WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Lizard Man of Scape Ore Swamp 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.200 Taking Sideways is not brought to you by Big Hamster. Instead, 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:06.880 it's brought to you by crime Con. Yes, that's right, 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:11.200 crime Con two thousands, seventeen, which is this June, June 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:13.720 n to the eleventh, that's Friday through Sunday at the 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:18.760 J W. Marriott in Indiana. That's Indianapolis, Indiana. It's got 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:21.800 unique experiences like canine search dogs. I don't know if 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:23.200 you can pat them or not, but you can look 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:27.840 at them. Also crime scene reconstruction, but spatter analysis. There's 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:30.920 a mock rry and this one sounds fun. Escape the room. 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:35.440 Uh yeah. A lot of podcasters including us Thinking Sideways 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:40.120 also up and vanished, Generational Why, and a whole bunch 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:43.239 of other ones. So be there or be square. So 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:45.920 go to crime con dot com then use promo code 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:48.960 sideways twenty to get off your admission and we'll see 0:00:48.960 --> 0:01:05.480 you there Thinking sideways. The idea I don't know stories 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:10.800 of things we simply don't know the answer to. Hey there, everybody, 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:14.240 and welcome again to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:19.480 am Steve as usual, joined by Devin Joe, and once 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:22.080 again we have a mystery to share with you. Are 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:24.400 really scary one this week it is this is this 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.920 is a super scary one. Steve's doing his diligence to 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:32.800 bring our numbers back down from week now. Come on, 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:34.959 it's been a long time since we've got a cryptod. 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:37.160 So I decided it was to do a cryptod. I 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:41.000 got tired of talking about disappeared murdered people. Okay, okay, 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:45.120 that doesn't mean nobody gets killed. Yeah, you have to 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:48.160 wait and see. In an hour they'll find out spoilers. 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:50.000 All right, So today we're going to talk about the 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:53.240 lizard Man of Scape or Swamp. And this was a 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:56.880 listeners suggestion. It was suggested by Alex quite a while ago. 0:01:57.040 --> 0:02:01.200 Thanks Alex, Escape or like like land Apen, or like 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:06.000 like like oars in Mineral. Yeah, just because it sounded 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:09.280 like you were like skateboar, and I just didn't one 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:14.720 way page escape whore swamp. I think, no, yeah, that's 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:19.080 a great type. I really did it scape Swamp And 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:21.200 maybe maybe that was the original name and they decided 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:23.960 to drop the w ah. I think it's probably. I 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:26.520 think that's totally a type of autocorrect, if you will. 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:31.400 Back to the story, though, this week we're gonna be 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:35.240 talking about the Lizardman escapeboard swamp, which, as we've already 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:39.880 been talking about, skateboard is a swamp. It is for 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.280 those who don't know their geography and don't know skateboard swamp, 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:46.600 like who doesn't, but in case you don't, it is 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:51.040 a swamp that is in South Carolina. And just to 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:53.720 kind of give you some reference points here, it's about 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:57.079 eighty miles or a hundred thirty kilometers south of Charlotte, 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:02.360 at about forty miles or wometers east of Columbia. And 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:04.160 it looks to me like from the arrows, it looks 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:06.560 to me like it's actually like part of a river course. 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:08.640 Maybe it really is. It is just part of a 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.080 giant river course, is the best way to describe it. 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.040 Or it might be a backwater of a river or 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:14.560 something like that, but it does it's not like a 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.240 big square around thing. It's sort of sneaks around like 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:19.919 it's not in a swamp or something like that. It's 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:22.280 not that huge, No, not at all. It's actually not 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.840 that big. All things considered, we're gonna be talking about 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:30.080 a cryptid, and as always with cryptids, there are going 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:34.240 to be variations upon variations upon variations of the story 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.880 so I found a narrative and we're just gonna go 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.720 with that narrative. You will see variances all over the internet, 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.119 so just be aware. Doesn't I don't know which one 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:47.080 is right. We just grabbed one and ran with it. Yeah, 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:53.120 a story, not a lizard. Correct. Well, you don't know 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:56.200 how I do you marry search good point, lots of 0:03:56.240 --> 0:04:01.560 dead little lizards and departments come on. Our story starts 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:05.920 in