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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Crush City Territory presented by Fox One. I'm

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Speaker 2: Chandler Room, joined by Tyler Stafford and Josh Reddick.

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 2: Since the last time we talked, we finally have a

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Speaker 2: little bit of clarity on the future of the Houston Astros.

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Speaker 2: Both Dana Brown and Joe Aspata will return for the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty sixth season, which I think had been hinted

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Speaker 2: at by their public comments. But trust me when I

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Speaker 2: tell you there were no assurances given. No one really

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Speaker 2: in the front office, no one within the building really

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Speaker 2: kind of knew for sure what this was going to

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Speaker 2: look like until you know, I believe it was Tuesday

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Speaker 2: when whoever wanted it out there got it out there

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Speaker 2: that both of these guys will be back. Clearing up

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Speaker 2: One interesting thing that I did find out in reporting,

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Speaker 2: Dana Brown did not have a club option on his contract.

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Speaker 2: His contract just was guaranteed running through twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 2: so the club option part of it was not accurate

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Speaker 2: that they were weighing on whether to pick up a

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Speaker 2: club option. Joe Aspata, as was known, his contract runs

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Speaker 2: through twenty twenty six, so there is a little bit

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Speaker 2: of uncertainty, just given that both of these guys are

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Speaker 2: quite frankly entering this season as Lane Ducks. They've got

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Speaker 2: one more year left on their contracts, and then there's

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Speaker 2: a lockout supposedly happening in twenty twenty seven. I will

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Speaker 2: see how that goes. But I think for continuity wise,

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Speaker 2: for continuity sake, and you know, we talked about this,

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Speaker 2: guys like, I don't think either of these guys was

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Speaker 2: responsible for You couldn't hold them accountable for the Astors

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Speaker 2: missing the playoffs in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: But still one of those.

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Speaker 2: Things with Jim Crane, you never know how it's going

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Speaker 2: to end up. But I think it was for continuity

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Speaker 2: instability wise, the right move.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent agree. I mean, like we talked about,

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Speaker 3: I don't think there was any glaring issues that you

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Speaker 3: Are definitely the manager's fault. You know, they missed the

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Speaker 3: playoffs by one game, and uh, and like we said that,

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Speaker 3: the difference is like if you were if you were

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Speaker 3: going to blow it up and try something different next year,

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Speaker 3: you know, then it could make sense to bring in

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Speaker 3: new leadership. But I mean, the Astros are essentially just

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Speaker 3: trying to run it back with a few, you know,

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Speaker 3: minor pieces that they're you know, they're they're not changing

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Speaker 3: the core of the team or anything like that. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: it makes a lot of sense to to bring those

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Speaker 3: guys back. The one year left is certainly interesting for

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Speaker 3: both of those guys. I mean, as the documentary Moneyball

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Speaker 3: taught me, Philip Seymour, Hoffman wouldn't manage a team with

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Speaker 3: just one year left. So yeah, I know, best best

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Speaker 3: American actor of all time. He's he's incredible. But uh yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's that's what that taught me. So that's interesting. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: it makes a lot of sense to to bring those

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Speaker 3: two guys back. For sure.

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 4: I mean I've I've been Joe's one of Joe's supporters

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Speaker 4: since the beginning.

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Speaker 5: I mean, like I said, he's always known how to

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Speaker 4: He just jumped right in and knew how to run

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Speaker 4: that team. But when you look back at he made

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Speaker 4: one get missed playoffs by one game with a team

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Speaker 4: that probably shouldn't even been that close with what they

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Speaker 4: went through. But as far as like extensions and one

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Speaker 4: year contracts, like you see it all the time, like

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Speaker 4: managers and general managers always get like those weird extensions,

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Speaker 4: and like July, they start off a hot and then

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Speaker 4: all of a sudden, they've got a three year extension

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Speaker 4: added to their name on a Monday, So like off

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Speaker 5: Really play in for those guys.

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Speaker 4: So like if j and Jordan, those guys come out hot,

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Speaker 4: you know they could add on another year or two

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Speaker 4: that is well, but you got to get those guys credit.

