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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, Alex Berenson back

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Speaker 1: with us. Now you all know him, the guy who

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Speaker 1: hard to be right. And we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: some of that and also big pharma and other interesting

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Speaker 1: things going on in the world today. He has unreported

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Speaker 1: truths on subseack, which you should subscribe to. I am

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Speaker 1: a subscriber. Definitely go check that. Alex, let's start with this.

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts as you're reading? And everyone who's

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Speaker 1: a I think pretty much a subscriber here on the

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Speaker 1: podcast remembers you, remembers your work, remembers you going on

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Speaker 1: Tucker Show, remembers you going on Clay and Buck talking

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Speaker 1: about the COVID stuff and all the heat you were getting.

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Speaker 1: The New York Times puts out a big piece now

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Speaker 1: we were misled on the COVID origins, Like it's been

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Speaker 1: five years. Really, now, what do you make of that?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean I don't know what's more infuriating the

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Speaker 3: fact that like five years in and they're still pretending

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Speaker 3: person who wrote this she yeah, she attacks Fauci. Great,

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Speaker 3: she says, you know, Christian Anderson is full of it. Great,

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Speaker 3: we know that. What is she not mentioned in the

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Speaker 3: New York Times. She's not mentioned that The New York

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Speaker 3: Times was pushing this nonsense. Not just in twenty twenty, when, okay,

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Speaker 3: long after there was tons of independent evidence, and frankly,

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Speaker 3: after twenty twenty one, we knew about the cover up too,

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Speaker 3: because of the good work that some independent journalists have

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Speaker 3: yet the New York Times was still relying on Christian Anderson,

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Speaker 3: who is this, you know, immunologist in San Diego, on

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Speaker 3: you want to attack those people, great, but don't pretend

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Speaker 3: it's not. As I wrote in my sub sect yesterday,

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Speaker 3: it's infuriating.

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Speaker 1: I sit here and I just think that there has

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Speaker 1: so far on the issue. I know, I know, it

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Speaker 1: not okay with it. And then we have Cuomo. Cuomo

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Speaker 1: people have been pushing a little bit on, Hey, remember

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Speaker 2: No, I think they do.

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Speaker 3: The problem is that, you know, there's not a lot

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Speaker 3: So I mean that, you know, I will say that

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Speaker 2: So you have you have Tim.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he just has so many other sort of things

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Speaker 3: I do think that there's increasingly a cultural reckoning. And

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Speaker 2: So I think we're I.

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Speaker 1: Think, can we can we dig into that? Because that

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Speaker 1: It's like when Gavin Newsom says no one on his

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Speaker 3: And you know, again like I don't I don't feel

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Speaker 3: They just have to be properly ventilated, which is going

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Speaker 2: But when did it be okay? When did it become

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Speaker 3: And you know, I have three kids, but like, did

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Speaker 1: And he's like, well, you know, when we're doing our

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Speaker 1: The medical establishment hasn't entirely abandoned this.

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Speaker 3: No, and even you know, so the Times they wrote

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Speaker 1: What do you make of where things stand right now?

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Speaker 1: I mean I mentioned it just there, Alex, but Israel's

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Speaker 1: bombing again, going into Gaza. They can't get the hostages back.

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Speaker 1: Where's where's your mind on all this?

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Speaker 3: So putting aside, you know what Trump is doing in

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Speaker 3: the US response, and because that I think actually is

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Speaker 3: a much more complicated question. I think, look, look where

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Speaker 3: Israel was on October eighth, and look where they are now.

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Speaker 3: They have destroyed you know, has Belah. They you know

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Speaker 3: that they have essentially made it impossible for the Iranians

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Speaker 3: to get to them through Syria. They have shown the

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Speaker 3: Iranians that they can attack the rany and air defenses

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Speaker 3: whenever they want, and they have and they have leveled

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Speaker 3: Gaza right now, They've done a lot of damage to

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Speaker 3: the civilian population. But the Gaza, you know, Hamas started

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Speaker 3: the war, right and so you don't really get to say, uh,

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Speaker 3: if you start the war that you know, now it's over,

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Speaker 3: like the other side gets there. You know, well one

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Speaker 3: side or the other gets to say that it's over.

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Speaker 3: But it's sort of too bad for you that you

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Speaker 3: started this war. So I don't have a problem. And

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Speaker 3: it's pretty clear. It was clear to me in December

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Speaker 3: that the ceasefire had come about because Israel had won.

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Speaker 3: Right there, Nobody the the Hamas Bet was We're going

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Speaker 3: to do this incredible thing on October seventh. We're going

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Speaker 3: to punch the Israelis in the nose. We're going to

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Speaker 3: do all this damage. We're going to show that that

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Speaker 3: you know that the border security that they had was

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Speaker 3: bs and then the.

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Speaker 1: Can I jump in on that isn't that just It

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Speaker 1: wasn't that just a I mean, put aside the monstrousness

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Speaker 1: of it and the just the horrific nature of the attack,

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Speaker 1: which is a given, yes, but is it as it just?

