WEBVTT - #794 Packers Unscripted: Ground and pound

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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<v Speaker 1>Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spafford, joined as always

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<v Speaker 1>by my trust in colleague Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to

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<v Speaker 1>you hear from our studios at Lambeufield to talk about Wes.

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<v Speaker 1>A very uplifting victory by the Packers in Week two

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<v Speaker 1>in the home opener, sixteen to ten was the final

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<v Speaker 1>score over the Indianapolis Colts. And I'll just start by

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<v Speaker 1>saying this. When you're taking the field with a backup

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback and you're talking about a victory, and one of

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<v Speaker 1>the first things that comes to mind is the game

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<v Speaker 1>was actually kind of closer than it should have been.

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<v Speaker 1>A team that won the game really did something right.

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<v Speaker 2>They sure did, and this was one of the I

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<v Speaker 2>think finest coaching jobs at Laflor and his staff have done.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, this was one of the most well executed

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<v Speaker 2>game plans that I think I've witnessed during my time

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<v Speaker 2>on the beat. And while there were some mistakes, it

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<v Speaker 2>was not completely a clean football game. This Green Bay

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<v Speaker 2>Packers team played well enough that those didn't even factor

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<v Speaker 2>into the overall outcome of the game. They took the

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<v Speaker 2>ball away, They dominated time of possession. They ran the

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<v Speaker 2>ball at an historic rate, more than they have in

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<v Speaker 2>the last forty six years in a game. Oh and then,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, Malik Willis, who has been a Green

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<v Speaker 2>Bay Packer now for all of three weeks, comes in

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<v Speaker 2>manages the game plan, and then in the second half,

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<v Speaker 2>when the Indianapolis Colts make some adjustments, he makes some

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<v Speaker 2>big time throws on his own to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>continue to push this pace for the Packers. This was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most complete overall victories that I think

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<v Speaker 2>I've witnessed during my time on the beat, and the

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<v Speaker 2>Green Bay Packers did it without Jordan Love on the field.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The level of set satisfaction. I mentioned this an

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<v Speaker 1>insider inbox. The level of satisfaction, the thrill that a

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<v Speaker 1>coaching staff and the players for that matter, must feel

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<v Speaker 1>when when a game plan is executed so well right

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<v Speaker 1>out of the gate and is so successful for such

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<v Speaker 1>a large part of the game that you never have

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<v Speaker 1>to deviate from it, You never really have to turn

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<v Speaker 1>the page to play and b or anything. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers came into this game wanting to run the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>They ended up running it fifty three times for two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and sixty one yards. As you said, historic in

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<v Speaker 1>the sense of the fifty three carries the most since

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy eight, I believe in a game, and the

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and sixty one yards the most in about

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years or so. But they never they never had to,

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<v Speaker 1>they never had to really go to an alternative game

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<v Speaker 1>plan because it was working so well and it created

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<v Speaker 1>that massive time of possession advantage, more than twenty minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>almost twenty and a half minutes advantage in time of possession.

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<v Speaker 1>And quite frankly I mentioned this in the column as well.

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing that kept the Indianapolis Colts in the

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<v Speaker 1>game was when Josh Jacobs fumbled at the goal line

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<v Speaker 1>as the Packers are headed in to go up seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>to nothing on their third offensive possession. That doesn't happen.

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<v Speaker 1>It stays ten to nothing, and you know, the game

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers never really put.

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<v Speaker 2>The game away.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that was that was really the one most

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<v Speaker 1>regrettable mistake. But hats off to Josh Jacobs man, I

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<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, the fumble is unfortunate. He knows it

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<v Speaker 1>can't happen, but eighty five degrees out there at lambeau Field.

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<v Speaker 1>He toted that rock thirty two times for one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty one yards. You talk about call it belcow,

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<v Speaker 1>call it workhorse, you know, whatever phrase you want to use.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as what Josh Jacobs meant to this offense

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<v Speaker 1>on Sunday, the fumble is really too bad because otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>we'd be talking about an all time great performance by

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<v Speaker 1>a Green Bay Packers running back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I would actually be thinking too, a man,

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<v Speaker 2>if they do end up punching that ball in there

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<v Speaker 2>and go up seventeen to nothing, where that game could

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<v Speaker 2>have potentially oh on at that point, because that might

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<v Speaker 2>have actually been the backbreaker for the Colts. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that actually gave them back a little bit of momentum,

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<v Speaker 2>and obviously they put up some points after that. All

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<v Speaker 2>that being said, Mike, the fact that Josh Jacobs, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's proven it several times, this wasn't even his career high.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a thirty three carry game during his time

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<v Speaker 2>with the Raiders in twenty twenty two. But the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that he put himself physically in a position to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to do that after there were a couple injury

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<v Speaker 2>things during camp. There was another injury thing at the

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<v Speaker 2>start of the season, but was able to manage himself

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<v Speaker 2>and stay out there and be as explosive as he

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<v Speaker 2>was in that game plan. Again, it reminded me of

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<v Speaker 2>my days covering high school football in that a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of times there wasn't a lot of throwing going on

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<v Speaker 2>in the Northeastern Wisconsin football So what you would do

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<v Speaker 2>is you have to get creative with your schemes. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to give them different looks. The Green Bay Packers

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<v Speaker 2>built multiple looks off of all of their runs, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it was getting Jaden Reid involved now in that pony package,

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<v Speaker 2>he's back there alongside Josh Shacops. Read even said that

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<v Speaker 2>was probably the most running back he's played since high school.

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<v Speaker 2>In that game, you had Bo Melton using his speed

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<v Speaker 2>on a reverse. You had so many different things that

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<v Speaker 2>were built off of what Josh Shacops did. But at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, if you don't block the

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<v Speaker 2>way the Packers blocked, and Jacobs doesn't have the vision

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<v Speaker 2>that he has where he could take a two yard

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<v Speaker 2>run and turn it into a thirty four yard bust.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it was incredible to watch seeing his jump

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<v Speaker 2>style and some of the things that he does well,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a premium performance out of him, and when

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<v Speaker 2>the Green Bay Packers went out there and they invested

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<v Speaker 2>that money into him, this is exactly what they were

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about a game where it needed to be on

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<v Speaker 2>his shoulders.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Jacob's vision and footwork are impressive to watch, especially

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<v Speaker 1>watching from up in the press box where we get

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<v Speaker 1>a wider view. We get a broader view of the

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<v Speaker 1>field than the folks watching on TV. He always sees

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<v Speaker 1>where the space is and then it's a matter of

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<v Speaker 1>it's a matter of some really really nifty quick footwork

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to get himself to get his body

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<v Speaker 1>in position to hit that space, and then he's able

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<v Speaker 1>to hit it with some force because because of the acceleration.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really it was really fun to watch and

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully thirty two carries on an eighty five degree day

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<v Speaker 1>in week two didn't wear them out too much, because

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers are certainly going to would love to see

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<v Speaker 1>more performances like that. But you hinted at it as

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<v Speaker 1>well talking about some of the other guys the Packers.

