1 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: We may never be able to agree on what impact 2 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: social media has had on our hunting, good or bad, 3 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: but I may not have met today's guest without it. 4 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: Trent Williams is one of those guys I always saw 5 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: popping up on social media with great polls year after year, 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: and come to find out they were on general Wyoming tags. 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: He's out of Green River, Wyoming is one of the 8 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: most consistent elk hunters I know. Today, I wanted to 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: dive into a little bit of what he does to 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: find success. You're in and year out. Welcome to the 11 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: show Tramp. Thanks Jason. I very much appreciate you having 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: me on and and just being able to sit down 13 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: and talk el hunting with you for a while. How's 14 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: everything going there in Wyoming? Good? I mean this year. 15 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: Maybe it's just because I'm a little more focused about it. 16 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, but it seems like a little bit 17 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: more of a wet summer, which every he knows we 18 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: need across the West, and it feels a lot nicer 19 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: oute and everything. Everything's rolling along smooth out here. Yeah, 20 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: I know, speaking of the wet summer, you know, wet 21 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: late spring. I know, horn growth across the West is 22 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: um it's it's off the charts and a lot of units. 23 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: It will be good for for anybody out there looking 24 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: for a few extra inches at elk horn. But yeah, 25 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: one little STATU had in Wyoming too is that they 26 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: claim and it's crazy coming from an area that has 27 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: you know, single digit success rate, but your guys, is 28 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: general tags um or or or I guess elk percentage 29 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: elk success overall is forty four point four percent, which 30 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: I think is unmatched, not even the second runner up 31 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: isn't even close. And so, um, that's a little tidbit 32 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: of information I have on Wyoming that just you know, 33 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: the elk hunting in Wyoming, not that you guys want 34 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: any more people, but you know, the not us non 35 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: residents are capped anyways, so you're you're you're gonna get 36 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: what you get. But just Wyoming is one of those 37 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: states where it's just like you guys, you guys are 38 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: still living in what we consider the hey days of 39 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: elk season in my opinion, or elk hunting in my opinion. Yeah, 40 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: I've heard it. I've heard it said by you know 41 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people, me included, that we really are 42 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: in in the glory days of el cunning right now, 43 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: and we have problems with you know, other populations of 44 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,839 Speaker 1: animals meldeers on decline everywhere, but Elk are really doing 45 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: really well. And I feel fortunate to live here and 46 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: just be able to hunt this state every single year 47 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 1: where people are basically clawned to come on here, even 48 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,119 Speaker 1: on a on a general tag. Yeah, pretty pretty good. 49 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: So to start the podcast off, we're gonna take some 50 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: listener questions, and once again for all of you out there, 51 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: if you have a question you want submitted UM from 52 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,839 Speaker 1: my guests or myself to answer, please email us at 53 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: ct D at Phelps game Calls dot com. We'll do 54 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: our best to field your questions and get those answered. 55 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: So the first question I have for you, Trent Elk. 56 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: We're in an area in early August. Will they be 57 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: there in September? The in my experience, uh, the bulls 58 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: that I found in early August UM are not in 59 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: the same place as UM in September. UM. I found. 60 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: The only real key takeaways that I found in August 61 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: UM in my scouting missions is to find the nursery 62 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: of cows. And then I went back to those areas 63 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: that had all the cows in them during the summer months, 64 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 1: and the bulls just kind of show up. So I 65 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: used to run trail cams a lot um and even 66 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: scout harder in the places that you know, I now 67 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: frequent a whole bunch, so it doesn't feel as important 68 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: to me, but it still is important to go take 69 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: inventory of the bulls there, and those same bulls that 70 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: I might get on camera, you know, miles away could 71 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: still show up um with those same cows. But as 72 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: far as patterns, I have never been good at finding 73 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: a spot in August that I can go back to 74 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: in September with any success. Yeah, and I'm on the 75 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: same exact um, you know, wavelength you are there. We 76 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: used to spend a lot of time before I knew 77 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: any better, you know, scouting bulls, and I didn't realize 78 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: I really needed to be paying attention to those cows, 79 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: because you know, as soon as around here August arrives, 80 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: those bulls were leaving to go start to check on 81 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: those those big groups of cows, you know, start to 82 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: break them up. Um, And yeah, it's just that natural process. 83 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: And once who understand that I'd rather pay attention to 84 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: cows or even more importantly, you know, rub areas stuff 85 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: like that, wallows um are more important. I do have 86 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: a question for you, since you pay a lot of 87 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: attention and you know target specific bulls, what what's the 88 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: forthest you've seen, you know, an elk move from maybe 89 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: that that Midsummer range to where they're gonna you know, 90 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: ultimately find them during the or once season rolls around 91 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: in September. Well, I don't know that I have a 92 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: real good bead um on movement like that. I mean, 93 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: I can't even honestly say that I've seen the same 94 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: bulls after I've scouted them, you know, in these general 95 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: over the counter units. I don't know that I've scouted 96 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: the same bulls that I've been seen with the cows. 97 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: So as far as movement, you know, I'm not real sure. 98 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: I just know that I have had bulls that I've 99 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: hunted during the month of September that I've moved and 100 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: extremely long ways, especially when they're bumped. I mean I 101 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: had it to where I bumped out maybe a couple 102 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: of different times, um, and they've stayed in the same area. 103 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: But then I don't know. It seems like when you 104 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: finally do booger Um, I've had him, you know, I 105 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: don't know. I've been seen as far as ten miles away, 106 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: which in the mountains obviously, as you know, is a 107 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: huge distance. So yeah, yeah, tough to tough to cover 108 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: that ground and stay with them. So um yeah. To 109 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: to reiterate what Trent said, where you find elk in 110 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: early August, especially the bowls is not where you're going 111 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: to find them. Um come September, I would, you know, 112 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: focus your attention on the cows, the bigger groups of cows, 113 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: and pay attention to that area or in close proximity 114 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: to that area as a season approaches. So the second 115 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: question for you when drawing a game plan for the day, 116 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: how do you decide where you're going to start and 117 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: how does your day progress? Like? Can you can you 118 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: build out a day? Um, you know, in the life 119 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: of hunting elk in the woods, I can try. On 120 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: a perfect day, I guess I would have a game 121 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: plan from the night before, whether that's like if I'm 122 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: just starting a trip off, I'll try and get into 123 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: the wood or uh, you know, get to camp before 124 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: nightfall that evening and then just be able to either 125 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: scout or bugle or do something to try and get 126 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: my head in the game for the next morning. If 127 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: I have completely nothing going, then I'll usually start start 128 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: my morning early and road bugle. Uh. Basically try and 129 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: be either on elk right and early when the sun 130 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 1: comes up, or be hiking into where I feel like 131 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: I have my best chance to get on elk, whether 132 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: that's um, taking into consideration the people around um, or 133 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: you know, any other kind of circumstances we could have. UM. 134 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: I guess after the you know, morning kind of leads 135 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: us to to what we do the rest of the day. Yeah, 136 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: do you do you prefer to glass right off the 137 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: bat or do you want to be right, you know, 138 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: on top of elk or or do you not have 139 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: a preference. I'd prefer to be right on top of them. 140 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: I I joke with you know a couple of hunting 141 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: buddies that I usually spook more elk before some people 142 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: wake up in the morning, and that actually gets kind 143 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: of rustrating at times. But I also, I mean, I 144 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: just feel it's important to keep contact with elk, especially 145 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: in the morning when they're moving from that feeding to 146 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: bedding area. Just being able to be right on top 147 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: of them, you know, the best time of day, you're 148 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: gonna get to kill them when they're most vocal, most active, 149 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: and be able to be in position to strike sometimes, 150 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, I get in over my head and 151 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: I spook balls in the dark and elk as a 152 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: whole in the dark. But it's kind of just a 153 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: price I've learned to pay with and and try and 154 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: learn my