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Speaker 1: On today's episode to Take to the Draft Podcast, we

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Speaker 1: talk guaranteed draft ballers and your guy.

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Speaker 2: Fred Smoot is swinging for the fences. I'm a little

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Speaker 2: bit more conservative.

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Speaker 1: And then we've got Connor Rodgers, NBC Sports analyst, talking

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Speaker 1: tight ends and quarterbacks. Who's the ticket to Stay tuned

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Speaker 1: to find out it all starts right now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Ticket of the Draft Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Logan Paulson with Jess, a guy Jason, and a

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Speaker 1: very special guest, Fred smooton just reminder, you were brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Seakeeek, the official primary ticketing partner of

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Speaker 1: the Washington Commanders. And in addition to us three, we

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Speaker 1: also have a very special interview Connor Rodgers from NBC

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Speaker 1: Sports and the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. We'll be here

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Speaker 1: talking tight ends and quarterbacks with us. That is a

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Speaker 1: great discussion. He's one of the new up and coming

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Speaker 1: draft analysts. He has a great job, really engaging segment

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Speaker 1: that's next, so stay tuned. But in the meantime, Fred

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Speaker 1: Smoot has thrown down the gauntlet. He is always telling

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Speaker 1: me that he is the superior draft analyst, and so

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Speaker 1: he came up with a game that said this is

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Speaker 1: the best way to determine that, and he called it

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Speaker 1: guaranteed draft ballers. So basically, we're each going to pick

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Speaker 1: six prospects, yes, in a draft style format, and we're

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Speaker 1: going to revisit this a year from now, and basically,

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Speaker 1: whoever has the most sure fire picks is the best

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Speaker 1: draft analyst. So we initially we said who are going

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Speaker 1: to be the Pro Bowl guys? The Pro Bowl players

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Speaker 1: from this class? We thought that was a little bit

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Speaker 1: too challenged him to do, so we walked that back

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Speaker 1: a little bit, and so he said, a draft baller

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Speaker 1: is a good pro right, someone that you're like, I

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Speaker 1: don't want to move on from this guy. Maybe they're

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Speaker 1: not a Pro Bowl player, but there's a future ahead

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Speaker 1: of them lo career, there are a cornerstone for the organization.

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Speaker 1: So that's how we're going to do that. And so

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Speaker 1: what's on the line in this Betfred.

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Speaker 3: In a year from now to this date.

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Speaker 2: Because it's your birthday, so we'll.

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Speaker 4: Remember to this date, one of us we have to

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Speaker 4: stand up in front of the other, one on one knee, insane,

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Speaker 4: up on a knee, yeah, yeah, on one knee, and

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Speaker 4: say you, my friend, ad the best draft gluru in

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Speaker 4: the building.

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Speaker 1: And I'm nothing, and I personally am nothing. Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 1: So that's what's on theough, and you better believe I

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Speaker 1: don't want to do that at all costs recording. I

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Speaker 1: don't want that to happen. So I've got a very

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Speaker 1: interesting draft strategy here. I'm curious to see what Fred's

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Speaker 1: is in the situation. But yeah, so so Jason, can

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Speaker 1: you kind of walk us through the rules?

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Speaker 2: Just the formatting? Right?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna do

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Speaker 5: a virtual coin flip that Fred hates and to see

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Speaker 5: who goes first. How this is going to work because

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Speaker 5: we're doing six rounds by a draft format and it's

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Speaker 5: only the two of you. Is that whoever gets the

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Speaker 5: first pick, that's a big advantage. So the next person

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Speaker 5: will get two in a row, kind of like a snake,

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Speaker 5: and then we'll just go back and forth, back and forth,

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Speaker 5: back and forth the rest of the way. Cool, all right,

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Speaker 5: So Fred, why don't you call it head's or tail heads.

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Speaker 6: Tails?

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Speaker 2: That's the second See, you couldn't do that for the

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Speaker 2: super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Nobody would take the digital flip in the super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: Now, login, I'll give you the option you want to

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Speaker 5: make the pick or do you want to the first?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 4: Uh? With the first pick in the Baller's draft, Uh,

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Speaker 4: Frend Smooth chooses the Native Son Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 2: It's a guaranteed baller. I am so surprised you did that,

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Speaker 2: you know what.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't at first, But then I was like, how

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Speaker 4: can I leave the number one player in this draft

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Speaker 4: because of what Chicago already has then, and I just

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Speaker 4: He will be set up to succeed. Caleb william number

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Speaker 4: one pick by Team Smooth.

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Speaker 1: I think that's incredibly courageous of you, because I think

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Speaker 1: Like I was all in on Bryce Young last year

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Speaker 4: Just I just think he got the support group and

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Speaker 4: he got coaches on the hot seat. That's a good

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Speaker 4: mixture to say, we got to get the best out

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Speaker 2: Is it though? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Because if they get fired, then he's got have a

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Speaker 3: That Dj Moore.

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Speaker 4: He has wide receivers, he has tight ends with Clement,

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Speaker 4: he has running backs. He has everything he needs to

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Speaker 2: that's why it is my draft. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Sure, So I'm gonna go Marvin Harrison Junior from an

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Speaker 1: expect because I do think of all the prospects, he's

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Speaker 1: kind of the most pro ready. Now, is he going

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Speaker 5: So you were talking to me earlier about you read

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Speaker 4: Was dummy Brown and not that dummy can't play, but

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Speaker 1: I think for me, I just looked, I went back

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Speaker 1: And I think like he's going to go to probably Arizona,

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Speaker 1: Troy Fatanu from Washington State.

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Speaker 2: Okay, cool. And the reason I'm going here all these tackles, over.

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Speaker 1: All these tackles, is because I think he can play

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Speaker 2: He's just starting left tackle for you. Awesome.

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Speaker 1: If he doesn't work out, he's playing guard. If he

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Speaker 1: So I've basically given myself a floor. That's saying this guy,

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Speaker 1: and much in the same way that like Sam Cosmy

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Speaker 4: be a shameful that, Yeah, I don't worry about check

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Speaker 4: Smooth selects Rock Buyers Georgia. All right, first of all,

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Speaker 4: he's a unicorn. He's one of those guys. He's too

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Speaker 4: big for corners in safeties, too fast for linebackers. He's

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Speaker 4: gonna be a matchup nightmare. He's not just a tight

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Speaker 4: a guy that could actually physically.

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Speaker 2: Run the ball off a handoffs.

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Speaker 4: He's a different tight tight end, different than cow pits,

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Speaker 4: different than a lot of these guys. He is one

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Speaker 4: of those guys that I think it's one of one

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Speaker 4: and it's guaranteed that he's gonna end up on a

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Speaker 4: a tight end that.

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Speaker 4: He's better than any tight end I have seen a

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Speaker 4: long time with Yack after the catch, I think he

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Speaker 4: is guaranteed to be a Pro Bowl within his first

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Speaker 5: So I don't think anyone's gonna deny his talent. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: do you think it matters.

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Speaker 6: What team he goes to, because you said the Jets

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Speaker 3: I think it matters he needs a quarterback.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, could he have a Kyle Pitts situation where he's so.

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Speaker 4: Talented on with caw Pits. He went to an office

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Speaker 4: that was run orient. It wasn't gonna push the ball

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Speaker 4: down the fielding. That's what Kyle Pitts, that's his scrint.

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Speaker 4: I have a thousand yared receiving ye. Yeah, but you

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Speaker 4: know so, I think this year it'll be a year

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Speaker 4: to judge Cab Pitts because he got Kirk Cousins and

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Speaker 4: ain't run orient.

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Speaker 1: I think brock Bowers again is a fun player to evaluate,

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Speaker 1: really good football player. We talk about that with Connor

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Speaker 1: Rodgers later. He gives a full kind of breakdown which

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Speaker 1: I totally agree with. I just I just worry about

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Speaker 1: his usage, honestly, his role because he's not like a

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Speaker 1: burner like Kyle Pitts was.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't have that kind of over the top speed.

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Speaker 1: You got to have an offensive coordinator that has a

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Speaker 1: good vision for how to maximize him and in an offense,

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Speaker 1: like like the Jets, Like does he get his targets cannibalized?

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Speaker 1: Is he productive like you know, is he Sam Laporter

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Speaker 1: or is he kind of somebody else? And again like

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Speaker 1: I amry comfident's going to be a good player Coole.

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Speaker 2: Well the city.

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Speaker 4: I think he'll get a lot of targets in December November.

