just think is

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Speaker 2: a matter of what they do with him.

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Speaker 3: I won't expect.

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Speaker 2: Them to cut him before June first, because ninety nine

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Speaker 3: But I mean they're in such tank mode because they

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Speaker 3: like this and the Tyreek situation that they may just

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Speaker 3: have to punt on the season with a new rookie

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Speaker 3: coach and be like, let's prepare first off, this is

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Speaker 3: something we'll talk about a lot, and you'll probably be

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Speaker 3: more doubt into it than me, But there's been talk,

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Speaker 3: and I trust me, I'm not the quarterback classes so

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Speaker 3: much better next year guy.

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't it feel like we say that almost out.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah we do. But it's definitely gonna be better

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Speaker 2: I would be shocked if it was right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's Mendoza and then maybe another first round

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Speaker 3: or if Simpson gets, you know, moves along. I've heard

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Speaker 3: people have trust saying there's ten to twelve names that

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Speaker 3: could be in first round consideration, somewhere between first overall

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Speaker 3: quarterback class. I mean, it's that many, and you could

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Speaker 3: probably even spit the names off better than me. But

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of these teams, and maybe the

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Speaker 3: there's eight, because okay, if we could come up with

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Speaker 3: ten names, now, say saying in all these you.

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Speaker 2: Know, saying Arch Chamberliss if he's back, I'm gonna assume

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Morgan, South Carolina, South Carolina, Leonora Sellers. That's five.

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Speaker 3: People love the Cincinnati kid that's just transferred Ohio State.

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Speaker 2: I said, say, Sam Levitt, who I mentioned yesterday, would

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Speaker 3: Oklahoma's dude John mattiir Yes, eight. I think there's more

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Speaker 3: that there's ten names we come up with. Now that

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Speaker 2: That we're not talking about that jumps into the conversation.

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Speaker 3: So if it ends up being like seven or eight.

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Speaker 3: It might be the first time in NFL history where

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Speaker 3: the supply is greater than the demand. So my point is,

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Speaker 3: if you're the Dolphins, maybe the Steelers, you just kind

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Speaker 3: of count on that, you know, like, I'm gonna get

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Speaker 3: my quarterback next year, and I know.

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Speaker 2: It Josh Hoover out of Indiana. Yeah, I mean it's

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Speaker 2: certainly now. We were saying this this time last year.

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Speaker 3: USC and UCLA too.

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Speaker 2: Oh Jada Miava, Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I'm interested in Jada Miava.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's not that hard to get those doesn't

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Speaker 2: But you'll have one or two that we haven't even

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Speaker 2: and be a possibility. Don't talking about Pie Simpson this

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Speaker 3: Year, course of course. Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a very very interesting proposition. And I think

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Speaker 2: one that the Steelers are weighing heavily is they kind

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Speaker 3: Than everybody realizes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for the Raiders, so that that's the that's two

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Speaker 2: for the Dolphins, pretty simple.

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Speaker 3: The right thing is gonna get done with him.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how it would be shocked if they

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Speaker 2: just run it back with him. Yeah, for the Raiders,

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Speaker 2: NFL dot Com list Geno Smith, the Athletic lists guard

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Speaker 3: Okay, good, this is gonna be a beef segment we

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Speaker 3: have to make. But that's what I was thinking, you're

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Speaker 3: gonna like this. I'm not sold to Gino's shot in stinks.

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Speaker 3: That was such a bad environment. And even the other

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Speaker 3: backups have played, Kenny was one of them. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 3: just as horrific. I think it was an unwinnable situation

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Speaker 3: with not only a poor, you know, poor talent on

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Speaker 3: the offensive line, but remarkably poor, poorly coached Gino. I

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Speaker 3: might suggesting him for the Steelers, but I bet he's

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Speaker 3: better next year, no matter where he's at, than he

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Speaker 3: was last year. I'll just leave at that, because two

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Speaker 3: years ago he was prett darn good.

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Speaker 2: Yes, going into last year, a lot of the people

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Speaker 2: who do the quarterback tiers and Sando and all these,

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Speaker 2: I mean some people had him as high as eight nine, ten, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but he wasn't much lower than fourteen, thirteen, fourteen, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean I agree with you that I think he

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Speaker 2: will be better in twenty six than he was in

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Speaker 2: twenty five. Now, that's not a very high bar to clear.

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Speaker 2: He better be.

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Speaker 3: Or he won't be in the league.

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Speaker 2: But he's He's an interesting one to me, and I

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Speaker 2: am as much as I love Gino and he was

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Speaker 2: my college quarterback and all that, I wouldn't be pounding

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Speaker 2: that if Aaron Rodgers announces tomorrow that he retires, I

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Speaker 3: Like, let's go get Gino. Why not?