lesson. But at the same time, I guess 155 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: I'm not all that disappointed in it, because I know 156 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: I was trying to put myself in the best position 157 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: I could be to succeed that day. Yeah, for sure. 158 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: And that's one thing that we as well learned, you know, 159 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: is I learned to hunt a certain way here on 160 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: the coast range. You know, we had a lot of 161 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: clear cuts and and industrial timberlands, and when we decided 162 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: to start hunting the mountains, um, we quickly learned that. 163 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: You know, right off the bat, I wanted to always 164 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: take the easy route, stay high on the ridge, you know, 165 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: be on a trail, um, do things that were easy. Um. 166 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: But then you start to realize, well, I'm we're gonna 167 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: kill an elk from up here with the thermals, you know, 168 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: at least not in the first couple hours, and so 169 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: we started to learn over time, like, hey, we got 170 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: to get up an hour hour and a half earlier, 171 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: we need to go down the ridge and then we 172 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: need to go down in the drainage and approach it 173 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: was alk a different way, and so you know, similar 174 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: to that, Like you know, we bumped a lot of elk. 175 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: We we bump a lot of elk being aggressive, trying 176 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: to get in tight you know, as they're biggling a 177 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: little bit more during the dark and try to be 178 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: you know, you get as close as possible without you know, 179 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: you're kind of we're running that that risk of is 180 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: it going to be daylight by time, you know everything, 181 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: So you're kind of shadow in the herd, and we 182 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: do a lot of that that same stuff, very aggressive play, 183 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: but um, at least we're on those elk as soon 184 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: as daylight hits. Yeah, And like you mentioned, a lot 185 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: of times you have to approach from the bottom and 186 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's tough too, to try and chase 187 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 1: down elk up a mountain. Um, Like you're saying it's 188 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: easier to be on top, but you're sometimes that's not 189 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: necessarily the best position to kill those elk. On top 190 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: where they can smell you. So a lot of it. Yeah, 191 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: it's just I guess it just comes down to feel. 192 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 1: I mean, I like to be right on top of 193 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: Elk as the sun rises. A lot of people maybe 194 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 1: would you know, rather take that easier route? Yep, yep. 195 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: So um, thank you very much for those two. Um. 196 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: Once again, if you have any questions of your own, 197 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: please email them at ct D app Phelps game Calls 198 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: dot Com and will do our best to get those 199 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: answered for you. So now we're gonna jump into some 200 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: questions that I have for Trent and just um, some 201 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: information that I want to talk about. I think it's important, 202 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: and we'll get it started off with the moon phase. 203 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: Does the moon phase affect how you hunt or plan 204 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: your hunt? How you know, how you take your days 205 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: off or your vacation any of that, and kind of 206 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: how does moon phase affect your arch real kunny. I mean, 207 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: I've gone back and forth on this, I guess just 208 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. As experiences start to kind of rack up, 209 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: I still as a whole the full moon, you know 210 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: week has always been slower for me, but then I've 211 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 1: also seen being able to hunt, you know, basically um, 212 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: the entire month of September, the ebbs and flows of 213 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: the Elk Rut as a whole. You think that, you know, 214 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: just because we get into late September and the fact 215 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: that there's no moon, that the Elk ruts just going 216 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: to be off the charts no matter what. And I've 217 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: seen that not be the case either where you have 218 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: quiet woods, So um, I mean my usual pattern anymore. 219 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily can't say I don't enjoy it, but 220 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: the two week long trips are hard on me. I 221 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: like to just like those five six day blocks, especially 222 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: being in state. Obviously this is easier. But if I 223 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,599 Speaker 1: could just plan those five six day blocks out um, 224 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: and if the ruts not happening, you know, I kind 225 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: of have some freedom. I can go home or whatever. 226 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: And if it really is happening, I can take a 227 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: couple of extra days off. And that's really kind of 228 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: how I play it anymore. When it's good, I try 229 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: and stay on. And when it's not, you know, obviously 230 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: I still hunt hard and try some different tactics like 231 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: sitting wallows. But you also, you know, you got to 232 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: pick your vacation days wisely, and and that's I've been 233 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: lucky enough to go about it in that way instead 234 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: of the moon phase. So yeah, the full moon, I 235 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: don't like it. I don't like hunting during it necessarily. 236 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: It gives me a feeling that it's not going to 237 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: be good. But um, I've had it to where you know, 238 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: there's both google and on the full moon, just like 239 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: no moon. So yeah, And do you find that those 240 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: bulls are just more active at night during that moon 241 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: phase versus you know, a lot less running action during 242 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: the day when you can hunt, versus they're doing all 243 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: of it at night. Um? Or do you just feel 244 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: that it shuts them down a little bit? Yeah, I 245 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: mean I I do feel that way. I think the 246 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: full moon they're you know, they're more active, they're out 247 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: feeding all night. Um. And then honestly, and I guess 248 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: another thing I try and do is camp up high 249 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: And a lot of that experience being camped up high 250 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: on ridge tops has allowed me to listen for elk 251 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: as I'm sleeping in my wallton at night. And that's 252 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: kind of become an important thing too, is is being 253 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: able to kind of keep track, you know, what the 254 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: elk are doing with any different moon phase or weather pattern. 255 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: In the middle of the night and then that has 256 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 1: helped jump start me to to to the stuff I 257 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: want to do in the morning. But um, just being 258 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: able to kind of keep track of them during the 259 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: night and see and what what changes with these elk 260 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: patterns in the full moon. I'm on board fully. You know. 261 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: Moon phase always seems to you know, knock the rut 262 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: down from where it was, and there always seems to 263 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: be a phase after, you know, the full moon where 264 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: things picked back up. I'd prefer to hunt on the 265 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: back end of a full moon. Um, it just seems 266 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 1: that the action. But you know, we don't get to 267 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: pick when it is and how it coordinates with the 268 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: full rut. So you know, I'm I'm you know, limited 269 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: days in September. I'm usually out there regardless, um, you know. 270 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: And and I did an experiment. You know, I'm an 271 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: engineer by trade, and my mind works that way. So 272 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: I remember it was back in like maybe two thousand, 273 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen. I went back and I could remember all 274 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: the dates that I had killed elk on you know, 275 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: either through pictures or I could just remember the days 276 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: very distinctly, and then went and checked that with the 277 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: moon phase and I had killed to that point, like 278 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: three or four of my biggest bull bolls on like 279 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: two days of either side of the full moon. And 280 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: you know whether and whether it's just a coincidence or 281 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: whether there's correlation. And then one year we went up 282 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: in a in a wilderness area and hung a camera 283 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: specifically on what I would consider a more wide open wallow. 284 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: You know, it was a natural spring out out more 285 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: in the sun, the heat high in a basin where 286 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: elk typically wouldn't be in the middle of the day. Um, 287 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: we set the trail camera up there, and to my surprise, 288 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: I could never do this again. We didn't have a 289 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: picture of a deer, didn't have a picture of a bear, 290 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: didn't have a picture of anything, not even cows, nothing 291 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,599 Speaker 1: but bulls. You know, the entire month of August. I 292 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: think it's six hundred and seventy odd pictures of bulls. 