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Speaker 1: They're always playing politics with their moralizing and their grandstanding

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Speaker 1: The Clinton's are hugging him, and the the Obama's love him.

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Speaker 1: And don't be fooled, as I know you're not for

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back, all right, everybody, welcome back. We've

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Speaker 1: been talking about the next steps in the Trump agenda.

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Speaker 1: What's gonna happen on taxes, immigration, and a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: a whole lot of light on what all of those

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Speaker 1: issues will well, what will happen with them, and what

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Speaker 1: we can expect going forward. We've got Laura Ingram on

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Speaker 1: the line. She's a talk radio host and best selling author.

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Speaker 1: As many of you know, she has a brand new

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Speaker 1: show debuting on a Fox News channel this month called

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Speaker 1: The Ingram Angle. It debuts the week of October thirty

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Speaker 1: on the Fox News Channel. Very exciting. Congratulations Laura. She's

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Speaker 1: also the author of Billionaire at the Barricades, a book

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Speaker 1: coming out shortly on the populous revolution from reggae to Trump. Laura,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for calling in. Thanks Bock. The

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Speaker 1: book is just out and it's trying to I try

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Speaker 1: to frame what's going on in politics, both on the

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Speaker 1: domestic and international front. You know, it's laced was kind

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Speaker 1: And I thought it was time that we kind of

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Speaker 1: tumultuous time. It didn't come out of a vacuum. That

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Speaker 1: people of this country, the people I came from. You know,

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Speaker 1: you're you're one of the few people, Laura, who has

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Speaker 1: phenomenon really early. I want to move to what the

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Speaker 1: next steps will be on some of the issues I raised.

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Speaker 1: But first, just tell me how did you know? What

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Speaker 1: was it that you saw? Well, I was in Leesburg,

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Speaker 1: Virginia fairground waiting from like six pm to midnight when

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump finally showed up. It was his last stop

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Speaker 1: on this tour that was going to end the campaign.

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Speaker 1: And I looked at these lights in the woods, like

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Speaker 1: about I don't know people could get into the pavilion

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Speaker 1: And you've got the sense that they thought this was

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Speaker 1: in This guy who had no political experience, was kind

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Speaker 1: They were there because they wanted they wanted to tell

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Speaker 1: We're not dead yet. We're still fighting for ourselves ourselves

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Speaker 1: and that's that. That night I kind of said, Okay,

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Speaker 1: he is gonna win. And like when he landed at midnight,

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Speaker 1: Like it's really funny, because of course he was three

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Speaker 1: hours late. I said, very funny. He said, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: win this, and I said, do you don't even know

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Speaker 1: what state you're in. He said, well, I think we're

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Speaker 1: in Virginia. He said, we're going to win this election.

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Speaker 1: And by goal he did, and it was, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's the working class people who turned out to vote

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Speaker 1: for Reagan, Democrats and Republicans. That was the same spirit

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Speaker 1: so it was that sensibility that I saw ignored by sadly,

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Speaker 1: the Bushes and the Obama's and the clintess who played

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Speaker 1: who played big government politics from both the rights and left,

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Speaker 1: and the middle class was left out of the success

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Speaker 1: and the and the prosperity. And they're tired of it.

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Speaker 1: And Trump was their voice speaking Laura Ingraham. She's the

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Speaker 1: author of Billionaire at the Barricades. Also, her new show

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Speaker 1: on Fox News is debuting the week of October, The

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Speaker 1: Ingraham Angle. Uh, Laura, how would you assess what's I

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Speaker 1: know that you're constantly assessing writing and radio and TV.

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Speaker 1: How would you what is your your summary, your executive

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Speaker 1: summary of how Trump has done so far this year?

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Speaker 1: I think the barricades that I wrote about in the

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Speaker 1: they don't much like anyone coming in to disrupt it.

