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Speaker 1: M HM. Welcome to episode one twenty nine of The

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Speaker 1: Bobby Cast. It's the weekend show and Ryan Hurd is here.

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Speaker 1: And usually on the weekends we don't bring a guest in.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of stuff that we gotta catch

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Speaker 1: up on from the week. But uh, I guess this

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Speaker 1: is the only one we're doing this week. So it's

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Speaker 1: two things. One is the only episode we're doing, and

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Speaker 1: then too, I feel like we know you well and

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Speaker 1: help we can just bring you in and you just chill. Well.

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Speaker 1: I came over to the pool party, man, so I

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Speaker 1: feel like, you know, I can make myself at home here,

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Speaker 1: and this new studio is beautiful, and uh yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: cool to get an opportunity to come. I was like

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Speaker 1: one of the first guys you had on this, which

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Speaker 1: is what I was gonna say. You know, there are

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Speaker 1: two people that I kind of give credit to saying

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Speaker 1: to myself, hey, this can be a thing, and it's

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Speaker 1: you and Caitlin Smith, because early on, I think I

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Speaker 1: was still in the condo at the time. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: was like, and it was before your I mean, you're

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Speaker 1: all you've always been an artist, but it was before

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Speaker 1: you were outwardly trying to be an artist getting you know, radio, Satellite, Spotify,

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Speaker 1: you know all that before that had taken and you

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Speaker 1: were in as Ryan heard this songwriter because that's what

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Speaker 1: I was doing just and then uh yeah, here we

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Speaker 1: are again. It's like a full circle. Is he the

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Speaker 1: only person we've ever had back? I think I think

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Speaker 1: you're the first one we've also had back. That is

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Speaker 1: very cool man, Thank you guys. I know we've done

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Speaker 1: two with with Lindsay, that's true, and then we did

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Speaker 1: a double with Jackline. But yeah, you know, yeah, look

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Speaker 1: at you. You're the first person we've had back that

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Speaker 1: I have a made out with another not not Jacqueline,

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Speaker 1: she stayed. We did a double long one. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I get the first person. So look at that. I

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Speaker 1: was driving in US flipping through and I heard you

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Speaker 1: on satellite and Diamonds that it was the number one song.

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Speaker 1: That's really really cool about you is that you don't

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Speaker 1: see somebody like them as like your competition. No. I

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Speaker 1: just like to see the artist thrive for everybody. I

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Speaker 1: feel like there's this thing where and I had to

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Speaker 1: learn the hard way. It's like if you try to

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Speaker 1: make somebody feel special, then every it really what actually

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Speaker 1: accomplishes is to make everybody else mad, and so it's

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Speaker 1: cool to have and I know that. I think you

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Speaker 1: use it more for like what's working before I run

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Speaker 1: with something, and that's a huge I think that's brilliant.

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Speaker 1: And I also, you know, it's cool to like be

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Speaker 1: able to talk about a small success. For me, that's

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Speaker 1: the kind of the like the most successful accident I've

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Speaker 1: ever had. But it's not on your platform as much.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you were so supportive of it, and I

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Speaker 1: had so many Bobby listeners gravitate to the song, but

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Speaker 1: you know, it's not you know, on the on the highway.

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Speaker 1: So it's cool to have you like support that. And

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Speaker 1: I just that that was such a unique moment and

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Speaker 1: I think people really liked that it was honest and

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Speaker 1: there wasn't a marketing push, and I think people really

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Speaker 1: do like what I do. And it's cool to be

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Speaker 1: able to like turn around and say hey Sony, hey management,

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Speaker 1: Hey myself, I think I can really do this. And

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Speaker 1: that's It's been a really cool a few months with

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Speaker 1: that song. I think that one of the song is good.

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Speaker 1: If the song wasn't good, really, even if they like you,

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't care because I like a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: but some of the people I like don't have good songs.

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Speaker 1: Some people I don't like have great songs. And I

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Speaker 1: try to really approach it professionally all the same. He

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Speaker 1: really play some of that you have that you have.

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Speaker 1: I'll be I was driving in I heard it and

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Speaker 1: number one and I was like, look at that. Good

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Speaker 1: for him. I just like songs to be heard, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I just like good things to hit good ears and

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Speaker 1: hit hit good eyes, because that's how we're all living.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're all basically small punk bands at this point,

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Speaker 1: meaning we're going to places and making relationships with fans listeners,

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Speaker 1: and it's such a niche world now, you know, we're

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Speaker 1: out Like the punk bands of the eighties, what they

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Speaker 1: I feel like with country artists now you have to

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Speaker 1: but I didn't know the policy, so there wasn't a

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Speaker 1: like you you put yourself out there and you're like, well,

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Speaker 1: matter who you are, and that's an exhausting process. And

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Speaker 1: that's very unique to our format because I've watched you know,

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Speaker 1: And that's the ability that I think some of now.

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Speaker 1: Again I speak from radio, but I don't have the

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Speaker 1: even then, I'm not supposed to be a music guy.

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Speaker 1: Like they didn't bring me here to go, hey, find

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Speaker 1: to come and do be funny and be you have

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Speaker 1: because what happens is, and you don't have to speak

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Speaker 1: on this, what happens. What has happened inadvertently, I think

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Speaker 1: hold them back and I'm not gonna I've seen that

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Speaker 1: for the larger scale, go, I don't want to be

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Speaker 1: then I think that's what I wanted to do, and

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Speaker 1: I think and I think that's what I'm going to

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Speaker 1: whatever this arms race has turned into, because that's almost

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Speaker 1: what it's like now. It feels like that a little bit,

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Speaker 1: I really enjoy and I think, really believe in me.

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Speaker 1: But what I like I am trying to accomplish is

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Speaker 1: and it's and and but they're not trying to honestly, like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a manager and I'm not a music I

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Speaker 1: understand this isn't supposed to be fair, and it's not.