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Speaker 2: I know, but I certainly think you could do worse.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he ends up on, he won't go the Jets,

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Speaker 3: but if he goes and competes with Carthy exactly.

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Speaker 2: If I'm somebody like that and I'm trying to bring

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Speaker 2: in a veteran to push an unproven young guy Minnesol, Minnesota, Atlanta,

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Speaker 2: one of those, then I would be interested in Geno. Sure,

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Speaker 2: and it's probably not gonna cost much to get them right.

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Speaker 3: I'm just trying. I mean, I'm just not gonna leave

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Speaker 3: any quarterback stone unturned from a Steeler perspective or just

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Speaker 3: in a league perspective, especially this year and this time

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Speaker 3: last year, we were not considering Rogers. No, and that

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Speaker 3: name was not Dale and I were not sitting here chatting.

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Speaker 3: But what about Rogers's you know, was not part of

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Speaker 2: It's a very fluid situation when you have these these

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Speaker 2: cut and free agency conversations. Titans here with a couple

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Speaker 2: listed Tony Pollard, the running back Lugerius Sneid, the cornerback

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Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley as well, as we've discussed.

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Speaker 3: All are very possible. The wrench with them is they

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Speaker 3: have the most cap space, they want to league, they

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Speaker 3: don't have to do it, but all three of them,

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Speaker 3: especially Ridley and Steed at this stage, aren't worth the money.

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Speaker 2: And so that's kind of the question is do you

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Speaker 2: mind overpaying a little bit because you have the space

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Speaker 2: Would you take Pittman over Piers for the Steelers specifically.

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Speaker 2: YEA right, last one for the AFC here will take

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Speaker 1: About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 2: Notable cut candidates around the AFC and the NFC.

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Speaker 3: That is our our number one topic.

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Speaker 2: Dajour here, Yeah, Williamson and as we jump into the NFC,

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Speaker 2: I don't think this will surprise anybody. Everywhere you look

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Speaker 2: NFL Network, the athletic Kirk Cousins listed for the Atlanta Falcons.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they just restructured his deal. He's gonna get cut.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure there is an example of that happening

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Speaker 3: We love you, but we gotta cut you, and then

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Speaker 2: You know, I in my dorkiness, I remember you remember

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Speaker 3: Nine or ninety nine point nine percent of the time

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Speaker 2: And maybe if you're Kirk Cousins, that's where you want

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Speaker 2: and you're like, honestly, I don't know much about this guy.

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00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:33,879
Speaker 3: Like even even Matt has.

438
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 2: To throw up his hands and be like, gonna Wikipedia

439
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:37,600
Speaker 2: scout this guy for you.

440
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,600
Speaker 3: For But when I was at ESPN, before I was

441
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 3: like full time SNR, I did not do SNR draft

442
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 3: coverage start to finish. Okay, So at the fifty point

443
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,919
Speaker 3: of every hour my phone rang at home and you

444
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,159
Speaker 3: have told me that much, Okay, So for it one

445
00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:00,240
Speaker 3: fifty three fifty every time my phone rings, what thing

446
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 3: happened in the last hour? You know, talk for like

447
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,120
Speaker 3: eight minutes before Brank with who I'm trying to think?

448
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 3: This was a wow. I mean, I guest, well, it

449
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 3: would always be different. He was todd back then. I

450
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:17,879
Speaker 3: maybe probably. And I remember when the Steelers took Willie

451
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 3: Gay and they took him at like two forty nine,

452
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 3: right before and my phone rang and he was the

453
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 3: first player in the entire draft. I didn't know. And

454
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 3: he goes to the Steelers and he goes one minute

455
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 3: before I'm on the air, and worst case scenario, worst

456
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 3: case scenario, it's a perfect storm, and whoever's on the

457
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,120
Speaker 3: other end had no clue who he was. Either they're

458
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 3: counting on me. So I'm like, well, he's a fifth

459
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 3: round pick out of Louisville, you know. I mean, I

460
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 3: didn't make anything up, but I'm like, probably gonna start

461
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 3: a special team or what about that fourth round pick?

462
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, topic right, right, Oh, that's funny.

463
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 3: That's a good story.

464
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 2: It worked out all right for Willy Gay.

465
00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

466
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 2: Minnesota Vikings Aaron Jones, the running back and formerly of

467
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 2: this Parish defensive tackle Javon Hargrave.

468
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 3: I think Hardgrave's gone. I mean, he signed a pretty

469
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 3: substantial deal.

