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Speaker 1: welcome to the Freedom Hunt. Great to have you as always,

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Speaker 1: an honor and a pleasure. Oh the great Trump Divide,

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Speaker 1: my friends. It exists in multiple ways, at multiple levels.

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Speaker 1: It allows him to wage asymmetrical information operations against them

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Speaker 1: But this is a there's a conditional sentence that is

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Speaker 1: it's getting pretty close to a thought crime. My friends.

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Speaker 1: not in any way. You cannot compare me to someone

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Speaker 1: who make apologies for Hitler. And I don't think Putin.

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Speaker 1: I think Putin is you just compared me to a

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Speaker 1: Nazi apologist, because I asked a simple question, is why

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Speaker 1: do contravening American interests in the common class with a

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Speaker 1: group that's trying to cast invaded his neighbors broken the

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Speaker 1: long piece. In Europe he assassinates this events and journalists.

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Speaker 1: He bombs women and children on purpose. In Syria he

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Speaker 1: is as bad as Hitler. And I'm sorry. You know,

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Speaker 1: if you don't like the Charles Denberg day, I will

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Speaker 1: retract that. But let's just say, you sound like someone

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Speaker 1: in the ninety eight saying, what's Hitler done? Us? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Wause first pause, just pauses for a second. Okay. First

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Speaker 1: of all, first of all, whoa? This is like when

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Speaker 1: you're at the party, you know, the music comes off.

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Speaker 1: I was like, WHOA, what just happened? I was not

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Speaker 1: expecting this exchange between these two individuals. But there's some

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Speaker 1: very there's some important substance that maybe gets a little

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Speaker 1: bit lost in the midst of what is a testy

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Speaker 1: exchange between two two Republicans. At least I don't know

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Speaker 1: if they both self described as conservatives. Assume they probably would,

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00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 1: although these days you'll notice in the post t Party era,

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00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: those who aspire to have very large following or do

449
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: have very large followings, and media used it to use

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Speaker 1: the term for themselves conservative A little bit less, I remember,

451
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Speaker 1: and all, if you're on the right, man, you you

452
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Speaker 1: better say you were conservative, you wanted everybody to be

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Speaker 1: on board. Now it's it's really more Trump specific than

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Speaker 1: it is conservative on the right for a lot of

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00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. But okay, so Ralph Peter

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Speaker 1: says to Tucker that you would for the whole don't

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Speaker 1: go to the Hitler comparison. This is it's a rule,

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Speaker 1: and we know the rule. You don't don't go to

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Speaker 1: the Hitler comparison. Um. And I'll actually be discussing a

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Speaker 1: little bit of briefly Hitler probably later on tonight when

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Speaker 1: we talked about the history of eugenics. But that's a

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Speaker 1: completely separate issue. But I mean comparisons of anyone's positions

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Speaker 1: policy to anything that's hit Larian is almost always going

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Speaker 1: to be a not a good idea. Um. And to

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Speaker 1: say that somebody would make excuses for Hitler today, because

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Speaker 1: to to compare not wanting to be particularly belligerent towards

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Speaker 1: Russia in a military sense, to make excuses for Hitler,

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Speaker 1: I think that was for Lieutenant Colonel Peter. I think

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Speaker 1: that was really unfair. And he kind of knew it,

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Speaker 1: you know, he said, I'll retracted, But then he went

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Speaker 1: on to say, well, yeah, but you sound like somebody

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Speaker 1: who would have been making Okay, maybe not Charles Lindbergh,

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Speaker 1: but you sound like somebody who would have been making

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Speaker 1: excuses about why we shouldn't do anything Hitler back in

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Speaker 1: the in the late nineteen thirties. Um, what what is this?

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Speaker 1: This newfound UH bellicosity that is pretty bipartisan towards Russia.

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Speaker 1: I think that we're we're getting into a strange place

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Speaker 1: here where what is the what would be acceptable to

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Speaker 1: the anti Putin crowd at this point? And you know,

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Speaker 1: Ted Cruz earlier today pointed out that, you know, the

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Speaker 1: Obama administration was was pretty palsy with with the Russians.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they were palsy with everybody that was you

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Speaker 1: calling problems for America. But here's Senator Cruz, part of

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Speaker 1: the irony of this media obsession with Russia is that

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Speaker 1: the Obama administration began with Hillary Clinton bringing a big

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Speaker 1: red reset button to Russia, saying when they were going

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Speaker 1: to reset the relationship with Russia so that she and

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Speaker 1: Obama were going to be friends with the Russians. That's

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Speaker 1: how they began. If you look at what happened with Russia,

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Speaker 1: Russia invades Ukraine, and the Obama administration does nothing, is

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Speaker 1: utterly ineffectual. You have John Kerry saying he desperately wants

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Speaker 1: to provide Putin with an off ramp. Didn't want an

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Speaker 1: off ramp. And the policies of the Obama administration were

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Speaker 1: constant weakness and appeasement. You know, one of the best

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Speaker 1: things recently announced was the Trump administration's intention to go

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Speaker 1: forward with placing anti anti ballistic missile batteries in Poland

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Speaker 1: and the Czech Republic. You know, those were scheduled to

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Speaker 1: go in ten years ago and in two thousand nine,

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Speaker 1: and the opening weeks of the Obama administration, Barack Obama

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Speaker 1: and Hillary Clinton anceled the anti ballistic missile batteries in

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Speaker 1: Poland and the Czech Republic. Why because they wanted to

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Speaker 1: appease Putent. There was a lot of Putin appeasement going

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Speaker 1: on under the Obama administration, and and there was a

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Speaker 1: lot of friendly gestures towards Russia and concessions made to Russia.

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Speaker 1: But now because of the current political moment in which

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Speaker 1: we find ourselves, where the media is telling us that

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Speaker 1: Hillary lost the election because of Russia hacking and Russia

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Speaker 1: meddling and all this other stuff. If you are not

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Speaker 1: making noises about how you're ready to just go go

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Speaker 1: out there and and you know, punch everybody from the

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Speaker 1: Kremlin and the nose, you're some kind of uh, some

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Speaker 1: kind of weak, unpatriotic buffoon or something. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: just crazy. What are we gonna in Syria? What are

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Speaker 1: the options? Uh? The smart option is to try to

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Speaker 1: figure out whatever levers we have to get the Russians

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Speaker 1: to be less uh willing to drop ordinance on civilians,

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Speaker 1: Use whatever diplomatic leverage, do do whatever we can to

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Speaker 1: get them to be more helpful in the region. We're

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Speaker 1: not about to start shooting Russian planes out of the

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Speaker 1: sky to make a point about Assad. Okay, that that's

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Speaker 1: and that's a terrible idea. And it seems to me

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Speaker 1: now there's a game that a lot of people in

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Speaker 1: the media are playing, which is that, Hey, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about how Putin murders journalists and Putting

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Speaker 1: such a bad guy and he's he's so tyrannical, and

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Speaker 1: let's let's keep this in context. He's not anywhere near

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Speaker 1: as bad as Hitler. That that's a that's a completely

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Speaker 1: indefensible statement. And if I recall, I believe that is

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Speaker 1: what Lieutenant Colonel Peter said. He's as bad as Hitler.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is nonsense. Russia is like, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a country. People are living there, they're doing their things.

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Speaker 1: There's the death camps. I mean, it's just crazy. But

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Speaker 1: this is what happens in a moment of mass hysteria.

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00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: It seeps into other discussions, that seeps into your consciousness.

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Speaker 1: And for the Republican Party right now, I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of the GOP, especially the more inner mentionist side

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00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: of it, on foreign policy and on national security issues,

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Speaker 1: they find themselves in this position. We're there, Oh, they're

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00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: they're they're talking too tough on Russia. You know, we

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00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: got other things to worry about. We don't need to

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Speaker 1: be picking fights and dealing with the Russians all over

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Speaker 1: the world. And we've already got sanctions on them. Relations

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Speaker 1: are already very frosty right now. Uh. But I want

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Speaker 1: to get I want to continue on with that exchange,

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Speaker 1: with the talking, because it has to do with foreign policy,

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Speaker 1: the direction of the GOP, which I still think it's

547
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: very much up for Grams right now. There is no

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00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: Trump doctrine it's not clear what the Trump administration's foreign

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Speaker 1: policy is going to be really at all, other than

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Speaker 1: not weak and appeasing. But okay, well that's one thing,

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00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: but there's a lot more. Um, we're gonna run to

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Speaker 1: a break, will come right back and finish this up.

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Speaker 1: Stay with me, go down on Tucker Carlson tonight between

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Speaker 1: Tucker and Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Peters, who I'm sure like

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Speaker 1: each other and get along, you know, in general, and

556
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: probably agree on nine of stuff, But on this foreign

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00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: policy issue and Trump and Russia, it got it got

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Speaker 1: a little heated. Continue with the clip. Please, Rather than

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Speaker 1: calling people accommodation us and say we're not happy, what's

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00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: gonna happen, we can only make it. You made, you

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Speaker 1: made your career being an American conservative patriot, and now

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Speaker 1: you're suddenly cheering for Vitamir. Pude, I'm not in any

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Speaker 1: sense cheering for Vladomir. Well you say it's not accommodation,

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Speaker 1: it's not. It's not. I'm cheering for America as always

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Speaker 1: ours ought to come first, and to the extent that

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Speaker 1: making temporary alliances with other countries serve our interests. I'm

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00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: in favor of that making sweeping moral claims grotesque ones,

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00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: comparing people to Hitler advances the ball not one inch,

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Speaker 1: ladies us to reality. He hates America, he wants to

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Speaker 1: hurt us. And I'm sorry all this suddenly Viltamir Prude

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Speaker 1: is a good guy. Russia's okay, No, it's not. I

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Speaker 1: don't think anyone was saying that. I don't I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I missed something. Uh well, I shouldn't say anyone.

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Speaker 1: I know Trump has said things that are nice, but

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Speaker 1: but I mean, I don't think Trucker was saying that

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Speaker 1: in the context of their discussion. It seems a little unfair.

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Speaker 1: But the collusion and and Russia hysteria has resulted in,

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Speaker 1: I think a blinding of of some Republicans to the

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Speaker 1: realities of what we can and can't do when it

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Speaker 1: comes to opposing Russia. Look at I mean, in a

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Speaker 1: place like Ukraine, what are we What were we really

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Speaker 1: gonna do? When Putin had when that referendum, that Russian

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Speaker 1: back referendum happened in Crimea and the Russians, uh it

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Speaker 1: made in an appendage a province of Russia. What are we? Okay,

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Speaker 1: we condemned it, we put on sanctions. Are we really

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Speaker 1: going to land the airborne in the Crimea and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: give it back to Ukraine. I don't think so, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think that would be a good idea. And

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Speaker 1: in the context of Syria specifically the Russians, because President

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00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: Obama was very slow to act and always wanted to

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Speaker 1: take minimal action in Syria, the Russians were setting themselves

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Speaker 1: up to have a pretty strong hand between Russia and Iran.

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Speaker 1: The Assad regime is not going any where. So I

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Speaker 1: just think it's interesting that there's been such an abandonment

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Speaker 1: of rail politique and UH realism, and now we're supposed

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Speaker 1: to just walk around talking about how terrible Putin is

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Speaker 1: all the time. And Putin is not a threat to

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Speaker 1: you and me, my friends in a day to day

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Speaker 1: since and in terms of the UH, in terms of

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Speaker 1: Russian policies right now, it's it's it's exaggerated. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that now. This is where you get all

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Speaker 1: You're saying Putin is not so bad, and it's not that,

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Speaker 1: but he's not Hitler. That's crazy. And he's also a

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Speaker 1: rational actor in a world where you know, we we

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00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: don't have that many levers to pull with some of

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00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: the more intractable problems that are out there. Dealing with

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00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: radical Islam and jihadism, dealing with North Korea. We've been

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Speaker 1: doing the foreign policy consensus stuff on these issues for

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Speaker 1: a long time and not getting very far. In fact,

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Speaker 1: you could argue things have been getting worse and act

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00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: in the Middle East and North Korea, things have been

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Speaker 1: getting worse. So some new thinking would be helpful. And

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00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: there is a world of difference between all right, on

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00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: this one issue we can work together, or on this

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00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: one issue there's some common ground defined and hey, we

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00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: think everything you're doing is great and fine and good. Um.

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Speaker 1: That's that's what I think is lost somehow in these

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Speaker 1: debates and in these discussions. I will say that that

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Speaker 1: you know that the fondness that so many people seem

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Speaker 1: to have in the past for openness and discussion and

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Speaker 1: foreign policy and always you know, talking first, I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about democrats here. You know, let's have a discussion. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the oldest thing in the State Department is always the

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00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: old phrase the State Department is you've got three options.

