1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My 5 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: name is Matt. Our colleague Nol is not here, I know, 6 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: but he will be returning shortly. They call me Ben. 7 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: We're joined as always with our superproducer Paul Mission controlled decade. 8 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: Most importantly, you are you, You are here, and that 9 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. Matt, 10 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: it is so good to be back. I have no 11 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: idea what time it is, but we've got we've got. 12 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: We've got a great episode today, and I thought, maybe 13 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: if we could, I don't want to be too sentimental, 14 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: but if we could, could we have just a moment 15 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: of remembrance for the ruins of headphones that I'm wearing 16 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: right now as we record? I think we should? You 17 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: ready here it comes a moment of silence in honor 18 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: of Ben's headphones. There it goes all right, be a legend. 19 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: I'll like to play boys to mend yesterday. You won't 20 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: be able to hear it, Yeah, I won't be able 21 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: to hear it. I'll have to hear it, hear it 22 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: in my heart and soul. Matt. Now that so much 23 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: time has passed, I gotta tell you, I'm pretty sure 24 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: these are your headphones or were at some point, or 25 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: maybe Casey Pegram's headphones at some point. These are so old, dude, 26 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: are they the black sendhisers? Yeah? Oh yeah, I've got 27 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: a pair of silver ones right now. Yeah, these are 28 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: nice and old too. There. These headphones were probably some 29 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: of the first Countless members. Well, we could probably count them. 30 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: A lot of our colleagues, probably war in our early 31 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: days of podcasting. So I was telling you a nol 32 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: our group chat. I don't know if it's appropriate, but 33 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: I'm thinking if we put these in a nice like 34 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: glass box, kind of artsy frame and send it, send 35 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: it to an iHeart corporate office. If we make a 36 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: plaque that looks nice enough, someone's going to hang it 37 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: on the wall. Yeah they will, and they should, honestly 38 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: they should. Or we could just I don't know, rub 39 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: some kind of blood and guts all over it and 40 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: send it up into the mountains. Do a one of 41 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: those one of those burials called sky barrel. Right there, 42 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:43,679 Speaker 1: we go yes, because because buzzards love eating Sineheiser headphones. Yeah, 43 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: that was one of their main selling points when they 44 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: came out, the headphones the vultures love. So the thing 45 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: here is if we did send this these busted headphones, 46 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: and we made a vague enough plaque, then after they 47 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: were hanging for years and years and years, people would 48 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: start telling stories about them, and they would be doing so, 49 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: probably with totally good intentions. They heard someone else say, oh, 50 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: these headphones belong to you know, Josh and Chuck from 51 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: stuff you should know. And then as time went on, 52 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: maybe someone say, actually, these are the headphones that you 53 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: know a legendary musician war when they did a showy 54 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: Andre three thousands, and he developed them to look exactly 55 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: like that. They're not broken. No, No, as a matter 56 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: of fact, you're broken for making that assumption. Okay, so 57 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 1: keep walking. We're finishing the tour. But people make stories 58 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: about things, right. People want the world to make sense, 59 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: and we are no different on this show. It's a 60 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: big reason why we started it. So we are. We 61 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: always talked with each other off air about ideas and 62 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: about ideas that our fellow conspiracy realistic sent in and 63 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: every so often we run into something that we have 64 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: never heard of at this point, will run in at 65 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: this point. We I think all three of us have 66 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: a pretty good spidy sense about a category or genre 67 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: of mysterious thing. But I'd say it's increasingly rare for 68 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: all of us now to hear about something and have 69 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:31,119 Speaker 1: no idea. Correct. That happened to us pretty recently, right, Yeah, 70 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: Our buddy Nile called in and let us know about 71 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 1: a thing called Adam's calendar, and it was kind of 72 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: just an aside in a larger conversation he wanted to have. 73 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: But this thing, just because we had no knowledge of it, 74 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: became a little bit of a rabbit hole for us. 75 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: And it's fascinating, y'all. Absolutely, this site, this name might 76 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: not be familiar to everyone, or at least not by 77 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: that name, but depending on who you ask, it may 78 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: be one of the most significant struck in all of 79 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: human history. If you checked out our listener Male segment 80 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: where we mentioned this and we love it. If you 81 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: do check out those shows, we always have a lot 82 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: of fun. Then you listeners at home may have heard 83 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: Matt Nye sprinkling in some caveats and as people who 84 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: who talk on air pretty constantly. It can be difficult 85 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: for us to hold back stuff when we know we 86 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: want to do an episode on it. So you might 87 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: have sent some hesitation or some ellipses while we're talking 88 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: and we're saying, well, people claim it's the oldest structure 89 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: on the planet, and then there's a pause and one 90 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: of us is like, agreed, people do claim that. Moving on. Yeah, 91 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: in storytelling, you generally don't want to give away the 92 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: entire ending right up at the top, which is, you know, 93 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: unless you're doing a memento thing. Oh yeah, you can 94 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: show like the very last moment and then you're like, 95 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: but what happened? Then you go back to the beginning. 96 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: You're probably wondering how I got here? So yeah, this, okay, 97 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:16,559 Speaker 1: here are the facts. We know. History can be pretty tricky, Matt, 98 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: you and I were. I think the best example you 99 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: and I ever found of the trickiness of history comes 100 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: in the story of the City of Troy, right, which 101 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: centuries and centuries was assumed to be an allegory or 102 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:38,559 Speaker 1: assumed to be a complete work of fiction, until one 103 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: guy rediscovered it and proved that this was a real place. 104 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: Lost civilizations are a real thing. Humanity is great at 105 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: losing stuff. It's not just you and your smartphone or 106 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: your car keys. Don't feel bad in a very real way. 107 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: You are not alone, and other people have lost way 108 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: bigger things. And the further we travel back from the 109 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: present day twenty twenty three as we record this, the 110 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: harder it is to learn specifics about almost anything a 111 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: given artifact, right like the Shroud of turin which I 112 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: don't know if we ever did an episode on, or structure, 113 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: or even an entire culture. You know, no one knows 114 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: what happened to the ancient sea people's that's a true story. 