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Speaker 3: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly, he

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Speaker 3: is the Matt Williamson and it is a lovely Friday

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Speaker 3: here in Pittsburgh. The Steelers getting ready to play their

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Speaker 3: final preseason game of the twenty twenty four preseason. That'll

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Speaker 3: be tomorrow in Detroit on Saturday, one o'clock start for

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Speaker 3: that one. So it's kind of a drive run on

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Speaker 3: a Sunday too for the Steelers, a little bit for.

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Speaker 1: Us that host the postgame show. Pretty happy about it.

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Speaker 1: Not a night game too, get home around eight instead

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all about That's probably why they did that.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure how can we make this easier on the

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Speaker 3: guys who are doing the postgame show? So this game,

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Speaker 3: Matt looking at Mike Tomlin, plans to play his regulars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but he also wants to see a lot

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Speaker 4: What do you want to see? Who do you who

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Speaker 3: Getting one last look at here, or who do you

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Speaker 3: want to see perform better?

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Speaker 1: Let's start with I'd like to see continuity and pass

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Speaker 1: everyone in the right spot doing their jobs for a

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Speaker 1: series or two. I certainly want to see Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1: doing professional quarterback stuff. I don't know how much nause

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Speaker 1: call quarter all Patterson the number one back to some degree.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to see him get six, seven, eight carries

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Speaker 1: in a traditional fashion, just because we haven't seen much

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Speaker 1: wide receiver two or three stepping up and have some

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Speaker 1: some success. I mean, there's a couple of things on

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Speaker 1: offense I want to look for, not scheme, you know,

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Speaker 1: thirteen personnel package with you know, play action and jet motion. No,

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Speaker 1: they're not going to show you that stuff, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that stuff comes week one. So I just

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Speaker 1: want to see execution doing your jobs, continuity and success.

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Speaker 1: I don't need three touchdown drives open at things, but

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Speaker 1: I think on offense those are reasonable goals.

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Speaker 3: I want to see Roderick Jones bounce back. You know,

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Speaker 3: how does how does he handle it? Because oftentimes, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's not it's not the actual bad game that you have,

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Speaker 4: To that bad You know, sure sports is all about failure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're going to fail at times, you know,

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Speaker 3: playing sports. How do you how do you respond to

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Speaker 3: that failure? You know that that reveals character, That reveals

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Speaker 4: I tell my guys that that I coach all the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm like, look, baseball is a game of failure.

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Speaker 3: You're going to fail way more often than you succeed.

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Speaker 1: You go to the plate and you only fail seven

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So how do you deal with that failure? You know,

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Speaker 3: do you carried into your next play? Do you carried

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Speaker 3: so you got to get over it, and you know

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Speaker 3: you do that by going out and doing good things thereafter.

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Speaker 3: And tackles a lot like corner where island people everybody

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Speaker 3: sees it, the fan to see two mistakes.

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Speaker 1: You could be perfect on every other snap and nobody cares.

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Speaker 3: Nobody saw, for example, like the Steelers first sack, when

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Speaker 4: Letting him run free up the middle of the.

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Speaker 1: Total mental error, right, yeah, And I know, and people

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Speaker 1: don't want to see poor play in the preseason. The

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Speaker 4: To be able to correct moments.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to see you struggle. I

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Speaker 1: And Jones doesn't necessarily qualify for that, but as a whole,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's a coaching point. Is I don't think

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Speaker 3: We looked great last year. Nobody's complaining about anything.

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Speaker 1: And it didn't go so well.

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Speaker 3: They scored five touchdowns on five offensive possessions in the

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Speaker 1: A little different world, a little different world. And man,

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Speaker 3: It really is. I thought something interesting.

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Speaker 3: So when Russell Wilson spoke to the media this week,

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Speaker 3: up and down again that that's why, that's why that

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I mean yeah, people might be like, you

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Speaker 1: look that much into roder Jones. I'm pretty happy they

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Speaker 1: I got here, not knowing they were going to do

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Speaker 3: On right doing that, not you know, not throwing him

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Speaker 3: I trust that guy, he'll be fine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Yeah, speaking to young lineman and you

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't expect what high Smith or Hayward to play, Okay.

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Speaker 4: The start of the preseason.

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Speaker 1: Again, again, it almost doesn't matter what situation he's been

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Speaker 4: I don't know that he'll start though, Okay, I would.

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Speaker 4: I mean he'll be out there to Nickel, yeah yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I probably would think he plays well into the game,

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Speaker 1: I think there's something to be said for that. Nickel

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Speaker 4: Yeah he I mean he played the last one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can you can kind of keep him

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, two key guys to me, I think have the

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Speaker 1: against backup receivers, the Lions would be Trice and Rush. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And else on D I want to see Demarvin Leal

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems to be doing more and more of that.

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Speaker 3: I think you're going to see a decent amount of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's definitely done a fair amount. Do

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Speaker 1: Now let's you cheat on a fullback or a fourth fight.