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00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: There are three options for any foreign policy issue, uh,

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00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: nuclear war, suffering, silence, or diplomacy people that that's a

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00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: joke obviously, but people that adhere to that generally now

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Speaker 1: when it comes to Russia, everything has to be on

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Speaker 1: a uh in an aggressive posture. Uh. There's there's no

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Speaker 1: room for mediation, there's no room for you know, until

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Speaker 1: this is what it all comes down to, and this

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00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: is what I'm getting at. Our foreign policy is being

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Speaker 1: hijacked by those who don't really care about Russia and

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00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: what it's doing around the world. They don't really care

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00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 1: about our foreign policy visa the Russia. They just want

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Speaker 1: to use this as an issue to undo the assult,

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Speaker 1: undo the results of the presidential election. That's what this

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Speaker 1: is all about. That Russia has become a stand in

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Speaker 1: for Hillary's loss and Russia and blaming Russia is a

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Speaker 1: way of undermining the Trump administration. So it's a domestic

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Speaker 1: political uh impulse that is being played out through the

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Speaker 1: lens of foreign policy that really has very little to

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Speaker 1: do with foreign policy. Al Right, we are going to

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Speaker 1: be joined by Kim Strasso from the Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 1: for a great interview and just a few stay right here.

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Speaker 1: He's back with you now. Because when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the fight for truth, the funk never stops. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome back, team. We have Kim Strassel on the line.

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Speaker 1: She is the author of The Intimidation Game, How the

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Speaker 1: Left is silencing free speech, and she's a columnist and

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Speaker 1: editorial board member at the Wall Street Journal. Kim, great

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Speaker 1: to have you back. It's great to be here. Buck. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what's your what's your overall take? What's your what's your

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Speaker 1: bottom line on what's happened this week with the administration,

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Speaker 1: Russia collusion, Donald Trump Jr? Where are you on all this?

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Speaker 1: My bottom line is that this has to be one

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Speaker 1: of the most boring stories to hit Washington in so long,

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Speaker 1: because it's a giant nothing burger. Uh And the degree

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Speaker 1: to which the media is escalating it into something it

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Speaker 1: is not is just astounding to me. What do you

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Speaker 1: think they think they're going to find out? I mean,

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Speaker 1: we already have Senator Kane using the word treason. We

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Speaker 1: have others who clearly think that this is going to

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Speaker 1: lead to a criminal, criminal case of I'm kind In fact,

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Speaker 1: I think earlier today and we have the first member

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Speaker 1: of Congress introducing an article of impeachment against Trump. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that actually happened. I'm saying that here represented Brad Sherman

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Speaker 1: of California, is do you think they really believe they're

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Speaker 1: going to get to a criminal indictment against Trump or

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Speaker 1: one of his top people, or is this just all

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Speaker 1: part of the political climate. Let's say I think that

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Speaker 1: they don't care whether they do or not. I mean,

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Speaker 1: obviously they would like that in the end, but in

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Speaker 1: the meantime, what they recognize as strategy is of diverting

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Speaker 1: away from any other agenda that the Trump administration is pursuing.

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Speaker 1: So the longer that they can keep the media focused

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Speaker 1: on collusion and try to delegitimize the president, the harder

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Speaker 1: it is for him to get through with his message

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Speaker 1: and the administration's message, and it disrupts the work that

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Speaker 1: Republicans are trying to do in Congress um and potentially

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00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: divides Republicans, forces them to take size on issues. So

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Speaker 1: for them and the short term politically, this is a

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Speaker 1: very valuable strategy for them, and the long term whether

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Speaker 1: or not they get a conviction is not likely, but

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Speaker 1: they figure, what the heck, we might as well try.

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Speaker 1: I know on the Wall Street Journal there was a

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Speaker 1: piece White House age worry policy will take a back

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Speaker 1: seat to email uproar. I feel like Kim, that's almost

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Speaker 1: a certainty at this point. Right, there's no way that

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Speaker 1: there aren't ramifications, there aren't second order effects of a

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Speaker 1: White House that is under siege like this in ways

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Speaker 1: that don't benefit the American people. Essentially, they have to

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Speaker 1: handle this issue first and foremost. That means they're not

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Speaker 1: dealing with one way or another, taxes, one way or another, immigration,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. Yeah, and this is the one area where

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Speaker 1: I had some criticism for the President with regards to

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Speaker 1: this Russia question is that I don't have a problem

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Speaker 1: with the president tweeting. My problem was with the content

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Speaker 1: of the president's tweets. He is sitting on top of

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Speaker 1: what is probably the most powerful media tool that any

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Speaker 1: elected leader has ever had, which is a Twitter account,

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Speaker 1: and he could be using it to every day be

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Speaker 1: forcefully pushing his agenda, pressuring Republicans, pressuring individual Republicans whore

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Speaker 1: holds out on some of this legislation that he wants

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Speaker 1: to see through, uh, you know, undermining the democratic arguments

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Speaker 1: for why you don't want healthcare change. He could really

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Speaker 1: be using effectively, but every time he instead gets frustrated

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Speaker 1: and tweets about the media or tweets about Jim Comey

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Speaker 1: or tweets about the Russia thing. It's deluding his ability

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Speaker 1: to get his agenda out. So you know, if they

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Speaker 1: want their policy agenda to be first, they're going to

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Speaker 1: have to work a little bit harder to make sure

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Speaker 1: it's first. One of the major frustrations that the president

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Speaker 1: has revolver revolves around leaks. I've spoken to you, or

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Speaker 1: rather I've seen your piece before and talked about it

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Speaker 1: here on er Kim about leaks and and the criminal

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Speaker 1: leagues that have been ongoing during this aministration. But they're

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Speaker 1: also the palace intrigue leaks. Right, there's the uh, the

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Speaker 1: the White House advisor telling somebody that some other White

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Speaker 1: House member or staff person is going to get fired,

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Speaker 1: or there's in fighting, whatever it may be. Well, how

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Speaker 1: do you think this information? I know you don't know,

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Speaker 1: but how do you surmise this information about Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: Junior found its way to the New York Times? I

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Speaker 1: don't That is an interesting question, And you raise a

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Speaker 1: very concerning issue about this White House, which doesn't get

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Speaker 1: as much attention it deserves for the simple fact that

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Speaker 1: the press loves that there are rival camps within this

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Speaker 1: administration and that they get leaks from them, And so

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Speaker 1: you haven't had a kind of stories worrying about the

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Speaker 1: facts that this is having on this White House and

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Speaker 1: the degree to which it is undermining its mission. And

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Speaker 1: you know, where I Donald Trump, that would be one

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Speaker 1: of the first things I or my chief of staff

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Speaker 1: would be focused on is figuring out who in this

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Speaker 1: is doing the leaking, but also that because that might

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Speaker 1: also involve some wholesale change and sweeping out at this

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Speaker 1: White House. Right now, they do have a number of

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Speaker 1: rival power centers of different people who have very different

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Speaker 1: agendas and who want the president's ear. And it's all

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Speaker 1: well and good to say that it's nice to have

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Speaker 1: a team of rivals, but if those team of rivals

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Speaker 1: are ultimately attempting to use their position to undercut each

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Speaker 1: other and bring to hurt the administration's agenda, then then

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Speaker 1: that needs to change. So what I have to assume

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Speaker 1: happened here is that Donald Trump Jr. Probably disclosed this

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Speaker 1: information either to congressional investigators or to the special counsel

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Speaker 1: who's now looking at this. Someone got a glimpse of

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Speaker 1: it and decided, for whatever reason that it would benefit

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Speaker 1: them internally in some way to get it out in

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Speaker 1: the press. Yes, a team of rivals would make sense.

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Speaker 1: A team of enemies inside your White House is definitely

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Speaker 1: not a good idea, and it's starting to feel like

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Speaker 1: that exists at some level. We just don't know who's

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Speaker 1: on what side just yet. Kim Strassol, she's author of

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Speaker 1: The Intimidation Game and a Wall Street Journal editorial columnists. Kim,

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Speaker 1: where are you on healthcare right now? What do you

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Speaker 1: think about Mitch McConnell saying by the end of the week,

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Speaker 1: they're going to have a new bill. We're being told

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Speaker 1: it's going to be well, it's not gonna be great,

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Speaker 1: but it'll be better. What do you think, Well, first

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Speaker 1: of all, I don't necessarily think it'll be better, because

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Speaker 1: let's be honest here, what just happened is in these

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Speaker 1: backroom meetings is you had a cheam of moderates that

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Speaker 1: wind and moaned until they got more Medicaid money and

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Speaker 1: until they ran and hid on the quote politics of

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Speaker 1: the rich argument, and demanded that several of the Obamacare

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Speaker 1: taxes remain in the bill, I mean remain in effect,

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Speaker 1: so that they could pay for all of their pork

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Speaker 1: for their states. So this bill is not getting better,

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Speaker 1: which is why I'm actually a big fan of McConnell's

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Speaker 1: decision to get it out onto the floor, because the

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Speaker 1: reality is that the longer this drags on in the

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Speaker 1: back room, the more the these guys up their demands.

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Speaker 1: They can do it without any you know, consequence themselves,

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Speaker 1: because it's not happening in the open. I think they

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Speaker 1: need to get a base bill, get it out there,

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Speaker 1: and then if anybody wants anything more, make them pass

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Speaker 1: an amendment and make them convince the rest of their

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Speaker 1: colleagues that this is a good thing to vote for.

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Speaker 1: And if not, then understand that this is how democracy works.

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Speaker 1: Its ways. Had a chance to make their argument, and

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Speaker 1: if they don't win, that's just too bad. Um. But

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Speaker 1: they need to just get it on the floor begin

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Speaker 1: the process because I think at that point too, you

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Speaker 1: have grassroots groups that are going to mobilize. The pressure

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Speaker 1: significantly increases at that point for people to get to Yes.

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Speaker 1: What happens if they don't get a bill passed in

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Speaker 1: the Senate? Kim, do you think that there would be

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Speaker 1: some legitimate pushback and political consequences. I mean, how long

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Speaker 1: do we give them before we say this is unacceptable?

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Speaker 1: Or are we are we already should we already be

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Speaker 1: there as Republicans? Yes, we should already be saying that

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Speaker 1: this is acceptable. I think the delay over the last

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks was unacceptable. They were elected to do

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Speaker 1: exactly what they're supposed to be doing right now, and

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Speaker 1: the consequences of this, in my mind, are severe. I

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Speaker 1: think if they do not get this bill pass, that

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Speaker 1: they say goodbye to the Senate next year, because if

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Speaker 1: they can't even do their number one campaign promise, then

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00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: voters are going to legitimately ask we gave you the Senate,

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Speaker 1: we gave you the House, we gave you the White House,

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Speaker 1: and there's nothing standing in your way to doing this.

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Speaker 1: You set up a system by which you can do

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Speaker 1: it with fifty one votes, a simple majority. You can't

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Speaker 1: blame the Democrats or a filibuster. But if you can't

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Speaker 1: even agree, so if you fail, it's because you couldn't

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Speaker 1: agree yourself, you've chosen to not govern. And yes, they

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Speaker 1: will pay a political price. Do you think the Democrats

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Speaker 1: are planning to just run a we will impeach Trump

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Speaker 1: campaign for the mid terms, or they'll be do you

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Speaker 1: see any of the beginnings of of a message m

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Speaker 1: I understanding from the Democrats. I mean my understanding is

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Speaker 1: they've already embraced the at least we're not those guys.

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Speaker 1: That's what I've been, That's what I've seen. Yet their

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Speaker 1: messages are going to be twofold one that this is

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Speaker 1: a corrupt administration. And you see that every day with

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Speaker 1: the uh you know, stories that they're doing about Russia

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Speaker 1: collusion and various other things. I saw people now talking

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Speaker 1: about the Hatch Act whether or not if Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: Senior talked to his son, he violated the Hatch Act.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're going to try to get him on anything.

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Speaker 1: So that will be one side of it. But the

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Speaker 1: other piece of it, and this is what Republicans need

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Speaker 1: to understand in Congress, will be Look, Republicans can't govern.

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Speaker 1: They are incompetent. You know, at least when we were there,

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Speaker 1: we got things done. We passed Obamacare to begin with,

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Speaker 1: and they can't get their act together enough to unwind it.

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Speaker 1: So why should you allow them to continue being in charge?

