1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound on podcast. Catch us 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: live weekdays at one Eastern on Bloomberg dot com, the 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app and the Bloomberg Business app, or listen on 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: demand wherever you get your podcasts. 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: With an eye on Capitol Hill and important development you 6 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: should know about. As the House Appropriations Committee approves eight 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 2: hundred twenty six billion dollars for defense spending. This is 8 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 2: the NDAA, the National Defense Authorization Act, thirty four to 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: twenty four party lines. Here on this vote. After contentious 10 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 2: debate over the inclusion of language on abortion and diversity. 11 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 2: We've talked about this a bit before. It brings us 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: back to the Tubberville blockade, as this legislation would prohibit 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: federal employees and their dependents from using any funds indirectly 14 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 2: related to obtaining an abortion. The Defense Secretary's Policy allows 15 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: military personnel and dependence seeking the procedure to take leave 16 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 2: to receive travel allowances, for instance, to states where abortions 17 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: are still performed. This bill would defund, as well, a 18 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: Deputy inspect General's position that Congress created to investigate diversity 19 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 2: inclusion extremism in the military. This is what Tommy Tuberville 20 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 2: wanted the senator Republican senator has been blocking now. At 21 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: last check it was two hundred and fifty Pentagon promotions. 22 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 2: I'm guessing that number's gone up until the abortion policy 23 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: came down. The White House doesn't like this at all. 24 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: In fact, the Press Secretary Karine Jean Pierre called it shameful. 25 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 3: First of all, it's shameful that he's doing this right. 26 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 4: I mean, he needs to be. 27 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 3: Asked a question is why is he putting our national 28 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 3: security at risk? 29 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 4: That is something for a senator to be able to 30 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 4: answer to. 31 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,199 Speaker 5: We're trying to do the right thing by moving forward 32 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 5: and protecting our military readiness and protecting our military families. 33 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: We caught up with Senator Tuberville Bloomberg News. He didn't 34 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: say this to anybody else. It was a pretty remarkable 35 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: reaction to what Karine Jean Pierre said. 36 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 5: We're sticking with what we believe in. It's an illegal bill, 37 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 5: and they're trying to make an d run in the 38 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 5: NDAA and all that. It's not gonna work. They got 39 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 5: change the policy, illegal policy, get a standalone bill on 40 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 5: the floor, in this boat on it. That's how we're 41 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 5: going this thing. 42 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: He added that he didn't think she knew what was 43 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: in the bill. Joining us to talk about this just 44 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: to get things started here before we bring in the 45 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: general is Nick Wadhams Bloomberg's national security reporter. And I 46 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 2: know that this isn't probably what you're covering here today, Nick, 47 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: but I appreciate your joining us to talk about it 48 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 2: because it's awfully important. The last number I saw, like 49 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 2: I said, was two hundred and fifty promotions being held 50 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: up by Tommy Tubberville. And there's a question about its 51 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: impact on readiness. 52 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 6: Well, the Defense Department and Joe Biden, who just called 53 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 6: it an absurd position, they certainly think there's a big 54 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 6: impact on readiness. It was a pretty extraordinary remark from 55 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 6: Senator Turberville in the Washington Post yesterday. He gave an 56 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 6: op ed essentially saying, listen, our military is top heavy 57 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 6: as never before, and he said a lot of these 58 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 6: positions are filled by acting as uh and it only 59 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 6: really affects folks at the very very top, and there's 60 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 6: not much of a of an impact at all. So 61 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 6: he's actually arguing both for the holds and then also saying, well, 62 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 6: they don't really matter anyway, So don't worry about it. 63 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 6: That interesting position to. 64 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 2: Take, Yeah, I guess. So we'll talk to General Pinaro 65 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: for his take on this in a moment, Nick. But 66 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 2: if the legislation that I just described, the NDAA passes, 67 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: becomes law as written, then Tommerville satisfied and brings the 68 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: blockade down. 69 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 6: Well, I don't know. I mean, this is what's so 70 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 6: fascinating about it. We're in such a tangled not here 71 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 6: because what he was saying there in the clip you 72 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 6: just played seemed to suggest that he doesn't think this 73 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 6: is the right way to do it, that the only 74 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 6: way out of this is for Secretary Austin to repeal 75 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 6: this policy which was made, you know, in a memo 76 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 6: to the Defense Department saying that you know, Defense Department 77 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 6: staff and soldiers would be common for travel costs incurred 78 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 6: if they need to seek an abortion across state lines. 79 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 6: So he's saying the way that that was done was illegal. 80 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 6: But you know, the real issue here that I find fascinating, 81 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 6: because we've seen this across foreign policy and defense policy 82 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 6: for a long time, is a lot of senators do 83 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 6: not really want to challenge him on this issue because 84 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 6: they want to reserve the right to exercise holds like 85 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 6: this when it suits their interests. I mean, you've seen 86 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 6: this so many times with ambassadorial nominations, with nominations across agencies. 87 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 6: I mean, look, we are talking now about Senator Tuberville. 