1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Happy Friday everybody, or day after fourth of July. I'm 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: sure some of you are still recovering from last night's 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: activities if you will, but appreciate you being here for 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: this last day of our theme week. We've had a 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: good time on Monday giving you life in the NFL, 6 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: and then we celebrated text Texans Top one hundred moments. 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: Then we had our podcast celebration that we had great 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: Americans yesterday and today it's the Leadership Council and that 9 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: means coaches. You get a chance to hear from the 10 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: Texans coaches, which is going to be fun stuff. Mark 11 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: Vannimer and I in this studio had a chance to 12 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: catch up with a good number of coaches and we 13 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: will have that for you today. Got a couple of Johns. 14 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: You'll hear from John Pagano and John Perry. Carl Smith 15 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach, which is one of our most fun interviews 16 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: that we did. We kick off the show with the Venerable, 17 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: the man who has seen it all man with Super 18 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: Bowl rings. I think he's got more super rings than 19 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: everybody in this building, combined super Bowl appearances with the Giants, 20 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: with the Patriots. Romeo Crenell has done it all in 21 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: every year. Keep this in mind. Every year that Romeo 22 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: Crenell has been the defensive coordinator, the Texans have finished 23 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: with more than nine wins. They were number one defensive 24 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: league in twenty sixteen. Last year they were I can't 25 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: remember if they were the best run defense in the league, 26 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: but they were pretty darn close. Romeo Crenell has been around, 27 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: He's seen it all. But what I love about him 28 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: is the fact that he's willing to adapt to change. 29 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: The game's changing. He's got to change, He's got to 30 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: adapt that he's done that. We had a great time 31 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: talking to defensive coordinator Romeo Crenell joining us in the 32 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: Hunday Texans Radio studio. Coach, I want to start in 33 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: a different area. You've been in this a long time. 34 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: How do you spend that time between mini camp and 35 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: training camp? That little break right there, because it's really 36 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: the only one you guys get. So what do you 37 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: do to recharge? Do you unplug? How do you handle that? Ah? 38 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: I try to recharge like everybody else, but my wife 39 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: usually takes charge for me. Its the same for everybody exactly. 40 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: The boss. Yeah, and so I go where the balls 41 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: scales made to go. Sometimes we try to get away. 42 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: Other times we go visit family, friends and that kind 43 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: of thing. And so this year I'll probably be visiting 44 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: a little bit more than maybe I want to. But 45 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: but it all, it's all good coach. When you've been 46 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: calling defense in the league for a while and you 47 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: obviously have a system that works. We've seen it work. 48 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: We've seen it work in different places, we've seen it 49 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 1: work with different personnel. But you still get the doodling 50 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: on napkins and saying, hey, I think this might work, 51 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: or hey, what if we tweak this? Are you still 52 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: you still think that way? Or do you want to 53 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: think that way? Kind of adding little new pieces as 54 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: you go along to your defense, Yeah, I think you 55 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: have to because offensively, they're adding little pieces and they're 56 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: trying to stop what you're doing. And so if they're 57 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: doing something that stops with what you're doing, then you 58 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: gotta find out if I do this because they're doing that, 59 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: I might get a guy free, you know. And so 60 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: if you can get a guy free, then you impact 61 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 1: the quarterback. So you have to do it a little 62 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: little bit and think about what if. And sometimes it 63 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: works and sometimes it doesn't work. Romeo Cronow joining us 64 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: during OTA's a mini caap. What are you looking for 65 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: on your side of the ball without pads, without the hitting, 66 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: I know you can see coverages. What are you focusing on? Well, 67 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: we have to have communication. That's a big part of 68 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: our system, and guys have to know the job then 69 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: have to be able to communicate, you know, what they 70 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: know to other guys that they're working with on the defense. 71 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: And so I'm looking for guys who can communicate, who 72 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: can know what to do and then execute. That's one thing. 73 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: And then you you look at talent to see who 74 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: has talent, who has quickness, who can change the direction, 75 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: you know, and the things like that, particularly on the 76 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: back end from the skill guys. The guys up front. 77 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: It's a little bit more difficult, you know, in OTAs 78 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: because you're in short and most of those guys can 79 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: look good in shorts, but when you put the pads on, 80 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: that's when those guys their evaluation picks up because now 81 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: it's hitting in his contact and the techniques that you've 82 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: been talking to him about in shorts they have to 83 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: execute in pads, and it becomes a little bit tougher coach. 84 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: When I think about communication, Bernardrick McKinney is the guy 85 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: that I think about a lot because he's talking to 86 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: the back, he's talking to the front, he's getting guys 87 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: lined up, And I think back to I don't know 88 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: if it was his first start. I think he got 89 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: thrown in because there was an injury or so. He 90 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: got thrown into the Colts game in twenty fifteen when 91 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: he was a rookie, and I just remember him kind 92 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: of running around wild, like not totally sure what to do. 93 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: But now you see him four years later going into 94 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: what is fifty year now, and he's kind of a seasoned, 95 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: salty veteran. But when you see a guy like that, 96 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: are you guys on the safe communication wavelength that he's 97 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: been running the defense for a while, so he knows 98 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: what you're thinking. What's it like to have a player 99 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: that's been in it for a while that kind of 100 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: knows it like the back of or should know it 101 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: like the back of hand, like Bernardi McKinney. Well, the 102 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: thing that helps it. It kind of makes him a 103 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: coach on the field, Yeah, you know, because he can 104 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: he knows what he has to do. He could communicate 105 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: with other guys and help them remember what they have 106 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: to do. Plus he gives some tips about the offensive formation, 107 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: the aligneman set the backfield alignment