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Speaker 1: You know what's scary about that, Kim, is that's actually

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Speaker 1: a pretty that's a pretty compelling If they don't get

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Speaker 1: healthcare pads is a pretty compelling argument. It is a

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Speaker 1: compelling argument. And you know, I think the other thing

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Speaker 1: that Republicans need to understand is not only the risks

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Speaker 1: of that argument. By the way, and so for all

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Speaker 1: those who are out there saying, oh, you know, just

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Speaker 1: let's let Obamacare collapse under its own weight, let's not

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Speaker 1: do anything, Democrats will get blamed bologny. It will fall

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Speaker 1: on Republicans. But the other thing they need to understand

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Speaker 1: is Democrats are not going to cooperate with them on

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Speaker 1: anything under any circumstances. So you know, all those that

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Speaker 1: are now saying, yeah, we want to work with you,

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Speaker 1: work with us on a healthcare bill, they'll water this

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Speaker 1: thing down until it's a disaster and then they'll pull

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Speaker 1: the rug out in the end. I mean, there's just

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Speaker 1: there is no way that Democrats are going to cooperatively

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Speaker 1: help Republicans with an agenda in any way, shape or form.

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Speaker 1: And the GOP needs to get past any belief that

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Speaker 1: that might be the case and realize that this is

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Speaker 1: all on them. One more for you, Kim, what's the

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Speaker 1: one thing that you wish Donald Trump if you could

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Speaker 1: give him, if you could send him an email tonight

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Speaker 1: that was like, please do the following, Commander in chief,

854
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Speaker 1: it would be what it would be to begin you

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Speaker 1: using that megaphone he has and leading his party because look,

856
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Speaker 1: but you know this as well as I do. We've

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Speaker 1: watched politics for a long time. One of the reasons

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Speaker 1: that parties in a minority struggle to do anything is

859
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Speaker 1: because they have no natural leader. And one of the

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Speaker 1: reasons majorities get stuff done is because they're all behind

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Speaker 1: a person who's in the White House. And the problem

862
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Speaker 1: we have at the moment is the majority that's sort

863
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Speaker 1: of in a minority status and that the president is

864
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Speaker 1: not out there. You know, what he ought to be

865
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Speaker 1: doing is giving an Oval office address on why you

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Speaker 1: want to do healthcare and how it's going to help people,

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Speaker 1: um and and and which not only pressures Republicans but

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Speaker 1: reassures the public about the mission here. Uh, he needs

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Speaker 1: to be out there every day tweeting, not offensive things

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Speaker 1: about the media or Chuck Schumer, but concrete examples of

871
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Speaker 1: stuff that's not happening. Because Democrats will not confirm his nominees.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've got two people that have been appointed

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Speaker 1: to sit on the Federal Energy Regulation Commission. Regulatory commissions

874
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Speaker 1: for its job is to approve pipelines. Right now, it

875
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Speaker 1: does not have a functionable quorum. It can do no business.

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Speaker 1: Nothing is happening in that area because Chuck Schumer is

877
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Speaker 1: obstructing these nominees from being confirmed. So I would love

878
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Speaker 1: to see him start making very powerful issues about democratic

879
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Speaker 1: obstruction and his policy agenda, messaging, discipline, and policy focus.

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Speaker 1: That would be fantastic. Let's hope it happens. It would

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Speaker 1: be great. Kim Stressle, everybody check out our book, The

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Speaker 1: and reader columns in the Wall Street Journal. Kim, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for the time. Always great to have you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. Alright, team eight four, eight to five.

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Speaker 1: We're going to run into a break and we'll be

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Speaker 1: right back. Stay with me, okay. So I can never

889
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Speaker 1: vote for anybody in my party. They would say they

890
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Speaker 1: were going to ban people because of the god they worshiped.

891
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: When he talked about David Duke and pretended that he

892
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Speaker 1: didn't know who David Duke was and didn't know what

893
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Speaker 1: the ku klux Klan. Did you didn't have Republicans coming

894
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Speaker 1: out saying I can never support Donald Trump because he's racist.

895
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Speaker 1: They would have a thousand other excuses why, but they

896
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Speaker 1: always overlooked that how far are they willing to go?

897
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Speaker 1: How much of this country and our values are they

898
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Speaker 1: willing to sell out? But aren't you a Republican? Um?

899
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Speaker 1: I am a Republican, but I'm not going to be

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Speaker 1: a Republican anymore. I've I've got to become an independent.

901
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: That is the Joe Scarborough version of bravery. Go on

902
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Speaker 1: the Trump bashing left wing Colbert TV show, and in

903
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Speaker 1: front of that studio audience, just tell everybody how terrible

904
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Speaker 1: Trump is, how the Republican Party has been corrupted, and

905
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Speaker 1: then bask in the glow of that public adulation. Everyone

906
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: you're yeah, he let me. I'm gonna tell you something.

907
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: And it's gonna be hard to everybody. It's gonna be

908
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: hard for you to hear this room full of Democrats

909
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: and Stephen Colbert who hates Trump and is a political hack.

910
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: But I'm not going to be a Republican anymore. I've decided.

911
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: I know, I know it's hard. I've decided to leave

912
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Speaker 1: the party. Yeah, no surprise, no surprise there. Uh you'll

913
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Speaker 1: see a number of these short term defections. By the way,

914
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Speaker 1: if if Trump's agenda gets rolling and Trump is doing

915
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Speaker 1: really well, I promise you you'll have then the next

916
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Speaker 1: speech you'll see the next big Joe Scarborough a moment

917
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Speaker 1: not on the Colbert Report, but probably on his own show,

918
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Speaker 1: will be you know, Donald Trump's really turned the ship around,

919
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Speaker 1: these really gut things going here, and I just I'm

920
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Speaker 1: a Republican again. Uh. It should be noted though, before

921
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Speaker 1: we all um stand around and talk about how wonderful,

922
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Speaker 1: how brave, how I know you're not gonna do this

923
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Speaker 1: at all, But before we discussed Joe Scarborough in glowing

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Speaker 1: term arms for his decision to become an independent. So

925
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be along with thought Bernie Sandeth. It's crazy,

926
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Speaker 1: you know, look at me, look at him. We're in

927
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Speaker 1: the same party now independent. Uh so there you go,

928
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Speaker 1: Joe Scarborough, Bernie Sanders, the Independence. Uh. Well, Scarborough's not

929
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Speaker 1: a senator, but he was a member of Congress for

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Speaker 1: the Republicans for I don't know a little while. But

931
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Speaker 1: here's part of it. Here's the problem for Scarborough. Beside

932
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Speaker 1: the fact that I think that at some point he

933
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Speaker 1: should show up for his TV show and not look

934
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Speaker 1: like he's, uh, some some dude in the suburbs who's

935
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Speaker 1: taking his akita for a walk. Um. But he, which

936
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Speaker 1: is I just you always always dresses like he's just

937
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Speaker 1: come back from a warm up. He's like warm up

938
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Speaker 1: in warmup gear. He's just come back from pilates class

939
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Speaker 1: or something. But Scarborough was part of the Trump phenomenon.

940
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Speaker 1: Scarborough was pushing Trump. He was very friendly with Trump,

941
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Speaker 1: so route I don't mean friendly with him ten years ago.

942
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Speaker 1: I mean friendly during the campaign. So now when it

943
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Speaker 1: is most politically convenient, when it is to his greatest

944
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Speaker 1: advantage to abandoned ship. And at at MSNBC, by the way,

945
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Speaker 1: all of the all of the momentum is on the

946
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Speaker 1: anti Trump train. You know. I will say this to

947
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Speaker 1: be fair to SNN I think part of CNN's ratings

948
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Speaker 1: woes come from the overcrowding of the quote resistance, meaning

949
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Speaker 1: that because MSNBC is coming at it already from such

950
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Speaker 1: a clearly anti Trump point of view, CNN is kind

951
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Speaker 1: of like an also ran anti Trump. You know, they're like, oh,

952
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Speaker 1: we don't like Trump either, you know, MSNBC is like, sorry,

953
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: we're here first. Uh. That's that's the reality of the

954
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Speaker 1: cable news race right now, and and in the media

955
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Speaker 1: ecosystem in general. If you're gonna be the anti Trump outlet,

956
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Speaker 1: you better one have been there all along and to

957
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Speaker 1: be really anti Trump. And so that's why I think

958
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Speaker 1: again and has some problems because they, by the way,

959
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Speaker 1: they could have covered this administration as straight down the

960
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Speaker 1: line journalist and I think they'd be doing much better

961
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Speaker 1: meeting a a neutral or as close to neutral as

962
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Speaker 1: one can get editorial line towards the Trump administration for CNN,

963
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: I think would have worked very well, meaning just they

964
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Speaker 1: just chased the facts and their brand is journalism. Instead

965
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Speaker 1: their brand is opinion journalism. That's pretending not to be

966
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Speaker 1: a opinion journalism. And MSNBC is just as much as

967
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Speaker 1: it pains me to say, just a more honest place

968
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Speaker 1: in this regard. Um, But I digress. So Joe Scarborough

969
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Speaker 1: is saying he's no longer a member of the Republican Party.

970
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's official or if he was

971
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Speaker 1: just saying that as aligned to get some claps on

972
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Speaker 1: the on the Colbert rapport. Sorry, that's the old show.

973
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Speaker 1: Whatever it is tonight with Stephen Colbert, the Colbert Rapport,

974
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Speaker 1: which I will say it was, was a much funnier show.

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Speaker 1: Colbert's version of an O'Reilly esque character was much fun

976
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Speaker 1: to her than Stephen Colbert ever was, or or will

977
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Speaker 1: be most likely. Uh So, yeah, Scarboroughs is the first.

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00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: There'll be others. There'll be others that try to defect

979
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: towards the center or maybe even defect the Democratic Party

980
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: because it's tough right now. To hold the line for

981
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 1: Trump and to hold the line for the Republican Party,

982
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: which Trump is the de facto leader of, is not easy.

983
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 1: It's not easy in the media, it's not easy for

984
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: people in their day to day lives. Personally. I think

985
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: you get a lot of heat for this, and they

986
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: don't make it a It's not a fair playing field, right,

987
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to make your arguments because you automatically

988
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: are forced to defend whatever the worst thing is they

989
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: can think of Trump. That's what you are pushed to.

990
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: Try to explain and decides, you know, try to come

991
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 1: up with some rationale for I don't know, why did

992
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: Donnie Trump Junior say some things about the meeting that

993
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: don't appear to be true a few times over. You know,

994
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: why did that happen? I just want to talk about

995
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: what matters to the country. The media wants to talk

996
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: about what is difficult for Trump, and Joe Scarborough wants

997
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 1: to talk about whatever is best for Joe Scarborough. Buck,

998
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: that's so unfair. I mean, gosh, come on, man, look

999
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: at this hair swoop. It's like we're related. I know Joe,

1000
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: I know hitting to break your team back with much

1001
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Speaker 1: more in just a few He's an x C I

1002
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Speaker 1: a officer who knows how to outsmart the enemies of liberty.

1003
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Speaker 1: What I do have a very particular set of skills,

1004
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: Buck Sexton, with America Now team your mission, should you

1005
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: choose to accept it, call the Freedom Hunt Operations Center

1006
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Speaker 1: nine hundred, Buck, make contact unless you're under hostile surveillance

1007
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Speaker 1: two eight to five. What about is UM is rampant

1008
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: these days? UM, and you'll hear this talk to out

1009
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: in the context of how people are defending uh Donald

1010
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:11,919
Speaker 1: Trump in particular, because there have been other efforts out

1011
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: there to influence elections, and we certainly had a criminal

1012
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: investigation ongoing with Hillary Clinton and the way the media

1013
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: treated that very real FBI investigation of an individual in

1014
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: her handling up classified information was was treated by the

1015
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: media in a way that we we could never be

1016
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Speaker 1: in any doubt about just how in the tank for

1017
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: Hillary and the Democratic Party they were. But then you

1018
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Speaker 1: get into the reality or the the rhythm really of

1019
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: what about this, what about that? And you don't want

1020
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Speaker 1: to use this to avoid a discussion of the problem

1021
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: at hand. We have. I saw a few pieces about

1022
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: this today and I've I've mentioned what about is them

1023
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: here on the show? Which is a fancy way or

1024
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: just a new way of talking about a a diversion,

1025
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: a a move to talk about something that you're more

1026
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: confident with. I should note that in the cable TV world,

1027
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: this is the way that a lot of a lot

1028
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: of pundits handle almost everything, so that they'll go on

1029
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: and what you end up doing is if, especially if

1030
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Speaker 1: you're going to be an opposition on like a CNN,

1031
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: or if you're gonna be a conservative on MSNBC, or

1032
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna be a liberal on Fox, people who want

1033
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: to get on TV will say, yeah, I'll defend that.

1034
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: That really tough to defend position, you know, I'll I'll

1035
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Speaker 1: be the one that defends that. I remember I was

1036
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Speaker 1: asked at CNN and I just declined because I had

1037
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Speaker 1: other things I had to do that day. But I

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Speaker 1: think they wanted me to come on and talk about

1039
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Speaker 1: what what Dr Carson had said about about prison and

1040
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: about uh same sex attraction something like that. I don't

1041
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Speaker 1: remember this specifics is a long time ago, but I

1042
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Speaker 1: was just now. I don't think I've got other things

1043
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: to do today. But the way that people in a

1044
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: hostile environment on TV usually go about their segment, or

1045
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: the way that the pundit will try and uh hold

1046
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: their ground is too just completely ignore whatever the issue

1047
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: is and talking about what you want to talk about.

