1 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: All right, guys, we're coming at you virtually live like 2 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: damn near live from Tanzania and Africa. And if you 3 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: listen to the show, you heard me complain about when 4 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: we have to sit on episodes for various stupid reasons 5 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: that I can't explain and then release them later. These 6 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: were gonna just release them as they happen. As we're 7 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: in in Africa hunting with Morgan Potter from Robin Hurt Safaris, 8 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: and so we're gonna do little updates, nothing major to 9 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: update yet. But what we are gonna do is kind 10 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: of lay the set the scene of where we're at 11 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: and where we're not at, and there's a thing and 12 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: when when. If you study the writing process, one of 13 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: the things they'll teach you is they'll teach you to 14 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: go gross too close, meaning start with a wide view 15 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: and narrow in. So start us with a wide view. 16 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: We're in Tanzania. What does that mean when you're looking 17 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: at the African continent. 18 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, so Tanzania is on on the east coast, below Kenya, 19 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 2: above Mozambique. 20 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: The Middle East is off to the northwest. 21 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, north northeast, Yeah, northeast. And then yeah, so you've 22 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: got Kenya to the north, Mozambique to the south, and 23 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 2: then yeah, I mean Tanzania sh has borders with a 24 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: bunch of countries Rwanda, Burundi, Uganda, and where else is 25 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 2: Zambia Okay. 26 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: And one of the things that one of the most 27 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: important things that I think people should understand is it 28 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: has part of the thing that every American has heard of, 29 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: including me. It has part of the SERENGETI Yes, yeah, 30 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: it's got all of the Serengetti, which is contiguous with 31 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: the Masai Mara, which is Kenya's component, the border being 32 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: the Mara River. So yeah, the serengetis, like we were 33 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: talking about it to you, like quintessential. You get a 34 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: postcard from Africa, there's a picture of a flat top 35 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: of Kacia on there, lions sleeping underneath of it, big 36 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: grassland in the background. Not where we are right now, No, 37 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: not where we're at. And I keep I remarked you 38 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: ten times over the last two days that having been 39 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: like raised on those wildlife documentaries I and those images 40 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: that are taken in that ecosystem, I'm going to get 41 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: to how different this is like having been raised on that, 42 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: Like that's sort of an expectation you wound up having 43 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: where I sort of felt like, other than the congo, right, 44 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: other than the jungle, I picture like that, that's what 45 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: Africa looks like, Yeah, the flat top of cass and 46 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: the open grasslands yep. And it was cool because prior 47 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: to us hunting, we got to go look at some 48 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: of that stuff. Yeah, and it is like like you 49 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: can see forever there's like drafts hanging out, zebra's wandering by. 50 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,399 Speaker 1: And even when I knew we were going to come hunt, 51 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: no western, I had no idea that was going to 52 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: be like this. Yeah, right, Like if you showed me 53 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: a picture where we're at right now, never in a 54 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: million years, I guess that must be Africa. 55 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, for sure. And I bet even even if 56 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: you looked at like regular photo tourism, the number of 57 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: people that would get to experience this particular type of 58 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: habitat an environment like this part of Africa would be 59 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: just a vanishingly small number, like five percent or less. 60 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: You know, the bulk of tourism is centered around that 61 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: northern circuit, so north of Arusha, they're into the Serengeti 62 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 2: and Goa Goa crater where we were like Natron, Trengeary, 63 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: these sort of areas that, yeah, they do. They have 64 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: that very quintessential like Africa, look particularly East Africa. 65 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: And what's great about it that stuff is this really 66 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: good wild they're viewing because you can see so far. 67 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: Yep, you can see a long way and then being 68 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: where it is with all that kind of volcanic activity 69 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 2: in that part of the rift, the soil is very 70 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 2: rich and the rainfall is quite consistent. So the game 71 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 2: density there on those short grass plains is very high 72 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 2: in comparison to here, where we've got comparatively porous soils, 73 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: a lot sandier soil, a lot rockier soil. And yeah, 74 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: it's sort of a different rainfall pattern to consistent rain 75 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 2: here too, but it's a different kind of pattern to there, 76 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: and as a consequence, the game densities are just very 77 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: different and the species are very different. You know a 78 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: lot of that stuff. So those desert adapted species we 79 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: talked about the Geranook obviously, Grant's gazelle, Thompson's gazelle, you know, 80 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 2: those kind of species that are very water independent and 81 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: some of them can go pretty much indefinitely on metabolic water. 