88 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 6: This has been an extremely effective move for him. It 89 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 6: really forces the administration to pay attention to him and 90 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 6: his demands. It gets him a lot of attention. And 91 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 6: this has happened time and again for all sorts of positions, 92 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 6: and with increased frequency in recent years. 93 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: Joe Manchin has his own blockade, Bernie Sanders has his 94 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 2: own blockade, and it brings us for all different reasons. 95 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 2: Of course, Yeah, it's a bipartisan moved to your point, 96 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: and it reminds us the power of one in the 97 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: Senate here, I guess right. 98 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 6: And there is you know, there are many many ways 99 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 6: around this. For example, I mean, Senator Tubberville was out 100 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 6: of town a little while ago, and when he was 101 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 6: out of town, the Senate could have basically done an 102 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 6: end run around him, but folks didn't want to do 103 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 6: that because you know, of decorum, and because this also 104 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 6: serves them. I mean, there was the case several years 105 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 6: ago where Tom Cotton held an ambassador appointee or nominee 106 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 6: of President Obamas for I think it was ambassador to Jamaica, 107 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 6: and that nominee died of cancer before she could get 108 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 6: into that post. So I mean, are there are famous cases? 109 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 6: I think this is this one though, is important just 110 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 6: for the sheer number. I mean, as you mentioned, we're 111 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 6: now more certainly more than one hundred and fifty, so 112 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 6: it's really starting to have an impact. 113 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: I appreciate your coming by as ever, always loved talking 114 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 2: to Nick Wadams, Bloomberg National security reporter with us here 115 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: on Bloomberg's Sound On as we add the voice of 116 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 2: retired Major General Arnold Panaro, author of the ever Shrinking 117 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: Fighting Force. General, It's great to have you back on 118 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Radio, and I appreciate your adding some insights to this. 119 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 2: Do you believe that this blockade is impacting military readiness? 120 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 7: Joe absolutely, and I really enjoyed getting that update from Nick. 121 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 7: That was very helpful. But you know, as someone that 122 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 7: served in uniform for over thirty five years in several wars, 123 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 7: who is the staff director of the Senate Armed Services 124 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 7: Committee that handled nominations, I've been at this you know, 125 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 7: over fifty years, and it's certainly impacting readiness. I will 126 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,799 Speaker 7: say that the nominee for the Commandant of the Marine Corps, 127 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 7: General Eric Smith, whose name just got reported out of 128 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 7: the committee to the Senate Executive Calendar yesterday and answer 129 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 7: to this question at his confirmation hearing, and he's one 130 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 7: of the ones that's now being held up. And you're right. 131 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 7: We've added a couple. So they're two hundred and fifty 132 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 7: three flag and general officer nominations on the Senate Executive 133 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 7: Calendar that Senator Tubberville has a hold on, including the 134 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 7: incoming common out of the Marine Corps. And he said, 135 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 7: for example, there's a nominee for the commander of the 136 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 7: third Marine Expeditionary Force based out in the Pacific that 137 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 7: basically is part of our deternent to China. Forty eight 138 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 7: thousand United States Marines would go in harm's way if needed. 139 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 7: It's usually commanded by a three star that's going to 140 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,679 Speaker 7: have more than thirty years worth of experience, probably thirty 141 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 7: five years, and because of the whole they can't get 142 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 7: the new person in there, and it may go to 143 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 7: a junior one star. I was a one star and 144 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 7: I can tell you as a one star I didn't 145 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 7: have the experience I needed to command at that level. 146 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 7: General Smith now he's the nominee and he's testifying this 147 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 7: is not Erald Prenuri said it is hurting military readiness. 148 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 7: A number of former Secretary's Defense have written it said 149 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 7: it's hurting readiness. And so I would say yes at 150 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,679 Speaker 7: this level with this number going to various commands around 151 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 7: the military, both home and abroad, and we also have 152 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 7: combatant commanders, war fighting commanders who are changing over that 153 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 7: would be subject of this whole service chiefs that would 154 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 7: be subject to this whole It is impacting military readiness. 155 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 2: Isn't This also holding up the vote on the new 156 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 2: Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, which is an 157 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: historic appointment. 158 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 8: Well, what now? 159 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 7: General Brown has been nominated. Brown to take over from 160 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 7: General Millie on what October? That's a four year tour 161 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 7: the Chairman has he's not had his confirmation hearing yet, 162 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 7: but he'll probably have it in July, and I guarantee 163 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 7: you he'll be unanimously approved. He's a perfect person at 164 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 7: the right time for this job, with his in depth 165 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 7: experience of China and the endo Pacific. He'll get reported 166 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 7: out of committee on a bipartisan basis, But then if 167 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 7: Turberville Hole is still there, he won't be able to 168 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 7: get confirmed by the Senate, and it could hold that up. Now, 169 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 7: we do have a vice chairman of the Joint Piece 170 00:08:58,280 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 7: of Staff. 