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Speaker 1: of things we simply don't know the answer to. Hey there, everybody,
Speaker 1: and welcome again to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I
Speaker 1: am Steve as usual, joined by Devin Joe, and once
Speaker 1: again we have a mystery to share with you. Are
Speaker 1: really scary one this week it is this is this
Speaker 1: is a super scary one. Steve's doing his diligence to
Speaker 1: bring our numbers back down from week now. Come on,
Speaker 1: it's been a long time since we've got a cryptod.
Speaker 1: So I decided it was to do a cryptod. I
Speaker 1: got tired of talking about disappeared murdered people. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean nobody gets killed. Yeah, you have to
Speaker 1: wait and see. In an hour they'll find out spoilers.
Speaker 1: All right, So today we're going to talk about the
Speaker 1: lizard Man of Scape or Swamp. And this was a
Speaker 1: listeners suggestion. It was suggested by Alex quite a while ago.
Speaker 1: Thanks Alex, Escape or like like land Apen, or like
Speaker 1: like like oars in Mineral. Yeah, just because it sounded
Speaker 1: like you were like skateboar, and I just didn't one
Speaker 1: way page escape whore swamp. I think, no, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a great type. I really did it scape Swamp And
Speaker 1: maybe maybe that was the original name and they decided
Speaker 1: to drop the w ah. I think it's probably. I
Speaker 1: think that's totally a type of autocorrect, if you will.
Speaker 1: Back to the story, though, this week we're gonna be
Speaker 1: talking about the Lizardman escapeboard swamp, which, as we've already
Speaker 1: been talking about, skateboard is a swamp. It is for
Speaker 1: those who don't know their geography and don't know skateboard swamp,
Speaker 1: like who doesn't, but in case you don't, it is
Speaker 1: a swamp that is in South Carolina. And just to
Speaker 1: kind of give you some reference points here, it's about
Speaker 1: eighty miles or a hundred thirty kilometers south of Charlotte,
Speaker 1: at about forty miles or wometers east of Columbia. And
Speaker 1: it looks to me like from the arrows, it looks
Speaker 1: to me like it's actually like part of a river course.
Speaker 1: Maybe it really is. It is just part of a
Speaker 1: giant river course, is the best way to describe it.
Speaker 1: Or it might be a backwater of a river or
Speaker 1: something like that, but it does it's not like a
Speaker 1: big square around thing. It's sort of sneaks around like
Speaker 1: it's not in a swamp or something like that. It's
Speaker 1: not that huge, No, not at all. It's actually not
Speaker 1: that big. All things considered, we're gonna be talking about
Speaker 1: a cryptid, and as always with cryptids, there are going
Speaker 1: to be variations upon variations upon variations of the story
Speaker 1: so I found a narrative and we're just gonna go
Speaker 1: with that narrative. You will see variances all over the internet,
Speaker 1: so just be aware. Doesn't I don't know which one
Speaker 1: is right. We just grabbed one and ran with it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a story, not a lizard. Correct. Well, you don't know
Speaker 1: how I do you marry search good point, lots of
Speaker 1: dead little lizards and departments come on. Our story starts
Speaker 1: in the fall of seven when George Holloman Jr. Was
Speaker 1: riding his bike near Skateboard Swamp. According to George, he
Speaker 1: was thirsty, so he stopped at a small creek to
Speaker 1: get a drink of water. And oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: this was around midnight. Correct um. I said that the
Speaker 1: one that I read about this it was late at night,
Speaker 1: like around midnight. It was in the evening. I have
Speaker 1: seen variations of George's story, so I don't I'm not
Speaker 1: going to commit to a time. But George said that
Speaker 1: he was thirsty, so he stopped for a drink. He
Speaker 1: might also have wanted to have a cigarette, depending on
Speaker 1: the version that you read. And by the way, George,
Speaker 1: it's a little late, I know, but you shouldn't drink
Speaker 1: out of the creek because even though it looks clean
Speaker 1: and clear and refreshing, well, probably somebody lives upstream. You know.
Speaker 1: There's a reason I didn't put that in my script,
Speaker 1: because I knew he would go straight for that little
Speaker 1: public service, and I was going to bring up cryptospridium
Speaker 1: and Giardia. He stops for a drink and reportedly George
Speaker 1: said he felt like he was being watched, and he
Speaker 1: looked around and on the other side of the road
Speaker 1: he saw a green colored stump that didn't look quite right.
Speaker 1: So a green colored stump, yeah, So he said that
Speaker 1: he had decided that he was going to go over
Speaker 1: and take a look when the stump moved and then
Speaker 1: stood up, and what he saw was a creature that
Speaker 1: was over seven ft tall. It had green skin and
Speaker 1: horns or spikes depending on the version going down the
Speaker 1: length of its back. And just a few minutes later,
Speaker 1: a car drove by, causing the creature's eyes to glow red.
Speaker 1: And at that point, apparently the car was enough to
Speaker 1: startle the creature that it turned around and walked away
Speaker 1: from George and into the swasp. How did it walk
Speaker 1: on two ft on two legs walking a person upright
Speaker 1: like a human wood. So I had George brought underwear.
Speaker 1: I do not know, because really that's that's the the
Speaker 1: end of George. I mean, George does not appear in
Speaker 1: a lot of the accounts of this. No, he's one
Speaker 1: of the earliest accounts chronolog or he's the first if
Speaker 1: you take this in chronological order, he's the first one.
Speaker 1: But after that he does kind of just disappear. Actually, George,
Speaker 1: George was lucky too, kind of caught the critter in
Speaker 1: a good mood. Based on the next story that we've got,
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, something about cars that sets this guy off.
Speaker 1: Maybe I actually there's a song about it that really
Speaker 1: says that. But we are going to move forward in
Speaker 1: time again to a story that was told by seventeen
Speaker 1: year old Christopher Davis. Christopher Davis was driving home from
Speaker 1: work on the twenty ninth of June, so we're a
Speaker 1: year forward, and this was the this is the most
Speaker 1: this is the most most well known, most reported on
Speaker 1: version of the story. It was about two in the
Speaker 1: morning and he was driving home from work and he
Speaker 1: blew attire near escape or Swamp. He stopped and he
Speaker 1: changed the flat. But as he was putting everything back
Speaker 1: into the car, back into the trunk of his car.
Speaker 1: He said he heard a thumping sound behind him, and
Speaker 1: when he turned around, he saw the lizard Man of
Speaker 1: Skateboard Swamp, which he didn't know that's what it was
Speaker 1: at the time about it at that time, but I
Speaker 1: think George the bicyclist hadn't said anything at this time.
Speaker 1: He had not. But so Christopher sees this thing running
Speaker 1: towards him, and not surprisingly, he jumps into his car
Speaker 1: and tries to flee. He said that he jumped into
Speaker 1: his car and he shut the door, and he locked
Speaker 1: the door, and the thing went for the handle. At
Speaker 1: that point, he wanted out of there, so he turned
Speaker 1: on the car and he hit the gas and he
Speaker 1: drove away, and he said that it started to chase him,
Speaker 1: and then eventually it jumped onto his car, onto the
Speaker 1: roof of his vehicle, and he could see its fingers.
Speaker 1: Threw the glass over the roof of the of the car.
Speaker 1: Lizard Lizard Guy was on top of the car. Yeah,
Speaker 1: supposedly he was doing forty miles when lizard Man was
Speaker 1: able to climb upon his car. I'm guessing that Christopher
Speaker 1: must have been then doing some evasive driving, swerving back
Speaker 1: and forth, and must have at some point managed to
Speaker 1: dump the lizard Man off of the car, because when
Speaker 1: he got home he didn't have lizard Man on his vehicle.
