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Speaker 1: and welcome again to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I

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Speaker 1: am Steve as usual, joined by Devin Joe, and once

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Speaker 1: again we have a mystery to share with you. Are

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Speaker 1: it's been a long time since we've got a cryptod.

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Speaker 1: So I decided it was to do a cryptod. I

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Speaker 1: its part time, you'd think it was a crocodile if

427
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: you salt the water until it stood up. No, it's

428
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: more man than lizard. Yes, it is very humanoid. Yeah,

429
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: I mean the accounts vary on the look of its face,

430
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: like we talked about, you know in earlier it's got

431
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: the red eyes. But the accounts vary from person to

432
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: person is to what its body shape is. But it's

433
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: always humanoid. It's just that three toes and the three

434
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:52,479
Speaker 1: fingers are the one of the common defining characteristics. After that,

435
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: it's all over the map. I should be noted. I

436
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: don't mean, maybe you mentioned that not everybody has seen

437
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: the tail that which doesn't mean that he doesn't have

438
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: but not every witness reported him having a tail. It's

439
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 1: very true. Not everybody says that. So either it's a

440
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: rather small, stumpy tail, or it doesn't have one, or

441
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 1: it could have been the angle they just saw from

442
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: the front and didn't see the tail. Maybe I don't know,

443
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah. But there is the

444
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: weird thing about the difficulty I have with this theory

445
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: of it being real is there are no reptiles that

446
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: are known to be or even appear to be humanoid um,

447
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 1: even even the big ones, you know, I mean you

448
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: think about like gators or the Komodo dragon, like those

449
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: things can they will stand on two legs to to

450
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: reach up to grab food, but they don't. They're not mobile, right,

451
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't get around that way. So it's

452
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: a little weird that suddenly we've got something that is

453
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: human proportion in terms of torso and legs and our arms,

454
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: but is a lizard. That's that's the weird thing is

455
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: that we don't see this evolutionarily anywhere else. Do you

456
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: see things like the velociraptor which was standing their hind

457
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: legs but they're not humanoids shaped though, and the two

458
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: arms and they were dying and maybe it's something like

459
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: that that is some kind of weird hold over like

460
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 1: the turtle. It's still a dinosaur. But well so, one

461
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: thing that's also interesting is and we I asked this

462
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 1: specifically to be able to talk about this, is they

463
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: keep saying it's got three toes or fingers, right, that's

464
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: very rare in the reptile world. Most reptiles have five

465
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: fingers and toesch hand so yeah, five digits. So, I

466
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: mean even like crocodiles, even you know, chameleons have the

467
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: like weird pinchey three things, but lizards have five. I mean,

468
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's really rare to find a reptile that's

469
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: got three, and so it's weird. I mean, if you

470
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: see the picture that was taken, he's got three fingers,

471
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: but he's also what has what might be a fourth finger,

472
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: looks looks like actually an opposable thumb. I'm sorry, my

473
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: mistake from that very legitimate my mistake, but still, I mean,

474
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: even you know, four versus three verses five mean, yeah,

475
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: it is a little strange. It's weird, but actually it's

476
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: not unheard of. If you watch The Simpsons, they have

477
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: three fingers, that's true. The hard hitting documentary of the

478
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: Simpsons Futurama also they have three Okay, yeah, I don't know.

479
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: That just bothers me a lot. That does well. And

480
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: also I've seen the I've seen a photograph of the

481
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: plaster cast that was taken on the print, and it's um.

482
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: You can see the heel on the ball. It looks

483
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: more like it was meant to be a human rather

484
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: than But we'll just say that most of the foot

485
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: was okay, but then it's got four toes on it.

486
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: The three it's just three. It's that white cast, but

487
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: they look like their wires with balls on the end.

488
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 1: We're used to create the impression. That's the way it

489
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: looked like to me, the toes to me looked like

490
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,719
Speaker 1: it looked like they'd used two large rocks to make

491
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: the heel on the ball and then basically use like sticks,

492
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: like because the toes that are remarkably cylindrical, Yeah they are. Okay,

493
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: that's okay, Devins showing me a picture of another set

494
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: of plaster casts. So there's one that I liked at

495
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: that were even different from that, and they were to

496
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: it's yeah, yeah, there's there's and see that's and here's

497
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: the thing, every every cast, if we're gonna get into

498
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: the well, there's some problems with this being a real

499
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: Every one of the cast that you see is different,

500
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: like that, the feet are always different. And whereas one

501
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: it looks like the toes are just slapped on top,

502
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: the next one they look like they're dug in but

503
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: like they're pitched in the ground. Like it's really really

504
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: really inconsistent, which if this was supposed to be a

505
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: real critter, it should look somewhat the same. Now that

506
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, there could have been a family, some adults,

507
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: some kids, I mean, And of course footprints are going

508
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: to differ depending on if you're say walking or tiptoeing

509
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: or running, and they're gonna look a lot different. But

510
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: but there's some general issues in terms of there's not

511
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: even and to me, the one that I saw that

512
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: had the toes that looked like they were made from sticks.