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Speaker 2: To me?

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Speaker 1: It strikes me as strategically a huge miscalculation from them,

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Speaker 1: as from them as well.

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Speaker 2: It turned out for me, a huge miscalculation.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they knew that because because one of

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Speaker 3: the things about it is they didn't really tell Iran

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Speaker 3: I think in detail or Hesbel Law in detail.

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Speaker 2: They sort of thought, we're going to do this.

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Speaker 3: And the Arab world is going to come to our aid,

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Speaker 3: and you know, and the Persians and Hesbel are going

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Speaker 3: to come to our aid this year, going to come

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Speaker 3: to our aid. It's gonna be a great day for

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Speaker 3: everybody who hates Jews. And it turned out that none

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Speaker 3: of those people actually like Jamas, and so they let

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Speaker 3: Hamas fight and get destroyed. And then the Israelis did this,

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Speaker 3: you know, incredible, really one of the great intelligence operations.

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Speaker 1: Of all I was going to say that the Law

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Speaker 1: and I know a lot of intel operations, you know,

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Speaker 1: historically and from the time when I worked there with

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Speaker 1: they pulled off with the pagers and the beepers is

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Speaker 1: maybe the most impressive intel operation I've ever heard of.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, it's rare that you can have

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Speaker 3: an intel operation that makes a difference strategically right now,

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Speaker 3: just tactically, but that was actually a strategically It's like

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Speaker 3: radar in World War Two. It actually changed the course

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Speaker 3: of what was happening in Lebanon. So so the Israelis won, right,

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Speaker 3: and then they made, uh, you know, sort of a

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Speaker 3: pretty favorable cease fire with Hamas, and Hamas I think

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Speaker 3: has realized that there's gonna be no Hamas left if

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Speaker 3: they hand over all the hostages, so they don't want to.

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Speaker 3: So these Raelies are just going to go in and

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Speaker 3: beat them up some more. And maybe the problem, I

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Speaker 3: guess for the Israelis is there really is no other

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Speaker 3: governing force in Gaza. So what you really do with

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Speaker 3: Gaza nobody knows, right, And I mean, the Trump Gaza

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Speaker 3: thing was insane, but it was. It was sort of

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Speaker 3: Trump's response to the problem of Gaza, which has no solution.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was going to say, I've told people that

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Speaker 1: it's the Trump thing. Sounds a little bit outlandish until

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Speaker 1: you think about the more outlandis outlandish option is keep

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Speaker 1: Hamas in charge, let them rebuild with international money and

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Speaker 1: just go back, you know, just go back to what

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Speaker 1: we had. I mean, I actually think that's crazier than

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Speaker 1: trying to build Trump Tower Gaza or whatever it was

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Speaker 1: I was talking about.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, so, so these reelies may feel like, hey,

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Speaker 3: we're just gonna do this again, and we're gonna, you know,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna either kill every you know, everybody with an

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Speaker 3: ak who's over twelve in Gaza, or we're gonna, you know,

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Speaker 3: make it so miserable that either you know that there's

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Speaker 3: some sane people in Hamas or there's some sane people

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Speaker 3: outside Hamas who say, we just can't live like this anymore.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what.

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Speaker 3: Their calculation is, but I do know this. They are

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Speaker 3: now in a position of strength and they're gonna do

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Speaker 3: what they want.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they should. This is what I keep telling people.

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Speaker 1: You know, elections have consequences. Starting wars have consequences too.

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Speaker 1: This is what this is reality. This has been true

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Speaker 1: of all for all of human history, and Gaza started

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Speaker 1: this war. So you know there's that thing about mess

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Speaker 1: around and find out. That's what's going on right now

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Speaker 1: Alex Perence and everybody. He's gonna be starting a podcast soon.

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Speaker 1: He announced it on this show, So now we're gonna

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Speaker 1: we're gonna keep him him to it at least once

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Speaker 1: a week Alex and uh check out Unreported Truth. Subscribe

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Speaker 1: to it on substack. Thanks for making the time and

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Speaker 1: always great to chat with you.

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Speaker 3: Fuck, I'm always a pleasure. And yeah, I'll be in.

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Speaker 3: We'll be competitors soon, but I hope that's great.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I'll come on the Bearonson Show. I love no one.

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Speaker 1: Everyone always just expects me to host. I can guest.

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Speaker 1: I like guesting, you know what I mean. Like everyone's

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Speaker 1: just I've been I've been hosting for fifteen years. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I'll show up and guest with people.

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Speaker 2: So you let me know.

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Speaker 3: You're you're a very good host, because I think what

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Speaker 3: I'll have to learn it when I host is that

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Speaker 3: you can't overtalk the guests.

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Speaker 2: And you're very good at you know you, thank you question.

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Speaker 1: I want the guest. I want the guest to shine.

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Speaker 1: I like to throw that pitch right down the middle

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Speaker 1: and let them swing. So good to see you, my friend,

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Speaker 1: thanks again, thank you sir,