Speaker 1: But he did tell his parents what had happened, and
Speaker 1: his car did have some damage. There were scratches on
Speaker 1: the roof and the driver's side mirror was banged up.
Speaker 1: And Chris's dad, yes, I was just thinking, how this
Speaker 1: sounds like a really convenient cover up for him having
Speaker 1: mashed his car up a little bit. We'll deal with
Speaker 1: this with um. So. So Christopher's dad, prompted by later
Speaker 1: reports of damage to vehicles, makes his son come forward
Speaker 1: and tell his story. And he doesn't tell his story
Speaker 1: for two weeks. It's it's full two weeks later before
Speaker 1: Christopher's story comes out when he goes to the cops,
Speaker 1: and you can see footage of him, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: on local news telling his story. But when he tells
Speaker 1: the cops what happened. Here's what his statement is. He says,
Speaker 1: and I quote, I looked back and saw something running
Speaker 1: across the field towards me. It was about twenty five
Speaker 1: yards away, and I saw red glowing eyes. I ran
Speaker 1: into the car, and as I locked at the thing
Speaker 1: grabbed the door handle, I could see him from the
Speaker 1: neck down, the three big fingers, long black nails, and
Speaker 1: green rough skin. It was strong and angry. I looked
Speaker 1: at my mirror and saw a blur of green running.
Speaker 1: I could see his toes and then he and then
Speaker 1: he jumped on the roof of my car. I thought
Speaker 1: I heard a grunt, and then I could see his
Speaker 1: fingers through the front windshield where they curled around on
Speaker 1: the roof. I sped up and swerved to shake the
Speaker 1: creature off. End quote, And as one of you observed
Speaker 1: before we started Christopher story, his is the most widely
Speaker 1: reported and the widely known version of the store or
Speaker 1: the end story of the Lizard Man of Skateboard Swamp.
Speaker 1: It's partially as Joe was talking about, we hear about
Speaker 1: him instead of Holloman because Holloman didn't come forward. It
Speaker 1: wasn't until this story and several others happened that Holloman
Speaker 1: hit came forward. I think that might be why people
Speaker 1: don't give him as much credit as maybe he's due. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can totally understand why he didn't say anything to anybody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you know, they think you're nuts. And of course
Speaker 1: I can totally understand why people would think, well, Halloman
Speaker 1: just wants a little attention and he sort of piggybacking
Speaker 1: on everybody else. Could have been that too, exactly. I
Speaker 1: had said when we were talking about Christopher's dad having
Speaker 1: him come forward, that there were other reports that had
Speaker 1: prompted him to do so. Well. One of the events
Speaker 1: that had prompted him to make his son come forward
Speaker 1: took place on the fourteenth of July. There was a
Speaker 1: couple named Tom and Mary Way, and they lived in Bishopville,
Speaker 1: South Carolina, which is about ten plus miles from the swamp.
Speaker 1: Actually depends from the center of the swamp. It depends
Speaker 1: on the swamp is actually closer, you know. And yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why I rounded it is about ten plus miles.
Speaker 1: Just give her take, just depending on where in the
Speaker 1: swamp the creator was. That morning, they were getting ready
Speaker 1: to leave the house and Tom went outside while Mary
Speaker 1: was busy doing I don't know what in the house,
Speaker 1: but he came back in and he told her to
Speaker 1: come outside and look at their Dodge minivan and the
Speaker 1: swat had to keep their car. No, no, he didn't
Speaker 1: keep their car, No, what did you do? The hood
Speaker 1: and the front of the hood was all scratched up
Speaker 1: and parts of it were pulled off. There were holes
Speaker 1: all along the front edge of the hood. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: like teeth mark size holes. The wheel well of the
Speaker 1: driver's side fender had suffered the same fate as the
Speaker 1: front of the hood. It was tore up and it
Speaker 1: had holes and scratches all over it. The molding had
Speaker 1: been torn off as well. The hood ornament was gone,
Speaker 1: and the in ten it was bent and reportedly, though
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything really concrete on this, reportedly some
Speaker 1: of the wires from the engine had been pulled out.
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I've never seen anything where somebody said, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's right, here's those wires. Unlike with the footage of
Speaker 1: the van where they show the parts and pieces that
Speaker 1: were chewed off. I don't know. It's hard to say.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's impossible to do that unless
Speaker 1: you open the hood. Um. Now, the on the on
Speaker 1: the interviews that they've given, they say that there were
Speaker 1: tufts of hair and blood and footprints around the van,
Speaker 1: and that they had those taken in for testing and
Speaker 1: casts were supposedly made tested them. Were these people and
Speaker 1: the cops supposedly took them in for testing, But I
Speaker 1: have never heard anything about them. And the only image
Speaker 1: that I've ever seen that maybe looked like blood on
Speaker 1: the hood of the van also looked like it could
Speaker 1: have been dried pay ain't. I don't know, but there's
Speaker 1: definitely there's the hood is definitely chewed up, and the
Speaker 1: wheel well is definitely chewed up. I mean, when they
Speaker 1: looked at it, somebody's like, well, it's obviously that that
Speaker 1: an animal has been chewing on the molding of your vehicle.
Speaker 1: What kind of animal, well, obviously a lizard. Apparently, what
Speaker 1: else would do that? They do love metal, It's true,
Speaker 1: they do a cat. From from that point forward, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of stories of the lizard Man. During that
Speaker 1: year or so, there wasn't even a year. It's like
Speaker 1: a summer, like a couple of months over the summer
Speaker 1: right there. There were some more, but it seems like
Speaker 1: the bulk of them were in a fairly short period,
Speaker 1: and like the summer of all. Yeah, there was there
Speaker 1: was some in the summer, then some in the winter,
Speaker 1: some in the spring, and then it really kind of
Speaker 1: started to taper off. It was about a year that
Speaker 1: there was reports coming in. Now, the damage to vehicles
Speaker 1: really only happened during the summer because there were people
Speaker 1: who were parking around skateboard swamp and coming back to
Speaker 1: their car and finding it all scratched up and punctured.
Speaker 1: But that that only really happened during that summer from
Speaker 1: about July forward, but the lizard Man continued to be reported.
Speaker 1: There were a footprints found around these vehicles and casts
Speaker 1: were taken of it, and you always see it reported
Speaker 1: is and the feet were fourteen inches long, which sounds
Speaker 1: big in theory until you think about the fact that
Speaker 1: I wear a size nine boot, and my size nine
Speaker 1: boot when you slap a ruler next to it, is
Speaker 1: twelve inches long. So they're not actually that huge defeat.
Speaker 1: They're they're big if they're from a critter like that,
Speaker 1: but they're not. But they're they're not gigantically insanely huge,
Speaker 1: is my point. NBA player could have been could have
Speaker 1: been anything. Yeah. Now, the media went really really crazy
Speaker 1: with the lizard Man. They had a lot of fun
Speaker 1: with him, and they were reporting on him all over
Speaker 1: for a while. I'll but as we talked about things
Speaker 1: kind of died down, and then two years later, a
Speaker 1: woman named Bertha Blinders said that she and her children
Speaker 1: were were driving near scape or Swamp when a huge
Speaker 1: figure figure lunge at the car from out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: And then after that there were sporadic reports, but you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, things had kind of tapered off from
Speaker 1: what they had been. In the summer of eight people
Speaker 1: were still reporting seeing the creature. Occasionally cars were being
Speaker 1: scratched up and blamed on the lizard Man. And just
Speaker 1: so we kind of get an idea, the reports are
Speaker 1: usually the same, They're very very similar to one another.