513
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: They were cylindrical. I've never seen toes that were like

514
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: that looked like that. Yeah, yeah, well, you know, this

515
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: whole thing could just be a product of genetic engineering

516
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: and manipulation, and maybe that's what it is. Is this

517
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: is something from the isle of Dr Moreau and we

518
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: just don't get it. Well, yeah, I mean, is there

519
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: like a large corporation and you know anywhere nearby that

520
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: you know it's conducting hideous experiments and you should shoe.

521
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: I'm ashamed of you. You should know better. There would

522
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: be no way that we would know. That would be

523
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: some secret organization being billed as I don't know, a

524
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: gas provider or something like that. No, it's usually like

525
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: a gas facility or like a plant or yeah, a

526
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: telephone company, so it has a reason to draw huge

527
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: amounts of electricity and fuels. Yeah, but they've got a

528
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: huge underground lab. Yeah, okay, it was. But I also

529
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: haven't heard that the lizard man loves egos, so I'm

530
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: not I don't think he's probably Okay, that's that's a

531
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: good reason. All right. Let's move on to our next theory,

532
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: which is lizard Man a total fake. Yeah, total fake.

533
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: So this this theory is that, according to the theory,

534
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: that this thing is totally bumpus, And there's some things

535
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: about it that makes me think that it could be.

536
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: There's a lot of there's a lot of little towns

537
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: around this country that have strange creatures that reside near them,

538
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: and those strange creatures seem to be one of the

539
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: things things that are economically keeping them afloat through the

540
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: sales of T shirts, hats, coffee mugs, and any other

541
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: paraphernalia that happens to have said critter plastered on it,

542
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: but also tourism. Yeah, well that's exactly it is. That

543
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: it's you're selling those things. You're drawing people in, and

544
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: drawing in just the kind of people you want to

545
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: draw in, that's for sure. Yeah. And I'm not saying

546
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: that this is done intentionally. Like let's take Christopher for example,

547
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: Christopher Davis. I think that he may have believed that

548
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: he saw something and then others took it and ran

549
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: with it and then saw what a freaking gold mine

550
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: it was. And that's why then people start adding to

551
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: the story and there's copycats. I mean, there was a

552
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: guy who was caught putting on a rubber lizard man

553
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: costume and eight like it, blatantly spoofing the whole thing. Yeah,

554
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: I don't even know that that if you know the

555
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: answer of this, But was anybody actually living in the swamp?

556
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: I I know that there are residences in the area,

557
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: but I don't know about actually inside of the swamp.

558
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: I couldn't answer that. Yeah, I don't know that anybody could.

559
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the kind of that's the part of

560
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: this country where there are there are probably some people

561
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: who have lived there for generation and are actually living

562
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: in swamps and people yeah maybe yeah, maybe those people

563
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: want to be like, you know, scare everybody else away

564
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: and keep them out of the swamp. Yeah. Yeah. And

565
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: then and I actually kind of backfired on him because

566
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: what happened is it generated all this interest and next

567
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: thing you know, there's like there's like hundreds of hunters

568
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: like going through the swamp, like trying to track down

569
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: a hunt that shoot the swampman, and so all their

570
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: privacy they wanted because they were probably growing pot or something,

571
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: and all the privacy that they wanted, well, it just

572
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: went away entirely. And so there's no it's no wonder

573
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: that the leisure men went away too, because they thought,

574
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: oh crap, this is to totally backfired on us. So

575
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: I guess regarding Christopher, though, I maintained that, you know,

576
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: that's something I would have done when I was seventeen,

577
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: if I had been like driving a little too fast

578
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: on a back country road, popped a tire and run

579
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: off the road and damaged my car. I replaced the tire,

580
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: come up with a really convincing story about an alien

581
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: mutant dude he chased me. I wouldn't I would also

582
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: not make up a story like that, But I don't know.