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Speaker 5: I mean, what they did and what they had was

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Speaker 4: Obviously you wanted to make the playoffs when you didn't,

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Speaker 4: but when you look at it, you know they they

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Speaker 5: Division by eight games. You think when when you look

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Speaker 2: Now, yeah, And I think the one thing that maybe

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Speaker 2: they just presume that the Astros are going to run

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Speaker 1: That is not the case. I can I can.

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Speaker 2: Tell you on authority that that there will be changes,

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Speaker 2: and we've talked about it for the like since their

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Speaker 2: there will be changes here. What they are, I'm not

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Speaker 2: So you may see some stuff start to pop here

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Speaker 2: in the next week or so. But again, I don't

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Speaker 1: But rest assured there will be changes here, Josh.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to put you on the spot, but

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Speaker 2: as you kind of look at this, like where, where

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Speaker 2: if you're Joe a spot of what what after this

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Speaker 2: would you be looking to change or to retool, reimagine

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Speaker 5: Oh man, that just.

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Speaker 4: Put me on the spot challenge. I think, luckily I

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Speaker 5: And I think that's whether that's you know, players.

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Speaker 4: Getting after, a training staff, getting after a stream coach, whatever.

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Speaker 5: I'm not calling.

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Speaker 4: Anybody out, which I never will because you never know

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Speaker 4: what it's coming from. So at that point, there's got

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Speaker 4: I know we've had plenty of listeners and followers and

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Speaker 5: We can't talk about how many times they've.

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Speaker 5: But you know, I like these guys.

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Speaker 4: These guys have been through the ringer of everything from

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Speaker 5: You know, once these guys walk up into that batter's box.

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Speaker 4: They're completely on their own, and these guys do a

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Speaker 4: fantastic job. They have a great split when they're in

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Speaker 5: To everything, and I think those guys are fantastic.

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Speaker 4: If I see one of those two guys, if both

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Speaker 4: But you know, once this world series gets over, you

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Speaker 2: And let's also let's also make it as to where

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Speaker 2: Like Alex Centron has interviewed for bench coach jobs a

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that actually happened, And I don't

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Speaker 2: Worle just kind of shows you where these guys sit

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Speaker 1: The lineup did not perform.

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Speaker 2: That, whether it's fair or not, does sometimes fall back

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Speaker 1: But just bear in mind that these guys are well

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Speaker 2: Chance that these guys could be up for jobs. You know,

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Speaker 2: there's eight managerial openings right now. All of those eight

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Speaker 1: You never know.

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Speaker 2: But Tyler, are you in agreement with Josh kind of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think like we've talked about all year,

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Speaker 3: Obviously Christian Walker was the biggest of that. But I

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Speaker 3: So you know, something's gonna happen and we'll we'll see

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Speaker 2: And it could be a situation honestly where like they

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Speaker 2: Like they could change their processes, but they're not going

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Speaker 2: not be as simple as you know, just getting names

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Speaker 2: That that could happen. But they could also, just like

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Speaker 2: James Clip talked about a couple of years ago, just

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Speaker 1: So rest assured there will.

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Speaker 2: Be changes, even if maybe it's not in the traditional

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Speaker 2: this guy's not coming back. Like, changes will happen, And look,

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Speaker 2: Behoove them to the non tender. Tender deadline is November

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Speaker 5: hold on to.

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Speaker 4: But look at that list, I think I counted maybe

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Speaker 4: nine guys that are probably definitely gonna stick around, So

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's gonna be and those aren't even certain,

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Speaker 4: Like you're looking at maybe like six that are one

445
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Speaker 4: hundred percent in obviously, like Yainer is probably coming back

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Speaker 4: barring some crazy trade. I mean East sauc he's coming back,

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Speaker 4: so you gotta just you see the riding on the wall.

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Speaker 4: And like you said, with Luis Garcia, this is a

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Speaker 4: business and that's where it absolutely sucks because they're gonna

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Speaker 4: look at it, this guy.

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Speaker 5: Can't help my team anymore, and regardless of how long.

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Speaker 4: He's been in this organization, we've got to do this

453
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Speaker 4: and and that. That's the crappy part of the business.