Speaker 1: They always report a creature that is somewhere between seven
Speaker 1: to eight feet tall. They always say that the skin
Speaker 1: is green, greenish brown, brownish colored, like there's this whole
Speaker 1: green to brown spectrum that you see it described did
Speaker 1: people also said it was like kind of furry to
Speaker 1: you do occasionally see that always has three fingers and
Speaker 1: three toes with that. But that's a big staple of
Speaker 1: this story. Um. I think a lot of people might
Speaker 1: actually be familiar with the lizard Man of Skateboard Swamp
Speaker 1: and not realize it, and that is because of a
Speaker 1: report that was made. Back in August, there was a
Speaker 1: woman who said she saw the lizard Man of Skateboard
Speaker 1: Swamp while she was stepping out of the back door
Speaker 1: of her church, and that she took a picture of
Speaker 1: it with her cell phone, and that picture was picked
Speaker 1: up by I would say, a very very reputable, reputable
Speaker 1: news source, the Daily Mail, our favorite, our favorite, And
Speaker 1: if you look at this image, it's I mean, this
Speaker 1: thing is buff, this lizard is this I mean, Marvel
Speaker 1: and d C don't draw that kind of definition on
Speaker 1: their characters. Things just bulky and it looks like the
Speaker 1: incredible Hulk with a tail that even The Mail made
Speaker 1: fun of him. Yeah, I mean everybody did. But there
Speaker 1: was also a video that came out right after that
Speaker 1: of somebody who said that they saw a lizard man
Speaker 1: creature from a distance, you know, moving around in the swamp.
Speaker 1: And if you watch that video, it's just a blurry
Speaker 1: video of somebody way far away. And is it human?
Speaker 1: Is it a creature? Like, there's no way to tell
Speaker 1: it really is. It looks like it's probably humanoid, But
Speaker 1: as far as it being a lizard man, you can't
Speaker 1: even tell how big it is or small or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's a little suspicious, so just a just a little bit,
Speaker 1: just a little so that in a nutshell, that's the
Speaker 1: lizard Man escape or swamp Um. You know, the locals
Speaker 1: love him. They think he's great. There's songs about him.
Speaker 1: There's teach shirts and mugs and hats. I actually gotta
Speaker 1: get one of those. But but there's not a whole
Speaker 1: lot other than that stuff. Back in there's really not
Speaker 1: been any any really good reputable sightings. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: the the video is always crappy or you can tell
Speaker 1: they're really staged videos. I've watched some of them that
Speaker 1: looked like somebody had gotten ahold of a knockoff of
Speaker 1: the creature the Black Lagoon costume, and we're walking around
Speaker 1: in the dark. It's on shaky ground, swampy, unmussy ground.
Speaker 1: You could say that. Yeah, I think, real quick, we
Speaker 1: should probably watch the video just to see what this
Speaker 1: guy looks like. So well, we're watching that. Let's take
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Speaker 1: I gotta go change my underwear. Excuse me for a moment.
Speaker 1: Let's take a break. The subtimes the subtitle or of
Speaker 1: this episode is Joe have to change the underwear. That's right,
Speaker 1: constantly Joe's obsession with underwear. Are they uncomfortable today? So?
Speaker 1: I mean, are you okay? Do we really need to policy?
Speaker 1: You can change them? You know. That's a great thing
Speaker 1: about these mysteries there is They're so scary. It gives
Speaker 1: me a great excuse to change my underwear, which I
Speaker 1: rarely do wash them. All right, well, let's go into theories.
Speaker 1: Theory Number one is that the Lizardman escapeboard Swamp is real.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry no. According to the Internet, a lot of
Speaker 1: people believe that the lizard Man could be real. Apparently
Speaker 1: something of the population of America also think that the
Speaker 1: moon landing is fake. So well, larger portion believe in
Speaker 1: in Bigfoot. So I mean there's a lot of things
Speaker 1: that people believe in. And perhaps let's let's get back
Speaker 1: to the lizard Man. Yeah, okay, and then we'll talk
Speaker 1: about Shoopy later. Um, so let's let's explore this a bit.
Speaker 1: And I know that you are probably gonna have to
Speaker 1: do the same thing as I, which is set aside
Speaker 1: the disbelief because of the fact that, you know, you
Speaker 1: would think that something this big couldn't have gone undetected
Speaker 1: for this long. But let's just set it aside. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, they find like giant whales that have been
Speaker 1: living in freshwater seas all the time they have. They
Speaker 1: have found new species out there, although, like you know,
Speaker 1: usually that in the middle of the ocean two miles
Speaker 1: down or in the middle of nowhere where nobody is.
Speaker 1: I just saw the thing the other day where they
Speaker 1: found a boa constrictor that they thought had been extinct
Speaker 1: for fifty or sixty years, and they're like, what, what,
Speaker 1: well these things are here. I'm just waiting for them
Speaker 1: to find the Dodo. It's out there. It's out there.
Speaker 1: I believe you find the Dodo and then it's immediately
Speaker 1: gonna walk into a fan book. Yeah probably Sorry, Okay,
Speaker 1: so let's put aside artic belief and listen to this.
Speaker 1: It's real thing. Okay. So, however, bunk it maybe. So
Speaker 1: if you think about it, South Carolina, it's not the
Speaker 1: most densely populated state in the Union. It's the four
Speaker 1: most populated as of the census, and it's a decently
Speaker 1: sized state. So it's half populated. Yes, wait no, um
Speaker 1: and Skateboard Swamp is part of a tributary of the
Speaker 1: pad River. And if you look at the whole area,
Speaker 1: as Joe talked about earlier on the map, it's not
Speaker 1: like it's a big square swamp like it follow is
Speaker 1: a lot of waterways and courses and it it really
Speaker 1: ranges over a pretty decent area before eventually dumping out
Speaker 1: into the Atlantic Ocean. Yeah, it's not it's not totally
Speaker 1: fettered water, right, And actually it would be a nice
Speaker 1: little highway if you were the sort of credit that
Speaker 1: was one of these mysterious big Foot like creatures that
Speaker 1: wants to avoid detection. It's a nice little highway to
Speaker 1: transit from one point from boy to point B because
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have a lot of people wandering around
Speaker 1: inside the swamp. Yeah, if you're shy and it's a
Speaker 1: small population, you know, it's just naturally stays small. You
Speaker 1: could see theoretically how something living in that very specific
Speaker 1: micro ecology or something, Yeah, that that's a very specific
Speaker 1: environment could theoretically go undetected. And there we aren't talking
Speaker 1: like they came up from Florida through the Atlantic Osia.