583
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: It doesn't It wouldn't surprise me if it just happened

584
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: that he did some damage to his car and was

585
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: trying to cover it up. Yeah, you know, maybe he

586
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: if he was drunk or stoned or something like that,

587
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 1: and you know, went home. He could have been like,

588
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: you know what, this is the best idea ever. My

589
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: parents will definitely buy this, And at first they were

590
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: like no, but then other reports came out. What I what?

591
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: What is amazing to me is that lizard Man if

592
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: it's if indeed it's a hoax and it is all

593
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: stems from Christopher's story. It is amazing to me that

594
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: lizard Man became lizard Man based on the drawing that

595
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: he made, because listen, draw what you saw, and what

596
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: he drew was a three toed, three fingered thing that

597
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: looks like an alien, and it really does. It's got

598
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: the bug eyes and the and the head shaped like

599
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: it totally looks like it's a gray and it doesn't

600
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: have the tiny little alien body builder version. No, it's

601
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: actually not. His one was is kind of potato shaped

602
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: with a tiny little head and real spindley arms and

603
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: arms and legs, very spindly long arms and stuff. Not

604
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: not athletic looking at all. I have this great like

605
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 1: this is a great little scene running through my head

606
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: where they're like, alright, son, draw what you saw and

607
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: he draws in and they're like no, no, no no. He's like, yeah,

608
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 1: it looks like an alien and they're like, no, Son,

609
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: you're crazy. It could have been a lizard, but not

610
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: an alien. What color was it? It? Was scaly. Yeah,

611
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 1: there's a lizard and that's just where the story came from.

612
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I mean, I'm just I'm I'm sorry. I'm

613
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: kind of making fun of this whole thing. I understand that,

614
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: but but you know this, I mean, if we're in

615
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: the hoax part, there's another problem with the whole story

616
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: of the lizard Man, and that is that Christopher and

617
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: subsequent people since then have said that the eyes glowed

618
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: red when lights hit them. Then, well, it is surprising

619
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: because most creatures that have eyes that reflect light, you

620
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: like cats and dogs and stuff like that, it's usually

621
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: a yellow or maybe kind of a greenish or in amber.

622
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: But red is not, like you know, the glowing red eyes.

623
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: Red is not a color that formally reflects. Literally, just

624
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: almost hit a skunk lass night, and its eyes were

625
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 1: red as it looked at me terrified. Are you being serious? Yeah,

626
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 1: I'm being serious. No, I was writing my yeah, ok, yeah,

627
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: there's skunks that live in my neighborhood. But I mean,

628
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: you know possums as well, they have little red eyes,

629
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: but they're not red. They may be oranges, but they're

630
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: not red. And this, this this story makes it out

631
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: to be that they were, it always says glowing red eyes. Okay,

632
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 1: but in fairness, if somebody were like, what color eyes

633
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: were that skunks, I would say they were glowing red.

634
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be like, I don't know, they were a

635
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: subtle shade of amber, a red, right, I mean, like

636
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 1: that's what I would say. I'm sorry that doesn't make sense,

637
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't. I mean, I wouldn't, and I know

638
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: what a subtle shade of amber looks like. But you know,

639
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: if you're scared, you say they were red. But you know,

640
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: the thing is. Christopher also says he saw this thing

641
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: in his tail lights as he was driving away, which

642
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: would make me think that it's the lights on the

643
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: back of his car coloring it. The same thing with George.

644
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: He said that, you know, car drove by and the

645
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,959
Speaker 1: eyes turned red. Could have been the tail lights again,

646
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: and so like the just the the the the idea

647
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: that the red eyes, that's that's really We're actually wrong

648
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: about the color of this thing too, right, because they've

649
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: all it's only been seen in red light. So what

650
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: color do you think he actually is? If you see

651
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: like a greenish brown in red light? Color theory? Do

652
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: do do? Well? Let me just pull out my handy

653
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: dandy color wheel. You don't have one, not on my

654
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 1: back pocket. Sorry. Okay, So I think there's some other

655
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: actually better theories than there. Actually there are some other

656
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: theories here or not. I'm actually managed to squeeze four

657
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: theories out of this story. Yeah, this next one is

658
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: my favorite one. So the next theory is that lizard

659
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: man isn't a lizard. Lizardman is another animal entirely. And

660
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: I spent a fair a bit of time thinking about

661
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: what George and Christopher had said they had seen, if

662
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: indeed their stories are real, and the only thing that

663
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: I could come up with besides this we talked about

664
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: a little bit before of drugs or alcohol is a bear? Yeah,

665
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: and South Carolina they do. And I think everybody knows

666
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: that bears cannon will walk on their hind legs, especially

667
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: if they're suffering from like mange or something that's affecting. Well,

668
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: the thing is, it depends on the animal. But you

669
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: remember Petals. There was that bear and I think he

670
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: was in California, was Petals or I don't member where

671
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: Petals was at, but he was a bear whose front

672
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: or front legs had been damaged in some way and

673
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: the only way he could get around was to walk

674
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: on his hind legs, and he walked everywhere like he

675
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: was known in the area. Well, and there was that

676
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: only getting around that way, And there was that bear recently.