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Speaker 4: I think he will be the safety baff one of

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Speaker 4: to be. I think the easier throws to the tight end,

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Speaker 4: Travis Kelsey. Like the way he maneuvers and works leverage

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Speaker 2: Get the ball into his hand. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So for me, I'm going to go Graham Barton from

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Speaker 1: And honestly, like when you talk to guys around the league,

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: They might not have the ceiling of an Amarius members,

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Speaker 4: Just my third pick, right yeah, I choose one of

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Speaker 4: the best names in football I've ever heard in my life,

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Speaker 4: especially from a wide receiver when room's a doomsday.

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Speaker 3: Because of doomsday is a coming.

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Speaker 4: This guy reminds me so much of Jamar Chase, and

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Speaker 4: conabacks because he does this to us mentally, what weapons

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Speaker 4: are he using to get open? He's fast, he's scroung

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Speaker 4: he can run out of the catch, he can win

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Speaker 4: at the highest point. He's the smoothest to me rit

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Speaker 4: a little bit. He knows how to catch the ball

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Speaker 4: in odd situations. I think Roma Doomsday actually has a

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Speaker 2: I think he is special.

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Speaker 4: I think as long as he gets with the right quarterback,

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Speaker 4: and I say, that's why, you know, to play wide

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Speaker 4: the mercy of my quarterback. I think he'll have a

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Speaker 4: good chance to be one of the best wide receivers.

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Speaker 3: In this not only in the draft, but in the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I really like that pick. Actually, I think he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a really excellent pro. I mean, he just

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Speaker 1: this was so consistent at the combine its tapes, consistent,

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Speaker 3: But I think, what Thenny, what he uses to beat you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Right, I think if you understand, if the coordinator understands

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Speaker 1: And again, just like just seems to have that professional

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Speaker 4: Wouldn't stop it to come back, couldn't do Adrea, just

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Speaker 4: ken't it can't. It tells me everything I need to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So for me, I think I'm gonna go. Gosh,

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Speaker 1: you should write these things down. I'm gonna go jac Latham,

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Speaker 1: I think from Alabama and the thing I think he's

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Speaker 1: offensive line safe pick. Yeah, I'm on Angel, Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: are on the like the rock back, like all the

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Speaker 1: I love them, yes, Rock Bowers love them, Yeah, Kayleb Williams.

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Speaker 1: But they all play for positions outside of Rome. I

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Speaker 1: for me, it's like I know JC Latham, if he's

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Speaker 1: Like and again like he's snapped at the combine, you know,

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Speaker 1: like not saying he's a center because he's two hundred,

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Speaker 1: three hundred sixty pounds, but like that ability to kind

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Speaker 4: So all right with the nex pick I choose?

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Speaker 3: Wait, cannot Max Milton coner.

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Speaker 4: Let me tell you about this does nothing great? Everything good?

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Speaker 4: And then we was talking about lineage early. His brother

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Speaker 4: Boat Milton plays for the Green Bay Packers. So he

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Speaker 4: grew up in the household as a cornerback with a

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Speaker 4: wide receiver brother. So you know, these battles happened all

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Speaker 4: the time. I just think if you watch him play,

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Speaker 4: he's never in paid position. He's always on top of

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Speaker 4: the route, and he's studious. I can always tell a

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Speaker 4: studious conner because their interceptions are not what if I'm

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Speaker 4: in the right place there, Their interceptions ibaded time and studied.

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Speaker 4: Max Milton will be a ten to twelve year pro

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Speaker 4: in this league.

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Speaker 3: Watch what I say, Max Milton gets it done. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I can not live in that kind of super

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Speaker 1: declarative space.

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Speaker 2: Listen, because you ain't.

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Speaker 3: You ain't going as deep as I'm going.

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Speaker 4: See mail kypri was cheating off my paper last night

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Speaker 4: while I was taking notes. He was like, I didn't

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Speaker 4: know all this stuff about Max Milton and then day

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Speaker 4: I study guys on a different level than you.

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Speaker 2: Mel Oh you're talking to me. Yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 5: Will say it's interesting that Logan, you keep picking all

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Speaker 5: these offensive guys none of the defensive guys and Fred

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Speaker 5: saversco defense. Is there a reason why you were leaning

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Speaker 5: offense and like, sure things?

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Speaker 1: Well, when Fred brought this up, I just thought, like,

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Speaker 1: they're Like one of the things about the draft it's

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Speaker 2: Variance of situations.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right, So if you like with an offensive lineman,

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Speaker 1: like specifically these guys who are all very very talented,

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Speaker 1: the like the top defensive edge rushers for example, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Dallas Turner, who's very raw athletically, very gifted, but raw technically.

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Speaker 1: We've seen guys who are raw technically have hard time turnesting.

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Speaker 1: Like I want to pick him so bad, but the

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Speaker 1: neck injury, Like I can't speak to that. Right, next

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Speaker 1: year he'll have ten sacks, but he might be able

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Speaker 1: to league in two years.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Then the other one is Jared Verse, right, like high

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Speaker 1: floor guy, blue collar dude, doesn't bend well enough, right, Uh,

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Speaker 1: Quinnyon Mitchell, He's a guy that I would think about pick.

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Speaker 1: And honestly here too is just like the the but

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Speaker 1: the level of competition something I get worried about.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: These other there's other three guys I just talked about

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Speaker 1: they are like as locks as locks get in my

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Speaker 1: opinion and today not. But I'm saying, like in terms

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Speaker 1: of in terms of mitigating.

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Speaker 2: Risks, yes, and this what you did in his whole thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm mitigating risk because I'm hoping that Fred is a

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Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna fall into a win getting a

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Speaker 1: bunch of c pluses, Like that's what I'm hoping for.

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Speaker 1: I got shock you with the Max Milton peak you did,

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Speaker 1: I mean, but all of your picks. Honestly like the evaluation,

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Speaker 1: Like I like Max Milton. It's good evaluations. But like

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Speaker 1: to say declaratively that Max Milton's gonna go and start

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Speaker 4: I'm saying Max Milton in the year would be one

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Speaker 3: We see it every year. Yeah, in highsight, we.

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Speaker 5: Probably should have judged this where if you're like you

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Speaker 5: get all pro, you get ten points more aggressive. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it would have been a little more aggressive. Yeah, you're

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Speaker 5: just taking these c Plus Fred's over here swinging, swinging.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm gonna get on base. I'm gonna got

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Speaker 1: a bunch of doubles and singles and like, yeah.

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Speaker 6: That's cool until one guy hits for you.

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Speaker 5: Until I'm not blaming you, just saying that's what Fred's

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Speaker 1: But also I think like when I talk to teams, right,

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Speaker 1: when I talk to my buddies on teams, like they

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Speaker 1: there's all these guys with crazy upside, but like they

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Speaker 1: want their job depends on hitting this, getting on base,

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Speaker 1: and if they don't even get on bass, it's kind

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Speaker 1: of like the thing doesn't work.

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Speaker 2: I'm not really good at the job. So is my pick?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's your pick, all right, I'm gonna go So

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Speaker 1: I thought some of these guys be off the board.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go a little different direction just because

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Speaker 1: for argument's sake, it's gonna Belad mcconckney as a receiver.

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Speaker 1: I think he's just got an incredibly high Form'm a

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Speaker 1: little bit worried about his injury history, but for a

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Speaker 1: slot player, actually, I'm gonna change that. Jason gotta change it. Look,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna change it. I wrote the wrong name on

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Speaker 4: He went how much he loves I don't need to

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Speaker 4: say I don't really like Lamb mccause, who's.

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Speaker 6: Your other guy?

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 1: Why Ricky pearsaw I think Ladd has a for sure

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Speaker 1: with pearsaw Right, Like he's gonna play. He's gonna play

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Speaker 1: that slot guy. He has a little bit inside outside flexibility.

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Speaker 1: They're very similar style players. I love the short air

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Speaker 1: quickness of both of them. I think again, Ladd ceilings higher.

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Speaker 1: But I'm trying to get on base, boys, I'm trying.

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to hit home runs. I'm just trying

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Speaker 4: Listen, I understand all logan t is very cactive.

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Speaker 1: It's concerned like they're gonna like all those dudes, Like

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Speaker 1: there's no doubt in my mind that all those dudes

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Speaker 4: You're coming out here like like New England Patriots.

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Speaker 1: It's not even New England Patriots though, Like I think,

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Speaker 1: like I think when you look at the receivers, specifically

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Speaker 1: in the second round, like you look for qualities that

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Speaker 1: translate to the next level. I see a guy in

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Speaker 1: Piersaw that has a A is very explosive, has a

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Speaker 1: good route running nuance, and can win versus man and

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Speaker 1: man coverage, and can play the slot and play outside. Again,

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Speaker 1: I go back to that position flexibility. Like one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons Diami has struggled here is he's because he's

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Speaker 1: an outside receiver.