470
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 2: He's thirty three.

471
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 3: Thirty three came out old that happened quick? Could you

472
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 3: get him in Pittsburgh on a one year deal at

473
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 3: like four million? I wouldn't hate it, Yeah, I mean

474
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 3: I can understand it. I mean he's not the player

475
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 3: that left here or the Eagles version by any stretch,

476
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,919
Speaker 3: but he flashes. Maybe eat some innings for you, yeah, right,

477
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 3: right right? I mean, move Benton to the end and

478
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 3: see where you're at there. You know, it'd be probably

479
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 3: an after the draft move.

480
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,880
Speaker 2: A lot of running backs on these lists usually, which

481
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 2: doesn't surprise anybody, and we've already named the.

482
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 3: Troubles Connors one that kind of interests me though.

483
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 2: He's listed by both NFL Network and the Athletic for

484
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals.

485
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:47,199
Speaker 3: Remember they they drafted Benson recently in their timeline. An

486
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 3: older running back really doesn't do Arizona any good. I

487
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 3: mean they have to be in a massive youth movement

488
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 3: coming off an injury, folks. He wasn't injured in Arizona

489
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 3: nearly as much as he was with the Steelers. Everyone

490
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 3: just thinks, so, oh, he's injury prone, you can't count on. Yeah,

491
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 3: he's coming off an injury and he's older. But I

492
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 3: wouldn't mind the running back room. Not to exactly mimic

493
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 3: the nausey days, but I don't want Warren to be

494
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 3: my biggest physical list most you know, back, I'd like

495
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,719
Speaker 3: somebody has more of a hammer and Connor getting thirty

496
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 3: percent of the carries. Okay, you know even if you

497
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 3: had gain will you know he's from a here you

498
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 3: went to Pitt. I didn't know that he had cancer.

499
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 3: What Yeah, never heard that story before another draft day story.

500
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 2: He's been an incredible story. James Connor is still in

501
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 2: the league at thirty one.

502
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 3: It was like right after the Steelers pick Connor and

503
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 3: you know where we set up at the facility. It

504
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 3: was like, I don't know, twenty minutes after or whatever,

505
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 3: and coach Tomlin walks past and I forget one one

506
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 3: of the beat reporters who I didn't know, and frankly

507
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 3: was very good their job at the time. Coach, you know,

508
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 3: just take him from me, from Pitt and cancer and

509
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 3: all that story, and Toman like bit his head off,

510
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 3: like you think we're in drafts from the third round

511
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 3: because there because their next door and they're good story

512
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 3: and give him the ball twenty times a game. Really,

513
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 3: that's what we're gonna's a good story. It's a good story. Yeah, No,

514
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 3: that's not why we picked them.

515
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 2: If anybody wants to draft me because it's a good story,

516
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 2: you're right right. In the third round, the San Francisco

517
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 2: forty nine ers select radio host from Pittsburgh.

518
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that'd be a good story. A good story.

519
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 2: Uh. Speaking of the San Francisco forty nine ers, few

520
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 2: listed here for them, edge rusher Bryce Huff and then

521
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: two wide receivers, DeMarcus Robinson and of course Brandon and

522
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 2: I You.

523
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could get cut traded. Who knows. He's not

524
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 3: going to be a Niner. The other two are very

525
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 3: likely gone too. They're gonna be shuffling their team around

526
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 3: a lot more than you think.

527
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 2: One more name for Atlanta that I wanted to run

528
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 2: by you I forgot Darnel Mooney, wide receiver.

529
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't move the needle for me.

530
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 2: He was really good in twenty four, kind of fell

531
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 2: off a cliff last year. Yeah, if he becomes free agent,

532
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 2: you'd have you wouldn't no interest in kicking the tires.

533
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 3: It'd be a blow. I'd like my number three to

534
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 3: be better than him. Okay, I think he's like at

535
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 3: the Austin level. Gotcha, you know what I mean? Gotcha?

536
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 2: Igo Bears dub Bears. Two different guys, actually a trio

537
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: of Bears listed here, Cole come at the tight end,

538
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 2: Jalen Johnson the corner, and Tremaine Edmunds the linebacker.

539
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some big name dude. Those are some big

540
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 3: name dudes. Lovelin is far surpassed comet. That's I get

541
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 3: that a fifty to fifty. I think Edmonds probably goes

542
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 3: because it saves them close to twenty million.

543
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,479
Speaker 2: He's a good player, but he's a good play He's

544
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 2: making great money.

545
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 3: That's the thing is he's a twelve million dollar player

546
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 3: player making twenty or whatever.