82 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 2: Everything out here is a little thirstier, including the species 83 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: of plants. 84 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is this is like, I don't want 85 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: people to get the idea that this is monotonous. It's 86 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: anything but monotonous. No, And I'll have you walk through 87 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: the different little habitat types that are here. But what 88 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: do you call this running now? 89 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: So what we're in now is called meboo woodland. Yeah, 90 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: it's like a woods. 91 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: And when I keep remarking to Morgan, is like growing 92 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: up in western Michigan when you get up in the 93 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: upper sandy soils and you're just out in the woods 94 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: and you got like like scrubby little oaks and sassafras. 95 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: It's very reminiscent of that in terms of the density 96 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: of the trees, the height of the trees. But then 97 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 1: you go over that way I think it's that way yep, 98 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: and you enter this this valley of palms eight foot 99 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: high grass. And I was joking earlier like from someone 100 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: the just just to go to off movie references and 101 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: documentary references, you feel like you're in a Vietnam movie. Yeah, yeah, 102 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: it's and that stuff. And then all of a sudden you 103 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: roll over the hill and you're like, dude, I'm in Michigan. Yeah, yeah, No, 104 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: it's very different stuff going on. 105 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. The diversity here is one of the special 106 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: things about this concession. It's got with the river there, 107 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,239 Speaker 2: it's got those kind of yeah, that river, irond habitat, 108 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: those floodplains and crocodiles, crocodile hippos, and then the real 109 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 2: special thing that you've got there is that papyrus swamp, 110 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: which is this is a massive tract of intact papyrus swamp. 111 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: And then you've got the East African sitatunga living in there, 112 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 2: which is a very specially adapted antelope to be able 113 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 2: to survive basically its whole life in papyrus swamps. 114 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think too that that is kind of cool, 115 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: a little bit unexpected is in certain areas around here, 116 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: it's like a little bit of a working landscape. Like 117 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: there's there's commercial fishermen they'll use dog out canoes fishing 118 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: someone that stuff. Yep, for a couple more weeks. There's 119 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: guys out collecting wild honey, yep. That'll be out here 120 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: for a couple more weeks. I mean, like very widely dispersed. 121 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: But you see, it's not like just fantasy land like 122 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: you see, like ways in which people use the landscape 123 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: to get their living and I know that brings up 124 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: a lot of complications around poaching and other things, but 125 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: it's like it's inhabited in a way, very spirally, but 126 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: it's inhabited. 127 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah. There's no permanent settlement in here. 128 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: But there are people that have permits, you know, as 129 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: you saw today when we ran into the honey guys, right, 130 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: we stopped and checked their permits, make sure their paperwork's 131 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: all square. And we don't have a problem with that, 132 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: you know. Where about these game reserves being a livelihood 133 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: generator for local communities, obviously there's the benefits that they 134 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 2: get from some revenue retention from hunting and our operations, 135 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: but we don't want to keep people out of here entirely. 136 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: We just it has to be controlled and it has 137 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: to be managed so that fishery is very carefully controlled. 138 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 2: Us in conjunction with Tanzania Wildlife Management Authority, we're constantly 139 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: making sure that that fishing is being done the right way, 140 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 2: you know, not illegal nets being used, other illegal methods 141 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: you know, such as netting off the whole river or 142 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: coming into the game waters themselves, and that's really important 143 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: to make sure those fish have a sort of safe 144 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 2: spawning ground and a bit of a reservoir so they 145 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: can Then those waters that are getting fished commercially can 146 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 2: be kind of re stopped by those game reserve waters. 147 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: So it's beneficial to the fishermen to adhere to those 148 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: rules too. And then yeah, the honey hunters, it's the 149 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: same thing. As long as they're not interfering with our 150 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: operations and as long as they're not you know, delving 151 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: into other unlawful activities while they're here. We're very tolerant 152 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 2: of that and we want to support those livelihoods and 153 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: see people do well. 154 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: There's maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like there's like 155 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: sort of like three types of types of land management here, 156 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: which isn't totally dissimilar to something you'd find in the 157 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: US where you have national park land right that doesn't 158 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 1: have any of those activities, aren't it right? Zero, It's 159 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: just like it's just like photo tourism. We're near a 160 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: national park in Rofe Harmony Acres or how many square 161 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: miles of the national park that's near here. 162 00:08:58,480 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pretty big one. I'd say it's some 163 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: in that thousand square mile kind of range. 