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Speaker 1: This is not the music fun time, socialist music. No,

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Speaker 1: it's the music business. And you sign up for the

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Speaker 1: The arms race is exhausting. And as an artist, I

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's why I stopped just writing songs for

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Speaker 1: everything else. But man, I it is I feel like

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Speaker 1: relationship with my label like really solid, and also just

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Speaker 1: to be able to like sit back and be like,

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Speaker 1: but that's not my whole life and it can't be

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Speaker 1: you're music is a great thing and it's your whole life,

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Speaker 1: but it's also like like let's look at the whole

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna eventually run for office, Like I think that's

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Speaker 1: my thing. It cool. I think I'm gonna be the

431
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Speaker 1: governor of Arkansas, and I think eventually I may give

432
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Speaker 1: the president a shot. And I don't think that because

433
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Speaker 1: I have these grandiose visions of telling people what to do.

434
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Speaker 1: I just think I understand what it's like to go

435
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Speaker 1: through the process to have it be really difficult. So

436
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 1: what happened with the sports show? Oh, I had too much.

437
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Speaker 1: So I was for for those who don't know, I

438
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Speaker 1: was doing a national sports show on about three hundred stations,

439
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 1: and I was doing that on weekends and filling in,

440
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Speaker 1: and it was on Fox Sports, and I was doing

441
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Speaker 1: my radio show and I was even on the road,

442
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Speaker 1: And so what had happened to They had offered me

443
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Speaker 1: that a national like every day afternoon sports show moved

444
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Speaker 1: to Los Angeles to Sports. Everybody hated the sports show

445
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 1: except for the people that listened to it. It was odd.

446
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 1: It was the same thing. I've never really been anywhere

447
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Speaker 1: that I fit, but I think that's made me fit everywhere,

448
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Speaker 1: which has been the cool thing about it. But they

449
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Speaker 1: offered me. They gave me a couple of options, like

450
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Speaker 1: go to a national alternative show, you do a national

451
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Speaker 1: sports show, or I could be here, which I wanted

452
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Speaker 1: to be because there had never been a country show

453
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Speaker 1: as large as the one that I was going to create.

454
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Speaker 1: It wasn't step into it because it didn't exist yet,

455
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Speaker 1: and so I wanted to come here. And what happened

456
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Speaker 1: to it was it was just I had to kind

457
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Speaker 1: of decide what I want. You only have so much time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm pretty hypo curl saying that. A I'm

459
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Speaker 1: putting out books and you know, but you really only

460
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Speaker 1: have so much time. And uh so that's where it was.

461
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Speaker 1: But I'm you know, I'm a nerd. I'm a sports nerd.

462
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Speaker 1: So that was a tough one. I had to make

463
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Speaker 1: a decision was do I want to go pursue a

464
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Speaker 1: professional sports broadcasting career or do I want to come

465
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Speaker 1: to Nashville and do this. But I just saw this

466
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Speaker 1: as being the radio show a big part of it.

467
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Speaker 1: But I knew I could just for me. It's the

468
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 1: same thing with music. It is about just getting content

469
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Speaker 1: out there, books, going out on stage and meeting and

470
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Speaker 1: meeting people and music and all the things. And I

471
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Speaker 1: think that the things now with artists, and especially in

472
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Speaker 1: our format, we're five years behind. Because look at Drake's record.

473
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:10,959
Speaker 1: He just puts out Scorpion it but tracks tracks. But

474
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Speaker 1: what he does right is he feeds people constantly, even

475
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Speaker 1: when he's not putting out a record of twenty three tracks.

476
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Speaker 1: He's putting out another song three weeks later, another song,

477
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Speaker 1: two weeks later, another song. That's how we like to

478
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Speaker 1: consume it. Because we're all subscribed to streaming platforms. We

479
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Speaker 1: can consume without having to pay for it every time.

480
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Speaker 1: Because we're paying for it all the time. Now, the

481
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Speaker 1: pro is there's that much more music for us to

482
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Speaker 1: listen to. The con is it becomes disposable because you go,

483
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Speaker 1: I like the song. Back in the day, we spent

484
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Speaker 1: nine bucks on a download of a record, or we'll

485
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Speaker 1: go back further, we bought a c D or even

486
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Speaker 1: a tape. Like, we spend our money and we were

487
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Speaker 1: gonna get our investment out of that, So we're gonna

488
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Speaker 1: play it all the time. Take that and you put

489
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Speaker 1: it in a streaming platform. Your investment is all you

490
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Speaker 1: can eat buffet, So you're not just gonna eat the

491
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Speaker 1: tomatoes for on the all you can eat buffet. You're

492
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Speaker 1: gonna take as much up as possible. So someone like

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Speaker 1: Drake who's constantly feeding people boom boom, boom boom. That's

494
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Speaker 1: the model. Now. It's a difference for what record labels

495
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Speaker 1: are because it's a money it's a change and you

496
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Speaker 1: have to commit to it and spend money on that.

497
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Speaker 1: What we do in the country format is, let's we'll

498
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Speaker 1: use lucas an example. Luca put out a record and

499
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Speaker 1: then he'll have it and it'll go to radio and

500
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Speaker 1: he'll talk and he's the most successful in our format

501
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Speaker 1: right now of the contemporary artists. So maybe he's not

502
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Speaker 1: the best example for people to hear and go because

503
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Speaker 1: it works for him because he's the biggest. But Drake

504
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Speaker 1: puts out a song every three weeks and then he

505
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Speaker 1: puts out an album as well in the middle of

506
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Speaker 1: all this process, so you're constant looking for new music.

507
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Speaker 1: There's always Drake stuff popping up. So Drake is always

508
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Speaker 1: in your conscious and your consciousness always and so I

509
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Speaker 1: think that's where our formats missing, and it's gonna be

510
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 1: There're gonna be a couple of artists to do that

511
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Speaker 1: the right way and it's gonna really turn the format on.