677
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: It was like a really sick sun bear. And I

678
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: think they were like, yes, and its skin looks kind

679
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: of scaly because it was just like dry. And if

680
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: there were a bear that had contracted something that was

681
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: damned ng its skin pause included, you know, it would

682
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: be walking around and on hind legs and look kind

683
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: of scaly, but also have some fur and looey and

684
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: probably attack things that are big in its territory. And

685
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: if anybody hasn't done this, so the bulk of this

686
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 1: theory is that it is indeed a sick bear with mange.

687
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: And if you have not seen a picture of a

688
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: bear with mange before, it is nightmare inducing. And I

689
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: want everybody to pause the podcast unless you're driving, at

690
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: which point get your destination before you do this. No,

691
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: just slam on your brakes. Why shouldn't you do that

692
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: to them? Um? But google image search bear with Maine

693
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: and they are freakish looking and it is really scary,

694
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: and I could see how something looking like that could

695
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 1: scare the holy hell out of somebody. And in the dark,

696
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: especially you know, if it's rab rabbit isn't the right word,

697
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: but if it's angry and it's upset and it's cranky

698
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: and it comes after you, like, I could see how

699
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: that would scare the living daylights out of you and

700
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: you wouldn't know what you were looking at. And and

701
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 1: and the black bears they have they're actually can they

702
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: don't usually, but they can't get quite large. Yeah, it's

703
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: it's not unheard of at all. I mean. And if

704
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: you think about these things, if if there's one of

705
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: these living in the swamp, well, I mean, if it's

706
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: a bear in the swamp in general, we can look

707
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 1: at this two ways. If it's not sick, but it's

708
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: swimming around in and brackish water, you know, sucky water

709
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: that's full of organic material that could stain it, or

710
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: it could it's for or it could just have that

711
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: on it when it stands up to make it look greenish.

712
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: And you know, animals can get stained by their environment.

713
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: Did you guys see the cheeto colored alligator the other

714
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: day that I put like that stuff happens or sorry,

715
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: just to toss out there, um, albino animals do happen.

716
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: So if it were a white animal but be more

717
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: prone to sdaining, they're looking dirty and weird. Yeah, I

718
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: mean so so this does happen. Um And then you know,

719
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: like I said, if it's if it's then actually got

720
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: maine and it's in that environment and those things are

721
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: affecting the color of it that would make its skin

722
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: look that weird greenish brownish. They not look like bears

723
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: when they have when they don't have fur, they just

724
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: don't know, they look like some weird nightmare animal. The

725
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: only one that I saw that looked like a bear

726
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: was an actual cub, like little eat bad cute cub.

727
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: Except for also, like if you after you look at

728
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: it for a second, it took. Yeah, you look at

729
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 1: it and you're like and then you're like, oh, yeah,

730
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: I know that's a bear. I see I can see

731
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: it now. I mean they really don't they really they

732
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: can really be really scary and yeah, and if you

733
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: think about the damage that was done to parked ours,

734
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: if you look at the images of the that Dodge

735
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: van that was chewed up, and then you look at

736
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: some of the other stuff that was done. Like, the

737
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: only thing in that area besides somebody having what's a

738
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: really big what's the great like a Great Dane or

739
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: something that really had a chewing problem. A bear is

740
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 1: the only thing that I can think of that could

741
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: punch through the hood of the front of the hood

742
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: of a vehicle and tear the molding off and chew

743
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: up the metal like. It's the only thing I can

744
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: really think of that would be able to do that.

745
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 1: Kind of dog. I've never seen any dog, big or small,

746
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: attack a car before and try to chew on it.

747
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: Oh hold on, Yeah, Devon is showing us a picture

748
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: of a car fender that is being chewed apart by

749
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: a rather large dog. I would say it's like a

750
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 1: feral dog. Yeah, But but again that that's that's a

751
00:42:53,960 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: fairly decent sized dog that windshield wipers too. But to

752
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: go for the minivan m to get the hood like

753
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: it did and to chew all that up, that's a

754
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: taller animal. It's a weird angle for a dog to

755
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: be up at. So yes, it could be a dog. No,

756
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I've seen the kind of damage

757
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: that bears can do. Two things, and they I mean

758
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: they are strong and huge, sharp claws, sharp claws, although

759
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: again I wouldn't necessarily say that it's healthy behavior from

760
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: a healthy, stable animal. But again, if we're talking an

761
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: animal that's suffering, um, you know, especially do weird things

762
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: to try to relieve the but where they get confused.

