1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Why from our nations this budget thing is going to 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: do nothing space Force. I still think it's interesting President 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: Trump not playing his cards yet, headlines policy and politics 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: colliding sound with Kevin's really the insiders, the influencers, the insides. 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: I would rather see a congressional solution. It's part of 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: my DNA. The Senate map in looks a lot different 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 1: than it looked in. You really have a divide within 8 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: Team Trump. The president has to do exactly what people 9 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: send him here to do, which is to get it done. 10 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 1: He's sound on with Kevin's your really on Bloombern one 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: and m h D two Boltimore billionaire democrat Tom Steyer 12 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: making it official he's running for president. What's one more 13 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: Swallwill's out, Styre is in and more fallout for Epstein 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: Epstein Jeffrey Epstein in ten or fifteen years is the 15 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: last time the President Trump spoke to Jeffrey Epstein ten 16 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: or fifteen years ago? This, according to Kelly and Conway, 17 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: can Secretary of Labor Acosta hang on to his job. 18 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: President Trump was asked about all of that, this story 19 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: that is dominating the political discourse here in Washington, d C. 20 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: And throughout the country, plus the latest on President Trump's 21 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: meeting with Cutter's a meir. What did they talk about 22 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: and how will it impact the geopolitics in Iran. We're 23 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: gonna break down all of that. Leading off on the program, 24 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna hear from Democratic presidential candidate Tim Ryan. He's 25 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: gonna call in just in a few short minutes. We're 26 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: gonna ask him what should happen with Jeffrey Epstein and 27 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 1: with Labor Secretary Acosta. We're also gonna ask him about 28 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: the crowded democratic field his role in that field. Joel 29 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: pains Here, a Democratic strategist, former director of African American 30 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: Media Outreach for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, also the former 31 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: deputy National Press secretary to former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. 32 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: And Brad Blakeman, a Republican strategist former deputy assistant to 33 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: President George W. Bush. We're gonna help us navigate through 34 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: some tough topics today, folks, tough topics before we jump 35 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: right into it. Busy day in the news. If you've 36 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: been following this horrific scandal, horrific scandal regarding Jeffrey Epstein, 37 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: the billionaire, the the the staple of of the Palm 38 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: Beach crowd and someone who had deep ties the politicians 39 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 1: on both sides of the aisle. I mean, it is 40 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: absolutely remarkable how this has captured the attention and dominated 41 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: the discussions here inside of the Beltway. And President Trump 42 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,679 Speaker 1: was asked about it, and he said that he's examining 43 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: a lenient two thousand and eight plead deal that Labor 44 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: Secretary and former U S Attorney alex A. Costa struck 45 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: with Jeffrey Epstein after the finance here was indicted on 46 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: Monday for sex crimes in Manhattan. Joining us on the line, 47 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: and that's where I want to lead here. We have 48 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:03,119 Speaker 1: to lead with this story. Is Democrat presidential candidate Tim Ryan, congressman. 49 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. And I gotta 50 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: what do you make of this, this scandal that has 51 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: engulfed engulfed the country. Well, clearly this guy is a 52 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 1: pretty bad guy. Uh, And you know, I hope he 53 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: rocks and jail. Uh. You know, someone who has a 54 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: fifteen year old daughter, Um, you know, makes you want 55 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: a puke to be quite honest with you. And uh, 56 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: you know, I just hope he gets the you know, 57 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: a lot of hard time and Uh, it's just it's terrible. 58 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: It's terrible to even think about. So it's it's shameful. 59 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just the stunning display of someone in 60 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: power taking advantage of the little girls. And uh again, 61 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: I hope, I hope he served some serious hard time. 62 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: The headline in the New York Times by Glenn Thrush 63 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: and Patricia Mazi saying that quote, uh, Labor Secretary Alexander 64 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: Acosta facing calls to resign over the Epstein plead deal? 65 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: Back was he when he was the U S Attorney 66 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: he hade what some are calling a sweetheart deal with 67 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: regards to uh Epstein. And he had come out publicly 68 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: via Twitter today the Labor Secretary, and he has said 69 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: that quote, the crimes committed by Epstein are horrific. And 70 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: I am pleased that New York prosecutors are moving forward 71 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: with a case based on new evidence. With the evidence available. 72 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: More than a decade ago, federal prosecutors insisted that Epstein 73 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: go to jail, register as a sex offender and put 74 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: the world on notice that he was a sexual predator. 