164 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: And Morgan mentioned me and we are here. The last 165 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: year the thousand square mile national park, which is what's 166 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: a colon. 167 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: It's called Augalla National Park, had fourteen visitors. 168 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you're looking for a very quiet national park, 169 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, I mean yeah again, like I'll shield for 170 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: a Galla National Park all day. 171 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 2: People should make a visit. It'd be great, But it 172 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 2: shows here it's so remote. Yeah, it's so remote. And 173 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 2: again for your average tourist who's not who wants to 174 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 2: see the big five right and a million world to 175 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 2: beast in a day, this isn't the place to come. 176 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: And I see that. You know, even us driving around 177 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: today and it's been a bit of a you know, 178 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: we've been pretty focused on going places where buffalo hangout today. 179 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: You know, we haven't been going to a lot of 180 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 2: areas where you'll find a big diversity of species. So 181 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 2: that's why it's kind of been a quiet day in 182 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 2: that sense. But I mean you can have days like 183 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 2: this where you know, the myombo's just a bit stare all. 184 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: Sometimes, well, a thing I should clarify, and I've told 185 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: you this's like a thing that drew me to wanting 186 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: that drew me to wanting to hunt Kate Buffalo is it. 187 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: It's the kind of thing you like get in there 188 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: and shake hands with. 189 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:14,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. 190 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: I mean like you get in that thick stuff with 191 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: it and they're like they're dangerous, and it's just like 192 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: that was exciting to me. It's like being in there, 193 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: so I don't mind the thickness. It's just it's just 194 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: different than what I saw in the other part. But 195 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: to get back to this land management thing, so you 196 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: have a national park, which is kind of like like 197 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: for Americans a picture like picture a national park in 198 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 1: the US, very similar model, very similar model. What what 199 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: is very different would be the game? Would it like 200 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: a concession or wildlife refuge? Like I can't think maybe 201 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: you can't. I can't think of a way to explain 202 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: that with an American analogy. 203 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it there's nothing in the US that would be 204 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: like similar that would be Yeah, that would be a 205 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 2: good kind of analog for this. It's it's something that 206 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 2: it goes weya. So we're in a's and within that 207 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 2: category there's sort of subcategories. Right, So where we were 208 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 2: in mass Island is called a game controlled area, so 209 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: that's got looser rules around land use. There can be 210 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: some permanent settlement there, there can be some seasonal sort 211 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 2: of settlement. There can be livestock grazing, there can be 212 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 2: a few other activities that would not be acceptable here 213 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 2: given that this is a game reserve. And then you've 214 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 2: got a couple of below game controlled area. You've got 215 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 2: a couple of other tiers too that are even more 216 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 2: kind of loose as far as what's allowed in their 217 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: land use wise from local people. But we're very lucky 218 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 2: that this area has been designated a game reserve by 219 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: the Tanzanian government. Uganzo yeap Luganzo Tonguare Game Reserve is 220 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: the full name of it. And it's Yeah, it's a 221 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 2: magnificent piece of ground. This is the size of Yellowstone 222 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 2: National Part. Yeah, roughly the same size. Yeah, it's a 223 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 2: it's a huge chunk of ground. And yeah, just having 224 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: that legal protection from the government gives us the ability 225 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 2: to really make sure that those more destructive form of 226 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 2: land use, like livestock grazing, which isn't in of itself 227 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: inherently destructive necessarily, it's just that here where there's such 228 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 2: a big predator population that inevitably leads to conflict. That 229 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 2: can and that can be you know, the predators can 230 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 2: come off badly from that. You know, cutting trees is 231 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: something we don't want to see here. This is a 232 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 2: very important piece of intact woodland that's really supporting a 233 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 2: lot of different species in the myombo and the kind 234 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 2: of myombo edges. So we want to see that intact. 