1048
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: Politicians will do this as well when pushed, and as

1049
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: we see now because we have a pundit and TV

1050
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: star as president and Obama was really his greatest skills

1051
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: were very similar to that of being an actor, skills

1052
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: of rhetoric and persona and charisma. Same thing by the

1053
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: way with Trump, just very different rhetoric and persona and charisma.

1054
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 1: But the way that politicians and pundits will deal with

1055
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: a subject that they don't particularly want to have to

1056
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: get into the merits, the facts of is they will

1057
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: just immediately shift to something else. So they'll let's say

1058
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Speaker 1: they bring me on TV. They say, uh, well, Buck,

1059
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: look at what this. Look at this racist tweet by

1060
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Speaker 1: a Trump supporter. What do you think about that? And

1061
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Speaker 1: now I think I'd be completely justified in this specific

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Speaker 1: tactic given the hypothetical circumstance I'm coming up with here.

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Speaker 1: But if I said, uh, you know, this is typical

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Speaker 1: of the media trying to box someone in with a

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Speaker 1: tweet that means nothing, when in reality we should be

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Speaker 1: talking about healthcare. You know that the Trump administrations trying

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Speaker 1: to expand coverage, etcetera, etcetera. That that this is the

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Speaker 1: classic technique because you only have you have a very

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Speaker 1: condensed cable. TV is a largely rigged ecosystem. For argument, Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's very much. The visual cues are very important in

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Speaker 1: all of this, the timing of the segments. You know,

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Speaker 1: you'll notice when a host likes a guest, the guest

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Speaker 1: will be allowed to speak without interruption for longer periods

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Speaker 1: of time. Usually the guest is one on one with

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Speaker 1: the host, and there's an entirely different atmosphere, whereas if

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Speaker 1: the host is going to be confrontational, there's multiple there's

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01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 1: rapid fire interruptions, and of course then it just usually

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01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: escalates from there. But on TV you see a lot

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Speaker 1: of what about is ms people. They will shift the

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01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: subject matter too, well, what about this and what about that?

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Speaker 1: What's interesting? And I saw a piece, like I said,

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Speaker 1: David Harsani on The Federalist wrote something on this. Uh

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Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro and these are the two people who are

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Speaker 1: uh much admired friends and guests on the show. Uh

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Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro wrote about something on the Daily Wire along

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Speaker 1: these lines, and they're breaking down that what about is

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01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: um is shouldn't be a a reflexive response. We should

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01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: not feel like we're in a position where we automatically

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Speaker 1: just we shift the topic. Oh. A great example of

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Speaker 1: this is Akhmadina Jod when he went to UH Columbia

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Speaker 1: and they tried to ask him some questions I think

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Speaker 1: about about homosexuality in Iran, and he just was like, well,

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Speaker 1: look at what you guys did to the Shaw or

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01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: you know, look at what happened and look at US

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01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: foreign policy and you know the middle of the Middle

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01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: East sort of the last two decades. I mean, it's

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01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: just a complete it's really a non sequitur, meaning it

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01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the issue at hand. But

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Speaker 1: also it was a complete diversion of digression. Um what

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Speaker 1: because he didn't want to talk about that at Columbia University.

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Speaker 1: And then I think he actually responded when he was

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Speaker 1: a Columbia well there are no gay people in Iran,

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Speaker 1: which for the liberals and the audience at Columbia, this

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01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: was years and years ago, but I remember it. Uh,

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01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: that was They're like, oh gosh, this guy, I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: He's a leader. He's a He's a leader from an

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Speaker 1: oppressed country of the third world. With that that is

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01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: that is non Western, non white majority, Like, how do

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Speaker 1: we we're supposed to think that this he's going to

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Speaker 1: say things that are worth us hearing, not that he's

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Speaker 1: a bigoted lunatic. Oh my gosh, you could tell that

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Speaker 1: a Columbia there were so ah, this is before we

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Speaker 1: use the term snowflake, but the snowflake phenomenon has been

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Speaker 1: prominent on campuses for a long time. Um. Anyway, what

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Speaker 1: about is him in the context of Trump and the

1116
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: Trump administration is that you have to strike a balance

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01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: between talking about how the media is unfair and not

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01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: just using media unfairness at every turn as an excuse

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Speaker 1: for whatever it is Trump says, whatever it is Trump

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Speaker 1: has done, or you know, if, for example, if if

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Speaker 1: I'm going to push on the issue of infrastructure spending,

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Speaker 1: which I know the administration says it's supposed to be

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Speaker 1: a public private partnership, and then the other I've got

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Speaker 1: some fancy plans for infrastructure, which a trillion dollar plan.

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Speaker 1: Who knows this is ever going to get off the ground.

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Speaker 1: Based on the speed with which we've seen everything else

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Speaker 1: happened or not happened in the Congress in recent months,

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Speaker 1: who knows if we will ever get there. I'm I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not making any prognostications about what's going

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Speaker 1: to go through with this Congress and what's not. But

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01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 1: if I were to say that that's not a conservative

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Speaker 1: that's not a conservative proposal, or that we should as

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01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: conservatives we shouldn't push for more government spending, it's not

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Speaker 1: useful and I don't think it's a an intellectually honest

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01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 1: place to be to say, well, what about if Hillary

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01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 1: was president? You know, then then things would be so

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01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: much worse. Okay, Yeah, but we're trying to We're trying

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01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: to work with what's going on right now and make

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Speaker 1: it better. And what about Hillary can't be the response

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Speaker 1: to everything. UH. And you know, other other conservatives out

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01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: there are saying this, and this is not um. This

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01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: is something that's been coming up a lot recently because

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Speaker 1: I think especially with the UH. Well, you know, it

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01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 1: was interesting with what Kim Strassel, who I think is

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Speaker 1: just fantastic by the way, what she mentioned before about

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01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: how Trump needs to lead and use his Twitter account

1147
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: for policy. Yes, it is a good thing. It is

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01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: a useful thing for the president of the United States

1149
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: to be able to reach so many people and push

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Speaker 1: back against the media narrative in the way that he

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01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: does using a Twitter account. But it would be nice

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01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 1: if he used it not just to hit at the media,

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01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: to hit back at the media, not just a counter

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01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: attack and and deal with the Russian narrative, but also

1155
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: to promote policies that people can be enthusiastic about, to

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01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: promote ideas and ways forward for the Republican Party that

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01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: are constructive and that will unite and UH and be

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01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: useful to the party. Quite frankly, I mean, that would

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01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: be a great thing. And I would like to see

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Speaker 1: more of that. And I think we get bogged down

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Speaker 1: in what about Hillary? What about this? What about that? Uh,

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01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 1: the constant transition as a means of defending everything that

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01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: Trump does, the constant transition to some other thing that

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Speaker 1: may be true, by the way, and some degree of

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01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: that is necessary. You know, it is impossible to understand

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01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 1: the media's hatred for Trump and put it in the

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Speaker 1: proper context without citing the Hillary Clinton email investigation. I

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01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: don't think that that's unfair to do. In fact, I

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01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 1: think there's a necessity if you if you're trying to

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Speaker 1: be honest and fair minded about out it. But we

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01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 1: need to draw some boundaries. There needs to be some uh,

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01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: some honest, some consistent honesty about where we stand on

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01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: issues within the Trump administration, regardless of whether it would

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Speaker 1: be worse if we had a Democrat or whether Trump

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01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: is you know, things are tough, and we expect things

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Speaker 1: to be tough. Right. They say this is the hardest

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Speaker 1: job in the world, By the way, I don't think

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Speaker 1: that that's true. I think anywhere, any any job where

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Speaker 1: you're you're super famous, don't have to pay for anything

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01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 1: and get a private jet service and have have armed

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01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: guards all over the place protecting you. I don't think

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Speaker 1: that's the hardest job in the world. But what about

1183
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: is um is real. We should keep an eye in it.

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01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: It should not be used in a reflective fashion to

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Speaker 1: excuse everything Trump administration does, but we are going to

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01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 1: have to also use it when it comes to the

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01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 1: media's double standards and duplicity. Team. We've got much more,

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01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: including the new FBI director and a discussion of overpopulation

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01:07:56,520 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: and the left's insanity over it coming up. Looks like

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Speaker 1: the FBI is going to have a new director pretty soon.

1191
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 1: Here you have Christopher Ray, who was pledging to be

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Speaker 1: independent today in front of the Senate during a Senate

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Speaker 1: Judiciary Committee hearing. This guy is a former DI o

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Speaker 1: J official. He's also a defense lawyer. I always feel

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Speaker 1: like if I had gone down a legal path, I

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Speaker 1: would want to be a defense lawyer more than a prosecutor.

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Speaker 1: That's just me. Um. But he yeah, so he has

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Speaker 1: quite a resume, and he said at one point during

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Speaker 1: the hearing today that if the President asked him to

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01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: do something unethical or illegal, he said, quote, first, I

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Speaker 1: would try to talk him out of that, out of it,

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Speaker 1: and if that failed, then I would resign. You know,

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01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: it's amazing to me how few government employees resign give

1204
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: and how incredibly politicized many of the issues that face

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Speaker 1: the executive branch, not just under the Trump administration, but

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Speaker 1: under the Obama administration. Really, let's be honest, under most

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01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: administrations in recent memory, there have been very contentious issues.

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Speaker 1: And I think it is part of our bureaucratic culture

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01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 1: now that people like to maybe talk to the press

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01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: and get their story out there anonymously. They'll play the

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01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 1: game politically in that sense, but they won't take the

1212
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Speaker 1: hit to their paycheck, you know. They they won't take

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01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 1: the risk of standing up and saying, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I just refuse to be a part of this anymore,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to stand uh. Therefore, we're going to

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01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 1: stand up publicly and resign. Given how much self righteous

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01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: after government service memoirs that how many uh self righteous

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Speaker 1: after I've finished my government service memoirs there are out there,

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Speaker 1: don't you think it? We could expect at some point

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Speaker 1: someone would resign in protests now that the closest thing

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Speaker 1: we've had recently was Acting Attorney General Sally Yates at

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Speaker 1: the d O j but she was fired, she didn't resign,

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Speaker 1: and she grandstanded while in office. You know, she she

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01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 1: could have just resigned, but instead she wanted to make

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Speaker 1: herself an anti Trump martyrn As we see from her

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Speaker 1: most recent Twitter activity, which now all because of Trump.

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01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 1: Now all public officials have to have some Twitter presence,

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01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: it seems uh she decided to force the administration, force

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Speaker 1: the president to fire her instead of resigning in protests.

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01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 1: But in general, I just think you see very few resignations.

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01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 1: You see very few people who are willing to take

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Speaker 1: some actual risk to their careers or as I said before,

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Speaker 1: risk to their bottom line, their bank account. Um. And

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Speaker 1: it's only after the fact, when they're trying to sell

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Speaker 1: the memoir, try to sell their story and become maybe

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01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: a CNN contributor or something, that all of a sudden

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01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 1: you'll see there's a willingness to speak out about whatever

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01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 1: impropriety or usually it's just a dispute over politics. It's

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01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 1: not actual whistle blowing. It's I think, you know, I

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01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: think this was bad. I remember the guy who Richard Clark,

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01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 1: who was the UH I forget even oh that's right.

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Speaker 1: He was the counter terrorism chief and you know, he said,

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Speaker 1: you know, I I apologize on behalf of the government

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Speaker 1: for nine eleven. It's you know, that's a guy who,

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01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: to me was standing up and making making a name

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01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:40,480
Speaker 1: for himself and cloaking himself in some degree of self righteousness.

1247
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 1: You know, I I am apologizing on behalf of the government. UH.

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Speaker 1: People that have a real problem with the functions of

1249
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: the administration they work for should quit, but back to UH,

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01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 1: and they should they should be able to do so

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01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: publicly and say why and all that. But I don't

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01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,160
Speaker 1: like this trend we see of bureaucrats who are are

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01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: first and foremost dedicated to their own their own interests,

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01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: and we don't call them out on this. So, but

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Speaker 1: Christopher Ray is going to be the FBI director, it

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01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 1: seems I don't know. I can't think of any reason

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Speaker 1: why he would get blocked at this point, which also

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Speaker 1: then means it's very likely that this is an individual,

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Speaker 1: this is an individual who will ah be caught in

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Speaker 1: the mailstrom. He's going to be in the center of

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Speaker 1: the political storm. I think that much is obvious. There's

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Speaker 1: no way that the whoever is that the FBI is

1263
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 1: not going to be forced as a result of the well,

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Speaker 1: the Special Council investigation. I know is is supposed to

1265
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 1: be separate, but the FBI, if presented with new evidence

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Speaker 1: or new allegations that I have to do with this administration,

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01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 1: might be in a position to investigate them, or might

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Speaker 1: be forced to investigate them because of whatever the facts

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Speaker 1: at the time are. I also think that there is

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Speaker 1: a possibility of the great legal what about is um

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Speaker 1: if you will, we talked about what about is um

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Speaker 1: uh and the great legal what about is um that

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Speaker 1: could happen under the Trump administration would be if Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump says, you know what, fine, you want to talk

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Speaker 1: Russia all the time. You want to make this all

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Speaker 1: about Russia. And you think that the Democrats think that

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Speaker 1: they're going to slow down and nullify eventually my administration,

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Speaker 1: and and they of course want to push for impeachment proceedings.