115 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: No one knows exactly why everything in one part of 116 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: the world collapsed during the Bronze Age. We just know 117 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: things went sideways. And like we said, Earth is hungry. 118 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: It eats stuff. It's just the sad fact that the 119 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: majority of ancient human culture is irretrievably lost. Oh yeah, 120 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: it is because forests and all kinds of vegetation just 121 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: eats that stuff, doesn't matter what you made it out of, 122 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: it'll eat it and then it just becomes some stones. 123 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: And in the case of our story today, we are 124 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: talking about stones spoiler alert, lots and lots of stones, 125 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: which you know, they'll stick around for quite a while. 126 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: They do tend to move a little bit when the 127 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: softer stuff below them moves. But if you've got let's say, 128 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: a standing stone structure like Stonehenge, it will stick around. Yeah. 129 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: That's that's something that I think a lot of us 130 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: wish we had known earlier as kids, you know, reading 131 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: the Time Life, Mysteries of the Unknown books and all 132 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, which I love and still reread. 133 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: Very few people point out that the reason so many 134 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 1: ancient structures are made of stone is because they are 135 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: the ones that are still around today. There was a 136 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: bunch of other stuff, quite sophisticated architecture, but it happened 137 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: to be of reads. It happened to be of wood, 138 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: you know. And it's a real three little pigs of 139 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: you know thing that history has been doing for a 140 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: long time, you know, right. Yeah, And that's why things 141 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: made of bones, which are organic matter, even those can 142 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: be eaten by the hungry, hungry planet upon which we live. 143 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: So when you see things like the pyramids at Giza, 144 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: or Stonehenge, or any number of ancient structures, you have 145 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: to remember you're seeing a very small percentage of what 146 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: was a thriving world. And these things now do not 147 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: look anything like they did in their heyday. You're looking 148 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: at remnants, right, some in better condition than others. And 149 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: when you look at these remnants, if you were like 150 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: countless people throughout the millennia, you have tried to understand 151 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: who would have gone to all that trouble and why why? 152 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, there were grocery stores living, 153 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: just surviving, not even thriving, was a full time job. 154 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: And so you look at these structures and you you 155 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: have to think, I mean, it's weird and as weird 156 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: and petty as it sounds, you have to think, how 157 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: did they schedule this? Like, how did they cooperate? How 158 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: many people did this take? What did they use right? 159 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: What could have what could have motivated someone so much 160 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: so that they would have cooperated with hundreds or even thousands, 161 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: thousands of other people to build something like this, knowing 162 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: that every minute they were doing that, they weren't out hunting, gathering, 163 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: rearing children, all all the hits, you know. Besides, I 164 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: guess the I don't know kind of easy answer of 165 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: they were forced to do it by somebody who said, 166 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: I'll kill you if you don't build this temple, which 167 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: seems to be kind of common in the past. Yeah, 168 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: help us build this monument to our odd who has 169 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 1: revealed this construction in a dream to me. Yeah cool, 170 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: that's a good story, man. But I don't believe in 171 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: your God. Then build it or I will kill you. Yes, 172 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: Is that easier for you? Yeah, I'm now newly converted. Right, 173 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: we need to make this monument in the hero and now, well, 174 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: I don't care about the hero it now then see me, 175 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: I am here, I am now. I gotta stop rereading 176 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: Black Monday murders. It's sad. I'm like, I'm subscribed to 177 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: forms to let me know the latest news when the 178 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: issues coming, Well you just you let me know, and 179 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: then I'm getting going to that's delegation. Yeah. So so, 180 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: but now we're talking about these stories, right, and it's 181 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: very understandable thing. You know, despite all the rumors about 182 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: places like Stonehenge or the Pyramids or what has been 183 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:58,719 Speaker 1: called by a few Adams calendar, we can confirm the 184 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: most important part these things are old. That bird is true. 185 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: These are all very very old. Yes. In the case 186 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: of the Pyramids of Giza. We're talking about a construction 187 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: period somewhere between two thousand, five hundred and fifty years 188 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: BC to two thousand, four hundred and ninety years BC. 189 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 1: And just remember those numbers do count down because you're 190 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: counting backwards to zero, which then goes into the common era. 191 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: Interesting stuff. Yeah right, it's tricky too, And so Stonehenge 192 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: would weigh in somewhere with a construction period of somewhere 193 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: between three thousand BC to twenty five hundred BC. Still 194 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: both very very old, and like you said, Matt, accounts down. 195 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: But you've heard of these structures before. You may have 196 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: even seen videos or heard podcast episodes on these that 197 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: we have recorded, may have even seen Ancient Aliens episodes. Yeah, 198 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: and we've made no secret that there are some serious 199 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: problems with a lot of ancient alien theories, not all, 200 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: and we're not saying that they're made in bad faith 201 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: or the people who do it are drifters or anything 202 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: like that, but there are a lot of assumptions in 203 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: those and personally, I feel like it's safe to say 204 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: on our show we would prefer History Channel lean into 205 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: explaining some of the problems, some of the plot holes 206 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: in those stories or you know, just history in general 207 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 1: or just history in general. Yeah, which is not a 208 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: static thing. It is a conversation. It is also, to 209 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: a high degree malleable. And the people who control the 210 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: past control the present and therefore the future. Yeah. So okay, 211 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: so you know about stone innge folks. We know about 212 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: the pyramids. They're awesome. A lot of the more breathless 213 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 1: claims about them, of course, have not been proven, but 214 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: a lot of serious questions remain about the motivation to 215 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: build them, some of the methods used, etc. And you 216 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: can see some great research on these right now, like, 217 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: if you've got some time to kill, go find go 218 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: