1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: We're tired of women talking to women about being harassed 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: about all of the things we deal with because we 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: know already and the conversation now needs to push out 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: beyond that, in particular our male counterparts. 5 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 2: What is shaken? Emilyavadi? 6 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 3: Here, you are listening to another installment of Hurdle Moment 7 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 3: from Hurdle. 8 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 2: A Willness focus podcast. 9 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 3: Reconnect with everyone from your favorite athletes to top experts 10 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 3: and industry CEOs about their highest hies, toughest moments, and 11 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 3: everything in between. We all go through hurdles in life, 12 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 3: and my goal through these discussions is to empower you 13 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 3: to better navigate yours and move with intention so that 14 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 3: you can stride towards your own big potential and of 15 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:08,199 Speaker 3: course have some fun along the way. For today's episode, 16 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 3: I am bringing in my girl, Jesse Zappo. She is 17 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 3: a performance coach for Adidas Runners as well as the 18 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 3: founder of Girls Run NYC and I would be remiss 19 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 3: if I didn't say that right off the bat. I 20 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 3: hate how relevant the topic of our conversation is today. 21 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 2: I had Jesse. 22 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 3: Come into the studio to record a couple of months ago, 23 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: shortly after we sat down for a forum panel discussion 24 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 3: on runner safety here in New York. I had Jesse 25 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: come in. We chatted one on one and as this 26 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 3: episode was slated to run this week. As I was 27 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 3: editing this episode, I caught the news that a twenty 28 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 3: six year old woman was shot during her run on 29 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 3: Monday night, January thirtieth in Nashville, Tennessee. And I just 30 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 3: sat here at my desk beside myself because it's like, 31 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 3: you want to ask, like, when is this going to stop? 32 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 3: And the answer is there is no answer. When we 33 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 3: had the conversation about runner safety back in twenty twenty two, 34 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 3: it was shortly after the murder of Liza Fletcher, and Liza, 35 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 3: as we say in this conversation, was not the first 36 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 3: person to lose her life on a run and certainly 37 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 3: not the last. And so in today's conversation, as I said, 38 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 3: a little too relevant this week, we talk about a 39 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 3: lot of things when it comes to runner safety. We 40 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 3: talk about how the two of us as New Yorkers 41 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 3: feel about running right now, both alone and in groups. 42 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 3: We chat about how you can be more safe on 43 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 3: the run and maybe tools that the both of us 44 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 3: are using. We also address the topic of allyship and 45 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 3: what it can look like for people to come together, 46 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 3: regardless of gender, women, men, non binary folks coming together 47 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 3: to show up for one another on the run to 48 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 3: make our communities safer. It's a timely discussion, It's an 49 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 3: important discussion, and I'm so grateful for Jesse's time and 50 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 3: truly insightful takes on how we can take care of 51 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 3: one another on the run. Make sure you're following along 52 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 3: with Hurdle over on social It's at Hurdle Podcast. I 53 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 3: am over at Emily a body. If you want to 54 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 3: chime in on this, if you have a listener question 55 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 3: that you want to share, I'm all ears. The link 56 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 3: to leave me a voice message and share a question 57 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 3: is in the show notes. Also of note, I'll be 58 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 3: hosting another panel discussion on runner safety the week of 59 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 3: LA Marathon on March fifteenth. More details to come, but 60 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 3: if your local save the date. And with that, let's 61 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 3: get to it. Let's get to hurtling Today, I'm sitting 62 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 3: down with Jesse Zappo. 63 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: How are you doing? 64 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: I'm doing well. 65 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 2: Thank you. 66 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 3: Your voice sounds so nice on podcast. Has anyone ever 67 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 3: told you have a nice podcast voice? 68 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: Actually no, but I send voice notes to people and 69 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: people like that, so. 70 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 3: Oh see, okay, well, Jesse, Jesse is your full last name, Zappo. 71 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: It is not so Zappo is my dad's nickname. It 72 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:44,239 Speaker 1: became kind of a family nickname. My childhood name is Jesse. 73 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: When I got into my first career as an art therapist, 74 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: everyone knew me as Jessica Zappo Technie, which is my 75 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: full name. And then my little sister said, I'm going 76 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: to make you a Facebook account. You should get on Facebook, 77 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: and I said, okay, but I don't want my professional 78 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: folks to find me on Facebook. I want to keep 79 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: it separate. So I was like, let me use my 80 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: childhood nickname, Jesse Zappo. And then that's where the running 81 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: community found me and knew me as Jesse. 82 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad to have you, whether we go full 83 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 3: last name or partial last name. We are here today 84 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 3: to talk or continue our conversation on runner safety, you know, 85 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: for those of you that maybe out of the loop. 86 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 3: I hosted an event over New York City Marathon weekend 87 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 3: and Jesse was a part of that dialogue and we 88 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 3: chatted on runner safety, especially in the wake of events 89 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 3: that have happened recently. Jesse herself is the Adidas Runners 90 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 3: Performance coach and captain and also the founder of an 91 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 3: organization here called Girls Run NYC. And So, because so 92 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 3: many of you reached out to me and said that 93 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 3: you wished that you could have been a part of 94 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 3: that conversation or listened in on that conversation, I asked 95 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 3: Jesse if she would do me the honor of joining 96 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 3: me in the studio so we could kind of rap 97 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 3: about it and talk about some of our takeaways, but 98 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 3: also bring forth some of that information. I'd love it 99 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 3: if you could give the hurdlers a little bit of 100 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 3: information about you and your journey with running, because obviously 101 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 3: it's not like one day you raised your hand and 102 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 3: you said I want to be the Runners performance coach 103 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 3: for Adidas. So talk to me a little bit about that. 104 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. 