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Speaker 1: But Democrats think they're going to achieve all that with

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Speaker 1: the russ invest Russia investigation. How how would they like

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Speaker 1: a reopening of the Hillary email investigation with a special

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Speaker 1: Council attached to it? Now? I know that the d

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Speaker 1: o J can make the determination without the president. It's

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Speaker 1: supposed to make the determination without the President about a

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Speaker 1: special counsel. But there's uh no reason to believe that

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Speaker 1: that couldn't be done. And I think you could make

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Speaker 1: a very clear case and honest and ethical case based

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Speaker 1: on the fact that we know of with the REDDA

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Speaker 1: Lynch's intervention, as stated by former FBI Director James Comey,

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Speaker 1: that a special counsel to look at Hillary's emails would

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Speaker 1: be a and particularly the forget about just the emails,

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Speaker 1: or put aside for a second the emails, but the

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Speaker 1: possible obstruction and corruption involved in that process to make

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Speaker 1: sure that a certain outcome happened to make sure that

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Speaker 1: Hillary would not be prosecuted. To me, that seems like

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Speaker 1: an entirely justifiable and entirely worthwhile expenditure of government resources

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Speaker 1: based on what we know. I think that's an option

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Speaker 1: that is well the Again, the administration isn't really supposed

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Speaker 1: to be the one pushing for it, but I think

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Speaker 1: that that could happen if the President directs the Attorney

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Speaker 1: general to look into that corruption, and the Attorney General says, well,

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Speaker 1: I think it would be best if we had the

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01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 1: appearance of of impartiality here, Well, how do you do that?

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01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,040
Speaker 1: Look at what we have with Russia special counsels. So

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Speaker 1: that I think is a future that we may see

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01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: in relatively short order, and it would just completely upend

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01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 1: the entire media narrative. It would put if you want

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01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 1: to talk about putting the media on defense, all of

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01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 1: a sudden, now you've got a Lynch testifying, you'd have

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Speaker 1: the Hillary investigation brought up again. I gotta say, I

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01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 1: don't like this trend of prosecuting and investigating your political opponents,

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01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:30,599
Speaker 1: but Democrats do it so much that it's hard not

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01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,639
Speaker 1: to get pulled into a tit for tat. It's hard

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01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 1: not to fight fire with fire, even if it means

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01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 1: that in the process you are leaving some of your ideals,

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01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 1: if not completely aside, you're not making them the price

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01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 1: the primary uh tool in your decision making. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have my I have my prognostication here. I think

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01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 1: you you could see some future investigation of instruction around

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Speaker 1: Hillary's emails. That would be quite a move for the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration. Alright, we're gonna talk about overpopulation and much

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Speaker 1: more coming up here in just a few minutes. I

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Speaker 1: want to fight climate change, have fewer children. That is

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Speaker 1: the title of an article in the Guardian, a very

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Speaker 1: widely read and well known left wing British newspaper, And

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Speaker 1: I want to walk you through some of the argument

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Speaker 1: here because it's it's appalling that this is what we

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01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 1: will hear in this day and age. But it's for

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01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 1: anyone who has any questions about just how crazy is

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01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 1: the climate change movement? How completely detached from reality are

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01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:51,480
Speaker 1: people that make these sweeping claims about the impending environmental

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Speaker 1: catastrophe because of c O two in the air. They

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01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: are really nuts, all right? And this article which which

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01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: just straight up says that there are people there, there

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Speaker 1: are scientists even who believe that you should have at

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Speaker 1: least one less child. Maybe you don't have any children,

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01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you don't reproduce, Maybe don't do what

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01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 1: we are here as a species to do, because well,

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01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,679
Speaker 1: for one, we are running out of resources of course

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01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 1: to CEO two emissions, and three we're crowding out other species.

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Speaker 1: I'll get into all of these arguments, but here is

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01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 1: what this this piece and the Guardian says the next

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01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 1: best actions other than not having another kid are selling

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01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 1: your car, avoiding long flights, and eating a vegetarian diet. Uh. First,

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01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,839
Speaker 1: who who thinks that this is going to be advice

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01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: that anyone is adhered is adhering to. This is advice

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01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 1: given by people who have had a break with their

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01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 1: rational self. Uh. This is just complete and utter nonsense.

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01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 1: And it goes it gets worse. They write, Uh, these

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01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 1: reduce emissions many times more than common green activities such

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01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 1: as recycling, using low energy light bulbs or dry washing

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01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 1: on a line. However, the high impact actions are rarely

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01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 1: mentioned in government advice in school textbooks. Researchers found the

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01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:15,680
Speaker 1: argument here just is bizarre. So not only should you

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Speaker 1: stop having children, not take flights, and eat a plant

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Speaker 1: based diet, and don't fly on planes for a long time,

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01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 1: you also should more or less it doesn't really matter

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Speaker 1: what you're doing with regard to recycling and and uh,

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01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: different light bulbs and so all the things that the

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01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 1: environmental movement has been jamming down our throats mandating for decades.

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Speaker 1: Now about oh, well, if you use different light bulbs

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Speaker 1: and take shorter showers and bicycle ride to work instead

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01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 1: of having a car. Uh, that has no real impact

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01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 1: on anything, or at least not enough of an impact

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01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 1: to make a difference, which many of us have been

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01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:55,639
Speaker 1: saying all along. But here they're they're breaking it down

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Speaker 1: by the numbers, in fact, to make a case for

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Speaker 1: why having one fewer child is, if you are a

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Speaker 1: true environmentalist, having less kids or no kids is the

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Speaker 1: single most valiant, brave and wonderful thing you can do. Uh.

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Speaker 1: They do it by tons of c O two. They

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Speaker 1: break this down in the Guardian article by tons of

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Speaker 1: c O two equivalent per year for one person. And

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Speaker 1: if you live car free, it's two point four less

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01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 1: avoid one transatlantic flight one point six less by green

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01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 1: energy one point four switch electric car one point one.

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Speaker 1: Eat a plant based diet point eight no, thank you,

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01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 1: t bone steaks for this guy, bacon five days a week.

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Speaker 1: And that's for real. By the way, eat a plant

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Speaker 1: based diet, Yeah, no way. Replace typical car with hybrid

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01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 1: point five totally worthless. Wash clothes in cold water point

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01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 1: to worthless hand dry clothes, point to worthless. Recycle point too,

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01:19:54,760 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 1: same upgrade lightbulbs. Point one. Have one fewer child fifty

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Speaker 1: eight point six tons of c O two equivalent per

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Speaker 1: year saved here. So what they're trying to tell you,

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Speaker 1: what this study published in Environmental Research Letters is telling you,

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Speaker 1: is that having fewer kids will save the planet. Think

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Speaker 1: of how backwards and crazy that is, by the way,

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01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 1: and also think about how they just move from one

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Speaker 1: thing to another way. You know if we if you

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01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 1: don't recycle, you're a bad person. There's recycle shaming. In fact,

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Speaker 1: even I think some some kidnergarteners I've I've read stories

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01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 1: about how they didn't recycle and teachers gave them a

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01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 1: mean lecture about it. But here we're told that that

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01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 1: stuff doesn't really matter. You need to have fewer kids. Now.

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Speaker 1: The overpopulation myth, by the way, is nothing new. Oh wait,

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Speaker 1: before I get to the overpopulation myth. One of the

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Speaker 1: researchers in this study in Sweden, named Kimberly Nicholas, said

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Speaker 1: the following. In life, there are many values on which

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Speaker 1: people make decisions, and carbon is only one of them.

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Speaker 1: I don't have children, but it is a choice I

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Speaker 1: am considering and discussing with my fiance because we care

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01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:11,599
Speaker 1: so much about climate change, that will certainly be one

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01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 1: factor we consider in the decision. This is a scientist

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Speaker 1: who thinks that she should not have a kid because,

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Speaker 1: or at least we would consider not to overstate would

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Speaker 1: consider not having a kid because of the c o

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Speaker 1: to impact on the planet from her having a child.

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Speaker 1: This person is uh, you know I I like I said,

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Speaker 1: having a break with reality, has lost all sense of

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Speaker 1: context and objectivity. Maybe she's a brilliant scientist. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but come on, this is a well, this is when

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Speaker 1: you get into it's a religious belief. It is. It

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Speaker 1: is a faith based position, and not in a good way. Um,

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Speaker 1: but this is a population overpopulation has been around, the

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Speaker 1: idea of overpop relation has been around since ancient times

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Speaker 1: and it's always very closely tied in the historical record.

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Speaker 1: Two eugenics eugenics course being the the practice of, or

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Speaker 1: the the the pseudo science of improving the human population

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Speaker 1: through controlled breeding. Like we are race horses or dogs

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Speaker 1: or something, you know, we need to be pure bred.

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Speaker 1: That's what eugenics is as a science. Well, I'll get

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Speaker 1: into the science and Francis Galton in a second. But

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Speaker 1: first eugenics, which is improving the human race by controlled

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Speaker 1: breeding and yes, by the elimination of undesirables. The sterilization

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Speaker 1: of undesirables has been around for a long time in

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Speaker 1: ancient Sparta, for example, a place that I am fond

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Speaker 1: of in the sense that it is fascinating, but was

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Speaker 1: a brutal place, a slave state, and by our own standards,

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01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 1: it was not about you know, freedom, democracy and human

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01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 1: rights at all um. But an ancient Sparta Plutarch wrote

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Speaker 1: about the practice of leaving the babies that were sick,

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Speaker 1: that were weekly, that were weaklings, that were considered genetic

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Speaker 1: undesirables at birth, leave them to die on a peak

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Speaker 1: of Mount Tagatis, and the place for this exposure was

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Speaker 1: the apothete, which means deposits. It's quite a terrible euphemism,

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01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:31,880
Speaker 1: but so an ancient and ancient in ancient Greece. Rather

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Speaker 1: that this was a practice that has been written about,

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01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 1: there some historical record of it, and that was because

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01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 1: they didn't want an overpopulation of weak people. They'd have

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Speaker 1: to be supported by others, and so this was an

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Speaker 1: early instance of eugenics and overpopulation coming together. It was

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Speaker 1: later on in the nineteenth century that a cousin of

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Speaker 1: Charles Darwin, Sir Francis Galton, applied the theory dar Rwin's

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Speaker 1: theory of natural selection to humanity. So this guy comes

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01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:07,759
Speaker 1: along and says, oh, Darwin, yeah, he's my like half cousin.

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Speaker 1: He's got some interesting stuff. So let's apply natural selection

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01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 1: to human beings. But by apply it, he means let's

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01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 1: actually remove the constraints on natural selection, meaning that people

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01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 1: that need help get help, and maybe even speed it

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01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:29,760
Speaker 1: up by uh pushing aside sterilizing those who have bad

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Speaker 1: genetics that we don't want passed on to the next generation.

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Speaker 1: So that was an idea that the Nazis seized upon, UH.

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Speaker 1: And they were the most notorious, the most uh engaged

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Speaker 1: in this widespread evil in history. UH. They engaged in

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Speaker 1: the of course, the elimination of people in in mass uh,

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Speaker 1: in the death camps, millions of people, six million Jews,

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Speaker 1: five million non Jews. But as part of their uh

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Speaker 1: they're evil final solution ocean UH machinery, or as part

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Speaker 1: of the effort to control the population based on these

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01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 1: these deeply racist uh not just anti Semitic but also

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Speaker 1: anti Semitic, but um notions of inferior populations. Uh, they

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01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 1: murdered people in huge numbers. So, but they relied on

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Speaker 1: on eugenics theory as the justification of creating the Aryan

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Speaker 1: master race, and you're all familiar with with that that history.