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<v Speaker 1>What turned out to be the Packers only touchdown drive

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<v Speaker 1>of this game. Six different people, including quarterback Malik Willis,

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<v Speaker 1>had rushing attempts on one touchdown drive six different guys.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a mentality that the Packers were going to

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<v Speaker 1>come in and run it, and you know the old

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Tyson saying, everybody's got a plan until they get

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<v Speaker 1>punched in the mouth right. Well, quite frankly, the Indianapolis

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<v Speaker 1>Colts never threw a punch because the Packers defense then

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<v Speaker 1>kept the Colts out of the kept him off the

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<v Speaker 1>scoreboard for the first forty minutes of the game, kept

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<v Speaker 1>him out of the end zone for the first fifty

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<v Speaker 1>eight minutes of the game. Unfortunately, it did come down

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<v Speaker 1>to a hail mary. The Colts got a shot at

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<v Speaker 1>a hail mary after scoring a touchdown, getting the ball

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<v Speaker 1>back one last time and then actually making their way

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<v Speaker 1>out close to midfield where they had a shot of

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<v Speaker 1>the hail mary, and then Evan Williams gets the interception

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<v Speaker 1>for the third takeaway to seal the game. But other

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<v Speaker 1>than you know, nitpicking here and there, you couldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>asked for this game to go any better for the

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<v Speaker 1>Packers with it being not only Malik Willis's first start

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<v Speaker 1>in place of Jordan Loven. We'll see if that has

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<v Speaker 1>to happen again. But the fact that that Willis had

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<v Speaker 1>just walked into the building less than three weeks ago

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<v Speaker 1>and has been you know, I mean, call it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>cram session, crash course, whatever you want to say, in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of trying to learn what he can of the

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<v Speaker 1>basics of the offense and then digest a game plan,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to get ready to take on somebody for

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<v Speaker 1>real right away in week two with Jordan Love being injured.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a lot that went into this victory. And

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers don't get to celebrated anymore. It's onto the

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<v Speaker 1>Tennessee Titans right after twenty four hours. But there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to be proud of what they accomplished on Sunday well.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can even hear it in Matt Lafleur's voice

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<v Speaker 2>and in his words after the game. You know, he

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<v Speaker 2>talked for eighteen minutes or whatever it was, and just

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<v Speaker 2>the excitement and just the effusive praise that he showered

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<v Speaker 2>on Willis. To be able to handle everything the Green

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<v Speaker 2>Bay Packers were throwing at him and to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to manage that out on the field. It's one thing

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to sit in the classroom and to

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<v Speaker 2>learn the playbook and understand what the checks and the

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<v Speaker 2>motions and everything are going to be. It's another thing

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<v Speaker 2>when you're out there and all that stuff has to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to have that, you know, that's energy between

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<v Speaker 2>all the positions. And I can't say enough about Wilson.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought the cool thing about it was after he

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<v Speaker 2>only had twenty five passing yards in the first half,

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<v Speaker 2>the second half, he was able to flash the arm

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit. He was able to put the ball

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<v Speaker 2>out there to allow his receivers to make plays. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's the exciting thing. I think this young man showed

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<v Speaker 2>in this matchup that there's still a lot of potential here.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever happened in Tennessee happened. Now he's a Green Bay Packer.

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<v Speaker 2>Now he's the backup quarterback. In his disposition, it mirrors

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<v Speaker 2>so closely to Jordan Love and that he's a leader.

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<v Speaker 2>People rally to him. But he's not a bombastic personality.

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<v Speaker 2>He's very straightforward and he said it himself at his

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<v Speaker 2>postgame press conference. It was going to be everybody pulling

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<v Speaker 2>together to find a way to win this game. They

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<v Speaker 2>did exactly that. I thought. Adam Stenovich, Matt Lafleur, Tom clements,

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<v Speaker 2>the whole group being able to build this thing around

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<v Speaker 2>him and allow him to get comfortable. If it is

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<v Speaker 2>Malik willis going up against his former team this upcoming weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>he is going to be a better quarterback in that

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<v Speaker 2>game because everything that happened in that matchup against the Titans,

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<v Speaker 2>and the last thing I will just quickly say here,

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<v Speaker 2>this thing does not happen the way it happened. If

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<v Speaker 2>two things don't happen, the Packers stay in positive down

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<v Speaker 2>in distance, no negative yardage plays, you are not going

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to implement a run heavy game plan

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<v Speaker 2>if you're going to be pushed back. It happened once

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<v Speaker 2>in that game, a holding penalty brought it back to

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<v Speaker 2>first and twenty and Josh Jacobs broke a thirty four

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<v Speaker 2>yard game to get it right back. Yep, it does

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<v Speaker 2>not work that way in the National Football League, but

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<v Speaker 2>it happened there. The right breaks happen. But conversely, Mike, defensively,

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<v Speaker 2>there is so much selflessness that happened on that side

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<v Speaker 2>of the ball. Understanding, after everything that happened against Jalen Hurts,

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't able to pin their ears back like we

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about. They had to implement a very similar

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<v Speaker 2>pass rush plan. The guys did that. And while you

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<v Speaker 2>still have some stuff to clean up with the run

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<v Speaker 2>defense and some of the explosive plays, that was a

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<v Speaker 2>very dangerous live opponent you were facing. And Anthony Richardson

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<v Speaker 2>can go off at any time, just ask the Houston Texans.