find people reconstructing the ancient means folks used to make 219 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: megalithic structures, right or Dolman or whatever. And today's show 220 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: is thematically related to that, because those are the most 221 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: well known examples. But Adam's calendar Matt is not something 222 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: that a lot of people have heard about. I think, no, 223 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: it is not. And let's just get this out of 224 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: the way. When we say Adam, we're not talking about 225 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: your friend you grew up with and went to elementary 226 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: school with. No, we're talking about Adam from Adam and Eve. 227 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: The biblical story of the first man pre belly button 228 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: guy that Adam, the fig leaves and the shame, and 229 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: a complicated relationship with snakes, that and his kids and 230 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: his partner. It's just a lot of layers to Adam. 231 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: And so apparently he had this calendar or it was 232 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: there's someone who named this site in modern day South 233 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: Africa Adams Calendar. It's remote. It is not something that 234 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: you can just easily immediately visit from the Johannesburg airport, 235 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: but there is definitely something there. If you go to 236 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: the Mumpumlanga province in South Africa, then you will see 237 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: that this site is not protected by an electric fence, 238 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: by high security, nor a government nor a corporation. It's 239 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: just out there on one side of a valley, near 240 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: the ancient side of a river. And if you're in 241 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: the area, you can go visit it, but you're going 242 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: to want to plan your trip. Yeah, there is. I 243 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: did find a small place you can rent. There's a 244 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: house I think pretty close to it, just a couple 245 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: of roads over found. I found that. I'm looking into it. Yeah, 246 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: I'm on board. I'm on board. Look, I'll keep track 247 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: of that comic book we like, And could you just 248 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: produce the Trip to South Africa? Easy? Got it right? Yeah, 249 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna rope any Reese into it because I know 250 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: she's been there. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And that's 251 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: Annie Reese, our dear friend from Sminty and from the 252 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: Savor podcast, both of which are great. Do people know 253 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: what Sminty is? Stuff? Mom never told you? Oh my gosh, 254 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: we're doing jargon just like colts. We're doing acronyms just 255 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: like governments. Stuff. Mom never told you. Yes, And shout 256 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: out to the creator, Christine Togger. And so Nat, let's 257 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: talk about Adams count. Let's use the name Adam's Calendar 258 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: for now, because that's how you and I initially learned 259 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: about it. How old is Adam's Calendar? How does it 260 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: stack up in comparison to the Pyramids or in comparison 261 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: to Stonehenge. Well, it really really depends on where you 262 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: look online and on whose research those numbers are based, 263 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: because you can find some people claiming that it's only 264 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: about five hundred years old. Some people say it's a couple, 265 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: you know, fifteen hundred, couple thousand years old, Others saying 266 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: it's around seventy five thousand years old. Seventy five thousand 267 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: years old, this would put it well before the Pyramids, 268 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: well before the world's favorite hinge. First glance, you know, 269 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: to the untrained eye or even the academic eye. Honestly, 270 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: if you're just looking at it for the first time, 271 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: you can confirm it looks ancient. We found some great 272 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: descriptions of it from an outfit called the Heritage Portal 273 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: in an article written by Peter Dulias, Tim Mags and 274 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: Alex Schumann, and it was thinking maybe we lean on 275 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: them a little bit to describe the site, because they 276 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 1: paint a beautiful picture of how you get to the 277 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: countryside in a pretty rural area. You know it maybe 278 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: suburban in a few decades, but right now it's pretty rural, 279 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: and you'll hit a vista and you start to see 280 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: in the distance something breaking up that pastoral low sweep 281 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: of the valley. Oh. Yes. In this book they describe 282 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 1: driving through Mapamlonga looking out, as you said, Ben, and 283 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: seeing something remarkable. That's how they put it. You'll see 284 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: fragments both large and small, of buildings in stone or 285 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: like parts of buildings. Right they're near the sides of 286 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: the road. They're further away up in the hills, down 287 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: in the valleys below, but you're starting to see them 288 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: everywhere you look. Right, It's not just one thing. It's 289 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: not one old building or something. There are no roofs, 290 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: there are no clear you know, entry ways or windows 291 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: of course by this point in history, so you might 292 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: not immediately think these are dwellings, but you can tell 293 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: those rocks didn't just happen naturally. Somebody made them exactly. 294 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give you a little further quote here, Ben, 295 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: because they describe them as endless stone circles set in 296 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: bewildering mazes and linked by longstone passages that cover the 297 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: landscape below. And that, to me is just that picture 298 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: in my mind, circles attached through some kind of maybe roads, 299 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: maybe some kind of At some point it was a 300 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: there was a dome to those walkways or something like. 301 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: Why was all that stuff? Without knowing anything, my mind 302 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: starts to just travel off into all the different possibilities 303 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: right right. And this is the time when you start 304 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: reading the primary sources and the scholarly papers and realizing 305 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: how much terminology you have forgotten from school days. At 306 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: least that's the case. I think many of us find 307 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: ourselves in. These folks also note something really important. The 308 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: site is huge, and when you're dealing with things on 309 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: that scale, if you're just standing on the ground, regardless 310 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: of your height as an individual, you're going to have 311 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: a tough time grasping the entirety of the structure. Right. 312 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 1: That's why they say, That's why they imply you need 313 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: to get a bird's eye view. If you study the 314 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: views provided by Google Earth. They see you can you 315 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: can see it here, which we've confirmed you can. You 316 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: can get a sense of the heartland of this world. 