293 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: And I didn't do this, but my buddy did it. 294 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: But I was able to look at the data. We 295 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: went and looked at, you know, the snapshot of and 296 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: we removed duplicates, but we went and looked at like 297 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: when that bowl was out in the middle of the heat, 298 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 1: and you know, or even nighttime and checked it against 299 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: moon phase, and by time we were done, Like, man, 300 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: there's really no rhyme or reason, Like it didn't matter 301 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: that month if it was before the moon, whether it 302 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: was during full moon, or whether it was on you know, 303 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: the trailing moon. Like it didn't seem to matter on 304 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: when those elk were you know, daytime, nighttime, any of that. Um. Now, 305 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: I'm not telling everybody don't pay attention to it, because 306 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: it's obvious. You've you've experienced, you know, uh, a little 307 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: bit of lack in in in the rut and and 308 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: I've experienced the same thing. But I I guess the 309 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: general consensus is pay attention to the moon phase. You know, 310 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: plan your vacation accordingly. But there's only so many days 311 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: in September, and and uh, I just soon be out 312 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: there struggling through the moon phase versus you know, being 313 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: at home. But um, you know there's also guys out 314 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: there with limited time, and um, you know, effort, you know, 315 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: as you said, you get burnt down, you know a 316 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: little bit from chasing them during those hard times. So yeah, 317 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: that that's kind of where we're at on on the 318 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: moon phase. Pay attention to it. Um, it does matter, 319 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: but um, it is what it is, especially during September. Yeah, 320 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: and I know that my answer maybe necessarily doesn't help 321 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: somebody plan their vacation on the moon phase. You know. 322 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: My answer basically is just when you can kind of 323 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: like yours, I mean, and you're gonna have higher chances 324 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: about bugling in the later half of September. So I 325 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: think that's a that's a better bet than I mean, 326 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: I would bet on that more so than I would, 327 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: you know, coming early in September, because the moon is better. 328 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: I guess That's what I'm trying to get at. Don't 329 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: don't necessarily make the moon you're deciding factor and think 330 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: that the elk cred is gonna be better on September 331 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: three than it is on September. You know. Yeah, that's 332 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: a that's a great point, um, you know, and then 333 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: trying to you know, we could talk about all the 334 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: differences between where the moon phases versus the you know, 335 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: the time in September, and um, you'd have to write 336 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,359 Speaker 1: a book on how to figure it out. So yeah, 337 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: I agree with you. There. You live you know in 338 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: Wyoming Hunt in Wyoming, Um, you know, the heart of 339 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: Wolf Country. Um, my Idaho spot is in wolf country 340 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: and my Montana spots you know, covered up in wolves. UM. 341 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: In your opinion, what is different? How did the elk 342 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: you know, react different whether there are wolves in the 343 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: area actively in the area, and then how do you 344 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: kind of adapt your strategies to deal with wolves um 345 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: in the same spot you want to hunt elk. I 346 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: don't know that. I think for a while it was 347 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: and I don't know if I just jumped on the 348 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: bandwagon or not or what necessarily happened, But it was 349 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: not for a while that the elk got a whole 350 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: lot quieter. And I think to some degree that's true. Um. 351 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: But we have we have a few places that that 352 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: are pretty heavy in wolf country. And I can't say 353 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: that I necessarily hunted any different than I than I 354 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: did before, or or would hunt it any differently. I 355 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: can't say there's a correlation correlation and them timbering up 356 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: more anything like that. And and I don't know if 357 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: it's because the wolf packs out here have such a 358 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: huge home range, um that it doesn't bother him as much. 359 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: But I just back to kind of what we started 360 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: with and the fact that this is glory days of 361 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: elk hunting and wyoming is um. You know, units across 362 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: the board, you know, give or take a few, are 363 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: are high in population. And uh, I think just the 364 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: elk cret just by that fact alone, is I mean, 365 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: I guess to shorten it up, I haven't seen much 366 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: of a change as far as how I approach things. 367 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: Wolves or no wolves. Yeah, that that's great information from 368 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: you know, you've been in that same area for the 369 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: you know what twenty plus years, and you know not 370 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 1: to see a difference coming from western Washington where we 371 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: don't have wolves and I get to go hunt, you know, 372 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: spots like Idaho, Montana. UM, I noticed like a small 373 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: localized difference. Um. We hunt an area that has what 374 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: I would consider three main three major drainages out of it, 375 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: and then we can we can be high and we 376 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: can listen into him at night, and if we hear 377 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: wolves howling, you know, in the evening, um or or 378 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: at any time throughout the day in that specific drainage, 379 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: we can almost guarantee it's gonna be a little bit 380 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: quieter than maybe it was the day before, or or 381 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: you know, if we've been hunt in the same area 382 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: for the last week, it's like, all right, it's it 383 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: seems to be a little dead now. Whether that's just 384 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: once again coincidental, um, but we're almost to the point 385 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: now where if we do hear wolves in a certain drainage, 386 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: we'll just pick a different one to go into. Whether 387 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: it's in my head, um or or I just think 388 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: they're being less kind of like you said, we kind 389 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: of just bought into the that they're having a huge effect. 390 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: But once we get in tight, I feel like I 391 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: just have to get in a little bit closer, maybe 392 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: a little bit more intimate with these elk, and then 393 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: we can get them to talk again. We're not necessarily 394 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: they're not just completely mute. They don't talk for the 395 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: entire day. They don't decide that you know that the 396 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: wolves around they're going to be quiet for the next 397 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: forty eight hours. In my opinion, there's still elk. They're 398 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: still running their doing what elk do. They may just 399 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: be a little bit a little bit more tight lipped, 400 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: and and they just won't They require you to be 401 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: a little bit closer before they're going to open up 402 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: and talk back to you. Yeah, And I don't know 403 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: that that I just have, you know, maybe a skewed 404 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: perception just because the populations are doing so well. Because 405 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: I know that, you know, talking with guys in Idaho 406 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: and stuff where the population has crashed because of wolves, 407 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: that's not the case. And I I've heard the same 408 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: thing from guys that you know, got go hunting the 409 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: thoroughfare in Wyoming too, that the experience is a whole 410 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 1: lot different. But I haven't a walked in there that 411 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: far into the thoroughfare kind of stuff, and don't have 412 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: a horse to get in there. So these places, you know, 413 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: like northern Idaho, I've heard the stories of. I mean, 414 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: if the population is going to crash and these elkno 415 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: that wolves are predator number one, I can very much 416 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: imagine that that's the case for sure. I appreciate that 417 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: tip from from a guy that's hunted you know, the 418 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: same you know, same general area for for lots of years, 419 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: and then you'll be able to give us a real 420 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: good read on, you know, in your opinion, how wolves 421 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: have affected it. So my next question for you, Trent 422 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: is living in Wyoming, Um, you've got some pretty liberal 423 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: hunting season dates, you know, aside from Montana. I think 424 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: you guys maybe have the longest general. Um, you know 425 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: archioks season. UM, so it's kind of the perfect question 426 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: for you. UM, when do you find the most success? 427 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: You know, you can hunt any we're from the beginning 428 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: of September to the end of September, and then, um, 429 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: you know, kind of explain you know, pre pre ru peak, 430 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 1: post rut and when you found your most success and 431 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: then what you what you found in the other two Um, 432 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: you know, times I um kind of like you've I 433 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: noticed when I was killing my best bulls and they 434 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: were all earlier in September. So, um, I had success 435 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: early in September for a lot of years. But I 436 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: also the only thing that I'll add in about like 437 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: season dates in Wyoming is I used to not necessarily 438 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: be just just a strict archery l khunt or either 439 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: there's seasons in Wyoming, like deer seasons in Alpine that 440 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: open September fift So a lot of you know, some 441 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: years I'd go and i'd l hunt the first you know, 442 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: ten fifteen days of September whatever I could make work 443 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: and then go rifle deer hunt. And so I think 444 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: sometimes you know, especially you know early in my career, 445 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: when I didn't have as much vacation I had to 446 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: pick and choose. I really enjoyed Elk cunting early UM 447 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 1: and then going to doing other things and trying to 448 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: just fit in as much stuff as I could. So 449 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: I had more success early and I thought maybe, you know, 450 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: I had unlocked the key, and I don't know that 451 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: that's necessarily the case anymore. I just think it was 452 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: all about timing. But as far as going through September UM, 453 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: I really I guess I just try and feel it out. 454 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 1: I just try and match the mood of the ELK. 455 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: Early September the last few years has been relatively dead. 456 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: We've had a couple of times where on September one 457 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: where Elk haven't had any pressure. You know, they're screaming 458 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: the night before on August thirty one or whatever, and 459 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: we've had a pretty good hunter. There's a day or