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<v Speaker 2>The Green Bay Packers defense didn't allow him to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one last quick note on Willis. He was only

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<v Speaker 1>asked to throw the ball fourteen times, twelve completions, only

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<v Speaker 1>two incompletions, never put a ball in harm's way by

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<v Speaker 1>any stretch. All the all of the fakes and the

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<v Speaker 1>handoffs and the motions and all that, he handled all

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<v Speaker 1>of it with a blomb. And as you said, some

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<v Speaker 1>key third down throws the you know third and five

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it was, and he gets the one on

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<v Speaker 1>one coverage outside with Romeo Dobbs puts it up there,

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<v Speaker 1>gives eighty seven a chance to make the play and

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<v Speaker 1>Dobbs makes a fantastic catch, another clutch. Third down, he

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<v Speaker 1>hits Tucker Kraft where Craft is you know, blocking his

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<v Speaker 1>butt off all game long, and then he finally gets

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<v Speaker 1>that opportunity to you know, fake the block, get out

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<v Speaker 1>there in the route and then boom, Willis puts it

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<v Speaker 1>right on him converts a big third down that leads

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<v Speaker 1>to some points there. So Willis did everything he had

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<v Speaker 1>to do with regard to the defense, as you said

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<v Speaker 1>it was they had to they had to approach the

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback the same way or a very similar way that

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<v Speaker 1>they did against Philly with Anthony Richardson in his running ability.

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<v Speaker 1>The bottom line is, yes, the Packers only have what

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<v Speaker 1>is it, three sacks defensively through the first two games,

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<v Speaker 1>but two dual threat quarterbacks in Jalen Hurts and Anthony

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<v Speaker 1>Richardson have combined for I believe seventy rushing yards in

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<v Speaker 1>those two games.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're the.

0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Packers' defense, you take that because those guys didn't hurt

0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:35.200
<v Speaker 1>you with their legs, and quite frankly, it wasn't until

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<v Speaker 1>that last on the final final drive, the scramble up

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<v Speaker 1>the sideline where Richardson got you know, twenty twenty yards

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<v Speaker 1>or twenty one yards whatever it was, that he even

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<v Speaker 1>got over twenty yards rushing in the game because the

0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Packers stayed disciplined enough up front where they weren't worried

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<v Speaker 1>about getting the sacks They're running a lot of stunts,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the ends and the defensive tackles. They're running

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of stunts play after but it's running stunts

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<v Speaker 1>and staying in the rushing lanes, not running stunts to go,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, with total abandon after the quarterback. And it

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<v Speaker 1>takes a lot of discipline to be able to play

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<v Speaker 1>that way, and they and they did that. The other

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<v Speaker 1>guy that we have to talk about on defense, and

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about him in training camp, but I want

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<v Speaker 1>to make reference to something that we had talked about

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<v Speaker 1>back then, but veteran linebacker Eric Wilson man eight snaps.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy got eight defensive snaps in this game. And

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<v Speaker 1>he forces a fumble over by the sideline, which unfortunately

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<v Speaker 1>then was knocked out of bounds and the Packers didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really have a shot to recover it. He is in

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<v Speaker 1>there for a third and one, a key third and one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually the first play of the fourth quarter, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Colts kind of get tricky with a little option

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<v Speaker 1>look that they hadn't shown all game long. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Taylor was trace sermon in the back field. Eric

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson plays it absolutely perfectly, plays it expertly, and helps

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<v Speaker 1>to string out that option play and the other teammates

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<v Speaker 1>kind of rally there and the Packers get a big

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<v Speaker 1>stop which which actually becomes a tackle for loss by

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<v Speaker 1>Xavier McKinney, and then the missfield goal and then lo

0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:24.360
<v Speaker 1>and behold. Eric Wilson also gets an interception on a

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<v Speaker 1>slanter and in cut whatever you want to call it,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't do much more on defense in eight snaps

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<v Speaker 1>than what Eric Wilson did in this game on.

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<v Speaker 2>Some and that interception was one of the very few,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the ten plays where Greevey was actually playing base

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<v Speaker 2>defense and he gets matched up with Michael Pittman Junior,

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<v Speaker 2>and he even said, I've asked him about that in

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<v Speaker 2>the locker room afterwards, and he said, you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>know you're up against skill, and you know you got

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<v Speaker 2>to hang in there and being able to keep the

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<v Speaker 2>inside leverage. It was a bad mistake by Richardson. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a bad decision by Richardson.

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<v Speaker 1>He probably, I think when I looked at it on

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<v Speaker 1>the film, I think he thought Wilson was going to

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<v Speaker 1>peel off into the flat yep and then that that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, slant or the seam there with Pittman was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be open, but Wilson stuck with Pittman and

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<v Speaker 1>Richardson had already decided that's where he was going with

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<v Speaker 1>the ball, and he threw a pass that he never

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<v Speaker 1>should have thrown.

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<v Speaker 2>And the part that impressed me was Eric caught that ball. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there is nothing about Anthony Richardson. When he throws the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>He gets every ounce of velocity out of that football.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he throws it hard, and you can see

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<v Speaker 2>why this guy is going to be a real dangerous threat,

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<v Speaker 2>I think in no short time here in the National

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<v Speaker 2>Football League because his arm talent mixed with the fact

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<v Speaker 2>he's a six foot three, two hundred and forty four

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<v Speaker 2>pound athlete, I get it. But the thing is that

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<v Speaker 2>why I really like the pass rush plan going back

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<v Speaker 2>to that, he does not have Jalen Hurts his accuracy.

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<v Speaker 2>He is a bit more scattershot in that. The Green

0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:54.240
<v Speaker 2>Bay Packers had the right plan to approach both Hurts

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<v Speaker 2>and Richardson. The only difference was it was more about

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<v Speaker 2>managing risk in plays with Hurts as opposed to Richardson.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the way you need to attack him because

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<v Speaker 2>you need to make sure that he can't escape the pocket.

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<v Speaker 2>To create big plays. That's where Houston really came up

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<v Speaker 2>short when they ruptured for those five or excuse me,

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<v Speaker 2>those three fifty yard connections that almost won the Colts

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<v Speaker 2>the game in the opener.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Bringing it all back around, though, Michael, to Wilson, he

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<v Speaker 2>is the type of player that you need on your

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<v Speaker 2>team to win championships because it can't all be ten

0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.640
<v Speaker 2>million dollars fifteen million dollar linebackers and guys that are

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be You need role players, Guys that are leaders

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<v Speaker 2>on special teams, Guys that know the system and are

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<v Speaker 2>smart enough to be put themselves in a position to

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<v Speaker 2>make those plays, even if it is only eight snaps.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no warm up, there's no tune up. And I

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<v Speaker 2>had asked Wilson in the locker room about that Reid

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<v Speaker 2>option play, and what shows you his experience as an

0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:53.000
<v Speaker 2>eighth year player is that he said he was caught

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<v Speaker 2>off guard by he was surprised by it. He wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>expecting that when Richardson did it, but the base fundamentals

0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.320
<v Speaker 2>and the instincts in his head didn't allow him to

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<v Speaker 2>panic or sell out one particular way.