512
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Speaker 1: It's either sure, I don't know who it is. I

513
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Speaker 1: still love the album, don't get me wrong. I think

514
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Speaker 1: concept albums are going to be the the album of

515
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Speaker 1: the future, meaning this is the album I did for

516
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Speaker 1: this exact reason, and it stands for this exact thing,

517
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Speaker 1: not just a collection of songs. You can put out

518
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Speaker 1: a collection of songs one or two at a time,

519
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Speaker 1: or three at a time for every month collection. What's

520
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Speaker 1: a collection a song? Seven songs like Kanye, twenty three

521
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Speaker 1: songs like Drake. There really aren't rules. And I think

522
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Speaker 1: because in our format, we're hearing to these rules. Uh,

523
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Speaker 1: that's why we're getting left behind in the streaming deal

524
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Speaker 1: because we're we're putting our twelve and ninety nine or

525
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Speaker 1: whatever you subscribe to, if the Spotify or Apple or

526
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Speaker 1: I R Radio or whatever it is. Uh, and we're

527
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Speaker 1: getting our investment, but our investments not staying with the

528
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Speaker 1: same product now the same songs that they used to be.

529
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Speaker 1: Does all that makes sense? Yeah? And I tried to

530
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Speaker 1: do that. I think our initial plan was to put

531
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Speaker 1: out a song a month until they told us to stop,

532
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Speaker 1: and then we go to radio and take whatever it

533
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Speaker 1: was reacting there and and I think we just hit

534
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Speaker 1: a wall because people love terrestrial radio so much in

535
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Speaker 1: country music, it's still where they get their songs, and

536
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Speaker 1: there's other discovery things, but they It's amazing to me

537
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: that people care about what single goes on the radio

538
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 1: if they already bought the record, you know what I mean,

539
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: Like I really really want this to be. I think

540
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Speaker 1: it's because they want to, like they are invested in

541
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Speaker 1: that artist and they want to like agree with the

542
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Speaker 1: choices and he and everyone else to find these songs whatever.

543
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: But the streaming thing, man, it's really interesting because we

544
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Speaker 1: talked about every meeting with these with record people, and

545
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Speaker 1: it's like it that is their main their main frustration

546
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: with it is that we the our market doesn't use

547
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Speaker 1: streaming the way that the other markets do and the

548
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Speaker 1: other The one thing they have said is that the

549
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Speaker 1: country music consumer in in streaming is is for the

550
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Speaker 1: most part, like they're the paid subscriber, where the other

551
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Speaker 1: genres are a lot of people just using the free

552
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Speaker 1: version of everything. So like they see a lot of

553
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Speaker 1: potential with our market just because our markets used to

554
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Speaker 1: buying music. Still, just because you're used to something doesn't

555
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: mean that's the way it's going to be. And that's

556
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: my problem. And at times I get called a bit progressive.

557
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: But when we were doing a podcast nine years ago

558
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Speaker 1: or putting our and really highlighting our show, Hey you

559
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: should listen to us on the internet, I was you

560
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: know we were called dumb, like keep people listening to

561
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: the radio. My thing was how it's gonna be built

562
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: so when people come to it and go, oh, I

563
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: want to do it, we're already gonna be there waiting

564
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: for them. And so but in three years, you're gonna

565
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: see such a shift toward all and I mean and

566
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: all the platforms, and they're all gonna get stronger by competition.

567
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: For me, what for what I do. I'm with the

568
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 1: most elite company with for what I do, which just

569
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: create content like what I got lucky. I've been my

570
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: company for thirteen years, but I got lucky about five

571
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: years ago whenever these new bosses came in because they

572
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: put all a lot of on talent and content. And

573
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: you can go and here Ryan Hurt song in seven

574
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Speaker 1: different places right and go all the all things we

575
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: just mentioned. But you're only gonna be able to hear

576
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: my show without our radio. And if you like Charlemagne

577
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: the God Who's Hip Hop, or Elvis Durant, like Howard

578
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: stern On serious, there's only one place to get that.

579
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,479
Speaker 1: And my company really highlighted that, and that's why I

580
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: really love my art radio. But you're gonna see all

581
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: these things start to splinter. Uh it's right now. It's

582
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: really cool if you're into technology, because you just don't

583
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: know where it's going. And that's why it's fun. And

584
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: that's why I pay attention to all these things. And

585
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 1: I enjoy what serious does you know. I like what

586
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: they do with the new artists, and they have space

587
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: to do it because they don't have they don't have

588
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: to get ratings. They can play four terrible songs in

589
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: a row and it doesn't matter. There are no ratings,

590
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: and so we can flip off, flip back on, they subscribe,

591
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: they're good. Um, we're radio where we have we have

592
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: a much bigger audience, but we can't play songs that

593
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: are risky because if people turn it off, ratings go down.

594
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: You don't make money back on commercials. They're just different

595
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: business models. I still don't think it's going anywhere. I

596
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: know people have said that ever since I've been before

597
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: I even had a publishing deal. People are like, radio,

598
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's not gonna be around, or it's not

599
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: gonna be as important, and it just seems to be

600
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: getting more important. And I know that you can get

601
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: music from other places and you can discover music from

602
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: other places, but I just I don't see it going anywhere.

603
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: And I might have people call me stupid for saying it,

604
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: but just I've been here long enough and heard enough

605
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: people for as long as I've been here say this

606
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: is going to be irrelevant, and it just keeps getting

607
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: weirdly more relevant. And I think there's two things you

608
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: cannot beat free never and it's readily available and it's

609
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: still in your car, and that's where people listen to

610
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: the radio. And number two, they are never. You cannot

611
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: shut like federally, you cannot shut down radio waves because

612
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: if everything, if there's a nuclear reaction or something like that,

613
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: and the internet doesn't work, you still have to use

614
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: a M and FM radio to communicate. It's like that's

615
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Speaker 1: a public service. So like there's there's two reasons that

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00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: you can't like get you just can't get rid of it.

617
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: If people are worried about that. I think the relevance

618
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: thing is is a conversation, but I haven't seen any

619
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Speaker 1: evidence of its slowing down too much. Well for me,

620
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: I don't even look at radio the same way as

621
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Speaker 1: I did three years ago. So when I hear radio,

622
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: I just think of the phone. So I guess that's

623
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: just how you think about radio, because I think you're

624
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: talking about terrestrial from a signal from a tower radio.

625
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: I think a lot of that transitions a bit. But

626
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: for me, I the radio is in my phone and

627
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: it's all the things that we just talked about. It's

628
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: every kind of anything that will play anything, any content

629
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: and music like that's the radio to me. Um so.

630
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: But I mean, you look at the seventies and eighties.

631
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: Whenever network television and you know the network television is

632
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: gonna die. Here it comes cable network television has a die.