two, 460 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: like September three or fourth, where Elk are screaming pretty 461 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: good and you're able to kind of play the game 462 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: with them a little bit before everybody else starts to UM, 463 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: but still just trying to kind of let out some 464 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: some some slower UM location bugles, kind of those where 465 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: are you bugles that are quieter in the timber, and 466 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: just kind of really digging these elk out more so 467 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: than trying to hunt them out to have screaming matches 468 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:58,959 Speaker 1: with them. I think has really helped me. I've been 469 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: able to locate elk um when seemingly others can't, just 470 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: by doing that, just by kind of getting in close 471 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: into their bedding area, trying to play the wind and 472 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: then letting out just these little grunts or or little 473 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: calls tell you know, asking these elk where they are, 474 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: and I've been answered by basically the same bugle back 475 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: just to really low almost half bedded bugle I know, 476 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about, Jason. But Um then 477 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: as protruding into September, I mean, just just still trying 478 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: to mac match their intensity. When it starts getting good 479 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: middle of September, that first real good running activity, you know, 480 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: I'll try and scream with them as much as I can. Um. 481 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: With that said, I'm usually hunting elk solo um, and 482 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 1: it's it's just really tough to be your own caller 483 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: and shooters. So a lot of times I'm trying to 484 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: get in as close as I if I can't, if 485 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: I feel like I can't just spot and stock them 486 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: or locate them and then stock in. I'm getting in 487 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: as close as I can, basically throwing whatever calls I 488 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: think are going to close the deal for me, and 489 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 1: then running forward basically as much as I feel comfortable, 490 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: whether that's twenty ords are a hundred yards, depending on 491 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: the terrain, is basically my go to is. And then 492 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: as we moved through September, like we talked about a 493 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: little bit before those ebbs and flows of the season 494 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: when it's really hot, I mean, I'll just go more aggressive. 495 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 1: And then as September moves on and we get through 496 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: those ebbs and flows of the season, just matching them 497 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 1: and figuring out what makes them tick and staying close 498 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 1: to them all day. Really, yeah, I've got a I've 499 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: got a little bit of input here. You know, Washington 500 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: were limited to about a ten day plus or minus season, 501 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: and they added day or take a day away here. 502 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: But our seasons have moved from like the first you know, 503 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: day after Labor Day to like the twelve, and then 504 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: at some time it went from like the tenth of 505 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: they but I know, way back when, like the tenth 506 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: of the thirteenth were like my better days right before 507 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: the peat, you know, things were just getting going. And 508 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: that's when I had found like my most success is like, 509 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 1: all right, we're kind of out of the pre PREI rod, 510 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: but we're right on the cusp of of what I 511 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: would consider the peak ruck, kind of the main breeding season. 512 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 1: And that's when I found success. Like right as those 513 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: bulls are, you know, are to get you know, a 514 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: little bit amped up and uh, a little bit testy, 515 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: and that was kind of my time to use my 516 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: more aggressive calling style. And then you know, post rut, 517 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not one of those guys that 518 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: buys into the ruts super late or the rut didn't 519 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: happen this year, but I've I've been able to spend 520 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: a lot more time out in the woods, you know, 521 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: with some of the October Montana seasons or you know, 522 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: some of the units and Wyoming to let you continue 523 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: to hunt into October UM. And I found that the 524 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: ruts still cranking pretty dang good, you know, into October one, 525 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: you know, all the way even to the October tenth 526 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: and some of these areas I've hunted um, which you know, 527 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: whether people, I think the majority people would consider that 528 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: post rout, whether it's younger cows coming back in a 529 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: second time or you know, just cows coming in late um. 530 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: But you know, as of late it seems like the 531 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,239 Speaker 1: hunting can be really good, you know, even through that 532 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: first part of October. UM and and but there's no 533 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: denying the peak rut, you know, for for most people 534 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: is what you're out there after to hear lots of bugles, 535 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: a lot of action, and that not necessarily have to 536 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: guess where they're at. Yeah, and we have just to 537 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: add on to it a little bit more. We have 538 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: rifle elk tags that open. A lot of them open 539 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 1: October and a lot I mean, jeezus, it's very rare 540 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,719 Speaker 1: that I go a year without hearing a bowl on 541 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: the morning of October fifteen. Sometimes when rifles start, rifle 542 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: shots start singing out, it shuts him up, but pat 543 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 1: it to where I've chased bugles from basically the entire week. 544 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 1: I'm up there, rifle eil cutting up. You know, I'm 545 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: kind of treating it like it's the middle of the red. 546 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 1: I'm able to bugle at him and get him to answer. 547 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: And obviously you're using a rifle, so that the range 548 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: factor becomes a whole lot better. You don't have to 549 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: get near as close. But yeah, the October stuff has 550 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: been really good too, being a guy that I have 551 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: to ask a question just because it always kind of 552 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 1: it kind of catches me off guard. Being an archer 553 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: end that goes to rifle. Does it take you a 554 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: little bit on that first morning? But I don't gotta 555 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 1: bow in my hand anymore. I can just shoot that 556 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: from where I'm at. You know, It's like it always 557 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: kind of like I have to laugh at myself because 558 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: you go from bow mode for the you know month, Hey, 559 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: this is this game just got a whole lot easier. Yeah. Absolutely, 560 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,959 Speaker 1: I've had a couple of times where, you know, my 561 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: wife's been getting into into l cutting a little bit. 562 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: She never did, you know, with her family before meeting me, 563 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: but she loves listening to Elk bugle and being a 564 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: part of it. But anyway, I've had a couple of 565 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: times where I'm kind of trying to put the put 566 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: the pieces together on how to get close to these 567 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 1: bulls and you know, you got it at least in 568 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,959 Speaker 1: my brain that I'm not going to call out across 569 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: the canyon, and you know, I'm not gonna do all 570 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: these things, so I'm trying to mentally kind of figure 571 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: out what I'm gonna do, and then I just kind 572 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: of turned to her and go, well, geez, I guess 573 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: all we have to do is have them step out 574 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: in the middle of this meadow and there're three yards 575 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,959 Speaker 1: away and life's good. So yeah, the same kind of thing. 576 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,719 Speaker 1: All all you really have to do is get their 577 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: attention having bugle back and the games on, or just 578 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 1: move them, you know a little bit, and you're in 579 00:26:47,440 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: the game as well. I've talked to you in the 580 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: past a little bit. Uh, I know, you get up 581 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: extremely early. You'll do some things like stay up late 582 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 1: and even glass if the moonlight allows, um night locating, 583 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 1: you know, road bugl NG. Can you kind of explain 584 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: you know, I think it's obvious why you do it, 585 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: but kind of your strategy and uh, you know, putting 586 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: in all that extra effort to make sure that you're 587 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: on out, you know, to start start with. Yeah, the 588 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: road bugling stuff I really do when I've got nothing going. 589 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: Kind of how we started the beginning of this podcast, 590 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: which like if if nothing's happened the evening before, I've 591 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: just got you know, I've got no idea what what 592 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do the next day, I'll just wake up 593 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: and road bugle. Um that kind of touched on sleeping 594 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: up high on a ridge top has helped too, because 595 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: I mean, I've been woke up by bulls bugling before, 596 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: but road bugling is huge just to um, yeah, to 597 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: start the day when I've got nothing going on. I 598 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: mean I've got up as early as three o'clock in 599 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: the morning when I just really haven't figured anything out 600 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: for a couple of days. That gives you time to 601 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: hit some trailhead. I mean, road bugling kind of extended 602 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: hit some trailheads. You can walk a half mile three 603 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: cards of a mile to a high point that you know, 604 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: you know nobody else is going to even hear that bugle, 605 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: that you're going to have the entire woods to yourself 606 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: and to be able to be able to scream down 607 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: these ridge tops, you know, half miles, three cards a 608 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: mile mile, whatever you need to do when these bulls 609 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: are most active to get these responses is huge and 610 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: doesn't obviously mean that it ends up in my favor 611 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: every time, but um, just to have um that avenue 612 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: to go with has just become something that I do religiously, 613 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: and and even I guess when I do have something 614 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: to go on waking up early in the morning, running 615 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: down the ridge top bugling at these out and seeing 616 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: if they're in the same spot I left him, or 617 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: if they've switched ridges, and you know, I gotta do 618 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: something else in the dark to get in position rather 619 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: than selling out and being in the wrong spot. Is 620 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: something else I'll do. Um that I consider the road bugling. 