Speaker 1: We're talking just this one specific little area. Yes, this
Speaker 1: is not Florida man strikes. I just want to make sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're definitely they wouldn't be a transplant. They would
Speaker 1: have had to have been there for they would. And
Speaker 1: also like the problem of them being both freshwater and
Speaker 1: saltwaters would be an issue as well for me. Well
Speaker 1: there so, as far as I can tell, lizard man
Speaker 1: isn't necessarily like you know, a swimming lizard as in
Speaker 1: its part time, you'd think it was a crocodile if
Speaker 1: you salt the water until it stood up. No, it's
Speaker 1: more man than lizard. Yes, it is very humanoid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the accounts vary on the look of its face,
Speaker 1: like we talked about, you know in earlier it's got
Speaker 1: the red eyes. But the accounts vary from person to
Speaker 1: person is to what its body shape is. But it's
Speaker 1: always humanoid. It's just that three toes and the three
Speaker 1: fingers are the one of the common defining characteristics. After that,
Speaker 1: it's all over the map. I should be noted. I
Speaker 1: don't mean, maybe you mentioned that not everybody has seen
Speaker 1: the tail that which doesn't mean that he doesn't have
Speaker 1: but not every witness reported him having a tail. It's
Speaker 1: very true. Not everybody says that. So either it's a
Speaker 1: rather small, stumpy tail, or it doesn't have one, or
Speaker 1: it could have been the angle they just saw from
Speaker 1: the front and didn't see the tail. Maybe I don't know,
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah. But there is the
Speaker 1: weird thing about the difficulty I have with this theory
Speaker 1: of it being real is there are no reptiles that
Speaker 1: are known to be or even appear to be humanoid um,
Speaker 1: even even the big ones, you know, I mean you
Speaker 1: think about like gators or the Komodo dragon, like those
Speaker 1: things can they will stand on two legs to to
Speaker 1: reach up to grab food, but they don't. They're not mobile, right,
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't get around that way. So it's
Speaker 1: a little weird that suddenly we've got something that is
Speaker 1: human proportion in terms of torso and legs and our arms,
Speaker 1: but is a lizard. That's that's the weird thing is
Speaker 1: that we don't see this evolutionarily anywhere else. Do you
Speaker 1: see things like the velociraptor which was standing their hind
Speaker 1: legs but they're not humanoids shaped though, and the two
Speaker 1: arms and they were dying and maybe it's something like
Speaker 1: that that is some kind of weird hold over like
Speaker 1: the turtle. It's still a dinosaur. But well so, one
Speaker 1: thing that's also interesting is and we I asked this
Speaker 1: specifically to be able to talk about this, is they
Speaker 1: keep saying it's got three toes or fingers, right, that's
Speaker 1: very rare in the reptile world. Most reptiles have five
Speaker 1: fingers and toesch hand so yeah, five digits. So, I
Speaker 1: mean even like crocodiles, even you know, chameleons have the
Speaker 1: like weird pinchey three things, but lizards have five. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's really rare to find a reptile that's
Speaker 1: got three, and so it's weird. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: see the picture that was taken, he's got three fingers,
Speaker 1: but he's also what has what might be a fourth finger,
Speaker 1: looks looks like actually an opposable thumb. I'm sorry, my
Speaker 1: mistake from that very legitimate my mistake, but still, I mean,
Speaker 1: even you know, four versus three verses five mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is a little strange. It's weird, but actually it's
Speaker 1: not unheard of. If you watch The Simpsons, they have
Speaker 1: three fingers, that's true. The hard hitting documentary of the
Speaker 1: Simpsons Futurama also they have three Okay, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: That just bothers me a lot. That does well. And
Speaker 1: also I've seen the I've seen a photograph of the
Speaker 1: plaster cast that was taken on the print, and it's um.
Speaker 1: You can see the heel on the ball. It looks
Speaker 1: more like it was meant to be a human rather
Speaker 1: than But we'll just say that most of the foot
Speaker 1: was okay, but then it's got four toes on it.
Speaker 1: The three it's just three. It's that white cast, but
Speaker 1: they look like their wires with balls on the end.
Speaker 1: We're used to create the impression. That's the way it
Speaker 1: looked like to me, the toes to me looked like
Speaker 1: it looked like they'd used two large rocks to make
Speaker 1: the heel on the ball and then basically use like sticks,
Speaker 1: like because the toes that are remarkably cylindrical, Yeah they are. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's okay, Devins showing me a picture of another set
Speaker 1: of plaster casts. So there's one that I liked at
Speaker 1: that were even different from that, and they were to
Speaker 1: it's yeah, yeah, there's there's and see that's and here's
Speaker 1: the thing, every every cast, if we're gonna get into
Speaker 1: the well, there's some problems with this being a real
Speaker 1: Every one of the cast that you see is different,
Speaker 1: like that, the feet are always different. And whereas one
Speaker 1: it looks like the toes are just slapped on top,
Speaker 1: the next one they look like they're dug in but
Speaker 1: like they're pitched in the ground. Like it's really really
Speaker 1: really inconsistent, which if this was supposed to be a
Speaker 1: real critter, it should look somewhat the same. Now that
Speaker 1: you know, there could have been a family, some adults,
Speaker 1: some kids, I mean, And of course footprints are going
Speaker 1: to differ depending on if you're say walking or tiptoeing
Speaker 1: or running, and they're gonna look a lot different. But
Speaker 1: but there's some general issues in terms of there's not
Speaker 1: even and to me, the one that I saw that
Speaker 1: had the toes that looked like they were made from sticks.
Speaker 1: They were cylindrical. I've never seen toes that were like
Speaker 1: that looked like that. Yeah, yeah, well, you know, this
Speaker 1: whole thing could just be a product of genetic engineering
Speaker 1: and manipulation, and maybe that's what it is. Is this
Speaker 1: is something from the isle of Dr Moreau and we
Speaker 1: just don't get it. Well, yeah, I mean, is there
Speaker 1: like a large corporation and you know anywhere nearby that
Speaker 1: you know it's conducting hideous experiments and you should shoe.
Speaker 1: I'm ashamed of you. You should know better. There would
Speaker 1: be no way that we would know. That would be
Speaker 1: some secret organization being billed as I don't know, a
Speaker 1: gas provider or something like that. No, it's usually like
Speaker 1: a gas facility or like a plant or yeah, a
Speaker 1: telephone company, so it has a reason to draw huge
Speaker 1: amounts of electricity and fuels. Yeah, but they've got a
Speaker 1: huge underground lab. Yeah, okay, it was. But I also
Speaker 1: haven't heard that the lizard man loves egos, so I'm
Speaker 1: not I don't think he's probably Okay, that's that's a
Speaker 1: good reason. All right. Let's move on to our next theory,
Speaker 1: which is lizard Man a total fake. Yeah, total fake.
Speaker 1: So this this theory is that, according to the theory,
Speaker 1: that this thing is totally bumpus, And there's some things
Speaker 1: about it that makes me think that it could be.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of there's a lot of little towns
Speaker 1: around this country that have strange creatures that reside near them,
Speaker 1: and those strange creatures seem to be one of the
Speaker 1: things things that are economically keeping them afloat through the
Speaker 1: sales of T shirts, hats, coffee mugs, and any other
Speaker 1: paraphernalia that happens to have said critter plastered on it,
Speaker 1: but also tourism. Yeah, well that's exactly it is. That
Speaker 1: it's you're selling those things. You're drawing people in, and
Speaker 1: drawing in just the kind of people you want to
Speaker 1: draw in, that's for sure. Yeah. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that this is done intentionally. Like let's take Christopher for example,
Speaker 1: Christopher Davis. I think that he may have believed that
Speaker 1: he saw something and then others took it and ran
Speaker 1: with it and then saw what a freaking gold mine
Speaker 1: it was. And that's why then people start adding to
Speaker 1: the story and there's copycats. I mean, there was a
Speaker 1: guy who was caught putting on a rubber lizard man
Speaker 1: costume and eight like it, blatantly spoofing the whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't even know that that if you know the
Speaker 1: answer of this, But was anybody actually living in the swamp?
Speaker 1: I I know that there are residences in the area,
Speaker 1: but I don't know about actually inside of the swamp.