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Speaker 1: They certainly don't want to be exposed. And Trump kind

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Speaker 1: of holds up the mirror, whether it's to someone like

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Speaker 1: a Bob Corker or Mitch McConnell or at times Linda Graham,

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Speaker 1: don't like that. They want to keep things going just

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Speaker 1: has that barricade to clear. Of course, the media wants

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Speaker 1: him out that he embarrassed them in the campaign. He

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Speaker 1: forgave him for that, So they want him out. I

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Speaker 1: want to ask you about the the big items on

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Speaker 1: that are forthcoming. But real quick, Bob Corker, what's going

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Speaker 1: on there? Laura Well, Corker represents the old establishment he's

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Speaker 1: a Bush Republican. He believes in uh, you know, a

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Speaker 1: he didn't like. He's not like Trump, where Trump says, okay,

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Speaker 1: you have a trade deal, and let's now re examine

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Speaker 1: how it's worked for the average person. Bob Corker believes

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Speaker 1: that if if the word trade is involved, you just

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Speaker 1: have to sign it. And that again that that vision

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Speaker 1: have been de industrialized by bad trade deal. So Corker

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Speaker 1: on that that issue has been a disaster. On foreign policy,

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Speaker 1: he was Ben Cardon from Maryland Democrats, where the two

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Speaker 1: and and I agree with Trump that that was, you know,

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Speaker 1: a terrible deal. It continues to be something that vexus

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Speaker 1: us and will probably you don't have to deal with it,

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Speaker 1: you know in the next you know, three or four years.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure, I sure go ahead. So well, this course

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Speaker 1: Corker represents the old guard. The old guard's not happy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if Bob Corker wants to win the debate,

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Speaker 1: why is he retiring. He's going out stracing Trump because

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Speaker 1: for all of his complaints that Donald Trump is Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump's it's like daycare at the White House. If Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is so stupid, then how did he beat all

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Speaker 1: these people? Yeah? If he's dumb and it is juvenile,

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Speaker 1: as they say, how did all the smart people get

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Speaker 1: their butts whipped in the election? How did that happen?

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Speaker 1: I'm troubled by all these people who are from the establishment,

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Speaker 1: who seemed to be legacy hunting in their latter years

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Speaker 1: if only, if only Bob Corker spoke as as vehemently

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. I mean, I've never heard Bob Corker or

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Speaker 1: John McCain hit the Obama almas of the Clintons as

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Speaker 1: hard as they're hitting Trump. That's what this book is about. It.

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Speaker 1: This book again puts a frame around this entire Debate's

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Speaker 1: not left right so much anymore, It really isn't. It's

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Speaker 1: really the globalist versus a nationalist. Do you believe in

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Speaker 1: that the average person should have more control and power

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Speaker 1: or they do you believe the international, far flung bureaucracies

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Speaker 1: and big government should really run the lives of the

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Speaker 1: average American. I I trust the average American. I think

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Speaker 1: that their common sense and they're they're straight talk is

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Speaker 1: frankly refreshing in in an era of of political correctness

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Speaker 1: So that's that's where I think the juices and politics

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Speaker 1: not only in the United States, but frankly worldwide. We're

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Speaker 1: speaking to Laura Ingraham, author of Billionaire at the Barricades,

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Speaker 1: out now on Amazon dot com and find bookstores all

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Speaker 1: across the country. Laura, one more wks. I know you

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Speaker 1: gotta run and go to TV, but just real quick,

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Speaker 1: it's about putting wins up on the board as well

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Speaker 1: as stopping the Democrats big government agenda that requires uh

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Speaker 1: Congress to do something. Is it gonna be tax reform?

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Speaker 1: What is going to be the first part of the

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Speaker 1: Trump agenda that gets through beyond just what Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: himself can't accomplish. Well, this is this is the rub

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Speaker 1: isn't it I mean, the party is still run by

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Speaker 1: the establishment forces. You don't have enough populace to really

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Speaker 1: push through the Trump agenda, so he can't be enemies

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Speaker 1: with everybody. You have to have some allies. So that's

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Speaker 1: where I think Trump sometimes gets over a skis to

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Speaker 1: use a tired old analogy. You do need to have

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Speaker 1: some establishment people work with you, and that means on occasion,

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Speaker 1: you know, you kind of have to stroke the egos

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Speaker 1: of these people. It's as unpleasant as it is, so

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be difficult. But look, if the Republicans think

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Speaker 1: they can just continue to do politics as usual and

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Speaker 1: then go to the voters in and said elect me,

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Speaker 1: elect me, I mean I think they're gonna go in

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Speaker 1: for a route awakening. I don't think most people are

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Speaker 1: gonna be blay him Trump for a Republican Congress that

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Speaker 1: can't get it back together. I mean, just his presidency

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Speaker 1: has happened with a bunch of dregulatory moves and the market.