547
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 2: He's a B plus student making valedictorian money.

548
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 3: And they they're very cash strapped. I think that's the

549
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 3: only reason to bring up Johnson too, because he's kind

550
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 3: of like sneid Is. When they paid him, he was

551
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 3: one of the best corner coming off one of the

552
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 3: best corners seasons in the league. Corners a really volatile

553
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 3: position year to year. I don't have a Pierre conversation

554
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 3: with you at some point too, just along those line,

555
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 3: but I think Johnson comes back. I mean, last we

556
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 3: saw him fully healthy year, he was quite good, and

557
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 3: the Bears are looking to compete, and that's the thing.

558
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 2: You gotta be careful with that too, right, right, don't

559
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 2: get don't get caught with too many seats to fill.

560
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't just be creating needs left and right

561
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 3: on a defense it already has needs.

562
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 2: Speaking of cornerbacks, the Washington Commanders, Marshawn Lattimore the popular

563
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 2: name on all these lists.

564
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 3: I people remember when they traded with the Saints, and

565
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, it's an aggressive move. When now which

566
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 3: Washington overshot their whole off season that way. Sure, he's

567
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 3: been terrible for them, though, I mean he might be

568
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 3: done done.

569
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 2: He to your point, Corners, it is such a year

570
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 2: to year. I mean, at one point he was fantastic

571
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 2: and then quickly some injuries and stage and you lose

572
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 2: a step and.

573
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 3: It's yeah, the cliff happens fast in that position. Sought

574
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 3: to slay this year man slay Peterson, Right, Yeah, I

575
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 3: don't want the Steelers to go down that road again,

576
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: especially for someone outside the organization.

577
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 2: Speaking of corners, uh the popular name for the Philadelphia

578
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: Eagles on all these lists, Michael Carter the second.

579
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just kind of got surpassed by Dejeene is

580
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 3: the Michael Carter's best as a slot. Degene is a

581
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 3: killer slot, but he's the bigger, better version. So Carter

582
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 3: can save you a little bit of money.

583
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 2: It makes sense. Yeah, Yeah, they they've They've got a

584
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 2: lot of mouse to defeed on that defense as well.

585
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's not playing enough snaps.

586
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: I don't think interesting from one here, Matt for the

587
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys. The athletic has Malik Hooker Newcastle zone from

588
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: right up, from right. One of the best high school

589
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 2: athletes I've ever seen. It was unbelievable. I called there.

590
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 3: This was back like a great basketball player too or something.

591
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was back when young Wesley was still trying

592
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: to get a full time broadcasting job. So I was

593
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: doing a million different freelance gigs and working at my

594
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: buddies family restaurant, and you know, doing doing doing a

595
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 2: million different jobs. And I was calling high school basketball

596
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: games at the time. They sent me to Hershey for

597
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: the state championships and Newcastle it was like the culmination

598
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: of it. They finished the year like thirty eight no

599
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: and his state champions and they were up maybe six

600
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: points with thirty seconds left in the state championship game

601
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 2: something like that.

602
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 3: Was he their star? Yes, he was.

603
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 2: He was their football star and their basketball star. And

604
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 2: I think they had another kid who went and played basketball,

605
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: like a good school. Yeah, but he obviously was going

606
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: to Ohio State to play football.

607
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 3: He was like a four or five star. Oh my gosh, Yes,

608
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 3: in both sports.

609
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: Okay, He's one of those guys like if he would

610
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: have been coming up in the eighties or nineties, would

611
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 2: have probably played both sports, you know, football and basketball.

612
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: They're up like they're in the driver's seat, but they're

613
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: still like thirty seconds, they're up six, there's still a

614
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: chance for the other team. Malie Cooker steals the ball,

615
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: goes down in dunks and like the entire city of

616
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: Newcastle was at the Giant Center in Hershey, and the

617
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: place just exploded like one of the loudest I ever heard.

618
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: He steals the ball, dunks it with like twenty seconds

619
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: left to put them up eight and steal the deal.

620
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,959
Speaker 2: And the place was a madhouse. So Malie Cooker at

621
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: safety Ken Clark listed here.

622
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: I think that was kind of a one year rentals. Yeah,

623
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 3: he's still a good player. He's another one, like we

624
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 3: mentioned hard Grave, if you want to sign him to

625
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 3: a one year deal. If you're just looking for a big,

626
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 3: veteran nose ish run stuffer type, I mean, I prefer

627
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 3: to go to the draft for that guy. But some

628
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 3: of those dudes have an old man game where they

629
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 3: can just play for a while at that position. Hooker

630
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 3: is probably you'll know he's been around the league now.

