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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to third Hour Clay An Buck. A destabilized Middle

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Speaker 2: East and a major war in Europe. These are the

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Speaker 2: two things that come to mind when asked the question,

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Speaker 2: how's Joe Biden doing as President? How's the whole leader

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Speaker 2: of the free world being going? Well, I think we're

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Speaker 2: all seeing it right now. We're seeing what it means

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Speaker 2: to have an administration that lacks competency, that lacks vision, and.

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Speaker 3: It could have.

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Speaker 2: Profoundly bad results, things that really affect millions and millions

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Speaker 2: of people abroad, and of course affect us here at

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Speaker 2: home in other ways. We are already funding to the

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Speaker 2: tune of hundreds of billions the Ukrainian fight against Russia.

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Speaker 2: Now we have an emergency appropriation underway for Israel. There's

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Speaker 2: also a lot of n from the very beginning well

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Speaker 2: as Israel. If Israel gets into a longer and more

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Speaker 2: protracted fight with Hamas this time around, then it has

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Speaker 2: in previous incursions. I don't want to get into some

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Speaker 2: of that. But first up, there's the other factor here,

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Speaker 2: and it is what happens if all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: we find ourselves once again in a fight against what

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Speaker 2: was formerly called the or a fight we formally called

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Speaker 2: the global War on terror. What if jihadism becomes something

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Speaker 2: that is a major threat here at home. This isn't

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Speaker 2: just some right wing talking point. It's not that conservatives

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Speaker 2: are looking for more ways to have people concerned under

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Speaker 2: Biden's leadership or during Biden's administration. There's plenty of that

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Speaker 2: to go around already. Here is the FBI Director Chris

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Speaker 2: Ray warning that we could well see HAMAS attacks here

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Speaker 2: on our own soil play fine.

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Speaker 4: On top of the homegrown violent extremists and domestic violent

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Speaker 4: extremists threat. We also cannot and do not discount the

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Speaker 4: possibility that HAMAS or another foreign terrorist organization may exploit

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Speaker 4: the current conflict to conduct a tax here on our

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Speaker 4: own soil. We have kept our sites on HAMAS and

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Speaker 4: have multiple ongoing investigations into individuals affiliated with that foreign

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Speaker 2: You know, Clay, there's a There are at least one

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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy two individuals on the terror watch list

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Speaker 2: who have been encountered trying to enter the US in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. That's more than the previous six years.

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Speaker 2: We've seen, so there is based on the numbers, cause

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Speaker 2: for concern, and that's with I think it's like six

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand got aways now, which are people. They have

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Speaker 2: no idea who that they just they got into the country,

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Speaker 2: never even stopped to check in with border patrol or anything.

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Speaker 2: They just made it into the US. So we have

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Speaker 2: no idea who they who those individuals are. It's not

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Speaker 2: surprising that this border has allowed for that level of infiltration.

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Speaker 2: And I think the look the FBI directors saying this

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Speaker 2: a little bit as a cover their own you know,

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Speaker 2: cover their own behind if you will, over in the

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Speaker 2: intelligence world. And you know you've got the New York

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Speaker 2: Times also writing that that basically the America stopped the

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Speaker 2: American Intelligence COMMUNITEE stopped collecting on hamas after nine to eleven.

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Speaker 2: So you know, we don't have much when it comes

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Speaker 5: Remember when the FBI was telling us that the real

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Speaker 5: threat to America was parents at school board meetings.

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Speaker 3: I'm stay scared about those parents. Some of them raised

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Speaker 5: It was one of those parents who raised their voices

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Speaker 5: at school board meetings. Remember when the FBI was telling

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Speaker 5: us that right wing extremism was the biggest threat that

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Speaker 5: Why I get so frustrated with much of the American

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Speaker 5: security apparatus, because it's not based in truth. It's based

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Speaker 5: in narrative, and on some level, the idea that a

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Speaker 5: to somehow bring a great threat to the United States government,

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Speaker 5: by which I mean this. Joe Biden, since he came

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Speaker 5: has been referring to Maga extremism, people who are marching

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Speaker 5: and glory to our martyrs and things like that. What

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Speaker 5: he called them extremists, and Karine Jean Pierre refused to

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Speaker 5: you really care about extremism in any way. And this

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Speaker 5: and you know this, Buck and this is what's also