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Speaker 2: They can't play it.

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Speaker 1: And so now I've got a guy that can play

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Speaker 1: and has shown the ability playoffs at three spots. At Florida,

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Speaker 1: Lid's the same thing, but there's an injury issue with Lid.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna stay away from that, all right. At

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Speaker 1: you you're all sugar, No, no, no, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: Not shake me up with the next pick. I take

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Speaker 1: a guy that you kind of spit him out there,

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Speaker 1: and when you wrote it down, when you wrote it down,

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Speaker 1: I was like, he's taking a lot too right now.

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Speaker 3: Yes, a lot too.

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Speaker 4: I know it because I had him on there, but

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Speaker 4: I had him hyphing Darius Robinson. So I had to

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Speaker 4: pick between who do I think is the lock the

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Speaker 4: upside with a lot two. To me, he's the he

439
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Speaker 4: has the most being of any pass rushing I think

440
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Speaker 4: he just has a natural neck. I think he's grateful

441
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Speaker 4: for being able to play because football was almost taken

442
00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,639
Speaker 4: away from him. I think he is going to be

443
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Speaker 4: the guy that has the red flag for health. They

444
00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,440
Speaker 4: won't just gonna go all out his way to stay

445
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Speaker 4: healthy in the league. I just think lot to lat

446
00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,520
Speaker 4: too is gonna be one of these guys did before

447
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Speaker 4: we know what, we're gonna blink. He's gonna be a

448
00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:10,240
Speaker 4: fifteen second year guy.

449
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Speaker 1: And I was gonna pick him honestly, Like just the

450
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Speaker 1: neck injury is the only thing that makes you worried. Like,

451
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Speaker 1: let's say he has a setback this year, we saw

452
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Speaker 1: what a what an injury? Like what I can do

453
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Speaker 1: with a guy like Chase, So it makes you a

454
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Speaker 1: little bit concerned.

455
00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:23,200
Speaker 2: What pick around is this?

456
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Speaker 6: This is six last ones you can take La here.

457
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta take that more.

458
00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,040
Speaker 2: That's not a bad idea. You got one more swing?

459
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, friend's got one more swing for the Fenceive

460
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Speaker 5: I was gonna swing here.

461
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Speaker 6: Yeah. You have five guys that you feel pretty good.

462
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Speaker 2: With, excellent about.

463
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Speaker 1: I have five guys that I'm like, I am. Why

464
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Speaker 1: would I change my draft strategy right now? What?

465
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Speaker 4: No?

466
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Speaker 2: Let him be?

467
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Speaker 6: Yeah?

468
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Speaker 1: So to continue to be boring, I'm gonna go Jared

469
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Speaker 1: Verse here. And the reason I'm gonna say Jared versus

470
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Speaker 1: because I think he is a minimum seven sack guy.

471
00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:56,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if he ever gets to ten, Like

472
00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:57,960
Speaker 1: he is a seven.

473
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Speaker 3: Sack and be able to tie to Kalais Campbell.

474
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Speaker 1: He's tight, he's physical, he plays hard like he's gonna

475
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Speaker 1: be a fine pro. Is he ever gonna be something great?

476
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,399
Speaker 1: I don't know, but he's gonna be a fine pro.

477
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,520
Speaker 1: So hey, I'm getting on base man, like, I think

478
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,560
Speaker 1: that's probably like I know, I think that's a pretty

479
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,480
Speaker 1: safe Like if he's if he's in a four down

480
00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:22,160
Speaker 1: front and he's setting edges and bull rushing tackles, we're

481
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Speaker 1: doing a great job.

482
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Speaker 4: He went bison hunting, right, I went unicorn, Hud, you

483
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Speaker 4: understand what the point of the thing was, solid pro

484
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Speaker 4: I understand, But I just I like to knock him

485
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Speaker 4: out the park with the last pick.

486
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Speaker 1: You're right, Jesse, we should have done a like like

487
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Speaker 1: a point system.

488
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll do that next year. Next year we're still here.

489
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Speaker 4: I take it's gonna make y'all such a codependent position.

490
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Speaker 4: But I just think he has traits nobody else in

491
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Speaker 4: his position.

492
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Speaker 2: Half.

493
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Speaker 3: I think he's gonna find a niche from day one.

494
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Speaker 1: Let me see if I can guess this offense or defense.

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Speaker 4: I'll fits niche from day one. Oddity Johnny Wilson. Johnny Wilson. Well,

496
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Speaker 4: I'm taking Johnny Wilson because he has a job. From

497
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Speaker 4: the first day he said he's get drafted and just

498
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 4: to catch red zone passes. And the next thing I

499
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 4: know about big receivers, they got what you call bad

500
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 4: bad throw radius where they can catch bad throws. Used

501
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Speaker 4: to be one of these guys got a long un

502
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Speaker 4: Now with this Wilson character, I can only wonder a

503
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 4: corner like for a defensive coordinator to say, how we

504
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 4: gonna match up with him red zone? Are we gonna

505
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,439
Speaker 4: try to put out biggest safety over there are We're

506
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 4: gonna try to put out biggest corner. No matter who

507
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 4: you put over there, it will be a circle over there.

508
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Speaker 4: So I think at least in his first year he

509
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Speaker 4: gonna have at least twenty plus chances to catch red

510
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Speaker 4: zone touchdowns.

511
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Speaker 3: Bringing nine of those down ain't really a bad thing.

512
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, the uh okay, Yeah.

513
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Speaker 1: The other thing I wanted to say is you will

514
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Speaker 1: never you will not find a bigger Johnny Wilson supporter

515
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Speaker 1: than me. But there is so much risk, risky rewarding.

516
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Speaker 1: So this is exactly the difference between Fred and I.

517
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: Fred's going to the casino. We're going all on black.

518
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: I've got a nice four oh one k someplace, and

519
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: we're stalking the sucker away.

520
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Speaker 4: I'm stalking to full a week with the excess that

521
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Speaker 4: we got lift over.

522
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Speaker 3: I'm going gusto, like, this is what we're here for.

523
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Speaker 1: That would be another good segment, now that I'm thinking

524
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Speaker 1: about it. It's just like if we're swinging for home runs.

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Speaker 2: Yesh, definitely do that. I love this.

526
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Speaker 5: I'll recap this real quick. And then I got a

527
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Speaker 5: couple of questions here. All right, So Logan, do you

528
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Speaker 5: have Marvin Harrison Junior, Troy Fatanu, Graham Barton, jac Latham,

529
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Speaker 5: Ricky Piersoll, Lab mccagee maybe and Jared Verse.

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Speaker 2: All right, that is I am. I am on bass boys.

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Speaker 3: Cool is something just so dull about it?

532
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 2: Cool?

533
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Speaker 6: All right?

534
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 5: Fred's got Caleb Williams, Brock Powers, Roma Doonza, Max Milton,

535
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Speaker 5: Leatu Latu and Johnny Wilson taking some shots.

536
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Speaker 1: It's exciting. So it's exciting. Like, if you're a fan,

537
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Speaker 1: you're probably like Fred's draft. I'm stoked.

538
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Speaker 3: Yes, most say.

539
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 1: You're a football person. You hear in my draft, you're like,

540
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Speaker 1: Logan's on.

541
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Speaker 3: Logan took the safest thing because he.

542
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Speaker 4: Goes at the end of the next he's gonna be like, yes,

543
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 4: bardon plate four hundred ninety six snaps.

544
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Speaker 5: But this is an interesting exercise, it isn't. I kind

545
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Speaker 5: of like how this played out because if if you're

546
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Speaker 5: the commanders and you're drafting, right, at what point do

547
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 5: you say, I just want to get on base.

548
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 2: I just want to get on base.

549
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 6: And at what point do you say we got to swing.

550
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 3: We got to go then you're in the draft?

551
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 6: Does that fall?

552
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 5: Because when we when you talk to Connor and he's

553
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Speaker 5: a Drake may guy, and I'm kind of giving this way,

554
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 5: I guess. But he's saying, I'm taking Drake Mayett too,

555
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 5: because this is ceiling so high and at two you

556
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 5: don't get to pick there. Often swing for the fence, right,

557
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 5: That's that's his philosophy. So when do you stop doing that?

558
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 5: When do you start doing it again? How does that work?

559
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 1: I think it's easy for analysts to swing, Yeah, because

560
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: I don't get fired if I mess this up, right, Like,

561
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. So like when I when he

562
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Speaker 1: says that, I'm like, it's more like I think all

563
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: I think every front office they want to get on

564
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: base with their picks, like that's more of a priority

565
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Speaker 1: for that.