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Speaker 4: But it's like I said, it's gonna be pulling this

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Speaker 4: world series ends. But when you look at it down

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Speaker 4: down and break everything done, I think you buy is.

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Speaker 5: The obvious choice to keep around. Like you said, Chamler,

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Speaker 5: Jerry Penney has been hurt eating a little bit, so.

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Speaker 4: He's definitely gonna be that guy that picks him up

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Speaker 4: with always and he's been there.

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Speaker 5: He's a viben guy, like I said, he's also a

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Speaker 5: clubhouse guy.

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Speaker 4: So it just makes more sense when you have a

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Speaker 4: guy that's that comfortable and everybody already knows he just

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Speaker 4: makes that much more sense.

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Speaker 3: And somebody will give Luis Garcia one of those two

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Speaker 3: year deals where they're just paying him to rehab this

468
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Speaker 3: year and then see what happens the next year, and

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Speaker 3: maybe you get lucky and you're you get a good

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Speaker 3: player essentially for free. You know he's going to get

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Speaker 3: something somewhere. But yeah, I mean, his team control ends

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Speaker 3: after this season and he's not going to pitch next season,

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Speaker 3: so there's no way that he's coming back.

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Speaker 2: In hell, that team could be the ass because like it,

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Speaker 2: nothing precludes them from you know, non tendering him or

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Speaker 2: passing him through waivers. And he's a free agent, they

477
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Speaker 2: can go re sign him as a free agent. But again,

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Speaker 2: it would have to be one of those you can

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Speaker 2: do a creative contract where like the first year is

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Speaker 2: a minor league deal and then it converts to a

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Speaker 2: big league deal the second. There's some interesting contract structures

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Speaker 2: they could have, but that's beside the point. What also

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Speaker 2: wouldn't preclude them from and I wrote this a little

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Speaker 2: bit in the story I wrote this morning, like they

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Speaker 2: could like November twenty first is just the deadline where

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Speaker 2: they have to tender or non ender these guys.

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Speaker 1: And the tendering is like giving them a contract offer that's.

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Speaker 2: Nothing about the money yet exchanging figures and the salary

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Speaker 2: figures that comes in late December early January. The November

490
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Speaker 2: deadline is just do we want to offer you a

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Speaker 2: contract back.

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Speaker 1: And there are.

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Speaker 2: Situations where like the Astros could have trade conversations about

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Speaker 2: some of these guys up until November twenty first, and

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Speaker 2: if they don't find in the package they want or

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Speaker 2: if like the appeals just not there yet, are there's

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Speaker 2: some teams that are still kind of wary as to

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Speaker 2: what they need. The actors can still tender these guys'

499
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Speaker 2: contracts and then still trade them later in the offseason.

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Speaker 2: They can take them through the arbitration process. So like

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Speaker 2: November twenty first is not this like drop dead date

502
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Speaker 2: of like they have to make decisions by then, So

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Speaker 2: you could see some different ways of doing things. Just

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Speaker 2: because they tender a guy a contract on November twenty

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Speaker 2: first does not mean he would be a necessarily mean

506
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Speaker 2: he'll be a part of the team. It's just one

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Speaker 2: of those weird, you know, arbitrary dates in baseball that

508
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Speaker 2: you got to get stuff done.

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Speaker 1: Josh, did you ever go to an arbitration hearing?

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Speaker 5: I did not. I came probably close.

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Speaker 4: I think it was my second year to go in one,

512
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Speaker 4: maybe like three days before go I actually know it

513
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Speaker 4: had to go to Florida from Arizona. But I remember

514
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Speaker 4: being at I think it was at lunch one day

515
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Speaker 4: and I got a guy my agent was with me actually,

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Speaker 4: and we actually got the call and got the money

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Speaker 4: we wanted, So almost but not quite.