621 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: And then the other part of waking up early really 622 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: is just it's gamesmanship on on general tag public lands. 623 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you get to a spot and you hope 624 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: that if you're parked there, you know the next guy 625 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: won't walk in. It's not always the case, obviously, but 626 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: I mean most of the time outdoorsman el hunters are 627 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: are pretty respectful of that. And so I don't want 628 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: to leave a lot of things up to luck, especially 629 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: if I do have something go on my way. So 630 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: to get up early, get to where I want to park, 631 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: you know, maybe walk in that half mile mile, listen 632 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: to the listen to the woods, wake up, whatever I 633 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: need to do is all part of waking up early. 634 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: That I'm lucky that I guess I'm able to. I've 635 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: always been one of those people that just has no 636 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: problem waking up early in the morning and I'm excited 637 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: to go l cunning and when it's time to go, 638 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: it's time to go. Yeah, those are all, you know, 639 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: the same things we do. And it's hard to to 640 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: kind of drill that into somebody's said, you know, it's 641 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: like they want to be asleep when it gets dark, 642 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: or back to camp, or you know, even as far 643 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: as like only hunting to a point where you could 644 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: then returning me back to your truck by dark. Um, 645 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: I've used some of the those opportunities, like I'm just 646 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: gonna sit out at the end of a ridge until 647 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: dark because I've got to walk back an hour and 648 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: a half and what better location or area to just 649 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: listen on the way back. You know, some of these 650 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: things that separate Um, yeah, I don't separate. The I'm 651 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: gonna say at the ninety percentage from the ten per 652 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: centers is you know, people that want to be back 653 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: to their truck by dark because it's more comfortable, and 654 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: then they're eating their dinner earlier. Like I'm willing to 655 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: give up some of those luxuries in order to I'm 656 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: just gonna sit out here until it gets dark listen 657 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: for a little bit longer, because I should have put 658 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: myself in a good area if I'm doing everything else right, 659 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: you know, and then, um, you know, one thing we 660 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: do is a lot of night locating. If we're not 661 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: on elk, if we know they're elk in a certain 662 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: area we've got on pattern, then we'll just leave the 663 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: other elk alone. Um, not harass them. But you know, 664 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: if we're not on elk or we haven't found them 665 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: within a day, or we're in a unit, we'll just 666 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: start driving roads or like you said, hiking short trails 667 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: out locating at night, and then once we do locate them, 668 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: we're leaving them alone. But um, it goes back that 669 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: idea that like I want to be on an elk 670 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: every morning, I actually want to be sitting on elk 671 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: every midday, and I want to be hunting those elk 672 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: at night. Like I don't want to be looking for 673 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,239 Speaker 1: elk during times that I can be killing elk. Um 674 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: is kind of its kind of my strategy. Yeah, and 675 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: you're exactly right. And I'll even just add to the 676 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: point a little bit more I've you know, had those 677 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: times where late in the evening, I'm busting it to 678 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: get back to the truck before it's dark. And you know, 679 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: back to bringing up my wife. She thinks we're done 680 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: for the day, and I have to mention to her, no, 681 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: I'm I'm busting it so that we can get to 682 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: the truck, get up here, and then I can hurry 683 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: and run up this ridge and go glass because you know, 684 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: it's evening time, everything's coming out to feed. It's dead 685 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: where we're at, and I gotta have something figured out 686 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: by tomorrow. You know, I'm not gonna know what to do. 687 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: So just another little piece of that, you know, busted 688 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: out of there, maybe, but use every remaining piece of 689 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: daylight that you can to locate olk. That's a great tip, 690 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: and you know it is I've said it many times, 691 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: but you can't kill alk unless you got some elk located. 692 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: So willing to do whatever it takes to locate those. 693 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: Put in the effort, and you know, stay later, get 694 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: up earlier. Um all is going to add your success. 695 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: So we've we just touched a little bit. It was 696 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: a great segue into you know, getting up super early, 697 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: trying to be on elk right and you know first daylight, 698 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: you know, hunting all the way till the end of 699 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: the day. What's what's your strategy mid day? Do you 700 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: hunt mid day? Do you sit on elk? You try 701 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: to hunt betted elk? Um? Do you utilize that that 702 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: you know we tend to tend to you tend to 703 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: four timeline to to to harvest. I guess that tend 704 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: to two time frame is about the only time during 705 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: elk season that I have any patients at all. I 706 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: feel like in the morning and in the evening, if 707 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: you can't tell already, you know, I'm running around like 708 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: a madman trying to either get on elk or get 709 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: in perfect position that tend to to nothing's going on. 710 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: That's the only time I have any patients. Um. You 711 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: know I've heard bulls crack off midday just by staying 712 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: in the woods. Um. Everybody else goes back to camp, 713 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: Just stay in the woods. I mean, it's also about 714 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: the only time I read a book too, So I'll 715 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: take a book in there with me, read a book 716 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: or whatever, and just be where I either lost those 717 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: elk in the morning, um, or get to a spot 718 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: where I think the elk could be you know, better 719 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: at at and start making noise in the early afternoon. 720 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: Just something again to be in position during during prime time. Um. 721 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: And there's there's still plenty days to where I go 722 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: back to camp. I mean, I guess as I've gotten older, 723 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: I'm thirty one now, that never would have been the 724 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: case probably, um. But I do enjoy the camping aspect too. 725 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: And it's also you know, it's still vacation as well, 726 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: So there's times I get caught up in you know, 727 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: let's just go back to camp and let's have a 728 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: beer and let's regroup because we've got nothing going and 729 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: and I don't know that staying out midday is gonna 730 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: help us. And sometimes those regroup times are important too 731 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, keeping that, you know, morale up, motivation up. Um. 732 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: You know a quick quick story from last year, um, 733 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: New Mexico super hot we had. This may even be exaggerating, 734 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: you know, our acts to hut them in the morning, 735 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: in half an hour at night to hunt them. Um. 736 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: And and those midday like midday madness is what I 737 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: call it, because I was going crazy just having to 738 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: sit on bedded elk. And that was one of you know, 739 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: similar to you, like you almost just have to you know. 740 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 1: We just talked about doing everything we can to find 741 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: elk and keep yourself in the game and kill Elk. 742 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: But there were a few days where we're just like, man, 743 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: we gotta go back to camp, you know, same thing, 744 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: have a cold beer, kind of just you know, unwind 745 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: because you know, the midday in some of these areas 746 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: was certain Elk. It's just it's not gonna happen, um, 747 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,280 Speaker 1: you know. But there are times if if the bulls 748 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: responsive or gives us bedded vehicles or you know, it's 749 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: at least you know, you know, talking to us, we 750 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: will go in if we can get the wind right, um, 751 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: and try to kill him in the middle of the day. Um. 752 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: But a lot of times these elk beds and spots 753 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: that in my opinion, just too risky um to go 754 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: in there in the middle of the day. I'd rather 755 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: just wait, you know, until that evening or the following 756 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: morning and without blowing him out of the country. A 757 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: lot of times, I'm sure, like here, you notice they're 758 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: bettered in like bowls, and I'm sure a lot of 759 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: that has to do with shade, but it also has 760 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: to do it. I mean, I know you've noticed it. 761 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: Anytime you enter a bowl, the wind starts to shift 762 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: every direction, and even though you've got maybe you know, 763 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: wins you can count on when you start, as soon 764 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: as you get in that bowl, it seems like I 765 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: have to back out a lot of