the fall of seven when George Holloman Jr. Was 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:10.640 riding his bike near Skateboard Swamp. According to George, he 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:13.760 was thirsty, so he stopped at a small creek to 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:15.880 get a drink of water. And oh, by the way, 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:19.480 this was around midnight. Correct um. I said that the 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:21.320 one that I read about this it was late at night, 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.479 like around midnight. It was in the evening. I have 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:27.800 seen variations of George's story, so I don't I'm not 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:31.160 going to commit to a time. But George said that 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:33.680 he was thirsty, so he stopped for a drink. He 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.280 might also have wanted to have a cigarette, depending on 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:39.600 the version that you read. And by the way, George, 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:41.520 it's a little late, I know, but you shouldn't drink 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:43.440 out of the creek because even though it looks clean 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.599 and clear and refreshing, well, probably somebody lives upstream. You know. 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:48.200 There's a reason I didn't put that in my script, 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.320 because I knew he would go straight for that little 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.960 public service, and I was going to bring up cryptospridium 0:04:53.000 --> 0:05:02.240 and Giardia. He stops for a drink and reportedly George 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:04.359 said he felt like he was being watched, and he 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:06.640 looked around and on the other side of the road 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:10.320 he saw a green colored stump that didn't look quite right. 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.359 So a green colored stump, yeah, So he said that 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:16.160 he had decided that he was going to go over 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:19.760 and take a look when the stump moved and then 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:23.400 stood up, and what he saw was a creature that 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:26.800 was over seven ft tall. It had green skin and 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:30.520 horns or spikes depending on the version going down the 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:33.799 length of its back. And just a few minutes later, 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:37.360 a car drove by, causing the creature's eyes to glow red. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.719 And at that point, apparently the car was enough to 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:44.359 startle the creature that it turned around and walked away 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:47.279 from George and into the swasp. How did it walk 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:51.200 on two ft on two legs walking a person upright 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:54.239 like a human wood. So I had George brought underwear. 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:58.080 I do not know, because really that's that's the the 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.720 end of George. I mean, George does not appear in 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:03.560 a lot of the accounts of this. No, he's one 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.800 of the earliest accounts chronolog or he's the first if 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.120 you take this in chronological order, he's the first one. 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:13.880 But after that he does kind of just disappear. Actually, George, 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:16.359 George was lucky too, kind of caught the critter in 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:19.200 a good mood. Based on the next story that we've got, 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:22.600 You're absolutely right, something about cars that sets this guy off. 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:25.200 Maybe I actually there's a song about it that really 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:28.039 says that. But we are going to move forward in 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:32.280 time again to a story that was told by seventeen 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:36.760 year old Christopher Davis. Christopher Davis was driving home from 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.159 work on the twenty ninth of June, so we're a 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.920 year forward, and this was the this is the most 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.520 this is the most most well known, most reported on 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:49.840 version of the story. It was about two in the 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.440 morning and he was driving home from work and he 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:56.800 blew attire near escape or Swamp. He stopped and he 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:59.880 changed the flat. But as he was putting everything back 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.160 into the car, back into the trunk of his car. 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:05.159 He said he heard a thumping sound behind him, and 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:07.960 when he turned around, he saw the lizard Man of 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.680 Skateboard Swamp, which he didn't know that's what it was 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.120 at the time about it at that time, but I 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.760 think George the bicyclist hadn't said anything at this time. 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:19.920 He had not. But so Christopher sees this thing running 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:22.960 towards him, and not surprisingly, he jumps into his car 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:27.480 and tries to flee. He said that he jumped into 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:30.040 his car and he shut the door, and he locked 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:33.280 the door, and the thing went for the handle. At 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:35.840 that point, he wanted out of there, so he turned 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:37.640 on the car and he hit the gas and he 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:42.080 drove away, and he said that it started to chase him, 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:46.040 and then eventually it jumped onto his car, onto the 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:49.040 roof of his vehicle, and he could see its fingers. 