763
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: But I also they're hungry because they're sick and they're

764
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: they can't really go out and do their you know,

765
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: feed themselves. Not yeah, I mean or you know, a minivan,

766
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: Like was their food in the minivan? I mean, like

767
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: I've seen apartment, you know, the front engine area. Was

768
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: there an animal that crawled in there and the bear

769
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: was trying to get out? I mean, like I've seen,

770
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: like there are pictures out there. That's a good point

771
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: because these people. If you watched the video of the

772
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: interview of the lady, she talks about the what was

773
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 1: her name, I think Way was her last name. Yeah,

774
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: But one of the things that she talks about is Mary.

775
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: That's what it is. Mary says that she looked out

776
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: the window and they had seven cats who all lived

777
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: on their front porch, and all their blankets and pillows

778
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: were spread everywhere, and there were no more cats. All

779
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 1: the cats were gone, so that's a good point, Devin.

780
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: It may have been going after a cat that had

781
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: crawled up into the engine compartment the high Yeah. It

782
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: could also be that they converted it to run on

783
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: like vegetable oil and they were getting their oil from McDonald's.

784
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: It's not smelled like French fries, not in the eighties.

785
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: Doesn't like French fries. That's a modern hippie thing, not

786
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: a yeah. I mean, overall, there are a lot of

787
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: reasons that this could have happened, and it's I like

788
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: this theory a lot, especially again, especially with this timeframe,

789
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: to like in a six month year. I mean, you know,

790
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: for me, what that sounds like is like there was

791
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: a yearling bear who was out trying to like make

792
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: its own little patch of territory territory, thank you, uh,

793
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: you know, and he was sick and so he was

794
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: there and then he died, probably because he was so sick,

795
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: and so you know, they petered off. But that's you know,

796
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 1: that seems like about the time of year where those

797
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: bears have to go off and fend for themselves. So

798
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: I would explain why it wasn't happening really before and

799
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: didn't happen. I mean, or it could have just been

800
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: a bear looking for territory that happened to come through

801
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: the area and was sick for whatever reason. I mean,

802
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 1: there's a million ways it could happen. Even animals can

803
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,439
Speaker 1: go insane too, not just people that go nuts. Yeah,

804
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if you ever seen the poor polar bears

805
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: at the zoos sometimes like, yeah, it's not happy. No,

806
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: except for the ones with the Oregon Zoo. Those are

807
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 1: the ones I'm talking about. Okay, doak Well, we've done

808
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: enough talking about bears. We've talked about lizards. Now let's

809
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: talk about reptilians, because that's our next theory. Like the

810
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: like the like the reptilian. Yeah okay, because now it's

811
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: time to go to crazy town, boys and girls. Does

812
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: anybody remember back during the election, before Ted Cruz was

813
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: believed to be the Zodiac killer, he was believed to

814
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: be a lizard man. Yeah, okay, Well for those of

815
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: you who don't, don't worry about it. You're better off

816
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: not knowing. I just want to read you, guys a

817
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: quote that's pertinent to this um quote. As twelve million

818
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: Americans know, the U. S. Government is run by lizard

819
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: people or to be scientifically accurate, reptilians who said that

820
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: I don't know some people in the Atlantic because it's

821
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: it's pertinent. Ye okay, well, I mean you know, twelve people,

822
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: twelve million people know this. It's gonna be real. Yeah,

823
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 1: it's it's totally a well guarded secret. So as Devon

824
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: has just still just let us know, there are people

825
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: in this world who believe that our government is run

826
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: by a super secret race of reptilians. The entire world

827
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: is our governments, our human governments, our entire global economy

828
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,479
Speaker 1: and governments. It's all run by this super secret race

829
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: of these reptilian creatures that live in underground bases all

830
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: over the world. And by the way, they're able to

831
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: change their shape at will, so they are shape shifters.