566
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 4: I think this early in the dreft, I think people

567
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 4: would really be safe in the first That's weird. They

568
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 4: take everybody with red flags off for the no matter

569
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 4: what the talent is. First round is let's try not

570
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 4: to get fired brown. That's why they choose the safest pick.

571
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 4: It's all about talent. Who can bring talent?

572
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 2: Now?

573
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 4: Fourth round you the coin hunt? What different can I

574
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 4: find in this drail?

575
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? I would agree with that.

576
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: I think I think first and second, you're looking for

577
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: a good starter, right, and so I think you're you're

578
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: in that kind of this guy's off our board. This

579
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: guy might not be you know what I'm saying, Like

580
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: we're looking for we're trying to get on base. Even

581
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 1: in the third round, I think you're probably in that

582
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: same thing. But after the fourth round, I'm like, there's

583
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: not many people in the fourth round and on that

584
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: have the traits to be a starter at the position.

585
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: Which is why I think a guy like Johnny Wilson

586
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: is so interesting, or Javon Baker as a receiver, right,

587
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 1: Like Javon Baker has some rending right, character issues, right,

588
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: Johnny Wilson has some like effort, you know, passionate about

589
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 1: football issues. But like there's other guys I could take

590
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: that are good football players.

591
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: Like what's our.

592
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: Guy's name, Ryan Flornoy from Easterns. Like he's going to

593
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: be a professional athlete, yeah, but is he ever going

594
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: to be a number two receiver?

595
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? Probably not.

596
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: Those other two guys could So like that's where I'm

597
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 1: kind of like, I want a guy that will develop

598
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 1: into something special. Now he might be at a league

599
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: in three years, yeah, but like I want to take

600
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: a shot at that.

601
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Speaker 4: He had a chance, and he had some traits that

602
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 4: I don't see, and that's why most of my guys

603
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 4: they got some I haven't seen there before.

604
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

605
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like so again, you will not find a bigger

606
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: Johnny Wilson guy than me. I love Maxim like I

607
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: love all the guys he said. I am staunchly in

608
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: that camp. But if you want to get on like

609
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Speaker 1: I think that's the thing is, if you want to

610
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Speaker 1: get on base, and if you're an NFL team, you

611
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: got to think about some of this other stuff. So,

612
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: like I was talking, I was listening to Daniel Jeremiah

613
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Speaker 1: and he mentioned that like Graham Barton will go probably

614
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Speaker 1: top twenty.

615
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's a safe pick. Pick Yeah, because the position.

616
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: In flexibility, and I think like for fans that's not

617
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 1: exciting six right, but it's something that needs to be

618
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: considered for sure.

619
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Speaker 6: Cool cool, right, So now exciously that was good.

620
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so and maybe we do a swing for

621
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Speaker 1: the fences one coming up here soon. But now we're

622
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Speaker 1: gonna go to Connor Rodgers. Yeah, who does a great

623
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 1: job talking tight ends and a great job talking quarterbacks.

624
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: Make sure you check it out what we got Jason,

625
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: And next.

626
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Speaker 6: Week, because the show will end, what kind of Rodgers

627
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 6: went with this?

628
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Speaker 7: Out?

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Speaker 5: Next week is the Megapod the Megapaul seven round mock

630
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Speaker 5: Draft Battle, the mockumentary. Yeah, Fred and I were practicing today, Yes,

631
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Speaker 5: we were sitting at the.

632
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Speaker 4: Computer and Lily I had a dread with like almost

633
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Speaker 4: eleven picks in it.

634
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 2: That was crazy.

635
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 6: I was trading all over the place.

636
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: I walked in and Fred Fred had seventeen picks drafted,

637
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks and five offensive linemen.

638
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 2: I was like, just rebuilt the whole team.

639
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 4: Look with Mars Harrison, three pairs Russians, a stolen table.

640
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Johnny Wielson, I can get the job though.

641
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 5: Right, So the week of the draft, we will actually

642
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 5: go through every single pick for the Commanders and see

643
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 5: how bad we are at predicting this because it's it's unpredictable.

644
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 4: I would say, it's not even one of those things

645
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 4: you can't because you can't predict with the team before

646
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 4: you was going.

647
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 5: Down, right, But maybe we can give you guys some

648
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 5: names that will be around in those areas.

649
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

650
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, now it's kind of Rogers.

651
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: It all starts right up and it is my privilege

652
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: to be here with Connor Rodgers, NBC Sports analyst. Connor,

653
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. Really like a

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00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: draft expert at this point, so thank you for your time.

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00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 8: Logan thanks for having me.

656
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 2: Man.

657
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 8: I'm really pumped to do this.

658
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm more pumped than anybody because we're talking

659
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Speaker 1: about maybe the most important position in this entire draft,

660
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Speaker 1: and it's tight end. And I'm not saying that because

661
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Speaker 1: I'm biased, but you guys did a tight end ranking

662
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Speaker 1: on your show, the PFF NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. You

663
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: guys ranked your tight ends, and I thought, you know,

664
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: we should do that because I think getting a perspective

665
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: on a position that in this class is not necessarily

666
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: the strongest is probably pretty important. What are your thoughts

667
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: on the tight end position for this year?

668
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think this is a position that you know

669
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 7: a thing or two about, so this will be a

670
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 7: good back and forth right here and listen. It's an

671
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 7: interesting group because you have the superstar at the top,

672
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 7: and brock Bauers and legitimate superstar status in terms of

673
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 7: being a prospect and what he's done for three years

674
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 7: at Georgia, and then you get a wide pool right,

675
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 7: you can kind of stack it after that anyway, and.

676
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 8: Nobody would call you crazy.

677
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 7: It felt like for a long time Jatavian Sanders from

678
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 7: Texas was looked at a guy that could be a

679
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 7: first rounder. I think a couple things didn't really go

680
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 7: his way where he ever cemented that status, including the

681
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 7: testing and.

682
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 8: Then talking about the wide pool.

683
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 7: You have athletes, you have guys that could be true

684
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 7: on the line of scrimmage kind of tight ends. You

685
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 7: have guys that really are going to be HVAC slot

686
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 7: kind of players, and then you have true projects. They

687
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 7: might have the size and speed, but the blocking might

688
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 7: not be refined, the route tree might not be refined.

689
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 7: So it's such an interesting group because it's star at

690
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 7: the top and then a lot of developmental or role players.

691
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Speaker 1: Right now, Yeah, I mean, I totally agree, and I

692
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: could have said it could have set it better myself.

693
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: And I also think it kind of just reflects the

694
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: way the position's going in the league, Like if you

695
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: don't have that true alpha athlete, then you're kind of

696
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: looking for a guy to fill a role. And I

697
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: do think there is an opportunity for teams to fill

698
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: roles with some of these guys. But I agree, it's

699
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: really kind of beauty's in the eye that beholder and

700
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: like what you're looking for, because there's guys, like you said,

701
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: that have that true on ball why capability, and then

702
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: there's some guys that have some move pieces. And so

703
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm really excited to kind of go through your list

704
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: and go through my list and kind of see where

705
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: we are aligned and see where we're different. And because

706
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: you're the guests, why don't you start with your list?

707
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: And because you're really the expert, why don't we get

708
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: you grace us through your expertise.

709
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 7: First listen number five for me, THEO Johnson from Penn State.

710
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 7: They just don't make a lot of dudes with this

711
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 7: kind of size and athleticism. Now, it kind of makes

712
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 7: you wonder why you know he wasn't throwing the ball

713
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 7: even more in this offense.

714
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 8: At times you see the red zone presence.

715
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 7: I mean, this is somebody that was able to be

716
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 7: a big time red zone thread over the last two years.

717
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 7: And you see the long speed, but maybe not the

718
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 7: same twitch and agility in that short area.

719
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 8: It's kind of that build up speed.

720
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 7: I can run the seam, I can run the post,

721
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 7: but I think when you look at THEO Johnson, he's

722
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 7: somebody that you'd love to bring into your tight end

723
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 7: room and say, Okay, you're going to be our third

724
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 7: tight end.

725
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 8: We're going to develop you.

726
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 7: We know you might be able to help in some

727
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 7: red zone packages, and we helped the blocking stays on

728
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 7: the right trajectory where you could be a starter for

729
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 7: us one day, my next you know four here. Ben

730
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 7: Sinnatt from Kansas State. I kind of mentioned earlier that

731
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 7: h back move guy. It's interesting watching him in Kansas State.