105 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: Thanks. So I think people reach out to me a 106 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: lot and ask like, how how did you get to 107 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: where you are? That's interesting. You're a woman, you're a 108 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: performance coach, you you know, work in the community space. 109 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: It was not a linear path by any means. I 110 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: think my journey definitely started. I was a teenager. I 111 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: ran track and field, I played volleyball, I had a 112 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: sports affinity and background growing up. Also was one of 113 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: eight children, so a lot of the time I was 114 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: playing with my siblings and also had an interest in 115 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: helping others. It's kind of always been a piece of 116 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: my identity was volunteering or tutoring or you know, always 117 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: sort of thinking social justice minded. So when it came 118 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: time to think about college I went to I had 119 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: a couple of different routes, like go play volleyball at 120 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: a school, or go to art school. I chose art school, 121 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: which led me down a path towards art therapy. I 122 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: was working in actually a maximum security facility with young 123 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: people outside of Detroit and as a teaching artist, and 124 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: so I just saw the importance of helping others. I 125 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: think I was kind of raised that way, and as 126 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: I moved to New York, studied art therapy here, became 127 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: an art therapist, but always had running as a thing 128 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: I did for myself. I got into distance running when 129 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: I was in my twenties, kind of for stress management. 130 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: Always ran alone until I was bartending in the No 131 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: Lita Ish Lower East Side area. Kept running into this 132 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: one particular person who was like, Hey, do you want 133 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: to come try my run group, and I think after 134 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: like six months, I was like, all right, fine, I'll 135 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: come try your run group. And that turned out to 136 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: be the New York City Bridge Runners in its infancy. 137 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: I started out running with them and just loved the 138 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: community aspect of being around other people who wanted to 139 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: push themselves to be better, but that were also kind 140 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: of like non traditional runners. So I don't think I 141 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: ever identified myself really as a runner, but had been 142 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: running ten years up to that point. 143 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 3: Right, isn't that funny that people do that all the time. Yeah, 144 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 3: it's like, oh, I don't know if I'm a runner, 145 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 3: but yet you go out three times a week and 146 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 3: you have shoes that you specifically run in. 147 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 2: It's just an identity, yeah, an identity thing. Yeah. 148 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: And I think even maybe, and that was like early 149 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: two thousands, there was a very different way that people 150 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: presented themselves in the world because this is pre social media, 151 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: so it was kind of hard to like give yourself 152 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: a title, like it felt like you had to earn 153 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: something to have a title. So I think this idea 154 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: of calling yourself a runner, you were like, can I 155 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: call myself a runner? I didn't do XYZ, right, and 156 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: I feel like we've moved way beyond that at this point, 157 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: and hopefully people who run can add that as part 158 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: of their identity. 159 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: Thank god. Yeah. 160 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really beautiful to hopefully empower people and access 161 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 3: point regardless of where they are on their journey. And 162 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 3: I feel like this sentiment keeps coming up on the 163 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 3: show lately, but that idea of in order to be her, 164 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 3: you need to see her. Now on social media we 165 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 3: see runners of all types. 166 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 2: Still. 167 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 3: That doesn't mean, though, that runners of all types always 168 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 3: feel welcomed in the running community right from the get go, 169 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 3: but I do believe that that at least empowers more 170 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 3: individuals to call themselves a runner. Absolutely. 171 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 172 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 3: Okay, so you were bartending, you say, fine, I'll try 173 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 3: your run group, and suddenly you're running with Bridge Runners. 174 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 2: Yeah okay, yeah. 175 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: And you know that was like, I don't know, two 176 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: thousand and four or somewhere around then. I was still 177 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: early twenties. I thought three miles was a lot, and 178 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: so I I think I ran four miles like the 179 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: first time I ever went with them, And there was 180 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: that moment, I mean, that's an unforgettable moment for me, 181 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: which was just like breaking the three mile barrier, which 182 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: to me is a real thing. Three miles is always hard. 183 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,719 Speaker 1: So that was a moment where I saw that there 184 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: was something more on the other side. And then I 185 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: think I continued to chase that idea of something more 186 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: with a group of people who were actually very supportive. 