75 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: Now that new evidence and additional testimony is available, the 76 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: New York prosecution offers an important opportunity to more fully 77 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: bring him to justice. That said, as you know, Congressman, 78 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: he's facing calls to resign. Do you think do you 79 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: think Labor Secretary Alexander Acosta should resign? I do, yeah, 80 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: And I think it's pretty clear there was a sweetheart 81 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: deal there. And uh again, you know, again, we need 82 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: to be very clear on this, and uh, that's that's 83 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: my position ten weeks ago. We're gonna talk more about 84 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: this coming up. We've got an all star panel. But granted, uh, 85 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: pivoting back now to the to the crowded democratic field, 86 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: Stires entered into the race. Swallwells out. You just picked 87 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: up some key endorsements in New Hampshire. Uh, and that's 88 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,799 Speaker 1: arguably where you're going to be spending a lot of time. 89 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: I think you've spent much time in man in Manchester, 90 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: New Hampshire, and you were endorsed by three of the 91 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: city's fourteen alderman for your presidential bid. What are you 92 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: hearing it from folks up in New Hampshire. Yeah, the 93 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: the economic message is resonating. I mean I've been talking 94 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: about this for you know, the last you know, my 95 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,239 Speaker 1: whole career. But you know, more nationally in the last 96 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: couple of years really about focusing on how broken the 97 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: economy is. And New Hampshire, like Ohio, hash an opiate 98 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,559 Speaker 1: crisis there. They have a lot of issues around mental health, 99 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: and these are issues that I've been advocating for a 100 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: mental health counselor and every school, social emotional learning in 101 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: every school, really rebuilding the economy, rebuilding the middle class 102 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: of the people in the country are still living paycheck 103 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: to paycheck. So on the candidate that really has the 104 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: new ideas about moving forward. I think a lot of 105 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: Democratic candidates are talking about, you know, really plugging the 106 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: hole in a broken economic system. And what I want 107 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: to do is fix the system so that we're actually 108 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: creating jobs that don't pay fifteen bucks an hour, that 109 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: pay thirty dollars an hour or forty dollars an hour. 110 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: And I have an agenda around you know, the the 111 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: new uh industrial revolution that's happening in the world, around 112 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: electric vehicles, around solar, around wind and AI and additive manufacturing. 113 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: How do we dominate these industries. I have a plan 114 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: to do at and it's resonating clearly. I mean, the 115 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: top vote getting Alderman councilman board president of the biggest 116 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: city in in UH mansion in UH New Hampshire. Is 117 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: it just endorsed me And two of the most popular 118 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: councilman in Manchester, New Hampshire have endorsed me because they 119 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: hear the message. And this is about the message. It's 120 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: not about the money. If it was about the money, 121 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: hillaryquintinly would be president right now. So I'm very comfortable 122 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: with where we are and excited about what's gonna happen 123 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: here in the coming weeks. Congressmanton Ryan's on the line. 124 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: He's running for president a Democrat UH in Ohio. He's 125 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: talking about the economy, the crux of his messaging he's 126 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: perceived and you know, this congressman is being a bit 127 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: more centrist than some of the likes on that debate 128 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: stage down there in Miami. The other week, I was 129 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: watching you on Fox News is Sunday Morning Futures, and 130 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: I was I was nurving out because you know, I'm 131 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: a bit of a dork. You know this from coming 132 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: on this show for for a little bit. But you're 133 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: talking about Medicare for all and and I was really 134 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: struck by what you said about not for taking private 135 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: insurance away. And Congressman, I gotta be candid here. You're like, 136 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: you're like on your own there, and it feels like 137 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: it as an observer, as an interviewer of you folks, 138 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: I mean you're kind of you in Biden, I guess, 139 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: but like who knows? I mean, is are you able 140 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: to to to break out with that message? You and Delaney? Yeah? 141 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: I mean it's happening now. I mean, you have our 142 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: our our union workers, the blue collar people who have 143 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: good health insurance. Why would we want to be in 144 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: the business of taking that away from our people. I mean, 145 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: there are people out there that have health insurance that 146 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: they like, that's private health insurance. We shouldn't be taking 147 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: that away. The idea is to make sure that people 148 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: who don't have good private health insurance at this day 149 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: in two thousand, nineteen, two twenty can have can buy 150 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: into some public option, whether it's Medicare or separate public option. 