times. In Wyoming, 766 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: where the wind blows constantly, you seem to just have 767 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: shifty wins a lot of times in the middle of 768 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: the day. Anyway. Yeah, they they've got that sense that 769 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: they you know, I'm sure it's an eight and they 770 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: do it on purpose, but yeah, they bed down where 771 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: there's no way for you to approach because the wind 772 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: and it's frustrating. His heck, but that's one of the 773 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: reasons why they they they're there obviously. Um, all right, 774 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: so you're in the middle of the season. We've kind 775 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: of heard your answer a little bit. It sounds like 776 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,280 Speaker 1: maybe you go home. But when the elk aren't bugling, 777 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: kind of what's your next move? If how are you 778 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: gonna go find him? How are you going to approach him? Um? 779 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: What's your strategy when they're just not talking? Um? Well, 780 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 1: I mean, first I wouldn't like to go home, And 781 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: there's sometimes you know, in the middle of a weekend 782 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: or something where I wouldn't UM. It just comes down 783 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: that aspect, just comes down to vacation days and what 784 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: a guy can use. UM. But as far as elk 785 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 1: elk not talking, I mean gone about finding them, I 786 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: just end up reverting back to UM all my road 787 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 1: bugling stuff, and then the patients factor that I guess 788 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: we just kind of hit on. I'll try and either 789 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: even if I don't sit them. I've had very little 790 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: success sitting wallows, but I guess I've had zero success 791 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: sitting wallows. I mean I've found wallows that are seemingly 792 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: being used, sat on them and had nothing come in, 793 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: or and seeing game camp picks where elk have come in, 794 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: you know the day before at noon or two o'clock 795 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 1: or whatever. But that's always I think that's what I 796 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: privor reverted to last year was I walked streams, I 797 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: found wallows, I sat wallows and it didn't work. I 798 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: mean just I guess doing anything to to think outside 799 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: the box and do something that I wasn't doing before 800 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: UM without driving myself completely crazy. And and last year 801 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: early September, I know I had one day where we 802 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,720 Speaker 1: all kind of in the high with seventy nine degrees, 803 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: which is, you know, really hot for Wyoming mountains. And 804 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: so I just knew that wallows were the best way 805 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: to get it done, and I still couldn't figure anything out. So, um, 806 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 1: you know, I guess to someone all up when I can't, 807 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 1: when elk current bugle and it's tough out, I just 808 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: try and do something different. Set wallows. Um, I'll sit 809 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: on betting areas um as carefully as you can so 810 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,720 Speaker 1: that you're not doing more harm than good. Um staying 811 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 1: in the woods and then being up earlier and later. Really, yeah, 812 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm in the same boat. I've tried to hunt wallows. 813 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: I'm very impatient, and so my whole thought is I'm 814 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 1: gonna go there, I'm gonna be really patient. I'm gonna 815 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: have a good comfortable seat. And I get there for 816 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: about ten minutes and it's like this is you know, 817 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 1: I'm either going to fall asleep or you know, the 818 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: wind isn't doing what I want. And so similar to you, 819 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 1: I've had absolutely zero success on wallows. Now, what I 820 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 1: have did where wallows have you been been a contributor 821 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: to my success? Is we just get near them and 822 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 1: we can maybe hear a vehicle off of them, or 823 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 1: and we're able to use that wallow to kind of 824 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,240 Speaker 1: jump jump start, And then when they all current bugling, 825 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: I always kind of try to think, like where are they, um, 826 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: you know, if we haven't seen him in the morning 827 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: or in the evening, Like I'm looking, I'm looking at hillsides, 828 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: I'm looking for um dark timber patches, maybe a little 829 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: bit more mellow than than the rest of the train 830 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: around it. UM two eighteen, Idaho. We we threw a 831 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,399 Speaker 1: dart of the map, ended up in a brand new unit, 832 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: never been there. And one of the most frustrating things 833 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 1: for me right off the bat is spotting an elk 834 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: with your binoculars five yards away and then us just 835 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,839 Speaker 1: we we know they didn't see us. They just came 836 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: out in an opening. We will vehicle, you'll hear them, 837 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: or you'll you'll see them look at you and they 838 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: won't make a peep. And you've already made vegles before 839 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,280 Speaker 1: that because you were just trying to sound check in area, 840 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 1: and so we were kind of in in this um, 841 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,919 Speaker 1: you know, like what the heck there's And it wasn't 842 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: just one, it was multiples like, I felt like we 843 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,360 Speaker 1: were in a very good spot with a good density 844 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: of elk, but yet they just would not answer and 845 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 1: and wouldn't answer. The next day they wouldn't answer. You know, 846 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: they would answer a little bit better at night. But 847 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: it made it very, very difficult, and you had almost 848 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 1: zero confidence that you weren't walking by elk. And one 849 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,839 Speaker 1: of the things we did, UM dialed up on X 850 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: whatever mapping you do. We looked for you know, steep 851 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: you know, north facing stuff that was in the shade 852 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 1: very you know, it was a hot, hot season, all 853 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: the all the stuff above tree line was dried out, 854 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: no food, so we just kind of felt like, oh, like, 855 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: where are they gonna be? Where should we go check? 856 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: And so what we did is we started you know, 857 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,399 Speaker 1: getting into those areas more early morning, which I would 858 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 1: say those would be areas we avoid because we couldn't 859 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: glass into them. And UM, by doing that, just looking 860 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: for you know, thicker timber, better shade, you know, better 861 00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 1: betting on the north side. They weren't even utilizing the 862 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,800 Speaker 1: south outside for food or any of the open meadows. 863 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: They were just kind of hanging out in the timber, 864 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: surviving in there because you know, and that was one 865 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 1: of those tips that we just kind of had to 866 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 1: adapt from where the elk probably wanted to be, but 867 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 1: due to the temperature um you know, and then not biggling, 868 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: we just had to go get into their lap, you know, 869 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: and go where they were and they were spending a 870 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: lot of and once we found them, it was almost easy, like, hey, 871 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 1: any any north facing slope with shade with some sort 872 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: of bench or or bull is holding the elk and 873 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: where they just ask you where that was that? Did 874 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: that move make getting close to those elk on those 875 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,320 Speaker 1: kind of slopes, did that make them more responsive to calling? 876 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: Or was that just basically a sneak in and here's 877 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: your chance kind of stuff. No, I'm I'm not the 878 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,720 Speaker 1: most sneaky guy, Trent. So we used once we once 879 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,360 Speaker 1: once we found them, we would just kind of slowly 880 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 1: turn the temperature up. We we've talked about on this 881 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 1: podcast a lot before. Um we talked about turning the 882 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 1: temperature up on elk because a lot of times when 883 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 1: you get into these elk that weren't bigging a lot 884 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: on their own, they're just now truly um, you know, 885 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 1: hesitant to vehicle. They're not super fired up. They just 886 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,720 Speaker 1: kind of it's a whole hum. You know, I always 887 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: think of it like or um if he was an elk, 888 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: like you know, do to do? You know, they just 889 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: they just they answer when they want. They don't really 890 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: get aggressive. But we would slowly turn the pace up 891 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,439 Speaker 1: on him. We would you know, calcol maybe a little 892 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,759 Speaker 1: light vehicle, and then we'd slowly get more aggressive and 893 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: we could eventually get that bull fired up. Um. On 894 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: the fourth or fifth day, we were able to take 895 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: an exceptional ball out of this unit, especially for this unit, 896 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: and um, we just slow played him and we ended 897 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,280 Speaker 1: up they were they were feeding a little bit lower 898 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: on the north slope and they were coming back up 899 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: to their bed and we were able to get him. 900 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,839 Speaker 1: Um all sorts of ticked off, and you know, it's 901 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: kind of some We got this one on video, really 902 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,839 Speaker 1: cool video. He kind of just finally gets so mad 903 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: at us. He just like barrels through you know, an 904 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 1: impenetrable wall of brush and we we get like a 905 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,799 Speaker 1: ten yard shot on him. But um, yeah, it was 906 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 1: in that base in that day, that area had multiple 907 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: heard bowls just screaming in it, and so it was 908 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 1: just a you know, not our typical spot, not our 909 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: typical strategy where we typically want to find elk. But um, 910 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,319 Speaker 1: you know they were being quiet. It was hot out 911 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 1: and we just had to go find him. And you know, 912 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 1: we had to go find where they were. Um, and 913 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 1: and that's what worked for us. Uh. Next question for 914 00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: you you're out there? UM, what what sign you? I 915 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 1: mean typically sounds like you're on elk in the morning 916 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: or night. But what are you paying attention to? Why 917 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 1: you I always preach you want to be an educated 918 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 1: elk hunter. Um, I maybe over the top, but I'm 919 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 1: paying attention to two tracks in the dust in front 920 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,359 Speaker 1: of me, you know, on the trail, or I'm paying 921 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 1: attention to where multiple elk may have crossed the path 922 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,239 Speaker 1: I'm on. UM, you know scat rubs, fresh rubs, you 923 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 1: know wallows that are mudded up, all of this stuff. 