317 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: And they talk about how these structures enact over ten 318 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 1: thousand square kilometers of the Pomologa Escarpment into again a 319 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: very complex, very sophisticated web of stone walls what appear 320 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: to have been at least partially stone buildings. How big 321 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 1: is this thing because it feels like, you know, when 322 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: you hear about other ancient megalithic structures like Stonehenge. Stonehenge 323 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: is something with a road you can drive by it, right, 324 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of a specific, discrete site. There's 325 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: just the one thing called Stonehenge. Yes, there's not six 326 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: or seven stonehenges, but we do know the currectly if 327 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: I'm wrong here, Ben, I think as a part of Stonehenge, 328 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: there are several other nearby sites that are just a 329 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:49,479 Speaker 1: distance away. There's nothing connecting them. And yes, there's some 330 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: kind of similarity here where there's a great distance between 331 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: some of these what do the stone structures with the 332 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: walls and the things we're describing there, there's some place 333 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: where it's just so far away from the next one, 334 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: and then others where it just seems like they were 335 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: all built right together. So yes, Sorr, I'm getting a 336 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: little distracted here, Ben. The entirety of all those structures, 337 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: if you're driving through it is said to run one 338 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty clicks north to south and about fifty 339 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: kilometers wide. Ben, remind us what a click is. Click 340 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: is a kilometer. It's what we it's what we do, 341 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: so we don't feel like we're saying kilometer too often. 342 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: And it sounds cool, right Like. I don't know if 343 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: anybody grew up with military in your family, but whomember 344 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: it was that was an older figure in your family 345 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: who was in the military, If they ever describe something 346 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: in terms of clicks. It just sounded so cool, right. 347 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: Can I tell you what I thought it was when 348 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: I was growing up. You know, when you watch radar 349 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: go around in like an eighties movie or seventy you know, 350 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: just older movies, like the radar going around in a circle, 351 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: I always thought it was one move over on the radar. So, like, 352 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: whatever that distance is for the standard for a radar, 353 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,959 Speaker 1: I thought that's what a click was. I'm not smart. 354 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: Oh no, that's you know what. Let's just start let's 355 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: start describing things in clicks, but not as kilometers. Okay, cool, 356 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: let's just never explain it. But but yeah, you raise 357 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: a great point here, because that site, you know, one 358 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty kilometers or like ninety three something miles 359 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: or whatever. This is huge, and Adam's calendar exists within 360 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: that structure. However, however defined, it's on one side of 361 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: a steep valley by a river, and that placement makes 362 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: a lot of sense because historically humans have always sought 363 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: to live by sources of water. It's a great way 364 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: to get sustenance, it's great for trade routes, especially in 365 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: earlier eras, and you know, honestly, just rivers look nice. 366 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: Living by a body of water when the weather is 367 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: on your side, it can be really relaxing. You're absolutely right. 368 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 1: And let's tell people the name of that river. It's 369 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: the Blowbush Crawl River and that's what all of these 370 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: stone ruins are named after her. So the Blowbush Crawl 371 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: stone Ruins. And this is how you spell it. If 372 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: you want to look it up b L A A 373 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: U b O s h k R A A L 374 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: you can find it. And you can even find it 375 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: on Google Maps and look at a bird's eye view 376 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: of this thing. I would highly recommend Google Earth because 377 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 1: you can really scan across the area pretty effectively and 378 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: look at what you can see these on the ground. Yeah, 379 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,479 Speaker 1: you absolutely can, and it's worth checking out. You know, 380 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: Google isn't perfect, but Google Earth is just a fascinating 381 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: piece of software and it shows you how far how 382 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: far surveillance has come. Like try that street view or 383 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: try that game where you just tried you attempt you 384 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: get a random picture from street view and you attempt 385 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 1: to guess where it is in the world. Oh wow, 386 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: some people are really good at that. I've seen I've 387 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: seen some YouTube bids. I just really just hover over 388 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: a groom lake for way too long, just kind of 389 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: look around, keep it and refresh just in case. So 390 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: we are going to pause for word from our sponsors 391 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: and a little bit of refreshment, and then we're going 392 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: to get back to Adam's Calendar and the many other 393 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: names it has, and we're going to try to separate 394 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: some fact from fiction. And we've returned. So this site 395 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: has garnered a lot of attention in recent decades. I 396 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: think we can skip the idea of what it was 397 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: quote unquote discovered, because truthfully, a lot of times when 398 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: you hear about something being discovered, it means it was 399 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: the first time that someone not in the local community 400 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: came across it. Right, you're absolutely correct, But can we 401 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: talk about how that person feels like they discovered it 402 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: or thinks they discovered it? Yeah, that's a good covey. Yeah, yeah, 403 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,719 Speaker 1: let's go with that, because we're talking about looking at 404 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 1: this stuff from a satellite view, right and being able 405 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: to get the scope. But when you're driving through it's 406 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: kind of hard even at first to tell if you're 407 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: actually seeing stone sites that are all connected together or 408 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: are they all separate or what is that stuff? But 409 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: if you can see it from above, like the two 410 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: people were about to talk about, did they put it 411 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: together and felt like they discovered something new, something hidden? Yeah, 412 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: And these folks might be called fringe researchers by some 413 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: and they're part of the very out there claims you 414 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 1: might hear about who built these ruins and why. And 415 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: I think the most well known of those claims come 416 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: from a guy named Michael Tellinger, who is a politician 417 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: and author in South Africa who co wrote a book 418 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: about this that kind of functions as the primary source 419 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: for a lot of people who believe there's something far 420 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: out of the ordinary about this site, something extremely special. Right, 421 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: it has more meaning to it than meets the eye. Yeah, 422 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: there's like almost code in how the stones are laid out. 423 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: This person, Michael Tellinger, he worked with Johann Heen, I 424 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 1: think is how you would say it H E, I 425 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: N E. And these guys just well, I guess we 426 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: can just say what it is, but let's preface it 427 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 1: with their ideas appear to be very closely based on 428 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: the concepts put forward by Zechariah's stitching. The concepts that 429 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: were kind of alluding to at the beginning here that 430 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: aliens or extraterrestrials may have had some involvement in ancient civilizations, 431 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: including whoever it was that built this Adam's calendar structure. Right, Yeah, 432 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: this will be familiar to anybody read books like Chariot 433 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: of the Gods by Eric van danikin Twelfth Planet, Twelfth Planet, 434 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: the planet beyond Neptune, Neberu, and so on. Yeah. Zecharia 435 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: Stitchen is of that of that school of thought, and 436 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: in his case, he if I recall it right correctly. 