and all of those things, 108 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: which which benefits somebody on the defense, you know. And 109 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: so with him being able to do all of that 110 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: and and present that information, you know, out there on 111 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: the football field, I think that helps us. And then 112 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: he does know the defense, uh well versed in it, 113 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: you know, and like I mentioned to you earlier, rookies 114 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: or rookies and mistakes and you know, and you can 115 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: talk to them about it on the board, you know, 116 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: and you can show him a film, but until they're 117 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: in there on the field when the ball is snapped, 118 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: you know, and that reaction time is you got to 119 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,799 Speaker 1: think fast, and then you don't have to react fast. 120 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: And bernardric heat to that point where he thinks fast 121 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: and he reacts fast, and he does a good job 122 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: of running the defense. We had Zach Cunningham in here, 123 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: and he just seems bigger in person. I guess it's 124 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: the number forty one that makes him on the field, 125 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: So it hides him sometimes in that linebacker group, but 126 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: he's made some big place for me, what about his development, Coach, 127 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: He's developing and it's I'm very pleased with it. You know, 128 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: he came from Vandy, and you know they're supposed to 129 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: have smart guys there. Yeah, yeah, he is. He's a 130 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 1: smart He's a smart player and he's coming along and 131 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: he's helped us a lot because not only does he 132 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: have size, he's become a physical player as well. He 133 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: will take on guys blocks, beat blocks, and then he 134 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: can run with backside of the backfield and so that 135 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: combination is a great combination for us. Coach, we're in 136 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,119 Speaker 1: a hundredth year of the NFL and you've been around 137 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: a lot of different players, and I wouldn't want you 138 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: to actually I would. I'd love to be able to 139 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: sit down and pick your brain and rank them all. 140 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: But coaching a guy like j J. Watt, as you 141 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: think about coach him the last few years, what is it? 142 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: First of all, what is it that makes JJ special? 143 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: And where would you put him amongst the guys that 144 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: you coach, Because you coach some of the great ones, 145 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: including Lawrence Taylor with the Giants, right well, JJ, I 146 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: love coaching JJ because JJ has that that player mentality 147 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: that he wants to be the best, and he was. 148 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: He's willing to do whatever it takes to be the 149 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: best on the field, off the field during the season, 150 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: during the off season, he's working to be the best 151 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: all the time. And so I think that carries over 152 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,119 Speaker 1: to the football field in game day, and he wants 153 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: to be the best on game day. So when you 154 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: got that kind of attitude, you know, he's uh, he's willing, 155 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: He learns in the classroom, he pays attention, he does 156 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: all the things that a coach wants a player to do, 157 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: the right kind of attitude, and so players like that. 158 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: They don't come along every day, you know, and so 159 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: sometimes I've heard that they only come along once in 160 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: a life time, you know. I've been fortunate that I've 161 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: had two or three. Yeah, you know, but I've been 162 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: coaching a long time, so that makes a difference there. 163 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: But but he's a joy to work with, uh and 164 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: he rings up at the top with the guys that 165 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: I've coached. As you mentioned, Lawrence Taylor, he's one and 166 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: j J. They're up there on an equal level. Romeo 167 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: Cornalt joining us our Texans Radio, You've coached a long time, 168 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: like Johnny said, we've established this coach, but what about 169 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: the way practice is held conducted offseason, training camp or 170 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: the season. It was different back in the day. So 171 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: how has it been adjusting for you to the rules 172 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: changes and just the way this game has coached and played? Well? 173 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: One thing as a coach, you have to be flexible 174 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: and you have to adapt, um, whether it's coaching style, 175 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: whether it's game day adjustment. And so when they change 176 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: the rules, you have to be able to adjust to 177 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: what the rules are. You know, it's different than what 178 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: it used to be. Um. I mean, you know we 179 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: when training camp, we were practice twice a day, nine 180 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: and three and then we'd meet at night and they 181 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: didn't have it a day's off, you know. But now 182 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 1: they get a day off and you can only practice 183 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: once a day in pads, and you know those things. 184 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 1: But you know, player safety is part of it, and 185 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: I understand that and appreciate that. And the game is 186 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: still a good game, you know, the players still play 187 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: hard and probably athletically and talent wise. Um, they are 188 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: really good at at their talent for their position, you know, 189 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: And so I think that helps the game. But you 190 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: get used to it and you go with it. Because 191 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 1: you know that it's not changing right. Well, no more 192 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: double days. That's just the most important thing. No more 193 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: two days. Those things are Have you ever gone through 194 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 1: two days? And there are a lot of you out 195 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: there that haven't, even players now haven't gone through it 196 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: the worst, the worst. Can I ask you one more 197 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: question just to reminisce very quickly. Texas Tech, you were there, 198 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: What was it like being on that staff? And it 199 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: was a long time ago, but what are your recollections 200 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: of being out there in Lubbock, Lubbock, Texas doublet the 201 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: Red Raiders. Yeah, I enjoyed the Red Raiders because that 202 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: was my first major college job job that I had, 203 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 1: and I went out to Lubbuck without taking a visit. 