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Speaker 5: ever worked in any sort of government capacity, But I

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Speaker 5: right wing maga extremist, well, you can try to put together,

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Speaker 5: like the FBI clearly did a plot to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer,

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Speaker 5: you can find a couple of people that are gullible,

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Speaker 5: the muscle and the impetus behind their organizing principle. And

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Speaker 5: so it's clear where real threats come from, and they

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Speaker 5: were never coming from January sixth protesters. They were never

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Speaker 5: diehard Donald Trump supporters. That doesn't mean that a diehard

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Speaker 5: I wish that didn't happen, but there are crazy people

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Speaker 5: of all political persuasions. But this idea that there was

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Speaker 5: government and we should all be terrified of it, or

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Speaker 5: that there were existential threats to our democracy that are ingrown.

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Speaker 5: I'm not concerned at all about that. I think I'm

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Speaker 5: like most Americans looking around the world, afraid sometimes to

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Speaker 5: broken out when you leave your phone for twenty minutes

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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of World War three, you have two areas

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Speaker 2: of conflict that have the possibility of rapidly expanding. In

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Speaker 2: the case of Russia, it would be escalation to involve

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Speaker 2: some kind of tactical nuclear strike. By the way, I

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Speaker 2: is something that people are aware of. And then you

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Speaker 2: also have perhaps a more likely escalation possibility in the

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Speaker 2: Middle East of direct confrontation with Iran. Iran making all

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Speaker 2: kinds of public pronouncements about how they will not just

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Speaker 2: Israel is going to do in Gaza. Right, So that's

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Speaker 2: all going on. But on the US side of things,

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Speaker 2: we now have this effort by the Biden regime to

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Speaker 2: Ukraine and Israel. So now it's you can't just say, oh,

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Speaker 2: I support Israel in its war against the barbarism of Hamas.

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Speaker 3: It's oh, we're gonna.

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Speaker 2: Send Israel help and we're sending Ukraine help at the

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Speaker 2: same time.

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Speaker 3: You can't just do one or the other. You got

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Speaker 2: And here is the Secretary of Defense, Lloyd Austin, speaking

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Speaker 2: to this issue Play six.

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Speaker 7: What happens in Ukraine and what happens in Israel matters

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Speaker 7: not to just Ukraine and Israel. It matters to us.

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Speaker 7: It affects our national security as well. We also have

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Speaker 7: to remind ourselves that these countries are in a fight.

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Speaker 7: They're fighting every day, and there are people dying every day.

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Speaker 7: And in Ukraine Putin continues to attack civilians and commit

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Speaker 7: war crimes that are despicable. I think it's important to

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Speaker 7: do what's necessary to support Ukraine and Israel and to

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Speaker 7: help them defend their sovereign territory. And so I think

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Speaker 7: this is very important that we provide the support, and

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Speaker 7: it's important that we provide the support.

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Speaker 2: Now, Ukraine and Israel are not the same fight, it's

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Speaker 2: not the same thing, and the conflation of the two

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Speaker 2: I think is something people.

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Speaker 3: Should should be very wary of.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a way to bully people into going

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Speaker 2: along with an aid package that's going to again have

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Speaker 2: basically no oversight, and you know who knows in the

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Speaker 2: Secretary of Austin play in the same remarks, we don't

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Speaker 2: actually have this, but he says basically, if if Ukraine falls,

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Speaker 2: and I'm saying, no, the whole point that's not true,

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Speaker 2: and they keep saying this. The whole point of NATO

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Speaker 3: So Ukraine is not a NATO country. Okay, Ukraine was

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Speaker 2: It was like the Budapest Memorandum, and it was supposed

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Speaker 2: what happened. This this storyline that all the dominoes fall.

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Speaker 2: Look at the amount of trouble Russia's having fighting Ukraine

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Speaker 2: it's gonna take on all of NATO. That that's what

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Speaker 2: we're supposing. If we don't back Ukraine endlessly with an

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Speaker 2: a Russia that is in a stalemate with Ukraine alone.

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Speaker 3: I just don't think that's true. It's it's dishonest.

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Speaker 5: And if we need to link Israel and Ukraine and

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Speaker 5: world war. This is important, I think for everybody out

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Speaker 5: there to understand. If we are saying Israel, Ukraine, and Taiwan,

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Speaker 5: a world war because effectively, what you're arguing by linking

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Speaker 5: that's fine. This is where I think Mike Mike Johnson,

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Speaker 5: the new Speaker of the House, has done a good job.