631
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 3: But if you're not interested in Pepper's.

632
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 2: Clark or Dugger, that's the type.

633
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: He'd be a decent third, you know. And he's more

634
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 3: free than those guys, are more strong and freeze a

635
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 3: little harder to find.

636
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: He was when he first came into the league and

637
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 2: was healthy, he was a lot of fun to watch.

638
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was like.

639
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: Some Bob Sanders parallels with him, and maybe just because

640
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: they were both cults, but like, yeah, undersized safeties who

641
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: at one point were very good but just got beat up.

642
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's pretty beat up over the years too.

643
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 3: Green Bay's definitely a one year deal if you were

644
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: to bring a man. Yeah.

645
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: Green Bay Packers Elchin Jenkins the center and Rashaun Gary

646
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: edge rusher.

647
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 3: Those are two of their best players. I mean, Gary

648
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 3: signed a massive deal when he came off a huge year,

649
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 3: and then they traded for Parsons, So it's like, can

650
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 3: I really have that much invested in my two edge dudes?

651
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 3: So he's going to be sought after in some capacity.

652
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 3: He's just inconsistent. I'm not sure why they'd move on

653
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 3: from Jenkins. I think he's thirty ish. He's played almost

654
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 3: every position for them. He's best at guard. He had

655
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 3: to play some center this year. But if Ciamalu isn't back,

656
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 3: and I would imagine he intersected with the line coach

657
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 3: for the Steelers new line coach in Green Bay. He's

658
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 3: been there a long time. Maybe he's a starting left

659
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 3: guard for I'd like to have one veteran in the

660
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: in the offensive line. I agree, you know, the old man,

661
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 3: the big brother.

662
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: I think every position group needs that, and especially when

663
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: you consider just the overall youth of that offensive line.

664
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Speaker 3: Yeah, right now, that's that's kind of why I'm interested

665
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 3: in bringing back Isaac. But Jenkins is probably better. He

666
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 3: definitely aways on his best day.

667
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: Detroit Lions center Graham Glasgow.

668
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's played guard too, but.

669
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Speaker 2: They've had they've had so I mean I know he's

670
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: thirty four.

671
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that ship probably sailed.

672
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: They've had so much movement on that line. I know

673
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: I'd be looking for some stability. But yeah, they got

674
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: to turn that into a strength again like it was

675
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: for them for a long time.

676
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 3: The rag Now retirement and stuff hurt them.

677
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it certainly did. Uh. Okay two that I

678
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 2: two that I kind of missed here actually couple. Yeah, No,

679
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: New York Giants Bobby okerike linebacker. He's another one who

680
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 2: was so good at his career.

681
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: I'd probably rather have Queen the only way you consider him,

682
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 3: or like Edmonds with the Bears, as if you were

683
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 3: to happen to cut Queen and then just say, we'll

684
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 3: go test the what Mott waters and get a friendlier

685
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: deal for someone who's probably on the same tier.

686
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks defending Super Bowl champions linebacker Uchenna Nwosu say

687
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: the team eleven and a half million if released, just

688
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: turned twenty nine in December.

689
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 3: Good player, he's a rotational edge dude. If they were

690
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 3: to just use that money to keep some of their

691
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 3: own instead, I would understand that, you know, boy him

692
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 3: off a somebody like that. Oh yeah, so maybe that's

693
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 3: the move they make. We're gonna stay a little younger,

694
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 3: keep our own, so we're gonna have to trim something

695
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 3: we already have.

696
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 2: I think this is the last one. I missed this

697
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: on the AFC side, the New England Patriots another center,

698
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: Garrett Bradberry.

699
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

700
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 3: I looked at him as like a one year rental

701
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 3: because the Wilson kids probably better at center. Okay, the rookie.

702
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: To move him into center to kind of stabilize him,

703
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: and then you go from there.

704
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 3: They've already said they're not gonna move Will camp to guard,

705
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 3: but I thought if they did, Campbell could go to

706
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 3: left guard. Will soon would go to center, and then

707
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 3: you find a left tackle. But that's that's a hard

708
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 3: thing to find, right.

709
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: It's much easier to find guards. Yeah, that'll be interesting.

710
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't I feel like they almost have

711
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: to give Will Campbell another year at tackle. I would

712
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: assume it's just a top five pick. Yeah, as much

713
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: as you I, I think most people weren't a fan

714
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: of him that high in the draft last year. He

715
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: is still just a rookie, Like you need to give

716
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: him a chance to take a second year step forward.