204 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: I took the job over the telephone. And I've never 205 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 1: been to Lubbock. You know, I've been to Texas before 206 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: because dad was at Ford Hood, Okay in the Temple 207 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: Waco area, Colleen, I was up and there when I 208 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: was young. But I go to Lubbock and I remember 209 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: getting off on the plane. There were no jet ways, 210 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: so you had to walk down the steps and walk 211 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: across the tarm dot and the wind was blowing and 212 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: the wind was blowing all in my mouth, and you know, 213 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 1: I got dust in my mouth, all right. So I 214 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: get inside and then I get picked up and driving 215 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: down to the stadium. As we were driving down, that's 216 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: a tumbleweed that blows across the road. I said to myself, 217 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: what have I got myself into? You know. But after 218 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: I got situated, it got used to the West Texas 219 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: weather people are really nice and we had success out there, 220 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: you know, And so it's a good experience. My youngest 221 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: daughter was born there, and I'll always have good memories 222 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: of love of con Texas Deck. When a coach has 223 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: been around for a while, especially when they stayed in 224 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: the NFL, it's always good to look at and go 225 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: back and look at the history of a coach and 226 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: where he came from. And I think about Mike Holmemregn 227 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: a lot, because Mike Holmgren's first job was as a 228 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: tennis coach out in the Bay Area, and he turned 229 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: into one of the great coaches in the NFL. And 230 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: Romeo Cornell went to Texas Tech and has been at 231 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: Texas Tech, and you'll see a lot of that evolution 232 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: of a coach's career, and it's it's always Ah, this 233 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: guy started as a junior high coach. I mean, one 234 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: day when I'm at eighties and I've gone back to 235 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,719 Speaker 1: coaching at some point, which won't happen, but everybody will say, yeah, 236 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: he started off as a junior high coach at Episcopal 237 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: High School and Jacksonville, Florida. Romeo Crenell at one point 238 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: went to Texas Tech and that's kind of where his 239 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: career took off because of his connection at that point 240 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: with Bill Parcels and obviously we all know the history 241 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: at that point, goes to the Giants, takes over as 242 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: linebackers coach, ends up moving to the Patriots a defensive 243 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: coordinator with Bill Belichick, wins championships, wins rings, had a 244 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: couple of stints as a head coach in the NFL 245 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: with the Browns and the Chiefs, and then came to 246 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: Houston as the defensive coordinator. And to me, he is 247 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: such a valuable piece and such the right guy to 248 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: be leading this defense and looking forward to seeing what 249 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: that group does in twenty nineteen with Romeo Crennell at 250 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: the helm. All right, another guy that has been around 251 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 1: a little bit now, he just hasn't been around with 252 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: the Texans. All that much came in to his first 253 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: year with the Texans, starting back in January, and that's 254 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: Carl Smith, quarterbacks coach. He'd been with Seattle. I can't 255 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: even go into the number of places that he's been 256 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: because it would take up this entire show. But he's 257 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: coach guys like Chuck Fusina and Russell Wilson and Matt 258 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: Leinert throughout his career and now he gets to coach 259 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 1: to Shaun Watson. We'll talk to Carl Smith next right 260 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: here in Texans All Access. Welcome back to Texans All Access. 261 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: Our team. We continues with the leadership counsel, I eat 262 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: the coaches. And we just spoke with Romeo Cornell from Or. 263 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: We had Romeo Crenell for you. We talked to him 264 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: my guests back in June, in and around the beginning 265 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: of Mini camp, and he's great. He's so great to 266 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: get a perspective on not just football but defense, life, 267 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: being married, all that kind of stuff. So Romeo Credell 268 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: was great to talk to. Now, a guy that we 269 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: spoke with many months ago as he got started here 270 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: with the Houston Texans was Carl Smith, quarterbacks coach. Now 271 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: we knew a little bit about Carl because his son, Tracy, 272 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 1: was a special team assist Brad Seey. Tracy is phenomenal. 273 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: He remember one time in training camp last year when 274 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: Tracy was walking by me and he said, Hey, John, 275 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: special teams have been doing some good things too in 276 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: training camp and I was like yeah, And I first 277 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: I didn't even get where he was going with that, 278 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: and I thought, oh, yeah, my observations. I need to 279 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: say something about the special teams. And he's kind of 280 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: poking me, kind of neededling me. But I loved getting 281 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: a chance to know Tracy last year. And now his 282 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: dad's on staff, Carl Smith, and we caught up with 283 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: him earlier this offseason. What's important? How do you make 284 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: it in this league? How do you make it as 285 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: a pro. He has to be able to survive in 286 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: the jungle. So he has to be physical enough to 287 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: play with the guys, you know, against Jadavian Clowney, J. J. Watt. 288 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: He has to be able to survive in that jungle. 289 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: What does that entail? Because you gotta keep your eyes downfield, 290 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: you gotta make throws, but you also have to keep 291 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: your head on a swivel and avoid those kinds of 292 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: contact situations. I mean, how do you read into that. 293 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: I'm just looking for somebody who's athlete enough to play 294 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: in the game. It's it's you can look in uh 295 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: the NBA. It's like, who's going to be able to 296 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: you know, college guards, right, the great college guards they 297 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: can't play in the NBA. You know, they just they can't. 298 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: You know, maybe two guys, Uh, they got to be 299 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: able to be in there with Lebron and Steph and 300 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: uh all the Rockets guys. And it's the same thing here. 301 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: There's really good college quarterbacks coming out this year, right, 302 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: and every year there's twelve guys that come out. There's 303 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: about two guys that make it every year, and they 304 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: might make a team, but they're not going to start, 305 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: for uh, for your team. There's only a couple of 306 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: guys with enough physical talent to play. So that's what 307 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: I'm looking for. I'm looking for somebody with the talent 308 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: of m Deshaun Watson, with physical talent of Russell Wilson 309 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: Drew bled So I don't know what about the mental 310 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: talent though, How do you measure that or try to 311 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: Before they become pros? Do you watch them play in college. 312 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: You can see that. Yeah, simple as that. Can they play? 313 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: You're gonna watch him coach last year when you were 314 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: with Seattle, and I know when you're you're you're dealing 315 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: with your offense. Do you get a chance to sneak 316 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: a peek at Deshaun Watson? What do you think of 317 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: him when you got a chance to see him a close? 