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<v Speaker 1>He looked like he was absolutely one hundred percent prepared

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<v Speaker 1>that that was the play that was coming at him.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's somewhat stunning to actually hear him say

0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:14.000
<v Speaker 1>he was kind of caught off guard. But as you said,

0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:18.200
<v Speaker 1>it's about it's about fundamentals, it's about sticking to your rules.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about trusting what you know because you've played this

0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:23.879
<v Speaker 1>game for so long and played it at this level

0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:26.879
<v Speaker 1>in the NFL as long as he has. I'm reminded.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is why I remember bringing this up when

0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.520
<v Speaker 1>Eric Wilson was having such a good training camp this summer.

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<v Speaker 1>We're watching this guy going, he's going to be playing

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<v Speaker 1>snaps on defense. This isn't just going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>special teams guy this year. And I was reminded back

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<v Speaker 1>then and I am again now. The Giants game on

0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Monday Night Football last year, Eric Wilson played one snap

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<v Speaker 1>on defense. It was a fourth and short by the

0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.480
<v Speaker 1>New York Giants, and he blew up the play. That

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<v Speaker 1>was the only snap, the only snap on defense he's

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<v Speaker 1>in the game, and he gets the fourth down stop.

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<v Speaker 1>There are very there, I mean count on less than

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<v Speaker 1>one hand guys in the league who can pull that off.

0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:09.840
<v Speaker 1>The Packers have one of them in their locker room,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's pretty special to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>And the fact that it all happened after he forced

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<v Speaker 2>a fumble to start everything, like the Packers don't recover it,

0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:20.600
<v Speaker 2>ball goes out of bound, right, But like Eric Wilson

0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:22.359
<v Speaker 2>was just he was making plays the entire time. They

0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:26.159
<v Speaker 2>played basically nickel this entire game. I think Isaiah McDuffie

0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:29.200
<v Speaker 2>played fifty to fifty six snaps. Obviously, Kaiy Walker was

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<v Speaker 2>out there for all of them. Both Wilson and Edgerrin

0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Cooper just got a handful of snaps and much like

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<v Speaker 2>Cooper did the week earlier, Wilson made each one of

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<v Speaker 2>them count.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, if there's one one thing I would say

0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:42.480
<v Speaker 1>that pops up as a as a concern, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest concern with the Packers defense through two games.

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<v Speaker 1>I know all the fans are talking about where the sacks,

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah. We already explained that the issue that

0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:54.520
<v Speaker 1>the Packers defense really has to take a good hard

0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.200
<v Speaker 1>look at here moving forward is where they are against

0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:01.080
<v Speaker 1>the run. Because Saquon Barkley hunter nine yards, but we

0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:03.080
<v Speaker 1>had talked last week. One of those he busted off

0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:06.439
<v Speaker 1>a thirty four yarder. Other than that one play, they

0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.760
<v Speaker 1>let Barkley out of the gate. You know, they didn't

0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:14.120
<v Speaker 1>let Barkley dominate them. I mean, yes, the Eagles fed

0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:16.560
<v Speaker 1>him the ball quite a bit, but the Packers also

0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:19.399
<v Speaker 1>had quite a few really good stops on Saquon Barkley.

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<v Speaker 1>There was some back and forth, there's some give and

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<v Speaker 1>take there with Barkley, and then he had the one

0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:26.920
<v Speaker 1>big play that put him over one hundred yards. Jonathan

0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Taylor only got the ball twelve times as far as

0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:34.280
<v Speaker 1>handoffs in this game. Five of those west he ran

0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:39.119
<v Speaker 1>for sixteen plus out of twelve carries. So moving forward here,

0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:41.520
<v Speaker 1>the Packers have to look at where they are on

0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:45.639
<v Speaker 1>run defense, and Matt Lafleur he talked about it a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit at his Monday press conference where he felt

0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:54.760
<v Speaker 1>schematically position wise, on a few of those explosive runs

0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:57.280
<v Speaker 1>by Taylor, the Packers were right where they needed to be.

0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:00.959
<v Speaker 1>But then because somebody got over ancient and just you know,

0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:04.119
<v Speaker 1>peeked into the wrong gap or kind of took themselves

0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:06.359
<v Speaker 1>out of position rather than just be patient and to

0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:08.600
<v Speaker 1>hold the point and do your job, then that's how

0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Taylor is able to sneak through there. And credit to

0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:14.119
<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Taylor. He's one of the best out there. He

0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:16.480
<v Speaker 1>does that to a lot of teams. But it is

0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:18.440
<v Speaker 1>something I think the Packers have to look at here

0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:22.640
<v Speaker 1>because through two games there are definitely some questions, what's

0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:23.399
<v Speaker 1>going on against the.

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<v Speaker 2>Wrong Yeah, and I was under no disillusion that Jonathan

0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:29.399
<v Speaker 2>Taylor was going to have the same performance he had

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<v Speaker 2>against the Texans when I think he had maybe a

0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:33.159
<v Speaker 2>long carry of like seventy yards. Yeah, I mean, he

0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:35.280
<v Speaker 2>didn't really get going at all. I figured he'd break

0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.040
<v Speaker 2>a couple. He broke too many, is what the issue

0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:40.120
<v Speaker 2>was in this game. Now, Thankfully for the Packer's sake,

0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:42.480
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't like there was a sixty yard touchdown run

0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:44.800
<v Speaker 2>every single time they responded to it. Big reason why

0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:46.639
<v Speaker 2>they shut them out in the first half was not

0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.400
<v Speaker 2>allowing Taylor to continue to string those up against them.