187 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: And it also happened to be a group that was 188 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: running at night. And you know, I worked in night life, 189 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: so I wasn't getting up early to go run. That 190 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: wasn't in my schedule. It wasn't really in my like 191 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: ability at that time. So to have a group that 192 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: was meeting at seven or eight at night and running 193 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 1: in the dark, like I could do that because it 194 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: was a group, and it was a group of guys 195 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: that I felt safe running with. And I think, you know, 196 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: I mentioned it on the panel because I was sitting 197 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: next to Coffee and he was talking about he loves 198 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: running at midnight, and I think a couple of us 199 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: women were like, Oh, my god, wouldn't that be nice 200 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: to be able to run at midnight as a woman 201 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: and not have to worry about it. And it was 202 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: being in that group that provided that access point for 203 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: me where I didn't feel afraid because of having the 204 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: men in the group who were supportive and protective. But 205 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: it's not lost on me that there are certain doors 206 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: that are shut for folks because of our gender, because 207 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: of our orientation. 208 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 2: Yeah. 209 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, First things first, it's so interesting to hear you 210 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 3: say that when you first started running, you were exclusively 211 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 3: doing it alone. Knowing that now today, how often would 212 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 3: you say that you actually run alone? 213 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: Honestly, it's pretty rare. Although I will be going into 214 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: a training cycle in the off season right now where 215 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: a lot of those miles are probably going to be 216 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: alone because my running buddy moved to la oh gosh. 217 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: So it's a little daunting. Yeah, And it means I 218 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: have to think about what my day looks like. 219 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 3: I had that thought for the first time the other 220 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 3: day as well. I haven't been running a lot since 221 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 3: everything happened with Liza Fletcher, and the people listening to 222 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 3: this don't need me to tell them that. Obviously, Liza 223 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 3: is not the first runner to be injured, harassed. She 224 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 3: was unfortunately kidnapped and murdered. But she's not the first 225 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 3: and she won't be the last. And all of this 226 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 3: makes me think about how I feel about running early 227 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 3: in the morning, something that once gave me so much 228 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 3: solace and now the thought of it makes me truly 229 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 3: pretty anxious. 230 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 1: I think it's really unfortunate to keep having this conversation 231 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: over year after or year, and I think that's where 232 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: what kind of got me to the point of where 233 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: the focus of my energy is right now on the 234 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: issue of safety, which is that it's not a women's issue, 235 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: it's a human issue, and getting to the root of 236 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: why and really finding action oriented ways of approaching it, 237 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: because because we're going to keep having this conversation right 238 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: where we have a lot of power in the running 239 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: community that we're already living existing in is that we 240 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: have people coming together across gender, ethnicity, orientation and finding 241 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: some common ground and running. And so it already is 242 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: this like massive group of people who we could mobilize 243 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: towards doing something positive. And I think we saw a 244 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: lot of that, like you know, into twenty one, just 245 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: the social change aspect of being able to bring folks 246 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: in the running community together. And so I think this 247 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: topic of women's safety not just women's safety, it's safety 248 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: for people of color, for LGBT plus community, that that 249 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: is something that people can rally around that we could 250 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: actually make some really positive change towards But it's not 251 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: it's not going to end like it's not going to 252 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: end gender based violence. But I think the point is 253 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: that we want to feel like we have some power 254 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: to make some. 255 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 3: Steps before we dive a little bit more into that. 256 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 3: I want to bring up some statistics for us to 257 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 3: work off of. So in a recent Runners World survey, 258 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 3: eighty four percent of women noted that they'd been harassed 259 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 3: while running, seventy percent of men have not. Twenty five 260 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 3: percent of those surveyed said that they're regularly subjected to 261 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 3: sexist comments, are unwanted sexual advances, and one in five 262 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: have felt more harassed since the first national lockdown. Also, 263 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 3: let it be known that those that identify as BIPICK 264 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 3: or LGBTQ are more likely to experience sexual harassment, sex 265 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 3: based discrimination, and sexual assault. How does hearing all that 266 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 3: even make you feel? 267 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: It makes me feel angry. 268 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would have. 269 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: To guess that many people have been pushing that anger 270 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: down for a long time just so that they can 271 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: get themselves to get up and go out and run. 272 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: There was a woman actually at our panel who's towards 273 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: the end was like all of this, like it's so frustrating, 274 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: Like how do we still feel hopeful to keep lacing 275 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: up and going out and running? Like it's it's really hard, 276 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: And I think it's true. 277 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 2: I think. 278 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: It's almost like this topic is opening up a Pandora's 279 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: box because it's something we've been dealing with, or deal 280 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: with on a daily basis, that you put away so 281 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 1: that you can keep going out the door and going 282 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,719 Speaker 1: to work. You can keep putting your shoes on and running. 283 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: You can sign up for another marathon and train for it, 284 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 1: and you know, we're we are fortunate we can keep 285 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: doing that. Not everyone has had that experience. For some 286 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: it can be debilitating and it means they're not going 287 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: out there and running. 