732
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 7: It felt like they took the Sam Laporta Iowa playbook

733
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 7: and said, okay, this is what you were going to

734
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 7: do for us, and that's how they used him, moved

735
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 7: him around. Interesting pass catcher, blocker on the move. Kate

736
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 7: Stover from Ohio State. This is kind of the meat

737
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 7: and potatoes guy. It's not going to be sexy, it's

738
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 7: not going to be a Ferrari out of the garage.

739
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 8: It's just listen.

740
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 7: The dude used to play in the front seven, okay,

741
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 7: and then they move him to tight end and that's

742
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 7: kind of what you get a little bit of a

743
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 7: brawler mentality. He likes to go, you know, lunge a

744
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 7: little bit. As a blocker, you try to get that

745
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 7: kill shot. Another zone guy five touchdowns each of the

746
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 7: last two seasons. When you play at Ohio State with

747
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 7: all those great receivers, you're not going to get an

748
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 7: overwhelming target share, but kind of a do your job player.

749
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 7: Jatavian Sanders at two. This is somebody that the testing

750
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 7: disappointed me. There's no denying that. But I think he's

751
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 7: somebody that still knows how to get open. I like

752
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 7: the acceleration on tape. I like his ability to work

753
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 7: in space against zone coverage. He knows how to use

754
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 7: his body to shield against defenders to catch the ball

755
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 7: and once again competing for targets Ad and I, Mitchell,

756
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 7: Xavier Worthy, Jonathan Brooks in the backfield. This Texas offense

757
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 7: was really, really busy, and Sanders, I don't want to

758
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 7: say it became an afterthought, because I mean, this is

759
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 7: somebody that was really productive. I believe he had over

760
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 7: six hundred yards each of the last two years at

761
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 7: the tight end position. But he's not going to give

762
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 7: you much as a blocker, which is going to limit

763
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 7: his ceiling, I think in a way. And then brock

764
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 7: Bowers I think will save the Brock Bauers conversation at

765
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 7: the for the end logan because he's so special and

766
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 7: I know we'll see eye to eye on that one.

767
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I mean, I think I totally agree with you.

768
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: Like my list is Theo Johnson from Penn State, Ben

769
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: Sonat from Kansas State, Jatavi Sanders from Texas, and then

770
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: Jared Wiley is my second tight end. But I agree

771
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: with you, like THEO Johnson was a guy that was

772
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: really fun, fun and kind of disappointing to watch at

773
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: the same time. I was really impressed with some of

774
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: the stuff he was able to do in line, especially

775
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: given his height, kind of sinking and rolling his hips

776
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: on like some of these sift blocks generating power, which

777
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: I know a lot of NFL coaches really like. Obviously,

778
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: the measurables, like the length, the speed, you just can't

779
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: coach that and that tight end for whatever reason, it's

780
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: a position that the height, weight, speed stuff is important, right,

781
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: It's important production at the next level. And I think

782
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: he's a guy you just can't ignore. And I talked

783
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: to an NFL coach that had him as their number

784
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: one tight end outside of Brock Bauers obviously, and they

785
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: said I would take him at the top of the

786
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: second because I think they see the measurables, they see

787
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: the opportunity, and coaches mentality is much different than Scout's

788
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: mentality and that they think we can get this guy

789
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: where they need to go. So THEO Johnson's kind of

790
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: that great enigma. I don't like the mover necessarily, but

791
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: I definitely see some of these coaches kind of you

792
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: know why they would get excited about him. Bensont, I

793
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: totally agree he's To me, he was a tough one because,

794
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: like I kept thinking fullback and I'm not sure if

795
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: it's because he wears number thirty four.

796
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: I mean, did you get any of that from him?

797
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: Like I kept thinking Kyle Yuschek when I watched him.

798
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 8: The aesthetic is fullback all of the way.

799
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 7: It freaked me out a little bit where I'd see

800
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 7: him in the slot and be like, and then you

801
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 7: remember again once.

802
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 8: Again, like this guy is legitimately tight. And I completely

803
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 8: align with you on that.

804
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 7: I actually thought he was shorter because of the aesthetic

805
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 7: than he measured in at.

806
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that was the surprising thing is

807
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: he ended up testing pretty good.

808
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: His Senior Bowl was pretty good.

809
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: And it kind of totally shifted my perspective on him

810
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: because he does He's not great in line because he

811
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: doesn't have that ideal length, but he competes in line.

812
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: You see a world where they kind of find ways

813
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: to get him touches at the next level. But very

814
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: interesting guy, I thought, just from an evaluation standpoint, and

815
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: I think this is our first kind of big differentiating point.

816
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: Is Sanders for me is the third guy. And you

817
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: said something and I think you kind of get what

818
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm getting at here. Is him competing in line makes

819
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,239
Speaker 1: me really concern that he's just a big slot at

820
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: the next level. And when you look at guys who

821
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: are big slots to the next level, like why don't

822
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: I just draft Keon Coleman, Right, Like that's kind of

823
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: my thought. If you're not going to compete and do

824
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: the in line stuff, then we're not getting the advantages

825
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: that a Titan brings as a blocker. So again, I

826
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: do see pass game upside, A little disappointed with his testing,

827
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: worry about to compete in toughness every single down, but

828
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: he is a playmaker. I just don't know. You gotta

829
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: work to get him touches. And I don't know if

830
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: there's going to be a staff that's going to say, like,

831
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: this is going to be a guy we're going to

832
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: treat like our third wide receiver and get a lot

833
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: of touches. I don't know, do you how do you

834
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: feel about that?

835
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 2: Yeah?

836
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 7: I think it's really fair and he, you know, full transparency,

837
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 7: plummeted it on my overall big board after kind of

838
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 7: doing the final tape watch with the testing of the

839
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 7: fact that you nailed it.

840
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 8: You look at this wide receiver class.

841
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 7: I mean, there's five guys I think you could take

842
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 7: in the top one hundred that I'd rather have as

843
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 7: my big getting those slot reps than a tight end

844
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 7: that's not as athletic.

845
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 8: As we were promised.

846
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 7: So that's kind of the billing with him that you're

847
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 7: trying to figure out is can I ask him to

848
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 7: graise a younger prospect, which gives you a little hope

849
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 7: he can get a little bit more physical, get a

850
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 7: little bit stronger. But you're right, the usage is the

851
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 7: most difficult part of evaluating these positions, where sometimes you

852
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 7: find a player that when it's clear cut that you

853
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 7: feel better about it because it requires less thinking, less developing,

854
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 7: and less projecting, because projecting at the tight end position

855
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 7: is really the name of the game. But it's very,

856
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 7: very difficult when a guy is almost a one trick

857
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 7: pony of where you could play him without having the

858
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 7: special traits that a lot of the traditional one trick

859
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 7: ponies do.

860
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I totally agree, and so that I mean,

861
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons why Jared Wiley is my

862
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: second tight end. And I know I'm probably a little

863
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: bit of an outlier here, but you know, I'm full,

864
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: full disclosure. Like I've worked with him. I've been watching

865
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 1: his film since twenty twenty two. Watch his film twenty

866
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: twenty three. I saw a guy that has a tremendous frame.

867
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: He's six to six, and he's got this kind of

868
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: silky smooth way of moving that reminded me a lot

869
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: of like Jimmy Graham, and I thought, you know, if

870
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: this guy could get and this is in twenty twenty

871
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: two when I watched him, if you could get more

872
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 1: targets and show that he can kind of be this

873
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: dynamic athlete catching the football. Because in twenty twenty two,

874
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: I thought he did a great job competing in the

875
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: run game, doing these kind of trey blocks with the tackle,

876
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: getting physical, getting nasty, getting the second level. And then

877
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: I saw him get a lot of targets, and I

878
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: thought he had a good route running, savvy, good feel

879
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: for space and uses his body in a way to

880
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: kind of create separation. And I thought, man, you know,

881
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: like if you look at the guys that just got

882
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: paid in the last free agency cycle, it's like Kobe Parkinson, right,

883
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: he's getting twenty million dollars because he's a why with

884
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 1: pass game upside. And I think that's exactly what Jared

885
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 1: Wiley is. And I do think there are teams they're

886
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: going to look at him and say, hey, you know,

887
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: this guy is good enough in line. He's got the

888
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: length to compete in line, and probably needs to add

889
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: some body weight. I know he was dealing with an

890
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: injury last year. He had a hernia at a disk

891
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: in his back, so in fact that's all cleared up.

892
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 2: And he can compete in line.