437 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: One of his big platforms, or one of the big 438 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: planks of his platform, is the idea that ancient human 439 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: Sumerian culture was created by a non human intelligence or 440 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: inspired by a non human intelligence, which are now the 441 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: legendary Anunaki, right and Nephelim and so on, and that 442 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: they actually come from a planet beyond Neptune, which would 443 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: be Nimburau. There you go, and Nibrew's coming back. Oh yeah, 444 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's always coming back because it's because of 445 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: its multi thousand year orbit around the Sun. Stitching, by 446 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: the way, is very well known in his space. Before 447 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: his death in twenty ten, he sold millions and millions 448 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: of copies of His work translated into multiple languages and 449 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: inspired a lot of people, and so some Intellinger's skeptics 450 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: will say that Stitching also heavily inspired him. Tellinger's book 451 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: claims that the ruins are actually three hundred thousand years old, 452 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,719 Speaker 1: which would make much much older than anything I did. 453 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: I didn't, Ben, I just have to tell you in 454 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: what I was like, Yeah, I didn't even see that number. 455 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: I saw. I think one hundred and sixty as the 456 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: maximum that was reported. I guess where I was looking. 457 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,719 Speaker 1: Three hundred thousand years Well, then that might be another 458 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: story people are telling, right, the specifics change and yeah, 459 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: you know what again, we have to be careful about 460 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: that psychological phenomenon anchoring, because you hear a wild number 461 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: like three hundred thousand years old, and all of a 462 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: sudden you start to think, oh, the Pyramids and Stonehenge 463 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: aren't that impressive. They very much are. There's still those things. 464 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: They're still also really really old, but probably beyond the 465 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: scale of human imagining right to really grasp that span 466 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: of time. So let's not dunk on, let's not dunk 467 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: on our previously popular ancient sites. Well, because this one's 468 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: just supposedly might be three hundred thousand years old, according 469 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: to these authors. Right, just so. And these authors and 470 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: other people who agree with them have also claimed to 471 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: have found the motivation for building this stuff, the purpose 472 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: behind it, which, as we established, is like the big 473 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: question why go to all this trouble in their mind. 474 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: It's a multifunctional thing. It is an ancient calendar, but 475 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: not just that, yes, not just that at all. It's 476 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: an ancient calendar that looks at things like equinoxes and solstices, 477 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: and it's able to use it the shadows of the 478 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: sun to determine all that stuff. And it's also aligned 479 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: to based on O'Ryan up above. It's also based there 480 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: are several other things that made it super special, this 481 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: true north south, true west east, and there are a 482 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: couple other alignments that you make it a calendar and 483 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: a clock and a bunch of other things. But they're 484 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: also saying it's connected in some way to lay lines, 485 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: or is it lay lines, or is it just some 486 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: other type of line that spans across the earth that 487 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: does connect to ancient sites like the Pyramids of Giza 488 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: and other old places. Right, it's if not lay lines, 489 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: it's a very similar argument to lay lines, right, that 490 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: there's a larger structure that ancient humans either created or 491 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: learned to use, right the same way that ancient societies 492 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: learn to use rivers for trade. So the other big 493 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: thing in addition to aliens that people find controversial is 494 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: the idea that Adams Calendar in particular and the site 495 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: overall served as part of a kind of Eldridge power grid, 496 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: a big network across southern Africa that somehow harnessed and 497 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: channeled power way before humanity first learned to use electricity. 498 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: WHOA how cool would that be? If that was wrong? 499 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: That would be amazing. Like, look, I'll give you a story. 500 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: What if Earth is a machine? Right? We think it's 501 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: got this mantle and this crust and this core and 502 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: all this stuff. What it's a machine, I'll moonfall And 503 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: the nature of this machine as you get outwards towards 504 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: the crust of it, the place that's organic, you've actually 505 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: got these like ridges that go all the way around 506 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: the Earth. I'm trying to imagine something that it would 507 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: look like a ridge, like imagine a ball. But then 508 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: it's got these ridges that go out about an inch 509 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: and on each of those ridges that go around. You could, 510 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: you know, put something in the ground and you got power. Baby, 511 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: but you got to be on the ridge. Okay, too 512 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: out there? Sorry, No, no, I like it because because 513 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: you know that's oh and it's done, Ben, It's done 514 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: because the creators of the Earth who made that machine, 515 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: they knew they had to limit the number of human 516 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: beings they were on the planet, right right, so they 517 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: would only exist around those ridges, and then nature would 518 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: be able to grow in between them. Baby. Yeah. And 519 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: this is a watertight theory. Oh it is. What can 520 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: I say? You can submerge it. I feel like you've 521 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: nailed it. I feel like you figured it out. And 522 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: if we can just confirm even a piece of that, 523 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: then it is. Yeah. Yeah, it would make it the 524 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: most important site in human history. So is it true? 525 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. No, no, now not the no, 526 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 1: Matt's theory has not yet been fully investigated. Oh yeah, yeah, 527 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 1: we have to. We have to do a lot more 528 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: due diligence and get our hands around the globe and 529 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: you know, start digging into the planet. Various plays. I say, 530 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: we do it. But if you're talking about just Tallenger's ideas, 531 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: then you're going to quickly run into a problem. The 532 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: research on this and I'm trying to be diplomatic here, 533 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: the research on the site is a house divided. There 534 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: are two camps. One group, like Tallenger, makes a lot 535 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 1: of claims that are