288 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 3: Right right, And so this then brings us to that 289 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 3: conversation of how we can move forward despite at times 290 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 3: being so crippled, and that for you, with your work 291 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 3: at Adidas Runners, has really become a conversation about allyship. 292 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 2: So why don't we dive in there? 293 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 3: Why don't you tell me little bit about what allyship 294 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 3: looks like in the case of gender based violence? 295 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, I mean to rewind a little bit to 296 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, there was a professional athlete who ran 297 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 1: for Adidas. Her name was Agnes tear Up. She broke 298 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: the world record in the ten k at this race 299 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: called Road to Records. She was a Kenyan athlete, young 300 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: at the beginning of her career, and several of her 301 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: fellow athletes also raced for Adidas. She was murdered a 302 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: few months later after winning the world record and by 303 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: her partner. So it was a domestic violence incident. And 304 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 1: when that happened, I think, you know, I'm as a 305 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: an athlete who works for Adidas, but just on a 306 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: different end in the community aspect. It shook up the 307 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: community within Adidas because they were like, it felt really 308 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: close to home. And so that sparked a conversation amongst 309 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: all of the women coaches and captains who were within 310 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: Adidas Runners globally around gender based violence. And once you 311 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: start the conversation, you'd begin to hear more and more 312 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: and more stories of incidences. So the initiative that we 313 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: basically came towards was we're tired of women talking to 314 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: women about being harassed about all of the things we 315 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: deal with because we know already and I think that 316 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: we felt the conversation now needs to push out beyond that, 317 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: in particular our male counterparts. And then when that conversation 318 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: started happening, people were like yeah, they started sharing things like, oh, 319 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: as a women coach, you know, some of my male 320 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: counterparts don't like support me and they don't support my voice, 321 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: and so like athletes don't listen to me and they 322 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: It just started this whole other conversation around like the 323 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: support from male or non women counterparts within our own 324 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: communities and how that was happening really great in some 325 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,719 Speaker 1: places and then not as great in others. And so 326 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 1: we kind of started from there with this initiative and 327 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: it's called with Women We Run. And the idea is 328 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: one sort of identifying the issues. And I think you 329 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: know where gender based violence comes from, or violence against 330 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: others is is often someone feeling that someone else is 331 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: lesser than or that's societally people are lesser than or 332 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: othered and so it's a deep issue. But the idea 333 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: around creating allahship, whether it's for our BIPOC community members 334 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: or LGBTQ community members or women, that it's standing alongside 335 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: someone and saying like they actually deserve equal or more 336 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: support and representation at this time, and so I think 337 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: it's has started with conversations. It started with people sharing 338 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: personal stories and then listening, and then I think the 339 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: goal is to go further from there, which is like 340 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: also understanding like what are some of the issues that 341 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: women are facing on a daily basis, or what are 342 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: some of the ways that our counterparts are maybe contributing 343 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: to those issues or they're not contributing to a solution. 344 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: We're still in the beginning of it, but to me, 345 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: it feels like the type of work that is going 346 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: to need to happen for longer change and lasting change, 347 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: versus other things that we already have to do, which 348 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: is like take self defense courses or Carrie Mace or 349 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: Carrie abiity or tell people where you're running. Like there's 350 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: all these practical things that like we should do and 351 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: we know we have to do, and it's important to 352 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: identify those. So we're also like helping other women create 353 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: safe practices around running. But like that's only one layer, 354 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:50,239 Speaker 1: and I think the deeper layer is okay, outside of that, 355 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: are what are our male coaches doing within our communities 356 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: to make a safe space. You know, what type of 357 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: behavior maybe goes unchecked even within our own groups. And 358 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: for me as a woman who's leading a community, a 359 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: lot of times it also feels not great to be 360 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: the one that's like calling out behavior that's bad because 361 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, then you're also you're continuing to put 362 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: me in this like space of being the mother or 363 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: being you know whatever, and that's not solving the problem. 364 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: And so it's been really cool to have these conversations 365 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: with other men who are like, yeah, I stand next 366 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: to you and like I'm going to call out that behavior, 367 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 1: like I'm going to make sure I'm not contributing to 368 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: it because I'm more aware of what you're going through. 369 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 3: It's about that time in the episode where I think 370 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 3: the good people that make this content possible a huge 371 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 3: things today to my friends at Bandit Running. 