318 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: I didn't see much this year. We didn't play against 319 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: him two years about I guess in twenty seventeen. Yeah, 320 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: they he killed us, so it was good. But I 321 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: had evaluated him coming out. I got to talk to 322 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: him with the combine, very impressed. I still remember this 323 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: day some of his answers. Then we have film. We 324 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: filmed those games from last year. Yeah, so I watched 325 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: every one of them. It's fantastic. Bill O'Brien talks about 326 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: your experience and working in a lot of different systems 327 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: with a lot of different quarterbacks, and I find it 328 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: really fascinating the different kinds of players you've worked with 329 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: because they have different physical skill sets. But as you say, 330 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: they could survive in the jungle. But let's let's go 331 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: over some of these guys if you will, uh, you know, 332 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: having worked in. I'm gonna start here, coach, I'm going 333 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: way back. Yeah, I've got the whole list right here, 334 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: because I don't want to miss anything. I don't want 335 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: to and I'm not gonna talk about Lamar or Southwestern Louisiana. 336 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about the Philadelphia Stars. You've seen it, 337 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: you know. I wanted to get to this. But back 338 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: in the day, you worked at the USFL and you 339 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: were special teams coordinator right for the Philadelphia Stars. The 340 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: first year, I was, yes, okay, what was that experience 341 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: like and being with that team, and that was the 342 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: premier team in that league, which still gets a lot 343 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: of retroactive respect. We are talking about the USFL. Yeah, 344 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: you know United States Football. You know, nobody's listening to this, Okay, 345 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: they are, believe me, But I love talking about it. 346 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: It was great because I was there three years. I 347 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: had the tight ends the first year and the special teams. 348 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: Then I had the quarterbacks and wyd notts, and the 349 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: third year I called the place no. The second year 350 00:17:54,359 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: I called the passes the Jim murkinback, Who's passed? Jim. 351 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: He'd be standing there, he'd be calling the plays and 352 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: then he just hit me on the arm. All they 353 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:08,959 Speaker 1: had to do to Scout was just look over there. 354 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: Jim hit me. He was like, I think it's a pass. 355 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: So I called the pass plays and then then somewhere 356 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,199 Speaker 1: in there after I think week four, we were losing 357 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: at the start of the third year in the USFL 358 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: and I had this look on my face and Coach 359 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: more he was at Coach Timond said, what, well, if 360 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: you've seen it, just a little bump that we threw 361 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: into the wind, and now we've got the win. We've 362 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: called no passes and they had four or five things. 363 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: He said, okay, you're calling the placement. So we did. 364 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: It was fantastic because because we went to the championship 365 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: game all three years and year two and year three 366 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: we won it. You know, we beat herschel Walker in 367 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: the in the playoff game before the last I think 368 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: championship game. They didn't make it. It was fantastic we won. 369 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,239 Speaker 1: How about this? This just thought on me as we 370 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: were talking. How how many coaches I don't think there's 371 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: an answer to this, how many coaches could say they 372 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: want championships in the usflou do with the Baltimore Stars. 373 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 1: You want a college championship with USC, although it is 374 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: that still count. It's good enough. We're gonna count it. 375 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: You want a Super Bowl with the Seattle Seahawks. Ye, 376 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: you've won a championship at every football league. I think 377 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,239 Speaker 1: there's been. I don't know there's many coaches they can 378 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: say that. If you add the Wasco Tigers in the 379 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: South Korea League and the Bakersford College Renegades, I think 380 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: that that's just me, that's just you. I mean, it 381 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: can't be. It can't it can't be many others. As 382 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: Mark alluded to, you coach different quarterbacks. You coached Chuck 383 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: Fusinam kind of a pocket guy. Drew bled So obviously 384 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: had one of the strongest arms you've ever seen. You 385 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: coach Matt Leinert when he was at USC. So you coach, 386 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: you know, pocket guys, and an all of a sudden, 387 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: you're in Seattle and you get out. You get a 388 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: guy like Russell Wilson who when the ball is snapped, 389 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: that's when the fund begins. How different was it dealing 390 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: with a guy like Russell that could do some different 391 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: things that maybe the other quarterbacks couldn't do. What was 392 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: it like coaching him? It was terrific. He's as advertised 393 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: for you that don't know. I mean, he's got an image, 394 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: but that's him. He's a terrific guy. He works on 395 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: it every day. He listens to what you say, he 396 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: works on his game. Anything you ask him to do, 397 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: he's going to work on. So it was it was 398 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: great fun. It's not like he came from out of nowhere, 399 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: but he's got a tremendous story because they had Matt 400 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: Flynn there and he was able to beat him out 401 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: and prove that he was the franchise guy very quickly. 402 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: Very few guys have that ability, especially when they when 403 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: it wasn't spotted right away as a third round rapp pick. Yeah, 404 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: that was an interesting deal, and you have to give 405 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: coach Carroll credit. Russell of course, at the end of 406 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: the mini camp he put it out there is like 407 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: quarterback competition is open. I like to remind rust that 408 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: he threw eight interceptions in those three practices, you know, 409 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: and at the end of that Pete thought he was 410 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: so good that he opened the competition. Competition has always 411 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: opened in every position, but to publicly state it, it's like, 412 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: you know, it had some power to it. You know 413 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: it was a great way to emphasize his core belief 414 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: that competition. It's all about competition. So despite those interceptions, 415 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: you guys saw the ability, the raw ability, and you 416 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: felt like it could get correct hit and move on 417 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: from there. Yeah. Yeah, you can tell he had spark 418 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: and all that stuff, and so we just we just 419 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: went about it day by day, and he really wanted 420 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: in the preseason games he started. He was the third 421 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: guy to go out in the first preseason game, the 422 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: second guy to go out in the second one, and 423 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: the third game at Kansas City. We had Terrell Owens 424 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: and Kellen Winslow on that team at that point and 425 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,239 Speaker 1: they both got released, right but he was in with 426 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 1: those guys that started and he was electric and at 427 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: that point, at the end of that game, Pete said 428 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: he started the first game. He didn't go past that, 429 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: and in the first few games it was a game, 430 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: game to game deals like should we go another week, Yeah, 431 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: let's give another week. So we didn't start very well 432 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: and they're still going with him at that point. What 433 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: makes this opportunity coach to be with the Houston Texans 434 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: and coach to Shaw Watson to be on the staff, 435 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: What made this spot attractive for you. There's a lot 436 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,479 Speaker 1: of things that are attractive about the Houston Texas. You know, 437 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: we just won eleven games. I saw him the year 438 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: before and they were lights out. They had us beat 439 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: in Seattle. They're blue. I like teams that are blue. 440 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: But the biggest attraction is my son coaches here. His 441 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: assistant special teams coach last year and he came in 442 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: with coach Seely. We go back to eighty two. I 443 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: got him to go to NC State from Lamar, right 444 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: down the road. Those connections, and I've known coach O'Brien 445 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: not well, but I've known him for years, so I 446 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: know I have faith in what he's doing. Got the 447 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: thumbs up from Coach Seely. So that was the main attraction. 448 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll in New England versus Pete Carroll in Seattle, 449 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: was there a difference in the way he handled things 450 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: or how did that go? How did that differ in 451 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: your opinion? Total different job. So you had zero control 452 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: at the Patriots and none so he could just coach 453 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: the team. There's no difference in him as a football 454 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: coach at Seattle. He and John do the personnel together. 455 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: When you have your son and you have Tracy. Do 456 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: you ever think at some point, first of all, he'll 457 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: be a football coach, and when he does become a 458 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: football coach, hey, one day, I'd love to be able 459 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: to coach with him. Is that something you always thought about? 460 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: And I ask you this as a coach's son. I 461 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: always thought about coaching with my dad at some point, 462 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 1: and I thought, you know, my dad are probably gonna 463 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: get a fight on the sidelines. It's not a good thing. 464 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: Did you did you ever think that it could happen 465 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: that you would one day coach with your son? Really? No, 466 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: he told his mom. He didn't tell me when he 467 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: was in the fourth grade that he was going to 468 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: coach football. So somewhere in there she told me. And 469 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: I've been working against it since then. You know. It's like, well, 470 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: and I couldn't get him out of football, so it's like, 471 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 1: what about personnel? You know, those guys sometimes stay, you know, 472 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: when all the coaches have to leave town. So no, 473 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: and then he wouldn't come off of it. But I 474 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: never didn't think we coached together. I three quarterbacks. I 475 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 1: want to ask you about real quickly here that you've 476 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 1: coached and just give me a quick thumb nail on 477 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: what you think is their best or was their best 478 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: trait as a player? Verse one, Bobby a bear tenacity, 479 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: deep balls. Here's a good deep ball thrower. Had touch 480 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: on the deep ball, the god ball, and uh tenacity. 481 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: He's got quickness in the pocket. You'd think he couldn't 482 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: move at all, but he had reactions, quick reactions. Did 483 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: you understand any word he ever said? My wife is 484 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: from Lafayette, Louisiana, So okay, she's a praison. Her mama 485 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: was a mootan so yes, yeah, and a bear now 486 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: a talk show host in New Orleans, Drew bled Cell. 487 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: Let me go back to Bobby. Well, I'm at it okay, 488 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: So I actually I can play in high school. So 489 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: I recruited and uh coach coach Oseron. Yeah, yeah, they 490 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: were teammates right there, And uh, I recruited coach O. 491 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: I did not recruit Bobby. Nobody recruited Bobby. Coach was 492 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: in my house anyway. He was just Babe Ogeron at 493 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: the time. And you coached against Dave Aar at the 494 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: USFL Yes, yes I did so. I've known him way back. 495 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: He grew like five inches after his senior year, Northwestern 496 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: Louisiana picked him up blood cell, great arm, fantastic arm, 497 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:25,479 Speaker 1: and Matt Leonard in college. Matt, let's see, well, he 498 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: was just a killer. We everything worked there, everything worked. 499 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: We win the national championship about thirty and won all 500 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 1: our games, So that's why I had to leave. Of course, 501 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: went all our games and Leonard wins up Heisman Trophy, 502 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 1: so I had to get the heck out of there. 503 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: I cannot wait to see what we are in store 504 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: for in twenty nineteen with Carl Smith as quarterbacks coach 505 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 1: for your Houston Texans. All right, we get back The 506 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: name John is our final segment theme. You'll see what 507 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. What we talked to Outside live backers 508 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: coach John Pagano, Every severs coach John Perry. Next with 509 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: me your host John Harris on Texans All Access one, 510 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: final segment of this Friday edition of Texans All Access. 511 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: Our theme tonight, the Leadership Council. I am your host, 512 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: John Harris, football analysts and sideline reporter, and I'm stressing 513 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: the name John, not because of like my name, but 514 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: that's who we're talking to in this segment. Outside linebackers 515 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: coach John Pagano and receivers coach John Parry. Let's kick 516 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: it off with the second year outside linebackers coach, John Pagano, 517 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: now second year with the Texans, but John's been around 518 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: for a wise defensive coordinator feted for his places. His brother, 519 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: Chuck Pogano, is the new defensive coordinator with the Chicago Bears. 