0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:51.200
<v Speaker 2>You and I were mentioning it in the press box.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, for him to be as successful as he was,

0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:54.919
<v Speaker 2>but then only to rush at twelve times tells you

0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:58.119
<v Speaker 2>two things. One, Green Bay did get some stops in

0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:00.760
<v Speaker 2>there that made him feel not as good about running

0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:02.879
<v Speaker 2>it on second and long or third and long. In

0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:05.359
<v Speaker 2>two they were able to knock them out of their

0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:08.040
<v Speaker 2>rhythm because you want to also get Anthony Richardson going,

0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:10.240
<v Speaker 2>and they didn't allow them to do that a passing

0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:14.000
<v Speaker 2>game or even with Richardson scrambling. But the challenge is

0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:16.440
<v Speaker 2>still there, and they're going to take on a Tennessee

0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:18.560
<v Speaker 2>offense here that has not done a lot right so far.

0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:21.120
<v Speaker 2>But they've ran the ball okay to this point, even

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<v Speaker 2>though they're making this transition without Derrick Henry.

0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:25.760
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, they're making a goal of it with Pollard.

0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:29.360
<v Speaker 1>They are getting picking up Tony Pollard from the Dallas Cowboys.

0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:33.200
<v Speaker 1>It's a different style of running game than Tennessee's had

0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:36.520
<v Speaker 1>compared to Derrick Henry obviously, but you know, the way

0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:38.399
<v Speaker 1>things are going. We'll talk more about it on our

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<v Speaker 1>next show with the Titans, But the way things are

0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:42.639
<v Speaker 1>going with Will Levis at quarterback, I think the Titans

0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:44.760
<v Speaker 1>are going to start leaning on their running game even more.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the Packers are probably gonna have to show

0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:48.160
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more of their base in this one too,

0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:50.639
<v Speaker 2>But again that's neither here nor there at the moment

0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:54.399
<v Speaker 2>as far as this game was concerned. It's tough, Michael,

0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:56.600
<v Speaker 2>because I think it just goes back to show you

0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:59.520
<v Speaker 2>when you establish the run and you set up intention.

0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:01.879
<v Speaker 2>I Dreenbay Packers rush for I believe it was one

0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:04.800
<v Speaker 2>hundred and sixty four yards in the first quarter, which

0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:07.760
<v Speaker 2>was the most that they've generated in any quarter since

0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:11.720
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty five against the Saint Louis Cardinals. They came

0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:17.440
<v Speaker 2>out hard, fast and often, whereas Indianapolis they had some

0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:21.359
<v Speaker 2>really nice runs with Taylor, but just didn't push the

0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:22.080
<v Speaker 2>button on it up.

0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:24.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they could, they couldn't sustain it. I mean that's

0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:25.320
<v Speaker 1>to the Packers credit.

0:22:25.320 --> 0:22:25.840
<v Speaker 2>I thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Defensively, for the explosives the Packers gave up, I thought

0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:32.879
<v Speaker 1>they responded to giving up those explosives and they stemmed

0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:35.320
<v Speaker 1>the tide, which is, you know, the big plays are

0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:37.920
<v Speaker 1>going to happen. I mean, it's an offense oriented league.

0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:41.280
<v Speaker 1>Nobody just you can't just go out and shut anybody

0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:43.520
<v Speaker 1>down if you can, you don't want to give up

0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:45.240
<v Speaker 1>the big plays, But then when you do, can you

0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:48.400
<v Speaker 1>respond to them. That was the biggest positive in this one,

0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:51.520
<v Speaker 1>other than takeaways, of course, the biggest positive in this one,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought for the Packers defense was the way they

0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:57.400
<v Speaker 1>responded to the explosive plays. Because it kept that point

0:22:57.440 --> 0:22:58.520
<v Speaker 1>total for the Colts down.

0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:00.160
<v Speaker 2>And what I'll bring it back to at the end

0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:02.320
<v Speaker 2>of the day was, if you had to eliminate one

0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:05.439
<v Speaker 2>explosive threat from this game, I still would argue that

0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Richardson was the one you needed to do. The problem

0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:10.679
<v Speaker 2>is is that when you had the issues you had

0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:13.119
<v Speaker 2>in the second half against Barclay and you gave up

0:23:13.160 --> 0:23:15.040
<v Speaker 2>as many as explosives on the ground as you did

0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:17.200
<v Speaker 2>to Jonathan Taylor, you put that on film, teams are

0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:18.680
<v Speaker 2>going to look to exploit it, and that's where Green

0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Bay needs to find the response.

0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, and that's what the Colts are going to be

0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:24.240
<v Speaker 1>facing too. But we're not doing Colts unscripted here, man.

0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:27.320
<v Speaker 1>They don't. They've given up four hundred and seventy some

0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:30.960
<v Speaker 1>rushing yards in two games, and absolutely every team they

0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:32.880
<v Speaker 1>face is going to try to run the ball down

0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:34.560
<v Speaker 1>their throat until they can stop it.

0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:36.840
<v Speaker 2>It was wild. I tweeted this out and the game

0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:38.600
<v Speaker 2>moved so fast, so you go past it. But at

0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:40.320
<v Speaker 2>one point in the second quarter, I believe it was

0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:43.000
<v Speaker 2>with eight minutes ago, the Packers already had as many

0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:46.240
<v Speaker 2>rushing yards with eight minutes left in the first half

0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:49.000
<v Speaker 2>two hundred and thirteen as the Colts had allowed in

0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:51.359
<v Speaker 2>Week one, and that was the most that was allowed

0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:54.080
<v Speaker 2>in Week one in an entire game. Yeah, so yeah,

0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:57.000
<v Speaker 2>as far as the statistics go, there's a lot of

0:23:57.000 --> 0:23:59.480
<v Speaker 2>football left to be played. But the Colts in terms

0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:01.280
<v Speaker 2>of where it's gonna be tough to be ranked number

0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:03.720
<v Speaker 2>one and run defense this year after those two games. Yeh.

0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. A couple quick thoughts on special teams before we

0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:12.000
<v Speaker 1>shift gears. Daniel wheel and the Packers punter. What a

0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:14.560
<v Speaker 1>weapon he is turning into. He only had to punt

0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:17.400
<v Speaker 1>the ball three times in this game, but those three

0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:22.159
<v Speaker 1>punts he averaged a forty six yard net no return

0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:24.800
<v Speaker 1>yards whatsoever for the Colts on the three punts, and

0:24:24.840 --> 0:24:29.320
<v Speaker 1>those three punts pinned the Colts at their own sixteen,

0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:33.800
<v Speaker 1>eight and five yard lines. You almost can't have a

0:24:33.840 --> 0:24:37.760
<v Speaker 1>better day as a punter than that. And when the

0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Packers do have to punt, this young man, Daniel Wheelan

0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:45.600
<v Speaker 1>is putting the Packers defense yep, good position. He is

0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:50.080
<v Speaker 1>really helping the field position situation with regard to with

0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:53.440
<v Speaker 1>regard to what Jeff Hafley's crew gets to start with.