924 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,840 Speaker 1: I'm like constantly just building on uh and trying to 925 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 1: put together a game plan. What are you looking for? 926 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: What's most important? Why you're out there hunting to kind 927 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:07,440 Speaker 1: of um you draw the roadmap to your success. I 928 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 1: guess similar to you. I mean the biggest thing is 929 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 1: just looking for for freshness. Of course, UM, rubs you 930 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,960 Speaker 1: know tells me that there's bowls in the area that 931 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 1: um are acting ready UM, And then I guess just 932 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: to even go along with that, a little same thing 933 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,520 Speaker 1: with you know, lots of tracks or even even lack 934 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,880 Speaker 1: of human presence, I guess is a lot of what 935 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 1: I look for inside. If I'm the only boots on 936 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,760 Speaker 1: the trail, or or that's walked in onto a point 937 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 1: to call from, or anything like that, that's important to 938 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 1: me too. If I'm seeing fresh elk sign um and 939 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 1: I'm the only one that's been in there, then I know, 940 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 1: at least I've got that spot cornered. And then the 941 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 1: only other thing I guess I can really add to 942 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:54,000 Speaker 1: it is I'll look for like um close together peace spots. 943 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: I know that elk are living in that timber when 944 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,719 Speaker 1: I'm in it, especially when things get tough. Is you know, 945 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 1: walking through the timber, and you'll see even stuff that's 946 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,160 Speaker 1: relatively old a couple of days, you can see where 947 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,840 Speaker 1: elk of pete in the woods, and so UM, I 948 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 1: guess the same as you. I guess I'm always being 949 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,719 Speaker 1: a tentative to but to to explain exactly what I'm 950 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,600 Speaker 1: looking for, I don't know if I can put my 951 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,720 Speaker 1: finger on that necessarily. Yeah, just just all of those 952 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,400 Speaker 1: general things. Um, but yeah, the boot presence is a 953 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,719 Speaker 1: great one that you know, we're also calculating into the 954 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 1: area and and it kind of adds up to what 955 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,120 Speaker 1: I feel, you know, our future success in that area is. 956 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 1: And um, yeah, something that that's very important. Um, if 957 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 1: you can hunt an area that doesn't have other people, UM, 958 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,400 Speaker 1: always like my odds better and in those spots for 959 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 1: sure versus you know, I would Me and Nate Simmons 960 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: talked about this a little bit, like taking our odds 961 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,400 Speaker 1: in an area that it maybe has less elk but 962 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 1: no people, versus an area with lots of people but 963 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,799 Speaker 1: lots of elk. I would almost always pick. I'll take 964 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,840 Speaker 1: less elk with you know, no people or or less people. 965 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: And uh, you know that way, it's truly a game, 966 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 1: you know, you versus yolk versus like you said, the 967 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 1: gamesmanship of how often to beat people to certain areas 968 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,360 Speaker 1: or people making what I consider you know, unethical decisions 969 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 1: are coming in the wrong way with the wind just 970 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,840 Speaker 1: to try to beat you. I'm not interested in and 971 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,880 Speaker 1: hunting that way, um, if at all possible. Yeah, And 972 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,920 Speaker 1: I I've I mean probably like most Elk counters, I 973 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,840 Speaker 1: branched out and found different spots. But it's the spot, 974 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 1: and you probably have some of these two. This is 975 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,799 Speaker 1: the spot I grew up Elk cunning that you know, 976 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 1: you learn every game trail in the place. You know 977 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,360 Speaker 1: where Elk go to bed, you know where that you 978 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,240 Speaker 1: know if they're not in this spot, there in this spot. 979 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,759 Speaker 1: And I spend the vast majority of my September, you know, 980 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 1: within the same general area. And and just the knowledge 981 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,839 Speaker 1: that I have in a place is so hard to leave. 982 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,840 Speaker 1: And that's like when you were talking about, you know, 983 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,040 Speaker 1: when things get tough. Um, to revert back to that 984 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,080 Speaker 1: for just a second. I mean you can almost see 985 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,799 Speaker 1: the the woods leave. You know, people are leaving. It's tough. 986 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,319 Speaker 1: Everybody's everybody's leaving. Almost take that as a positive. You know, 987 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,319 Speaker 1: everybody's leaving and getting out of here. And this is 988 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,279 Speaker 1: my chance to have maybe a little bit more relaxed Elk. 989 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,560 Speaker 1: And although there were a lot of people here, now 990 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,040 Speaker 1: you know, maybe with this lack of presence we can 991 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:10,760 Speaker 1: get something done. Yep, I I like less people, um, 992 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,520 Speaker 1: and I don't. I don't. I've did this long enough 993 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,320 Speaker 1: found enough success that UM. I always try to remember 994 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:18,840 Speaker 1: it just takes one. You know, you can have the 995 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,640 Speaker 1: worst ten days of l hunting followed up by one 996 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,239 Speaker 1: good calling with you know, the bull of your lifetime. UM. 997 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,960 Speaker 1: And it's that simple. And so that's why it's easy, 998 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,880 Speaker 1: you know, seeing it happen and and come to fruition. 999 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,320 Speaker 1: You know, year after year or time after time that 1000 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,839 Speaker 1: it's easy for me to be motivated just because I've 1001 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,439 Speaker 1: seen it happen. But I think you know, everybody else 1002 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,280 Speaker 1: out there that maybe hasn't found a whole lot of success. Um, 1003 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 1: it's easier to to you know, fold up camp and 1004 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,239 Speaker 1: go home, or or to leave an area. And you know, 1005 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,719 Speaker 1: as long as there's elk there, um, and you're hunting, 1006 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:53,120 Speaker 1: there's always a chance. UM. So yeah, and then we've 1007 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,719 Speaker 1: touched on this a little bit earlier trance. UM. You know, 1008 00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,080 Speaker 1: you don't always call UM, and so I want to 1009 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,040 Speaker 1: just get a little bit you're calling strategy and then 1010 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,440 Speaker 1: when you decide not to call, like when the scenario 1011 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,080 Speaker 1: or what what, um, you know adds up to a 1012 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,759 Speaker 1: decision where you're not going to call to a milk 1013 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 1: and you're gonna go spot in stock. I mean, I 1014 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 1: I guess to start, I realized I'm talking with Jason Phelps, 1015 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:21,040 Speaker 1: who made his living making game calls. So, um, I 1016 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,560 Speaker 1: I guess I grew up Well, hey, I grew up 1017 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,799 Speaker 1: as a rifle hunter. I didn't start bow hunting milk 1018 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 1: until I was like seventeen years old, so I really 1019 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,440 Speaker 1: didn't have any very many calling skills at all. Um, 1020 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,279 Speaker 1: And it's just kind of you know, it comes as 1021 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,080 Speaker 1: as you start bow hunting. But I always just kind 1022 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,000 Speaker 1: of got in my head that, um, the best chance 1023 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,800 Speaker 1: I had to kill a bull was when they didn't 1024 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,000 Speaker 1: know you were there. And I still abide by that. Uh. 1025 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,600 Speaker 1: You know a lot of the time I think if 1026 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,640 Speaker 1: I don't make that bowl make a decision whether he's 1027 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,960 Speaker 1: got to come and go, I think my chances are 1028 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,759 Speaker 1: pretty high. A lot of times, you know, just in 1029 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,040 Speaker 1: the woods, that's impossible to do. So I just feeled 1030 00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:01,040 Speaker 1: a situation out basically by that, like can I locate 1031 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,200 Speaker 1: that bowl and sneak my way in and kill him? 1032 00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,839 Speaker 1: You know? Starting from there, all the way to doing 1033 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,880 Speaker 1: is this dude in thick cover and I've got to 1034 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,640 Speaker 1: get in there, and he's got cows and I'm gonna 1035 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,279 Speaker 1: have to be rip a bugle in his face and 1036 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:12,960 Speaker 1: get him fired up and have him come fight me. 1037 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,680 Speaker 1: So I just let the terrain basically, you know, lead 1038 00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,120 Speaker 1: me to what I have to do. If I feel 1039 00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,400 Speaker 1: like I cannot get any closer, you know, hey, if 1040 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:22,960 Speaker 1: I don't know where this bull is, I'm gonna have 1041 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,640 Speaker 1: to make him make some noise and then be If 1042 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,120 Speaker 1: I can't get any closer, you know, the terrain's wide 1043 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,239 Speaker 1: open or or the timbers wide open or whatever, and 1044 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to call to him, then that's how 1045 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:36,080 Speaker 1: I'll do it that way. But that's about as difficult 1046 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:41,239 Speaker 1: as I make my decision making. Yeah, So let me 1047 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,200 Speaker 1: ask you a different question. Have you found that you 1048 00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,760 Speaker 1: know more your your more mature bulls have come, are you? 1049 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,320 Speaker 1: You know, I've heard a lot of people, you know, 1050 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,400 Speaker 1: Nate Simmons, um, you know, there's Chuck Adams, some of 1051 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,799 Speaker 1: these guys that don't call as much as I do, 1052 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,920 Speaker 1: you know, and some guys saying that they've killed their 1053 00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,719 Speaker 1: bigger bulls or they're better bulls. Have you found that 1054 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,040 Speaker 1: you're able to not call in some of these bigger 1055 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,719 Speaker 1: you know more um, I would say educated herd bulls 1056 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,120 Speaker 1: or have you not found that to be the case, 1057 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,440 Speaker 1: or have you or have you found more success spot 1058 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:14,040 Speaker 1: in stalking these you know, larger, more mature bulls. Um. 1059 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,400 Speaker 1: The first big bull I killed was purely spot in stock. 