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Speaker 1: everyone to the late week edition of Fir Territory. We're

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Speaker 1: We want to talk a lot about what happened, and Alana,

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Speaker 1: I know you're very happy about the outcome.

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Speaker 2: I am ken always good to be with you, and

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Speaker 2: tremendous coverage is always on Fox throughout the World Series.

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Speaker 2: I am obviously excited as a Dodger fan, worked there

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Speaker 2: lot of luster. And I think one of the things

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Speaker 1: Yes, and a lot of Actually, that's what I want

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Speaker 1: Alan, I totally agree with you, and I want to

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Speaker 2: Ken don't you learn in little league? You put the

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Speaker 1: Well, over the years, the three too true outcomes obviously Alana,

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Speaker 2: I like Solaire's bat, but wtf for the Angels doing

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Speaker 1: It didn't turn out well, et cetera, et cetera. Jordan

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Speaker 1: Montgomery cannot worry about what Ken Kendrick is saying. Jordan

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Speaker 1: Montgomery knows he had a horrible year six point two

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Speaker 1: three ERA in one hundred and seventeen innings, six point

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Speaker 1: twenty three. That's not anything that's going to get you

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Speaker 1: paid if you decline a twenty five million dollar club option.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he could have gotten I don't know, two for thirty,

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Speaker 1: three for four maybe, But at the same time, what

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Speaker 1: he wants to do is re establish his value on

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Speaker 1: the one year deal. He'll be on right for twenty

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Speaker 1: five million, good, good salary, no question about that, and

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Speaker 1: then go back into the market again as a better

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Speaker 1: candidate to get a better contract. That's the idea here,

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Speaker 1: and Kendrick's comments couldn't influence that. He had to make

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Speaker 1: the decision that was best for him in a business sense.

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Speaker 2: And honestly, with the full spring training too, I have

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Speaker 2: no doubt that Jordan Montgomery can certainly get back to

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Speaker 2: where maybe not where he was with the Rangers, but

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Speaker 2: certainly better than his six point two three earned run average. Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's go now from grill and Ken to dude and dork.

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Speaker 2: This is the John Fisher dude and dork a ward

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Speaker 2: really the dork part of it, but let's talk about

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Speaker 2: the dudes. First.

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Speaker 1: Ken, go ahead, Walker Buehler. And it was so interesting

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Speaker 1: the other night when he went out to the bullpen.

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Speaker 1: Immediately I thought, hmm, that's interesting. But the moment Jack

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Speaker 1: Flowerty at an ending at a third, the thought was

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Speaker 1: in my head alone and watching this game how are

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Speaker 1: they going to get through this? They had six relievers

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Speaker 1: that they wanted to use, six six iye leverage guys

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Speaker 1: and Dave Roberts's estimation. They had the three guys that

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Speaker 1: they used up the night before, the low leverage guys,

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Speaker 1: all for forty or more pitches. Daniel Hudson had pitched

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Speaker 1: two straight days, had not looked good. So how are

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Speaker 1: they going to get through this? I'm thinking. But then

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Speaker 1: when Bueller goes out there, I'm like, Okay, that makes sense,

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Speaker 1: And yes, David Vissei what he said there is accurate.

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Speaker 1: Bueller on the bus said, hey, man, if things get

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Speaker 1: squirrely tonight, I'm ready, and they kind of laughed at

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Speaker 1: him because they figured Flowerty goes four or five, then

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Speaker 1: we just bullpen the rest of the way. Well, it

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Speaker 1: didn't work out that way. So then Buller goes into

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Speaker 1: the clubhouse somewhere around the sixth inning and says, guys, uh,

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Speaker 1: you said, you know if it gets wonky, Well is

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Speaker 1: this wonky? Yeah? He sure was wonky. And so he

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Speaker 1: comes out of the bullpen one day rest of for

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Speaker 1: a seventy six pitch start and is brilliant in retiring

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Speaker 1: the yank He's won two three, striking out the final

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Speaker 1: two hitters due to the week for me Walker bare Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And that way that you know when he put up

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Speaker 2: his arms like that, I mean, that guy has so

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Speaker 2: much confidence. He does not lack confidence. It's not arrogance.

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Speaker 2: It's a big game pitcher. I loved how he came

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Speaker 2: into the stadium wearing Bulldogs fifty five. Oral repaid the

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Speaker 2: favor on Sports in La where in twenty one, I

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Speaker 2: mean Walker had called Oral. He told this story yesterday

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Speaker 2: on Dodger's Territory. Walker had called Oral asking for the

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Speaker 2: jersey from eighty eight and you know, wanted to wear

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Speaker 2: it throughout the postseason. I mean it's just so many

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Speaker 2: parallels from eighty eight to twenty twenty four. I see

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Speaker 2: a lot of Walker or a lot of Oral in

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Speaker 2: Walker in terms of, you know, the way that they

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Speaker 2: go about their business. So great story. My dude of

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Speaker 2: the week is Freddy Freeman. I mean, just through everything

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Speaker 2: that he's had to go through, obviously with his son

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Speaker 2: Maximus being sick, obviously you mentioned the rib to the

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Speaker 2: ankle issue, everything that he's had to go through, coming

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Speaker 2: up so huge, wanting to play. I mean this is

498
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Speaker 2: a guy that never wants to be out of the lineup.