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Speaker 2: But did you get to like, I mean, I'm sure

519
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Speaker 2: your agent Phil Jim, but did like you get to

520
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Speaker 2: hear any of the negotiations between back and forth between

521
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Speaker 2: the team and your agent about what they were saying

522
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Speaker 2: about money, any of any of that stuff, because that

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Speaker 2: it is something that I think fascinates a lot of fans,

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Speaker 2: just kind of how this process plays out when a

525
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Speaker 2: team has to, like you said, like tell you, hey,

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Speaker 2: like we like you, but you didn't do this well,

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Speaker 2: so we're not gonna we don't want to pay you

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Speaker 2: ask that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I specifically remember I think it was fourteen,

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Speaker 4: would have been my first year, and I had plenty

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Speaker 4: of conversations about playing through Excuse me, I had a

532
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Speaker 4: risk injury that you actually ran to the fence in

533
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Speaker 4: Houston in like the second week of the season and

534
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Speaker 4: really injured my wrist and I played through it for

535
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Speaker 4: probably three months, paying it affected my hitting blah blah blah,

536
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Speaker 4: and then I went in too arbitration and they tried

537
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Speaker 4: to tell me that because my defense my numbers were down,

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Speaker 4: that they were gonna pay me enough.

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Speaker 5: And defense didn't matter in arbitration.

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Speaker 4: When literally I was begged by Billy to keep playing

541
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Speaker 4: every day just because of my defense. He's like, we

542
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 4: can get bye without you hitting all these home runs,

543
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Speaker 4: but we want you in the right field so they

544
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Speaker 4: can tell you one thing in May and June and

545
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Speaker 4: not get a crap about you.

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Speaker 5: In December, all was around. So like I said, it

547
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Speaker 5: was very angering. So yeah, you definitely. My ages were

548
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Speaker 5: very open with what they told, what they said about me.

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Speaker 4: And wanted me to know everything the way I could

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Speaker 4: get a full judgment of how the process worked.

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Speaker 1: It's a cruel business.

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Speaker 2: It can be a very cruel business sometimes a business

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Speaker 2: that doesn't necessarily value the person it's It can be

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Speaker 2: and arbitration is the it's the slimy underbelly of it's

556
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Speaker 2: a necessary evil and the slimy underbelly of baseball sometimes,

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Speaker 2: and the astros will be very very.

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Speaker 1: Involved in that.

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Speaker 2: Like we mentioned earlier, essach Paratus is probably the most

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Speaker 2: fascinating case in this arbitration, in this group of arbitration

596
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Speaker 2: eligible players, and the off season really MLB trade rumors

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Speaker 2: projects that Paradis will make nine point three million dollars

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Speaker 2: in in arbitration.

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Speaker 3: He is.

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Speaker 2: He's a Super two guy, so he's arbitration eligible for

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Speaker 2: four years. So this will be his third time going

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Speaker 2: through the arbitration process. He'll go through it a fourth

603
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Speaker 2: time next winter, if there even is a winter, who knows.

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Speaker 2: With the lockout or the potential lockout work stoppage.

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Speaker 1: Who knows.

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Speaker 2: But just because he's estimated to make nine point three million.

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Speaker 2: You know, these things can be over under. I would

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Speaker 2: imagine they are going to try to flirt with a

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Speaker 2: ten million dollar salary for you, Sock Greatest, given everything

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Speaker 2: he did. You know, we've had this discussion. It's been

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Speaker 2: kind of the discussion we've had throughout since the season ended.

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Speaker 2: They have an infield logjam Escock Paradis has.

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Speaker 1: No place to play as we speak.

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Speaker 2: You look at him, he's been traded enough now he's

615
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Speaker 2: been traded three times. His his profile is coveted by

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Speaker 2: other teams. There are other teams that very much like

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Speaker 2: what he does. You put him in the right ballpark,

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Speaker 2: you can see what his pole power does in the

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Speaker 2: right in the right environment. You start to think about

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Speaker 2: what they could do with him next year. Obviously, you know,

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Speaker 2: no one really thinks he can handle second base.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm, That's what I was gonna say. And there's

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Speaker 3: a there's a short porch over there that that he

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Speaker 3: might enjoy.

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Speaker 2: But it's it's gonna be Look, Estock parades is not

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Speaker 2: getting non tendered. Obviously they're going to. They're going to

627
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Speaker 2: they want him on the team, But if it comes

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Speaker 2: to a payroll decision and they've got to get rid

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Speaker 2: of some money. You do have to look at the

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Speaker 2: convenient narrative has been, oh, just trade Christian Walker, Like,

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's got he's got two years, forty million

632
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Speaker 2: dollars left, opens up first base. Paradis can play first base.