633
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: There are a lot more options for you. And I

634
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: just think it's all a niche based world. We're getting

635
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: into all these different things because there are more of them.

636
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: Are going to have to provide a specialized service to

637
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: that person, and who can specialize the best and find

638
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: that exact niche For me, you know, I know what

639
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: I do the best. It's not fine music. It's not

640
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: play music. It's actually create compelling content. Whatever that is.

641
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: If it's this, if it's finding something that in the

642
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: world that is broken that I think we can work

643
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Speaker 1: to fix. If it's farting, I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there are all these things, and you know from that

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646
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Speaker 1: It's one they've been having for thirty years. Have you

647
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Speaker 1: ever farted on the air? Yeah, accidentally like where you

648
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Speaker 1: people could hear it. Yeah, but I don't know that

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't even mind farting on the We're

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Speaker 1: I calling we into this about thirty five minutes? All right?

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Speaker 1: How many commercials do do a week? Oh? Over everything?

681
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: So I here are my rules on commercials. Won't do

682
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Speaker 1: it unless I know it now. I don't have to

683
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Speaker 1: use it if someone close to me uses it and

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685
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Speaker 1: I would not talk about it if I didn't. Um,

686
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Speaker 1: did you go lay on it and prove me right

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Speaker 1: if you wanted to. It's right down there downstairs. That's three.

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Speaker 1: They have three of them at this point. Yeah, every

689
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Speaker 1: just about every room. But that being said, like for

690
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Speaker 1: a long time, I did not use laser hair removal.

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Speaker 1: Amy did, but she loved it, and they said, hey,

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Speaker 1: would you mind coming on this on the commercials with

693
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Speaker 1: Dark and I did it. I also understand this is

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Speaker 1: a business. We're all we're trying to make money for us,

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Speaker 1: and how we make money for us and make money

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Speaker 1: for the people above us so they can be money

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00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: for the people above them. Like I get it. But

698
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Speaker 1: at one point in my career finally got to go,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm only going to do things that

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Speaker 1: I think work, that I think I believe in. And

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Speaker 1: so I did laser hair removal for eight years and

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Speaker 1: then I finally did it and it's awesome. So that

703
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Speaker 1: was one that I didn't do, but I probably they do. Yeah,

704
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: over a hundred commercials a week. Yeah, it's a lot.

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00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: I go in for an hour before I go on

706
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: the air every day. Yeah. Wow, Yeah, I just I

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00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: mean I have a stack of and then liners because

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Speaker 1: we're on in so many cities, I think we're cities now,

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Speaker 1: and then we're in Canada now to all these stays

710
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Speaker 1: in Canada. So it's like I'm reading, I'm like, going,

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Speaker 1: how you listening to Ottawa's number one for and then

712
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: I'll read a whole page for them, and then I'm going, hey,

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Speaker 1: check out Van's Auto parts. And you know that's I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's the job, but it is. It is fascinating. I've

715
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: gotten so into like other people's work lately, and it's

716
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: just little things that I am fascinated by. I'm not

717
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: a details guy, but I'm like fascinated and simple stuff

718
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: like we have this trainer that everybody uses named Aaron,

719
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Speaker 1: and I was asking her the other day about why

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Speaker 1: she never isolates calves and she's like, no, why I do?

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Speaker 1: And I was like, well, my other good dude doesn't

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Speaker 1: do it either. I was just curious if you had

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Speaker 1: like a reason. She said, no, I do it like this,

724
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Speaker 1: and I the spray tan girl had a new spray

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Speaker 1: tan gun, and I was like, why is this one

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Speaker 1: cooler than than the other one? But I'm like, I

727
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: am fascinated by other people's jobs, and like what the

728
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Speaker 1: nuts in the bolts? Sometimes I think most of what

729
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: I do is the nuts. People don't even see it.

730
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Speaker 1: The easiest thing for me is to go on the

731
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: air and do the show. Had the hardest thing is

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00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: all the work, not even the commercials that is that's

733
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: just me you reading, yeah, um, But it's all the

734
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 1: preparation that goes into the show, you know, Like dude,

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Speaker 1: you guys, the amount of like it's different than a

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Speaker 1: like a live show, where you like spend a month

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00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: or two like conceptualizing it and then you rehearse it

738
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: and you do the production and then you go play

739
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: it and it's the same every night. Like a live

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00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: show is like you gotta have something when that one's over.

741
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: It's sort of like a great job, let's do it

742
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: next year. And if it's great, who cares. But if

743
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Speaker 1: it's bad, you're like, oh god, I gotta get on

744
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: and do something good. Yeah. But that's also the beauty

745
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: of it is that you get instant feedback good or bad,

746
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: and you get to move on to the next thing.

747
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: I have trouble to do it. I mean, look, I

748
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Speaker 1: have nine projects right and you know, a couple of

749
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: TV shows going right now. I've got the book pressed

750
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Speaker 1: like at the radio show, and I love all of

751
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: this stuff. I get when I get really intoed in

752
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: the same thing over and over again, I start to

753
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: go a little crazy. The good thing about the radio

754
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: show every day is that it can be as different

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Speaker 1: or same as I wanted to be. So if I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about you know, Ryan heard for twenty minutes,

757
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Speaker 1: I can, or I can form on a microphone. You know.

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Speaker 1: It really something to aspire. Yeah, it really is. That's

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Speaker 1: the great part. I do have my walls. If I

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Speaker 1: go on at five am, I get off at ten am,

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00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: and I've got to play this amount of commercials. But

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Speaker 1: I'm lucky enough to have built to where I kind

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Speaker 1: of have creative freedom. Yeah they don't. You know, I

764
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: really don't have anyone coming in now. I have. Ratings

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Speaker 1: went down in a lot of places, and you know

766
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Speaker 1: how how it works with me too, is you can't

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Speaker 1: look at one single city and go wow, ratings are

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Speaker 1: awesome or ratings are terrible, because we're on in a

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Speaker 1: bunch of cities. So you sure you look you have

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Speaker 1: the sample size has to be pretty good. I would

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Speaker 1: imagine you in Omaha. I don't know if you're at Omaha.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you are Omaha in l A are very different

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00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: New York City and yeah, New York City and Milwaukee

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00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: are very different places with very different people, very different people.