151 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,079 Speaker 1: I'm agnostic on how we put it together, but it 152 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: should be available at health Care is a right, and 153 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: I think that's where the vast majority of Democrats are. 154 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: I think that's the position that's untenable in a general election, 155 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: and I think it's wrong the first and foremost. But 156 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: I also think it's it's political suicide to go into 157 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: a general election and have our nominee out there saying 158 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 1: they're going to take private health insurance away from union 159 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: members who have negotiated a good health care package for 160 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: themselves or other people who have negotiated good health care 161 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: and maybe sacrificed a lot of wages along the way 162 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: to get that good health care. And they're gonna perceive 163 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: that Democrats is coming in and taking that healthcare away. 164 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: And we're trying to get union members back into the 165 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: Democratic bold after Trump was able to get some of them. 166 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: I think it's a terrible position for us to be in. Yeah, well, 167 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: I mean I got one more question for you. Actually 168 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: I got like to, but what's going on in Youngstown? 169 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: I always ask you about in Lordsville. What's going on 170 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: in there? And how are how are folks holding up? 171 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: I know that the plant closure they're really making an impact. Well, 172 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm in Greenville, South Carolina now, and 173 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: I was in Manchester, New Hampshire, and I you know, 174 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: and I was at home in Youngstown. Is out by 175 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: the Youngstound, the other day. Every community is dealing with 176 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: the same thing. They have little pockets of areas that 177 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: are doing well, and then they have chronic structural economic 178 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: issues everywhere else for the vast majority of the people, 179 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: and there's you know, factories have closed and there's been 180 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: no strategy. And I think this is what's differentiating me 181 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: among all of the other candidates, is that I have 182 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 1: a strategy to middle class so that the Lordstown facility 183 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: that used to be sixteen thousand auto workers is now 184 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: done row And what I'm saying is, let's have a 185 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: strategy around electric vehicles to get manufacturing pushed into these 186 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: old communities, old textile, old cole, old steel, old auto 187 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: communities of color that have been left behind the last 188 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: thirty or forty years. All these industries that are growing, 189 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: there's an industrial revolution happening, and then we're missing the 190 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 1: boat here and United States. I want the American workers 191 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: to make those cars. So you know, that's the strategy. 192 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: It's a tale of two cities, like every city in 193 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: America now in l A where they're doing so well, 194 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: and then there's tens cities of people that are homeless. 195 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: I mean, that's happening in Manchester's happening here. So I'm 196 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: encouraging anybody who wants to think that this economic message 197 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: is important to go to Tim Ryan for America dot com. 198 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: Send me ten bucks, you know, keep me in the 199 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: game here because this is a message at the end 200 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: of the day that the country needs and it's going 201 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: to help us rebuild the middle class. And I know, 202 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: I gotta let you. Guy even said generous with your time. 203 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Congressman Tim. Right by the way, listen, 204 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: you get a lot of jokes for that meditation book, 205 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: but listen, Marianne Williamson, you were You were there before 206 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,719 Speaker 1: she was, so I I appreciate you. Coming on. Uh, 207 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 1: you can go to Amazon dot com and by Healing 208 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: America for a great gift eggs. All right. Congressman Jim Ryan, 209 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: the Democrat from Ohio, calling from Greensville, South Carolina, coming up. 210 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: We talk more politics and policy with an all star 211 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: and I'm Kevin Sarelli. You're listening to Bloomberg. You're listening 212 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: to Sound On with Kevin Surreally on Bloomberg one and 213 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: one oh five point seven of m h D two Baltimore. 214 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: We're gonna see what happens with the Reno and a 215 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: lot of bad things right now, and they better be 216 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: very careful. That was President Trump speaking earlier today inside 217 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: of the Oval Office with the Emir of Cutter. The 218 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: President with the Emir of Cutter earlier today, obviously a 219 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: crucial role in the ongoing escalation really of tensions with ron. 220 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: Qatari Amir shik Tamin Binhammad al Thani was at the 221 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: White House and he disclosed an incoming order for Boeing. 