832
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: They happen to be about seven or eight foot tall,

833
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: which is rather convenient. Um, and they've managed to infiltrate

834
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: all of the highest levels of government and industry and

835
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: that they're they're in control. Yeah. Actually they the documentary

836
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: TV show from the BBC um Doctor who did an

837
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: episode on this. Yeah, but unfortunately they don't that that

838
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 1: species that they exposed can't shift. They have to fit

839
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: into space suits basically that are just human shape. Are

840
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 1: the ones that have the weird sucker arms. No, well,

841
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: let's let's go back to reality here talking about the

842
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: real reptilian. Well, the thing about it is the I

843
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 1: mean the reptilians too, they're not necessarily shaped shifters like say,

844
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: werewolves and things like that. If you're possessed of that

845
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 1: kind of alien technology, you can have a holographic projector

846
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: that can actually alter your appearance radically, Yeah, and make

847
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: you look like a human view however they're going about it.

848
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: They are changing their appearance from a seven to eight

849
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: foot tall reptile creature cruise into Ted Crew Obama and

850
00:48:54,280 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: Obama and Margaret Thatcher in the Queen of England, and

851
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: that's why she's living so long. That's how she's lived

852
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: so long. Okay, So it turns out that the idea

853
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: of reptilian humanoids, it's not it's not that old of

854
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: an idea to purposes. It came about with the UFOs.

855
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: Before that, like, reptiles were not part of any kind

856
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 1: of really robust lore. There wasn't a real good laura

857
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: around them. Yeah, it's crazy how conspiracy theories seemed to

858
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: have only come around after we got really comfortable in

859
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: life yet mass media. Yeah so so the it happened

860
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 1: around the forties. The UFO craze and the reptilians didn't

861
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: really get attribute or reptilian creatures, humanoid creatures didn't really

862
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: get the level of power associated with them that they

863
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: we see today until the eight nineties, when a guy

864
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,720
Speaker 1: by the name of David Ike published a book called

865
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: The Robots Rebellion. Yeah. Now, for people who don't know

866
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: David Ike, he in the seventies was a writer, and

867
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: then through the eighties he was on the BBC on

868
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: a couple of different programs, and then at some point

869
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: in the eighties, it was right around the late eighties

870
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: or early nineties, he had an awakening. Well, I was

871
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: gonna say he took a turn around the bend, but

872
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: you were probably putting it much nicer than I am.

873
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: He went on to another show at which point he

874
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: told everybody that he was actually the son of God

875
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: and that the world would end that year. Yeah. I

876
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: he went around the band or he just decided there

877
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: was more money in that kind of stuff, and as

878
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: of today, the world has not yet ended. So I'm

879
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: not sure exactly what happened there. Well, he's obviously a

880
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: reasonable list. He's not the first person of predicting the

881
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: end of the world. No, he's not. He's not. But

882
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: so apparently, what what Ike does is in the late

883
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: eighties and early nineties, he starts talking and then writing

884
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: about a lot of different things, like automatic writing and

885
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: messages that he's he's he's getting like psychic experiences that

886
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: he's having about that stuff. I've said on more than

887
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 1: one occasion that I'm skeptical about that stuff. I gotta

888
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: tell you about automatic writing. Now, there's times I sat down,

889
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: like to say, even write a script for this episode,

890
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: and I'll a little later looked out at the page

891
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: what I've written and is that's just a bunch of

892
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: tasteless crap. Uh, you know, And so I know what happens.

893
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: So to clarify what is automatic writing? Automatic writing is

894
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: where you put down the pen and you don't try

895
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: to write anything. It's at least the way I understand

896
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: automatic writing. And then your hand, as if possessed by

897
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: another being, begins to write things where it says red rum,

898
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: red rum killing your wife. You will get the insurance

899
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: nobody will figure it out. Yeah, mailor this letter. Now

900
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: it's okay. So I know I can tell you that

901
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: mine always looks like gibberish because it's not actual words.

902
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: Well it's worth it's just not in your language. So

903
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: that's another being here. Dude, Ike starts doing this and

904
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: he starts having these experiences. Is he writing books in

905
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: automatic writing? Because if so, I have a lucrative new

906
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: business opportunity. So he what puts him on the map

907
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: as he's doing this stuff, and then he begins to

908
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: believe that there is a large alien force controlling our

909
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: world governments. And he begins to come up with his

910
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: theories about the reptilians and their shape shifting abilities, and

911
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: he starts writing books about it over time. You know,

912
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a footnote in the early nineties

913
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: in his books, and then it becomes more and more

914
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: and more. Yes, by the way, as a side note,

915
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: have either of you looked at this is the funniest thing.

916
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: I love Wikipedia sometimes for the drawings that are on there.