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Speaker 3: Well, again, that lets you steal a defensive line spot too.

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Speaker 3: to see do they line Cordero Patterson up as a

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Speaker 1: Yeah? His usage in general, I just said basic running

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Speaker 1: Like talked about the three l's minutes four with Leo,

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Speaker 1: but I think he's making the team. But Louder Milk,

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Speaker 1: Lowry Lee, does one of them really have a game

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Speaker 1: don't remember, okay, okay, because he got thrust into some

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Speaker 1: you wonder you think he would pass Waivers? Probably?

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Speaker 1: not the end of the world. But I mean, just

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Speaker 4: I'm the sixth wrong guy this year.

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Speaker 3: This year, and as we know that, you know, those

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Speaker 1: Yea. And I would think most teams, even if you're

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Speaker 1: And it's not like he put out unbelievable preseason tape

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Speaker 3: Dude, you mentioned that backup Nosebay, I mean, Montravius Adams

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, let's get to a break that's gonna do it

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Speaker 4: And we are back. I am Dale LOLLI. He is

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Speaker 4: the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 3: This is the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network and

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Speaker 3: Matt in my five for Friday. Yeah, today, go check

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Speaker 3: it out. It's on Steelers dot Com every Friday morning,

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Speaker 3: which makes sense. There you go. Hence the name, hence

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Speaker 3: the name. But today I started looking at who I

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Speaker 3: when you start looking at it, it's Dante Jackson, sure,

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Speaker 1: That was a lot of safety.

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Speaker 1: Jackson's the only one.

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Speaker 3: For sure, and I'd just like to have another veteran

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of Steeler fans looked at this.

438
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Speaker 3: Oh you know, I can't wait to see you know,

439
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,360
Speaker 3: Corey Trice this year he was you never saw him

440
00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,480
Speaker 3: last year? Yeah, right, he got hurt like the first

441
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,560
Speaker 3: day of camp. I don't care what people were. Yeah,

442
00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,119
Speaker 3: he had a great offseason last year. He's still a

443
00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,720
Speaker 3: seventh round pick. Seventh round pick, right, so.

444
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Speaker 1: I'm rooting for Rush and Trice of course, and Watts.

445
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,119
Speaker 1: But I hope we don't see him. I don't want to.

446
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,960
Speaker 1: That's the ideal, right, I hope we don't see that.

447
00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,639
Speaker 3: The only time you do see him is on special teams. Yes,

448
00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,199
Speaker 3: show me you can make some plays on special teams first,

449
00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,320
Speaker 3: and then typically if guys make a lot of plays

450
00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 3: on special teams, its translates.

451
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 4: It translates into playing in a defense.

452
00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,600
Speaker 1: I understand the speed of the game and what it's

453
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,040
Speaker 1: like to be a pro. So Jackson's pretty important to

454
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,000
Speaker 1: this team then, absolutely a lot more than people want to.

455
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, when people talk about that Deontay Johnson trade, they

456
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 3: don't factor that into this.

457
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,359
Speaker 1: Not at all. Right, Like, where would you be without him? Yeah?

458
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,159
Speaker 1: I mean you would have drafted differently or you know,

459
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:34,960
Speaker 1: added somebody.

460
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,879
Speaker 3: But again, yeah, I mean would you a would you

461
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,120
Speaker 3: have gotten somebody on the free agent market? Is good

462
00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 3: as Dante Jackson. Probably not because there wasn't much out there.

463
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Speaker 1: No, it was a bad, bad crop. And I really

464
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 1: disliked the contracts that were signed to Yeah, I mean

465
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,320
Speaker 1: like they weren't team friendly deals.

466
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Speaker 3: And secondly, if you added another rookie or high draft

467
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,159
Speaker 3: pick there, you're even younger.

468
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Speaker 1: You're even that's a good point, and you might not

469
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Speaker 1: have Zach Frazier. Yeah, I mean, right, yeah, right now,

470
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 1: you might be Spencer Anderson. Your hopes find the center

471
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 1: or you know what I mean. I mean it'd be

472
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Speaker 1: short somewhere else for sure.

473
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 3: Or you'd have some fourth or fifth round center that

474
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 3: maybe he can play.

475
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,359
Speaker 1: Maybe McCormick's a center, you know, that's probably where you'd be, right.

476
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 1: It'd probably be a Day two corner. So yeah, I

477
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 1: know Deonta's missed and he'd be useful around here, but

478
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 1: Jackson might be more useful. I think.

479
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,399
Speaker 3: I think it's harder to find cornerbacks than it is

480
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Speaker 3: to find wide receivers.

481
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Speaker 1: That's exactly what I thought when they made the trade, too.