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00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: But you can't look at one. So let's sam in

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Speaker 1: a hunt will use block. Uh, if seven of them

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Speaker 1: are up and thirty of them are down, that's actually

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Speaker 1: a win because I can't control up or down. You know,

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00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 1: It's it's all about who is doing the rating. It's

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00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: just like when you get research. You know, it's it's

781
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: who gets the call to do the research. It's not

782
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: always accurate, but it is data, and some data is

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00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: better than no data when trying to make a decision

784
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: based on data. Yeah, so that's kind of how I

785
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: live my life, is that if seventy up thirty down,

786
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: that means you're pretty much going in the direction because

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Speaker 1: it's a bigger the sample size, the more realistic of

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00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: what you're looking at. So but yeah, I do. I

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00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: do a ton of commercial Here's the story I was

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00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 1: gonna tell you whenever I was probably twenty five or so,

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00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: Sarah McLaughlin was coming into the studio. Very cool, very cool.

792
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Speaker 1: This is back in my when I was doing pop

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Speaker 1: and I may have just started my own syndication company

794
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: around that time, maybe had had one station on maybe two,

795
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: and I wanted to go and we have any engineers

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Speaker 1: like we were We had nothing. I mean even the

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00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: equipment that I started to syndicate with I had to

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00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: buy myself. Like nobody was investing in any of it.

799
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Speaker 1: And I'm glad they didn't. Looking back, it was the

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Speaker 1: greatest thing to ever happened to me because I learned

801
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: so much in the process of the struggle. Um. But

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00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: so I'm going up and I'm running down the hallway

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Speaker 1: and I'm playing the piano on two my through my board.

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00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm recording it, and then I'm listening back to it

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Speaker 1: in my studio and running back down the hallway playing

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Speaker 1: piano again, making sure that it sounds good for on

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Speaker 1: the year because she was playing in room down the

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Speaker 1: hall and I'm playing and I messed up. This is

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Speaker 1: recording now, I said, oh, and I wasn't on the

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Speaker 1: air and I was liked f f F and this

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Speaker 1: is I've only not been cursing for about two years.

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Speaker 1: So I'm listening at the potty mouth for a long

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00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: time and eventually probably will again. But I was like, nah, Deity,

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Speaker 1: Deity I was playing, I messed out, like and so

815
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Speaker 1: I go back to the studio and I was like, okay.

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00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: So I go on the air, not thinking much about it,

817
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: and I say, Sarah McLaughlin's got to come play. And

818
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Speaker 1: that was a big fan. You know, I will remember you.

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Speaker 1: You know, she was I hope she plays that song,

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Speaker 1: you know idio and I was going and said, oh man,

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Speaker 1: And so I hit the button to play the first

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Speaker 1: part of me playing the piano. What I didn't realize

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Speaker 1: was I never rewound it. So as soon as I

824
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Speaker 1: hit it on the air, it goes. The airport just

825
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: started screaming over the year. There was no delay. This

826
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Speaker 1: is pretty Janet Jackson justin Timberla. Yeah, oh no. So

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Speaker 1: I'm obviously said the Fford like six times on the

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Speaker 1: air has a great, pretty good song. And so I'm like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, oh my god. I'm god, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Nobody said a word to me, but you, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you've got in trouble. But that was not something. No

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Speaker 1: no one said a word. I don't think anybody heard it.

834
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Speaker 1: I don't know nobody as nothing. Man. I wish that

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Speaker 1: happn't just nothing. I didn't think about that. When I do,

836
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: like stuff like this and stuff like the highway, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I can say whatever I want and no one's going

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Speaker 1: to get but that I don't. But I can totally

839
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: and here you can say whatever you wanted. You could

840
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: fart on the microphone and you could, and on the

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00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 1: satellite you can. You know why the federal regulations because

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00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: the government owns the air waves and there are obscenity

843
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: rules which really don't exist. My thesis my senior in

844
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Speaker 1: college as an honors graduate, was the Seven Deadly Words.

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Speaker 1: It was a page thesis and I'd get up and

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Speaker 1: deliver it in front of all of the faculty, and

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Speaker 1: it was how I think eventually radio turns into allowing

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Speaker 1: all the words. And I still feel the same way

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Speaker 1: I did when I was two and wrote this, this

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Speaker 1: humongous thesis, but I used all the words. I basically

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Speaker 1: cursed for you, and I believe that FF is gonna

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Speaker 1: and so and I got the ribbon for the best things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah my graduation. Yeah, but my brain. I trained my

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Speaker 1: brain to the only reason I don't cuss because I

855
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 1: just think it's a sound like I honestly just think

856
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: a curse word as a sound even larger than that.

857
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: I don't associate it with anything. I don't think the

858
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: F word means something dirty. If you don't in your

859
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: mind think it's something dirty. If somebody that didn't speak

860
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: English had the effort to somebody else, it would just

861
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: be like, well, like, it's not assigned to some bad

862
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: stigma because only because we've assigned it to that. So

863
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: I just do it because I don't want to create

864
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: and have those pop up and have to then go.

865
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: I gotta circumvent that I want to be because I

866
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: know what I want to create and how I want

867
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: to create it. I don't want those to even creep

868
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: into my creation because then I just have to push

869
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: them out, and that's that's more energy, and it's that's

870
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: more creativity that I'm having a waste. I'm just getting

871
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: rid of the F word. Not even know if that

872
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 1: makes sense, Well yeah it does. I just think it's

873
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: if I was in your spot, it would and my

874
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: job was to talk for a living publicly, I'd probably like,

875
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: you know what this is? Probably this is this is

876
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: much more of a risk than it is worth. This

877
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: is just there's too much risk here in using these

878
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: words regularly to just it's easier for me to just

879
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: cut them all out. You brought something up earlier, and

880
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: it's something I'm sensitive to, is that you brought up

881
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: you didn't want to exploit your marriage, and so the

882
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: last couple of times that you have been on the air,

883
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: I haven't brought Maren up at all out of respect

884
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: to you, because I again, I knew you before you

885
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: were married to Marin and before and I don't know

886
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: if you ever if you feel like you're in a

887
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: lot of places Marin's husband, Oh, I I am that

888
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: and to most people, but that's something I'm totally fine,

889
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: but meaning first and foremost, well, I I just played

890
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: it serious last week, and it's very funny how many

891
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: people would walk up to me and I would you know,

892
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: I have the biggest song on their station this week,

893
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: and like, I love your wife and like me too.