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Speaker 1: They said the market was gonna crash. Remember all those

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Speaker 1: predictions the market was going to crash, the global economy

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Speaker 1: was gonna tank because Donald Trump at the protectionist season,

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Speaker 1: isolationists at a well new article today that the global

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Speaker 1: economy is going to have a raging period of strong growth,

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Speaker 1: with the exception of maybe Great Britain and Russia. So

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Speaker 1: so so so much for the elites predictions of dire,

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Speaker 1: bloom and doom under a Trump presidency. Laura Ingraham is

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Speaker 1: the author of Billionaire at the Barricade. Check it out,

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Speaker 1: everybody and later later this month. The week of October thirty,

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Speaker 1: the Ingraham Angle at ten eastern on the Fox News Channel. Laura,

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Speaker 1: great to have you. Thanks for making the time. Buck

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Speaker 1: is the best. Come on the show, Love too, anytime.

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Speaker 1: Talk to you soon, right, it sounds great. Take care, team,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna roll into a break here. We'll be back

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Speaker 1: in just a few alright, team, welcome back. There was

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Speaker 1: a lot of talk this weekend about the NFL. I

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Speaker 1: can tell you that I did not watch a single

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Speaker 1: minute of a single game. I was reading up on

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Speaker 1: my man Christopher Columbus, whom I will be telling you

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Speaker 1: some things later on in the show that about whom

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Speaker 1: I should say. I'll be telling you things I don't

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Speaker 1: think you will have heard elsewhere, at least some of it.

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping. I did not watch any NFL yesterday. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: the vice president walk out of a Colts game at

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Speaker 1: the very beginning when there were some folks taking a knee.

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Speaker 1: And then there's an ESPN reporter who was once again

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Speaker 1: in the headlines for her role in all of this.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn into our friend Tyrone here in the

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Speaker 1: Freedom hund to tell me what the heck is going on?

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Speaker 1: Tie as always my friend, thank you, thank you. So

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Speaker 1: what what? What? First off? So Colts game, Pence left?

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Speaker 1: How well what happened? Well, it was a Pence there

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Speaker 1: was a Cults forty Niners game. That's the big thing.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't just a Cults game. The forts of any

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Speaker 1: team that's going to definitely kneel, it's always the forty

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Speaker 1: Niners because we forget sometimes all politics are local in

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Speaker 1: Dallas and we'll get to the jam Jamal Hill thing

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Speaker 1: in just a second. In Dallas, the flag thing, it's

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Speaker 1: very clear, very clear. In San Francisco. We know the

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Speaker 1: liberals out there, it's not as clear there are players

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Speaker 1: who are actually profiting from kneeling out in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: Really interesting, Yeah, Bay Area, I mean there's they're they're

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Speaker 1: practically commies out there, right, So Mike Pence, vice president,

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Speaker 1: decided to go to this game and get disgusted. The

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Speaker 1: issue I have is, and we've heard the conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying necessarily was just a stunt. What I

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Speaker 1: am saying it would be impossible for anyone advising him

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Speaker 1: to not warn him that San Francisco was those players

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Speaker 1: were definitely going to meet. Isn't It also possible, though,

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Speaker 1: that the vice president was giving the players the benefit

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Speaker 1: of the doubt that they would have heard the American

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Speaker 1: people on this one and would choose not to kneel.

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Speaker 1: The Colts players did not, and around the leak it

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Speaker 1: was the number was down to six. Pre SLB comment

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Speaker 1: went up over two hundred. Now we're back outside of

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Speaker 1: the San Francisco. I think the numbers like five, and

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Speaker 1: the whole league got a thirty two team. So this is,

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Speaker 1: like what you're telling me is for those who haven't

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Speaker 1: been paying very close attention to this, because I think

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Speaker 1: you'd have to really get all this that, Uh, the

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Speaker 1: forty nine owners are I mean, for Kaepernack and for

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Speaker 1: obviously they are the epicenter of the kneeling phenomenon, so

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Speaker 1: more than any other team, they're the team where that's

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Speaker 1: gonna happen. Absolutely, I think the most. The second most

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Speaker 1: twenty and a bunch of players remembers thirty two teams.