171 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 2: So when Senator Tuberville says that this is a bunch 172 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 2: of acting folks who are already in place and everyone's 173 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 2: overplaying this, he's simply not being honest. 174 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 7: He's not well, I don't know I would. I would 175 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 7: never use the word someone's not being honest. I feel 176 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 7: I really don't think he understands the fact because you're 177 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 7: you're talking now about you know, people going from colonel 178 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 7: and captain to one star are one star to two star, 179 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 7: and they're going into various command billits that are in 180 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,599 Speaker 7: the Marine Corps. For example, the commanding general of a 181 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 7: marine division is a is a two star. You don't 182 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 7: have acting people in these in these billets, and some 183 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 7: of these people are losing pay and benefits. They've been 184 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 7: separated from their families. They won't get their pay back 185 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 7: dated once they're confirmed. So it's harming that. It's important 186 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 7: for your listeners to understand that one of the most 187 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 7: sacro sayk aspects of military service is that the selection 188 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 7: and promotion process is basically totally done on merit, and 189 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 7: it's totally done based on those that are best qualified. 190 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 7: It's protected by laws and regulations, and all the people 191 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 7: in our military they need to have confidence that the 192 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 7: promotion process is free from improper influence or politicization. And 193 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 7: Senator Tubabill has basically taken these flag and general officers 194 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 7: as political hostages. He has politicized the military promotion and 195 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 7: confirmation system. And yes, you mentioned that people placed on 196 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 7: holes before, but this is unprecedented. It's either been on 197 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 7: civilian political appointees or federal judges. We've never seen this 198 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 7: with the military. No one's ever crossed that line before. 199 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 7: I think it's really a bad development that he's now 200 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 7: taking our military senior leaders. The other thing I would 201 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 7: point out is I don't think he's factually correct on 202 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 7: the numbers. John McCain, when he was chairman, had a 203 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 7: provision that reduced the senior leadership and flagging generals by 204 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 7: about twenty five percent. So we've gone from about a 205 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 7: one thousand, seven hundred flagging general officers for two point 206 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 7: three million total people in uniform down to under nine hundred, 207 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 7: so I actually think they cut the size of the 208 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 7: flag in General officer corps. But again, these are people, 209 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 7: for example, top leadership in the Air Force and their 210 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 7: key positions, strategy positions. The guy that will be the 211 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 7: military nominee for the head of the Air Combat Command, 212 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 7: our major fighter command that's going to basically take on 213 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 7: our enemies can't move and can't be put in place. 214 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 2: Because of the whole I mentioned. The NDAA approve that 215 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: on the committee level, and I don't want to pull 216 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 2: you into a debate over abortion, but it would prohibit 217 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 2: federal employees and dependence from using funds indirectly related to 218 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 2: obtaining an abortion. It would essentially undo or would it 219 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: what Secretary Austin's policy calls from. 220 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 7: Well, let me speak to that, because there are really 221 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 7: four defense committees that take the bills and pass them. 222 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 7: And let me distinguish the authorization bills from the High 223 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 7: Armed Services Committee and the Senate Armed Services Committee. They 224 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 7: reported their bills out this week on a totally bipartisan basis. 225 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 7: The House Armed Services under the leadership of Mike Rogers 226 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 7: and Adam Smith fifty eight yeses and one no. And 227 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 7: in the Senate under the leadership of Jack Reid and 228 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 7: Senator Wicker twenty four to one. And these are both 229 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 7: very bipartisan. They take on China, they protect Ukraine, they 230 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 7: helped Taiwan, totally bipartisan, and they didn't have any of 231 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 7: what I call the poison pills that you just identified. 232 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 7: That was the House Defensive Appropriation bill that was marked 233 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 7: up on a partisan basis. Frankly, that's the first time 234 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 7: that bill. You know, typically both the defensi Appropriation committees 235 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 7: and the House and the Senate operate on a bipartisan basis. 236 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 7: But that bill has all these poison pills, including the 237 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 7: one on abortion policy. It doesn't stand a chance of 238 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 7: ever getting passed into law. Being quite honest, it's you know, 239 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 7: even if it got through conference with the Senate, which 240 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 7: it won't, the President with veto at they wouldn't override 241 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 7: the veto. So that's not going to fix the issue. 242 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 7: Senator Tubber, bill is part of the Senate process. If 243 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 7: he read the book how our laws are made. He 244 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 7: can offer an amendment to a bill, he can offer 245 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 7: a bill, he can get a vote up or down, 246 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 7: and he either has the vote or he doesn't have 247 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 7: the votes. That's how you change policy. You don't hold 248 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 7: up our war fighting military as political hostages. 