482
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 1: Is just I think we even said the words something

483
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 1: along lines of I'd just rather shop in the wide

484
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:40,160
Speaker 1: receiver aisle than than the corner Aisle. Especially what month

485
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Speaker 1: was that. I guess that was probably before the draft,

486
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 1: so that was March or something like that. You know,

487
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 1: we didn't know where all the receivers were going to land,

488
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 1: and hey, you did draft the receiver. You just haven't

489
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 1: got anything from him.

490
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Speaker 3: I mean, the only thing you could have done, you

491
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 3: would have had to have gone and signed h You

492
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 3: weren't going to get Jalen Johnson.

493
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Speaker 1: No, you weren't get trade for We're.

494
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 3: Gonna trade for Sneed. We're you gonna pay a bunch

495
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 3: of money for Kendall Fuller.

496
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Speaker 1: And that doesn't make you better to me.

497
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Chidobia A woozy, I.

498
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: Say a woozy I was a name of until my time.

499
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 1: I couldn't come up with it.

500
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 3: Was fine, thirty two year old stuff on Gilmore Yeah, yeah, yeah,

501
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 3: this is what was available. Yeah, maybe it would have

502
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 3: been at Gilmour or something like that. But he starts

503
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 3: to climb and then you get Patrick Peterson.

504
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Speaker 1: You were last year, right, right. The corners are hard

505
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 1: to find. The Jackson's someone they've had their eye on

506
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Speaker 1: for a while.

507
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Speaker 3: So and he's still young enough that they're still he's

508
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 3: he may not be getting much better at this point

509
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 3: in his career, but you know what his floor is.

510
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 1: I also think the stability the defense will help him

511
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 1: so much. I mean, he's been in thrust and you

512
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 1: always talk about that with like quarterbacks, but he's been

513
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 1: in so many different defenses and asked to do so

514
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 1: many different things and wear so many different hats. Just

515
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:51,959
Speaker 1: stay here for a couple of years or whatever and

516
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,360
Speaker 1: run the Steeler DP, you knoweah, I think that goes

517
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: a long way.

518
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 3: So I think when when people talk about that trade

519
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 3: of Deontay Johnson for don the Jackson.

520
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: They're also picked up draft capital. They picked up draft

521
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 1: Maybe you wouldn't have had McCormick because they weren't able

522
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 1: to trade up and st you know what I mean.

523
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I just look at it. You have to

524
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 3: look at the big picture on that thing. And and

525
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 3: to me, the big picture is if you hadn't done that,

526
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 3: you'd have had to spend all kinds of cap space

527
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 3: on one of those other guys, right, or trade for

528
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 3: lagerious sneed or you know, do whatever, right, because you

529
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 3: couldn't go into this season being even younger than you

530
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 3: are now at the cornerback position.

531
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Speaker 1: I mean you even could have it might even been

532
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: your first round pick. You'd had your pick of corners

533
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: at that point. Looking at it, maybe it's Mitchell or

534
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 1: Arnold or somebody like that. But again then you're super young. Still, yeah,

535
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 1: I mean, you'd be excited about a pairing of Arnold

536
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 1: and Mitchell or Porter and Mitchell, But as excited as

537
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 1: you are with the pair of tackles, I wouldn't. I'd

538
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 1: rather the tackles rather, the tack Tackles are the hardest

539
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: thing to find the quarterback.

540
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 3: You're right, yeah, So I just think you have to

541
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 3: look at this whole thing in the big pictures when

542
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 3: you're building a roster like that, and don't just react.

543
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 4: You know, I was the same boat when they made

544
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 4: the deal. I'm like, huh.

545
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 1: My first thoughts were, I thought you'd get more for

546
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: him if he traded him, and I didn't think he

547
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: get traded, to be honest with you, And then when

548
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 1: he did, I was like, man, I thought you get

549
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 1: a little more.

550
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 3: And I don't think because I've heard this bandied about

551
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 3: out there, Carolina was going to cut Dante Jackson, I

552
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 3: don't think so.

553
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's true either, And just because.

554
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 3: Somebody speculated about it once in one of the Charlotte

555
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 3: papers or whatever.

556
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 4: Doesn't mean it's true.

557
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 1: I mean he would be their second best corner yeah.

558
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: I mean jac Horn's a promising guy.

559
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 3: That trading for cornerbacks right now. They just trade it

560
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 3: for one this week and they don't have a second cornerback.

561
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 3: They weren't going to just give Dante Jackson away.

562
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 1: And I hate the logic of that's the worst team

563
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 1: in the league and they were gonna cut him, so

564
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: he has to be the worst corner in the world.

565
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: It's not the transitive property or whatever you learned it

566
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: out whatever, that that's necessarily true. That doesn't mean he's bad. Yeah,

567
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: but I think he's really important this team. Yeah.

568
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 3: No, I mean again, they traded with Seattle for a cornerback, Yeah,

569
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 3: like today this week, who started four games last year.