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Speaker 1: Outside of the three for Miami and the twenty for

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Speaker 1: San Francisco, I think only two other players kneeled or

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Speaker 1: National Football League. So it's very it's very minimal at

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Speaker 1: this point the number of players that are still doing right.

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Speaker 1: It's returning to the pre uproar levels, which is for

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Speaker 1: a lot of people. I think you could ignore it.

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Speaker 1: If two or three players do this, it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: that's probably a bad idea, and the owner can find

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Speaker 1: them or not find them, but it doesn't have quite

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Speaker 1: the same impact. Obviously. It's dude, I still disagree with that,

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Speaker 1: but it's not two hundred players. Is the NFL's toast right,

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Speaker 1: and that has reversed And that brings us to the

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Speaker 1: next part. Tell me about your Jamale Hill. So Jamal Hill,

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Speaker 1: be Jamal pardon me? No? Uh. Jerry Jones said, if

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Speaker 1: you disrespect the flag your bench do, you won't play.

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Speaker 1: He comes out and says and Jamal Hill says, well,

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Speaker 1: if you don't like this on on Twitter, the only

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Speaker 1: way to get to them is to attack their advertisers

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Speaker 1: talking about the Dallas Cowboys. Now, because of her previous indiscretions,

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Speaker 1: let's say, well, which was what again, I've actually forgotten.

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Speaker 1: I know that she was she called Trump a white supremacist.

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Speaker 1: So because of that previous indiscretion, she was warned not

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Speaker 1: that's not why why she was suspended. She's now suspended

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Speaker 1: for two weeks. The reason is some of the advertisers

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Speaker 1: that advertise for America's team also advertised on ESPN. You

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Speaker 1: do not mess with the advertisers. And that is why

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Speaker 1: she's now suspended for two weeks. And and a lot

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Speaker 1: of people are now saying they're gonna boycotty ESPN, blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah. ESPN doesn't care, and I can explain to

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Speaker 1: you why. But this was bad on her part. You

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Speaker 1: cannot go after the affect. That is an iron as

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Speaker 1: an ironclad rule in the media business across the board.

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Speaker 1: You go after the resources, the money for entity like

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Speaker 1: ESPN or anything like that, you're gonna get into trouble. Now.

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Speaker 1: Usually in most contracts, the most media contracts, actually, there

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Speaker 1: are morality clauses about, you know, you can't be caught

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Speaker 1: with five hookers on a d u y, you know

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Speaker 1: covered in heroin, doesn't matter how valuable you are to

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Speaker 1: the company. There's also oftentimes an advertiser specific you cannot

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Speaker 1: disparage Maligne undermine our sponsors, because that's how you make

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Speaker 1: a living. Absolutely, and she later sent They tweet out

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Speaker 1: clarifying saying I'm not calling for a boycott. But no

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Speaker 1: one ever sees the response, just like no one ever

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Speaker 1: sees the retraction. The original is always bad enough. And

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Speaker 1: that's the one that got the retweets, in the favorites,

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Speaker 1: and most likely a call from Jerry Jones, the most

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Speaker 1: pop powerful sports figure in all of America. So Jerry

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Speaker 1: Jones has said if you if you take a need

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Speaker 1: during the anthem, you're benched. He did he because originally

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Speaker 1: and I think they're allowed to lock arms. He's he's

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Speaker 1: His statement was if you disrespect the flag, So what

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Speaker 1: does that mean? That's all of a relative thing, all right,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think that's ah that's a situation that

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't think that this this kneeling thing

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Speaker 1: is gonna keep going that much longer in terms of

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Speaker 1: the public interest here, if you're telling me it went

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Speaker 1: dozen guys kneeling, probably probably gonna go away. And the

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Speaker 1: things complaints have actually worked in a positive way, and

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Speaker 1: that a number of teams now actually have leadership councils

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Speaker 1: that are meeting with law enforcement, that are open to

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Speaker 1: the public, town halls and things like that actually forwarding

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Speaker 1: the agenda. I know locally, from my my favorite team

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Speaker 1: to Philadelphia Eagles, Malcolm Jenkins has been all over the place.