235 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: Just a touch on that for a minute. For people 236 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: who's like, here you have elephant draft zebra, I mean 237 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: like here, yeah, oh yeah, if you sat here, you 238 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: could watch go buy elephant draft zebra, kudu, leopards. 239 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 2: Lions, lions, eland sable roane, harder, beast, topi. I mean, 240 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 2: there's a huge variety of species in here. 241 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: And for how big it is, you guys take so like, 242 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: for how big it is, you guys kill such a 243 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: small amount of animals that I feel like it's like 244 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: it's like from a management perspective, it's effectively equivalent to 245 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: a park. Yeah, it's like it's not like it's you know, 246 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: it's like very selective. Like you're explaining me here, you 247 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: guys are only allowed to kill male spatimens of anything 248 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: right exactly, you know, and as we're like really small 249 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: numbers like a few of these, a few of those. 250 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a handful of species and we've we've managed 251 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 2: it that way deliberately. One of the great things about 252 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 2: the Tanzanian system is we get a quota that's based 253 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 2: on research. So right now we're actually working with TAWIRI, 254 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 2: which is the Tanzania Wildlife Research Institute, and some other 255 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 2: sort of outside NGOs to do a study on predators 256 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: in this area. 257 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: Predators want including ones. 258 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 2: We can't hunt right like wild dogs, for example, which 259 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 2: are entirely protected. So we're trying to get a handle 260 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 2: on how many predators we've got here, which can better 261 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 2: inform our off take. And the great thing is we're 262 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 2: only obligated to utilize four percent of the quota that 263 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 2: we're assigned, and we seldom go over that on any 264 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 2: given So they want you to use forty percent that 265 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: were mandated to use forty as they're mandated to pay 266 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 2: for forty percent, So we get it assigned to quota, 267 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: but we have to utilize forty percent and we rarely 268 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 2: go right. 269 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, the land we're on just I keep trying to 270 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: make analogies. 271 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 2: To the US. 272 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you could wind up thinking of it like like 273 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: in a way, you could think of it like national 274 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: forest land, meaning we're on land that's owned by the 275 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: federal government in Tanzania. 276 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 2: Correct. 277 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: The federal government in Tanzania has two objectives like preserve 278 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: wildlife correct, right, like create wildlife habitat, preserve wildlife, but 279 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: also monetize the landscape. Absolutely, so they're able to monetize 280 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: this huge chunk of ground simultaneously preserving wildlife by auctioning 281 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: off these blocks. Correct to so far R Company or 282 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: however you put like a like a like a hunting 283 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: guide an operation. Then they come in and say, okay, 284 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: you you operate within this piece of land. Our biologists 285 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: will do some sort of assessment of what's there. Yep, 286 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: you're allowed this level of take. And then besides that 287 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: you besides that, you're paying a fee to utilize the land. 288 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: They're then saying every animal that comes off the money 289 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: is in our pocket's correct, and it applies like a 290 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: big value to the wildlife. And there's something that you 291 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: said that kind of like helps me because this is 292 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: all very new to me. But there's there's a comment 293 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: you made that helps me think about it is I 294 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: was I was talking about, like, you guys eat a 295 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: lot of game, you know, like every night we eat 296 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: game from the stuff you guys clients have gotten. And 297 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: I was saying, well, when you guys want something to eat, 298 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: can you just go get what you want to eat? 299 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: And you're saying, like, at this point it's too valuable. Yeah, 300 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: like that stuff those animals are all assigned value by 301 00:15:59,680 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: the gum. 302 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, it makes no sense for us 303 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 2: to utilize them that way. They're they're far too valuable. 304 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 2: So yeah, that quota we do have and that we 305 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 2: do intend to utilize, we're saving it exclusively for you know, 306 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: for our clients. 