570
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 3: He's now their number two guys. They would love to

571
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 3: have Dante Jackson. People on Cara Panthers Nation Radio are

572
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 3: probably sitting here going, boy, I don't know if we

573
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 3: should have traded Dante Jackson for Deontay Johnson.

574
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,959
Speaker 1: Right, We're happy to have Deontay, but same deal. Right,

575
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: Everyone looks at a half negative thing too. And know,

576
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: by the way, what's Johnson going to make on the

577
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 1: open market after this year? Yeah, I mean just financially,

578
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: he's going to be twenty million, you think eighteen maybe

579
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: somewhere in that. I mean, he's not gonna get ceedee

580
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: lamb money, but he's going to get more than you're

581
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: probably willing to give him. Yeah, you know, So there's

582
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: more aspects to it.

583
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's it's it's definitely a little.

584
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: And this is one of my new themes. When you

585
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: can trade up late in the draft too, it has

586
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: more value than it used to. You know, the draft

587
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: picks swap helped you a little bit.

588
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 4: Too, Yeah, for sure.

589
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 3: But just that struck me when when they released Anthony

590
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 3: of Rex, I thought he might have a chance because

591
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 3: of that, because you know, just being a veteran guy,

592
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 3: a guy who's played a lot of snaps in the league.

593
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 3: He did he was hurt, you know, in the game

594
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 3: against the Bills. But when they did that, I'm like, boy,

595
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 3: they're going to be really young at cornerbacks, really a cornerback.

596
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: So all that's a little frightening, you know. I mean,

597
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to bank on unproven players. But going

598
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: back to Lebau, and it's certainly a Tomlin thing. I mean,

599
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 1: he has a Tampa two background. This coaching staff for

600
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: decades now has been one of the best in the

601
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: league hiding their corners. Hiding is a rough word, but

602
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: I mean the Steeler defense back in the day, they

603
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: cut corner at corner, you know. I mean, they played

604
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: a lot off, they blitzed a lot, and Tomlin has

605
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: always been able to get more out of I mean

606
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: some of the corners they've played around here are suspect

607
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: dudes that were starters and still had a really successful defense.

608
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: So there's a.

609
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 3: Russ passer will if you rush the passer.

610
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: Well off the run, get people in third and lungs,

611
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: it takes it takes you a long way because you

612
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: can you don't have to be you don't have to

613
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: have you.

614
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 3: Know, sauce guard and Rod Woodson, rod Woodson out there.

615
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: They've had really successful defense with averaged or below average

616
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: corner play.

617
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 4: They've sometimes had some guys that.

618
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: I can't believe they're on the team starting. There's some names.

619
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: If you go through Steeler corner snaps over the last

620
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: twenty years, there's some dudes that are really suspect and

621
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: the defense ended up being top ten.

622
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 3: I will say this as well. I remember when when

623
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 3: the Steelers signed Bryce McCain away from the Houston Texans,

624
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 3: and this was in the early days of Pro Football Focus, OK,

625
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 3: and Pro Football Focus had Bryce McCain rated as the

626
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 3: lowest last cornerback on their I do remember that. And

627
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 3: he was the worst cornerback in the league according to

628
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 3: Pro Football Focus is great ever played. And immediately people

629
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 3: latched onto that, Oh, the Steelers just signed the worst

630
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 3: cornerback in the league.

631
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they've studied his tape. Yeah.

632
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 3: And at the end of that season when Bryce McCain

633
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 3: because he only signed a one year deal when he

634
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 3: was leaving for free agency, I can't believe the Steelers

635
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: are letting Bryce McCain lee. Why would they let him walk? Great?

636
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: Here is so good for us, right, Yeah, And corner

637
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: usage has a lot to do with that. What you're

638
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: coaching them to do, I mean, come up and tackle.

639
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: We don't need you to be on the islands like

640
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: Melblante all all the time too, So it's not the

641
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: ideal position to be light at. But they've had a

642
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: lot of success being light at corner. Yeah, and I'll

643
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: make sure they will be.

644
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 3: I'm not sure they are.

645
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's there's a lot of spot to

646
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 4: worry about it. There's a lot of athletic upside there.

647
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: You know. Again, it's not the easiest position to evaluate,

648
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: even on All twenty two in preseason either, because coverages

649
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: are pretty vanilla and stuff like that too. But I

650
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: haven't seen those guys getting beat much. Rush has been

651
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: making plays. Yeah, I definitely think Trice and Rush and

652
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: especially Watts is better than when I met them, you know,

653
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: and I.

654
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 4: Saw them Wats standing game on.

655
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's a chance to be good good.

656
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Speaker 4: I mean he he sticks his nose in there and

657
00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 4: tackles big dude.

658
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: He almost had a pick that was tipped. I mean

659
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,719
Speaker 1: like he's he's around the ball a lot. Yeah, he's

660
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: gonna be one of the guys I feature key on

661
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: the most. It's funny they've been doing the pregame show

662
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: at the stadium because I hosted the postgame show and

663
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: I was sitting there the first day and they asked

664
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Speaker 1: who you most excited to look at. I'm like Watts.