222 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 1: For Boeing Companies, I'm Kevin Sireli, chief Washington correspondent for 223 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. Joel Payne is here, a 224 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: Democratic strategist, previously the former director of African American Media 225 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 1: Outreach with the Clinton presidential campaign. He also worked for 226 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: Harry Reid. Brad Blakeman joins me as well, Republican strategist, 227 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: former Deputy Assistant President George W. Bush. Brad, I'll start 228 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: with you and turns I was. I was at the 229 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 1: White House earlier today covering the the Qatari Emir, and 230 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: I was struck by the conversations that have been had 231 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: inside the Beltway for the past couple of weeks about 232 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: the rivalry, candidly rivalry between the Qataris and the Saudis, 233 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: and the Qataris came to Pennsylvania Avenue today and essentially 234 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: said they want to help out to de escalate tensions 235 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: with Iran. Can we trust them? Yes, I think we can. 236 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: I think the the Emir of Qatar has a lot 237 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: of respect for the United States. Certainly, we have one 238 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: of our largest bases in the Middle East in qatar Um. Yeah, 239 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: they're in a spat. They're in more of a spat 240 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: with the Saudis. It's actually still a boycott that they're 241 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: having between in them and there are a lot of 242 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: there are other countries who have joined the Saudi So uh, 243 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: we we have to walk a delicate balance between our 244 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: relations with Qatar and the relations with those who are 245 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: having problems with Qatar. And it's not just qatar Um 246 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: having problems with nations like Saudi Arabia. We have problems 247 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: with countries like that. So yes, I think that we 248 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: can trust but verify with all our allies, regardless of 249 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: where they are. But we have to um, we have 250 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: to give them the benefit of the doubt because we 251 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: need their help and they're an oasis and the Sea 252 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: of Despair, Joel. I'm reading from Al Jazeera Cutters a 253 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: mirror meets Trump to discuss economy and security. That of 254 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: course is at the White House earlier today last night 255 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: of the Qatari amer meeting with prominent business leaders, business officials, 256 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: including Bob Kraft, and really essentially saying that the US 257 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: is opening to open to do business with Cutter, just 258 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: as they're doing business with the saudiast. Yeah. I mean, 259 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have taken some lessons 260 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: from the Kashogi fallout, and I think one of them 261 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: is that the president and in this administration, treats international 262 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: relations as a business exercise. Um and and look, that's 263 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: that is his view of the world. I don't think 264 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: that he the world in terms of human rights abuses 265 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: or in terms of you get to pick your friends. 266 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: I think he says, you know, you asked the question before, um, 267 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: you know about you know, whether or not the President 268 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: wants to work with the Guitaris. I think they have to. 269 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: I think they I think they feel like they're compelled 270 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: to because it's an American business interests. It's in America's geographical, 271 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: geo geopolitical interest to have folks like the qataris on 272 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: our side and so UM. I think that this White 273 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: House has been very transparent about that, which is a 274 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: bit unique for for Washington d C. I think in 275 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: the past you may have seen a bit more um 276 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: splicing of kind of what the what the rationalists, Well, 277 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: I think Trump sees the world as it is. Uh, 278 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: they're the past administration saw the world is that as 279 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: they hoped it to be or tried to mold it 280 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: to be a peaceman and apology doesn't work. Piece through 281 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: strength does. And I think that has been the hallmark 282 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: so far of this of the Trump presidency is he 283 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: is He's restored that carrot and stick approach to foreign policy, 284 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: and so far I think it's been very beneficial. Remember, 285 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: Democrats warned us that Trump would get us into war. 286 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: We're no closer to war with um anybody, uh, And 287 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: certainly it hasn't come to pass the warnings of Democrats. 288 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: You know, It's important to remember these are energy rich countries. 289 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: When we talk about Saudi, when we talk about Cutter, 290 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: when we talk about the U A e UH and 291 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: obviously Iran, I mean these are are emerging markets. These 292 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: are also crucial energy markets as well, and just the 293 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: geopolitics of this just so quickly, moving so quickly, and 294 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, the U A, E. Bahrain, and Egypt haven 295 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: worst a sea, air and land blockade against Cutter ever 296 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: since June. That was the point that Brad was making earlier. 