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Speaker 1: He's been on Fox, buten on CNN, but on every network.

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Speaker 1: He's been pushing for this. So there's actually been some

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Speaker 1: constructive means that came from all of this. So it

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Speaker 1: may end up being a net positive of overall. See

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Speaker 1: you see. I think the same way that the country

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Speaker 1: is overwhelming majority show respect for the flag during the anthem,

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Speaker 1: I think the country is also and this is just

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Speaker 1: my impression, overwhelming majority any NFL players who want to

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Speaker 1: address police minority relations want to hold town halls. I

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Speaker 1: think people are all in favor of that. No one

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Speaker 1: is saying these guys can't have a voice and can

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Speaker 1: engage an activism, And I don't think a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of people are saying that there's not anything to address here.

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Speaker 1: They're just saying, we don't like this Colin Kaepernick guy

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Speaker 1: because it seems really self serving and just respect the

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Speaker 1: flag and whatever else you want to do is cool.

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Speaker 1: That that's my impression I think from the people that

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing from that that's absolutely right. And one last

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Speaker 1: thing on ESPN, people wonder why ESPN has this agenda.

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Speaker 1: Do you know how you have to care what the

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Speaker 1: listeners think of you and your views. ESPN has instulated

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Speaker 1: themselves with their business model to where they don't have

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Speaker 1: to care you. The ratings don't matter. It's all about

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Speaker 1: just total household and if you have cable, you pay

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Speaker 1: for ESPN period, So they don't care. Yeah, they're bundled in.

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Speaker 1: That's a good point. One more thing for you're tied.

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Speaker 1: There was that that tweet about Kaepernick saying if he

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Speaker 1: Do you think that was just an incredible blunder from

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Speaker 1: that reporter, or maybe were there some was there some

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Speaker 1: pressure brought to bear. I believe that Kaepernick, Okay, Colin

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Speaker 1: Kaepernick has a very a famous, attractive girlfriend who does

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Speaker 1: radio in New York City on an urban network that

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Speaker 1: I won't mention. She was the one who came forward

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Speaker 1: and said Colin didn't say that. And even though Colin

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Speaker 1: very well may have said that, if the girlfriend says

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Speaker 1: he didn't say it, he didn't say it. And I

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Speaker 1: can leave it like that. Okay, alright, ed Tyrone, my man,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. Appreciate you weighing on this one.

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Speaker 1: You bringing some expertise to it. Team, We're gonna hit

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Speaker 1: a quick break. We'll be back with a whole lot more.

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Speaker 1: Stay with me, alright, Teane, Let's talk executive orders for

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Speaker 1: a little bit. I know it's not the most exciting

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Speaker 1: topic in the world, but you will recall that during

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Speaker 1: the Obama administration, when President Obama couldn't get what he

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Speaker 1: the phone. And this was an important litmus test as well,

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Speaker 1: separation of powers looked at the actions of President Obama

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Speaker 1: during this period and said, hold on a second, it's

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Speaker 1: not the job of the president to write laws as

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Speaker 1: executive orders when the legislative branch won't go along with it.

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Speaker 1: And in fact, President Obama tried, and this should not

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Speaker 1: be forgotten as we are discussing immigration under the Trump

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Speaker 1: administration and what that negotiation should look like. President Obama

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Speaker 1: tried to ram through amnesty by making the federal government

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Speaker 1: first he had the executive order for DHAKA and then

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Speaker 1: DAPPA for an action for the parents of arrivals, and

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Speaker 1: then he was going to have I d S and

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Speaker 1: work permits and all of this given out to those

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Speaker 1: individuals right away, so that I would be effectively impossible

862
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Speaker 1: two take it back from them in the future. He

863
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Speaker 1: was trying to confer documented if you were, legitimacy on

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Speaker 1: people without the Congress giving him the authority to do so.