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Speaker 1: Problem solved.

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Speaker 2: The problem is I don't see many teams out there

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Speaker 2: they're going to absorb all two years and forty million

636
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Speaker 2: dollars left on Christian Walker's deal. You wonder what it

637
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Speaker 2: make more sense fiscally if you need to trim payroll,

638
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Speaker 2: if you need to get payroll to a more controllable

639
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Speaker 2: point to where you can go make the team better

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Speaker 2: in other areas, would Paradis probably be the more fiscally

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Speaker 2: same person to move because you can move a ten

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Speaker 2: million like they have to take on the entire ten

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Speaker 2: million dollar salary or whatever salary's gonna get an arbitration.

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Speaker 2: That's not the case with Walker. So just another layer

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Speaker 2: to this. But I think what they do with Paradus

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Speaker 2: and turn out two V really do they want all

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Speaker 2: two V at second base at all? If not, then

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Speaker 2: it really kind of furthers the discussion. Like I think

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Speaker 2: what they do with Paradus is a really really going

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Speaker 2: to be a fascinating part of this offseason, especially when

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Speaker 2: you look at from a money standpoint.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't care about the money part. I need

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Speaker 3: parades Bat in the lineup somewhere. I mean, you saw

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Speaker 3: what the Astros lineup looked like last year without him.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he is, outside of Jordan, really the only

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Speaker 3: hitter that you can rely on to put up consistently

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Speaker 3: good you know, professional trademarked at bats. So yeah, I

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Speaker 3: mean he needs to be in the Astras line. They

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Speaker 3: got to find a place to play him, and they

660
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 3: can get creative and whatever ways they need to. But

661
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 3: you know, whether that is finding a way to move

662
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 3: Walker and you know, maybe eating some of that salary

663
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 3: and you know, extending Pardes where you're saying, Okay, we're

664
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 3: not gonna have Walker, but we're gonna lock this guy

665
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 3: up for five years and he'll be the first you

666
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 3: know whatever. I don't I don't care what they do.

667
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 3: But there there's really I just I do not want

668
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 3: to see a team that gives up on Pardes and

669
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 3: keeps Walker. And really because because the other thing is

670
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 3: like there's no other there's no other hole in the

671
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 3: roster right now to add a bat right, Like, there's

672
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 3: not like, oh, they've got two open outfield positions and

673
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 3: you can put in whoever they've got, you know, a

674
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 3: whole somewhere. I mean, I guess a catcher, you could.

675
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: You could make the argument there that there's gonna be

676
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 3: you know, some opportunities there. But the lineup is gonna

677
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: look very similar to what it did last year. And

678
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 3: the lineup without Eastock Parades last year was a atrocious

679
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 3: to watch.

680
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 5: Uh.

681
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 3: And so if that's the line up they're planning on

682
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 3: running out, and I think it is, I want to

683
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 3: see Brady's in it.

684
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: Josh, I'm with you.

685
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 4: I'm with if you can find a suitor for Christian Walker,

686
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 4: then I I agree on keeping a guy like Paride

687
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 4: in your in your lineup. The question is an American

688
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 4: League team is probably not gonna touch Christian Walker. My

689
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 4: man loves the NLS, That's where he came up. You know,

690
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 4: there's really nothing there for him, unless you know, the

691
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 4: Rockies aren't taking on money. The Giants are pretty much

692
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 4: covered there for a very long time. So I don't know,

693
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 4: I don't know where you're gonna find a suitor for

694
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 4: a guy like that, But yeah, I mean I'm not

695
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 4: like Tyler. You got to care about spending money because

696
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 4: owners are owners, and you know, if we.

697
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 5: Could all just flown in to be great. But other

698
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 5: than what you if you don't if you guys think gosh,

699
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 5: you have to keep both of them, Like what do

700
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 5: you do you don't find an option for either one?

701
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 5: Like what do you do?