717
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 3: Yes, I also think it's noteworthy that that rookie had

718
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 3: to play presumably three preseason games. I assume they didn't

719
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 3: rest them at all in the preseason, seventeen regular season

720
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,479
Speaker 3: games and then the entire stretch and got worse as

721
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 3: the season went on. I mean, has he ever played

722
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 3: twenty two games in a row before? Probably not. You're

723
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: asking a lot. He probably hit a rookie wall two

724
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 3: months ago.

725
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you know, I love to tell that

726
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: Heath Miller story. Yeah, his rookie season. And remember that's

727
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: one less regular season game too, his rookie year. Now

728
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: an additional preseason game that he probably had a pretty

729
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 2: heavy lift in as a as a rookie. But yeah,

730
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 2: Heith Miller. The Steelers win the super Bowl his rookie season.

731
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: That Super Bowl forty the Jerome Bettis Detroit, you know,

732
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks super Bowl. At the parade, My mom and

733
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: I are there in the stage and everyone's going nuts.

734
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: And Troy paulam All whose crowdsurfing a few feet over

735
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: from us, they're interviewing. You know, I forget who it was,

736
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: but Rob King or Bob Pompiani type, you know, is

737
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 2: up on standing. Might have been staying Savereign or Billy

738
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: Hillgrove or somebody like that.

739
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 3: Then they're just.

740
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: Interviewing all the players and everything, and they get Heath

741
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 2: Miller up and everyone, Heath, you won.

742
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 3: The Super Bowl your rookie season. How does this feel?

743
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 3: And he goes tired.

744
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that rookie wall man.

745
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 3: He was coming off an injuries draft prospect. The only

746
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 3: reason he fell to where he was. I remember Dale

747
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 3: even interviewed I think it was McCormick right after rookie season.

748
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 3: He's like, Oh, it took a lot more out of me.

749
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, especially where he came from. They

750
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 3: probably played twelve games at most the playoffs.

751
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's a year for those guys that

752
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 2: never slows down from their season to the bowl games,

753
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 2: combine Pro days, draft, all that stuff. Yeah, and so yeah,

754
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: Will Campbell listened. Well, we're not very high on him.

755
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: I think we agree he deserves at least another opportunity.

756
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 3: I would assume he's their left to show his best.

757
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: Now. Is he still their left tackle in Week ten?

758
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 2: That's a different conversation, But I think you have to

759
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 2: at least start them there and give him that opportunity.

760
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 2: At the beginning of the year. Let's get to our

761
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 2: last break here of the first hour. When we return,

762
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 2: I want to talk with Matt about some underrated draft

763
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 2: prospects as we continue to kind of bob and weave

764
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Speaker 2: between daily draft conversation, Wells, Sholer, Matt Williamson, It's the Drive,

765
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Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio, Steelers Audio.

766
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Speaker 1: Network, your tums about drive on your twenty four to

767
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Speaker 1: seven home of the Black and Goal. Steelers Nation Radio.

768
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 2: Closing down the first hour of the drive here and Matt,

769
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: we've done this a few times. Can we Aaron Rodgers

770
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, assess the situation and we're gonna call

771
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: an audible.

772
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got different defense. We expect the cover towo.

773
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 3: You know, we expect the cover too.

774
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Speaker 2: We got cover three and so in the next hour

775
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: we'll have that underrated draft prospects conversation. But I wanted

776
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 2: to piggyback off of here. You said we got to

777
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 2: have a James Pierre conversation at some point. We talked

778
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: a lot about cornerbacks and value and age in the

779
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: previous in the previous two segments, so let's do it now.

780
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Jay. Let's talk about James Pierre real quick,

781
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: just for everybody. He is twenty nine years old. He

782
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 2: will turn thirty in September, so about week two he

783
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: would turn thirty this year. He was born in September sixteenth,

784
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six.

785
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,479
Speaker 3: So anyone who listens to the show has probably heard

786
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 3: me say eight times he's my priority free agent. Yeah,

787
00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: he's the guy I want to talk to right now

788
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 3: now before free agency opens. I really like how he played.

789
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 3: I respect his special Teams background, I respect his path.

790
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 3: There's all kinds of familiarity with him. The series have

791
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 3: even cut him at times, you know, I mean crazy,

792
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 3: but he touched on it. And I should have probably

793
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 3: been on top of this more than I was. But

794
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 3: if you're totally impartial, if you would just look at

795
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 3: the Pierre situation based off data. I'm not talking about

796
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 3: like coverage data. I'm just talking about signings of the past.

797
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 3: He has two really big red flags in that it's

798
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 3: the most of all little position in the league. You know,

799
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 3: like the best ones are great year after year, but

800
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 3: that's like certain in reviss I mean like you can

801
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 3: count on them being great.