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Speaker 1: So now we look at a couple of areas where

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Speaker 1: President Trump is taking executive orders, and I want to

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Speaker 1: be very clear that we should not celebrate too much

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Speaker 1: on what is a temporary measure. It's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying don't celebrate. I'm not saying Trump doesn't

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Speaker 1: deserve credit for it. I certainly am very happy that

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Speaker 1: we have President Trump with his pen and phone, so

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Speaker 1: to speak, instead of how are you what happened? So

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Speaker 1: I think that the executive order on uh climate that's

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Speaker 1: out there right now is one that you know, Trump

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00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: is right too to end. And this is from the

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Speaker 1: Associated Press today. The head of the Environmental Protection Agency

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Speaker 1: that said Monday that he will sign a new rule

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00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: overriding the Clean Power Plan and Obama era effort to

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00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,919
Speaker 1: limit carbon emissions from coal fired power plants. The war

880
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: on coal is over. EP Administrator Scott Pruet declared in

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00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: the coal mining state of Kentucky. He said, no federal

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00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: agencies should quote ever use its authority to declare war

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Speaker 1: on any sector of our economy. Okay, this is certainly

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Speaker 1: the right move, and it's good, it's encouraging, But I

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Speaker 1: want to know that an executive order is only as

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00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: good as the administrator, only lasts as long as the

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Speaker 1: administration that issues it. So while it's a victory right

888
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: now and certainly will help power plants and will help

889
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: all of us because the cost of energy is reflected

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Speaker 1: not just in your or energy bill, but in the

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00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: cost of literally doing business of goods and services. All

892
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Speaker 1: kinds of commercial enterprises pass their costs onto the customer

893
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: when power when energy costs are higher. So this is

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Speaker 1: a good measure, but I want to note that it's temporary.

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Speaker 1: You need major legislative action on some of these issues

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Speaker 1: if you want to have any hope of maintaining this

897
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: better move than it just being a temporary thing that

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Speaker 1: happens during the Trump administration. And that then brings me so.

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Speaker 1: So the e P A regulation good. This is what

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Speaker 1: Trump should do. He's making the right move. But he's

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Speaker 1: supposed to also sign an executive order on the healthcare market.

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Speaker 1: And what this would do would mean that the president

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Speaker 1: allow the president would allow people to buy insurance across

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Speaker 1: state lines. Now I think that this is a good

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Speaker 1: thing as well, but only if he does it and

906
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Speaker 1: it works. And then there's a follow on. Let me

907
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Speaker 1: first give you some details on what the president is

908
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: reportedly going to do here, and then we'll get into

909
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Speaker 1: the why and the what what matters about this? Uh,

910
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Speaker 1: here's the Wall Street General reporting President Donald Trump's executive

911
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: order on health insurance the most significant steps so far

912
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Speaker 1: to put his stamp on health policy is designed to

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Speaker 1: give more options to healthy consumers. It could also divide

914
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Speaker 1: the health insurance market in two. The order to be

915
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Speaker 1: signed this week will begin rolling back some requirements of

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Speaker 1: the Affordable Care Act and could allow insurers to offer

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Speaker 1: the kinds of low cost, less, comprehensive plans that were

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Speaker 1: restricted by health law. End quote. All right, this sounds great. Conservatives,

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00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: free market proponents, we have been saying for years, and

920
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Speaker 1: some who are a little older than they have been

921
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: saying for decade, that you need competition so that healthcare

922
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: gets better, cheaper, more efficient, and people have choice. You

923
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: need healthcare competition. You need doctors and hospitals and providers

924
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Speaker 1: to be competing with each other. And you need the

925
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Speaker 1: individuals getting to care to have the power of either

926
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Speaker 1: giving or not giving their dollars to different entities. It

927
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: can't all be dictated for them. But here's the other

928
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: side of this as well, And this is what I

929
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Speaker 1: worry about. Sure, letting people pick healthcare plans that go

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Speaker 1: across state lines is a good thing, and it's the

931
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: right thing, but it's going to cause disruptions. And that's

932
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Speaker 1: what this Wall Street Journal article gets into. It will

933
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Speaker 1: cause issues because people who are healthier are just going

934
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Speaker 1: to seek a lower cost plan in another state. So

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Speaker 1: I'm in New York City, so it's basically a you know,

936
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Speaker 1: really overpriced socialist paradise here in New York Park, right,

937
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 1: And I might want a healthcare plan that's pretty bare bones.