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Speaker 1: But they sterilized also hundreds of thousands of people in

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Speaker 1: addition to the murder of millions of people in the

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Speaker 1: death camps um and the mentally the mentally ill should

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Speaker 1: be noted were the first ones and political opponents, but

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Speaker 1: the mentally ill were among the first that the Nazis

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Speaker 1: uh liquidated in the camps um. The Nazis were the worst,

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Speaker 1: and of course there's no one to really ever compare

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Speaker 1: to the Nazis in full um. But this is not

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Speaker 1: the only time in history, of course, that there have

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Speaker 1: been efforts to exterminate people, and eugenics has been part

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Speaker 1: of the rational the rationalization for that evil um. And

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Speaker 1: in this country we actually have a history of eugenics um,

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Speaker 1: not to the degree of people being sent off into

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Speaker 1: camps to die, but we did. It was US law

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Speaker 1: to sterilized tens of thousands of people starting the twenties.

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01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 1: So eugenics as an idea spread into this country. And again,

1482
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 1: eugenics is always rooted in at some level not allowing

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01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 1: there to be an overpopulation of undesirables. And there was

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Speaker 1: a Supreme Court case in fact, Buck versus bell Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Buck versus bell Um, where a woman who was a

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Speaker 1: mentally disabled was sterilized and when all the Supreme Court,

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01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court upheld the and it wasn't ntil late

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01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 1: nineteen forties that a decision came down that essentially made

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Speaker 1: sterilization UH illegal in this country. But eugenics had spread

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01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 1: as an idea had spread here. Um, and then I

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01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:11,800
Speaker 1: should Skinner of the Oklahoma, by the way, was the

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Speaker 1: case of two. So I said, not late nineteen Skinner

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Speaker 1: of Oklahoma two. But even more recently, you have the

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Speaker 1: argument that will be made that we are crowding out

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Speaker 1: other species. I mean, this is just insane. Um. You

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01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 1: had this group, the Center for Biological Diversity. They were

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01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 1: written about inn in the New York Times. They're going

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01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:42,679
Speaker 1: to college campuses and they're handing out uh, they're handing

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01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 1: out prophylactic devices, condoms, and the propaganda that's literally written

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01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:51,599
Speaker 1: on the condoms has to do with don't procreate because

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01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,759
Speaker 1: you're crowding at other species. They have condoms with things

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01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: on them like wrap with care, save the polar bear,

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01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 1: and where a condom now save the spotted owl. This

1504
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 1: was a real This was a real group that was

1505
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:10,719
Speaker 1: saying that human beings are so are are so present

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01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 1: now all over the globe and are are reproducing at

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01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 1: such rates that we need to stop because other speecies,

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01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:18,640
Speaker 1: there's gonna be mass species die off because they're just

1509
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 1: too many people in the world. Again, overpopulation and population

1510
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 1: control as some kind of scientific moral imperative, it's always

1511
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 1: pseudo science. It's nonsense. It's based in ignorance and really

1512
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 1: a kind of pseudoscientific superstition in the case of overpopulation theory,

1513
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:39,760
Speaker 1: but it's a it's a very real thing. There are

1514
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 1: groups that make these arguments still to this day. Well,

1515
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 1: we're seeing our version of the overpopulation myth has to

1516
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 1: do with uh CEO too, of course, because that's why

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01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 1: America is held up as the worst place when it

1518
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 1: comes to the overpopulation problem. We're not reproducing at as

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01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 1: fast rate as other countries, and we're obviously as populous

1520
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:05,679
Speaker 1: as countries like China and India. But because we consume more,

1521
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 1: our people produce more c O two, and therefore, by

1522
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:16,799
Speaker 1: the logic of these crazy movements about overpopulation, by their logic,

1523
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 1: America is the greatest overpopulator, and so we need to

1524
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 1: have less Americans, we need to have less babies. These

1525
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 1: are arguments that are made in in public groups like

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01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:31,640
Speaker 1: the Sierra Club and others that are supposedly somewhat mainstream

1527
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 1: will dabble in these arguments in one way or another. UH.

1528
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:40,799
Speaker 1: They're based on a Malthusian fallacy. Malthus, for those wondering,

1529
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:45,719
Speaker 1: is Thomas Robert Malthus, who was an eighteen to nineteenth

1530
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 1: century English writer and philosopher and scholar who figured the

1531
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 1: population will increase to a point where there will be

1532
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 1: a shortage of food and they'll be die off until

1533
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 1: they uh, they get in alignment with each other, our

1534
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 1: ability to feed ourselves in the level of the pulation.

1535
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:02,600
Speaker 1: He was wrong, by the way, of course, and we

1536
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 1: continue to have Malthusian fallacies UH to this day, and

1537
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 1: c O two is no different. We may get much

1538
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 1: better at handling any possible climate change, which of course

1539
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 1: I don't think the climate change is the threat that

1540
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 1: the climate change alarms do at all, but we may

1541
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 1: get much better at it. We are already decarbonizing naturally

1542
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 1: as a as a planet. That's just happening because of

1543
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 1: the way our energy sectors are going, and there's there's

1544
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 1: no need for this hysterical overreaction to it. But but

1545
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 1: it's a a long standing UH it's a long standing

1546
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 1: status problem. People that believe very strongly in the state.

1547
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 1: They want the state to be able to control population.

1548
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 1: They want state to control who has kids. Uh, And

1549
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:49,560
Speaker 1: it's it's one of the most insidious forms of control imaginable,

1550
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 1: isn't it to tell someone that they can and cannot

1551
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:53,720
Speaker 1: have children. Of course it goes on in China with

1552
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:57,799
Speaker 1: the one child policy, but it's being made now as

1553
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:01,719
Speaker 1: a a moral argument to save the world from climate change.

1554
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 1: Have less kids part of the overpopulation fallacy, and also

1555
01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 1: at its root there's always some tie into the ideology

1556
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 1: of eugenics. Whenever you're talking about overpopulation, it's always overpopulation

1557
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:20,599
Speaker 1: of and when when the left and these progressives are

1558
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 1: making the case, it's overpopulation of quote undesirables, whether it's

1559
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 1: in a localized or a global fashion right and Sparta

1560
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:32,759
Speaker 1: it was it was localized in a global way. Now

1561
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 1: it's Americans produced too much c O two. So we

1562
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 1: are in a sense the undesirables and should have fewer

1563
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 1: children as a result of this to make up for

1564
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 1: our sins. I know, guys, it's the ideology is insane

1565
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 1: and it's really um it's appalling and upsetting that any

1566
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:54,920
Speaker 1: scientists anywhere would would give credibility to this kind of thinking,

1567
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 1: because I promise you they are not just immoral, but

1568
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 1: also wrong on the facts about overpopulation. But here we

1569
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 1: are the Guardian newspaper in the UK saying have less

1570
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:09,320
Speaker 1: kids save the planet. Can't make this stuff up. Everybody

1571
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:17,280
Speaker 1: hitting a break will be right back. I don't know

1572
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 1: how many of you saw this, but there was a

1573
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:24,760
Speaker 1: really gut wrenching story about a young man African American

1574
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:32,360
Speaker 1: who was vacationing in Greece and there was some dispute

1575
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:35,720
Speaker 1: involving him wanting to take a photo with a waitress

1576
01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 1: in on this Greek island. It was in a bar

1577
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:42,040
Speaker 1: that's uh was having Serbia night and there were a

1578
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 1: bunch of Serbs in the bar and the waitress was

1579
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:47,640
Speaker 1: Serbian and this African American man wants to take a

1580
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 1: young man wants to take a photo with this waitress

1581
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:53,599
Speaker 1: and some kind of scuffle breaks out and they all

1582
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:59,479
Speaker 1: uh rushed him. This this one American who was no

1583
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:01,200
Speaker 1: one was able to come to his aid in time,

1584
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 1: and it's on video and the videos is just brutal,

1585
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 1: and they just punched and kicked him to death in

1586
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 1: thirty seconds a mom oh over absolutely nothing, over a

1587
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:17,520
Speaker 1: stupid dispute that nobody would have remembered in in three minutes. Um.

1588
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:20,640
Speaker 1: It's always really troubling whenever you see this, and you know,

1589
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:23,360
Speaker 1: I gotta say, as an American, of course, whenever something

1590
01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:26,280
Speaker 1: like this happens, there's a part of me that thinks,

1591
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 1: I wish, wish I could have been there or some

1592
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 1: of with some of my people to to save this

1593
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 1: guy and prevent this from happening. I mean, you know,

1594
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 1: you feel that way about a lot of things, right

1595
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:36,920
Speaker 1: You feel that way when a police officer shot, or

1596
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:40,719
Speaker 1: when anyone who's innocent anywhere is is attacked and beaten

1597
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:42,679
Speaker 1: up in this In this way, you know you wish

1598
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:44,960
Speaker 1: you could swoop in and and have stopped it from happening.

1599
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 1: But I'm just reminded of how you know, whenever you're

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01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 1: in a foreign country, even a place like Greece that's

1601
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:54,960
Speaker 1: it's had its troubles of lay, but it's relatively speaking,

1602
01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 1: a safe place, a safe place to visit, and you

1603
01:33:57,479 --> 01:34:01,280
Speaker 1: know it's not really high levels of crime. You just

1604
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 1: as as a young guy, uh, you know, you never

1605
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 1: know what you're dealing with with the locals, and it's

1606
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 1: just always better to err on the side of caution.

1607
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:12,840
Speaker 1: I've seen too many things and and heard too many

1608
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:15,600
Speaker 1: stories that fortunately didn't end like this. This was a

1609
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:20,559
Speaker 1: true tragedy and a horrific assault. But uh, you don't

1610
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:22,880
Speaker 1: want to get into it with the locals ever, even

1611
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:25,839
Speaker 1: a little bit, because something like this can happen and

1612
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:29,120
Speaker 1: you can find yourself in the middle of a mob.

1613
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:32,080
Speaker 1: I mean I remember being uh some of the some

1614
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:34,599
Speaker 1: of the training I received how to do with you know, what,

1615
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:37,640
Speaker 1: what do you do if you're you know, the the

1616
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:41,519
Speaker 1: obvious Westerner in a country where a mob forms around you,

1617
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, how how do you handle that? Uh? And

1618
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 1: let me tell you, it's it's not something that you're

1619
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,679
Speaker 1: not a situation you'd ever want to be in. And

1620
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:51,519
Speaker 1: I just saw this story. And and also, by the way,

1621
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:54,160
Speaker 1: the police force, because of budget cuts in Greece, because

1622
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:56,600
Speaker 1: of their financial austerity, there's no police force in this

1623
01:34:56,640 --> 01:35:00,200
Speaker 1: town anymore. Um, you know, It's it's just a It

1624
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:03,800
Speaker 1: just really hit home. I could have been me, uh

1625
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 1: on vacation, and I could see myself being in the

1626
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:10,599
Speaker 1: same the same circumstances as this as this young man

1627
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:13,640
Speaker 1: and you know he was beating to death while he

1628
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 1: was on vacation, but Cary Henderson looked like a guy

1629
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 1: with a really promising future. I don't wish somebody could

1630
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 1: have saved him some that somebody could have been there

1631
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:23,479
Speaker 1: to have his back and prevent this from happening. Um,

1632
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:27,240
Speaker 1: it's just just a gut punch anyway. Um, all right,

1633
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:29,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna, We're gonna, I gotta switch topics your team.

1634
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:33,800
Speaker 1: We're gonna discuss the seven gender roles that are out

1635
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 1: there are twenty seven gender categories. Rather, Um, we're back

1636
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:44,519
Speaker 1: with that in just a few He's an x C,

1637
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:48,479
Speaker 1: I a officer who knows how to outsmart the enemies

1638
01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:53,439
Speaker 1: of liberty. But I do have very particular set of skills,

1639
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:58,680
Speaker 1: Buck Sexton with America Now Team, your mission, should you

1640
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 1: choose to accept it, called the Freedom Hunt Operations Center

1641
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:08,040
Speaker 1: nine hundred Buck Big contact unless you're under hostile surveillance

1642
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:16,519
Speaker 1: to five. Sometimes on this show, I'm a reference to

1643
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 1: the progressive agenda for transgender rights and the incredible array

1644
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,640
Speaker 1: of different gender categories that are out there. And I

1645
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:30,200
Speaker 1: will just say that I couldn't name off the top

1646
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:34,320
Speaker 1: of my head even more than a handful of gender categorizations,

1647
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:39,200
Speaker 1: but there are dozens of them if you believe the left,

1648
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:45,120
Speaker 1: and increasingly this is being manifested in official government forms,

1649
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:47,559
Speaker 1: and this is going to become more and more part

1650
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:51,559
Speaker 1: of daily life. As we have discussed here, the state

1651
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 1: of Oregon, Washington, d C and others are giving out

1652
01:36:56,640 --> 01:37:00,559
Speaker 1: gender neutral I D cards now, but this really caught

1653
01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 1: my eye. I was pretty astounded when I saw this.