802
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: And when you say volatile, Just for the audience at home,

803
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 2: you mean every year is a different story.

804
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

805
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like this guy was great last year.

806
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: That means he's gonna be. You could project with quarterbacks

807
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: and offsive linemen and some other pastitions at a little

808
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: bit better than you can corners, maybe like running back

809
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: in that regard, it can be peaks and valleys back.

810
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 3: In two examples in that cut conversation, Sneid with now

811
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 3: the Titans and Johnson with the Bears. The year they

812
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 3: they signed those the deals that they might be getting

813
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 3: cut from. They're coming off a top three or four cornerback.

814
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: Season easily in the conversation for best corner in the league.

815
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 3: Yes, and neither was a top five pick or Sauce

816
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 3: Gardner before that year. You know, they were respectable, but

817
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 3: they weren't that level. And they had won really really

818
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 3: good year, and that's not uncommon. And I fear that

819
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 3: Pierre is like the perfect example of that. I mean,

820
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 3: he had a really good year, but chances are it's

821
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 3: the best year of his career when you look back

822
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 3: on it. I mean, which is okay. I mean if

823
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 3: still if you get a facsimile of last year, you're

824
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 3: still very interested. But history shows especially guys that don't

825
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 3: have like top ten draft pick pedigree one year stands

826
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 3: out unlike the rest. Don't bite on the low hanging fruit.

827
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 3: And what you mentioned. I thought he was like twenty

828
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 3: seven to twenty eight. Well, he didn't come out of

829
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 3: school early. He's bounced around, don't bounced on the league.

830
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 3: But he's been a special teamer for longer than I thought.

831
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 3: Thirty's the magic number of cliffs for these guys. He's

832
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 3: not an elite athlete, you know, so he has less

833
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 3: room for error athletically. It's a good way to put it,

834
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Because even if you're the

835
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 3: smartest of corners, it's a reactionary position and the Adam

836
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 3: feelings of the world can drift away slow at wide

837
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 3: receiver because they know the route beforehand, where the corners can't,

838
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, it's you have to have enough

839
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 3: spring and burst in your legs to ride the ride.

840
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 3: I would just say, like, if I was totally impartial,

841
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 3: which I'm not, that he has two really big red

842
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 3: flags in terms of investing in him because the position

843
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 3: he plays, being a one hit wonder at his age.

844
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 3: So I'm not saying he's still not my priority because

845
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 3: I really liked how he played and I respect his game,

846
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 3: and he has a toughness and he's a competitiveness and

847
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 3: it's not like he's an unwilling tackler or anything like

848
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: that or efforts a problem. But they are two pretty

849
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 3: big red flags in terms of you're going to give

850
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 3: this guy starter corner money over a two year deal

851
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 3: and a chunk of it being guarantee guaranteed, right. I

852
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 3: really wanted to not need a number two corner going

853
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 3: into the draft.

854
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: That's that biggest in this conversation.

855
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 3: And Samuel's still in this conversation too, so he only

856
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 3: signed one of them. I'm still drafting one like in

857
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 3: the third round. Yes, I think you probably draft on

858
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 3: no matter what. But this is a conversation if it

859
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 3: a fifth rounder or your first pick the third round

860
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 3: or you know.

861
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 2: Now to reference what you said about, I mean, this

862
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: very easily could have been the best year of his career.

863
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, chances are it is if you're as impartial as

864
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 3: he can be.

865
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: You know, I just this is just a reference point.

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00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.

867
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Speaker 2: I think everyone knows this, like you and I were not.

868
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 2: You know, I feel like every time you bring up

869
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: Pro Football Focus. You always get a bunch of people

870
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: commenting and saying, who gives a crab, It's just another

871
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: reference point.

872
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay.

873
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 2: They had him ranked as the second highest defensive back

874
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: in the NFL last year all the tricks, right behind

875
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: Devin Witherspoon of the Seattle Seahawks.

876
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 3: And if you watch his tape, he was really good,

877
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 3: you know, like that's he wasn't the second best corner

878
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 3: walking the planet, but he was a really good player.

879
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: Two things that I think are very important in this equation. One,

880
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: he did play a heck of a lot less snaps

881
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 2: than most of the people at the top of these

882
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: these Yeah, Like, for example, he played he played four

883
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 2: hundred and eight defensive snaps, two hundred and fifty five

884
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 2: in coverage. Witherspoon from sapyeh withtherpoon Spoon from Seattle nine

885
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 2: hundred and two snaps, five hundred and sixty nine in coverage.

886
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 3: I bet Porter played around one thousand.