pretty difficult to verify. And on 536 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: the other side you have a ton of historians and 537 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: archaeologists local and from across the globe who have a 538 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: much different narrative. And there's right now seems to be 539 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: supported by the bulk of the objective evidence. Yeah, it 540 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: should be pointed out that you can find it all 541 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: everywhere online. Allegedly, Tallenger hired some amateur to give him 542 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: a date about how old this structure was, and that's 543 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: where the original age of the structure came from, which 544 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: was stated as seventy five thousand years. Yeah, exactly. And 545 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: experts in the in the academic camp believe they also 546 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: knew who built this structure, the Baconi civilization boko in I. Yeah, 547 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: and that's not just Adams Kelenard. That's the entirety of 548 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: those blow Bush crawl ruins. There were one hundred and 549 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: fifty cliques north and south then fifty kilometers wide. Yeah, 550 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 1: they believe that it was created in a series of 551 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: phases in the sixteenth century, and a lot of a 552 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:43,399 Speaker 1: lot of the current conjecture argues that these structures were 553 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: either built as a way to keep cattle like cattle enclosures, 554 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: or a way to mark out various territorial boundaries. We 555 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: do know it's it's a pretty complex structure from what 556 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 1: we can tell. And look, it's also quite possible that 557 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,879 Speaker 1: a few aliens may have decided to play cowboy, right 558 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 1: maybe but maybe, But if they did, they left no 559 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: record of anything other than human activity there. Yeah. Well, 560 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: it's also thought that some of the stones that exist 561 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 1: there that kind of resemble roads may have been terraced 562 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: structure like terrace where you could either plant something or 563 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: keep smaller animals within, like the certain area. There's a 564 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 1: really great research that's been done into this thing, and 565 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: it shows a pretty robust life for people who were 566 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:47,240 Speaker 1: living out there in large numbers sure pastoral agricultural communities. 567 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: They had thriving industries, and they were connected to larger 568 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: networks of completely different communities, and they most likely did 569 00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,280 Speaker 1: use that river as a way of engaging in trade. 570 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: The site itself seems to be built in three rough phases, 571 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:11,240 Speaker 1: and the phases of construction tell a story over time. 572 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 1: In the third phase, it seemed that things have been 573 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: escalating for a while. Rival communities appear to have invaded 574 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 1: what was traditionally the land of the Boconi, and instability 575 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 1: across the region was pushing these groups into territory, right 576 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 1: into competition for all the resources you could imagine. So 577 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: the Buconi are believed to have responded by building something 578 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: that a few scholars have called the equivalent of refugee settlements. 579 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah. And it's not like they were temporary, 580 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: like you know, it was an invading army that came 581 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 1: in over the course of a week or something like that. 582 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,839 Speaker 1: They built these structures to last a long time, as 583 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: in the leaders at least saw an ongoing problem that 584 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: needed to be addressed. And this is one of the answers. Yeah, 585 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: the mcconey were an advanced, sophisticated group. They definitely knew 586 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,320 Speaker 1: what they were doing when they were constructing this stuff. 587 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: And again, they were regional players, particularly in the food 588 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,879 Speaker 1: industry of the day. You could say they function kind 589 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: of as a regional breadbasket. And it seems that they 590 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 1: quite likely traded agricultural products for other goods, or even 591 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,919 Speaker 1: luxuries like ivory, you know, the stuff they didn't have. 592 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: Similar to our conversations about Ukraine. Yeah right, there's always 593 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,919 Speaker 1: conflict Ultimately, I'm just gonna say it again, does come 594 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,280 Speaker 1: down to resources. The window dressing might change, the brand 595 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: name might change, but if you open the box and 596 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: look inside, the conflicts are about who gets what material 597 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 1: And look, history is closer than it appears in the 598 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:07,479 Speaker 1: rear view mirror. The BACONI seem to have used these 599 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: structures all the way up into the eighteen thirties, which 600 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 1: is a long time for groups of people to live 601 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 1: in a single place, and they were abandoned during this 602 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 1: wave of catastrophic warfare and subsequent migration. So aside from 603 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 1: the house you mentioned, Matt and some other buildings in 604 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: a nearby town, people aren't living on this site today. 605 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 1: So that also makes it easier if you come along 606 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 1: in recent decades. That also makes it easier to kind 607 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 1: of put your own meaning on the site, right, to 608 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: lend your own spin in perspective, because it's not like 609 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: somebody's going to walk out of there and say, what 610 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: are you doing in my yard? Those people are long gone, 611 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 1: but still eighteen thirties, very very recent. And these things 612 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: are definitely old. But are they I don't think so. 613 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think so either. And we 614 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 1: should just point this out to a lot of the 615 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: recent interest in this or even let's say the most 616 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: fervent interest in this site only starts around nineteen, like 617 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: late nineteen forties, post World War Two. That's when a 618 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: lot of that's when a lot of historians, archaeologists are 619 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,919 Speaker 1: actually looking at this place, taking data, doing the hard 620 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,319 Speaker 1: science or doing the hard science that lends to the 621 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,240 Speaker 1: social science of you know, trying to understand what people's 622 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,840 Speaker 1: were here and why. Right, Yeah, agreed, And at this point, 623 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 1: none of those folks have found any hard proof that 624 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 1: extraterrestrials participated in this construction. What it seems to what 625 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:56,840 Speaker 1: it seems to be is ingenious human communities leveraging the knowledge, 626 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 1: the experience, and the tools they had access to at 627 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 1: the time to try to further ensure stability for their community. Right. 628 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: And we see that some of this construction can be 629 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 1: thought of as reaction to other pressures social pressures, resource pressures, etc. 630 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 1: But the more strange claims, even the name Adam's calendar. 631 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 1: The stuff it's based on is incredibly difficult to prove. 632 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: And that's not saying we know everything about these ruins. 