1654
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:10,040
Speaker 1: Let me just take you to the VIDA survey. Now,

1655
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 1: VIDA is Women in Literary Arts. It's a website and

1656
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:18,880
Speaker 1: it's clearly some leftist, feminist, progressive stuff on there, but

1657
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 1: that's fine. They sent out a survey, quote seeking to

1658
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 1: explore critical and cultural perceptions of literary work by women.

1659
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:32,920
Speaker 1: That's the description of what of what VIDA is. This

1660
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:37,760
Speaker 1: women in Literary Arts. And they had a a survey,

1661
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:43,960
Speaker 1: a survey on intersectionality that they sent out and on gender.

1662
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:48,320
Speaker 1: So it's specifically. Remember intersectional is a way of the

1663
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:52,439
Speaker 1: left's it's the way that left defines the crossover or

1664
01:37:52,479 --> 01:37:58,479
Speaker 1: describes the crossover between identity politics and oppression, or between

1665
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:06,120
Speaker 1: various uh ethnic, racial, and gender groups and privilege or

1666
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:09,800
Speaker 1: lack thereof. So intersectionality views every interaction in day to

1667
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:12,599
Speaker 1: day life through the lens of who are you and

1668
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:15,400
Speaker 1: who is trying to either oppress you or who are

1669
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 1: you oppressing? So this is an intersectionality survey of VITA

1670
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:24,599
Speaker 1: women in Literary Arts and under the section four gender.

1671
01:38:25,200 --> 01:38:27,720
Speaker 1: My friends, I looked at this and I had to

1672
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:31,120
Speaker 1: read it a few times. I mean, this is the

1673
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:34,599
Speaker 1: Baskin Robbins approach to gender. You know, Baskin Robbins has

1674
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 1: thirty one flavors. This survey has twenty seven genders on it,

1675
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:45,000
Speaker 1: and I thought, okay, the number itself stops you in

1676
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:47,200
Speaker 1: your tracks from when you go, wow, that's a lot

1677
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:49,800
Speaker 1: of genders. And keep in mind that not long ago

1678
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:53,920
Speaker 1: at Harvard University, a flyer was distributed by an office

1679
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:57,519
Speaker 1: devoted to l g B t Q issues saying that

1680
01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:02,439
Speaker 1: gender identity can change as frequently as day today. So

1681
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:07,519
Speaker 1: this is a a highly fluid and incredibly complicated way

1682
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:10,880
Speaker 1: of discussing what, in reality is a a choice of

1683
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:16,640
Speaker 1: two male or female. But the VITA Intersectionality Survey or

1684
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:20,080
Speaker 1: intersectional Survey on Gender had the following categories. I wanted

1685
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:21,680
Speaker 1: to walk through them with you and tell you what

1686
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:25,439
Speaker 1: I uh know about them. And and also, I'll be

1687
01:39:25,439 --> 01:39:27,280
Speaker 1: honest with you, there are a number of these. And

1688
01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:30,680
Speaker 1: all I do is read about this progressive leftist stuff

1689
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:33,519
Speaker 1: all the time, and there are a number of these

1690
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:35,280
Speaker 1: that I thought I have I have no idea what

1691
01:39:35,320 --> 01:39:37,639
Speaker 1: that means. I just have no idea what that even means.

1692
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:42,000
Speaker 1: And so I had to educate myself on the the

1693
01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:46,040
Speaker 1: twenty seven different genders. Now, some of these I knew

1694
01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:48,760
Speaker 1: right off the bat. And but anyway, here's what we are, okay,

1695
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:53,680
Speaker 1: that you can check or fill in all that apply. Um, transgender,

1696
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:56,519
Speaker 1: which we are familiar with. Right. Transgender someone who is

1697
01:39:57,160 --> 01:40:00,720
Speaker 1: has crossed over to the other gender or usually through

1698
01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:07,520
Speaker 1: a combination of surgery and drugs hormones, but not necessarily.

1699
01:40:08,360 --> 01:40:14,160
Speaker 1: Cis gender, which is someone who identifies with the gender

1700
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:18,760
Speaker 1: of their birth right. So the cis gender description of

1701
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:24,439
Speaker 1: Buck is male. So it's pretty straightforward. I had to

1702
01:40:24,439 --> 01:40:26,680
Speaker 1: look up to make sure that I was correct on

1703
01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:30,840
Speaker 1: this one. A gender, which I thought, okay, does that

1704
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 1: really mean what I think it means? And the answer

1705
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:36,599
Speaker 1: was yes, it means someone who just defies gender. There's

1706
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:39,080
Speaker 1: no such thing as gender. It's like a political you know,

1707
01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:42,760
Speaker 1: you you don't care about politics. You don't have political opinions.

1708
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:46,160
Speaker 1: A gender is you are. You are beyond gender in

1709
01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:52,040
Speaker 1: a sense, you are post gender binary, which is similar

1710
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:56,200
Speaker 1: to cis gender, meaning that you identify as male or female.

1711
01:40:56,360 --> 01:40:58,320
Speaker 1: I want to note that on this gender survey, with

1712
01:40:58,360 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 1: twenty seven options, male and female never appear, so male

1713
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:08,080
Speaker 1: and female on the gender survey for women in literature

1714
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:13,080
Speaker 1: this veto organization, male and female aren't even options, never

1715
01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:17,720
Speaker 1: mind the only options. But let's get back into this

1716
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:27,240
Speaker 1: um binary. Right, is this gender butch which is a

1717
01:41:27,240 --> 01:41:30,639
Speaker 1: a female with characteristics I believe that are that are

1718
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:34,200
Speaker 1: considered to be male. Uh, this is I had never

1719
01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:40,679
Speaker 1: seen before CAFAB, which is coercively assigned female at birth.

1720
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:44,280
Speaker 1: So calfab is so that means you're told you're female

1721
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:46,160
Speaker 1: at birth and I guess you haven't made up your

1722
01:41:46,160 --> 01:41:50,160
Speaker 1: mind since I don't know. Uh, coercively assigned male at

1723
01:41:50,200 --> 01:41:55,320
Speaker 1: birth cam mab. I've never heard of that either. Demi girl,

1724
01:41:55,600 --> 01:42:02,920
Speaker 1: demi woman? Uh, demi meaning half right or or partial. Um,

1725
01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:05,080
Speaker 1: so like a demi god is not really a god,

1726
01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:07,200
Speaker 1: but it's kind of a god. So demi girl, demi

1727
01:42:07,240 --> 01:42:10,120
Speaker 1: woman is kind of half or partial man or the

1728
01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:11,920
Speaker 1: same thing with Demi boy and Demi Man those in

1729
01:42:11,960 --> 01:42:15,400
Speaker 1: the next category. So it's half or partial this I

1730
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:21,599
Speaker 1: have no idea, but it says Samoan after it fa

1731
01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:25,960
Speaker 1: fa phine. That's a gender that you can check now.

1732
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:30,360
Speaker 1: Uh femi, which I assume is the opposite of butch,

1733
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:33,280
Speaker 1: which we remember was one of the alternatives you had

1734
01:42:33,320 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 1: just a few moments ago. Gender fluid means you're kind

1735
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:40,480
Speaker 1: of like still moving around on this whole gender spectrum,

1736
01:42:40,479 --> 01:42:43,160
Speaker 1: not really clear yet what you are. You're you know,

1737
01:42:43,240 --> 01:42:46,839
Speaker 1: you've you've got your toe in a few different gender pools.

1738
01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:52,920
Speaker 1: Gender non conforming, which I think maybe means that you

1739
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:56,320
Speaker 1: have your own interpretation of what your gender is. I'm

1740
01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:58,240
Speaker 1: just looking at the words and coming up with that

1741
01:42:59,560 --> 01:43:03,720
Speaker 1: gender queer, which which just means that you refuse to

1742
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 1: conform to traditional notions of gender. Maybe you think you're

1743
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:10,800
Speaker 1: both or neither, or more a little more one than

1744
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:16,840
Speaker 1: than another. Hidra which I know of as the um,

1745
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 1: the pilgrimage that all Muslims are supposed to make to Mecca,

1746
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:26,719
Speaker 1: and uh it's also from in a historical context the Hydra,

1747
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:29,559
Speaker 1: which again that that's the the pilgrimage at all Muslims are,

1748
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:31,760
Speaker 1: as a tenant of the faith, supposed to do at

1749
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:35,360
Speaker 1: least once in their lifetime. And it is because the

1750
01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:39,960
Speaker 1: prophet Mohammed went from Mecca from from Mecca to Medina.

1751
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:45,400
Speaker 1: But in this context, Hydra refers to a person of

1752
01:43:45,439 --> 01:43:49,920
Speaker 1: Indian South Asian gender. I don't know I did that.

1753
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:51,880
Speaker 1: I just still don't have an answer for you on

1754
01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:54,479
Speaker 1: that one. Remember, these are all categories. You can click

1755
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:57,559
Speaker 1: and you can check off these categories on this survey,

1756
01:43:57,880 --> 01:44:00,679
Speaker 1: and these are categories that exist elsewhere to right and increasing,

1757
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:03,439
Speaker 1: I think you're going to see the government adopting these

1758
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:08,519
Speaker 1: as categories for gender uh intersects, which means you're kind

1759
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:11,479
Speaker 1: of in but you're on the spectrum, your your gender fluid,

1760
01:44:11,800 --> 01:44:16,960
Speaker 1: but you're kind of in between uh mahoo which means native,

1761
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:22,000
Speaker 1: which is Native Hawaiian uh okay. That's elicted as a gender,

1762
01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:27,320
Speaker 1: multiply gendered or multi gender, So that's just officially more

1763
01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:31,280
Speaker 1: than one gender. Non binary, which just means you refuse

1764
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:34,920
Speaker 1: to accept the terminology of male and female. You're non binary,

1765
01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:40,960
Speaker 1: poly gender, which I guess is different than multiply gendered

1766
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:46,600
Speaker 1: because it's polly. I don't know, trans plus have absolutely

1767
01:44:46,600 --> 01:44:49,720
Speaker 1: no idea what that means. It's trans but like a

1768
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:54,960
Speaker 1: little a little more trans, trans feminine, trans masculine, So

1769
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:57,920
Speaker 1: you are trans, but you're either more femine or more masculine.

1770
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:03,519
Speaker 1: Trans misogyny constrained by the way that's someone who is

1771
01:45:03,560 --> 01:45:08,479
Speaker 1: at the quote intersection of transphobia and misogyny. So they

1772
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:11,960
Speaker 1: are constrained by the fact that people are afraid of

1773
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:15,120
Speaker 1: there being a woman and being a trans woman. I

1774
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:18,759
Speaker 1: had to look that one up to spirit Native American

1775
01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:23,799
Speaker 1: First Nation and then declined to state is the final

1776
01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:28,040
Speaker 1: the final option here? Now, I I a few things

1777
01:45:28,120 --> 01:45:29,680
Speaker 1: really jump out of me. First of all, a lot

1778
01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:33,320
Speaker 1: of these different terms are just that terms, and in fact,

1779
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:36,160
Speaker 1: many of them refer to the same thing. These are

1780
01:45:36,160 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 1: a lot of different ways of saying the same thing.

1781
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:43,080
Speaker 1: But you know, I I have to say, when you

1782
01:45:43,320 --> 01:45:46,240
Speaker 1: look at a chart, a gender chart like this, and

1783
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:51,160
Speaker 1: you find yourself having absolutely no idea what, and you

1784
01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:52,960
Speaker 1: shouldn't by the way, I mean, there's no there's no

1785
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:57,560
Speaker 1: everyday person, no matter how well read and how insightful

1786
01:45:57,640 --> 01:45:59,800
Speaker 1: you may be, there's no way that you would just

1787
01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:04,760
Speaker 1: have been to know what in the context of this survey,

1788
01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:08,559
Speaker 1: trans misogyny constrained would be I would think, maybe that's

1789
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:11,600
Speaker 1: just because I couldn't get that one, but or what

1790
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:14,600
Speaker 1: some of these other the difference between multiply gendered or

1791
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:16,479
Speaker 1: poly gendered. I would offer to you that even the

1792
01:46:16,479 --> 01:46:22,240
Speaker 1: progressives who pushed this stuff themselves really have no idea.

1793
01:46:22,520 --> 01:46:27,120
Speaker 1: They they don't know what differences are. But the purpose

1794
01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:31,320
Speaker 1: here is not specificity. In fact, the purpose is just

1795
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:34,960
Speaker 1: to cater to what is a social fashion right now,

1796
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:40,599
Speaker 1: fashion on the left to destroy traditional notions of gender. Now.

1797
01:46:41,000 --> 01:46:43,960
Speaker 1: You will be often led to believe that there's no

1798
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:46,639
Speaker 1: consequence of this, there's no cost, that this makes people

1799
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:49,599
Speaker 1: feel more comfortable, and that it's really just a function

1800
01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:53,559
Speaker 1: of consideration and kindness, two of the most important traits

1801
01:46:53,560 --> 01:46:56,200
Speaker 1: any human being can possess in their day to day lives.