249 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 2: Well, General, next time we have you back, we'll sing 250 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 2: Schoolhouse Rock together, because there's a lot more I want 251 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: to ask you about inside whichever bill becomes law here. 252 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 2: When it comes to defense spending, there's been a grand debate, 253 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 2: as you well know, about what level it should be 254 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 2: at and what we should be spending and buying with 255 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 2: that money. Retired Major General Arnold Panaro his book ever 256 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: Shrinking Fighting Force. General, thank you for your insights today 257 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 2: on sound On, I'm Joe Matthew in Washington. We'll keep 258 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 2: you posted on this. Of course, if you're with us 259 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: every day here from the nation's capital, you know you'll 260 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 2: get an answer to the NDAA and we'll talk it 261 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 2: when it happens. 262 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: You're listening to The Bloomberg Sound on podcast. Catch the 263 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: program live weekdays at one Eastern on Bloomberg Radio, the 264 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: tune in alf, Bloomberg dot Com, and the Bloomberg Business app. 265 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: You can also listen live on Amazon Alexa from our 266 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: flagship New York station, Just say Alexa play Bloomberg eleven thirty. 267 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 2: With an eye on the Supreme Court today. Thanks for 268 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 2: coming along this Friday. I'm Joe Matthew in Washington. As 269 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 2: we assemble our panel, Genie Shanzano and Rick Davis are 270 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 2: with us Bloomberg Politics contributors with one down and three 271 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 2: to go. If you were with us at the top 272 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: of the program, you heard Greg Store explaining quite effectively 273 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: this new ruling eight to one the Supreme Court allowing 274 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 2: the Biden Administration's apprehension and deportation policy to replace what 275 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 2: was left from Donald Trump. And this will allow the 276 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 2: administration to focus its efforts on who it believes are 277 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: the most dangerous illegal immigrants the country and those recently 278 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 2: crossing illegally, as opposed to rounding up every illegal immigrant 279 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: in the country. Genie Shanzano with me here in Washington. 280 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 2: What's your thought on this, Genie? Knowing that immigration the border, 281 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: maybe after inflation, is going to be the number one 282 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 2: issue Republicans use to try to cudgel Joe Biden in 283 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: this election. 284 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 9: Yeah, and we just saw the attempt or the talk 285 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 9: about impeaching Joe Biden was all based on his what's 286 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 9: described Lauren Bobert, what's described as his inability to control 287 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 9: the border. And so it is fascinating to see that 288 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 9: you have the court, you know, not unanimous, but as 289 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 9: close as you can get in an eight to one. 290 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 9: And I have to say I'm not surprised by the decision. 291 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 9: I think it makes good sense because if you just 292 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 9: think about it practically, trying to put the politics aside, 293 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 9: executives have to have the ability. Law enforcement officials have 294 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 9: to have the ability to use resources that they have 295 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 9: available to make decisions on who they're going to focus 296 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 9: their energies on. They simply don't have the funding, don't 297 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 9: have the man and women power to you know, round 298 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 9: up anybody and everybody. So the idea that you were 299 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 9: going to strip them of that and force them to 300 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 9: do this, it's never made much sense to me. So 301 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 9: I'm not surprised by the ruling, but I am hurt 302 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 9: in that it was an eight to one on such 303 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 9: a controversial issue. 304 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, are you surprised by that lopsided number? Rick, this 305 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 2: is the conservative court, this is the Donald Trump Supreme 306 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 2: Court ruling here. 307 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm not surprised, actually, because I think the crux 308 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 10: of the decision isn't so much you know what the 309 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 10: immigration policy is It's like, when can a state actually 310 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 10: challenge federal policy, regardless of whether it's immigration or something else. 311 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 10: And I think it's an indication that this Supreme Court 312 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 10: doesn't want the states just willy nilly going after policy 313 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 10: making at the federal level. And I think this could 314 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 10: have a profound impact on quite a few of these 315 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 10: other cases, including the student debt forgiveness case. So I 316 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 10: think that this is a clear indication from this Court 317 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 10: that these over zealous attorney generals that have really had 318 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 10: their run of it for the last two decades challenging 319 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 10: federal policy are going to be put back in their place. Well, 320 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 10: Genie Terra Lee Grove had interesting insights on what we're 321 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 10: going to hear next. We're looking for student loan forgiveness, 322 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 10: we're looking for affirmative action, and then there's this election 323 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 10: theory case. She seems to only be expecting a real 324 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 10: decision here by the Supreme Court on the affirmative action case. 325 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 10: You work in academia. This would have massive ripple effects 326 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 10: across the country. 327 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 9: It will, and you know, I was just looking at 328 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 9: some polling. It is, you know, remains a very divisive issue. 329 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 9: It has for a number of decades. You go back 330 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 9: to the very early cases out of California in the 331 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 9: nineteen seventies on this, it has remained divisive, particularly important 332 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 9: in my business and in the area of academia, where 333 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 9: we prize diversity and want faculty, staff, administration, and students 334 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 9: to be diverse. But getting there has always been the problem. 