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And 406 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 3: I think that word the awareness is really just so 407 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:14,959 Speaker 3: important because it isn't until someone maybe brings something to 408 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 3: someone else's attention that they can even begin to understand 409 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 3: how it feels to be the other. I shared this 410 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 3: example at the panel event. But I was going to 411 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 3: be biking uptown to support a friend that was running 412 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 3: an ultra marathon, and he was going to start running 413 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 3: at I believe like six forty five or seven am, 414 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 3: which meant that I had to leave where I live 415 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 3: in Brooklyn around five point fifty and a friend of mine, 416 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 3: a male, and I were going to bike up together, 417 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 3: but we were going to meet up in between our 418 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 3: homes and he suggested, how about on the Manhattan side 419 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 3: of the Williamsburg Bridge For those that aren't familiar with 420 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 3: New York that would have reques me to bike over 421 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 3: a bridge alone. 422 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 2: At five point fifty in the morning in the dark. 423 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 3: And I said to him, I was like, I want 424 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 3: to bike up with you, and I need to bike 425 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 3: up with you, because I actually don't feel safe doing 426 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 3: that on my own, and it was something that no 427 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 3: shade to him, but it's just not something he thinks 428 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 3: about as a man. And so it's bringing this awareness 429 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 3: talking about the things that we do right now to 430 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 3: feel safe, things that maybe others who aren't in the 431 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 3: position that I'm in or you're in, haven't really had 432 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 3: to think about before. 433 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 2: And there's no like, there's no shade in that. 434 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 3: It's genuinely just this is what I go through, and 435 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 3: I want you to understand what I go through so 436 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 3: that we can make better decisions together moving forward. Yeah, 437 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 3: and I also appreciate you bringing up like some of 438 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 3: those like loose maybe tools that we have within our toolbox, 439 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 3: the birdie carrying me, running with friends, knowing your route, 440 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 3: being able to turn on something like a beacon, or 441 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 3: the garment live track so that people can keep up 442 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 3: with you while you're on your run, Like all of 443 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 3: these things. I'm sure no one listening to this like 444 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 3: that's the first time you've heard of them. But again, 445 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 3: there are so many people that don't think about those 446 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 3: tools when they are gearing up to lace up and 447 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 3: get out, like we mentioned our friend whose nickname is 448 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 3: Coffee going out and running at midnight. 449 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh midnight. 450 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: I know. But and you know, honestly, even for like 451 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: thinking about Coffee too, Like even for him, it's not 452 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: even necessarily safe to be going out running at midnight. 453 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: And so and that's the other thing is like this 454 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: is it's not just a women's issue. This is an 455 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: issue for like all of our counterparts who are bipoc. 456 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: It's an issue. It's a huge issue for LGBTQ plus 457 00:28:54,680 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: folks in particular. I think there were even more stats 458 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: that I saw when we were really creating them with women. 459 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: We run initiative around just how LGBTQ plus counterparts are 460 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: really at like the highest risk of being attacked. And so, 461 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: you know, I think this is like a starting point, 462 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: right is and we're coming to it as women, as 463 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: white women, so we're coming to it from our lens. 464 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: So even like there's stuff that we need to learn 465 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: by listening to others who are different from us. So 466 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: I think, really, you know, like we said starting the conversation, 467 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: it's hard, Like it's not a comfortable conversation. It doesn't 468 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: feel great because like we don't have all the answers, 469 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: but like starting the conversation is super important. 470 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And and something else that we spoke about 471 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 3: at the event, which I heard after had a pretty 472 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,719 Speaker 3: big effect was the idea of the different groups that 473 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 3: we can have within our communit for communication to encourage 474 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 3: safety between amongst one another. Right, So, there is a 475 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 3: group that is in Brooklyn and they have a WhatsApp 476 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 3: group that members can come in and chime in and say, hey, 477 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 3: I'm thinking about going running at this time, Like does 478 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 3: anyone around does anyone want to join? And of course, 479 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 3: like all the individuals within the group, they know each other, 480 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 3: so there's like some comfortability there. But upon sharing that 481 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 3: at our event, I ran into two women that belonged 482 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 3: to a different group that runs out of Manhattan and 483 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 3: they said, oh, we actually created a WhatsApp group after that, 484 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 3: and it's been super helpful, right, just so that people 485 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 3: know that if you want to get out, that you 486 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 3: don't necessarily need to run alone, and that like it 487 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 3: seems so small, but it can make such a major difference, right, 488 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 3: And I even think it's like the access to that, 489 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,479 Speaker 3: it's the it's not having a stigma or about the 490 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 3: fact that you want to run with somebody else and 491 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 3: someone's like, you can't just go for a run. You know, 492 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 3: there's there's no input from other people in the club 493 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 3: saying like here's Emily asking again to see if anybody's 494 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 3: around for a run, Like no, like you're her teammate, 495 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,479 Speaker 3: so like, if you're around for a run, then say 496 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 3: you're around for a run, and if you're not, there's 497 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 3: nothing to say about the fact that this person's just 498 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 3: trying to be safe in their execution. 499 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, which I think is challenging. 