893
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: I think the pass game upside is there, So I

894
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: think that's where I kind of see a more concrete

895
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: role for a player like that, kind of like Theo Johnson. Right,

896
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: he competes in line. We can build off the passing

897
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: game qualities and there's there's opportunities there. And I don't

898
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: know if you did this, but you said you'd be

899
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 1: okay with it. We're going to talk about our maybe

900
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: three guys that were just outside of the top five here,

901
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: and I think my guys are going to reflect that

902
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: sentiment a lot more than probably your guys. But but

903
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: that's why I'm on Wiley And I know you had

904
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: him in your top ten on the show. You did,

905
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: but do you still feel the same way about him?

906
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, he was eighth and at the time, because we

907
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 7: do this a little bit earlier, I was like, man,

908
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 7: I think, am I wrong on this guy?

909
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: Like?

910
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 7: Why do I like this guy in the top ten?

911
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 7: I didn't see anybody talking about him, so it's great

912
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 7: to hear. I mean, obviously you played the position, you've

913
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 7: worked with him, you see him really highly. I think

914
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 7: that him being a true Why the fact that I

915
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 7: remember watching start a college football against Colorado and I'm like,

916
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 7: look at the catch radius on this dude. Look at

917
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 7: the way this guy can build up speed really in

918
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 7: the ten to twenty rather than the zero to ten

919
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 7: all the time, And I think you know, obviously that

920
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 7: frame allows him to be able to hold up on

921
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 7: the line.

922
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 8: Of scrimmage as well. And like you said, he'll gain weight.

923
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 7: When you look at the size of him coming in

924
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 7: two forty nine the combine which helped him test right,

925
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 7: he runs four sixty two, he jumps thirty seven inches

926
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 7: in the vertical. He'll play at two sixty I think

927
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 7: instead of two forty nine. So there's with Wiley, he's

928
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 7: almost like for a lot of teams are probably thinking, well,

929
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 7: if we don't get THEO, Johnson will take Wiley around

930
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 7: later is what you probably look at with him, and

931
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 7: that's really exciting. And then you know, I looked at

932
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 7: you know, Eric Hall was another guy outside the top

933
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 7: five that I looked at, not in that mold, but

934
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 7: right outside looking and he's had dealt with a lot

935
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 7: of injuries as well. He's a really good athlete. He

936
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 7: needs to cut back on just some focus drops. But

937
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 7: when you look at somebody that does have short area quickness,

938
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 7: Eric All definitely does.

939
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 8: He was an interesting one.

940
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 7: He's been asked to block a lot with Michigan and

941
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 7: Iowa and Tanner McLaughlin was another guy at those you know,

942
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 7: those three outside of the top five that all pass catcher,

943
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 7: former wide receiver, but somebody that if you want to

944
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 7: really get your tight end involved in the past game,

945
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 7: you draft a tight end two or tight end three

946
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 7: and say, hey, we have our guys that are going

947
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 7: to play on the line of scrimmage. We'll move you around,

948
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 7: we'll use you in motion. I think McLaughlin has a

949
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 7: lot of upside as well. So that kind of goes

950
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 7: back to the start of our show. With the pool

951
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 7: of tight ends in this draft that are so closely

952
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 7: grouped together, where I have Wiley at eight and Jatavian

953
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 7: Sanders at two. I mean, there might not be more

954
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 7: than fifty spot difference on the overall big board and

955
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 7: where they're drafted in my opinion, just to kind of

956
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 7: talk about the cluster of tight ends in this round.

957
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I'm really glad you brought up all too,

958
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 1: because I think he's a really fun watch and he's

959
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: a guy that plays the game with like the requisite

960
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: amount of like violence and physicality, you know, And I

961
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of people that really like him.

962
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 2: I like him, you know.

963
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: I played with George Kidda when I was in San Francisco,

964
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: I see a lot of similarities in terms of mindset,

965
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: not physical, not physically in terms of tools, but in

966
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: terms of mindset, which I think is always extremely important

967
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: for the position. You just worry because he plays so violently.

968
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: He's hurt all the time. So it's kind of like,

969
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: you know, what can you actually get away with there?

970
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: Stover's my second guy that just made didn't make the

971
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: cut again. I love the physicality, love the tough and toughness.

972
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: I have a little bit of concern like you did,

973
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: Like you alluded to this too, about the role at

974
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: the next level. It's kind of like, obviously I like

975
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: the approach. I like how he catches the football, but

976
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: do you have enough horsepower to consistently separate and win

977
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: versus man man coverage at the next level. So that's

978
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: something that I get that And then I'm gonna throw

979
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: my other guy out. There is a tip ryman. I

980
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 1: don't even know if to tell you spell it from

981
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,479
Speaker 1: Illinois man. And he's a he's a big guy, big

982
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: blocking why tested better than I thought. And again it's

983
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: kind of like that physical bruiser set the edge can

984
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: block a six, but can also work to seem a

985
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: lot of concentration drops for him as well. But obviously

986
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: there's a theme for me in the toughness. I do

987
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: like McLaughlin from Arizona as in that role you described

988
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: as a guy that kind of fits in as your

989
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: third guy. Past game upside got some technical stuff to

990
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: work through, but I think that's an excellent, excellent selection

991
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: by you and obviously is the draft expert. So that's

992
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: why we're having on the show now. The moment everyone's

993
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: been waiting for is brock Bowers. How do you feel

994
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: about block Bowers? And I think it was you. It

995
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: might have been you or Sikima, but you said you

996
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: had a higher evaluation on him than you did Kyle Pitts.

997
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: Was that you or was that?

998
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: Yeah?

999
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: I messed up there?

1000
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 8: Yeah you got him. Now you're all over it.

1001
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm excited to see why is that? Because

1002
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: I I love I love, I love Kyle Pitts, and

1003
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if I see the same upside with

1004
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: brock Bowers. But I wanted to give you the floor

1005
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: to talk about that a little bit.

1006
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 7: I think sometimes I do gravitate towards a floor with

1007
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 7: the player and with Pitts, the dream of him was

1008
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 7: that you know, he's somebody that really you love the

1009
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 7: absolute ceiling, like maxed out.

1010
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 8: But you knew there was going to be.

1011
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 7: Some growing pains coming into the league in terms of

1012
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 7: what he has to do on the line of scrimmage,

1013
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 7: in terms of not just being a blocker and zone

1014
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 7: but actually, you know, are you going to ask him

1015
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 7: to put his hand in the dirt and drive block

1016
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 7: or help block? And there was going to be a

1017
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 7: lot of development along the lines of that with Bowers,

1018
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 7: the DNA, the compete level, and the sec I mean

1019
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 7: when they bring him across the formation and he looks

1020
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 7: to absolutely wipe out linebackers and I know he's not

1021
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 7: the biggest guy, but the run after catch compete is

1022
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 7: absolutely insane. I mean running through defenders. They'll play him

1023
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 7: out wide and throw them screens because he's going to

1024
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 7: run over the cornerback or run over the safety. And

1025
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 7: then you look at the hands, I mean the one

1026
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 7: handed catchability, the ability to a high point, he understands

1027
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 7: timing going up and getting the ball in the air

1028
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 7: in the red zone. If you look, if you leave

1029
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 7: him out isolated, you're going to throw him the football

1030
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 7: and see what happens because it's probably going to go

1031
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 7: in your favor as well. I mean, it's just crazy

1032
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 7: when you look at a player that sec Freshman of

1033
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 7: the Year in twenty twenty one and then wins the

1034
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 7: MACKI in back to back years in twenty twenty two,

1035
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 7: twenty twenty three. Parents both athletes, comes from really athletic

1036
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 7: background as well, and I just think with Bowers, what

1037
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 7: you can do in the short area touches with him

1038
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 7: where he can turn up field and make something happen.

1039
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 7: But then you could also ask him to make a

1040
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 7: play in the intermediate and deep areas of the field,

1041
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 7: and then when you get the inside zone, in an

1042
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 7: outside zone, run game going. And you like him as

1043
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 7: a lead blocker because once again of that DNA and

1044
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 7: looking to crush someone. I think the hands can be

1045
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 7: a little all over the place. He can lunge because

1046
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 7: probably because he's a little bit of a smaller guy,

1047
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 7: but I'll live with that all day. I just think

1048
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 7: the mental makeup of him, combined with the athleticism with

1049
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 7: him without the ball, makes him a special player.

1050
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 8: He's my fifth overall prospect in this draft.

1051
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: Fair base in your description to kind of say he

1052
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: kind of falls in that Marvin Harrison bucket like very

1053
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: very high floor, does everything kind of technically very well,

1054
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, And I kind of agree with you. I

1055
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 1: do think the compete, the toughness, the way he catches

1056
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: the football is great. My one concern again is the

1057
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: physical stature, right, it's a little different than the normal position.