665
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: They're like, what, Like, he's intriguing, man, he could do

666
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. I mean, what if he's a

667
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: big slot, what if he's an outside corner, what if

668
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: he's a strong safety.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's like Lugarious sneat wrong safety, but all

670
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 4: the corner right.

671
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

672
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: So I was listening to a Pott. I started so

673
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: many sentences on the show as I was listening to

674
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: the podcast this morning, but there was a guy talking

675
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: Eagles and the Eagles. They were talking about Johnny Wilson

676
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: after the Dots in trade, and the Eagles have this theory,

677
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: which I thought, boy, that's smart. The last two rounds

678
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: or late picks, they just want unique players, like outliers.

679
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: Like I'm not just taking the boring leadoff walk. I'm

680
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: taking Johnny Wilson, and I'm taking that receiver that's a

681
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: running back Smith I think his name was who's tiny,

682
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: but he's super dynamic. One of them hits great. I

683
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: got a weird unique player. Well, Watts is kind of

684
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: that way. You know, he wasn't a refined dude, but

685
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: he's an athletic d back that if he hits, he's

686
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: gonna hit big. You know, like the Niners or the

687
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: Eagles draft, they're left tackle. The rugby player a lot

688
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: of yeahet in the seventh round. He's unbelievably unique. If

689
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: I miss on him? Who cares? If I hit on him?

690
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: I have a franchise left tackle that makes twenty million

691
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Speaker 1: a year. You know, like I kind of like that theory. Yeah,

692
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Speaker 1: let's get to a break. Here is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 3: I am Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Drive on

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Speaker 3: the Steelers Audio Network. We'll be back with more right

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Speaker 3: after this.

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Speaker 2: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 2: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and

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Speaker 2: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: And we are back. I'm Dale Wally.

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Speaker 4: He is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 3: This is to drive on the Steelers Audio Network and

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Speaker 3: Matt over the next seventy two to ninety six hours

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Speaker 3: at four days.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe yeah.

705
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 4: We're gonna start to see cuts made here in the NFL.

706
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, and trades and things of that nature,

707
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 3: because teams are gonna want to get something. If hey,

708
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 3: I got this this wide receiver, I'm gonna cut you've

709
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 3: got you've got an extra defensive back.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's just swap them. We You know, you've seen

711
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: a little bit that already. Yeah, Brown's picked up a

712
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: backup center. You mentioned the Panthers picked up a corner.

713
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: Steelers did a fair amount of that this time last year.

714
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: Dotson Green guys like that, Like, let's get a pick

715
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: for you. There was a game last night, there's a

716
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: couple tonight, and then over the weekend they finish up.

717
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: So I would think, like Sunday, things will really heat

718
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: us on the roster building front. I mean, I still

719
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: think there's a chance big trades could happen anytime, you know, yeah,

720
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: like the Dotson deal.

721
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 3: So looking at some of the guys, the speculation around

722
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 3: the league of people who could get cut.

723
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 4: Zach Wilson with the Broncos.

724
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that adds up. I mean, he's their.

725
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 3: Three, He's the three. Bailey Zampi with the Patriots. I

726
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 3: wonder if you get to pick for Zappy, I wouldn't.

727
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 3: I thought he was the biggest flash the pan ever whenever.

728
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 3: Everyone's all excight about him. But I don't think he

729
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: makes a team in New England. Any late round quarterback

730
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 3: from here from now until whenever is going to what

731
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 3: we got the next Tom Brady?

732
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Zapi came in and brought him back a

733
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: couple of times when Mac Jones is really struggling. Oh,

734
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: we got our guy, Tom Brady. He's Tom Brady. He

735
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: can't throw again, Yeah, right, right, But Milton's making the team,

736
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: and may and are making the team. Zappi's in trouble.

737
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: D es Gridge with the Seattle Seahawks lot of wide receiver.

738
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a skinny third round pick a couple of

739
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: years ago that's never really hit. I could see that.

740
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: I mean, they like Bobo and some of that, not

741
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: top three guys. Yeah, I could see him not being

742
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: a Seahawks.

743
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 4: Western Michigan guy.

744
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, had some off.

745
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 4: The field stuff too.

746
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: M h. But I don't think you're implying he's the

747
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: answer to the Steelers watch problems. Right, no, right, But

748
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: he's a name, Yeah, he's a name.

749
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 4: Uh Kadarius Tony sky Moore in Kansas City.

750
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Speaker 3: I can't imagine they walk up back, so they gave

751
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 3: up two picks.

752
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 4: Sky Moore is a former second round pick from.

753
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Speaker 1: Around here, by the way. Yeah, who I like coming

754
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: out of school too. I don't know if i'd pick

755
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: up would you pick him up in a rush type manner? Yeah?

756
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: I might more Tony I just don't think he knows.