307 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: And that and like the value the animals is that's 308 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: something that's set by the government, correct, Yeah, And a 309 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: place can op charge or not, but there's what they 310 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: expect to see. 311 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah, they have their their fixed amount 312 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 2: that they want for each one of those species, which 313 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 2: is great because the trophy fee, you know, to really 314 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 2: like simplify it big broad brush terms, the trophy fee 315 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 2: pays for the conservation. And that's and the beauty of 316 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 2: these areas is out here, you know, as you've seen 317 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 2: driving in here. Really there's a couple of little things, 318 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: like there's a bit of mining, there's a bit of 319 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 2: forestry going on in these areas, and there's some kind 320 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 2: of more larger scale agriculture. But in general, the big 321 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 2: competing land use here is subsistence farming, which is so 322 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: it's so marginal and so destructive. So for the government 323 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 2: to have the foresight to say this area, if we 324 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: protect it is going to be something that generates revenue 325 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 2: not just for central government but for local communities as well, 326 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: which can offset some of that need for constant subsistence farming. 327 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 2: But aside from that, it also is something that's like 328 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 2: infinitely renewable. You know, this doesn't aside from our efforts 329 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 2: to preserve the area, which is all kind of baked 330 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 2: in to our costs. You know, it's a cost of 331 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 2: doing business putting in these roads, you know, maintaining the 332 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 2: area so that it's accessible and we can conduct anti poaching, 333 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 2: we can conduct our safaris efficiently. Aside from all that, 334 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 2: the government doesn't need to invest in these areas really, 335 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 2: I mean, they have a budget and they do do 336 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 2: a lot to help support us in protecting the area 337 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,479 Speaker 2: and that's kind of something we do together. But in 338 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 2: general it's not a high investment thing, but it's got 339 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 2: a very good return. 340 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: You return me to something else trying to do. I 341 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: want to talk well anti poaching in our in our 342 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 1: game war that we're hanging out with. Yeah, yeah, but 343 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: I wanted I was talking about those three use types. 344 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: I was saying, like national park, which would be very 345 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: similar to what American would imagine a national park, would 346 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: be a concession, which is different than what you'd picture. 347 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: And then the third category being like sort of like 348 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: an undesignated landscape that and this is gonna be very 349 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: weird to Americans. It's like an undesignated landscape that has 350 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: like very unregulated subsistence farming activities. Meaning it's like like 351 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: if you if you go back and imagine the if 352 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: you go back and imagine the American frontier of the 353 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: Appalachian Region in seventeen seventy seventeen eighty, yep, it's like 354 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: like like in Boone and guys like that, it's basically 355 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 1: what they did. Yeah, Like they just kind of go 356 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: into a place, chop a bunch off down, burn stuff, 357 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 1: grow a crop, deplete the soil, bump belong grow a 358 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 1: corn crop, and it's kind of it's still like that, 359 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: like you just have like communities and I can see 360 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: that if you didn't have and flying over it, you 361 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: see they're gigantic. You see geometrical shapes, Yes, that are gigantic. 362 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: Though it'd be like you're looking like for as far 363 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: as you can see, you see a straight line and 364 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: it winds up being where stuff is slash and burn 365 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: agg and live stide grazing, and it comes up to 366 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: like a game reserve and then it's like then it's 367 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: like wilderness and then you know, ten minutes later whatever 368 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: five minutes later, you fly over the other edge and 369 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: it goes back to like slash and burn egg and 370 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: livestock grazing. 371 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's one of the issues that we have 372 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 2: is that there isn't really a buffer anymore. You know. 373 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,719 Speaker 2: It's that that human kind of activity is right up 374 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 2: against our boundaries, which is is an opportunity and you know, 375 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 2: and a sort of risk. The risk is if if 376 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 2: those communities aren't being properly served, if they're really struggling, 377 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 2: there's always that temptation for encroachment as far as pushing 378 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 2: livestock in here, pushing agriculture in here, poaching activities like that. 379 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 2: But if those communities are properly served, they could be 380 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 2: great partners for conservation too. They can really help us 381 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 2: out in protecting these areas, long term policing outsiders that 382 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 2: might be coming in looking to do criminal activity, and 383 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 2: a great source of employees and people that we can 384 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 2: just generally cooperate with. So we see that not in 385 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: such a negative light. It presents both an opportunity at risk, 386 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 2: and we're just always trying to tweak our operations and 387 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 2: adjust our kind of posture to where those communities are 388 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 2: on side. They're seeing the benefits and they're working with us, 389 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 2: rather than we're kind of like at odds, Well. 390 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: It's such another aspect, then we're kind of we'll clause 391 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: up with what our objective is going to be over 392 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 1: the next few days. But here's another aspect. They would 393 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: like blow Americans minds. Weren't a what anybody would define 394 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: as a wilderness area. You guys have you call him roads. 