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:52.520 Threw the glass over the roof of the of the car. 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.160 Lizard Lizard Guy was on top of the car. Yeah, 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:01.600 supposedly he was doing forty miles when lizard Man was 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:05.960 able to climb upon his car. I'm guessing that Christopher 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:09.120 must have been then doing some evasive driving, swerving back 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.560 and forth, and must have at some point managed to 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:14.920 dump the lizard Man off of the car, because when 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:17.480 he got home he didn't have lizard Man on his vehicle. 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:21.720 But he did tell his parents what had happened, and 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:25.040 his car did have some damage. There were scratches on 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:28.840 the roof and the driver's side mirror was banged up. 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:34.240 And Chris's dad, yes, I was just thinking, how this 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.160 sounds like a really convenient cover up for him having 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:41.240 mashed his car up a little bit. We'll deal with 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:47.280 this with um. So. So Christopher's dad, prompted by later 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:51.360 reports of damage to vehicles, makes his son come forward 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:53.920 and tell his story. And he doesn't tell his story 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.760 for two weeks. It's it's full two weeks later before 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.640 Christopher's story comes out when he goes to the cops, 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.480 and you can see footage of him, uh, you know, 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:06.560 on local news telling his story. But when he tells 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:11.120 the cops what happened. Here's what his statement is. He says, 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:14.120 and I quote, I looked back and saw something running 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:16.760 across the field towards me. It was about twenty five 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.679 yards away, and I saw red glowing eyes. I ran 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:21.480 into the car, and as I locked at the thing 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:23.880 grabbed the door handle, I could see him from the 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:27.680 neck down, the three big fingers, long black nails, and 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:31.120 green rough skin. It was strong and angry. I looked 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:33.800 at my mirror and saw a blur of green running. 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:36.719 I could see his toes and then he and then 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:38.920 he jumped on the roof of my car. I thought 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:40.880 I heard a grunt, and then I could see his 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:44.400 fingers through the front windshield where they curled around on 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.000 the roof. I sped up and swerved to shake the 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:51.880 creature off. End quote, And as one of you observed 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:55.800 before we started Christopher story, his is the most widely 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:59.680 reported and the widely known version of the store or 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.600 the end story of the Lizard Man of Skateboard Swamp. 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:07.040 It's partially as Joe was talking about, we hear about 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:10.720 him instead of Holloman because Holloman didn't come forward. It 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:14.680 wasn't until this story and several others happened that Holloman 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.040 hit came forward. I think that might be why people 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:22.000 don't give him as much credit as maybe he's due. Yeah, 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:25.199 I can totally understand why he didn't say anything to anybody. Yeah, 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.000 because you know, they think you're nuts. And of course 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:28.959 I can totally understand why people would think, well, Halloman 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:31.119 just wants a little attention and he sort of piggybacking 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:34.360 on everybody else. Could have been that too, exactly. I 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.440 had said when we were talking about Christopher's dad having 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:39.640 him come forward, that there were other reports that had 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:43.320 prompted him to do so. Well. One of the events 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.280 that had prompted him to make his son come forward 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:52.960 took place on the fourteenth of July. There was a 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:57.199 couple named Tom and Mary Way, and they lived in Bishopville, 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:02.320 South Carolina, which is about ten plus miles from the swamp. 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.640 Actually depends from the center of the swamp. It depends 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:08.360 on the swamp is actually closer, you know. And yeah, 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:11.040 that's why I rounded it is about ten plus miles. 