297 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: And they're accusing Doha, They're accusing they're accusing Cutter of 298 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: having strong ties within ROD. So the Trump view of 299 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: the world is to have these countries vying for America's 300 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: affection or the American consumer's affection is Hey, I'm not 301 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna look the other way on MBS and 302 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: this Kaushogi fallout because I want the Qataris and I 303 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: want this out. He's to be fighting over American business, 304 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: you know, Eboeing and things of that nature. Now that's 305 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: worked for him right now. I think what's going to 306 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: become an issue as this next long is do the 307 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: American people support him on that? Is the economy that important? Right? 308 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: The President views it as a cultural issue to have 309 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: these types of issues. At his coming up, we're gonna 310 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: talk about that election. You took me right there. I 311 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: do want to read a breaking news headline on the 312 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: Bloomberg terminal. Reading from the Bloomberg Terminal quote, a federal 313 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: judge rejected a request by the Trump administration to assign 314 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: new legal team to a lawsuit that blocked the US 315 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: from adding a citizenship question to census. Coming up, we're 316 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,959 Speaker 1: gonna talk about that census with Art. You can download 317 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: the sound On podcast on Apple iTunes, at Bloomberg dot com, 318 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: or by downloading the Bloomberg Business app. You can also 319 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: find me on Radio dot com, I Heart Radio, and Spotify. 320 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Serelli. You're listening to Bloomberg. You're listening to 321 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: Sound On with Kevin Cereally on Bloomberg one and one 322 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: oh five point seven FM HD two Baltimore. Make America 323 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: white again. They want to make sure that people people 324 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: are counted. It's it's really disgraceful. That was how Speaker 325 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi earlier today criticizing President Trump's trying to get 326 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 1: a question added to the census about since the question 327 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: would ask whether or not you are a US citizen 328 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: of Republicans, the president, they argued that this is needed 329 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: in order to document how many undocumented immigrants are in 330 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 1: the country, and well, we just serve from Speaker Pelosi 331 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: what she has to think about. She says that it 332 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: would quote is trying to quote make America white again. 333 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Ceili, Chief Washington correspondent, fro Bloomberg Television and 334 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. I'm joined by Democratic strategist Joel Pain. He's 335 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: the former director of African American Media Outreach for Hillary 336 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: Clinton's presidential campaign and previously served as the deputy National 337 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: Press secretary to former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. Also 338 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: with me Brad Blakeman, a Republican strategist former deputy assistant 339 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: to President George W. Bush. Joe, you hear that rhetoric 340 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: from Speaker Pelosi and she's she's really laying down a 341 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: market with with that. Yeah, it's blunt. Um. I don't 342 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: know if that is probably the message I would lead with, 343 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: but it's accurate. Um. Look, the President has been pretty 344 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: clear here what his goal is to quote accurately count 345 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: the people in this country. And when a progressive like 346 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: myself here's that I hear that the president wants to 347 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 1: make sure that people who are from mixed status families 348 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: or from families where maybe um their first generation or 349 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: something like that, he wants to create some doubt. I 350 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: think the President has already gotten what he wants to 351 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: accomplish out of this, which he wants to put. He 352 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: wants to put a doubt in the mind of a 353 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: lot of these mixed status families that maybe they shouldn't 354 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: participate in the census and maybe they shouldn't be counted, 355 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: which is, you know, the engine behind why Pelosi reacted 356 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: so strongly. And there's there's breaking news tonight in terms 357 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: of this ongoing census question issue, which we've covered now 358 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: for for several days, since we've been following the reading 359 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: from the from the Bloomberg terminal quote a federal judge 360 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 1: rejecting a request by the Trump administration to assign a 361 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: new legal team to a lawsuit that blocked the US 362 00:20:55,640 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: from adding a citizenship question census US to Judge Jesse 363 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: Ferman in Manhattan, called the government's request quote unquote patently deficient, 364 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: adding that the US had provided quote no reasons, let 365 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: alone satisfactory reasons for the substitution of Council Kelly and 366 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: common gaggle today, as it's called a gaggle, a white 367 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: house gaggle where you know, you ever see like the 368 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: scrumming reporters on the news. She was talking to reporters 369 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: earlier today at the White House. Uh, she had this 370 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: to say about about the legal fight. Take a lesson 371 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court to issue a legal impediment decision. In fact, 372 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: if anything, she fusses John Roberts said, he left the 373 