395 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: You guys have trails, Like if you didn't tend to 396 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: this in two years, it's gone, it's gone here. Yeah, 397 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: So you guys have a trail network, you have a camp, 398 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: you have vehicles. So what the Tanzanian government's able to 399 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: do is they're able to put a law enforcement officer 400 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: like a game warden with you in your truck. So 401 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: his responsibility is like what are you up to? But 402 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: also you provide like the infrastructure and transportation for him 403 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: to then patrol the wilderness. And like today we went 404 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: out and ran into some dudes doing wild honey and 405 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: like the guy with us carrying AK forty seven, like 406 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: ask them for their honey license, but he produces out 407 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 1: of his pocket and checks his paperwork, you know. And 408 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: it's just like it'd be like if someone said, like, hey, 409 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: while you're hunt in the US, or someone said, hey, 410 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: why you boys are elkinne, do you mind giving our 411 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: game word and a ride around so he can see 412 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: what's going on, you know, just like it's like completely 413 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, it's impossible to picture, but it's like 414 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 1: this such a different interesting system. Yeah, you make like 415 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: you make it possible for wildlife law enforcement to occur 416 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: in this area. Yeah, and otherwise it probably wouldn't. Yeah, 417 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: absolutely well, we and that's always been a big thing 418 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: for us, our relationship with TAWA, which is the agency 419 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 1: that he comes from, is about cooperation. We want to 420 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: do things together. Our goals are very much aligned. When 421 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: our business works, their revenue looks good and their outcomes 422 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: as far as wanting to see habitat restoration and stable 423 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: or growing numbers of wildlife and intact wilderness, they're meeting 424 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: their goals too. So very much everything we do here 425 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: is in collaboration with them, right down to I mean, 426 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: and you know, right down to the fact that, yeah, 427 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: the relationship with him is not adversarial. 428 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 2: I'm not like, yeah he's jumping out. He's really keen. 429 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 2: He's really invested in our success because that's where that's 430 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 2: where their bread's buttered. Right. And then even our anti 431 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 2: poaching patrols behind the scenes, that's done totally in cooperation 432 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 2: with TAWA as well. That's a joint venture between us 433 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 2: and then to everyone's mutual benefit. So yeah, that's one 434 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 2: of the really nice things here. These law enforcement guys 435 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 2: to us, they're not like the fun stoppers, you know, 436 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 2: they're sure they're there to help us. 437 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: Another fun one that I think would be just surprising. 438 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: I can think of one example in the US, some 439 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: shuters more but like there's some unit, there's some black 440 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: bear units in Alaska where if you hit the bear, 441 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: that's your tag. 442 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 2: Yep. 443 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: Okay, you touch the bear, it that's your tag yep. 444 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: Here if you wing it, yeah that's true. Yeah, it 445 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: comes off your license wounded, lost, and and that's like 446 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: that's that's the hunter's chance has been like, well let's 447 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: go get another one. 448 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 2: No, no, I mean there are things where you have 449 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 2: multiples on license, but but you're still paying for that 450 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 2: first one. And so that's another great reason to do 451 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 2: your do your practice. You come, take your time, and 452 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 2: if you don't feel good, you know, don't pull the trigger. 453 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 2: That's a big one. I can. I can bring my 454 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 2: clients right up to that point, but once once it 455 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,719 Speaker 2: comes to pressing that trigger, that's all on you. So 456 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 2: but we won't have any issues there. 457 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: Don't play on on it. 458 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 2: Okay. 459 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: So explain where hard this is going to play out 460 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: over the next few days as we try to get 461 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: a buffalo. 