894
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: She's great. But I mean, I know that's kind of

895
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: that's part of the territory, and that's fine with me.

896
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: Like I have, I'm very comfortable with that. Like that's

897
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: are you because again I don't bring it up out

898
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: of respect. That's nice of you until you brought it

899
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: up last time, and I said, Okay, well you want

900
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: to bring it up, I'll kind of follow it a bit.

901
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: It's my life, man, I don't want. I didn't want

902
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: with that one specific song for people to think that

903
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: I was using our wedding to somehow profit like musically like.

904
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 1: But it was a really cool moment and it was honest,

905
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: and it was something that like I knew she would

906
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: be okay with me sharing with people. And that's like

907
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: we have been really like open about being together, and

908
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: we put like not everything about our life on the internet,

909
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: but we quite a bit out there. Like we've navigated

910
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: a lot too that maybe we don't want to put

911
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: out there. But it's something that I'm like way off

912
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: to Mike. Sorry, Mike. It's something that I'm totally comfortable

913
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: with talking about. And honestly, it's it'd be weirder for

914
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: me to not talk about it, just because it'd be

915
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: like it's all like, is it like a weird elephant

916
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: in the room, how successful Marin is. No, it's something

917
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: that's really cool and it's been awesome, and it's like

918
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: our life is this weird world where we're both involved

919
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: in both very successful on music row and her as

920
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: an artist in me as a new artist and a

921
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: pretty successful songwriter, Like, I don't know, that's it. It's

922
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: not something that I am in any way annoyed by

923
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: or that's something that I honestly, I have a lot

924
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: of fun. We have a lot of fun with her

925
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: career and she has a lot of fun with mine,

926
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: And it's it's not something that I'm I don't want

927
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: to talk about. I would love to talk about Marin.

928
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: So it's nice of you to think that, and then

929
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: I know why you think that, But it's also not

930
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: something that I I don't want to talk about. I

931
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: love talking about it. So what's happening with you? Say?

932
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: People ask you all the time. For me, I don't

933
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: ever ask about albums because I don't really care about albums,

934
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: Like I just like product. Well, give me the weed,

935
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I don't know, man, it

936
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: was this has been a really weird year. I mean

937
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: some like changes to my team and mostly just so

938
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: Mary and I could work with the same manager. Um

939
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: so that I mean, our our lives are nuts. In

940
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: her life is absolutely crazy, and managing two calendars with

941
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: two teams is impossible. So when they're both doing the

942
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: same thing and we need to see each other. And

943
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: so I've had to reset a little bit, but not

944
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: just as an artist, as a person. And so part

945
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: of that was like Sony coming back to me and

946
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: being like, we put out these four songs, we did

947
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: our took our first shot at radio, and you know,

948
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: when we reset my team, it was like they wanted

949
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: to just reset everything. So they pulled my single and

950
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: that was hard. It was really hard. What song was that?

951
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: It's called loving a bar and um loving book. Yeah. Yeah,

952
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: and I'd say you're just right right pretty perfect, but

953
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: like you have to like wail it so like you

954
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: have to barely like get to the notes. That's the job. Uh,

955
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I kind of went back and

956
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: they said, write more songs. And that's what I'm comfortable doing.

957
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: And what I love doing is like creating. And I

958
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: came here to make records. I came here to I

959
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: came to Sony too put music out and they can

960
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: put out music better than I can. And it's just

961
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: been a real like a cool learning experience. And so

962
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: when I said, like, I have got these songs that

963
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: I'm really starting to believe in and we weren't even

964
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:44,479
Speaker 1: talking about Diamonds, and I had the Luke song come across. That's,

965
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: by the way, you have you wrote Sunrise Sunburned Sunset

966
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 1: for Luke. Yeah, which, by the way, when you played

967
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: it on Idol, I was there. It was the first

968
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: time that I had heard that it was going to

969
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: be the single, like officially, and I was like, oh,

970
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: that's awesome for Ryan. I know these guys, don't you know?

971
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: Thank you? It is very cool for me. And uh,

972
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: I've stayed relevant as a writer with Lady on a

973
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: Bellum and You Look Good and now with this song

974
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: this year, and I've had songs with so many artists,

975
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: I'm still getting cuts with other artists, which is blown,

976
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: like really amazing to me because I don't write quite

977
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: as much as I used to, and I'm keeping a

978
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: lot of those things like reserved for me and all

979
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: on hold for me. So getting more cuts is cool.

980
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: But like I had that song, I had Diamonds, and

981
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: I walked into Sony and told Taylor. I was like,

982
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: you need to make a decision right now about these

983
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: two songs because this song is on hold for Luke Bryan,

984
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: and I think this song is a hit, and I'm

985
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: gonna want to put it out, if not as part

986
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: of the project that I think I'm gonna want to

987
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: put this out as a wedding song. And it feels

988
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: good to be right on those two things, like like

989
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: Luke was not gonna let go of it, and he

990
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: cut it immediately and put it like kind of committed

991
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: to it and really supported it. And he fought to

992
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: get that song on the radio. And so then I'm

993
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: in this spot with my label where you know, we've

994
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: kind of slugged through the first part of what we

995
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: hoped would be a super successful launch and it didn't

996
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: work out quite the way we wanted. And I toured

997
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: so much but only on four songs. So I'm doing

998
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: thirty and sometimes forty five minutes a night and most

999
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: people don't know these songs. And got pretty burnt. And

1000
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: then I just went and wrote, and that was really

1001
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: a cool time. And I wrote with the people that

1002
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: I really wanted to write with, and mostly with this

1003
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: guy that produces my stuff named Aaron Shist who we

1004
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: grew up together and he's a writer for Shane mcinally

1005
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: and uh he wrote. We just started writing songs and

1006
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: went back to the label and Taylor Lindsay's like, you know,

1007
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: you don't have to do this, but the feeling that

1008
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: I'm getting and if she says, if the label says

1009
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: the feeling I'm getting from the office, means it's been

1010
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: said enough for her to come tell me. And she's like,

1011
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: they think it would go a long way if you

1012
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: found like a more experienced producer to either work with

1013
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: or uh partner with Aaron And I was like, Okay,

1014
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 1: well what I mean that I love what we do together.