1060 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,200 Speaker 1: I spotted him an open terrain and stocked in there. 1061 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,960 Speaker 1: But probably the most memorable I've killed six by seven 1062 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,400 Speaker 1: was a mix and I I kinda I learned this 1063 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,759 Speaker 1: ball through screwing up on him basically for three years 1064 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,839 Speaker 1: straight with a bow and a rifle. I mean, he 1065 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,600 Speaker 1: was in, like we've mentioned, a heavily hunted unit, but 1066 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,279 Speaker 1: he was secretive when he needed to be and knew 1067 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,879 Speaker 1: how to how to survive. So I called that bull 1068 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,360 Speaker 1: in and and just I mean, this is just a 1069 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,560 Speaker 1: case where I learned one elk, and this one elk 1070 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,200 Speaker 1: has helped me so tremendously on learning everything as a whole, 1071 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,920 Speaker 1: as far as hunting other bulls. But called him in, 1072 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,840 Speaker 1: and just immediately could see the demeanor about how this 1073 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,279 Speaker 1: elk acted when I didn't call. You know, he was 1074 00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,360 Speaker 1: kind of happy, go lucky and bugling at will. And 1075 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,200 Speaker 1: then when I called, they'd shut up and he'd sneak 1076 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:02,799 Speaker 1: in for a look. And I had him sneak in 1077 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,640 Speaker 1: like two or three different times. And so I guess 1078 00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,880 Speaker 1: just as the day's hunting and progressed, I got quieter 1079 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,319 Speaker 1: on my end. I learned him more and more, and 1080 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,600 Speaker 1: he had a relatively big hair macows and and so 1081 00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,160 Speaker 1: I think a lot of how I approach l cutting 1082 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,920 Speaker 1: now is just due to that bowl and the decisions 1083 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,520 Speaker 1: I made and watching him respond to my calling. Um, 1084 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,840 Speaker 1: and then ultimately kind of doing a mix. I guess 1085 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,840 Speaker 1: as far as that bull's concerns, I did call to 1086 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,400 Speaker 1: him quite regularly to get him to answer me, and 1087 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,719 Speaker 1: I did call him in a couple of times, but 1088 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:38,120 Speaker 1: you know, the shooting opportunity just never presented itself. And then, um, 1089 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,920 Speaker 1: I guess, just a few other bulls scattered through the years, 1090 00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,920 Speaker 1: my calls were more based on timing than they were 1091 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:49,000 Speaker 1: anything else. I mean, I know, in one instance, um, 1092 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,080 Speaker 1: I heard a bull bugling in the bottom and all 1093 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,560 Speaker 1: I did was let out a couple of cow calls 1094 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,600 Speaker 1: he and he crashed right in and and I killed 1095 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,600 Speaker 1: him at nineteen yards. And you know, that's one of 1096 00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,480 Speaker 1: those days where you think elk cutting is the easiest 1097 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,480 Speaker 1: thing you've ever done, where the entire year that never happened. Well, 1098 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,880 Speaker 1: as I'm you know, kind of tracking this bull around 1099 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,160 Speaker 1: and he's alone. I think it was September twenty one, 1100 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,080 Speaker 1: snow on the ground. I couldn't figure out why this 1101 00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,319 Speaker 1: bull was by himself. I ran into fresh cow and 1102 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,000 Speaker 1: calf tracks, and what I gat you know, what I 1103 00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:16,920 Speaker 1: kind of put together in my mind was those elk 1104 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,959 Speaker 1: were down there feeding the cow and calf took off 1105 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,560 Speaker 1: up the mountain, and we're ahead of this bowl, and 1106 00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,719 Speaker 1: I just happened to interject myself right in the middle, 1107 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,239 Speaker 1: let out some perfectly time calls, and he came in 1108 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,960 Speaker 1: and you know, died at my arrow. So I guess, 1109 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,800 Speaker 1: you know, to sum it all up, it's it's always 1110 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,520 Speaker 1: a mix for me. I'll spot and stock him what 1111 00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,400 Speaker 1: I need to and and and call to him what 1112 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,560 Speaker 1: I need to as well. Yeah, and and why I 1113 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,279 Speaker 1: like to go out there and call. Um, I'm not 1114 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,480 Speaker 1: above you know, if a certain bull in a certain 1115 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,960 Speaker 1: area allows me to spot and stock, I'm not above 1116 00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,560 Speaker 1: you know, just doing what's needed. There are times and 1117 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,200 Speaker 1: you have to make that decision for yourself. But um, 1118 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,319 Speaker 1: I'd much rather than come in screaming, but also recognize 1119 00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,680 Speaker 1: there's a lot of good elk hunters, you know, Brian Barney, 1120 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,799 Speaker 1: you know, said there's a up of them that that 1121 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,200 Speaker 1: they just don't like to touch calls for the same 1122 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,520 Speaker 1: thing that you said, they would rather not ever let 1123 00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,160 Speaker 1: that bowl know that there, you know, they exist or 1124 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,480 Speaker 1: there on the ground. And I use a lot of 1125 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,440 Speaker 1: that all up until the point where we do call, 1126 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, we kind of call shock and awe where 1127 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,880 Speaker 1: that bowl hopefully we haven't called for the last twenty 1128 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,719 Speaker 1: thirty minutes, forty hour or whatever it may be. Or 1129 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,400 Speaker 1: ideally if we don't need to call, it even locate 1130 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,120 Speaker 1: and we won't make a peep until we're you know, 1131 00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,440 Speaker 1: forty fifty yards from them, and then we just hammer 1132 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,560 Speaker 1: them with the bugle. If the situation allows. Now, if 1133 00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,239 Speaker 1: we can spot in stock, we might not ever make 1134 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,960 Speaker 1: a call and continue on. So um, I think the 1135 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:42,960 Speaker 1: the ability to remain you know, uh silent and and 1136 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,640 Speaker 1: not put you know, make that bowl aware of your 1137 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:50,880 Speaker 1: your your location or your existence is to our advantage 1138 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,000 Speaker 1: no matter what we're hunting, no matter what approach we're 1139 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,279 Speaker 1: gonna take. Yeah, and there could be ways where you know, 1140 00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,919 Speaker 1: there's there's multiple ways to to kill an elk when 1141 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,960 Speaker 1: when everything's right, and I think it just comes down 1142 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,960 Speaker 1: to what you have confidence in. If me and you 1143 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,200 Speaker 1: were hutting the same bowl, you know, I might choose 1144 00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,080 Speaker 1: to just stuck in where you might choose to start 1145 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,160 Speaker 1: your playbook at him. And that's just you know, the 1146 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,040 Speaker 1: difference between two guys hunting elk. And you've got to 1147 00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,960 Speaker 1: do what you're what you're confident in in the end, 1148 00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:14,879 Speaker 1: whatever you think is going to give you the best 1149 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:21,560 Speaker 1: chance of success. Yep, yep. Develop your own strategy, your 1150 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,080 Speaker 1: own skill set, what you're confident in, and and and 1151 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:37,600 Speaker 1: rock that. In closing, trying if you had one tip 1152 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,080 Speaker 1: to help l hunters be successful this year, what would 1153 00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:45,600 Speaker 1: it be? I think my tip is mostly I guess 1154 00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,200 Speaker 1: a mental tip, and that just because I've seen it 1155 00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,319 Speaker 1: go the other way so many times and to try 1156 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,720 Speaker 1: and harness this whole the el cunning success is tough, 1157 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,520 Speaker 1: and so I just think if if a person, especially 1158 00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,120 Speaker 1: if they're new at L cutting, if you can get 1159 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,560 Speaker 1: if you can gain confidence from the things that this 1160 00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:04,240 Speaker 1: is necessarily didn't go your way. So the line between 1161 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,839 Speaker 1: you know, when you have that close encounter, the line 1162 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,800 Speaker 1: between success and not being successful is so thin. Sometimes 1163 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,080 Speaker 1: it's you know, you set up barely wrong. Sometimes you 1164 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,680 Speaker 1: could have done everything right and the bowl just you know, 1165 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,719 Speaker 1: just came in at at the wrong spot. Uh. But 1166 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,919 Speaker 1: just if you're able to just take a step back 1167 00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,560 Speaker 1: that stuff that's frustrating where you think maybe that was 1168 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,480 Speaker 1: your opportunity and that was your chance and you let 1169 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,799 Speaker 1: it get away. If you can harness that and use 1170 00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,200 Speaker 1: that to gain success or gain confidence and excuse me, 1171 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna be a whole lot better elk hunter because 1172 00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:36,960 Speaker 1: of it. If you can figure out, you know, look 1173 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,200 Speaker 1: back on that and tweak your set up a little bit, 1174 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:40,919 Speaker 1: figure out what you need to do to kill that elk. 1175 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,920 Speaker 1: But take that, you know, memory as as a positive 1176 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,280 Speaker 1: and not a negative. I think that you know, that helps. 1177 00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:48,960 Speaker 1: That helps me out when I kind of figured out 1178 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,879 Speaker 1: to do that, and I think it will other people too. Yeah, 1179 00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,920 Speaker 1: that's a great tip and and something that that I 1180 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,279 Speaker 1: did as well. I really appreciate having you on here, 1181 00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,279 Speaker 1: trent Um. It's been a great com station. Good luck 1182 00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,200 Speaker 1: this fall, and as always appreciate talking el hunting with you. 1183 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,799 Speaker 1: Thanks Jason. I hope I hope people can get out 1184 00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,080 Speaker 1: of this. I hope I didn't stutter too much, and 1185 00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,160 Speaker 1: I hope it was enjoyable for everybody to listen. I 1186 00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:16,680 Speaker 1: know you're you're you're good. We appreciate having you, Trent, 1187 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:29,000 Speaker 1: and uh, well, we'll catch up later. Thank you. M 1188 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:39,200 Speaker 1: hm hm