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:13.160 Just give her take, just depending on where in the 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:16.400 swamp the creator was. That morning, they were getting ready 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.240 to leave the house and Tom went outside while Mary 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.000 was busy doing I don't know what in the house, 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:24.760 but he came back in and he told her to 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:27.480 come outside and look at their Dodge minivan and the 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:30.640 swat had to keep their car. No, no, he didn't 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:34.000 keep their car, No, what did you do? The hood 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:37.600 and the front of the hood was all scratched up 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.920 and parts of it were pulled off. There were holes 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:44.240 all along the front edge of the hood. Uh, you know, 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:48.240 like teeth mark size holes. The wheel well of the 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:50.960 driver's side fender had suffered the same fate as the 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:52.719 front of the hood. It was tore up and it 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:56.120 had holes and scratches all over it. The molding had 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:59.320 been torn off as well. The hood ornament was gone, 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:03.280 and the in ten it was bent and reportedly, though 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:08.080 I've never seen anything really concrete on this, reportedly some 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.600 of the wires from the engine had been pulled out. 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:15.160 I don't, I don't. I've never seen anything where somebody said, yeah, 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:17.800 it's right, here's those wires. Unlike with the footage of 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:19.840 the van where they show the parts and pieces that 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:22.640 were chewed off. I don't know. It's hard to say. 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:24.920 I mean, it's it's it's impossible to do that unless 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:29.080 you open the hood. Um. Now, the on the on 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.720 the interviews that they've given, they say that there were 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:37.640 tufts of hair and blood and footprints around the van, 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:42.200 and that they had those taken in for testing and 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:47.200 casts were supposedly made tested them. Were these people and 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:50.920 the cops supposedly took them in for testing, But I 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:53.560 have never heard anything about them. And the only image 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.400 that I've ever seen that maybe looked like blood on 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:58.800 the hood of the van also looked like it could 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:03.000 have been dried pay ain't. I don't know, but there's 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.800 definitely there's the hood is definitely chewed up, and the 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.840 wheel well is definitely chewed up. I mean, when they 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.320 looked at it, somebody's like, well, it's obviously that that 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:15.560 an animal has been chewing on the molding of your vehicle. 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:20.839 What kind of animal, well, obviously a lizard. Apparently, what 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:24.440 else would do that? They do love metal, It's true, 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:29.559 they do a cat. From from that point forward, there's 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.440 a lot of stories of the lizard Man. During that 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:35.280 year or so, there wasn't even a year. It's like 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:37.280 a summer, like a couple of months over the summer 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.400 right there. There were some more, but it seems like 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:42.199 the bulk of them were in a fairly short period, 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.120 and like the summer of all. Yeah, there was there 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:46.080 was some in the summer, then some in the winter, 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:48.960 some in the spring, and then it really kind of 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.000 started to taper off. It was about a year that 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:55.440 there was reports coming in. Now, the damage to vehicles 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.440 really only happened during the summer because there were people 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:02.000 who were parking around skateboard swamp and coming back to 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.800 their car and finding it all scratched up and punctured. 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:09.400 But that that only really happened during that summer from 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:14.559 about July forward, but the lizard Man continued to be reported. 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:18.360 There were a footprints found around these vehicles and casts 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:20.400 were taken of it, and you always see it reported 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:25.040 is and the feet were fourteen inches long, which sounds 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:27.200 big in theory until you think about the fact that 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:30.800 I wear a size nine boot, and my size nine 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:32.760 boot when you slap a ruler next to it, is 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:36.560 twelve inches long. So they're not actually that huge defeat. 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.280 They're they're big if they're from a critter like that, 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:45.280 but they're not. But they're they're not gigantically insanely huge, 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:50.760 is my point. NBA player could have been could have 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:55.160 been anything. Yeah. Now, the media went really really crazy 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.200 with the lizard Man. They had a lot of fun 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.480 with him, and they were reporting on him all over 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:03.280 for a while. I'll but as we talked about things 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.560 kind of died down, and then two years later, a 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:10.360 woman named Bertha Blinders said that she and her children 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:14.520 were were driving near scape or Swamp when a huge 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:18.480 figure figure lunge at the car from out of nowhere. 