520 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: Defense runs through the veins of the Pagano family, and 521 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: Mark has known Chuck for a long long time. When 522 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: Chuck was an assistant coach at the University of Miami, 523 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,479 Speaker 1: Mark was there, so they've known each other for a 524 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: good long time. And then Chuck became the head coach 525 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: for the Indianapolis Colts, so we've known the Pagano family 526 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: a little bit. It's been great getting to know John Pagano, 527 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: outside linebackers coach in a second year. And I remember 528 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: we first talked to him. He had maybe been here 529 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: a couple of months, still trying to figure out where 530 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: everything was. Get to your second year, just like a 531 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: lot of players, coaches get settled in as well. Here 532 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: is John Pagano, Texans outside linebackers coach. So coach, let 533 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: me start here kind of in a weird area that's 534 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: not that weird. It's the break between mini camp and 535 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: training camp. You've been in this a long time. What 536 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: do you do? How do you recharge the batteries? How 537 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: much do you or can you unplugged during that time? Well, 538 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 1: I don't think he really unplugged from it. I think 539 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: the day to day stuff that you've been doing in 540 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: the off season, but you never unplugged. You're always thinking 541 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: about certain things that you want to do during training camp, 542 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: ideas that you have to get your unich you know, 543 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: with the outside linebackers be able to do different things. 544 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: Always thinking of different types of drills that we can 545 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: get you to doing. And it's that daily routine. But 546 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: you really, you never really get away from it. You're 547 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: always thinking about it. You're thinking about your teaching progression 548 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: from how you want to introduce things from the install. 549 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: You're always working on those little things and then you, 550 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,959 Speaker 1: you know, you find time for your family. Coach. You've 551 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: been around a game, as Mark said, for a while. 552 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: You've been to different places. But now you're going into 553 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: your second year here with the Texans. How does that feel? 554 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: Comfortability wise? For your first year, you're still trying to 555 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: figure out what everything is where you're gonna live, kids 556 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: are gonna go to all. How is it the second year? Oh, 557 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: it's it's it's like you've been here for a while. Yeah, 558 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: you know, you get into I think the biggest thing 559 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: is is getting into a routine. What time you're waking up, 560 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: what time you're getting here to the office, your daily routine, 561 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: how you're setting up your meeting, certain things like that 562 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: where you're heading for. You know, last year when you 563 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: come in new you're where's this? Where are we going? Now? 564 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: What is this? And you know, you get accustomed to 565 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: the schedule that you have to you know, get into 566 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: that daily grind. And that's what we try to do 567 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: with our players to get them, get them used to 568 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: do in those that same routine. And it's it's like 569 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: when we get out there an individual, you want those 570 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: same types of movement, those same types of skills. So 571 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: they're they're learning exactly what I want, even more from 572 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: last year to be able to do the things that 573 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: we do out on the field. John Pagano with US 574 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: coaching outside linebackers. I always think of this as front seven. 575 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: You have all these guys who operate in the front 576 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: seven and there's a lot of different movement going on. 577 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: So how do you guys put that together collectively as coaches? Well, 578 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: you know, everybody has that, you know, from the D 579 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: line to the inside linebackers, outside linebackers in that front seven. 580 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: But the scheme is all, you know, all built based 581 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,239 Speaker 1: upon uh, you know, how Romeo sets the defense up, 582 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: and then you take what he says and you put 583 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: those you know, moving parts together and it's it's very multiple, 584 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: uh you know, in our front seven to where you 585 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: need guys that have the ability to drop into coverage 586 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: and be able to rush the passer. So it's been 587 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: good from this standpoint, even going into my second year 588 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: of truly really understanding the defense and then you know, 589 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: just keep building off that from what we did last year. 590 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: Coach obviously have some veterans, but then you get some 591 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: young guys that come in, whether they're rookies or they've 592 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: they've been around the league for a little bit, they 593 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: come here. What's the most difficult habit to break for 594 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: young players coming from college or coming from somewhere else 595 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: that you have to try and teach them technique. What's 596 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: the toughest habit for them to bring? I think that 597 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: getting down to the basics. You know, I'm a big 598 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: firm believer defensively of techniques, fundamentals and effort effort something 599 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: that that they can control by me, you know, making 600 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: sure that they understand what type of effort we need. 601 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: But the techniques and the fundamentals, and it starts with 602 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: basic stance, and it starts with basic footwork, and it's 603 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: those fundamentals and doing those drills every day to where 604 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: they get a customed how they need to step. The 605 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: game is it's such a game of angles and it's 606 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: always taking that proper angle and just one little bad steps. 607 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: So I think coming into the league for younger players, 608 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: it's always basically those those attention to detail technique assignments 609 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: of basic fundamentals of your footwork. And I think that's 610 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: something that you know, you got to work at every 611 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: day and they're getting better at that. John Pagano with 612 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: US on Texans Radio, allow me to reminisce a little bit. 613 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: Sure you were on the cult staff that had Peyton 614 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: Manning when he's a rookie. Yeah, So what was that 615 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: like being on Jim Morris staff than and seeing Manning 616 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: going through what he was going through I know you 617 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: were a defensive assistant at but you were there obviously 618 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: correct it. Just see the growth just you could from 619 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: how he was day one, how he approached it U 620 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: through you know, through coach Moore the offensive coordinator, to 621 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: Bruce Arians being the quarterbacks coach. To see the growth 622 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: that he had and and just his work ethic. I 623 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: mean I remember being there late some nights and all 624 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: of a sudden, here he is walking down the hall. 625 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: He just got done with his film preparation, you know, 626 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: of his of his rookie year. Um. Just seeing that 627 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: growth and just how how smart, unbelievably smart he was 628 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: and just learning, uh you know, seeing the things and 629 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: seeing the different things he did at practice. It was 630 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: it was it was good, and it was always you know, 631 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: the the being in the AFC, having the opportunity to 632 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: uh you know, play those teams. You just saw him 633 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: get better and better each and every time. Coach your 634 