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,959 Speaker 1: door open, and this president plans to barrel through it, 374 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: battle through it. Mr Blakeman, there's there's more than one 375 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: way to skin a cat and the president in this way, 376 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: but there's only one way to print a census. And 377 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: they've got to print this thing before they mail it out. 378 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 1: They can add an addendum. It doesn't have to be 379 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: on the printed form. The printed form can can add 380 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: one question to the back of it, and and it 381 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: can be sent out. They've got long forms, they've got 382 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: short forms. There's a lot of room to maneuver. Don't 383 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,959 Speaker 1: you love like these vep esque moments where they're like 384 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: adding in the dundom in and listen. I don't know 385 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: what side of the aisle anybody stands on this issue, 386 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: But like the actual how they're the deadline in this 387 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: case has less to do with the court said, more 388 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: to do with the printers. Don't know, and and and 389 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: a lot of it has to do with what you said. 390 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: There's gonna be a drop dead date where it has 391 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: to be accomplished within It was last month now it's look, 392 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: the date keeps moving. But we Congress, yes, we know 393 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: exactly uh, and I'm sure the White House does exactly 394 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: how much time they need to accomplish that task. This 395 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: is a constitutional responsibility. And I also think that Pelosi's 396 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: remarks are patently racist. Um this, this is the same 397 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: crowd who wants us to believe that showing an I 398 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: D has the same connotation that somehow that's racist, or 399 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: you're gonna disenfranchise people by properly identifying them before they 400 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: cast their votes. It's nonsense. It's common sense that we 401 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: should know who you are when you vote, and we 402 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: should know who you are when you're in our country. Yeah. 403 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: I disagree with with that interpretation of the Pelosi comments. 404 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: So I agree they were a bit strong that she 405 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: didn't take the elbows off. But I think sometimes in Washington, 406 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: you know, we missed the forest for the trees. Regards 407 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: to this president and his administration, what they want to 408 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 1: do is they want to radically change how people engage 409 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: with the census. They don't want people who are not 410 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: natives of nonsense. It's answered truthfully, that is that is 411 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: almost precisely I think what the goal is here. So 412 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: all of this stuff with courts, all of these things 413 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: with barreling through doors and whatnot, this is all a 414 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: public show just to kind of create a diversion from 415 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: from a lot of people engaging because they know, just 416 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: like in a lot of mixed A status families are 417 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,959 Speaker 1: frankly and a lot of minority communities that dealing with 418 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: federal agencies and dealing with candy them and dealing from 419 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: the minority community status family. Give me, give me a 420 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: definition of it is where the mom is born in 421 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: the United States, but the dad is, and the child is, 422 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: and the and the one brother is one. You know 423 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: what I like about both of you is you both 424 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: have business experience. And this is the one of the 425 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: things I love. I love many things about my job, 426 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: and I'm grateful to do it, but one of the 427 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: things is that I got to talk to politicians, but 428 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,479 Speaker 1: I also get to talk to business folks. Big business, 429 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: small business, medium sized business. They're not talking about this 430 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 1: back and forth. Sorry, guys, dans Her that is going 431 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: on inside the belt Way over this issue. They're actually 432 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: talking about, Hey, if this question is added to the census, 433 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: it could potentially impact their forecast, their economic forecast. And 434 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: that's why you're seeing so many prominent business groups here 435 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: inside of the Beltway lobby against this being added to 436 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: the census, because they have concerns that if folks are 437 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: not going to self report, they're not going to participate 438 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: in the census. The chief economist at the U S 439 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: Census Bureau says that that could impact anywhere from like 440 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: six million plus individuals. That means that a business forget 441 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: about big business for a second, a small business that 442 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: uses Sensus data to make forecast, to talk about whether 443 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: or not to open a plan or what not. There 444 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: this is the business argument. The business argument is that 445 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: they won't be able to have that data the administration. 