1015
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: I'm not saying we're we've figured it out, but like

1016
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: what do you want to do? And I kind of

1017
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: came up with the idea of working with Shane mcinally

1018
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: and that chain is really busy and he wanted to

1019
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: do it, he just didn't quite have the time when

1020
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: we needed him to do it. And then Aaron like

1021
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: we ended up reaching out to Dan Huff to record

1022
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: some music for me, and Dan's done. He's like kind

1023
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: of the most successful producer in Nashville that we've maybe

1024
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: ever had. Um he did like recently like all the

1025
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: Cane Brown stuff and all the Brett Young stuff, and

1026
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: he's just an amazing, amazing guy. Really brings out the

1027
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: best and artists, and it took a long time to

1028
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: kind of get him nailed down and get the amount

1029
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: of songs we could do. But in the meantime, we

1030
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 1: had this Diamonds Are Twine song and I just said, suddenly,

1031
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: I don't need you to I'll pay for it, and

1032
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: I don't need you to take this to the radio.

1033
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: Just I would love for you to release this for me.

1034
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: Just put it out, and you don't have to do

1035
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: anything else. Just put it out and me and Janet,

1036
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: who's our manager, can like figure out what to do

1037
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: with it. And we went to the Highway and they're like, sure,

1038
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: we'd love to really like have a moment where we

1039
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: could talk about So I went into Stormies studio, the

1040
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: Highway Studio, and two days before a wedding, said I'm

1041
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: putting this song out tomorrow. It's the song that I

1042
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: played for Marion when we got engaged a year ago.

1043
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: I guess it's July one. We got engaged July three,

1044
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: so it's kind of cool that it's number one this

1045
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: week over there. And I put this song out and

1046
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: people immediately responded, and then you jumped on it and

1047
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: blew it up. And that was super validating. But in

1048
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 1: the meantime, we've had this kind of project that we've

1049
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: been building with Aaron and Dan Huff, which is kind

1050
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: of why when people like you are like, why aren't

1051
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: you taking this to terrestrial radio, It's like, well, it's

1052
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: not like we don't want to, or like I don't

1053
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: want to like take a hit that I have, even

1054
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: if it's not the hit I imagine, I don't. I

1055
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: don't think that generally you should just say, like, we're

1056
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 1: going to ignore all of this research. But the fact

1057
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: is there's so much new stuff that we're doing that

1058
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: people are I'm I've never gotten to be this the

1059
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: artist that I'm becoming now, and I feel like Diamonds

1060
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: is a great song, but it's a moment and I

1061
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: don't think it's a song I want to. It's not

1062
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: about exploiting my marriage or whatever. It's just I feel

1063
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: like I've said that and it's gotten to enough people

1064
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: and people will continue to discover it and continue to

1065
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: use it as their first dance and stuff. But now

1066
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 1: it's like I get to release two more songs and

1067
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: that's more. What it's about for me is like you said,

1068
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: it's about putting contents out there. I'm truly not interested

1069
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 1: in picking a single and running it up the terrestrial charts,

1070
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: Like that's not the thing that makes me. I want

1071
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: to do it, and we will pick us angle and

1072
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: we will run with it. But I'm more excited about

1073
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: just I'm putting a package out there that I believe

1074
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: in and it's just two songs, but it tells the

1075
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 1: whole story, and it's I talk about all the time

1076
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: and maybe you can and like relate to this. But

1077
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: being in the tunnel, I'm like, there's this analogy people use.

1078
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: I can see the light at the end of the tunnel,

1079
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: and it's like I'm almost through whatever this is, and

1080
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: I can't see the light at the end of the tunnel,

1081
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: But I'm in the tunnel, right. I am in I

1082
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: have a vision for what I want to do, and

1083
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: I have the right people around me that really believe in,

1084
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: like in my music and my writing, in in the

1085
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: fact that they like I. I just am finally getting

1086
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: a sense of who I am and who I can

1087
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: be as an artist. And it's sometimes it's as simple

1088
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: as walking into Randy Goodman's office and being like, I

1089
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: think I can be like Dirk Spentley. I think I

1090
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: can do drunk on a plane, and I think I

1091
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: can do say you do, and I think I can

1092
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: do I'll be the Moon. I obviously wrote that song,

1093
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: but like that when you put like when you can

1094
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: see the creative stuff and you can see like you know,

1095
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: like we've already partnered with Corona and Bows and like

1096
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,720
Speaker 1: these really cool ways to like just make things happen.

1097
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: And that's we don't even have a song on the radio.

1098
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: And then you like think about like going on tour

1099
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: and you can see the set list. But then when

1100
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: you can walk into the record companies all us and

1101
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: be like, this is the thing that we're seeing and

1102
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: you can't quite see it the way we can, and

1103
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: that's fine, but I want to be like this guy

1104
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: and you can point at it and they can totally

1105
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: it all kind of comes together in their mind a

1106
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: little bit. And that's what I've been doing for six months,

1107
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 1: is like being you know, a better dude, a husband,

1108
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: a songwriter. And now I feel like, for the first time,

1109
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: really an artist, like I don't I used to say

1110
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm a songwriter on stage, and I don't say that anymore,

1111
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: Like I don't that's part of what I do. But

1112
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: now for the first time, I feel like, okay, like

1113
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 1: I can see what who I am, not just as

1114
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: the dude in the room, like being brooded, like a

1115
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: brooding songwriter who's always like just whatever, trying to get

1116
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: his feelings out. It's like, no, I can. I think

1117
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: I can entertain people, and I can make compelling art,

1118
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: and I think I can do it in a commercial way.

1119
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: And that's when I think all the things start to

1120
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: come together. And I've had to really wait and like

1121
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: learn how to I'm not a not a patient dude.