917
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: Have you looked at the reptilian drawings on Wikipedia? Reptiliens

918
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: for the reptilients I control? So don't worry about don't

919
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: don't google this, den I'm going to describe this. There

920
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: is a reptilian creature that is a nice outline and

921
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: got some gills, and then there's a humanoid man human

922
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 1: man standing next to it in the same line drawing style.

923
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: And what I want to know is why they decided

924
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: that they had to include genitals on the human man

925
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: but nothing like that on the reptilian. Reptiles don't have

926
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: external because humans do. I didn't need to see the guys.

927
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: It's the weirdest thing to include. But a lot of

928
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,959
Speaker 1: questions about there's a lot of questions about that. But

929
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: but I'll be honestly listen. I does some he says

930
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: some things, he makes some claims, He does a lot

931
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: of things, and I don't even begin to understand. I mean,

932
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: I've watched videos and and reads a little bit of

933
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: his stuff, and I'm not tracking with it. So to

934
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: give him his due and to try and give a

935
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: third party explanation of what David I thinks, I've found

936
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: something that is uh, it's a modified synopsis of his

937
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: belief And so I'm gonna just read from Wikipedia or

938
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: where is it from? This is from some other news

939
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 1: articles stuff it's a conglomeration of stuff. So this says

940
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: quote I argues that the the humanity has been genetically manipulated

941
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: by the Babylonian Brotherhood, a hybrid race of human extraterrestrial reptilians,

942
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: all so known as the Illuminati. He briefly in introduced

943
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: the extraterrestrial hypothesis in his book The Robots Rebellion, and

944
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: expanded it in and the Truth Sell Set You and

945
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: the Truth Shall Set You Free, uh, citing some other books,

946
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: and then in The Biggest Secret, which he published in

947
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: I identified the Brotherhood as descendants of reptilians from the

948
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: constellation Draco who live in caverns inside the earth. They

949
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: are the deities known as the I'm gonna butcher this

950
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: Anunaki in the Babylonian creation myth accurate pronunciation. So why

951
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: do they live with caverns? Do they like it down there?

952
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 1: I'm guessing it has to do something with the fact

953
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 1: that they're reptiles. I have no idea why they live

954
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: in caves. Yeah, So the theory of directed evolution is

955
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: not on. That is unpopular. There are a lot of

956
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: people in this world who believe in directed evolution. Um.

957
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: But this idea of of commingling evolution and that the

958
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: ruling races reptilian is as as our fans like to

959
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: hear me say the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It's

960
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: a little guando crazy, it's super guando crazy. Well you go.

961
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: You know, I'm looking for rhyme or reason here and

962
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: there in their big genetic modification plan, because are they

963
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: trying to make a smarter Are they trying to make

964
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 1: his dumber dumber? Were we that we're we are sheep?

965
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: We are sheep all my friend? Yeah, that is the

966
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: reason that they are doing what they are doing to us. Now,

967
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: what they are harvesting from us or getting from this

968
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: this venture of you know, cultivating the human race. I

969
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: don't know, I haven't gone that far like stuff. Actually,

970
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: I probably a food source, I don't know, not necessarily

971
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: that it might be that they don't want to exterminate

972
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: it because they would feel kind of bad about it.

973
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: But at the same time they want to like sort

974
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: of negates as a threat to them. Uh, you know,

975
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 1: admin humanity as a humanity is unlikely to reach the

976
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: stars and colonized the galaxy and be a threat to

977
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: their galactic empire and so it actually makes a lot

978
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: of sense. They're being sort of humanitarian, but at the

979
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: same time they're keeping us in our place and on

980
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: our planet. But I can shed a little light onto

981
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: the directed evolution theory the oftentimes people. The theory goes

982
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: is that it's a um alien race that is otherwise

983
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: extinct in this world. So they came here um to

984
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: try to cultivate a new kind of their species, and

985
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: it kind of failed, but they ended up commingling or

986
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: directing us in a certain way. But that those aliens

987
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: are otherwise extinct in the universe everywhere else except on Earth.