1058
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: And then how athletic is he?

1059
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 2: Really?

1060
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 1: Is that a concern for you at all? Because again,

1061
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: the tape is you know, almost it's unimpeachable, like it's fantastic.

1062
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: But do any of those kind of measurements give you

1063
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: any concern.

1064
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 8: You have to wonder?

1065
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 7: I mean, I think for me, it's one of those

1066
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 7: times where I throw out a lot of it and

1067
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,720
Speaker 7: say I'm just gonna trust what my eyes have seen

1068
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 7: for three years because it's too good.

1069
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 8: It's simply too good.

1070
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 7: And if it was, you know, coming out of an

1071
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 7: FCS program, then you really got to dive in and say, Okay,

1072
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 7: he's running away from everybody, But is he running away

1073
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 7: from guys that might not be going onto the NFL

1074
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 7: or might just be getting into a rookie mini camp

1075
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 7: or whatever it may be. I mean, he's been playing

1076
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 7: against some of the best, he's been dominating some of

1077
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 7: the best. I think what I've noticed with Bauers two

1078
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 7: this year is, I mean, he was hurt this year,

1079
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 7: and when you go back and look at the twenty

1080
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 7: twenty two tape when he was healthy, it was different

1081
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 7: in my opinion, and part of me wonders if some

1082
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 7: of him not testing at the Combine, besides having such

1083
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 7: a great prospect reputation that he almost didn't need to

1084
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 7: was was he trying to get healthy throughout the process

1085
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 7: and the training wasn't the same for him as he

1086
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 7: was trying to get healthy. Not to make excuses for

1087
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 7: the guy, because we would have loved to see him test,

1088
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 7: especially at the Pro Day, but it's one of those

1089
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 7: where I just have to fall back on the tape

1090
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 7: and you don't always do that.

1091
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 2: Now.

1092
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 7: The size is definitely something that comes into play because

1093
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 7: simply you know a lot of guys that are two

1094
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 7: forty three. Can he live on the line of scrimmage? Well,

1095
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 7: my argument on that would be, I don't want him to.

1096
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 7: I want him to do a lot of different things.

1097
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 7: I want to move him around in the backfield. I

1098
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 7: want to play him in the slot. Georgia used him

1099
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 7: out wide because I think he can, which is absolutely crazy.

1100
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 7: But he needs to be able to play on the

1101
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 7: line of scrimmage at times, so that that's thirty percent

1102
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 7: of his snaps, whatever it may be. Can he get

1103
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 7: up to two fifty? Can he continue to get stronger,

1104
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 7: fill out the frame because the compete is there for

1105
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 7: the blocking. You work on some of that hand placement,

1106
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 7: he'll be fine. So I think their fair concerns. And

1107
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 7: I think if those concerns didn't exist, brock Powers might

1108
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 7: be the fifth overall pick in the draft, but he

1109
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 7: probably won't be.

1110
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I totally agree. I think he's uh.

1111
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: He's such a unique prospect in that way and a

1112
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: guy that is again just so fun to watch. And

1113
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought this up in terms of utilization

1114
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: package because I think when he goes to the new team,

1115
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 1: whatever team that drafts him, they're going to have to

1116
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: have a plan for how to best use them. And

1117
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: so now let's talk about something that I'm sure you

1118
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: have not talked about at all, and that's quarterback. And

1119
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: I think you know, everyone's got their thoughts, everyone's got

1120
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,479
Speaker 1: their takes. I listen to your show all the time,

1121
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: and I'm somewhat familiar. But for our viewers, if you

1122
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: were the GM of the Washington Commanders picking it to

1123
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,959
Speaker 1: who's your guy and why, I think I know the answer,

1124
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: but here we go, I.

1125
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 8: Would take Drake May and I surprise, surprise, right.

1126
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 7: I feel like this isn't popular anymore though, which is

1127
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 7: really weird. I guess everybody's just trending towards the Daniels

1128
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 7: is the pick or should be the pick, or whatever

1129
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 7: it may be, and it's going to come down to

1130
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 7: what you prefer in this situation. I have the full

1131
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 7: of transparency and understanding that Drake May has bus potential

1132
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 7: as a lot of quarterbacks that go in the first

1133
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 7: round to often do.

1134
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 8: There are inconsistencies.

1135
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 7: There are times where he doesn't see lurking defenders, he

1136
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 7: takes chances into double and triple coverage, he throws.

1137
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 8: Off his back foot. Number one. The offense was terrible.

1138
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 7: I mean he was pressured a ton on his dropbacks

1139
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 7: from a bad offensive line. His best receiver, Dvantes Walker,

1140
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 7: missed the first six weeks of the season because of

1141
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 7: an NCAA and in eligibility. I mean, there was problems

1142
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 7: there with this offense. From an infrastructure standpoint. Now, did

1143
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 7: he try to overcompensate for that at times and make

1144
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 7: bad decisions? Absolutely, and that's something that he really really

1145
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 7: needs to mitigate going forward. But when you look at

1146
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 7: the I want special in the top three. Let me

1147
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 7: just be honest, I want special big body passer seventy

1148
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 7: seven big time throws over the last two seasons. Those

1149
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 7: are the special throws. Those are throws of anticipation, the

1150
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 7: deep out, the bucket throws down the field, throwing in

1151
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 7: between coverage at times, and just finding a way to

1152
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 7: fit the ball in there. That's the kind of throws

1153
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 7: with Drake may where you see the arm talent said,

1154
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 7: I thought he was a great runner in twenty twenty two.

1155
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 7: He uses that big bodied athleticism as well. He forced misstackles.

1156
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 7: He was a red zone threat as a runner. There

1157
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 7: is a scary spectrum here where if the bad decision

1158
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 7: making does not improve, if the overall ball control does

1159
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 7: not improve, is he going to bottom out? Is he

1160
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 7: ever going to develop into a starter. But he's a

1161
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 7: young quarterback. He's gotten better every year. He'll be going

1162
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 7: into a better situation because it can't get much worse

1163
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 7: than what he was dealing with at unc. I ultimately

1164
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 7: would take Drake May over Jaden Daniels.

1165
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think you bring up a lot of

1166
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: really good points there.

1167
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: I think the thing that gets me is the level

1168
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: of inconsistency that he plays with. Then you brought that up,

1169
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: and that's why you're the best, because you bring that

1170
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: stuff up and you're aware of it. But the thing

1171
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: that I kind of I tried to do this because

1172
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: I don't do quarterbacks every year. I do skill position

1173
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: guys that do tight ends, that do offensive line. I

1174
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: don't do quarterbacks because Washington's not be in a position

1175
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: to pick them very often. My question to you is

1176
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: how does he stack up with a guy like Josh Allen,

1177
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert. He gets these comps all the time. And

1178
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: when I watched Josh Allen, I see a bald dexterity,

1179
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: right that Drake May doesn't always have. When I see

1180
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, I see a better athlete, right, I see

1181
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: a guy that's more fundamentally consistent. And I think it

1182
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: gives me more a better understanding of as to why

1183
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: those guys hit. Where does Drake May fall in that spectrum?

1184
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: In your opinion? Right?

1185
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 8: I don't think he's as physically gifted. And now Allen was.

1186
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 7: I mean, well, Allen was coming out even with the

1187
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 7: problems that he had, just the physical profile, you would

1188
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 7: look at him and say it was insane. It was like, man,

1189
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 7: is this the closest thing we've seen to you know,

1190
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 7: Cam Newton and a guy like that, which is just

1191
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 7: alien status. Herbert, I think May going back to twenty

1192
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 7: twenty two, is every bit as good of an athlete.

1193
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 8: I don't think he has the arm.

1194
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 7: I mean when you would talk to guys that would

1195
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 7: go watch Herbert throw at Oregon, even when he didn't

1196
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 7: have a great senior year, they'd be like, this is

1197
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,479
Speaker 7: pretty different. And then he got to the NFL after

1198
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 7: an underwhelming senior year, and when he got to play,

1199
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 7: it was like, Okay, this ball comes out differently, the

1200
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 7: velocity is different.

1201
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 8: How easily he throws it, he said, dexterity.

1202
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 7: It's a perfect word, just the control he had over it.

1203
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 8: May doesn't have that.

1204
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 7: He's got a big arm, though, and I think when

1205
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 7: you look at the field he's against Osten.

1206
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 8: I love Michael Penix.

1207
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 7: I know Michael Penix is going to be the second

1208
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 7: overall pick in the draft, but I think Penix has

1209
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 7: a howitzer of an arm. He doesn't have that kind

1210
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 7: of playmaking, scrambling nature of May Or definitely not Daniels.