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Speaker 2: Obviously a massive swing, you know, the Grand Slam to

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Speaker 2: win Game one. Really, I think changing the trajectory of

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Speaker 2: the World Series. Who knows what would have happened if

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Speaker 2: the Yankees won Game one, you know, could have gone

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Speaker 2: a completely different direction. So he is my Dude of

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Speaker 2: the Week and of course the World Series MVP. Congratulations

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Speaker 2: to the Freeman family. Okay, time now for the John

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Speaker 2: Fisher dork of the Week. Can I think you and

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Speaker 2: I are on the same page? Go ahead?

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Speaker 1: No, I was gonna say you take this away, and

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Speaker 1: then I will add go ahead, Mike, definitely on the

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Speaker 1: same page.

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Speaker 2: To the minor. The two idiot fans that decided that

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Speaker 2: it was okay to put their hands on Mookie Bets.

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Speaker 2: I mean, poor Steve Bartman had to recoil and lose

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Speaker 2: everything because of an innocent mistake. In that situation. For

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Speaker 2: the Chicago Cubs, this man had to basically, you know,

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Speaker 2: go out of existence. He had to go into hiding.

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Speaker 2: And these two idiots decided that they were not only

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Speaker 2: going to try to take the ball out of Mooki's glove,

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Speaker 2: but also grabbing onto the wrist and MOOKI, you know,

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Speaker 2: was very professional about it in this post game, but

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Speaker 2: the fact that they thought that that was you know,

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Speaker 2: they're going to be the last line of defense. You

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Speaker 2: don't tell you don't put your hand on a player,

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Speaker 2: you don't try to hurt a player and just act

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Speaker 2: that way. I mean, I just think that they I

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Speaker 2: was upset that they got to you know that they

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Speaker 2: still have season tickets next year. I think the Yankee

528
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 2: should take away their season tickets, not just you know,

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Speaker 2: not let them go to Game five. They're my dorks

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Speaker 2: of the week.

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Speaker 1: No question, They're the dorks of the week. And really,

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Speaker 1: Alani make a great point, they gotta hurt Mooky. Let's

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Speaker 1: say for some reason Mooky's wrist or any part of

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Speaker 1: his arm was compromised there physically, Let's say he had

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Speaker 1: to miss a game or two in the series. Then

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Speaker 1: what And yes, they were thrown out that night, and

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Speaker 1: that was appropriate, But I'm with you they should not

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Speaker 1: be allowed back. I don't care if there's season ticket holders.

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Speaker 1: There is a line that cannot be crossed, and that

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Speaker 1: is the one that they crossed. Like you said, putting

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Speaker 1: your hands on a player and really trying to disrupt

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Speaker 1: him and disrupt the play that was going on. Well,

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Speaker 1: no kidding, he cursed you out. He cursed you out

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Speaker 1: after the fact. The original sin was you guys, do

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Speaker 1: what you did? What do you expect book He's going

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Speaker 1: to say, Hey, guys, I was really nice to you

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Speaker 1: to try and take my arm off. I mean, come on.

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Speaker 1: So I am hoping that the Yankees take a little

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Speaker 1: bit more action here. I thought one game was not

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Speaker 1: nearly enough. We'll see what happens in the days in

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Speaker 1: head with what days ahead with that, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No doubt about it. And I'm glad that a cancer

553
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: patient was able to use those seats. But I do

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00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 2: hope that those guys are never allowed into any Major

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00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: League Baseball stadium again, let alone Yankee Stadium. All Right,

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Speaker 2: So we agree there that the Yankees organization, the way

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00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: that they played throughout the World Series and these twoity,

558
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Speaker 2: it's the way that they handled that season that series

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Speaker 2: are our dorks of the week all right. Time Now

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Speaker 2: what baseballism shirt are you wearing? Let me see step

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Speaker 2: back a little bit here.

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Speaker 1: It is I have to go to.

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Speaker 2: It's that, okay, I love it?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 2: Mine mine is a homage to show Hey Otani obviously

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Speaker 2: this is this started when he was with the Angels,

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Speaker 2: but then he goes over to the Dodgers, wins a

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Speaker 2: World Series and now has obviously seven thousand shirts just

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Speaker 2: for him. All right, So what is next for you?

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Speaker 2: Because the World Series is over, I'm assuming you're going

582
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 2: to winter meetings? What's next for Ken Rosenthal?

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Speaker 1: Well, one, I'm gonna get my voice back. I promise

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Speaker 1: that's going to happen at some point. And then actually

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Speaker 1: this Monday, GM meetings start in San Antonio and I'll

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Speaker 1: be there.

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Speaker 2: My goodness, no rest for the weary Ken Rosenthal. That

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Speaker 2: is why you are the best at what you do.

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Speaker 2: All right, everybody, thank you so much for watching Fair

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Speaker 2: Territory with Ken Rosenthal. He will be back, of course

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Speaker 2: with a new episode next week, and then Foul Territory

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Speaker 2: is next, followed by Dodgers' Territory with myself and Clint

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Speaker 2: to see us at three pm Eastern. Thanks for everything, Kenny,

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Speaker 2: We'll see you soon.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Elana