1802
01:46:56,439 --> 01:46:59,200
Speaker 1: So you want to be considered and kind to transgender

1803
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:04,760
Speaker 1: people by using their preferred pronoun by not dead naming them.

1804
01:47:04,840 --> 01:47:06,720
Speaker 1: Dead naming, of course, being when you refer to a

1805
01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:11,599
Speaker 1: trans person by their previous name associated with their previous gender.

1806
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 1: So if, uh, if you know, I became um, you

1807
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:22,280
Speaker 1: know Jennifer Um, and you called me buck, you'd be

1808
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:26,760
Speaker 1: dead naming me but it's we're led to believe that

1809
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:29,760
Speaker 1: this is all about being kind and being nice. But

1810
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:32,559
Speaker 1: this is, on the one hand, of course, a giant

1811
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:35,400
Speaker 1: exercise in virtue signaling. Right if you use these terms,

1812
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:39,280
Speaker 1: and I should also social signaling. Right, you're virtuous because

1813
01:47:39,320 --> 01:47:42,520
Speaker 1: you're nice because you cater to transgender whims and fashions,

1814
01:47:42,520 --> 01:47:44,840
Speaker 1: and you're supposedly being nice to people who I think

1815
01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:49,640
Speaker 1: actually in many cases just need help, need substantial assistance,

1816
01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:54,040
Speaker 1: often emotional and perhaps uh, mental health assistance for where

1817
01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:56,160
Speaker 1: they are in their lives, which there's no shame in that.

1818
01:47:56,240 --> 01:47:59,240
Speaker 1: By the way. Mental health is as much a part

1819
01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:03,760
Speaker 1: of everyone, um, everyone's existence as what we think of

1820
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:06,679
Speaker 1: more traditionally as as physical health. But those two things,

1821
01:48:06,720 --> 01:48:09,400
Speaker 1: by the way, are inextricably linked. And the more you

1822
01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:11,760
Speaker 1: look at the mental and its impact on the body,

1823
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:14,400
Speaker 1: the more we can all see that mental health disorders

1824
01:48:14,439 --> 01:48:18,719
Speaker 1: are in fact every bit as real as physical disorders

1825
01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:23,120
Speaker 1: like a flu or a bacterial infection. So uh, but

1826
01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:26,200
Speaker 1: this is virtue signaling at social signaling because if you

1827
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:30,840
Speaker 1: know these terms, if you refer to someone as uh

1828
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:35,040
Speaker 1: by gender or intersects or trans feminine, if you're an

1829
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:37,559
Speaker 1: author and you write that, or you tweet that out somewhere,

1830
01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:39,400
Speaker 1: you post it on your Facebook page. You're letting everyone

1831
01:48:39,439 --> 01:48:41,840
Speaker 1: else know that you're on the cutting edge of the

1832
01:48:41,880 --> 01:48:46,200
Speaker 1: progressive left. You are, in fact, defining the progressive orthodoxy

1833
01:48:46,280 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 1: in real time. You in a sense, are a high

1834
01:48:49,400 --> 01:48:53,280
Speaker 1: priest of the progressive orthodoxy. But keep in mind that,

1835
01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:55,880
Speaker 1: of course they would reject the notion of priests for

1836
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:58,879
Speaker 1: the most part, so um at least in the traditional

1837
01:48:58,920 --> 01:49:03,080
Speaker 1: sense of a priest. This is a survey that I

1838
01:49:03,080 --> 01:49:06,280
Speaker 1: think tells us a lot about where the future, what

1839
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:08,120
Speaker 1: the future is going to look like when it comes

1840
01:49:08,120 --> 01:49:10,160
Speaker 1: to gender on the left, if they have their way,

1841
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:13,920
Speaker 1: and it is nonsensical, and this is what I really

1842
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:16,760
Speaker 1: also wanted to get into. It doesn't make any sense.

1843
01:49:16,840 --> 01:49:19,120
Speaker 1: There's no reason to go through all of this. This

1844
01:49:19,200 --> 01:49:23,120
Speaker 1: is an exercise in hyper sensitivity under the guise of

1845
01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:27,000
Speaker 1: not just kindness, because as I said, I find kindness

1846
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:29,640
Speaker 1: to be a compelling rationale, but under the guise of

1847
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:33,639
Speaker 1: science that to have twenty seven different genders listed here

1848
01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:37,120
Speaker 1: somehow is scientific when all you have to do is

1849
01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:40,160
Speaker 1: look at the genders, figure out what the definitions are,

1850
01:49:40,240 --> 01:49:42,800
Speaker 1: and most of them are just are just describing the

1851
01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:48,760
Speaker 1: same conditions or the same psychological predispositions. So this is

1852
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:51,360
Speaker 1: not based in science. But we're going to be forced

1853
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:53,080
Speaker 1: to bend the knee on this. We're gonna be told

1854
01:49:53,120 --> 01:49:56,320
Speaker 1: that you better understand and use and be fluent in

1855
01:49:56,360 --> 01:49:59,879
Speaker 1: discussions about the twenty seven genders, or else you're a bigot.

1856
01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:04,040
Speaker 1: So now, to be reality based, to refuse to partake

1857
01:50:04,160 --> 01:50:08,400
Speaker 1: in what is a delusion is to put yourself in

1858
01:50:08,439 --> 01:50:11,240
Speaker 1: a position where you could be called a bigot. It's

1859
01:50:11,320 --> 01:50:13,920
Speaker 1: a crazy world we live in. My friends, we'll be

1860
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:21,880
Speaker 1: back with more in just a fee. You're gonna have

1861
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:27,080
Speaker 1: to put this in the unintentional hilarity category. So David Brooks,

1862
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:30,280
Speaker 1: who is a New York Times writer, he is supposed

1863
01:50:30,280 --> 01:50:34,760
Speaker 1: to be one of their two resident conservatives, but I'm

1864
01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:38,640
Speaker 1: pretty sure he voted for Hillary. And you know, on

1865
01:50:38,680 --> 01:50:41,479
Speaker 1: any given day, it's about fifty fifty that a David

1866
01:50:41,479 --> 01:50:44,439
Speaker 1: Brooks column will certainly read like something that you would

1867
01:50:44,439 --> 01:50:49,760
Speaker 1: expect a mainstream Democrat in good standing to right. But

1868
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:52,240
Speaker 1: he he wrote a column on an issue that that's

1869
01:50:52,280 --> 01:50:56,200
Speaker 1: a real concern, that's something that we should be thinking

1870
01:50:56,200 --> 01:50:58,840
Speaker 1: about more as a society. I think often then we do,

1871
01:50:59,320 --> 01:51:00,800
Speaker 1: and it had to you, and it has to do

1872
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:04,080
Speaker 1: with well, his title is how we are Ruining America,

1873
01:51:04,360 --> 01:51:09,760
Speaker 1: and he talks about how the more educated and wealthier

1874
01:51:11,479 --> 01:51:15,759
Speaker 1: classes of Americans are perpetuating that with their own children

1875
01:51:15,800 --> 01:51:17,880
Speaker 1: and making sure that their own children have the same

1876
01:51:18,200 --> 01:51:20,360
Speaker 1: advantages are really more in fact, I mean, I see

1877
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:23,519
Speaker 1: my generation and so many of the parents who have

1878
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:27,200
Speaker 1: been successful have just completely cleared the pathway for their

1879
01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:32,280
Speaker 1: children to be successful in a way that comes very quickly,

1880
01:51:32,400 --> 01:51:38,720
Speaker 1: very easily, and is all but assured, uh, financially and professionally.

1881
01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:42,080
Speaker 1: But this, this, this New York Times piece goes into

1882
01:51:42,120 --> 01:51:44,200
Speaker 1: some of that and I that's not a new thought,

1883
01:51:44,240 --> 01:51:46,599
Speaker 1: by the way, it's not a new situation. But here's

1884
01:51:46,600 --> 01:51:49,840
Speaker 1: where it gets hilarious. I mean, this is a classic. Uh,

1885
01:51:50,520 --> 01:51:52,840
Speaker 1: this is really the Tom Friedman as well. Anytime who's

1886
01:51:52,880 --> 01:51:55,599
Speaker 1: also a New York Times columnists, anytime Tom Friedman needed

1887
01:51:55,600 --> 01:51:59,240
Speaker 1: an anecdote about whatever country he was visiting or whatever

1888
01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:02,679
Speaker 1: phenomenon global phenomenon he wanted to discuss. All of a sudden,

1889
01:52:02,680 --> 01:52:06,880
Speaker 1: we're hearing about a cab driver or a guy you know,

1890
01:52:06,920 --> 01:52:10,599
Speaker 1: handing him a coffee at a Kiosk somewhere who has

1891
01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:15,120
Speaker 1: some really insightful one liner about you know, the global economy,

1892
01:52:15,120 --> 01:52:19,280
Speaker 1: and you're like, hmm, isn't that isn't that convenient for

1893
01:52:19,400 --> 01:52:22,680
Speaker 1: Mr Freedman. But here's what this is. I just love it.

1894
01:52:22,720 --> 01:52:28,240
Speaker 1: This was so unintentionally funny. You have David Brooks right recently,

1895
01:52:29,240 --> 01:52:31,960
Speaker 1: and by the way, he's writing about classism and elitism

1896
01:52:32,040 --> 01:52:34,240
Speaker 1: in this country. Okay, and he's a New York Times

1897
01:52:34,360 --> 01:52:36,840
Speaker 1: editorialist and here and he lives here in Manhattan and

1898
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:39,640
Speaker 1: probably in Brooklyn. Actually here's what he which has a

1899
01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:45,080
Speaker 1: very very fancy left wing place. Uh, here's what he writes. Recently,

1900
01:52:45,280 --> 01:52:47,479
Speaker 1: I took a friend with only a high school degree

1901
01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:52,280
Speaker 1: to lunch. Insensitively, I led her into a gourmet sandwich shop.

1902
01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:55,000
Speaker 1: Suddenly I saw her face freeze up as she was

1903
01:52:55,040 --> 01:52:59,439
Speaker 1: confronted with sandwiches named padrino and pomodoro and ingredients like

1904
01:52:59,479 --> 01:53:03,479
Speaker 1: soaper a cap colo and sriata baguette. I quickly asked

1905
01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:05,479
Speaker 1: her if she wanted to go somewhere else, and she

1906
01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:09,680
Speaker 1: anxiously nodded yes, and we ate Mexican. Oh my gosh.

1907
01:53:09,720 --> 01:53:13,439
Speaker 1: She was terrified by the sandwiches and the exotic ingredients.

1908
01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:15,639
Speaker 1: I mean, keep in mind that you walk into Wendy's

1909
01:53:15,640 --> 01:53:18,320
Speaker 1: and on the menu they'll have a tuscan chicken on chiabada.

1910
01:53:18,439 --> 01:53:21,879
Speaker 1: I mean, this is not this is not some foreign

1911
01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:24,559
Speaker 1: language that's on the board at this fancy sandwich shop.

1912
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:28,080
Speaker 1: But I just think it's hilarious that Brooks's response here

1913
01:53:27,960 --> 01:53:30,280
Speaker 1: you only had a high school degree and the sandwich

1914
01:53:30,360 --> 01:53:32,639
Speaker 1: names were so complicated, and I just didn't know what

1915
01:53:32,720 --> 01:53:35,120
Speaker 1: to do about it, and oh good heavens, I was

1916
01:53:35,160 --> 01:53:39,400
Speaker 1: so insensitive, and it's like, wow, you have defined elitias,

1917
01:53:39,400 --> 01:53:41,919
Speaker 1: and my friend, you think you need a college education

1918
01:53:42,280 --> 01:53:46,800
Speaker 1: to appreciate a good, fancy sandwich with some ingredients in

1919
01:53:46,840 --> 01:53:50,200
Speaker 1: there that have more than one syllable. Amazing, isn't it?

1920
01:53:50,720 --> 01:53:54,320
Speaker 1: This is It was a classic New York Times elite

1921
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:57,440
Speaker 1: as a moment. Oh my gosh, the Pomadoro and so prosota.

1922
01:53:57,520 --> 01:54:00,639
Speaker 1: What will we do? Alright? Team, thank you as always

1923
01:54:00,640 --> 01:54:02,200
Speaker 1: for hanging out with me. It's great, It's an honor

1924
01:54:02,240 --> 01:54:04,719
Speaker 1: and a pleasure. I'm excited to chill with you tomorrow

1925
01:54:04,760 --> 01:54:08,240
Speaker 1: here in the Freedom Hunt for our Thursday show. Until then,

1926
01:54:08,360 --> 01:54:10,800
Speaker 1: my friends, no matter what comes your way, Shields Hut