988
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: And actually, yeah, so the the reptilians who are basically

989
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: our watchers are our shepherds. Yeah, but that like some

990
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: sort of intergalactic war or something like that, it's made

991
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: all of the others extinct. But I don't understand one

992
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: of the many their extincts here on Earth too though,

993
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: because they've crossed bred with m Yeah, but they're still

994
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: better than still bigger and smarter and fresher and all

995
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: that yetuff sure, And that I mean, those theories usually

996
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: come that, you know, they they the first interaction with

997
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: alien was like Homo sapien, not the first little inkling

998
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: of a little thing of life. It was. Yeah, I mean,

999
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: it's it's how a lot of people make the leap

1000
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: from like, how did we stop being animals and start

1001
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: being humans? Right? How did we get our intellectual cognition? Cognition? Yeah,

1002
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: cognition anyway, So that's that's kind of where people land

1003
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: a lot. So all you gotta do is to bring

1004
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: us back to our actual story of the day. Yeah,

1005
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: well know the lizard man escape or swamp. The reason

1006
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: that I looked at like and his reptilian stuff is

1007
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: let's let's again suspend all the disbelief that we've already

1008
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: thrown out there, and let's say, okay, David Ike is right. Well,

1009
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: then maybe this is a situation where there was one

1010
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: of the members of that species, let's say a teenager.

1011
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: You know, the teenagers are always not playing ball or

1012
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: something like that, and it is you know what, I

1013
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: hate those stupid humans, and I am gonna screw with

1014
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: some stupid humans and chases a human in their actual form,

1015
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: or maybe this is their way of playing a huge

1016
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: practical joke on the human race. And it explains Bigfoot

1017
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: and the lizard Man of skateboard swamp and the chupa

1018
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: cabra and all these in the Mothman and all these

1019
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: other cryptids are okay, listen, you have a free pass

1020
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: for a month, take a form, pick it, screw with them,

1021
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: and then you're done it anymore. Alternately, they're the insane

1022
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: ones who don't get caught right away in then they're

1023
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: put down by their own species. Yeah, locked up. Yeah,

1024
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: they're they're hauled back and put into their you know,

1025
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: they're there padded rooms. Well, if you think about it, it

1026
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: it could be a form of inoculation too, because things

1027
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: kind of accidents happen, your your little projector fails and

1028
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,919
Speaker 1: suddenly revealing your true lizard form. Accidents happen. And so

1029
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: if you go out there and you create all these

1030
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: hoaxes like Bigfoot, lizard Man whatever, you create all all

1031
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: this stuff, that's who and so nobody is somebody actually

1032
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: sees you in your true lizard form. Nobody's gonna believe

1033
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: you unless it happens on the floor of Congress. Yeah,

1034
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: and then you've got a really big problem. Yeah. But

1035
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: but otherwise I think those guys they probably like, you know,

1036
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: really really carefully, like check their little projectors. Well, that's

1037
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: why they have presidential aids, right, yeah, and and may

1038
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: and maybe that's it. But the point is is that

1039
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: either this is you know, was it was somebody one

1040
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: of these creatures in the Ike universe having fun at

1041
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: our expense or breaking the rules and eventually getting caught

1042
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: and locked away, which is why the sightings of the

1043
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: lizard Man of Scapeboard Swamp doing what the lizard Man

1044
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: of Skapboard Swamp did in the beginning haven't happened anymore. So,

1045
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that's that's but that's the

1046
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: way this theory is running. Yeah, anything to do it.

1047
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: It was a sick yogi, not the same instance, you know,

1048
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: I mean they're the same thing happened every time. In

1049
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: one case it was probably a bear, maybe two, And

1050
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: then the rest of it was people made it up

1051
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: and they imagined it or they were like and like

1052
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: I said before, I mean, if you watch some of

1053
01:01:54,760 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: those videos, it is very very clearly a dude walking

1054
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: through the woods and somebody else is a flashlight shined

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Speaker 1: on them as they're moving through the woods. Is so

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Speaker 1: blatantly clear. Yeah, well it's not that clear. Actually, they're

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Speaker 1: they're so tiny in the distance like the guy that

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Speaker 1: who the one in the dark with the flashlight that

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about, that was very clearly somebody in a suit.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, But like the one that was taken about

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Speaker 1: the entre where he's off in the distance. It's like

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Speaker 1: maybe he was using an older, crappier cell phone. He

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Speaker 1: must have bad I guess, or somebody compressed that video

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Speaker 1: to optimize it. It was when he took the video, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And so why didn't he like zoom in? Well maybe

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Speaker 1: that's why it was so bad. Yeah, maybe have you

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Speaker 1: ever taken a picture when you zoomed in on your terrible? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the quality definitely degrades. But I mean, especially if it's

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Speaker 1: in the dark, which this one was not. This was

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Speaker 1: a daytime video. The one Joe is talking about is

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Speaker 1: the daytime I'm talking about is the night tipe. But

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Speaker 1: he was not zoomed in. Yeah, yeah, not at all.

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Speaker 1: And I think the whole thing is is silly. So

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Speaker 1: that's that's really you know, that's where the scales end.

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Speaker 1: So I think what we need to do now is

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