335 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 9: I do think, and I agree with Tara on this, 336 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 9: we likely will see a decision on the Court. I 337 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 9: think this is going to be a much more narrowly 338 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 9: construed decision, and I do think we could see, you know, 339 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 9: something of a six three, five four, And I do 340 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,719 Speaker 9: think it is going to be a little bit opposed 341 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 9: to what we see in the polls, which is about 342 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 9: fifty seven percent of Americans say they do believe in 343 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 9: some form of affirmative action and higher ed. I think 344 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 9: the court sort of divided as it is, I think 345 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 9: we would likely see them go in the opposite direction 346 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 9: on that. I would at least I wouldn't be surprised 347 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 9: if we see that. 348 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 2: What's your thought on that, Rick, Does that ring true 349 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 2: to you? For conservative justices to strike down affirmative action. 350 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 10: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. I think that you know 351 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 10: this has been forecast in some of the Q and 352 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 10: A that happened during the course of the trial. We'll 353 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,239 Speaker 10: see this has been a little less predictable court than 354 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 10: I think a lot of people thought it was going 355 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 10: to be. And I think that is the one case 356 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 10: that I think could be determined on its merits, not 357 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 10: on the process. 358 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 2: I'd like to ask you both about Dobbs as we 359 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 2: will mark one year tomorrow. I can't believe a year 360 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 2: has gone by. And by the way, I will never 361 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 2: forget that day standing in front of the Supreme Court 362 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 2: in the heat, with just a mob of people who 363 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 2: came out of nowhere to react to that ruling. There 364 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 2: was an event today on Capitol Hill. The Democratic leadership 365 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 2: got together. Hakim Jeffries was there. He called Dobbs a 366 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 2: ruling from the Supreme Court's Hall of shame, and the 367 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 2: former Speaker showed up too. 368 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 8: This is not just about abortion, or that would be 369 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 8: reason enough. This is about total respect for women exercising 370 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 8: their free will to honor their responsibilities to meet their 371 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 8: health needs. 372 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 2: And so Democrats have legislation to overturn that ruling, essentially 373 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 2: to give women the right to an abortion on the 374 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 2: federal level, and Hakim Jeffries, of course, the Democratic leader 375 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 2: in the House, says there are only eight votes. 376 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 4: Short this motion to discharge effort for an up or 377 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 4: down vote on the Women's Health Protection Act that now 378 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 4: has support and signatures from two hundred and ten Democrats, 379 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 4: and so we're only eight members short to bring this enlightened, 380 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 4: important piece of legislation to the floor of the House 381 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 4: of Representatives. 382 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 2: Guinie Schanzano, he needs eight votes. Do they exist? 383 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 9: You know, I don't think we know that yet. We 384 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 9: heard John Duarte from California, who's moderate about abortions, say 385 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 9: he might be willing to join the effort. That's about 386 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 9: the only one, I think publicly least I know of 387 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 9: that we've heard of only Republican, the only Republican, I should. 388 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 2: Say, listening to Democrats here, or I guess we have 389 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 2: an attendance issue or a quorum issue. They're going to 390 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 2: need at least a half dozen Republicans. 391 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 9: They would need at least a half dozen, I think. 392 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 9: And you know, but this is as Hakim Jeffries and 393 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 9: as Nancy Gelosi and any Democrat will tell you, they 394 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 9: see this as a win either way. They feel, like, 395 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 9: you know, they would love to get the votes. They'd 396 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 9: love to push this through if they could. Even if 397 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 9: they lose on the vote count, they win in the 398 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 9: minds of the public, certainly of Democrats and independents and 399 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 9: moderates out there among young people. I'm looking at the 400 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 9: latest NBC News Post poll, eighty percent of women between 401 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 9: eighteen and forty nine oppose the Dobbs decision. That's a 402 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 9: ceiling effect. When you get into public opinion polling, eight 403 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 9: out of ten is a big number. Even a third 404 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 9: of GOP voters oppose the decision. 405 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 2: So that's the thing, Rick. Is the House Republican caucus 406 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 2: united in opposition or are there a couple of moderates 407 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 2: around who who might do business with Hakim Jeffreys on 408 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 2: this No, I think the Republicans are united. 409 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 10: They would never want to contribute, regardless of their views 410 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 10: on abortion, to a Democratic win on this issue, and 411 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 10: they know they're vulnerable on this issue. You get primary 412 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 10: if they read the polls right. And even though even 413 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 10: though they've been smarting for the election in twenty twenty two, 414 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 10: based largely in part of not having a winning message 415 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 10: on abortion, they're not slowing down, and it's indicative of 416 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 10: what Republicans are saying on the stump right now for president. 417 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 10: But you know, it runs counter to the polling. But 418 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 10: in this case, this is a base issue and they're 419 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 10: sticking by the base. 420 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 2: I don't know what the lesson is here, Genie, but 421 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 2: it just this was the case that woke people up 422 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 2: to pay attention to the court, that woke up young 423 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 2: people to say, you know what things have actually changed 424 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 2: in this country. 425 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 9: It did, and I mentioned the women GOP voters. Sixty 426 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 9: percent of independent voters in that poll opposed the Dobbs decision. 