702
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 4: You bup karated the outfield he's only one capability. But no,

703
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 4: I mean I have to come down with something to

704
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 4: where Karates can get you a pretty good haul back

705
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 4: if if you need it.

706
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 5: But I'm just glad we're not. I'm not.

707
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 4: I'm glad I'm not Dana Brown having to make those

708
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 4: kind of moves and sit at night going wondering what

709
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 4: the heck I want to do with either one of

710
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 4: these guys.

711
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's ten million, it's not thirty. You know,

712
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: it's not like that. That's what I mean by the money,

713
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 3: And you know it's it is a perfectly reasonable amount

714
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 3: of money to pay eastac parades. And again, they don't

715
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 3: have another whole outside of the rotation where you're looking

716
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 3: to drop fifty sixty million dollars on free agents this year?

717
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 3: You know you're gonna You're gonna sign two veteran pictures

718
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 3: in the in the star rotation, and you're gonna shore

719
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 3: up the rest of your team with guys like you

720
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 3: did this year where it's you know, Waiver Claims or

721
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 3: you know, like Taylor Tremmel, like it's those that You're

722
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 3: not going out and signing a twenty five million dollar

723
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 3: free agent this year, so you're gonna have to spend

724
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 3: that money anyway. And I mean, ten million dollars for

725
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 3: parades is nothing. And so again, you know, I'm aware

726
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: that positionally there's not a lot of flexibility here. But look,

727
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 3: we've been watching al Tuo Bay play second base. You

728
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 3: know it's fine, well you'll figure it out. Just throw

729
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 3: them out there and see what happens. You know, if

730
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 3: it's that bad, you can figure it out later. But

731
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: that bat needs to be in the lineup somewhere.

732
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I do think like if they tell Paradus

733
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: like next week or whatever, I don't know, like if

734
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 2: they tell them next week, like hey, you're playing second

735
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: base for us next year, like you got a whole winter,

736
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: or like figure it out, like I think that would help.

737
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 2: I think, certainly, like getting into spring training after a

738
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: winter's worth of work at second base, maybe they could

739
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: turn him into something serviceable. I don't they're not asking

740
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: him to be Tell Marte or like someone.

741
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 3: You also have gold glovers at literally every other position

742
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 3: on the infield, so it's not like.

743
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: You're if you trade Christian Walker, no you don't.

744
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 3: Well, I'm saying even if you don't do that, even

745
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 3: if even if you say, all right, Pardies, you have

746
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 3: to learn second base, Like, yeah, the range is going

747
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 3: to be an issue, but he can stop everything that

748
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: gets there. He obviously can field the position, and you've

749
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 3: got guys with phenomenal range in Jeremy Panya and Christian

750
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 3: Walker next to him, to where you you don't need

751
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 3: him to cover as much ground as if you didn't

752
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 3: have those guys there, So you know it. I'm aware

753
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 3: that that is not the idea situation to put Pardes

754
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 3: at second base, clearly, but the Astros are in a

755
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 3: unique position where they literally have three gold glovers in

756
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 3: the infield, so they don't need him to cover a

757
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 3: substantial amount of ground, and honestly can't. He can't be

758
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 3: covering less ground than what Altuve has been doing, you know,

759
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 3: like he it can't be worse than that, and they've

760
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 3: been fine doing that so well.

761
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 4: Final two can handle left field, handle left field, then

762
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 4: Parides could probably very well handled second base too. If

763
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 4: you're running that risk, run that risk as well.

764
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: And one thing I will add I I cannot envision

765
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: a scenario where ColorOS Korea moves off of third base. Now,

766
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: given you know how much he has talked about it's

767
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 2: helping him stay healthy, it's less movement, it's less a

768
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: physically it's less of a physically demanding position than shortstop.

769
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: And given honestly how good he is so good, I

770
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 2: mean just from day one looked like a natural, like

771
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 2: we kind of thought he would. So I don't think

772
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: there's a scenario where Korea moves off of third base.

773
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 2: But you know, I also at this point last year

774
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 2: wouldn't have told you there was a scenario.

775
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: Josel Tuove played the outfield.