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Speaker 5: He is saying in the House we're going to do

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Speaker 5: Israel first. We'll have a vote on that. We're going

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Speaker 5: to try to offset the cost of Israel by taking

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Speaker 5: back some of the money that we gave to the Irs.

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Speaker 5: We'll see if we can get that passed. At some

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Speaker 5: But this is where people get really frustrated.

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Speaker 3: Buck.

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Speaker 5: I think on the uniparty concept, if Mitch McConnell agrees

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Speaker 5: with the Biden administration, what is he there for?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what would you say you do here, Mitch? That's

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Speaker 2: go along with the uniparty. But on just the Ukraine

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Speaker 2: and Israel are the same kind of fight, the same

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Speaker 2: kind of you know, defensive sovereign territory. Again, Russia's is

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Speaker 2: an aggressor. Russia's fighting a war of conquest. I understand that.

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Speaker 2: I don't quibble with that. Russia wants to make Ukraine

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Speaker 2: and the Ukrainians part of the Russian Federation.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 2: Russia took Crimea, for example, through referendum. You could say

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Speaker 2: it was an unfair referendum whatever, but it took it

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Speaker 2: through referendum. It is not fighting a war of extermination

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Speaker 2: against the Ukrainian like, the point of it is not

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Speaker 2: to have an ethnic cleansing of all Ukrainians out of Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: Russia's fighting a territory, a war of territorial conquest. Hamas

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Speaker 2: wants to kill all of the Jewish people and to

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Speaker 2: So comparing these things or saying these are similar fights,

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Speaker 2: I just think that there's a tremendous amount of well,

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Speaker 2: I would say, intentional intellectual sloppiness about this, so that

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Speaker 3: These are different conflicts.

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Speaker 2: We're now joined by Alan Dershowitz, law professor and attorney.

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Speaker 2: Can we start? We have some legal we have some

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Speaker 3: How did it get to this point?

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Speaker 6: It got to this point because professors administrators at collegees

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Speaker 5: Buck and I have been discussing what the lingering impact

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Speaker 6: Oh, I think that's definitely happening. Now do they have

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Speaker 6: we're not talking about supporting the Palestinians. We're talking about

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Speaker 6: the Palestinians, namely Hams. Hamas killed the Palestinian leaders, engaged

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Speaker 6: they're anti Semitic, anti Israel demonstrations. I document that in

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Speaker 2: We're speaking to Professor Alan Derschwitz's book coming out, Warwork City.

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Speaker 2: He has multiple federal criminal trials outstanding. What have you

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Speaker 6: Yes, and there'll be a conviction. They couldn't have gotten

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Speaker 6: a better venue for a jury. Ninety five percent the

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Speaker 6: will be a conviction without a doubt. You know, they

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Speaker 6: This is election interference. This is an attempt to try

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Speaker 6: to influence the election. But I'm not a Trump supporter.

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Speaker 6: I have a constitutional right to vote against Trump, as

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Speaker 6: many of your listeners have a constitutional right to vote

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Speaker 6: for him or against him. But I want a fair election.

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Speaker 6: I don't want election with a thumb of the Justice

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Speaker 6: We don't have the Justice Department or Secretaries of State

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Speaker 5: you think they'd be willing to do it? How would you?

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Speaker 5: I know you're talking about banana republics here me. That's

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Speaker 6: I agree with you and I think that cooler minds

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Speaker 6: not going to jail until after the election. If he's defeated,

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Speaker 6: it's possible he would go to jail even if he's elected.

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Speaker 6: You have two state cases, New York and Georgia, and

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Speaker 6: the president can't grant the parton in state cases, and

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Speaker 6: Georgia has mandatory prison term. So it's conceivable, but it's

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Speaker 6: unlikely that a person could be elected president of the

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Speaker 6: United States and also be sentenced to prison. You know,

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Speaker 6: we did have a mayor of Boston who was serving time.

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Speaker 6: We had Eugene V. Debs and ran for president in

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Speaker 6: nineteen twenty I think who was a jail for opposing

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Speaker 6: the war the First World War. So anything's possible, but

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Speaker 6: I think it's unlikely. I think the likeliest result is

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Speaker 6: we'll see two, perhaps three convictions no jail pending appeal,

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Speaker 6: and the convictions will be reversed an appeal after the election.