427 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 9: It's the first time in American history a fundamental right 428 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 9: that we had for half a century was removed or 429 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 9: taken away. As of today, a year in, if you 430 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 9: want to get an abortion in this country, you're going 431 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 9: to have to travel three times further than you did 432 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 9: just a year ago. These are astonishing changes. And it's 433 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 9: not about abortion. In the minds of many people, it's 434 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 9: about the access to women's health care, and so that's 435 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 9: what's driving this. There's still a lot of people in 436 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 9: the Republican Party in particular who are pro life, but 437 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 9: very few Americans who take a blacker White approach to this. 438 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 9: That's why Roe was in place. Blackman said, it is 439 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 9: a compromise on a really tough issue. That's what it was. 440 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 9: And it was a problematic case and decision. I'm the 441 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 9: first to say that, but it allowed us to move 442 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 9: forward as a nation together. And when they did this 443 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 9: with jobs a year ago, it stripped that and the 444 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 9: states have been going in wildly different directions ever since. 445 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 2: And there's been a conversation about addressing this on the 446 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 2: federal level. On the Republican side as well. Lindsey Graham 447 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 2: remember was proposing I believe it was the fifteen week ban. 448 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 2: You know who came behind that idea. Today he said 449 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 2: at least a fifteen at a minimum, I believe is 450 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 2: the word. Let's listen to Mike Pence at the Faith 451 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 2: and Freedom Conference, this evangelical conference happening today here in Washington. 452 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 11: Fact is, today abortion law in the United States is 453 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 11: more aligned with China and North Korea than with western 454 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 11: nations in Europe. So I want to say from my heart, 455 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 11: every Republican candidate for president should support a ban on 456 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 11: abortion before fifteen weeks as a minimum, nationwide standard. 457 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 2: As a minimum, not massive applause, even though he's preaching 458 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 2: to the choir. Here, we're going to get into that 459 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 2: the Republican candidates are in Washington to speak at this 460 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 2: event leading up to the keynote from Donald Trump tomorrow night. 461 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 2: We've already heard from Chris Christy, you just heard Mike Pence. 462 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 2: Ronda Santis was at the podium as well, and we're 463 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: going to run through all of this coming up with 464 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 2: Rick and Jeanie here on sound On. 465 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound On podcast. Catch us 466 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: live weekdays at one Eastern on Bloomberg dot com, the 467 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, and the Bloomberg Business app, or listen on 468 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: demand wherever you get your podcasts. 469 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 2: Republican candidates converge on Washington for the Faith and Freedom Coalition. 470 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 2: This is an evangelic group holding a big event at 471 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 2: the Washington Hilton. You know this, This is the big 472 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 2: hotel where they do the White House correspondence to dinner 473 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 2: and all this stuff. Well, today it's evangelicals in the 474 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 2: crowd and GOP presidential candidates at the podium, and the 475 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 2: reaction has been very different for all of them, especially 476 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 2: for Chris Christy. 477 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 12: He has let us down because he's unwilling. He's unwilling 478 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 12: to take responsibility for any of the mistakes that were made, 479 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 12: any any of the faults that he has, and any 480 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 12: of the things that he's done. And that is not leadership. Everybody, 481 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 12: that is a failure of leadership. 482 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 2: Some tough words about Donald Trump and I that's what you. 483 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 12: Do all you want. But here's the thing. Our faith 484 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 12: teaches us that people have to take responsibility for what 485 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 12: they do. People have to stand up and take accountability 486 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 12: for what they do. 487 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 2: Former Governor New Jersey spoke this morning. Mike Pence spoke 488 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 2: as well, along with Ron DeSantis. Donald Trump speaks tomorrow night. Basically, 489 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 2: they're all there and Will Hurd might not because he 490 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 2: announced yesterday, but most all of them are there and 491 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 2: we want to reassemble the panel for their thoughts on this. 492 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 2: Rick Davis and Genie Shanze no Bloomberg Politics contributors. Rick, 493 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 2: I guess you could have predicted that Chris Christy would 494 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 2: get booed. That's the whole job, right to go up 495 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 2: there and say what everyone doesn't want to hear. Yeah, exactly. 496 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 10: His entire speech was written to say, how hard do 497 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 10: I want to get booed, and you know, he wants 498 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 10: to pull that trigger because that gets him in the news. 499 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 10: You know, we're talking about him today, and normally he 500 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 10: has really not much of a message for this crowd, 501 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 10: you know, at the Faith and Freedom Foundation or coalition. 502 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 10: But he did a good job of making the accountability 503 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 10: argument and that's what everyone is talking about right now 504 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 10: as it relates to this latest federal indictment because basically 505 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 10: Donald Trump, you know, floated the law and didn't want 506 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 10: any accountability for you know, having taken classified documents home. 507 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 10: So I mean it fits. But he's not the only 508 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,959 Speaker 10: one who's ever been booed there. I mean, in twenty 509 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 10: twenty one, Vice President Penscott boo very badly and that 510 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 10: was because you know, he was taking the wrap from 511 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 10: Donald Trump at the test of course, you know, not 512 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 10: rigging the election. 