500 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. I love that people immediately coming out 501 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: of that conversation were like, oh, let's try it right, 502 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: like that openness to there are some other things we 503 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: can do and we know it's an issue. I love 504 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: that it's funny because well it's not funny. But immediately 505 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: after the Eliza Fletcher tragedy, you know, I brought it 506 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: up to one of my colleagues and not not specifically 507 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: like on the Adidas Runners Leadership team, but someone who 508 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: also runs, and they were the first thing they said 509 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: was like, why was she out at four am? And 510 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: you know I immediately was just like, ah, like I 511 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: like I had all these things I wanted to say, 512 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: and I was just like, oh my god, Like you know, 513 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: there was that immediate judgment of like, well, and I 514 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: think we get that too, which is like, what was 515 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: she wearing, why was she why was she wearing that, 516 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: Why was she out at this time? Why was she alone? 517 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: Why did she choose that route? And I think, I 518 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: mean obviously, like we know the answers to those things. 519 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: She's teacher, she's a mother, Like it makes sense, Like 520 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: we get it. Like I think a lot of women 521 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: were like, of course that's when she would run, so 522 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: she could get up then and you know, take care 523 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: of her kids and go to work. 524 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 2: But yeah, like. 525 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: Even like bringing that level of awareness to other runners 526 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: who like, don't it's not a concern of theirs, like 527 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: or they're not even thinking this is an issue, And 528 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: there are so many things like that. I think one 529 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: thing that was interesting after our panel discussion, a lot 530 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: of people reached out to me after that, like immediately 531 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: folks that I don't know that well, who either were 532 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: very thankful that the conversation was starting or who felt 533 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: like there was so much more that we need to 534 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: talk about. And I was like, oh, yeah, this is 535 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: really just a tip of the Iceberg. 536 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 3: To be honest, Yeah, was there like a prompting in 537 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 3: the other things that we should be talking about? 538 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm and this one kind of hits home for me. 539 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: But a couple of people were like, we need to 540 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: talk about our groups being safe, our groups feeling like 541 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: a safe space where women are not being sexually harassed 542 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: or worse. And I was like, oh shit, yeah, I 543 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: mean we were talking so much about, you know, strange 544 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: the idea of strangers being a danger, but like, what 545 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: about the people around you? What about the people that 546 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: are close to you? And how do we deal with that? 547 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? 548 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 3: I don't have the specific statistic, but I know that 549 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 3: you're more likely to be harassed by someone that you 550 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 3: do know than someone that you don't. And that is 551 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 3: just so heartbreaking because for so many, myself included, I 552 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 3: often think of the run community as an outlet, as 553 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 3: a safe space, but you never know, you never know 554 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 3: what could happen, and so it's difficult and like frustrating 555 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 3: and heartbreaking to an extent to think about that place 556 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 3: that often we look to you for community being a 557 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 3: place that also could be troublesome or even triggering for some. 558 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 3: Now when you say the concept of we need to 559 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 3: be more maybe supportive or inclusive within our groups. I 560 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 3: know that that also extends, And this is a conversation 561 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 3: we had on that evening about even pace inclusivity, right, 562 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 3: because oftentimes many people are husband to show up to 563 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 3: different running groups because they're scared of being quote unquote 564 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,720 Speaker 3: the slowest, being left behind. 565 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 2: No one wants to be left behind. 566 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 3: And perhaps I would argue more often than not that 567 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 3: the people that feel that way are women. So when 568 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 3: we say pace inclusivity, what do you what does that 569 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 3: mean to you? How can we be more conscious of 570 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 3: making sure that everyone within the group is safe and 571 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 3: accounted for. 572 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great I mean, that's so interesting because 573 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: I'm it's making me think about lots of like early 574 00:35:54,080 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: running experiences I had, where especially if you're new, Oh, 575 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: you might be one of the slowest people, or you 576 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: might be one of the less fit people, because that's 577 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: kind of a common experience if you're new to a group, 578 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 1: like you may not have built up the fitness base, 579 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: you might not have years under your belts, et cetera. 580 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: So I can recall like plenty of times being the 581 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: last one in a group, even getting lost and kind 582 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,800 Speaker 1: of just being like, uh, you know, good thing, I 583 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: know my way around like a little bit. It does 584 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: tend to I mean, there's lots of different reasons why 585 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: maybe the men, maybe men who are slower don't approach 586 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,879 Speaker 1: groups because they feel the same way, you know, and 587 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 1: like I don't know, I'm sure there have been plenty 588 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 1: of times there are men in our groups that show 589 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: up in there in the back as well. But it 590 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,760 Speaker 1: does tend to skew women, yeah, from what I've seen, 591 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,720 Speaker 1: and that does it can become a safety issue from 592 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: a physical standpoint of getting lost or getting left behind, 593 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: and so well, yeah, thinking about that within our groups, 594 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: like who is looking after the back of the group, 595 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 1: And I can think of some actually power Malu stands 596 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,320 Speaker 1: out obviously as like a really incredible figure in the 597 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: running community, who's if you ever ran with him, He's 598 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: super caring and he will always be in the back. 599 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: He's literally like making sure no one gets left behind. 