446 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: Trump says, Hey, you know what to your point, Mr 447 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: blankmin you know everyone in the Trump administration is a 448 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: is a weapon in the culture war. This is another 449 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: But I want to say, and I why don't we 450 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: just why don't we just honor the constant? I want 451 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: to but I want to make sure, but we gotta 452 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: go to break, but I want to make sure that 453 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: I want to make sure that we get we hear 454 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: what I'm hearing from the business world, not just the 455 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: left and the right. That's the business. That's the business 456 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: argument coming up. We're gonna talk because this census thing 457 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: isn't gone. This census thing. Let me tell you something. 458 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 1: The election might be over and we still might be 459 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 1: talking about There's an indendom to the indendum in the 460 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: printer panels still age Joel Payne, Brad Blakeman. I'm Kevin Serelli. 461 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: Download the Sound On podcast on Apple iTunes, at Bloomberg 462 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: dot com, or by downloading the Bloomberg Business app. You 463 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: can also find us on Radio dot com, I Heart Radio, 464 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: and Spotify. Maybe we'll add it to the census. You're 465 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: listening to Bloomberg. This is Sound On with Kevin Sireally 466 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg one and one oh five point seven f 467 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: m h D two, Baltimore. I'm Kevin Serelli, Chief Washington 468 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: correspondent for Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. I'm joined by 469 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: Democratic strategist Joel Payne, the former director of African American 470 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: Media Outreach for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign and Brad Blakeman, 471 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: Republican Strategists, former deputy assistant to President George W. Bush. 472 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: Two friends. The programer thrilled to have you here. We're talking. 473 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: We had Congressman Tim Ryan on earlier, the Democrat from Ohio. 474 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: He's campaigning in South Carolina. He's running as a bit 475 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: of a center stroll. I thought it was kind of 476 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: interesting when he said it was quote unquote politic goes suicide, 477 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: political suicide for the Democrats to put up a general 478 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: election candidate who believes in Medicare for all, Well, sure, 479 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: obviously he's gonna believe that because that serves this political interest. 480 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if I agree with that. You know, 481 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: I think there's this misnomer out there that a progressive 482 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: agenda is one that alienates a lot of the American people, 483 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: and I just don't think that's true. Democrats ran a 484 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: pretty progressive agenda and one forty seats back in the House. 485 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: So I think that proved that Democrats can win with 486 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: a progressive leaning agenda. Sure, but Ryan saying essentially, why 487 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: would you go into these Ohio where he's from literally 488 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: his district Ohio, Pennsylvania, where I'm from Wisconsin, Michigan. Go 489 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: after these blue collar union keyword union jobs and say, hey, 490 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: wait a minute, if you don't want your healthcare, you 491 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: if you like, you can't keep your healthcare. There's a hot, 492 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 1: ongoing conversation about how to do this, and I think 493 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: it's completely appropriate for Democrats do that now. I think 494 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 1: primaries are great places to have these kind of bates, 495 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: and I, for one, I'm happy to see my fellow 496 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: Democrats battling. You know, you know what I like about 497 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: Joey's an optimist. He's an optimist like me. He's calm, measured, 498 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm the same way. You know. I 499 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: feel like I think I think primaries worked themselves out. 500 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: I think everyone uh, you know, touch his arms and 501 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: says Kumbaya at the end of it and it all 502 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: gets figured out. I don't know if you're watching the 503 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: Republicans last like, oh, well, you know, I remember a 504 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 1: time not too long ago, let's say two thousand sixteen, 505 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: where if you called the Democrat as socialist, you're actually 506 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: defaming them, you're slandering them. Today, they are quite proud 507 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: to be referred to as democratic socialists. And while you 508 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: have to be selected by the party. You are elected 509 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: by the people, and we're not going socialist in And 510 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: they're going to cross the rubicon if they haven't already. 511 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: And and just listen to Congressman Ryan, he's for telling 512 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: what's going to happen is they're going to select somebody 513 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: who's totally unelectable where and if I'm a un in 514 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: who supported Democrats historically for decades, I am really angry 515 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: because the one bargaining position that I have, which is 516 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: my strength, is offering healthcare to my workers. And if 517 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: that evaporates, then my collective bargaining strength has evaporated. No, 518 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: I think Democrats are are whistling the wrong tune here. 519 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: There is one Democratic Socialism the race. He has about 520 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: eighteen percent of the vote. The other the other two 521 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: front runners are Joe Biden, who is no one's lefty, 522 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: and Kamala Harris, who was secretly pretty moderate. I don't 523 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: think the Medicare bill that's that's great, But Kamala Harris 524 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: governs like somebody I'm not sure. I'm just I'm just 525 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: I mean, she was a corresponse, But I mean, look, 526 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: we can nick and knack go back and forth. That Medicare. 