757
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 4: What he's Tony, I have no interest in.

758
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: I think I'm done with that guy. I mean he

759
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: even with today's kickoff rules, if he's getting cut, he

760
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: would be at that at least. I mean, he's an

761
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: unusual mover. He doesn't even when he on his best days,

762
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: you watch him run routes. He just kind of runs

763
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: around out there like he's not running receiver routes. He's

764
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: not crisp at all. Mental airs Galore. I mean, he's

765
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: unbelievably hard to count.

766
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 3: On and doesn't always catch the ball. No, No, other

767
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 3: than that, he's a great receiver. He has the ball

768
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 3: in his hands and he's running around in space. He's

769
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 3: really good. Yeah, Sky Moore, I think.

770
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Speaker 1: I would love to have on the practice squad something

771
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: like that. Maybe you could entice him to come home

772
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Speaker 1: on the cheap. They got a lot of receivers in

773
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Speaker 1: Kansas City. I see him getting cut. I could see

774
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: little early to give up on him. Yeah, yeah, how

775
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 1: about Terras Marshall with the Panthers. He always got overshadowed

776
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: by like Jefferson and Chase at LSU, but was a

777
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: pretty good player in his own right. More of a big,

778
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: slowish slot.

779
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 3: It was seventeen and a half yards of catch in

780
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty two.

781
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know if he's better than.

782
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 3: Miller Man similar different, they're different, different style players, different.

783
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: I mean he can play outside too. I think he's

784
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: best as kind of a power slot. But I wouldn't

785
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: mind him on the squad somewhere. Yeah, I mean practice

786
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: squad again. He's just taking a yea, a shot of

787
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: the guy who's a former second round pick that he's

788
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: been on a bad team most of his career and

789
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: maybe a new environment helps him. He's still with the Panthers, right, yeah, yeah,

790
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: I doubt he'd keep him. They've got a lot of

791
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: guys now too. Yeah, and drafting receivers heavy Jackson Carmen

792
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: with the Bengals. Hmm, yeah, I could. I assume the

793
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: Mims pick hurts him massively, you know, because he is

794
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: he a guard? Is he a tackle? He kind of

795
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: has been proven to be neither. But he was pretty

796
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: high pick with some ability that it might be too

797
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: early to give up on him too. What's his thirty

798
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: year probably?

799
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 4: Yeah?

800
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, these are guys I wouldn't mind

801
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: scooping up and putting on the practice squad.

802
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 4: Jam And Davis with Washington speculator there.

803
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: At that point with him, well, I mean they're just

804
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: making wholesale changes there.

805
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're just getting rid of everybody and they're trying

806
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: to make him an edge rusher.

807
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: Now I hate that, and that's a Cardinals move if

808
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: it ever has me, Like, we don't know what position

809
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna play, or you're an off the ball linebacker,

810
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: you're an edge. I might rather have him than Mark Robinson,

811
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't cut Matta Kavig for him. Yeah, you

812
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I'm definitely not getting moving

813
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: off my top three.

814
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: I don't see him fitting necessarily here. Boy, I'd love

815
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 3: to have him for a year, just like lent guy

816
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 3: at Kentucky.

817
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like I'd love to have him in

818
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 1: camp next year after being with the team and never

819
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: seeing the field in twenty twenty four. Yeah, talented guy.

820
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: That Washington defense is remarkably slow, and that's one of

821
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: the things he does well is he actually runs and

822
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: hits pretty well. But they might have ruined him.

823
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's always that possibility.

824
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: It might not be him. It might be you know,

825
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: it's not you, it's me.

826
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 4: You know, Lewis c went the Vikings.

827
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: What's his problem? I remember you.

828
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 3: Got year Yeah, and I think I think that's kind

829
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 3: of kind of like.

830
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 4: The whole wash.

831
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: Maybe he never recovered.

832
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know that he really has.

833
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: But he was an early second round pick, considered one

834
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: of the absolute leaders of that Georgia defense. It was

835
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: like him and the Kobe Dean did all the the

836
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 1: play calling stuff, all the leadership stuff. He could play

837
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: in the box, he could cover tight ends. Maybe it's

838
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: just a health thing.

839
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 3: Maybe.

840
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 4: And if you know, if you if you're patient.

841
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: With him, right right, I mean, can a minimum? Could

842
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: he be killerbrew on special teams? I mean potentially grow

843
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: into that? Yeah, right right right, I mean.

844
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, as the leaderships goes like he's got it above

845
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 4: the neck.

846
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an interesting There's a couple of interesting names

847
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: early defensive picks that have traits.

848
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 3: How about Damian Pierce. If you're not for us, but

849
00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 3: some Dallas Damian Pierce is available for the raiderss.

850
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: I mean Dallas in particular. Dallas is so bad at

851
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: running back. We went through those terrible running back rooms

852
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: and they were easily thirty two. I think it was yesterday.