462 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, we're early season here. The cover is 463 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 2: still really thick, a lot of thick vegetation, a lot 464 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 2: of tall grass. So that's kind of got a double 465 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 2: edged quality to it. Where we we're gonna it's gonna 466 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 2: make it easier for us to sneak up on them, 467 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 2: but it's going to make it harder for us to 468 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 2: find them. So we're really focusing on finding tracks, and 469 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 2: that means getting up early, well before dawn, transiting through 470 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: those less productive areas, and getting to kind of buffalo hotspots, 471 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 2: which at the moment is these little valleys that kind 472 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 2: of feed down to the Ugulla River and those valleys 473 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 2: hold buffalo and in there we have roads that kind 474 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,719 Speaker 2: of transsect them. A lot of those roads, unfortunately right 475 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 2: now are still pretty wet, so that's why we've done 476 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 2: a lot of walking today, just trying to kind of 477 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 2: find those tracks on foot. But in an ideal world, 478 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 2: we'd cut those tracks where they've crossed one of our 479 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 2: roads or where they've come from water, or we'll find 480 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 2: them on foot if need be, and once we find 481 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 2: a good viable track. You know, this morning we had 482 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 2: a bit of an issue with there was tracks mixed 483 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 2: in with other tracks, and the buffalo had been feeding 484 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 2: and a herd had crossed over the bulls, and then 485 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 2: the bulls had crossed back over the herd, and it 486 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 2: was just extremely difficult to sort out to where it 487 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 2: didn't seem like a good use of time. But eventually, 488 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 2: if we keep at it, we're going to find a 489 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,479 Speaker 2: set of tracks where there'll be some feeding. But then 490 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 2: we'll see where they've lined out to go look for 491 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 2: shade and look for a place to lay down and 492 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 2: ruminate during the day, and we're going to get on 493 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 2: those tracks and follow them till we find those buffalo. 494 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's parts excites me. 495 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 2: Man. 496 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be it's so hard to picture. 497 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 2: Oh, and it's a different feeling. I mean, it's been 498 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 2: cool today to look for tracks, old tracks and different tracks. 499 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 2: But when you're on a track that's really got some 500 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 2: substance to it, like you've got something to really chew on, 501 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 2: and you see the guys are on it and they're 502 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 2: following it and they're engaged, that's a different feeling and 503 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to that. I'm looking forward to feeling 504 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 2: that vibe. 505 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: It's hard take a stab out here. How many miles 506 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: might you cover today? It really depends on what you're doing. 507 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 2: But I bet in some of these days we'll do 508 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 2: one hundred, one hundred and twenty miles in the car 509 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 2: and then you know, prop all on trails and then 510 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:43,239 Speaker 2: anywhere from four to twenty on foot, just depending on 511 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 2: how where we end up and how close we can 512 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 2: get the car to come pick us up. We were 513 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 2: kind of lucky today. We did a few miles and 514 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 2: we were able to get the cars in front of 515 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 2: us to where we didn't have to walk back to 516 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 2: the rigs. So that was really helpful. But it's not 517 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 2: a guarantee it was a good trail run. Yeah, it 518 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 2: was a good dry run. Yeah, I wish we'd picked 519 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 2: up some fresher tracks in there. But if we keep 520 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 2: out this, it's gonna work. 521 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: And the final last thing we're looking for, like, we're 522 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,479 Speaker 1: looking for bulls, yeah, that are like at the end 523 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: of their life. 524 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and they're in a non breeding phase. So 525 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 2: we're looking for bachelor solitary bulls or bulls that are 526 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: in the company of a couple of other bulls outside 527 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 2: of the herd, so they're in a non breeding phase, and. 528 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: They might be how old. 529 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 2: I'm anywhere from eight to twelve. Twelve would be the 530 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 2: extreme upper end, and then sort of an eight nine 531 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 2: year old to'd be right in that sweet spot that 532 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 2: we want. 533 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: You know, that's very similar to is is like doll sheet. 534 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,719 Speaker 2: Oh really yeah. Oh interesting, So that's kind of when 535 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 2: they're coming to the end of a. 536 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: Lot of dolls sheet Like twelve is like really old yeah. 537 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: Ten is kind of the sweet spot. 538 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 2: Nice for a big round, Yeah for sure. Yeah, and 539 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 2: nice old bulls what we're looking for and we're going 540 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 2: to find him. He's out here, all right. 541 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: We'll keep colming, we'll keep dropping more things, and we'll 542 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: cover all kinds different aspects. We're gonna talk to trackers 543 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: who are the stars of the show, absolute hundred trackers. 544 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: I won't talk to any camera guys. It's been proposed. 545 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna do that. We'll think of 546 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: all kinds of interesting things to talk about. Stay tuned.