1122
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: Nobody is in this business, and every artist that's ever

1123
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: watching here is said like I'm ready to go, and

1124
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: the labels like you're probably not. Well, this is the

1125
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: first time, Like this is the first time. I don't

1126
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: know if I'm ready to go, but I just feel

1127
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: like I have an identity and I feel like I'm

1128
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: about to have an identity and I feel like the

1129
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: songs we release people are going to go. I get

1130
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 1: it and sonically it's stuff that I never thought i'd

1131
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: get to do. And sometimes your job is to wait,

1132
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: and that was a real the hard lesson for me

1133
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: to learn, and sometimes even when you think it's going

1134
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: to be done. And I thought we were going to

1135
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: record February nine, when we recorded May ten. I got

1136
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: my final mixes back from these two songs a month

1137
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: and a half later. That's a long time to wait

1138
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: when you're just kind of looking around me and like,

1139
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: when when do I get my next shot? And I

1140
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: am I mean, I was sitting with Randy Goodman from

1141
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 1: Sony on Friday afternoon and he was like, I know

1142
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: you're frustrated. He's like, I'm frustrated. I've been in this

1143
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: business for forty years. It's a frustrating business. It's I'm

1144
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: always frustrated. And it's like, well, that's part of it.

1145
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: But I'm not frustrated. I'm excited. And that's like you can't.

1146
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 1: There's a lot of reasons to be excited right now.

1147
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: I think with our genre and with my stuff and

1148
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: with like Mare and making her like we're literally going

1149
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: through the same thing together for the first time where

1150
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: it's we're both in the middle of creating art. She's

1151
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 1: making her second album, and I get to be a

1152
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: part of that, and I get to have time to

1153
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: like go on the road with her while I mean

1154
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: this like hurry up and wait mode, and then you know,

1155
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,919
Speaker 1: like playing music for them and then being like, man,

1156
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is it or not, but

1157
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: you know, at least I get to sit there and

1158
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 1: can convince them that even if this isn't the one thing,

1159
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: you think, you can break the fact that they want

1160
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: to put it out and the fact they want me

1161
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 1: to go back in and keep trying. It's like, that's

1162
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: all I really need as a creative person is the outlet. Right,

1163
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:39,439
Speaker 1: Like I've had a number one song and a bunch

1164
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: of out at seven or eight radio singles, and I've

1165
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: had the one that kind of gets towards the top,

1166
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: but everybody has to have their top five. It doesn't

1167
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: go number one. That's like a write of passage. And

1168
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: then I have this other single, but like this is

1169
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 1: a I don't know, just having the outlet to be

1170
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: creative and know that like I'm gonna get to put

1171
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: out more stuf up and I'm gonna get my opportunity

1172
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: to win fans. And I think the more that I

1173
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: get to and the more people see like the things

1174
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: that I've been up to, whatever the timing is, It's like, man,

1175
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: that is a that is a blessed place to be

1176
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: and that's kind of been my my six months is

1177
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: a little like learning how to wait, being a better do,

1178
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: learning how to be a good husband, which I'm not

1179
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: every day like it's been. There have been really difficult

1180
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: things to like learn how to do. When you just

1181
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,919
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. It's you're trying to make

1182
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: two two people, like constantly driving down the same road

1183
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: and it's always one person wanting to go left, one

1184
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: person wanting to go right, and trying to figure out

1185
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: navigate that all the time. But Marin's record is amazing,

1186
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: and I'm really excited about what I'm getting to do.

1187
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: And for the first time, I feel like I have

1188
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: an identity and a lot of excitement. And You've let me,

1189
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: You've let me talk for a long time about this,

1190
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: but I really do appreciate it. It's because this is

1191
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: the stuff that we sit on our back porch and

1192
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: talk about, is like, you know, how is this gonna work?

1193
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: And how am I gonna When am I going to

1194
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: get my shot? But I have my shot and I'm

1195
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 1: beyond just a record company. It's like we've we've we've

1196
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: made it happen in a cool way, and it's just

1197
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: a really it's been a fun, a fun year. I

1198
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: think we've grown a lot and I have grown a lot,

1199
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: and it's just yeah, thanks for letting me talk so

1200
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: much about it. And with that a little diamonds of twine,

1201
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: everybody here on the this is really special man that

1202
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: I can't believe that disconnected like it did. But it's

1203
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: really special to me. Thank you for supporting it. I mean,

1204
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: I know it's frustrating to like run with it on

1205
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: your show and then not have everybody else throw it

1206
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: on the radio so you can continue to support it.

1207
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, I don't get frustrating when people

1208
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: don't do the thing. If I did, I would be

1209
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: fuguting all the time because most things I do people

1210
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: don't run with. Yeah, I just do whatever I feel

1211
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: I want to do, and what's what I think is

1212
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: from my perspective, the best. That's the true. I mean,

1213
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: who knows who the best is. We don't have our

1214
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: different bests. But yeah, no, I don't get frustrated. I

1215
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: just go all I can do is the best version

1216
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: of me. And I'm like, you know what I'm really feeling?

1217
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: This song here it is and a lot of times

1218
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: people have jumped on board and they've been massive hits

1219
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: and careers and most of but most times they haven't.

1220
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: And I still go, you know what, But I was

1221
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: honest with myself. I loved that the end. What's the extra?

1222
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: What's not? So it's good. I'm good. I still like

1223
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: that song. I still probably play it. That's awesome And

1224
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: I love that song too. I didn't listen to it

1225
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: after we turned it in, like that's enough. And then

1226
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: I heard a couple of times on the radio and

1227
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: heard it on your show, and it was like, the

1228
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: song sounds pretty good on the radio. Look at that.

1229
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: I can say, well, listen, we've we've said it all,

1230
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: like Ryan heard, whatever does my one nine from one

1231
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: of the first episodes, the episode one nine thank you

1232
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: for having me again? Episodes between I'll be here and

1233
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: what is that? Yeah? Yeah, I we'll see about the

1234
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: quarter century mark, yeah, pencilmania, yeah yeah. The good to

1235
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: seeing my friend and well we'll see you guys next

1236
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: time here on the Bobby Cast. Goodbye, everybody. M