776
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 3: So I just to me, there's no way that parades

777
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 3: defense can be worse than four at bats of IZI

778
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 3: Parades every day. There's just no way that his defense

779
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 3: could be that bad at second base. Even if it's

780
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 3: not good, that four at bats of Parades in that

781
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 3: lineup is worth more than elite second base defense. You know,

782
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 3: like you you're gonna have to put You're gonna put

783
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 3: guys in the field that you would prefer not to

784
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 3: every day anyway. And Paradi's bat is that good that

785
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 3: I think it's worth that risk if he's capable of doing.

786
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 3: I mean again, I'm not a scout or a coach,

787
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 3: so it could become very obvious six weeks into this offseason,

788
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 3: like there's no chance that this guy can play second base.

789
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 3: I just don't when you watch him at third base.

790
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 3: We talked about all year, like that guy looks good

791
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 3: at third base. You know, it's not like he was

792
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 3: just you know, falling over himself at third base and

793
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 3: you were just praying nothing was it to him? He

794
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 3: looked good. So I just I can't imagine a scenario

795
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 3: where he is like the laughing stock of the league

796
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 3: at second base. And you know, if he's serviceable at

797
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 3: second base, the bat is so valuable that I think

798
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 3: you have to find a way to do that. If

799
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 3: you're not able to find, you know, a place for

800
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: Walker to be. And even if you do, even if

801
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 3: you move Walker and you say, all right, Praidies is

802
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: at first base, you still have the issue of, Okay,

803
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 3: his range isn't that great, al two bay is not

804
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 3: going to help you at second Like then you have

805
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 3: to find a guy to play second base every day with,

806
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 3: you know, Like I don't know, I don't know if

807
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 3: there's that much of an upgrade of if Parades is

808
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 3: playing first base and you find somebody for second base,

809
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 3: then just having Walker and Parades over there anyway.

810
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: And it should be noted too that it's not as

811
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: if Esak Paradis has never played second base. He started,

812
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 2: you know, he started fifty three games in the big

813
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: leagues at second base. Again all and I've never seen

814
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: him place it can't be harder than third base. All

815
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: I'm basing this off of is you know, scouts and

816
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 2: coaches that I have talked to with other teams that

817
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: have seen Paradis play, Scouts that have seen him come

818
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: up through the minor leagues, and scouts that have seen him,

819
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: you know, evaluating him, and they just say that the

820
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: range is obviously not good, the lateral movement is not good,

821
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: which you don't really have to see at third base.

822
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: Like he's good when the ball's hit right at him,

823
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 2: and he's good when he's you know, the ball is

824
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: hitting a little circle kind of around him. He can

825
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: get to those those balls. And Tony Parishika did help

826
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 2: his range a little bit year. You saw him get

827
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: some more balls, maybe than they thought he would. But

828
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 2: having pain you there is a huge insurance because he's

829
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: a really good rangey shortstop. But I do think, like,

830
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 2: if they do come to that decision to play him

831
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 2: at second base, yeah, give him a winter, let him

832
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: go work with his infield whoever his coaches are. Let

833
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 2: him work with the astrosk coaches, like, see if they

834
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 2: can get it serviceable. Because I agree with you, Tyler, Like, he'll.

835
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 3: Be fine, Yeah, it'll be fine. He's he's not gonna

836
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 3: he's twenty six years old, Like, he's not. He's not

837
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 3: this ancient like guy who can't move. He'll he'll be fine.

838
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: It can't be that bad at second base.

839
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 2: Right, Josh, how was Maverick and Ryder's birthday party?

840
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 4: Who head day is always exhausting man up at seven

841
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 4: setting up for the party that starts at eleven to thirty.

842
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,959
Speaker 5: But it's always a great time.

843
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 4: There's plenty of great food, there's plenty of inflatables, and

844
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 4: you know, it's it's a really good time because we

845
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 4: do pinatas we do everything in imagine.

846
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 5: Always tell people if you come.

847
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 4: To mind one of my parties and you leave hungry

848
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 4: or board, then that's.

849
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 5: When you We've always food, We've got plenty of stuff

850
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 5: you do.