853
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: I really liked him coming out of Florida. He's a

854
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: tackle breaker, he kind of has like some of that

855
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: Montgomery to him, where he could do a lot of stuff,

856
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: and the first staff liked him, and then when this

857
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: staff took over, he's lived in the doghouse. He's return kicks.

858
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: He's not even expensive. He's in his third year. He's

859
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: gonna be somewhere. Yeah.

860
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, how about two two.

861
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 3: At Well, maybe maybe they got Cooper Cup, Pooka Nakua,

862
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 3: DeMarcus Robinson.

863
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 1: Those three are all playing and playing a long.

864
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 4: There's a lot of buzz on rookie Jordan Whittington.

865
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 1: He's been great in the preseason.

866
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: They Xavier Smith, they got a good camp from Tyler

867
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 3: Johnson this year. To too out Well might be on

868
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 3: the outs.

869
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wonder if he's like a seventh round pick

870
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: type move I've been somebody would be interested in too

871
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: too out Well. Yeah, he's remarkably lean. I mean he's

872
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: really tiny, but he's like one fifty but runs a

873
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: four to three. Yeah.

874
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 3: I mean the Steelers both sides of your mouth on this,

875
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 3: because you've said now you've started to say that you're

876
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 3: starting to warm up to the little guys being able

877
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 3: to play in today's game.

878
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they need to have more bulk to him

879
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: too though. I mean he's skinny, you know, like Devana

880
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: Cheen has bulked to him. I mean he's not big,

881
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:22,959
Speaker 1: but is too too.

882
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 4: Out well, any different than Hollywood Brown or you know,

883
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 4: maybe not.

884
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: I mean that's why you're kicking him around. Guys that

885
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: how much difference is he than Calvin Austin, right, yeah,

886
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: I mean or Scotty Miller or the guys the Steelers

887
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: brought in. I mean, they brought in a lot of

888
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: speed that aren't two hundred and twenty pounds. He can fly, Yeah,

889
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: he can fly. I mean just thinking about all those

890
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: receivers the Steelers landed, they all could fly. I mean,

891
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: like he would probably be in that mix.

892
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 3: And he's probably better.

893
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 1: He's probably better than Miller. Maybe we're battle with Austin.

894
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 4: So he's listed at five nine, one hundred and sixty

895
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 4: five pounds.

896
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 1: That's probably his combine weight. Yeah, it's probably accurate.

897
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can think and maybe he well, in his case,

898
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 3: he might have balked up.

899
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 4: A little bit for the combine as opposed to something in.

900
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: That, but I was also thinking he probably balked up

901
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: since then too.

902
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're talking about a guy who last year

903
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 3: at thirty nine, catches for four hundred and eighty three

904
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 3: yards and three touchdowns.

905
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: I mean he has big playability. Yeah, I bet he's

906
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: on a roster. Yeah, and I bet you can maybe

907
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: even get a pick for him if you're the Rams,

908
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: not my No. Seven.

909
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're swappings a six or seven or something like. Yeah, right,

910
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 3: just somebody to throw out.

911
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: H that's an interesting name though. Larry Boram and the

912
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: Steelers have this trend too. But like you've brought up

913
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: a handful of Day two picks, including a Round one

914
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: pick that aren't old. Maybe we didn't adore them coming

915
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: out of school or didn't think they were for the Steelers.

916
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: But if you can get for free, right, a guy

917
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: the second round pick two years ago, what does it

918
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: call it? What's it hurt? You know?

919
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 3: Take a look.

920
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Larry Borham with the Bears, that doesn't do it

921
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: doesn't do much for me either, right, Max Mitchell with

922
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: the Jets, same thing. Yeah, I don't think they'll be

923
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: in the O line market.

924
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 4: I don't think so either, Samaji p Ryan, the other

925
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 4: p Ryan.

926
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: He's more accomplished than his brother. Yeah, he's really well

927
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: known for protection. They would take mixing off the field

928
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati for on key third downs, big pass protection downs,

929
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: big blitz downs, not super dynamic. I just don't know

930
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: where the fourth running back fits here. Assuming Warren is

931
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: not going to miss extended time, this is an interesting one.

932
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: Pete Ryan will be on a roster, Yeah, he'll be somewhere. Yeah.

933
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 3: Darryl Taylor with the Seahawks.

934
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: Another interesting high pick. Trendy or traitzy edge rusher. No

935
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: clue if he has a special team background.

936
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 3: Nine and a half sacks in twenty twenty two, twenty

937
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 3: one and a half sacks in his first three NFL seasons.

938
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 1: But they've drafted some dudes there and the only probably

939
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 1: keep four. I think he had character red flags coming

940
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: out of Tennessee, which people talked about him being the

941
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: second round pick and he went to fourth or something

942
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: like that. I doubt he's a special teamer.

943
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 3: And I only say that because he's one of these

944
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 3: six five six six long long armed edge dudes.