527 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: Medicare will be audial issue. But I guess my point 528 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,719 Speaker 1: is is, like again, I think there's this narrative out 529 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: there that the party is lurching to the left, and 530 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: I don't think that that's accurate. I don't think that 531 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: the facts on the ground. Tom Stier just threw his 532 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: name and so you billionaire Tom in private healthcare, eliminating 533 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: college students. I'm not making I'm not I'm not making likeness. 534 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: Tom Steyer formally announcing that he is entering into the 535 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: Democratic presidential race. This lesson twenty four hours about twenty 536 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: four hours after Swallowell Eric Swalwell is uh taking his 537 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: name out. He's he's running for re election in his 538 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: northern California seat. He faces a challenger on the left. 539 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: So listen. I could talk forever, but I do want 540 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: to get back to this major story of the day. 541 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: And we also heard from Congressman Tim Ryan this of course, 542 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: I'm talking about Jeffrey Epstein, the billionaire financier charged with 543 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: sex trafficking, and the fallout that really has engulfed engulfed Washington, 544 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: d C. In a political scandal. Both both political parties 545 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: distancing themselves from him. President Trump as of tonight, not 546 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: distancing himself from his Labor Secretary Acosta, Alexander Acosta, who 547 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: what many are saying was a sweetheart deal for Mr 548 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: Epstein back when he was us A district attorney. I 549 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: want to play for you what President Trump had to 550 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: say earlier today at the White House take lesson. I 551 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: feel very badly, actually for Secretary Acosta, because I've known 552 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: him as being somebody that worked so hard and has 553 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: done such a good job. I feel very badly about 554 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: that whole situation. But we're gonna be looking at that 555 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: and looking at it very closely. Now. Folks have called 556 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: for Secretary Costa to resign. Back when he was the 557 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: U S Attorney, he struck a deal with Jeffrey Epstein. Uh, 558 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: and he tweeted out. Secretary Costa tweeted out today that quote, 559 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: the crimes committed by Epstein are horrific, and I am 560 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: pleased that New York prosecutors are moving forward with a 561 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: case based on new evidence. Should he resign, No, he 562 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: should not resign. As a matter of fact. But for 563 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: Democo crats, he wouldn't be the Secretary of labor um. 564 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: This was all litigated at the hearings for his nomination 565 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: for Labor Secretary, and unless there's new evidence that arises 566 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: out of these current charges that would somehow change the 567 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: narrative as to why he was given the plea he 568 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: was given at the time. No, he should not resign. 569 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: There's nothing to resign about. The fact is these are 570 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: new charges and they will speak and stand for themselves. 571 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: I think we're very quick to arrive at that, and 572 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: I'm not prepared right at this moment to say he 573 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: should resign, But I think there should be a lot 574 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,959 Speaker 1: of scrutiny paid to not only what Secretary Accosta did 575 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: as a prosecutor, but what a lot of people do 576 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: in those roles in terms of cutting these deals. You know, 577 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: I worked for John Edwards who talked about two America's. 578 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: There's a lot of things John have not do well. 579 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: One thing I think he articulated very well was that 580 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: there are two America's, there's two justice systems, there are 581 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: two sets of rules for a lot of people. I 582 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: think that's wrong. I think that it's a noble objective 583 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: for everybody to kind of go after eliminating that kind 584 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: of difference between this Senator Chuck Schumer saying that quote, 585 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: I am calling on Secretary Acosta to resign. It is 586 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: now impossible for anyone to have confidence in Secretary Acosta's 587 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: ability to lead the Department of Labor. If he refuses 588 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: to resign, President Trump should fire him tomorrow. We're gonna 589 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,479 Speaker 1: have more of this fallout. I want to thank Brad Blakeman. 590 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: I want to thank Joel Payne for joining us All 591 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: Stars All Stars on the show. We covered a lot 592 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: of ground today. Folks download the sound on podcasts on 593 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: Apple iTunes, at Bloomberg dot Com, or by downloading the 594 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Business app. You can also find us on Radio 595 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: dot com, I Heart Radio, and Spotify. 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