Speaker 1: I couldn't answer that. Yeah, I don't know that anybody could.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the kind of that's the part of
Speaker 1: this country where there are there are probably some people
Speaker 1: who have lived there for generation and are actually living
Speaker 1: in swamps and people yeah maybe yeah, maybe those people
Speaker 1: want to be like, you know, scare everybody else away
Speaker 1: and keep them out of the swamp. Yeah. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: then and I actually kind of backfired on him because
Speaker 1: what happened is it generated all this interest and next
Speaker 1: thing you know, there's like there's like hundreds of hunters
Speaker 1: like going through the swamp, like trying to track down
Speaker 1: a hunt that shoot the swampman, and so all their
Speaker 1: privacy they wanted because they were probably growing pot or something,
Speaker 1: and all the privacy that they wanted, well, it just
Speaker 1: went away entirely. And so there's no it's no wonder
Speaker 1: that the leisure men went away too, because they thought,
Speaker 1: oh crap, this is to totally backfired on us. So
Speaker 1: I guess regarding Christopher, though, I maintained that, you know,
Speaker 1: that's something I would have done when I was seventeen,
Speaker 1: if I had been like driving a little too fast
Speaker 1: on a back country road, popped a tire and run
Speaker 1: off the road and damaged my car. I replaced the tire,
Speaker 1: come up with a really convincing story about an alien
Speaker 1: mutant dude he chased me. I wouldn't I would also
Speaker 1: not make up a story like that, But I don't know.
Speaker 1: It doesn't It wouldn't surprise me if it just happened
Speaker 1: that he did some damage to his car and was
Speaker 1: trying to cover it up. Yeah, you know, maybe he
Speaker 1: if he was drunk or stoned or something like that,
Speaker 1: and you know, went home. He could have been like,
Speaker 1: you know what, this is the best idea ever. My
Speaker 1: parents will definitely buy this, And at first they were
Speaker 1: like no, but then other reports came out. What I what?
Speaker 1: What is amazing to me is that lizard Man if
Speaker 1: it's if indeed it's a hoax and it is all
Speaker 1: stems from Christopher's story. It is amazing to me that
Speaker 1: lizard Man became lizard Man based on the drawing that
Speaker 1: he made, because listen, draw what you saw, and what
Speaker 1: he drew was a three toed, three fingered thing that
Speaker 1: looks like an alien, and it really does. It's got
Speaker 1: the bug eyes and the and the head shaped like
Speaker 1: it totally looks like it's a gray and it doesn't
Speaker 1: have the tiny little alien body builder version. No, it's
Speaker 1: actually not. His one was is kind of potato shaped
Speaker 1: with a tiny little head and real spindley arms and
Speaker 1: arms and legs, very spindly long arms and stuff. Not
Speaker 1: not athletic looking at all. I have this great like
Speaker 1: this is a great little scene running through my head
Speaker 1: where they're like, alright, son, draw what you saw and
Speaker 1: he draws in and they're like no, no, no no. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks like an alien and they're like, no, Son,
Speaker 1: you're crazy. It could have been a lizard, but not
Speaker 1: an alien. What color was it? It? Was scaly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lizard and that's just where the story came from.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I mean, I'm just I'm I'm sorry. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of making fun of this whole thing. I understand that,
Speaker 1: but but you know this, I mean, if we're in
Speaker 1: the hoax part, there's another problem with the whole story
Speaker 1: of the lizard Man, and that is that Christopher and
Speaker 1: subsequent people since then have said that the eyes glowed
Speaker 1: red when lights hit them. Then, well, it is surprising
Speaker 1: because most creatures that have eyes that reflect light, you
Speaker 1: like cats and dogs and stuff like that, it's usually
Speaker 1: a yellow or maybe kind of a greenish or in amber.
Speaker 1: But red is not, like you know, the glowing red eyes.
Speaker 1: Red is not a color that formally reflects. Literally, just
Speaker 1: almost hit a skunk lass night, and its eyes were
Speaker 1: red as it looked at me terrified. Are you being serious? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm being serious. No, I was writing my yeah, ok, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's skunks that live in my neighborhood. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you know possums as well, they have little red eyes,
Speaker 1: but they're not red. They may be oranges, but they're
Speaker 1: not red. And this, this this story makes it out
Speaker 1: to be that they were, it always says glowing red eyes. Okay,
Speaker 1: but in fairness, if somebody were like, what color eyes
Speaker 1: were that skunks, I would say they were glowing red.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be like, I don't know, they were a
Speaker 1: subtle shade of amber, a red, right, I mean, like
Speaker 1: that's what I would say. I'm sorry that doesn't make sense,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't. I mean, I wouldn't, and I know
Speaker 1: what a subtle shade of amber looks like. But you know,
Speaker 1: if you're scared, you say they were red. But you know,
Speaker 1: the thing is. Christopher also says he saw this thing
Speaker 1: in his tail lights as he was driving away, which
Speaker 1: would make me think that it's the lights on the
Speaker 1: back of his car coloring it. The same thing with George.
Speaker 1: He said that, you know, car drove by and the
Speaker 1: eyes turned red. Could have been the tail lights again,
Speaker 1: and so like the just the the the the idea
Speaker 1: that the red eyes, that's that's really We're actually wrong
Speaker 1: about the color of this thing too, right, because they've
Speaker 1: all it's only been seen in red light. So what
Speaker 1: color do you think he actually is? If you see
Speaker 1: like a greenish brown in red light? Color theory? Do
Speaker 1: do do? Well? Let me just pull out my handy
Speaker 1: dandy color wheel. You don't have one, not on my
Speaker 1: back pocket. Sorry. Okay, So I think there's some other
Speaker 1: actually better theories than there. Actually there are some other
Speaker 1: theories here or not. I'm actually managed to squeeze four
Speaker 1: theories out of this story. Yeah, this next one is
Speaker 1: my favorite one. So the next theory is that lizard
Speaker 1: man isn't a lizard. Lizardman is another animal entirely. And
Speaker 1: I spent a fair a bit of time thinking about
Speaker 1: what George and Christopher had said they had seen, if
Speaker 1: indeed their stories are real, and the only thing that
Speaker 1: I could come up with besides this we talked about
Speaker 1: a little bit before of drugs or alcohol is a bear? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and South Carolina they do. And I think everybody knows
Speaker 1: that bears cannon will walk on their hind legs, especially
Speaker 1: if they're suffering from like mange or something that's affecting. Well,
Speaker 1: the thing is, it depends on the animal. But you
Speaker 1: remember Petals. There was that bear and I think he
Speaker 1: was in California, was Petals or I don't member where
Speaker 1: Petals was at, but he was a bear whose front
Speaker 1: or front legs had been damaged in some way and
Speaker 1: the only way he could get around was to walk
Speaker 1: on his hind legs, and he walked everywhere like he
Speaker 1: was known in the area. Well, and there was that
Speaker 1: only getting around that way, And there was that bear recently.
Speaker 1: It was like a really sick sun bear. And I
Speaker 1: think they were like, yes, and its skin looks kind
Speaker 1: of scaly because it was just like dry. And if
Speaker 1: there were a bear that had contracted something that was
Speaker 1: damned ng its skin pause included, you know, it would
Speaker 1: be walking around and on hind legs and look kind
Speaker 1: of scaly, but also have some fur and looey and
Speaker 1: probably attack things that are big in its territory. And
Speaker 1: if anybody hasn't done this, so the bulk of this
Speaker 1: theory is that it is indeed a sick bear with mange.