600 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: And I appreciate folks like that who kind of set 601 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: aside their own maybe running goals for the greater good 602 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,319 Speaker 1: of other people. So I love that. I love that 603 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: groups have spaces like that or they think about putting 604 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: people into leadership positions that are also helping out beginners 605 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 1: or people who are slower in the back. 606 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 3: Speaking of people in leadership positions, this also brings us 607 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 3: to that important conversation about groups having both male and 608 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 3: female leadership right making sure that individuals feel comfortable speaking 609 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 3: to whoever they may choose to speak to about how 610 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 3: they feel in the group, their safety in the group, 611 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 3: and things like that. So why would you say that 612 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 3: that is also important to have genders represented at the 613 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 3: group leadership level. 614 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: Diversity in representation in leadership is important for many reasons. 615 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,320 Speaker 1: One of those reasons being that you have that person 616 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: to say or challenge, Hey, you just said we should 617 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 1: do it like this, but also what about this? So 618 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: there's an alternate perspective that's brought to the table when 619 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: you're even just planning something like a run, So already 620 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: there's that there's someone else thinking about others versus there 621 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: being one maybe one viewpoint or one perspective. In particular, also, 622 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,720 Speaker 1: having women in leadership, I've witnessed it bring more women 623 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: into a group because they see a woman leading and 624 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: they're like, okay, so someone might be looking out for 625 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: my interests or this might be a safe space. I 626 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 1: think it sort of indicates even just from appearances, this 627 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: could potentially be a safe space to join. And then, 628 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 1: like you were saying, having someone else who could potentially 629 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,879 Speaker 1: be a listening ear if something was going on, if 630 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: something was happening, and that might not always be the 631 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 1: coach or the leader. It might be a pacer, or 632 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,760 Speaker 1: it might be a community member who's been there forever 633 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: and people confide in them and they feel comfortable to 634 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 1: share what's going on. I know within the groups that 635 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,879 Speaker 1: I've led, there's always eyes and ears that like sort 636 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: of know what's going on, that will know way before 637 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 1: the coach or the captain knows. And so creating a 638 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: space where they feel safe enough to bring that to 639 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,280 Speaker 1: you and that you could come up with a solution 640 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 1: for what happened, I think is super important. 641 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is super important. 642 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 3: And this takes me too, or it makes me think 643 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 3: of kind of going back to that residual frustration that 644 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 3: was echoed across the room, this concept that we're still 645 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,320 Speaker 3: having these conversations. I don't know what to do next, 646 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 3: and I think the best thing to do is really 647 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 3: just start, like just start having conversations like this one 648 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 3: with people that you care about, with fellow runners, and 649 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 3: then take any sort of action that you can to 650 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 3: make yourself feel at least one percent safer when you 651 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,840 Speaker 3: head out there. Right, So, for me, last week, I 652 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,240 Speaker 3: went to I go to an all women's strength class 653 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 3: once a week, and I love that space. And literally 654 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 3: the coach bought us all all pepper spray to have 655 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 3: a it. Like my heart feels some kind of way 656 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 3: that like that's the thing that we were distributing at 657 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 3: our women's strength class. 658 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 2: But I feel thankful. 659 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 3: Not only that now I obviously have this tool at 660 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 3: my disposal if I should need it, but also like 661 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 3: a space to air out how I feel about my 662 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 3: frustrations within this group of female runners who are making 663 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,759 Speaker 3: time and it a priority to strength train also, which 664 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 3: is something that I haven't typically done in the past. 665 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 3: You know. The action item is like, how can you 666 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 3: make yourself feel one percent safer because of all those 667 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 3: reasons that you articulated at the top of how running 668 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 3: made you feel? Right, Like, all of those reasons are 669 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 3: why we keep running. I keep running because I want 670 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,400 Speaker 3: to feel capable. I want to be reminded of my 671 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 3: own potential. I want to be able to de stress 672 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 3: about my day. And that is why despite this, these 673 00:41:55,600 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 3: tragedies happening every so often unfortunately, like we keep playing 674 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 3: sing up right. So I owe it to myself if 675 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 3: I want to keep doing the thing that I love 676 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,280 Speaker 3: so much that makes me feel some kind of way, 677 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 3: to have these talks and think about what I can 678 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,240 Speaker 3: do to get one percent safer. What would you say 679 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 3: is something that someone listening to this could do to 680 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:23,440 Speaker 3: head in that direction? 681 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:31,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean as the community person, I'm always gonna 682 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,360 Speaker 1: push finding a buddy. 