0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:56.639
<v Speaker 2>And if I remember right from my story that I

0:24:56.680 --> 0:25:00.920
<v Speaker 2>wrote on our website forty eight hours ago. I believe

0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:04.800
<v Speaker 2>the Colts did not generate any points off of anything

0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:06.840
<v Speaker 2>that came off the foot of Daniel Wheelan.

0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:09.400
<v Speaker 1>They did not those three drives that started at the sixteen,

0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:11.320
<v Speaker 1>the eight, and the five. There were no points scored

0:25:11.359 --> 0:25:13.359
<v Speaker 1>at the end of any of those three drives.

0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:16.720
<v Speaker 2>And there was not one more important than him pinning

0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:19.359
<v Speaker 2>them back at their own five at the end of

0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:22.280
<v Speaker 2>that game. Because Packers did the right thing, they forced

0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:24.080
<v Speaker 2>them to burn their timeouts, they were able to drain

0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:26.080
<v Speaker 2>the clock down. I believe it was forty eight seconds.

0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:30.679
<v Speaker 2>But Indianapolis had a chance, and with that arm, you

0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:32.679
<v Speaker 2>basically just need to get to midfield and you're going

0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:35.200
<v Speaker 2>to get an opportunity. He put them back at the five.

0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:37.719
<v Speaker 2>That's what allowed for a little bit of a rupture

0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:40.000
<v Speaker 2>there with the twenty one yard scamper by Richardson did

0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:41.919
<v Speaker 2>not really hurt you that much. They still had to

0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:44.080
<v Speaker 2>throw again after that to try to get a little

0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:48.040
<v Speaker 2>bit closer for a hail. Mary. Be that as it may. Again,

0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:50.359
<v Speaker 2>bringing back to that conversation I had with Eric Wilson

0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:53.960
<v Speaker 2>talking to him about Daniel Wheelan, the kid has a long,

0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:56.520
<v Speaker 2>powerful leg, and he's learned how to use it. It's

0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:59.679
<v Speaker 2>not just about the gross yardage on it. It's about

0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:02.720
<v Speaker 2>being able to do the Aussie style kicks and directionally

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:04.880
<v Speaker 2>kick it when you're trying to pin him back inside

0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:07.400
<v Speaker 2>the twenty. The one that bounced out at the seven,

0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:09.680
<v Speaker 2>that was done strictly by him. That was it bouncing

0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:12.159
<v Speaker 2>inbounds and then going out of bounce without a return

0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:15.199
<v Speaker 2>on it. Daniel Wheelan has shown a lot of to

0:26:15.320 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 2>nests too for as much power as he has. And

0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:20.000
<v Speaker 2>the Green Bay Packers have been looking for a punter

0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:22.280
<v Speaker 2>for a long time. Mike. It's been throughout my entire

0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:24.399
<v Speaker 2>time covering this team. They've been trying to settle on

0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:27.040
<v Speaker 2>a guy. Daniel Whelan looks like somebod who can hitch

0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:28.840
<v Speaker 2>the wagon to here for a decade.

0:26:28.560 --> 0:26:32.399
<v Speaker 1>And we'd be talking about an absolute textbook way to

0:26:32.520 --> 0:26:35.000
<v Speaker 1>close out a game with your other two phases with

0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:37.959
<v Speaker 1>the punt to the five. If Kuay Walker catches the

0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:41.520
<v Speaker 1>interception that Richardson throws right basically right at his face

0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:44.520
<v Speaker 1>mask on the first play of that drive from the

0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:46.720
<v Speaker 1>five yard line, and not only did Walker miss it,

0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:48.560
<v Speaker 1>but it got deflected and the Colts caught it and

0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:51.000
<v Speaker 1>then set up to scramble in up getting the hail

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Mary shot and quay walker. As Matt Lafleur said, he's

0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:57.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of sick about not being able to put the

0:26:57.119 --> 0:26:59.720
<v Speaker 1>game away there because that should have been takeaway number

0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:02.520
<v Speaker 1>three that moment. It ended up happening on the hail Mary.

0:27:02.560 --> 0:27:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Braden Narvis and the rookie kicker. Second game in a row,

0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:09.760
<v Speaker 1>he goes three for four on field goals. Miss is

0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:12.280
<v Speaker 1>one that that was kind of important. It would have

0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:16.000
<v Speaker 1>given the Packers a sixteen point lead. If he makes

0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:18.399
<v Speaker 1>that and you're up by sixteen at that stage of

0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:23.040
<v Speaker 1>the fourth quarter, absolute worst case scenario, you're looking at overtime.

0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:25.920
<v Speaker 1>If the other team's two touchdowns and gets two two

0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:29.439
<v Speaker 1>point conversions by the end of regulation, worst case scenario,

0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:33.560
<v Speaker 1>you're looking at overtime. And unfortunately he wasn't able to

0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:35.879
<v Speaker 1>make that one. Matt Leffuur said, Hey, you know, you

0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:39.800
<v Speaker 1>can ask Brian Gudokunst about, you know, the patience thing

0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:42.760
<v Speaker 1>from the personnel side of things, From the coaching side

0:27:42.800 --> 0:27:44.919
<v Speaker 1>of things, They're willing to be patient. They like what

0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:47.439
<v Speaker 1>they have in Narvis, and we'll see what happens. I

0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:50.679
<v Speaker 1>think it's important to remind people. I'm going to remind

0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:54.440
<v Speaker 1>them again. An Insider inbox later this week, Andras Carlson

0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:57.040
<v Speaker 1>started his NFL career not missing a single kick for

0:27:57.119 --> 0:28:00.960
<v Speaker 1>five straight games, and everybody thought, oh, Packers are all set,

0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:04.359
<v Speaker 1>they found their kicker. This is great. Well, my point

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:07.680
<v Speaker 1>is just don't rush to judgment on Braden Narvison. Yes,

0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:11.080
<v Speaker 1>he's missed two kicks forty five yards an inn that

0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:14.720
<v Speaker 1>he should make, that he knows he should make through

0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:18.199
<v Speaker 1>the first two games. But you know, let's let's just

0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:21.920
<v Speaker 1>see what happens here because because things didn't work out

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:24.920
<v Speaker 1>with Carlson when everything started great, so let's see how

0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Narvison works through some of these things to hopefully get

0:28:28.400 --> 0:28:30.199
<v Speaker 1>where he wants to be in where the Packers want him.