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Speaker 6: But the convictions may themselves influence the election and give

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Speaker 6: rise to new claims that our election system is unfair.

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Speaker 5: So you are standing on principle. I give you a

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Speaker 5: lot of credit for this, even though you say you're

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Speaker 5: not a Trump supporter. I don't know if you know

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Speaker 5: Attorney General Merrick Garland very well.

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Speaker 6: Not very well.

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Speaker 5: No, okay, how do you think he sleeps at night?

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, I thought he slept very well. As

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Speaker 6: a judge, he was.

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Speaker 8: A very good judge, and I actually supported his nomination

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Speaker 8: at the Supreme Court. I think he he has had

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Speaker 8: a very difficult time maneuvering between the political aspects of

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Speaker 8: his office. He's, after all, the.

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Speaker 6: Cabinet member supposed to advise the president in every aspect

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Speaker 6: of his presidency, including.

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Speaker 8: Getting re elected.

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Speaker 6: At the same time he's the chief law enforcement officer.

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Speaker 6: It's an impossible high wire act to manage. And so

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Speaker 6: I think, you know, I don't give him very high

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Speaker 6: grades on that. He should have immediately appointed a special

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Speaker 6: prosecutor to investigate President Biden. Myself don't think Biden's guilty,

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Speaker 6: but there's enough there to cause an investigation. And right

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Speaker 6: now the only investigation in Biden is for his possession

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Speaker 6: of classified material, but there ought to be if there's

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Speaker 6: a special council investigating Trump as there was resulted in

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Speaker 6: an indictment two indictments. There should also have been a

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Speaker 6: special council to investigate Biden's dealing in dealings in Ukraine

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Speaker 6: and his dealings with his son.

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Speaker 5: buck I also wanted to play because I think I

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Speaker 5: said that I would The audio of Ron DeSantis getting

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Speaker 5: confronted about Nicky Haley.

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Speaker 3: Remember, we've basically.

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Speaker 5: Got a three way race right now, Trump, DeSantis, Haley,

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Speaker 5: and the question is who's going to be the final

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Speaker 5: combatant to go head to head with Trump. Here is

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Speaker 5: Nil Cavudo interviewing Ron DeSantis asking about Nicki Haley.

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Speaker 9: Nicky Haley has emerged as a strong polling favorite. She's

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Speaker 9: tied with you in Iowa, and that has come really

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Speaker 9: following her very tough talk on not only supporting Israel

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Speaker 9: and Ukraine, but backing them both up with the money

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Speaker 9: they need and not debating the issue. Now, do you

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Speaker 9: fear you're kind of threading the needle on this is

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Speaker 9: hurting you? That she's clear, you're not, She's gaining You're not.

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Speaker 10: Well, Actually, I've been much clearer on Israel I mean,

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Speaker 10: I said from the beginning, no Gaza refugees. You know,

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Speaker 10: she said that America has been able to separate terrorists

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Speaker 10: from freedom fighters, and that's what we have to do.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 10: She backtracked on that, but I've been very clear.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So that is just a subplot. Everybody's talking about

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Speaker 5: Trump versus the field. The battle for second is also

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Speaker 5: out there, is consequential, and I really think that I

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Speaker 5: don't know whether I buy into it, but the Desantus

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Speaker 5: team is convinced they can beat Trump in Iowa, and well,

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Speaker 5: if that were to happen, then everything changes, right, But

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Speaker 5: I don't know that I have numbers there.

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Speaker 2: That's the only shot to really change the momentum that

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Speaker 2: they have, and I think a lot of people think

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Speaker 2: it's a long shot at best right now. But the

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Speaker 2: air of Trumpian electoral invincibility would would change. If you

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Speaker 2: had a Dysantis victory in Iowa. A lot of folks

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Speaker 2: would say, hold on a second. Ted Cruz won Iowa

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Speaker 2: back in twenty sixteen, which we certainly remember. It's not

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Speaker 2: to say that it's a given, it's just okay, it

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Speaker 2: would seem like more of a fight. Trump was always ahead,

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Speaker 2: but you know, there were points where the gap with

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Speaker 2: if you were to look at Rubio and Cruise's numbers together,

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Speaker 2: for example, would have been pretty you know, it would

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Speaker 2: have been competitive with with Trump, whereas we've seen nothing

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Speaker 2: right now, no movement, no movement, nothing competitive at all.