683 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you'll find. 684 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: Buddies in the unexpected places. I've had people become my 685 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 1: running buddies who never thought they would want to ever 686 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 1: run in their life. And there were different reasons why 687 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: we got together and did it. One in particular, I'm 688 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,920 Speaker 1: thinking about my friend Anna, and I was like, she 689 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,359 Speaker 1: wanted to get coffee in the morning before work. This 690 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: is years ago, and I was like, cool, we will, 691 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 1: but we have to jog, like to we have the 692 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: jog two miles and then we'll get coffee and a bagel. 693 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 1: And she was like, okay, I could do that, and 694 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,280 Speaker 1: it became a thing. It turned into a whole group 695 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,840 Speaker 1: like of folks, and we used coffee and bagels and 696 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 1: donuts and whatever at the end, but it really became 697 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 1: this like camaraderie of folks getting together just to move 698 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 1: and definitely like, can you enlist someone right, like to 699 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,879 Speaker 1: be your accountability partner, to be that person that you're like, hey, 700 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 1: I'm going out for a run. Maybe you meet me 701 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,879 Speaker 1: like part of the way, and then we text each 702 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 1: other when we leave, and we text each other when 703 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,400 Speaker 1: we get back. Like, it doesn't always have to be 704 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,920 Speaker 1: that you run everything together, right, Maybe you find a 705 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,320 Speaker 1: group that feels comfortable for you to join. And there's 706 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: so many different groups, at least here in New York 707 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:54,440 Speaker 1: where it's a luxury. Outside of New York, it's not 708 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,840 Speaker 1: like that. I know, there's plenty of friends of mine 709 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 1: and people who live elsewhere where there's like one run 710 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,600 Speaker 1: club in the whole city, right, So that's tough, right, 711 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,399 Speaker 1: And so I think, you know, if you can find 712 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 1: a buddy and that they somehow are your partner, that's great. 713 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 1: If not, then it does become those things where you're like, 714 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,840 Speaker 1: all right, when are the safe times for me to 715 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 1: be out? What are the safe places that I feel 716 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 1: comfortable in? You know, I'm going to Austin for the holidays, 717 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 1: and I like to run when I'm there, and I 718 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,800 Speaker 1: actually find that it's a little bit harder to find 719 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 1: running routes there, even though people are like, there's such 720 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 1: a big running city and like, but where, But Ladybird 721 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 1: Lake is one place I'll go run because I know 722 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,320 Speaker 1: that it's all runners there, Like people are running walking, 723 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 1: and I know when they're going to be there, and 724 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,440 Speaker 1: so I plan. I'm like, Okay, I've got this amount 725 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,920 Speaker 1: of distance I'm going to do. If I have to 726 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,200 Speaker 1: loop it, I loop it. But I just stay in 727 00:44:55,239 --> 00:45:00,200 Speaker 1: the most populated area. I go during daylight hours my 728 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,279 Speaker 1: day around it. And I do that because it's a 729 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,400 Speaker 1: priority for me, and I understand like everyone doesn't have 730 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 1: that luxury. But those would just be like a couple 731 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: of tips. But I feel like there's so many things 732 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:13,319 Speaker 1: we could do. 733 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that one of knowing your route, 734 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,319 Speaker 3: like really at its foundation, is just so important, right, 735 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,239 Speaker 3: Like just so important to know where you're going and 736 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,000 Speaker 3: have an awareness around you. For sure, I'm like sitting 737 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,400 Speaker 3: here chuckling a little bit, not because of our conversation, 738 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 3: but literally for the last I think forty one minutes 739 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,440 Speaker 3: for a better part of it, there's been like sirens 740 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 3: outside and I feel like it's like oddly fitting for 741 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,520 Speaker 3: the topic. So apologies to anyone who has been hearing 742 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,359 Speaker 3: those as we record. I'm glad that we were able 743 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,439 Speaker 3: to like sit down and jam a little bit about 744 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,719 Speaker 3: this and to you know, your point and what's been 745 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,920 Speaker 3: said so many times throughout this episode is like, really, 746 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,879 Speaker 3: this is just the tip of the iceberg, and the 747 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,520 Speaker 3: best thing that we can do is continue to have 748 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,799 Speaker 3: conversations like this. I know that I will be hosting 749 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 3: some sort of a large format conversation on safety during 750 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,719 Speaker 3: LA Marathon weekends, so stay tuned for that if you're 751 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,160 Speaker 3: out in that area or plan on running. Jesse, how 752 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,279 Speaker 3: do the hurdlers keep up with you? How do they 753 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,680 Speaker 3: follow along with you? Give us some information? 754 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 2: Can they run with you? 755 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 1: I r L Yeah, So a couple of things. I'm 756 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:31,280 Speaker 1: Jesse Zappo on Twitter and Instagram. More active on Instagram. 757 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,600 Speaker 1: Probably the easiest way to find me is also at 758 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:39,000 Speaker 1: Girls Run NYC. We do a weekly workout on Wednesdays 759 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:44,360 Speaker 1: at six Where do you directly mccaren track, which also 760 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,360 Speaker 1: that was another thing we created Girls run as a 761 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,880 Speaker 1: women's specific space, and we made it on the track 762 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 1: so that no one would ever get lost or ever 763 00:46:54,719 --> 00:47:00,720 Speaker 1: get left behind. So that was our pace inclusive strategy. 764 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean you can find us on Instagram. 765 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,840 Speaker 1: We always post. If we're taking a day off, we 766 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:12,120 Speaker 1: usually post it there, but we're once a week. And obviously, 767 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,959 Speaker 1: like you know, for folks who aren't in New York City, 768 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,839 Speaker 1: sometimes just following along and seeing what other people are 769 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,480 Speaker 1: doing can make you feel like you're a part of 770 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,080 Speaker 1: something bigger. So yeah, keep it active, follow along, keep up. 771 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,320 Speaker 3: I'm over at Hurdle Podcast and at Emily a Body 772 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,280 Speaker 3: Another Hurdle Conquered. 773 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time.