633 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,280 Speaker 1: That's just saying that of the stuff we can prove 634 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,240 Speaker 1: at the time, it seems pretty clear that one camp, 635 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: the archaeologist, they seem to have the most supporting evidence 636 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: on their side. Now, if that changes, of course, we're 637 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,279 Speaker 1: going to be first to the mat as soon as 638 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 1: we can with an apology, which would be an exuberant 639 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 1: apology on our behalf, because we always wanted something like 640 00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 1: this to happen. But I want to believe man. But 641 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: we don't want to end it quite there. We're going 642 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 1: to pause for a word from our sponsors and will 643 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:14,319 Speaker 1: return with some pretty great, amazing news and news that 644 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: continues in the modern day. All Right, we're back, Matt. 645 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 1: We talked off air. We didn't want this to end 646 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 1: in a total downer and feel like we're just debunking everything. 647 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 1: These ruins are amazing. They are They are human built, 648 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 1: and even that fact is astonishing. The stuff people were 649 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 1: capable of when motivated. Think about it right now, if 650 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,879 Speaker 1: you wanted to go out and build a structure out 651 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,080 Speaker 1: of stone, that is going to house you and your 652 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,759 Speaker 1: family and all the cattle you're keeping, because you know, 653 00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:02,279 Speaker 1: you need food and milk and cheese and things like that. Cos, yeah, 654 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 1: you gotta have a place where you can plant all 655 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:08,399 Speaker 1: your food viably. H you know, build something like that, 656 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,240 Speaker 1: Build like move a bunch of stones, really heavy stones, 657 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 1: as you know, your base. And then even let's say 658 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,680 Speaker 1: you wanted to create something that might even be some 659 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,200 Speaker 1: kind of religious structure out of these big stones, how 660 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,080 Speaker 1: are you going to do it? Right now? How are 661 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,759 Speaker 1: you gonna do it? I couldn't. How are you going 662 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 1: to do it with you know what? For this thought experiment? 663 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,160 Speaker 1: With access to all the information you have? Yeah, you 664 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,040 Speaker 1: got everything you need, even you got your phone in 665 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 1: your hand. Are you still think you could do it? 666 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 1: I don't know? You know what? And you can ask 667 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 1: friends for help. M don't threaten anyone with pain of death, 668 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,720 Speaker 1: but you know, yeah, don't force them to do anything. 669 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:56,040 Speaker 1: But this, what we're saying is it's really yeah, it's 670 00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 1: really tough. And this becomes even and more fascinating when 671 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 1: we realize that these things are far from the only examples. 672 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:13,880 Speaker 1: There are genuinely mysterious ancient structures built to huge scales, 673 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 1: and some of them are so old that humanity is 674 00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 1: still not exactly sure when they were built. Just for 675 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,920 Speaker 1: the sake of time, let's let's look at Turkey. Turkey 676 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:31,840 Speaker 1: has great examples, Mesoamerica has great examples. The African continent, 677 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:37,680 Speaker 1: of course, there are so many amazing old things. Some 678 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,520 Speaker 1: of the oldest are places like bon Kuklu Tarla and 679 00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: pardon us not native Turkish speakers or go Beckley tepe. 680 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,200 Speaker 1: That's that's how I always hear him say it. You 681 00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,879 Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I know what you're 682 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 1: talking about, and so we'll say go Beckley, and local 683 00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 1: archaeologists estimate this Bonkuklu Tarla region may be as much 684 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,919 Speaker 1: as twelve thousand years old. Incredibly impressive. Yeah, it is, well. 685 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 1: And that's why when you're maybe first introduced to the 686 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:16,080 Speaker 1: ancient aliens concept and someone walks you through the construction 687 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:20,920 Speaker 1: of these things, the intricacies of the stone work often 688 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,879 Speaker 1: stuff that you can't figure out really on the top 689 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,240 Speaker 1: of your head unless you know you're a master stone worker, 690 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,200 Speaker 1: or something like how could you have done that? And 691 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,520 Speaker 1: even if you're a master stone worker, posing the question 692 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,959 Speaker 1: how could you have done that twelve thousand years ago? 693 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,480 Speaker 1: It seems to be as difficult as we've been describing 694 00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,799 Speaker 1: making one of these things in the modern day, right, 695 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,240 Speaker 1: it would be super difficult. Then it moves too nearly impossible, 696 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,319 Speaker 1: if not fully impossible to do twelve thousand years ago. 697 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,360 Speaker 1: And that's where the ancient aliens thing just goes, Oh yeah, dude, 698 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:59,240 Speaker 1: totally is lasers. And then you see the stories start 699 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:04,800 Speaker 1: to split, or the speculation diverges with various concepts or 700 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,520 Speaker 1: theories about why these architects are no longer around today 701 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,160 Speaker 1: or acknowledged to be around, you know, and there's a 702 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,520 Speaker 1: wide variety here. They're not all these theories agree with 703 00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,520 Speaker 1: each other, No, absolutely, absolutely. I just wanted to point 704 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,360 Speaker 1: out that concept of like why your brain goes to 705 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,360 Speaker 1: ancient alien theory and like starts to understand it and 706 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,799 Speaker 1: get excited about it. It really does undercut just the 707 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,000 Speaker 1: skill and intelligence of human beings that lived then in 708 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 1: those areas, right, And we just you gotta you kind 709 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,040 Speaker 1: of remember that when you when your mind takes you 710 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:46,759 Speaker 1: to that, oh fully lasers, you just remember it, right, 711 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,319 Speaker 1: Because then the other question is why why did so 712 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,799 Speaker 1: many buildings today not live up to those standards, right. 713 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,680 Speaker 1: But again, what we're seeing or the remnants we're seeing, 714 00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,640 Speaker 1: the things that survived thousands of ye just we could 715 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,600 Speaker 1: talk about them and go Beckley is something we covered 716 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,600 Speaker 1: in previous episodes. It's incredibly befuddling today. Believed to have 717 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:14,399 Speaker 1: been built somewhere between seventy five hundred to one thousand BC. 718 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 1: This means these structures date back to the Southwest Asian 719 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:24,320 Speaker 1: Neolithic period. As you can imagine, they are themselves subjects 720 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:29,560 Speaker 1: of numerous, numerous out their theories, and it's you know, 721 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,160 Speaker 1: to a degree, you have to make theories about this 722 00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,399 Speaker 1: stuff because you have to figure out the best way 723 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,759 Speaker 1: to research it and just have to be okay when 724 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,960 Speaker 1: those theories need to be revised. These things are the 725 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,800 Speaker 1: stories about these things rather are everything from last civilizations 726 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,720 Speaker 1: that one's true people have last civilizations in the past, 727 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,800 Speaker 1: to anjient aliens that one not so much, to sophisticated 728 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:56,200 Speaker 1: temple structures for some kind of now forgotten religion that 729 00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,160 Speaker 1: one remains unclear. People are still arguing about the temple 730 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,759 Speaker 1: thing now, well, it could be there's some researchers who 731 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,600 Speaker 1: believed it was influenced from ancient Indian cultures that came 732 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:11,760 Speaker 1: into Southern Africa, and then it was actually their religious 733 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,759 Speaker 1: influence that caused all of these stone structures, specifically in 734 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 1: the area of Adams Calendar and all of those structures. 