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Speaker 2: So it's really a question of if Iowa were to

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Speaker 2: go DeSantis's way, and I certainly think that Desanta's team

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Speaker 2: is confident they can do that. Because it's funny every

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Speaker 2: every time there's a Iowa caucuses, everyone who works at politics,

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Speaker 2: they won't tell you this, but they're all like googling

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Speaker 2: Iowa CAUCUSUS and be like.

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Speaker 3: Wait, how does this work?

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Speaker 8: Again?

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Speaker 2: You like hang out in a room and you talk

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Speaker 2: and you vote, and you go to another room and

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Speaker 2: there's a I mean, most people have absolutely no idea

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Speaker 2: how the Iowa car and I'm not gonna tell like

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Speaker 2: I'm an expert in it. But it's a different thing

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Speaker 2: than just showing up and voting. And so ground organization

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Speaker 2: and focus on Iowa and focus on the caucuses makes

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Speaker 2: a big difference. So if they're able to win that,

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Speaker 2: maybe then things start to change for them. Going into

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Speaker 2: New Hampshire, maybe you start to see that movement and

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Speaker 2: momentum in politics is very powerful.

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Speaker 5: And to speak on the Iowa caucus, it's cold, it's

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Speaker 5: go outside and do anything as hard. So you're talking

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Speaker 5: about the diehards of the diehards that are going to

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Speaker 5: show up. And the reason why I bring it up

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Speaker 5: is Ted Cruz at this point in the twenty sixteen

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Speaker 5: race was at ten percent in Iowa. Both Nikki Hayley

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Speaker 5: and Ron DeSantis, according to the most recent Iowa poll,

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Speaker 5: are ahead of where Ted Cruz was at this point

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Speaker 5: in time, and he ended up winning. Now, if I

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Speaker 5: recall correctly, Buck, it took him like two weeks to

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Speaker 5: figure out who won the caucus, didn't it, But we

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Speaker 5: didn't even really.

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Speaker 3: Know for sure.

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Speaker 5: I thought, remember correctly that Ted Cruz won Iowa until

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Speaker 5: proverbial massive bump for Ted Cruz because there was an

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Speaker 5: uncertainty surrounding who had actually won the Iowa caucuses. But

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Speaker 5: I think at this point anything other than Trump, DeSantis,

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Speaker 5: Nicki Haley as the top three coming out of Iowa

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Speaker 5: would would be a surprise.

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Speaker 2: And honestly, yeah, I was just saying I think that

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Speaker 2: I misread a little bit in the last debate. I

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Speaker 2: thought Nicky Haley was super aggressive, and remember she got

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Speaker 2: she was very you know, she basically said that the

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Speaker 3: The veke has has fizzled.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he's done, he had his moment and it's gone,

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Speaker 2: and Nicki Haley has served. So I thought I saw that,

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Speaker 2: and and my my sense was voters won't like that,

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Speaker 2: like it, or something else about Nicky Haley became more

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Speaker 2: appealing to them because she has been the biggest beneficiary

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Speaker 2: numbers wise since the last debate. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: if you're Trump, you'll love Nicky Haley and Rod DeSantis

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Speaker 5: Because the longer they throw punches at each other, the

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Speaker 5: So it's interesting there's almost as much of a battle

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Speaker 5: now for second as there is to take on Trump,

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Speaker 5: with the idea being whoever is left is going to

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Speaker 5: be able to go head to head with Trump. Now

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Speaker 5: would that matter? That's the big conversation. That's the question,

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Speaker 5: does the math add up? Is Trump's lead vulnerable or

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Speaker 5: does he have over fifty percent no matter who he

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Speaker 5: question of whether or not we even still have a race.

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Speaker 2: Right Well, it's gonna tell us whether we have a

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Speaker 2: primary that is really a contest or not. And now

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Speaker 2: I think some people want to see a fight. I

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Speaker 2: think you can make the argument that even if Trump

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Speaker 2: is your person and is the eventual nominee, having to

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Speaker 2: sweat it out a little more in the primaries might

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Speaker 2: hone the campaign a bit, But other people would say, no,

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Speaker 2: you're wasting time and money. So the good news play

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Speaker 2: is that there are a lot of opinions out there,

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Speaker 2: for having