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.880 And then after that there were sporadic reports, but you know, 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.280 like I said, things had kind of tapered off from 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:27.320 what they had been. In the summer of eight people 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:32.000 were still reporting seeing the creature. Occasionally cars were being 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:37.400 scratched up and blamed on the lizard Man. And just 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.160 so we kind of get an idea, the reports are 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.800 usually the same, They're very very similar to one another. 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:46.760 They always report a creature that is somewhere between seven 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:50.840 to eight feet tall. They always say that the skin 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:56.920 is green, greenish brown, brownish colored, like there's this whole 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:00.160 green to brown spectrum that you see it described did 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.200 people also said it was like kind of furry to 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:08.600 you do occasionally see that always has three fingers and 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:12.840 three toes with that. But that's a big staple of 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:16.680 this story. Um. I think a lot of people might 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:19.680 actually be familiar with the lizard Man of Skateboard Swamp 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:22.360 and not realize it, and that is because of a 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:28.480 report that was made. Back in August, there was a 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:30.840 woman who said she saw the lizard Man of Skateboard 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:33.720 Swamp while she was stepping out of the back door 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.200 of her church, and that she took a picture of 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.880 it with her cell phone, and that picture was picked 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:44.720 up by I would say, a very very reputable, reputable 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:49.520 news source, the Daily Mail, our favorite, our favorite, And 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:53.600 if you look at this image, it's I mean, this 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:58.680 thing is buff, this lizard is this I mean, Marvel 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.840 and d C don't draw that kind of definition on 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.760 their characters. Things just bulky and it looks like the 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:10.440 incredible Hulk with a tail that even The Mail made 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:12.960 fun of him. Yeah, I mean everybody did. But there 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.240 was also a video that came out right after that 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.119 of somebody who said that they saw a lizard man 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:23.000 creature from a distance, you know, moving around in the swamp. 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.800 And if you watch that video, it's just a blurry 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:31.639 video of somebody way far away. And is it human? 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:35.000 Is it a creature? Like, there's no way to tell 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:38.159 it really is. It looks like it's probably humanoid, But 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:40.280 as far as it being a lizard man, you can't 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:42.200 even tell how big it is or small or whatever. 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:47.520 It's a little suspicious, so just a just a little bit, 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:53.080 just a little so that in a nutshell, that's the 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:56.520 lizard Man escape or swamp Um. You know, the locals 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.439 love him. They think he's great. There's songs about him. 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:02.320 There's teach shirts and mugs and hats. I actually gotta 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.400 get one of those. But but there's not a whole 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:09.520 lot other than that stuff. Back in there's really not 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:13.800 been any any really good reputable sightings. Um. You know, 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:16.360 the the video is always crappy or you can tell 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:20.280 they're really staged videos. I've watched some of them that 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.399 looked like somebody had gotten ahold of a knockoff of 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:27.240 the creature the Black Lagoon costume, and we're walking around 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:32.399 in the dark. It's on shaky ground, swampy, unmussy ground. 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:37.080 You could say that. Yeah, I think, real quick, we 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:41.080 should probably watch the video just to see what this 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:44.840 guy looks like. So well, we're watching that. Let's take 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:51.320 a quick break and then we'll go to theories. Now 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:53.199 it's time for a listener mail. If we got an 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:57.360 email here from Bob and Esta, California, Derek Team's Sideways, 0:18:57.680 --> 0:18:59.240 I would really like it if you would take at 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:02.840 least six can talk about your sponsor Blue Apron. I 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:07.040 find them really fascinating. Please say something about them. Well, Bob, 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.000 that's a good question, and I gotta tell you, you know, 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:11.959 I have a lot to say about Blue Apron and 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:14.480 all that's good of course. Uh. You know, now home 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:16.800 cooking is available for all of us thanks to them, 