887
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, he sure did. Cooper dejen over a thousand. Who's

888
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: up on this list? Kamari Lassiter from Houston over one thousand,

889
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 2: Quinnon Mitchell over one thousand, Mike Jackson from the Carolina

890
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: Panthers who was high on this list over a thousand,

891
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: So it's a much smaller sample size last year than

892
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 2: the majority of the other people with the grades that

893
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: he has, which and doing it over four hundred snaps

894
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 2: versus a thousand snaps is a is a different story, That's.

895
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: What I mean, Like, yes, it's it. Your point's great

896
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 3: because it's it's a smaller sample size than the others

897
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 3: that he was graded against. And would you've done it

898
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 3: for eighteen games, you know, as the starter, and you're

899
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 3: gonna have to pay him that way, which he deserves.

900
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 3: I mean, if I'm his agent, I got a lot

901
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 3: to go off of too.

902
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: You know, that was my last thing to bring into

903
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: the conversation. He James Pierre will be entering his seventh

904
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: year in the NFL, So six seasons in the league.

905
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 2: His career earnings are five points.

906
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 3: Right, I mean he's undrafted And.

907
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: Now a lot of people will laugh at that at home.

908
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: What do you mean nothing? Five point eight million dollars

909
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: is nothing enough.

910
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 3: For an NFL guy that's played seven years.

911
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 2: He has so over his career, on average, has made

912
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: under a million bucks a year.

913
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 3: And remember, like.

914
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 2: That's he's getting taxed at an insane rate, like you know,

915
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 2: like oh yeah, yeah, thats.

916
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 3: Different fees than all of us folks. By the way, yes, again,

917
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 3: he makes more money than me and you and most

918
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 3: people listening. Course, so if you look at that's not

919
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 3: the point.

920
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 2: His take home pay in his six year NFL career

921
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 2: is probably a little over three million bucks.

922
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and hey, great for all of us, that sounds great.

923
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 3: I'd love to make three million bucks ever six years.

924
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: But for him is his last shot.

925
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 3: He's never got a signing bonus at all, basically of

926
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 3: a you know again, he's just happy to put pen

927
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 3: to paper some of those years.

928
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: Right, and and that is a different mindset. I've got

929
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 2: to capitalize on this opportunity.

930
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 3: And I should it. So the last time, I should not.

931
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: Take a dollar less than he can get, right.

932
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe he's in love with the Steelers. He

933
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 3: doesn't want to move all that stuff. It takes ninety

934
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 3: cents on the dollar. Fine, But James, this is your

935
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 3: last chance to make decent money. Yeah.

936
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: And it's one thing if it's your last chance to

937
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: make decent money when you've already made some decent money

938
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: in your career, but when you haven't that that bite

939
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: of the apple looks pretty juicy.

940
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 3: And again I hope I'm wrong, and I hope they

941
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 3: sign him and he's as good as he was this year.

942
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 3: But he's the perfect example of signs a two year

943
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 3: deal with the New York Giants and then one year

944
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 3: from now we're like cap casualty James Pierre because he

945
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 3: was okay, but he was not a twelve million dollar guy.

946
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 3: He's a six million dollar guy, you know.

947
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: And if you're a team with a bunch of cap space,

948
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 2: that's probably a fair taste risk to take.

949
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I love this tape. Maybe the light went on,

950
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 3: But this is also a different coaching staff, and it'd

951
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 3: be more things are different things are asked of them.

952
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 3: You know.

953
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: It's a very interesting conversation, one that I'm sure we

954
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 2: will revisit here, yeah, before too much longer.

955
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 3: And I'm sure Omar's on top of this. I mean,

956
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 3: he's a cap guy and understands all those things and

957
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 3: right right, absolutely, So maybe they choose Samuel over him.

958
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 3: I think he's only twenty seven, but there's a lot

959
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 3: less to go off with him. You think four hundred

960
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 3: snaps is a lot.

961
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 2: I think his is like two hundred yeah hour in

962
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 2: the Book's another hour to go. In hour number two,

963
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: I want to talk off season resources with Matt Williamson.

964
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 2: How do the thirty two teams stack up, How do

965
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: the Steelers fare in terms of draft capital and salary

966
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 2: cap space.

967
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 3: And all those things.

968
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: And we will have that underrated draft prospects conversation that

969
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 2: we teased in the first hour. All of that and

970
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 2: more as we roll along in hour number two, including

971
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Speaker 2: your tweets. You know where to get at us if

972
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 2: you want to get involved. Halfway home on the drive,

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Speaker 2: Euler Williamson, Steelers Audio Network