0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, you got to remember the green bit

0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:33.280
<v Speaker 2>Packers went through, Mike. I want to say it was

0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:35.840
<v Speaker 2>six or seven kickers throughout camp when you talk about

0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:38.000
<v Speaker 2>all those number three guys they brought in, and obviously

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Alex Hale is still with them now on the practice

0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:43.840
<v Speaker 2>squad under the international exemption, they re shuffled the deck

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:47.800
<v Speaker 2>on that position. Enough training camp ended they placed the

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:51.000
<v Speaker 2>waiver claim on Narvisen. He's the guy. He's the guy

0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:54.440
<v Speaker 2>they went with, and I think, barring a disaster, which

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:56.960
<v Speaker 2>is what you have to curb against, not missing one

0:28:57.040 --> 0:29:00.400
<v Speaker 2>but missing several, I feel like you got to let

0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:01.880
<v Speaker 2>this young guy develop and you do have to have

0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:04.920
<v Speaker 2>that patience. I go back to what Brian Goodigun said.

0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 2>I still wish he would have given himself a little

0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 2>bit more grace on that because he talked about JK

0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 2>Scott and j K Scott's an NFL punter and he's fine.

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:14.200
<v Speaker 2>But Daniel Wheeland, in my estimation, is a better punter

0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:17.360
<v Speaker 2>than JK Scott. I think Corey Bjorquez is a better

0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:20.520
<v Speaker 2>punter than JK Scott. His issue was was more of

0:29:20.520 --> 0:29:21.960
<v Speaker 2>the holding side of things, where it was kind of

0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:25.520
<v Speaker 2>disrupting stuff right. I think he got to where they

0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 2>needed to get to.

0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:29.040
<v Speaker 1>I agree that Goody needs to cut himself some slack

0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:32.920
<v Speaker 1>when he criticized himself about the lack of patients with

0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:35.680
<v Speaker 1>special he gave JK Scott three seasons here. It's not

0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:38.560
<v Speaker 1>it's not like you know. I mean, let's let's be

0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:40.800
<v Speaker 1>let's be real about it. There are things about the

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:43.800
<v Speaker 1>climate you know there are there are difficulties when you're

0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:47.360
<v Speaker 1>kicking in Lambeau Field, in Soldier Field, in uh you know,

0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 1>at certain times of the year. And and credit to JK. Scott,

0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:53.440
<v Speaker 1>he is he's gotten his career back on a better track.

0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:56.160
<v Speaker 1>He's also kicking out in LA. He doesn't he doesn't

0:29:56.200 --> 0:29:58.800
<v Speaker 1>have he doesn't have the same some of the same

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:02.760
<v Speaker 1>circumstances that specialists have to deal with. Here in Green Bay.

0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:05.000
<v Speaker 2>There was probably and it didn't even affect it wasn't

0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:07.240
<v Speaker 2>even a part of Brian Goudakun's tenure, I don't believe.

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:09.760
<v Speaker 2>But the only time I ever really took an issue

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:13.320
<v Speaker 2>with anything the Packers did was when they went with

0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Rick Levado throughout the playoffs, had him throughout training camp,

0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:19.040
<v Speaker 2>and then cut him at the end of camp and

0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:21.960
<v Speaker 2>brought back Brett good after he was injured. I think

0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:23.920
<v Speaker 2>if you to take the more long term approach at

0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:25.680
<v Speaker 2>that point, because Gooda ended up only playing I think

0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:28.320
<v Speaker 2>one more year after that, it probably would have been

0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:30.560
<v Speaker 2>a more salient thing to just stick with Levado, who's

0:30:30.560 --> 0:30:33.000
<v Speaker 2>been now the Eagles long snapper for the last seven years.

0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:35.160
<v Speaker 2>That's the one I kind of would go back and

0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 2>say Okay, I understand that, but again, that didn't even

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:39.760
<v Speaker 2>have anything to do with Brian, so be that as

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:42.080
<v Speaker 2>it made. The Packers seemed to have found a kicker.

0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Because I'll say this too, and will be my last

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:47.040
<v Speaker 2>point on this, Andres Carlson made his first every kick

0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 2>in his first five games. The ball did not come

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:51.400
<v Speaker 2>off Anders Carlson's foot the way it comes off of

0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 2>Brandon Narvous.

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 1>I totally agree with you, totally. That's just the eye test.

0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:59.040
<v Speaker 2>That's the eye test. His forty six yarder that he made, Michael,

0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:01.000
<v Speaker 2>that would have been good from you and I were

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:01.800
<v Speaker 2>watching it in the game.

0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:02.120
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:05.040
<v Speaker 2>It's just about now the coaching standpoint of it, and

0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:08.080
<v Speaker 2>that's where Byron Storer and Richard Pasacchi, they'll they'll work

0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:09.880
<v Speaker 2>with the guy on that. But in terms of the

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:13.000
<v Speaker 2>leg talent here, this guy's not missing a forty five

0:31:13.080 --> 0:31:14.800
<v Speaker 2>or forty three yard field goal because he doesn't have

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:17.240
<v Speaker 2>the leg for it. He's got to get the trajectory

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 2>figured out.

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm a little late here to get Yeah, get

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:22.400
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<v Speaker 1>before we go, taking a look around the league after

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:52.360
<v Speaker 1>two weeks, Just as we all predicted, the Vikings, Steelers, Saints, Buccaneers,

0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:57.080
<v Speaker 1>and Seahawks are all two and zero and the Bengals, Jaguars, Rams,

0:31:57.120 --> 0:32:01.480
<v Speaker 1>and Ravens are all zero to two. Welcome to the NFL,

0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:05.320
<v Speaker 1>and like, hold on because here we go.

0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:08.479
<v Speaker 2>Never apologize for a victory in this league. Never do it,

0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:11.800
<v Speaker 2>because the Baltimore Ravens could just as easily be two

0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 2>and oh right now as a hundred. Yeah. I mean,

0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:15.720
<v Speaker 2>that's the thing. You got to win the game that's

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:18.000
<v Speaker 2>in front of you. They almost beat the reigning Super

0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:19.640
<v Speaker 2>Bowl champions in Week one, and then they lost to

0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:21.240
<v Speaker 2>the Las Vegas Raiders the following week.