Speaker 1: And if you have not seen a picture of a
Speaker 1: bear with mange before, it is nightmare inducing. And I
Speaker 1: want everybody to pause the podcast unless you're driving, at
Speaker 1: which point get your destination before you do this. No,
Speaker 1: just slam on your brakes. Why shouldn't you do that
Speaker 1: to them? Um? But google image search bear with Maine
Speaker 1: and they are freakish looking and it is really scary,
Speaker 1: and I could see how something looking like that could
Speaker 1: scare the holy hell out of somebody. And in the dark,
Speaker 1: especially you know, if it's rab rabbit isn't the right word,
Speaker 1: but if it's angry and it's upset and it's cranky
Speaker 1: and it comes after you, like, I could see how
Speaker 1: that would scare the living daylights out of you and
Speaker 1: you wouldn't know what you were looking at. And and
Speaker 1: and the black bears they have they're actually can they
Speaker 1: don't usually, but they can't get quite large. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's not unheard of at all. I mean. And if
Speaker 1: you think about these things, if if there's one of
Speaker 1: these living in the swamp, well, I mean, if it's
Speaker 1: a bear in the swamp in general, we can look
Speaker 1: at this two ways. If it's not sick, but it's
Speaker 1: swimming around in and brackish water, you know, sucky water
Speaker 1: that's full of organic material that could stain it, or
Speaker 1: it could it's for or it could just have that
Speaker 1: on it when it stands up to make it look greenish.
Speaker 1: And you know, animals can get stained by their environment.
Speaker 1: Did you guys see the cheeto colored alligator the other
Speaker 1: day that I put like that stuff happens or sorry,
Speaker 1: just to toss out there, um, albino animals do happen.
Speaker 1: So if it were a white animal but be more
Speaker 1: prone to sdaining, they're looking dirty and weird. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean so so this does happen. Um And then you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, if it's if it's then actually got
Speaker 1: maine and it's in that environment and those things are
Speaker 1: affecting the color of it that would make its skin
Speaker 1: look that weird greenish brownish. They not look like bears
Speaker 1: when they have when they don't have fur, they just
Speaker 1: don't know, they look like some weird nightmare animal. The
Speaker 1: only one that I saw that looked like a bear
Speaker 1: was an actual cub, like little eat bad cute cub.
Speaker 1: Except for also, like if you after you look at
Speaker 1: it for a second, it took. Yeah, you look at
Speaker 1: it and you're like and then you're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know that's a bear. I see I can see
Speaker 1: it now. I mean they really don't they really they
Speaker 1: can really be really scary and yeah, and if you
Speaker 1: think about the damage that was done to parked ours,
Speaker 1: if you look at the images of the that Dodge
Speaker 1: van that was chewed up, and then you look at
Speaker 1: some of the other stuff that was done. Like, the
Speaker 1: only thing in that area besides somebody having what's a
Speaker 1: really big what's the great like a Great Dane or
Speaker 1: something that really had a chewing problem. A bear is
Speaker 1: the only thing that I can think of that could
Speaker 1: punch through the hood of the front of the hood
Speaker 1: of a vehicle and tear the molding off and chew
Speaker 1: up the metal like. It's the only thing I can
Speaker 1: really think of that would be able to do that.
Speaker 1: Kind of dog. I've never seen any dog, big or small,
Speaker 1: attack a car before and try to chew on it.
Speaker 1: Oh hold on, Yeah, Devon is showing us a picture
Speaker 1: of a car fender that is being chewed apart by
Speaker 1: a rather large dog. I would say it's like a
Speaker 1: feral dog. Yeah, But but again that that's that's a
Speaker 1: fairly decent sized dog that windshield wipers too. But to
Speaker 1: go for the minivan m to get the hood like
Speaker 1: it did and to chew all that up, that's a
Speaker 1: taller animal. It's a weird angle for a dog to
Speaker 1: be up at. So yes, it could be a dog. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I've seen the kind of damage
Speaker 1: that bears can do. Two things, and they I mean
Speaker 1: they are strong and huge, sharp claws, sharp claws, although
Speaker 1: again I wouldn't necessarily say that it's healthy behavior from
Speaker 1: a healthy, stable animal. But again, if we're talking an
Speaker 1: animal that's suffering, um, you know, especially do weird things
Speaker 1: to try to relieve the but where they get confused.
Speaker 1: But I also they're hungry because they're sick and they're
Speaker 1: they can't really go out and do their you know,
Speaker 1: feed themselves. Not yeah, I mean or you know, a minivan,
Speaker 1: Like was their food in the minivan? I mean, like
Speaker 1: I've seen apartment, you know, the front engine area. Was
Speaker 1: there an animal that crawled in there and the bear
Speaker 1: was trying to get out? I mean, like I've seen,
Speaker 1: like there are pictures out there. That's a good point
Speaker 1: because these people. If you watched the video of the
Speaker 1: interview of the lady, she talks about the what was
Speaker 1: her name, I think Way was her last name. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But one of the things that she talks about is Mary.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. Mary says that she looked out
Speaker 1: the window and they had seven cats who all lived
Speaker 1: on their front porch, and all their blankets and pillows
Speaker 1: were spread everywhere, and there were no more cats. All
Speaker 1: the cats were gone, so that's a good point, Devin.
Speaker 1: It may have been going after a cat that had
Speaker 1: crawled up into the engine compartment the high Yeah. It
Speaker 1: could also be that they converted it to run on
Speaker 1: like vegetable oil and they were getting their oil from McDonald's.
Speaker 1: It's not smelled like French fries, not in the eighties.
Speaker 1: Doesn't like French fries. That's a modern hippie thing, not
Speaker 1: a yeah. I mean, overall, there are a lot of
Speaker 1: reasons that this could have happened, and it's I like
Speaker 1: this theory a lot, especially again, especially with this timeframe,
Speaker 1: to like in a six month year. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: for me, what that sounds like is like there was
Speaker 1: a yearling bear who was out trying to like make
Speaker 1: its own little patch of territory territory, thank you, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, and he was sick and so he was
Speaker 1: there and then he died, probably because he was so sick,
Speaker 1: and so you know, they petered off. But that's you know,
Speaker 1: that seems like about the time of year where those
Speaker 1: bears have to go off and fend for themselves. So
Speaker 1: I would explain why it wasn't happening really before and
Speaker 1: didn't happen. I mean, or it could have just been
Speaker 1: a bear looking for territory that happened to come through
Speaker 1: the area and was sick for whatever reason. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a million ways it could happen. Even animals can
Speaker 1: go insane too, not just people that go nuts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you ever seen the poor polar bears
Speaker 1: at the zoos sometimes like, yeah, it's not happy. No,
Speaker 1: except for the ones with the Oregon Zoo. Those are
Speaker 1: the ones I'm talking about. Okay, doak Well, we've done
Speaker 1: enough talking about bears. We've talked about lizards. Now let's
Speaker 1: talk about reptilians, because that's our next theory. Like the
Speaker 1: like the like the reptilian. Yeah okay, because now it's
Speaker 1: time to go to crazy town, boys and girls. Does
Speaker 1: anybody remember back during the election, before Ted Cruz was
Speaker 1: believed to be the Zodiac killer, he was believed to
Speaker 1: be a lizard man. Yeah, okay, Well for those of
Speaker 1: you who don't, don't worry about it. You're better off
Speaker 1: not knowing. I just want to read you, guys a
Speaker 1: quote that's pertinent to this um quote. As twelve million
Speaker 1: Americans know, the U. S. Government is run by lizard
Speaker 1: people or to be scientifically accurate, reptilians who said that
Speaker 1: I don't know some people in the Atlantic because it's
Speaker 1: it's pertinent. Ye okay, well, I mean you know, twelve people,
Speaker 1: twelve million people know this. It's gonna be real. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's totally a well guarded secret. So as Devon
Speaker 1: has just still just let us know, there are people
Speaker 1: in this world who believe that our government is run
Speaker 1: by a super secret race of reptilians. The entire world
Speaker 1: is our governments, our human governments, our entire global economy
Speaker 1: and governments. It's all run by this super secret race
Speaker 1: of these reptilian creatures that live in underground bases all
Speaker 1: over the world. And by the way, they're able to
Speaker 1: change their shape at will, so they are shape shifters.