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:18.720 because before you had to go to the store, it's 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:22.920 been hours, literally hours shopping around for all these little 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:26.639 esoteric things like you know, butter and milk, you know, 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:28.840 things you've never heard of, in order to put together 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:31.359 a nice home cooked meal. And now they just send 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:34.080 that stuff straight to your door and it's already measured 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:36.359 out for you and everything, and you can cook a 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:39.560 really good meal really easily. And they're they're they're saying 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:41.520 like forty minutes, which you know, for me would be 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:44.159 like more like three hours through them going now with 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:47.800 Blue Apron, you can prepare delicious, really memorable meals for yourself. 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:49.879 Let me list some of the meals here that are 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:52.200 available in this march. We've got two more weeks left. 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:56.159 There's sam and picada with ore zone, broccoli, park chops 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:59.000 with miso butter, and buck choy and Maritted Apple. So 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:01.640 check out this week's and you get your first three meals. 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.720 That's three meals free with free shipping by going to 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:08.800 blue Apron dot com slash thinking. And you'll love how 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:11.800 good it feels and tastes to become this incredible whole 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.160 chef that you never thought you could be. So don't wait. 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:21.159 That's blue Apron dot com slash thinking. Dude, that was 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:23.440 so real. I'm telling you, it was the real deal. 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:25.760 I gotta go change my underwear. Excuse me for a moment. 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:30.359 Let's take a break. The subtimes the subtitle or of 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:34.199 this episode is Joe have to change the underwear. That's right, 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:39.919 constantly Joe's obsession with underwear. Are they uncomfortable today? So? 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:42.960 I mean, are you okay? Do we really need to policy? 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:44.719 You can change them? You know. That's a great thing 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:46.800 about these mysteries there is They're so scary. It gives 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:48.720 me a great excuse to change my underwear, which I 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:54.200 rarely do wash them. All right, well, let's go into theories. 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:59.080 Theory Number one is that the Lizardman escapeboard Swamp is real. 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.919 I'm sorry no. According to the Internet, a lot of 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:08.439 people believe that the lizard Man could be real. Apparently 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:11.600 something of the population of America also think that the 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:15.560 moon landing is fake. So well, larger portion believe in 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:18.800 in Bigfoot. So I mean there's a lot of things 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:24.120 that people believe in. And perhaps let's let's get back 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:27.520 to the lizard Man. Yeah, okay, and then we'll talk 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:31.160 about Shoopy later. Um, so let's let's explore this a bit. 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:33.399 And I know that you are probably gonna have to 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:36.000 do the same thing as I, which is set aside 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:39.280 the disbelief because of the fact that, you know, you 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:42.199 would think that something this big couldn't have gone undetected 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:45.040 for this long. But let's just set it aside. Yeah, 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:47.480 I mean, they find like giant whales that have been 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:51.399 living in freshwater seas all the time they have. They 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:53.679 have found new species out there, although, like you know, 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:56.320 usually that in the middle of the ocean two miles 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:58.919 down or in the middle of nowhere where nobody is. 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:01.359 I just saw the thing the other day where they 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:05.520 found a boa constrictor that they thought had been extinct 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:08.680 for fifty or sixty years, and they're like, what, what, 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:11.119 well these things are here. I'm just waiting for them 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:14.600 to find the Dodo. It's out there. It's out there. 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:17.960 I believe you find the Dodo and then it's immediately 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:21.639 gonna walk into a fan book. Yeah probably Sorry, Okay, 0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:24.080 so let's put aside artic belief and listen to this. 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:27.000 It's real thing. Okay. So, however, bunk it maybe. So 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:31.000 if you think about it, South Carolina, it's not the 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:35.760 most densely populated state in the Union. It's the four 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:41.040 most populated as of the census, and it's a decently 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:47.560 sized state. So it's half populated. Yes, wait no, um 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:51.919 and Skateboard Swamp is part of a tributary of the 0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:54.760 pad River. And if you look at the whole area, 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:57.119