513 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting, Genie, is that when we say evangelical, 514 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 2: you know, people immediately think sort of Christian conservative. But 515 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 2: what does that mean with the different reactions that we hear, 516 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 2: does it also mean maga? 517 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 9: You know, I think there is an element of that, 518 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 9: there's some crossover. And I have to say, having watched 519 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 9: Chris Christy on the boardwalk in New Jersey for many years. 520 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 9: He can give back as good as he gets. I 521 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 9: think he's just itching to get out there, as he does. 522 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 2: Me and Christy on the border, well not me, not me. 523 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 9: He would he would famously respond when he was heckled 524 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 9: on the boardwalk with his ice cream. So you know, 525 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 9: I think he quite enjoys that. But you know, I 526 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 9: do think there is some crossover to your earlier point, 527 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 9: between the evangelical community and MAGA. I think that that's 528 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 9: something that Donald Trump was able to. You know, I think, 529 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 9: to a surprise many of us in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen, 530 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 9: to make that leap, we didn't quite expect he might 531 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 9: give in his personal history and some of the things 532 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 9: we heard about him. But he was able to do that, 533 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 9: and I think some of them have stuck with him. 534 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 9: You know, there are other candidates who we might suspect 535 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 9: would be more personally and politically appealing. I think of 536 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 9: Mike Pence in particular to the evangelical community and just 537 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 9: about the issue we were just talking about about it 538 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 9: more so this year. 539 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 2: He did not get boomed. It wasn't a standing ovation 540 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 2: at least on the abortion talk. But he did get 541 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 2: some rounds of applause and seemed to be enjoying himself. 542 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 2: Ron de Santis a little different, but they loved the 543 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 2: routine from the governor of Florida. 544 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 13: Here he is, and so we ended Disney's self governing 545 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 13: status in the state. 546 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 2: Of Florida to go straight for Disney. 547 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 13: And I know, and the sad thing is, no, I know, 548 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 13: the sad thing is is a lot of these Republicans 549 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 13: are so with Disney and they're attacking me. 550 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 2: They seem pretty engaged to me, Rick, how does Rondo 551 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 2: Santis play for this crowd? 552 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 5: You know? 553 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 10: Look, I mean his war on the sort of anti 554 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,959 Speaker 10: woke set of issues plays really well with them. He's 555 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 10: you know, taken on more of an abortion mantle, especially 556 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 10: just this year with signing in a lay very aggressive 557 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 10: six week ban you know on abortion. And so he 558 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 10: goes into this conference, you know, with a with quite 559 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 10: a head of steam on social issues. But really, I mean, 560 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 10: you know that that issue he was raising on Disney 561 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 10: is really his anti woke campaign and and and that 562 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 10: has a lot of residents in the Christian community. Uh 563 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 10: and and especially with the political set which is what 564 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 10: this group represents of. 565 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 2: Course, as I mentioned Genie the big speech is smart night. 566 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 2: Donald Trump will loom large at the Washington Hilton on Saturday, 567 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 2: but he's out with a video this morning to justify 568 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 2: his attacks on his fellow Republican candidates here, which he 569 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 2: refers to as not punching back but punching down. Many say, don't. 570 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 14: Punch down when talking about people like Chris Sanunu or 571 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 14: sloppy Chris Christie or Ada Hutchinson. I call him a 572 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 14: not asa because of certain reasons. 573 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 12: Or others. 574 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 14: But sometimes it's necessary to talk badly about those that, 575 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 14: for no reason other than politics, speak badly about you. Otherwise, 576 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 14: the people that love you don't know whether or not 577 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 14: they're for real. 578 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 2: What do you think of that justification? 579 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 9: You know, it's Trump can never avoid, you know, this 580 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 9: sort of violent language he likes to use. 581 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 5: It's you know, he. 582 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 2: Sound like he was making that up as he was going, 583 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 2: though maybe it did. 584 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 9: And it's the exact kind of thing that gets his 585 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 9: crowds going at these rallies. His problem is when he 586 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 9: sits one on one with a real journalist and he 587 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 9: simply cannot answer base questions. But this is the kind 588 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 9: of line that we could hear tomorrow night, and it'll 589 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 9: rally this group. You know, it's comical that, you know, 590 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 9: I think Ada Hutchinson. I mean, there's so many of 591 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 9: these names. You know, he is really a performer to 592 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 9: the utmost degree, but there's no there there when you 593 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 9: talk about the policy. And we heard Brett Beherr from 594 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 9: Fox just in this interview he had the other day 595 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 9: caught him in several of these real clear policy distinctions 596 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 9: that you can't get to and we won't hear about 597 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 9: when he's standing and entertaining a crowd. 