Speaker 1: They happen to be about seven or eight foot tall,
Speaker 1: which is rather convenient. Um, and they've managed to infiltrate
Speaker 1: all of the highest levels of government and industry and
Speaker 1: that they're they're in control. Yeah. Actually they the documentary
Speaker 1: TV show from the BBC um Doctor who did an
Speaker 1: episode on this. Yeah, but unfortunately they don't that that
Speaker 1: species that they exposed can't shift. They have to fit
Speaker 1: into space suits basically that are just human shape. Are
Speaker 1: the ones that have the weird sucker arms. No, well,
Speaker 1: let's let's go back to reality here talking about the
Speaker 1: real reptilian. Well, the thing about it is the I
Speaker 1: mean the reptilians too, they're not necessarily shaped shifters like say,
Speaker 1: werewolves and things like that. If you're possessed of that
Speaker 1: kind of alien technology, you can have a holographic projector
Speaker 1: that can actually alter your appearance radically, Yeah, and make
Speaker 1: you look like a human view however they're going about it.
Speaker 1: They are changing their appearance from a seven to eight
Speaker 1: foot tall reptile creature cruise into Ted Crew Obama and
Speaker 1: Obama and Margaret Thatcher in the Queen of England, and
Speaker 1: that's why she's living so long. That's how she's lived
Speaker 1: so long. Okay, So it turns out that the idea
Speaker 1: of reptilian humanoids, it's not it's not that old of
Speaker 1: an idea to purposes. It came about with the UFOs.
Speaker 1: Before that, like, reptiles were not part of any kind
Speaker 1: of really robust lore. There wasn't a real good laura
Speaker 1: around them. Yeah, it's crazy how conspiracy theories seemed to
Speaker 1: have only come around after we got really comfortable in
Speaker 1: life yet mass media. Yeah so so the it happened
Speaker 1: around the forties. The UFO craze and the reptilians didn't
Speaker 1: really get attribute or reptilian creatures, humanoid creatures didn't really
Speaker 1: get the level of power associated with them that they
Speaker 1: we see today until the eight nineties, when a guy
Speaker 1: by the name of David Ike published a book called
Speaker 1: The Robots Rebellion. Yeah. Now, for people who don't know
Speaker 1: David Ike, he in the seventies was a writer, and
Speaker 1: then through the eighties he was on the BBC on
Speaker 1: a couple of different programs, and then at some point
Speaker 1: in the eighties, it was right around the late eighties
Speaker 1: or early nineties, he had an awakening. Well, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say he took a turn around the bend, but
Speaker 1: you were probably putting it much nicer than I am.
Speaker 1: He went on to another show at which point he
Speaker 1: told everybody that he was actually the son of God
Speaker 1: and that the world would end that year. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: he went around the band or he just decided there
Speaker 1: was more money in that kind of stuff, and as
Speaker 1: of today, the world has not yet ended. So I'm
Speaker 1: not sure exactly what happened there. Well, he's obviously a
Speaker 1: reasonable list. He's not the first person of predicting the
Speaker 1: end of the world. No, he's not. He's not. But
Speaker 1: so apparently, what what Ike does is in the late
Speaker 1: eighties and early nineties, he starts talking and then writing
Speaker 1: about a lot of different things, like automatic writing and
Speaker 1: messages that he's he's he's getting like psychic experiences that
Speaker 1: he's having about that stuff. I've said on more than
Speaker 1: one occasion that I'm skeptical about that stuff. I gotta
Speaker 1: tell you about automatic writing. Now, there's times I sat down,
Speaker 1: like to say, even write a script for this episode,
Speaker 1: and I'll a little later looked out at the page
Speaker 1: what I've written and is that's just a bunch of
Speaker 1: tasteless crap. Uh, you know, And so I know what happens.
Speaker 1: So to clarify what is automatic writing? Automatic writing is
Speaker 1: where you put down the pen and you don't try
Speaker 1: to write anything. It's at least the way I understand
Speaker 1: automatic writing. And then your hand, as if possessed by
Speaker 1: another being, begins to write things where it says red rum,
Speaker 1: red rum killing your wife. You will get the insurance
Speaker 1: nobody will figure it out. Yeah, mailor this letter. Now
Speaker 1: it's okay. So I know I can tell you that
Speaker 1: mine always looks like gibberish because it's not actual words.
Speaker 1: Well it's worth it's just not in your language. So
Speaker 1: that's another being here. Dude, Ike starts doing this and
Speaker 1: he starts having these experiences. Is he writing books in
Speaker 1: automatic writing? Because if so, I have a lucrative new
Speaker 1: business opportunity. So he what puts him on the map
Speaker 1: as he's doing this stuff, and then he begins to
Speaker 1: believe that there is a large alien force controlling our
Speaker 1: world governments. And he begins to come up with his
Speaker 1: theories about the reptilians and their shape shifting abilities, and
Speaker 1: he starts writing books about it over time. You know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a footnote in the early nineties
Speaker 1: in his books, and then it becomes more and more
Speaker 1: and more. Yes, by the way, as a side note,
Speaker 1: have either of you looked at this is the funniest thing.
Speaker 1: I love Wikipedia sometimes for the drawings that are on there.
Speaker 1: Have you looked at the reptilian drawings on Wikipedia? Reptiliens
Speaker 1: for the reptilients I control? So don't worry about don't
Speaker 1: don't google this, den I'm going to describe this. There
Speaker 1: is a reptilian creature that is a nice outline and
Speaker 1: got some gills, and then there's a humanoid man human
Speaker 1: man standing next to it in the same line drawing style.
Speaker 1: And what I want to know is why they decided
Speaker 1: that they had to include genitals on the human man
Speaker 1: but nothing like that on the reptilian. Reptiles don't have
Speaker 1: external because humans do. I didn't need to see the guys.
Speaker 1: It's the weirdest thing to include. But a lot of
Speaker 1: questions about there's a lot of questions about that. But
Speaker 1: but I'll be honestly listen. I does some he says
Speaker 1: some things, he makes some claims, He does a lot
Speaker 1: of things, and I don't even begin to understand. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've watched videos and and reads a little bit of
Speaker 1: his stuff, and I'm not tracking with it. So to
Speaker 1: give him his due and to try and give a
Speaker 1: third party explanation of what David I thinks, I've found
Speaker 1: something that is uh, it's a modified synopsis of his
Speaker 1: belief And so I'm gonna just read from Wikipedia or
Speaker 1: where is it from? This is from some other news
Speaker 1: articles stuff it's a conglomeration of stuff. So this says
Speaker 1: quote I argues that the the humanity has been genetically manipulated
Speaker 1: by the Babylonian Brotherhood, a hybrid race of human extraterrestrial reptilians,
Speaker 1: all so known as the Illuminati. He briefly in introduced
Speaker 1: the extraterrestrial hypothesis in his book The Robots Rebellion, and
Speaker 1: expanded it in and the Truth Sell Set You and
Speaker 1: the Truth Shall Set You Free, uh, citing some other books,
Speaker 1: and then in The Biggest Secret, which he published in
Speaker 1: I identified the Brotherhood as descendants of reptilians from the
Speaker 1: constellation Draco who live in caverns inside the earth. They
Speaker 1: are the deities known as the I'm gonna butcher this
Speaker 1: Anunaki in the Babylonian creation myth accurate pronunciation. So why
Speaker 1: do they live with caverns? Do they like it down there?