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: group outside linebackers, it can be a diverse group depending 635 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: on fronts, coverages, all that different kind of stuff. But 636 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,479 Speaker 1: for you, what do you like about that group and 637 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: what's the one thing that you want to see them 638 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: get better at every day? Well? I just setting our 639 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: daily goals, techniques, fundamentals and effort and that and that's 640 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: something that we got to improve on every day. And 641 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: we go out there and we we like to choose 642 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: one or two things that we're going to get better at, 643 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: and as we're walking off the field, we have an 644 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: understanding that did we improve on that today or did 645 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: we not do we need to keep working on those 646 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: certain things. And I think, you know, the basic fundamentals 647 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: of football can whether it's my stance, whether it's you know, 648 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: my get off today in my false step, and do 649 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: I have the proper leverage? Do I have the proper 650 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: you know, footwork? And I think the biggest thing coming 651 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: away is being able to set that edge. I think 652 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: the guys you know, really take it a pride and 653 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: a passion on being edge setters, and that's something that 654 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: we have to do. We can't let the ball outside 655 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: of us. My second coaching job, after being the head 656 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: middle school coach junior high middle school coach at Episco, 657 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: I moved over to school called Bishop Kenny, and I 658 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: start coaching with the buddy of mine, Brady Ackerman, who 659 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: is now the receiver's coach at Jackson State and Brady 660 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: was looking for an outside linebackers coach. Man. He didn't 661 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: know me from Adam, but I had interviewed for the 662 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: head coaching job there and ad was like, look, you 663 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: need to hire this guy. And so he's like, all right, 664 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: I'll hire him as my outside linebackers coach. So I 665 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: studied outside linebacker play, studied everything I could. So when 666 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: I hear John Pagan, I'll talk about not letting the 667 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: ball outside of us, I'm like, oh my gosh. If 668 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: there's one thing an outside linebacker has to do cannot 669 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: allow he has to keep the ball inside. He cannot 670 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: allow it to get outside the numerous times. What are 671 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: you doing? You let the ball outside of you? Yeah? 672 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,479 Speaker 1: Because no, no, no no, you have one job. It's like 673 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: that Twitter account, you have one job. So I hear that, 674 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: and I'm just like flashing back, but good talk to 675 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 1: John Pagano. Now let's keep the John theme going with 676 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: wide receivers coach John Perry. Love talking about with him. 677 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: Could have gone on for about twenty five thirty minutes 678 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: with him or longer. We need to do a full length, 679 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 1: full on, full show with John Perry because there's many 680 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 1: different things that we could get into including the fact 681 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: that his brother, James Perry younger brother is not the 682 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: head coach of my alma mater, our alma mater, Brown University, 683 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: James alma mater, James went to Brown. John with you 684 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 1: and h University of New Hampshire. But great talking to 685 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: John talking about the wide receivers what he sees in 686 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: this group in twenty nineteen. Here's John Perry. Welcome to 687 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: Clements Rangers Hotline here from NRG Stadium. Well, I just 688 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,879 Speaker 1: want to start here, coach, because you have a son 689 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: that plays quarterback for a local high school, Clements, and 690 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: I know that you know you get there Friday night 691 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: you see the game. What does that like to be 692 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: the coach of an NFL team and your son is 693 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: playing the game for a big high school in Texas. Yeah, 694 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: watching this six eight football down here is really amazing. 695 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: These coaches do a great job. They really prepare their teams. 696 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: It's really fun. So it's nice to step back, honestly, 697 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: and that's one of the huge benefits of being an 698 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,879 Speaker 1: NFL coaches that you know, Friday nights you do kind 699 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 1: of get your time to yourself. So, you know, Texas 700 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: Friday night lights I'm able to get to almost every 701 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: one of his games. It's been awesome. So how are 702 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: you as a dad slash fan versus job Harry wide 703 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: receivers coach. My guess is, if you talk to my wife, Jennifer, 704 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: she would have a different opinion. But I think I'm 705 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: pretty mellow. I don't know. She would probably have a 706 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: different opinion, but we'll leave that for another show. Okay, 707 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: so let me present a scenario because at my alma 708 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: mater we have a brand new football coach who you 709 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: are related to. What would happen if your son would 710 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: end up playing for your brother? How do you think 711 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: that would go to a couple of phone calls during 712 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: the week telling them, Hey, this is what you gotta do, 713 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,320 Speaker 1: this is what you can do. Yeah, we're really excited. 714 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: My brother James, you know, I know coach O'Brien was 715 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: excited that when he got the job at at Brown, 716 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: and you know he was down here about a week ago, 717 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: and you know he had a chance to come out 718 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: and watch us do some OTAs and you know, we 719 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,399 Speaker 1: know he'll do a really really good job there. John 720 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: Perry joining us on Texas Radio. Okay, it looks like 721 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: you have a really good group out there, very deep, 722 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: diverse group. I know, not everybody's able to practice because 723 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: of injuries or whatever, but what do you think of 724 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 1: the group overall that you're coaching right now. I think 725 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: it's just a really good grow group because you know, 726 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: when you look at DeAndre and Will and just the 727 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: way they're approached this offseason, even from an injury standpoint, 728 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: they're great in the training room, and then when they 729 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: come into the meeting rooms, they're communicative in you know 730 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: and pointing out things to younger players and really absorbing 731 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: some of the things that we're talking about anyway, So 732 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: that's that's where it starts. And then you know, other 733 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: than those guys, you really don't have any and you know, 734 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 1: you call those the veterans in our group, and they're 735 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: both young players themselves. And then you know, you have, 736 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:17,320 Speaker 1: you know, a good stock of young players. Um, the 737 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: you know includes a lot of different guys and a 738 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: lot of different skill sets and and we're, uh, we 739 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 1: were very close last year to being where we want 740 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 1: to be as a room in terms of you know, 741 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: skill set, skill set diversity, and uh, you know, I 742 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: think we're even getting closer with that you know, with 743 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: some of these college free agents we brought in and 744 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: and that's so critical in our room because if you 745 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: just have every guy be the same, we can't take 746 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 1: advantage of the defense we wanted the way we want 747 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 1: to and and so we're getting closer to having a 748 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,720 Speaker 1: full skill set diversity group and that's really exciting for me. Coach. 