0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:24.600
<v Speaker 1>Hey, the Philadelphia Eagles had had Scott van Pelt on

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Monday night football teas and Sports Center talking about, you know,

0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:30.800
<v Speaker 1>going into the winning Eagles locker room and the two

0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 1>and oh Philadelphia Eagles, and moments later, the Philadelphia Eagles

0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:36.760
<v Speaker 1>are one and one. They've coughed one up at home

0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:39.320
<v Speaker 1>in prime time in the last minute and a half.

0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:45.120
<v Speaker 1>I just you can never rest. There is no peace

0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:48.600
<v Speaker 1>whatsoever in this league. You play the game in front

0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:50.840
<v Speaker 1>of you, you pack up your stuff, and you get

0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:52.960
<v Speaker 1>ready to play again. That's all that this is.

0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:54.280
<v Speaker 2>And that was the other thing too, some of the

0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 2>stories that were coming out of New York after the

0:32:56.000 --> 0:32:58.280
<v Speaker 2>game against Tennessee and that it wasn't a convincing enough

0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:01.560
<v Speaker 2>win and things like that. It's like, dude, Aaron Rodgers

0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:03.960
<v Speaker 2>just got back from the Achilles injury. He didn't play

0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 2>for a year, right, and he just beat he got

0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:07.360
<v Speaker 2>a win.

0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Like, well, it's a win, and every and everybody's everybody's

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:13.640
<v Speaker 1>dumping on Kirk Cousins in Atlanta after the loss to

0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:17.560
<v Speaker 1>the Steelers in Week one. Kirk Cousins is coming off

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<v Speaker 1>of an achilles and he's with a new team and

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<v Speaker 1>a whole brand new offense and everything. So I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, let's you know, but the instant judgment and

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<v Speaker 1>the instant analysis. It's it's like, yes, there are things

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<v Speaker 1>that there are things that you judge in the moment,

0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:34.880
<v Speaker 1>and you analyze those things in the moment, but you

0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:38.480
<v Speaker 1>don't have to draw conclusions with every single thing that

0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:43.680
<v Speaker 1>happens every week. The Cincinnati Bengals just took the Super

0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Bowl champs to the wire, and yes, I know there

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<v Speaker 1>are some questions about officiating this and that whatever, but

0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:55.440
<v Speaker 1>the Cincinnati Bengals just gave the Champs everything they could handle.

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<v Speaker 1>But now the Bengals are sitting there at zero and

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<v Speaker 1>two and they've got some stuff figure out, so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just that's the that's the way this

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<v Speaker 1>league goes.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was funny too the you and I talked

0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:09.640
<v Speaker 2>last week about Detroit in Tampa Bay and just the

0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:12.120
<v Speaker 2>ramifications of that matchup and end up being a good game,

0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:14.680
<v Speaker 2>competitive game. But now you're seeing with what it looks

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<v Speaker 2>like that the Buccaneers are going to be up against

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<v Speaker 2>against the New Orleans Saints in that division. That's why

0:34:20.320 --> 0:34:23.040
<v Speaker 2>games like that really matter. And I thought, bring it

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<v Speaker 2>back really quickly Aaron Rodgers. Again in his postgame press conference,

0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:28.239
<v Speaker 2>he made a really salient point, which is these are

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<v Speaker 2>the games, These are the type of wins you need

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<v Speaker 2>to have, because if you're going to be in the

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<v Speaker 2>run at the end of the season, obviously you need

0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:35.040
<v Speaker 2>to pick up wins throughout the course of the season.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's sometimes the difference between ten and seven in

0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:41.399
<v Speaker 2>nine and eight or nine and eight and eight nine,

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:44.200
<v Speaker 2>it comes down to one of those down to the wire,

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<v Speaker 2>tight matchups in week two and to pick off as

0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:48.239
<v Speaker 2>many of those. I mean, the Packers were the number

0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:51.080
<v Speaker 2>one seed and got to thirteen wins in twenty nineteen

0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:55.120
<v Speaker 2>basically with that script. So the division bringing it back

0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 2>quickly to the NFC North, looks like it will be competitive.

0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:01.400
<v Speaker 2>I think the Minnesota Vikings are feeling I think Kevin O'Connell,

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<v Speaker 2>you can just continually give him credit for how he's

0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:06.640
<v Speaker 2>rallied that team. And as you said last week, they're

0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 2>gonna have to continue to get innovative with what they're

0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:10.480
<v Speaker 2>doing with Sam Darnold. They're gonna have to try to

0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:13.480
<v Speaker 2>stay ahead of that curve. But man, people believe, and

0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:16.279
<v Speaker 2>that team believes, and to be able to be in

0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:18.040
<v Speaker 2>a position to be two and ohero and I I

0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 2>personally had them written and just kind of in sharpie

0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:23.680
<v Speaker 2>written down as the fourth team in this division this year. Yeah,

0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:25.800
<v Speaker 2>the Vikings are showing again. They're nobody's underdog.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, if you can hit a if you can hit

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<v Speaker 1>a ninety seven yard touchdown pass against one of the

0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:34.400
<v Speaker 1>best defenses in the league, that'll play, you know. And

0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:36.880
<v Speaker 1>and the Vikings are the Vikings are not gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>away anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's a big secret. Just give Justin Jefferson a

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<v Speaker 2>chance and you're probably gonna have good things happening. By

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<v Speaker 2>the way, too. Last thing I'll close on this, Uh,

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Marvin Harrison Jr. Green Miit Packers four weeks we're gonna

0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:52.480
<v Speaker 2>be talking about that matchup with the Cardinals. Marvin Nison

0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Harrison Junr. Is going to be a handful for the

0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:56.160
<v Speaker 2>National Football League this year.

0:35:56.280 --> 0:36:00.160
<v Speaker 1>Yep, absolutely he is. He is already proving that his

0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 1>draft status was no joke for sure. So with that

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<v Speaker 1>we'll call it a rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted.

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<v Speaker 1>Be sure to follow all of our coverage of the

0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:12.439
<v Speaker 1>team on Packers dot com for wes I am Mike.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for tuning in, everybody. We will see you

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<v Speaker 1>next time.