851
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 4: And there's always something we you know, we even provided

852
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 4: provided the beverages, so we didn't you just had to

853
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 4: bring a swim trunks and show up.

854
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 5: Man, it was a good time we had. We had

855
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 5: a mechanical bull, so we got some.

856
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 4: Thought they were another element and quickly realized how how

857
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 4: old they were.

858
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 5: No, I did not get on it because I'm smarter

859
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 5: than that.

860
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: M h. Yeah, it was.

861
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 5: It was a great time.

862
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 3: Who's got the better pinata swing?

863
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 5: Of my kids?

864
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 4: Rider R's got that that natural lefty swing. But this

865
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 4: was a This was a tough one. We had a

866
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 4: big old number six and it was hot wheel themed.

867
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 4: We probably had twenty five kids take three swings each

868
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 4: and nobody could crack it. And we even let one

869
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 4: of Maverick's little I think he's twenty twenty one years old,

870
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 4: he tried to hit it and couldn't break It.

871
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 5: Was kind of disappointing, actually.

872
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 3: And then I have to get out there and show.

873
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 5: I had to go out there. I didn't even hear

874
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Speaker 5: that just ripped it over.

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Speaker 1: You were giving the kids what they wanted.

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Speaker 4: They were getting antsy and they started knowing that that

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Speaker 4: circle gets tighter, that's where a kid gets hit in

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Speaker 4: the face.

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Speaker 5: So we handled and gout and took care of business.

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Speaker 5: So great party, you're.

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Speaker 3: Your bulldog's going to handle Auburn this week?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, it's not Alabama, so I'm really not sweating.

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Speaker 4: The only time I swim play Obama, and we saw

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Speaker 4: how that happened again.

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Speaker 3: So what's it like to have a lot? I can't

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Speaker 3: I can't relate to you guys.

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Speaker 4: College football has been great this year though, so many

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Speaker 4: agreed big good games, and you know we.

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Speaker 5: Talk about it. You just you just got to get in.

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Speaker 5: You get in the playoffs. Anything happened doesn't matter who

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Speaker 5: he plays.

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Speaker 4: So their top ten right now and we stayed there

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Speaker 4: will be fine.

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Speaker 1: Who does Lassie play this week?

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Speaker 3: Tyler? You know what? We play the team that just

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Speaker 3: beat Texas, the number one ranked team in the country.

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Speaker 3: As long as you stop paying attention. Two months ago,

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Speaker 3: we have Florida and look, I like I said, I

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Speaker 3: can't relate to you people with losses. We're just we're

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Speaker 3: the best team in the world and they're never going

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Speaker 3: to let me down. They never have, they ever will.

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Speaker 3: So Texas A and M the best college football team

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Speaker 3: of all time. So watch out suckers this year. I'll

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Speaker 3: let you know.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Okay, we'll talk about this and we'll recap it

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Speaker 9: all on Sunday when we come back with another Crush

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Speaker 9: Hit Territory episode presented by Fox One.

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Speaker 2: You can follow me on x at Chandler Underscore Rome,

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Speaker 2: follow Josh at j Red Dub Deuce, and follow Tyler

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Speaker 2: at Tyler s Stafford. As always, please rate and review

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Speaker 2: us on Apple and Spotify. You can leave comments on

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Speaker 2: the Spotify episode. You subscribe to the YouTube channel to

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Speaker 2: see anytime a new Crush Shitty Territory episode is posted.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, we will be back on Sunday to

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Speaker 2: discuss college football, the remaining the remaining American League playoff race.

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Speaker 2: We didn't even talk about the playoffs. That was a

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Speaker 2: hell of a swing by her and Judge.

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Speaker 3: Ghost Springer. Did you see the Vladdie clip that was

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Speaker 3: so good?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, good about get him out.

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Speaker 2: There that's that's gonna be a tough good luck. By

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Speaker 2: then we should know who has advanced to play for

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Speaker 2: a pennant and we will discuss that on Sunday. But

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Speaker 2: until then, thanks, I was always for listening and we'll

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Speaker 2: talk to you soon.

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Speaker 3: This episode felt like lunch with my kids, all this

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Speaker 3: tender talk. Bye,