735 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,800 Speaker 1: Like there are people who believe that and have written 736 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,640 Speaker 1: about that, which it I can't I can't tell you 737 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,120 Speaker 1: if it's true or not, but it doesn't appear to 738 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:34,719 Speaker 1: be as plausible as some of the other concepts, right, Yeah, 739 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,279 Speaker 1: we almost have to measure the daisy chain of if 740 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,080 Speaker 1: then's right or the what ifs, and see how far 741 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,239 Speaker 1: those branches go and how sturdy they remain when you 742 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,680 Speaker 1: get really out to the edges look just like the 743 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,000 Speaker 1: Adams Calendar site. These sites in Turkey are not guarded 744 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,560 Speaker 1: by top secret cadres. There aren't UFOs currently in the 745 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,520 Speaker 1: sky right now saying I hope no one figures this out. 746 00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,520 Speaker 1: Go Beckley is UNESCO World Heritage Site, and it has 747 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,560 Speaker 1: been once since twenty eighteen, which still very recently and 748 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:11,160 Speaker 1: has of twenty twenty one, one of the most recent 749 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,319 Speaker 1: estimates we could find on the site. In particular, all 750 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,600 Speaker 1: the experts agree that they have excavated less than five 751 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,839 Speaker 1: percent of that site. Wow, what else can be down there? 752 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:30,439 Speaker 1: We genuinely do not know, we being current civilization, And 753 00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,879 Speaker 1: that's where we end the episode. We don't know neither 754 00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,359 Speaker 1: to you, and you'll never find out. Buy No, I'm 755 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,799 Speaker 1: just true. Well, well there will be stuff to find out, right, 756 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,480 Speaker 1: because they're almost certainly more ancient sites out there waiting 757 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:48,920 Speaker 1: for humanity to discover what they're certainly human ancestors built 758 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:54,279 Speaker 1: all those millennia ago. Again, history is still happening. You 759 00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,440 Speaker 1: can go to found a neat little article on this 760 00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,240 Speaker 1: for the travel dot Com by Joshua I. Do And 761 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:08,200 Speaker 1: in this the author list out a bunch of new discoveries, 762 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,000 Speaker 1: some that are brand new places, some of their discoveries 763 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,200 Speaker 1: of on sites that have already been well known to 764 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,320 Speaker 1: humanity for a long time, like there's still news coming 765 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:23,480 Speaker 1: out about POMPEII all this time after that tragic eruption. 766 00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:30,000 Speaker 1: People are still digging in there and going, oh, holy smokes. Well, though, 767 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,280 Speaker 1: the one that's linked in this, at least that I'm seeing, 768 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:36,000 Speaker 1: been It's number seventeen on the list, and it is 769 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:41,600 Speaker 1: titled Golden City and lux Or, Egypt. It was buried 770 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,960 Speaker 1: under sand. It's three thousand years old. They got a 771 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,680 Speaker 1: lot of sand in Egypt. Also that slang, isn't it 772 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,839 Speaker 1: when you say someone's got a lot of sand, You've 773 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:55,560 Speaker 1: got a lot of sand coming in here? That is no. 774 00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,359 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it might be the I think 775 00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:02,040 Speaker 1: it might be on down to the intonation. Okay, but 776 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,280 Speaker 1: it does sound like, you know, you've got some nerve. 777 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:12,600 Speaker 1: You got a lot of sand, they said at the Pyramids, 778 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,839 Speaker 1: So so yeah. You can also see Roman shipwrecks are 779 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,000 Speaker 1: being discovered there. We learn more about the menu of 780 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:26,080 Speaker 1: a restaurant in ancient Pompeii. This stuff is fascinating. There's 781 00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:30,600 Speaker 1: news about the Dead Sea scrolls. What we're saying is 782 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,400 Speaker 1: this is a great time to be alive for any 783 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,000 Speaker 1: anybody who wants to learn more about the ancient past. 784 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,799 Speaker 1: There are still questions out there to be answered, and 785 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:48,279 Speaker 1: there are absolutely absolutely right now lost ancient structures that 786 00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,799 Speaker 1: will likely be found within your lifetime as you listen 787 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,440 Speaker 1: to this show. And that's where we want your help, folks. 788 00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,920 Speaker 1: What do you think what other ancient sites are out there? 789 00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,400 Speaker 1: How can we best separate rumors about them store worries 790 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,719 Speaker 1: that people have embellished in the Great Game of Telephone? 791 00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,080 Speaker 1: How can we separate that from the facts, and what 792 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,040 Speaker 1: can those facts tell us about the modern day? I 793 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,360 Speaker 1: want to know the strangest modern structure in your local 794 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:19,440 Speaker 1: area that you think is going to befuddle historians and 795 00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,279 Speaker 1: archaeologists in the future. Does that make sense? Yeah, I 796 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,759 Speaker 1: want to I would like to know that too, and 797 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,279 Speaker 1: we want pictures. Yeah, yeah, it always I think I 798 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,440 Speaker 1: mentioned this on air before, but I always think about 799 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,000 Speaker 1: that in cities. There's an example, right, You're driving through 800 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:40,480 Speaker 1: a city and you see all the bridges and roads 801 00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:45,160 Speaker 1: where interstates connect. Here in Atlanta, there's a place called 802 00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,480 Speaker 1: Spaghetti Junction. It's a fun name, and it's just the 803 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,080 Speaker 1: series of all these bridges crossing over. And whenever I 804 00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,960 Speaker 1: see stuff like that, I always like to think the 805 00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,640 Speaker 1: future historians. I just picture them walking around. Maybe they're robots, 806 00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,399 Speaker 1: maybe they're aliens, maybe the humanity two point zero. They're 807 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,960 Speaker 1: they're walking around and they're saying they're looking at the 808 00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:09,799 Speaker 1: remnants of skyscrapers and overpasses, and they're going we don't 809 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:15,680 Speaker 1: know much about these mysterious penis worshiping primitives, but we 810 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,439 Speaker 1: do know they made structures to their gods, and they 811 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:24,239 Speaker 1: were likely sustaining themselves based on a sophisticated network of 812 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,759 Speaker 1: aqueducts which go throughout this site, even directly to what 813 00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,640 Speaker 1: we believe were their dwellings. Woa. Yeah, and that's how 814 00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,120 Speaker 1: roads work. But now they're just they're pinching it as 815 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,000 Speaker 1: an aqueduct. So stuff like that, right, is that on 816 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:43,160 Speaker 1: the money? Yeah? Is it Chicago that has that big silvery, 817 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:48,120 Speaker 1: weird bean looking thing? That's yeah, Like what what are 818 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:53,200 Speaker 1: people going to think? That is? That's why religion is 819 00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:58,200 Speaker 1: so often the easiest explanation the being. People of the 820 00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:06,359 Speaker 1: early of the early Anthroposine would be known for their 821 00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:10,920 Speaker 1: intense neo agricultural belief system. Oh yes, So take your 822 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,520 Speaker 1: pictures and you know, come up with your your theory 823 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,239 Speaker 1: and your site and find us online. 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