Speaker 1: I'm guessing it has to do something with the fact
Speaker 1: that they're reptiles. I have no idea why they live
Speaker 1: in caves. Yeah, So the theory of directed evolution is
Speaker 1: not on. That is unpopular. There are a lot of
Speaker 1: people in this world who believe in directed evolution. Um.
Speaker 1: But this idea of of commingling evolution and that the
Speaker 1: ruling races reptilian is as as our fans like to
Speaker 1: hear me say the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It's
Speaker 1: a little guando crazy, it's super guando crazy. Well you go.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm looking for rhyme or reason here and
Speaker 1: there in their big genetic modification plan, because are they
Speaker 1: trying to make a smarter Are they trying to make
Speaker 1: his dumber dumber? Were we that we're we are sheep?
Speaker 1: We are sheep all my friend? Yeah, that is the
Speaker 1: reason that they are doing what they are doing to us. Now,
Speaker 1: what they are harvesting from us or getting from this
Speaker 1: this venture of you know, cultivating the human race. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I haven't gone that far like stuff. Actually,
Speaker 1: I probably a food source, I don't know, not necessarily
Speaker 1: that it might be that they don't want to exterminate
Speaker 1: it because they would feel kind of bad about it.
Speaker 1: But at the same time they want to like sort
Speaker 1: of negates as a threat to them. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: admin humanity as a humanity is unlikely to reach the
Speaker 1: stars and colonized the galaxy and be a threat to
Speaker 1: their galactic empire and so it actually makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense. They're being sort of humanitarian, but at the
Speaker 1: same time they're keeping us in our place and on
Speaker 1: our planet. But I can shed a little light onto
Speaker 1: the directed evolution theory the oftentimes people. The theory goes
Speaker 1: is that it's a um alien race that is otherwise
Speaker 1: extinct in this world. So they came here um to
Speaker 1: try to cultivate a new kind of their species, and
Speaker 1: it kind of failed, but they ended up commingling or
Speaker 1: directing us in a certain way. But that those aliens
Speaker 1: are otherwise extinct in the universe everywhere else except on Earth.
Speaker 1: And actually, yeah, so the the reptilians who are basically
Speaker 1: our watchers are our shepherds. Yeah, but that like some
Speaker 1: sort of intergalactic war or something like that, it's made
Speaker 1: all of the others extinct. But I don't understand one
Speaker 1: of the many their extincts here on Earth too though,
Speaker 1: because they've crossed bred with m Yeah, but they're still
Speaker 1: better than still bigger and smarter and fresher and all
Speaker 1: that yetuff sure, And that I mean, those theories usually
Speaker 1: come that, you know, they they the first interaction with
Speaker 1: alien was like Homo sapien, not the first little inkling
Speaker 1: of a little thing of life. It was. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's how a lot of people make the leap
Speaker 1: from like, how did we stop being animals and start
Speaker 1: being humans? Right? How did we get our intellectual cognition? Cognition? Yeah,
Speaker 1: cognition anyway, So that's that's kind of where people land
Speaker 1: a lot. So all you gotta do is to bring
Speaker 1: us back to our actual story of the day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well know the lizard man escape or swamp. The reason
Speaker 1: that I looked at like and his reptilian stuff is
Speaker 1: let's let's again suspend all the disbelief that we've already
Speaker 1: thrown out there, and let's say, okay, David Ike is right. Well,
Speaker 1: then maybe this is a situation where there was one
Speaker 1: of the members of that species, let's say a teenager.
Speaker 1: You know, the teenagers are always not playing ball or
Speaker 1: something like that, and it is you know what, I
Speaker 1: hate those stupid humans, and I am gonna screw with
Speaker 1: some stupid humans and chases a human in their actual form,
Speaker 1: or maybe this is their way of playing a huge
Speaker 1: practical joke on the human race. And it explains Bigfoot
Speaker 1: and the lizard Man of skateboard swamp and the chupa
Speaker 1: cabra and all these in the Mothman and all these
Speaker 1: other cryptids are okay, listen, you have a free pass
Speaker 1: for a month, take a form, pick it, screw with them,
Speaker 1: and then you're done it anymore. Alternately, they're the insane
Speaker 1: ones who don't get caught right away in then they're
Speaker 1: put down by their own species. Yeah, locked up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're hauled back and put into their you know,
Speaker 1: they're there padded rooms. Well, if you think about it, it
Speaker 1: it could be a form of inoculation too, because things
Speaker 1: kind of accidents happen, your your little projector fails and
Speaker 1: suddenly revealing your true lizard form. Accidents happen. And so
Speaker 1: if you go out there and you create all these
Speaker 1: hoaxes like Bigfoot, lizard Man whatever, you create all all
Speaker 1: this stuff, that's who and so nobody is somebody actually
Speaker 1: sees you in your true lizard form. Nobody's gonna believe
Speaker 1: you unless it happens on the floor of Congress. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you've got a really big problem. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: but otherwise I think those guys they probably like, you know,
Speaker 1: really really carefully, like check their little projectors. Well, that's
Speaker 1: why they have presidential aids, right, yeah, and and may
Speaker 1: and maybe that's it. But the point is is that
Speaker 1: either this is you know, was it was somebody one
Speaker 1: of these creatures in the Ike universe having fun at
Speaker 1: our expense or breaking the rules and eventually getting caught
Speaker 1: and locked away, which is why the sightings of the
Speaker 1: lizard Man of Scapeboard Swamp doing what the lizard Man
Speaker 1: of Skapboard Swamp did in the beginning haven't happened anymore. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that's that's but that's the
Speaker 1: way this theory is running. Yeah, anything to do it.
Speaker 1: It was a sick yogi, not the same instance, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean they're the same thing happened every time. In
Speaker 1: one case it was probably a bear, maybe two, And
Speaker 1: then the rest of it was people made it up
Speaker 1: and they imagined it or they were like and like
Speaker 1: I said before, I mean, if you watch some of
Speaker 1: those videos, it is very very clearly a dude walking
Speaker 1: through the woods and somebody else is a flashlight shined
Speaker 1: on them as they're moving through the woods. Is so
Speaker 1: blatantly clear. Yeah, well it's not that clear. Actually, they're
Speaker 1: they're so tiny in the distance like the guy that
Speaker 1: who the one in the dark with the flashlight that
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, that was very clearly somebody in a suit.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, But like the one that was taken about
Speaker 1: the entre where he's off in the distance. It's like
Speaker 1: maybe he was using an older, crappier cell phone. He
Speaker 1: must have bad I guess, or somebody compressed that video
Speaker 1: to optimize it. It was when he took the video, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: And so why didn't he like zoom in? Well maybe
Speaker 1: that's why it was so bad. Yeah, maybe have you
Speaker 1: ever taken a picture when you zoomed in on your terrible? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the quality definitely degrades. But I mean, especially if it's
Speaker 1: in the dark, which this one was not. This was
Speaker 1: a daytime video. The one Joe is talking about is
Speaker 1: the daytime I'm talking about is the night tipe. But
Speaker 1: he was not zoomed in. Yeah, yeah, not at all.
Speaker 1: And I think the whole thing is is silly. So
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