1211
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 7: Daniels all the great things he does as a runner

1212
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 7: and a touch thrower, and the compact release, which is

1213
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 7: a lot quicker and snappier than May's.

1214
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 8: Daniels is a guy.

1215
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 7: That I think likes to see it open rather than

1216
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 7: throw it open. And he's a guy that has historically

1217
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 7: before this year not handled pressure well. Now you could

1218
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 7: say some of those things about Drake May as well,

1219
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 7: but they're going to be hit a lot at the

1220
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 7: next level, and you can't take a lot of hits

1221
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 7: with the slender frame that Daniels has.

1222
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 8: With May, I've seen him take a lot of hits.

1223
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 8: He's gonna play closer to two thirty.

1224
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 7: So he's not Allen, he's not Herbert, but when you

1225
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 7: stack him in this class, he's still very physically gifted

1226
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 7: compared to the field.

1227
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. I think you see that one hundred percent.

1228
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: Like he's a special athlete. I think people sleep on

1229
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: that because of Jaden's special athleticism. But you know the

1230
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: one thing about Drake May is like big quarterbacks, for

1231
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 1: whatever reason, they tend to get hurt more because they're

1232
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: more comfortable taking shots. So I don't understand why that's

1233
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: not a criticism of Drake may because he does take

1234
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: some shots when he scrambles, like he's a competitive son

1235
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: and a gun, which I like. But if you're making

1236
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: an argument, if I'm making an argument for Jade and Daniels,

1237
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: I just feel like his floor as of right now.

1238
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 2: Is a little bit higher. He's a little bit safer for.

1239
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: You know, like the quick release you mentioned, the floor

1240
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: of having a running quarterback in your offense, the ability

1241
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: to kind of develop while playing, seems like a better

1242
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: option in terms of risk management.

1243
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 2: Would you agree with that?

1244
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 7: I would absolutely agree with that. I think that was

1245
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 7: always my argument for Lamar Jackson coming out now. I

1246
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 7: don't think Daniels is the runner Lamar is, and I

1247
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 7: don't think anybody really ever will be, And I think

1248
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 7: people need to be really careful with that.

1249
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 8: It was like Michael Vick.

1250
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 7: Okay, many many many years later Lamar Jackson and then

1251
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 7: we'll still wait for the next one.

1252
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 8: So but he's still a gifted runner.

1253
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 7: Where you're right, that sets a floor because it allows

1254
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 7: you to develop on things while still impacting the game. Now,

1255
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 7: it also is going to come down to what Cliff

1256
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 7: Kingsbury is looking to do. If he's going to run

1257
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 7: a quick game offense that also opens up the threat

1258
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 7: of the running quarterback, then you sprint the card in

1259
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 7: for Jaden Daniels because that's the identity of your offense.

1260
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 7: If you're looking for traditional dropback. We are going to

1261
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 7: push the ball down the field. We are going to

1262
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 7: absolutely use the intermedia and deep areas of the field,

1263
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 7: and we're going to get Drake make comfortable over time.

1264
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 7: Now here's the thing with Washington. I think Drake may

1265
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 7: while he has the higher ceiling than a lot of

1266
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 7: these guys, he needs to sit because of the floor,

1267
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 7: because of the bad habits he's developed on a bad

1268
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 7: UNC program. I look at Washington, I don't think who

1269
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 7: they're drafting it to is sitting. So that even might

1270
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 7: reaffirm the argument more for a player like Daniels, who

1271
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 7: he's played five years of college football two different programs.

1272
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 7: That's the argument for him and Michael Pennix. They've dealt

1273
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 7: with adversity, they've played a lot of football, They've gotten

1274
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 7: better over time in and out.

1275
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 8: Of the pocket as well.

1276
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,959
Speaker 7: Those guys are guys that are more equipped to play

1277
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 7: right now, and that's something that it's weird, but teams

1278
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 7: really really do factor it in depending where the state

1279
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 7: of their franchise is.

1280
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I know what you're going to

1281
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 1: say about this, but let's briefly touch on JJ.

1282
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 2: Obviously a guy that I like a lot.

1283
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: In terms of watching the film, it is very similar

1284
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: to what I did when I was in the NFL,

1285
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: and that's probably why that's my own bias.

1286
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 2: Where is he on your big board?

1287
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 3: Do you?

1288
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure you're going to say he's to

1289
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 1: reach it too, but I see a guy who's talented,

1290
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: got leadership, he's a winner, all those things. As an evaluator,

1291
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: how do you rank that stuff?

1292
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean number one, A guy that has gotten

1293
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 7: so much better this year. When I watched him last summer,

1294
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 7: I was like, Man, I don't know how people are

1295
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 7: projecting this guy as a future first rounder and the

1296
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 7: leaps and bounds he's made, especially when you just filter

1297
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 7: it and just watch the third and seven plus plays.

1298
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 7: I mean, what you said at the offense, what he

1299
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 7: was asked to do, pro style concepts a lot on

1300
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 7: his play because their run run pass very often, which

1301
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 7: does not help a young quarterback very often because if

1302
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 7: the run run doesn't go well and you're sitting on

1303
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 7: third and long, well, buddy, it's all on your lap

1304
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 7: right now. And he made a lot of plays to

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Speaker 7: his credit. I think mechanically he's so sound. He understands

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Speaker 7: how to drive the ball. He uses his bass a

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Speaker 7: really you know, kind of head to toe's passer is

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Speaker 7: what I like to call it. Everything seems to be

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Speaker 7: in sync where I don't think JJ McCarthy has an

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Speaker 7: elite arm, but I think he knows how to maximize

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Speaker 7: his arm, and that's why when the ball comes out

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Speaker 7: it's pretty clean, especially on the deep outs. You see

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Speaker 7: them throw to Roman Wilson a lot. So I have

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Speaker 7: him and I don't really do a quarterback curve, right.

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Speaker 7: I try to be very careful of how I rank

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Speaker 7: these guys, Like you're a quarterback, you're in the top ten.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 7: For perspective, I have Caleb Williams as the number two

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Speaker 7: player in this draft. Drake May has been around seven,

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Speaker 7: and then Pennox and Jayden Daniels have been hovering around

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Speaker 7: the twenties and then McCarthy right at thirty three. I

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Speaker 7: think he's somebody that if you threw it out a

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Speaker 7: quarterback thirst aside, you love him as that back end

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Speaker 7: around one first pick of the second round. You're going

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Speaker 7: to sit for a year or two. You're going to develop,

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Speaker 7: We're going to let the game slow down for you

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Speaker 7: at times, and then you're going to be our guy.

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Speaker 7: McCarthy because of the raw traits he has, because of

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Speaker 7: what he's done at the college level, is going to

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Speaker 7: go in the top ten. He still might be afforded

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Speaker 7: the opportunity to sit for a little bit, maybe the

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Speaker 7: first half of the season.

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Speaker 8: I just think he's somebody that.

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Speaker 7: When things do get a little chaotic, and he had

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Speaker 7: a great offensive line in front of him, when the

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00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 7: pressure is on he gets a little chaotic, he can

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Speaker 7: kind of drop his head, he can kind of do

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Speaker 7: the classic spin and turn out of the pocket. You're

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Speaker 7: going to run yourself into a lot of pressure in

1340
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Speaker 7: the NFL unless you're an elite runner.

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Speaker 8: I don't think he's an elite runner. I think he's

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Speaker 8: a good athlete.

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Speaker 7: So interesting hockey background, I mean, really really varied athletic

1344
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 7: background with McCarthy. So he's my favorite developmental guy, but

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Speaker 7: I think the days are gone that he's not going

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Speaker 7: to be drafted in that capacity at all anymore.

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Speaker 1: Connor, I mean that's why you're the man right there.

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Speaker 1: That was the most in depth and succincts quarterback analysis

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Speaker 1: we've had on this show this entire year, saying something

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Speaker 1: about myself and just a guy Jason in terms of

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Speaker 1: our inability to an analyze quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: And if people want more of your content, where can

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Speaker 1: they find you?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, everything's on nbcsports dot com right with all our

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Speaker 7: traft content. And if you want to listen to more of

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Speaker 7: the rankings of the NFL Stock Exchange podcasts on YouTube

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Speaker 7: and wherever you listen to shows, Logan, it was.

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Speaker 8: Awesome talking to you, man.

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Speaker 7: I'm definitely going to bother you some even more about

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Speaker 7: this tight end class dude.

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Speaker 8: It's it's been a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, thank you so much for joining us and

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Speaker 1: really man like home run grand Slam knocked out of

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Speaker 1: the part.

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Speaker 2: Thanks buddy,