749 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: You've been there every step of the way for for Will, 750 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,839 Speaker 1: and we started to see that last year, especially week two. 751 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: He missed Week one. He comes back in Week two 752 00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: against Tennessee and you could see that up until he 753 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: gets against Miami. What was so key to his progress 754 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: last year and what have you seen in his growth 755 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: since he's been here. Well, one of the things we 756 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: talked about, you know when when I first got into 757 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: the receiver room was just you know, just catching the 758 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 1: ball on a consistent basis, and he did a really 759 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: good job of that two years ago. And then you 760 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 1: know last year, up until when he got hurt, he 761 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: didn't have any drops. So we were really excited about that. 762 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,799 Speaker 1: The thing that we talked about last offseason with him 763 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: was just you know, getting stronger and doing a great 764 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: job in the weight room and just increasing his play 765 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: strength and the way I watched that out on the 766 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: field as he grew last year was incredible. And the 767 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 1: best thing about that is, you know, when I asked Will, 768 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: I said, do you feel stronger out there? His first 769 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: initial reaction was like no, And then I showed him 770 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 1: some examples of where it showed up and he was like, wow, 771 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: you're right. You know, like some times where maybe he 772 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: got out battled for the ball a couple of years ago, 773 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,359 Speaker 1: where last year he was battling for that ball. And 774 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: so that's really encouraging for a coaching standpoint, is just 775 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: watching these guys like take the opportunity to look in 776 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 1: a mirror and say this is what I need to 777 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 1: do to get better. And both those guys have done 778 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 1: that in the time I've been here, and now you're 779 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 1: starting to see that trickle down into a guy like 780 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 1: Kiki Kuti, who has been out there every single day 781 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: for us here in OTAs. And you know, so like 782 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: that kind of you know, unspoken leadership from Hop and 783 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: Will has really, uh, you know, going to pay a 784 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 1: lot of dividends as we go forward with QT and 785 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 1: Vincent Smith. You're looking for a year one to year 786 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: two jump here so what about that with each of 787 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: those guys. So a lot of pressure on those guys 788 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: in terms of that because a lot of people talk 789 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: to him about that year one to year two. So again, 790 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: I think the big thing is just making sure you 791 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: look at yourself and say, Okay, what are the things 792 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 1: that I can get better at. One of the things 793 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: we really tried to stress with Kiki, because he's a 794 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,800 Speaker 1: very instinctual player, is just saying, hey, we got to 795 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:58,320 Speaker 1: look at recognizing coverages from that standpoint, doing that earlier 796 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 1: pre snap post snap. And he's really worked on that 797 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: both in the meeting room and on the field, and 798 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: you get so many different looks from UM coach Cornell 799 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: that you know, just it makes it a lot easier 800 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: for him to you know, work on that. And then 801 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: from Vincent, you know, the big thing is really just 802 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: being able to be confident to know that, like you know, 803 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: last year, I think to jump from limestone to hear 804 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: was you know, an enormous jump. So I think just 805 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: you know, feeling like hey, I belong and you know, 806 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: and then being able to like break down, Okay, here's 807 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: the things I need to work on, you know, from that, 808 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 1: and he knows that there's you know, enough things they 809 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 1: have to fill all of OTAs and and he's really 810 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 1: taking a great approach this offseason to doing that and 811 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,319 Speaker 1: you're seeing some improvement there. So it's good coach. We 812 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,839 Speaker 1: appreciate the time. Best of luck, Thank you very much. 813 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 1: Could see you guys go Rangers. Yeah, look at coach 814 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,800 Speaker 1: sneaking down in for his boy who would be the 815 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: quarterback at Clements this year. And I got Clements ties. 816 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: My mom taught there when Clements opened up back in 817 00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: eighty three or eighty four, and so I look Clements Kampner. 818 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: My mom was at both those places. So Fourth Bend 819 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,480 Speaker 1: District kind of pulls tugs up my heartstrings a little bit. 820 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 1: So there you go. John Pagano, John Perry, Romeo Crennell, 821 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: and Carl Smith the leadership council for this team. Now 822 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 1: as we get ready for training camp, We've got plenty 823 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 1: of stuff for you. Mark's gonna be back next week 824 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 1: and so we're gonna crank it up and gear up 825 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,319 Speaker 1: for our Texas training Camp live appearances, which will start 826 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,919 Speaker 1: on Thursday, July twenty fifth. The team reports the day before, 827 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 1: but that'll be the first day of practice. Mark and 828 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 1: I'll be out there bright and early, ready to go 829 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,919 Speaker 1: on that Thursday and carry her through the next couple 830 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: of weeks. Will be on the field at Green Bay, 831 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: at the practice field, getting ready for those practices against 832 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 1: the Packers. We'll have you ready for training camp over 833 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: the next few weeks. We cannot wait for all of that. 834 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 1: It is here, folks. The month of July is here. 835 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 1: We are twenty days away from training camp. It's less 836 00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,880 Speaker 1: than three weeks. It's less than three weeks. You guys, 837 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,240 Speaker 1: have a great weekend. We will see you again on Monday. 838 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: Huge thanks to everybody to help me out with theme 839 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 1: week here with the Texans on Texans All Access. You 840 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 1: guys are the best. Enjoy it, have a great night, 841 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,360 Speaker 1: great weekend, and we'll see on Monday. And there's always 842 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 1: go Texans.