945
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: Rarely are they good special teamers. But maybe I don't know,

946
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: but they got a spot. I mean he's a three

947
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: four outside linebacker t.

948
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 3: He's a three four outside linebacker type.

949
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

950
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 4: Two more guys will give you, yeah, Jeff Acuda, CJ

951
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 4: Henderson with the Texans.

952
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: Wow, those are first round pick corners.

953
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, they don't. I'm reading here on NFL dot Com.

954
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 3: They're not sure because you got they got a lot

955
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 3: of corners yet Stanley, You got Kamari Lassiter who looks

956
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 3: like he's gonna start.

957
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 4: You got Desmond King. Yeah, you know.

958
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 3: Do they keep around both of those former first round

959
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 3: cornerbacks as well?

960
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: Again, the retromation projects and a couple teams have given

961
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: up on already. It makes you wonder about their head,

962
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: their motivation, all those type of things. But their first

963
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: round picks that can that are big and fast. Archer

964
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: Smith had a Kuda last year. Yeah, in Atlanta. I

965
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,479
Speaker 1: was thinking that too. He's the one that I would

966
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: be more and more excited about. Of the two Steelers

967
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: have all kinds of Ohio State ties too. They'll know

968
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: everything about them. I could see him being more useful

969
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: than Trice a rush. Yeah, I mean, like maybe just

970
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: going right ahead of those guys and joining them in

971
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: the room. Yeah, if you had to use them.

972
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know if he has any slot capability.

973
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think he's a kind of

974
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: computer Ohio five star recruit, you know type guy. You know. Yeah.

975
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of names you mentioned there that

976
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: are high picks.

977
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, that typically don't give given up on the right away.

978
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 3: We get second and third chances.

979
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: Unless there's injuries or you know, some kind of medical

980
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: that we don't know about. But again, nine out of

981
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: those ten that you mentioned that were high picks will bust.

982
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: We'll wash out the league. But one won't.

983
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: One won't.

984
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: I'll show lottery, the golden ticket that you pull out

985
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: of the wonk of the life. It'll go on or

986
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: the right coaching staff will get ahold of them and

987
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 1: they'll turn into a player.

988
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 3: That's the thing that you get them for nothing. That's

989
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 3: the thing I think people lose sight of. Well, this

990
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 3: guy sucked at this spot. Why would you want him?

991
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, he was a kudo, was a fourth pick

992
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: of the draft on a terrible Lions team and they

993
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: didn't get the most out of them. Then they all

994
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 1: got fired.

995
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then right, you know, now it's you're in

996
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 3: no man's line. But a lot of time, it's so much,

997
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 3: so much way, a scheme.

998
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: Based, so much scheme based, right, or a coaching change

999
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: happens the next day or whatever, like happens all the time.

1000
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 3: Again, pounding a square peg into a round hole a

1001
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 3: lot of times.

1002
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 4: That's what this is.

1003
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,919
Speaker 3: You know when people talk about, oh, it's all the time.

1004
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 3: You know how many Steelers you know players, former Steeler

1005
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 3: players go on somewhere else to play really well with

1006
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 3: every team. There's a reason for that, because the Steelers

1007
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 3: are drafting guys that fit their scheme.

1008
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. It happens every team, but I will say

1009
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: it happens to this team less because they don't have

1010
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: so much coaching change. Yeah, you know, like they know

1011
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: the style of guys they after a lot of scouting

1012
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: is elimination. Like he might be a really good player,

1013
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: but he doesn't do what we need at that that position.

1014
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 3: Ziggy hood is a perfect example.

1015
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great one.

1016
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 4: Jicky Hoods played twelve years in the NFL.

1017
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: He was a first career.

1018
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 4: He had a good career by anybody's standard, was.

1019
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: With the thirty or thirty second pick. I mean he

1020
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: was a late lately.

1021
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 3: Late first round pick, but he was he was kind

1022
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 3: of miscast. Here is a three to four defensive end

1023
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 3: debate based on how they played.

1024
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 4: Then, Yes, if they if Ziggy Hood was on this.

1025
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: Current team, he'd be more usedul He's more like Ogan Joe.

1026
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 3: He's a more off the field guy.

1027
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not Aaron Smith. He's not Kesel. I remember

1028
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: even watching him in Big twelve wide splits, attack up field.

1029
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: That's who he was, you know, But that's on what

1030
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: the Steelers needed. That was kind of a miscast pick.

1031
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, they thought he because they were projecting. They thought

1032
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 3: he could.

1033
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: Well turn him into that because he's just trade.

1034
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 3: He's got the body type and all that, and it

1035
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 3: just that's not who he was, right, Yeah, not who

1036
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 3: he was. Let's get to a break. That's going to

1037
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 3: do it for our number one of the drive here

1038
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 3: on Steelers Audio Network, Matt and now I'll be back

1039
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 3: with our number two right after this