598 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 2: I don't know if you have a take on his 599 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 2: punching down or justifying it here. Rick, I realize we're 600 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 2: in the throes of a tough campaign. The nicknames are 601 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 2: a little bit weird, though, He's you know, Ronda sanctimonious. 602 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 2: That really seemed to catch on when he started calling 603 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 2: him Rob. I think you are the one who explained 604 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 2: to me exactly what he was trying to do here. 605 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 2: And now it's Ada Hutchinson. And there's reporting that he's 606 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 2: referring to the Americans with Disabilities Act. I don't know 607 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 2: if that's true, But what do you make of the names? 608 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 10: Yeah, it's it's his form of psychops, right. I mean, 609 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 10: he wants to get under your skin. He wants to 610 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,719 Speaker 10: show how demeaning he can be towards you. And there's nothing, 611 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 10: you know, more personal than a person's name, and so 612 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 10: his laceration of your name is a way to disrespect you, 613 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 10: but also to get under your skin, right, to really, 614 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 10: you know, drive you crazy over the fact that he's 615 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 10: doing this intentionally, and and he's been doing it for years. Right, 616 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 10: this is nothing new. This is right out of the 617 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 10: old Donald Trump playbook. He was doing this long before 618 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 10: he ever entered into politics. And those around him make 619 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 10: good use of this. His advisors and all these people. 620 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 10: They see this as a really great way to try 621 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 10: and demean the other candidates in the race. 622 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 2: Do you both feel that Trump will be best received, 623 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 2: celebrated most by this crowd on Saturday night, Gene, I'm 624 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 2: guessing that's a yes. 625 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 9: I think he will listen, he will entertain them. 626 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, does he own this event tomorrow? 627 00:32:58,880 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: Rick? 628 00:32:59,200 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, he owns it. 629 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 10: I mean, you know, giving the court the conservative majority 630 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 10: that he does for a lifetime, yeap is going to 631 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 10: order the benefit of this group forever. 632 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 2: That's what it comes down to. Rick Davis, Genie Shanzo, 633 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 2: our signature panel on the fastest show in Politics. I'm 634 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 2: Joe Matthew. 635 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound on podcast. 636 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: Catch the program live weekdays at one Eastern on Bloomberg Radio, 637 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: the tune in alf, Bloomberg dot Com, and the Bloomberg 638 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: Business app. You can also listen live on Amazon Alexa 639 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: from our flagship New York station just Say Alexa playing 640 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: Bloomberg eleven thirty. 641 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 2: You might think some lawmakers talk like robots, but an 642 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 2: actual robot made its way into the Capitol yesterday. Is 643 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 2: a special guest before the Subcommittee on Cybersecurity, Information Technology, 644 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 2: and Government Innovation. Chair Nancy mays. 645 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 3: We'll see firsthand today some of the new hardware that's 646 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 3: been deployed. We'll hear examples of current use cases by 647 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 3: federal agencies and what sort of innovations could be coming 648 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 3: around the corner. 649 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 2: Okay, shortly after that, the four legged Vision sixty robot 650 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 2: made by Ghost Robotics, currently used by the Defense Department, 651 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 2: walked into the room. This is like terminator stuff, now 652 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 2: nightmare material. It came in front of the lawmakers and 653 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 2: sat down. 654 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 15: Great, Thank you very much, Michael, Yep. 655 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 2: It looks like my high school algebra teachers listen to 656 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 2: the lawmakers. 657 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: Like an Avengers movie. 658 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 2: Right now, Gavin Kinneely runs Ghost. 659 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 15: Our robot is able to overcome more challenging terrain than 660 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 15: similarly sized wheeled or track machines. It can move on rocks, 661 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 15: sand hills, ice and snow, and can climb up and downstairs. 662 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 2: It can run a ten or eleven minute mile, he says. 663 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 2: The reaction from Congresswoman Margie Taylor Green. 664 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 3: Thank you for the demonstration of the robot dog. 665 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 9: That was really incredible, absolutely intriguing. 666 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 2: It's not a robot dog, it's the Vision sixty. But 667 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 2: it doesn't make us wonder exactly we're going here. The 668 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 2: title of this hearing, Rick and Genie I had to 669 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 2: I had to go here, was using cutting edge technologies 670 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 2: to keep America safe. Is that the actual answer? At 671 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,399 Speaker 2: the border, for instance, we just have a robotic army. 672 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 2: We're already in the AI. Jeanie, this seems inevitable to me. 673 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 9: It does, and I have to say, I don't think 674 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,240 Speaker 9: the borders are biggest problem. I think that guy should 675 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 9: go right up, take the helm, take Congress over maybe 676 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 9: getting the AI cyber guy for president. Who knows we 677 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 9: have a lot of challenges in this country. The borders 678 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,760 Speaker 9: won this guy, he could take over for everybody in Congress. 679 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 9: I think that's what's scaring them. 680 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 2: Send in the robots, Rick, what do you think I 681 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 2: heard they're called quadruped unmanned ground vehicles. Yeah, robot dog 682 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 2: you know. 683 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 10: Look, I mean, you know, if you like, if you 684 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 10: like a piece of machinery following you around the streets 685 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 10: of other thanks, knock yourself out. 686 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 2: My thought is turn and run. Rick and Jeanie, thank 687 00:35:55,080 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 2: you would have a great weekend. 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