938
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Speaker 1: Now New York doesn't offer that, and Obamacare already has

939
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: all kinds of mandates. If this executive order exempted people

940
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Speaker 1: from the federal Obamacare mandates for their plans and allowed

941
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,280
Speaker 1: you to not just by a plan offered by your state,

942
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 1: but by a plan offered in any state, someone like

943
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: me would probably go for a low cost, high deductible

944
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Speaker 1: plan where it's very clearly defined what is covered, what

945
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Speaker 1: is not covered, and that's it. And maybe it's from Alaska.

946
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Speaker 1: What's some my my team buck Alaska, peeps, you know,

947
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Speaker 1: maybe it's in uh in Louisiana. I love you, New Orleans.

948
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna I'm gonna start running through every state.

949
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be the guy who shows up, you know,

950
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: the politicians shows up and pretends that their favorite sports

951
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: team is the sports team of whatever city they're in.

952
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 1: But no, Hi Fi Alaska and Louisiana and everyone else

953
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Speaker 1: listening to the show across the country. Now, I really

954
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Speaker 1: do want to name all the different states, but maybe

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Speaker 1: I get my plan in some other state. This sounds great,

956
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: but two problems with this, And see I come here

957
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: to bring you the honest analysis that I can not

958
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: just to you know, get all excited and play cheerleader

959
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: for whatever the latest Republican initiative is if you allow

960
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: people to do this, the sicker people who need more

961
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Speaker 1: health care. And remember this is because ultimately this isn't

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00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: about insurance. It's just about the redistribution of healthcare dollars

963
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: through mandates which are publicly decided, not are politically decided,

964
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: rather not free market decided. But sicker people would then

965
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Speaker 1: be stuck in higher cost plans and those and then

966
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 1: you start to have the same problem you have with

967
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Speaker 1: the Obamacare exchanges. So what is ultimately at the root

968
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: of all this is if you have people who either

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00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: don't have enough money to pay for their plans or

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00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: people who are so sick that they're gonna need a

971
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: disproportionate amount of healthcare within a plan, you have to

972
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: force for this whole thing to work other people into

973
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: their markets to subsidize them. That's at the heart of Obamacare,

974
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: and unfortunately that concept is popular because people are fearful

975
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 1: of what would happen if they got really sick, even

976
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: if there have been in really good health and we've

977
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: been sold this bill of goods. That redistribution of healthcare

978
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: is a moral imperative. And so if you try to

979
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: decouple the healthy from the sick, the self uh, the

980
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: self supporting from those who need subsidy in an insurance market,

981
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: you're going to create an insurance market death spiral. So

982
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: that they would have to address this issue somehow, because

983
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: if the Republicans, or rather if Donald Trump writes this

984
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: executive order and then some people are able to get

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00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: out of their plans, it has to work. Well. It

986
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: can't just be oh, well, this is something different, and

987
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: now yeah it's free market based, but oh, some insurance

988
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: plans are going bankrupt. Insurers are gonna stop offering them

989
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: in some places. Because unless you're then assuming that other states,

990
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: you know that that the market will all correct itself

991
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,959
Speaker 1: in time, which I don't know. Now now we're extrapolating

992
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: beyond anyone's ability to predict I think accurately. What will

993
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: happen to the markets, but you're gonna have major dislocations

994
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: and big problems in some with some insurers, particularly in

995
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: some large states that have very high cost insurance pools.

996
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: The other part of this goes back to the initial premise,

997
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 1: which has to do with the executive orders. If Trump

998
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,919
Speaker 1: passes this executive order, it's got to be more than

999
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: just a temporary fix, because who knows who's gonna Look.

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00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,240
Speaker 1: I think if NFL players keep kneeling and the media

1001
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: keeps going in uh, in their favor, Trump probably is

1002
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: gonna he doesn't have to do a whole lot, and

1003
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: he's still gonna win reelection. But seriously, the well, I

1004
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: think that's a true thing. But seriously, uh, there is

1005
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Speaker 1: also the prospect of another you know, another president coming

1006
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Speaker 1: in office and what it will only be three years

1007
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: from now, and so an executive order is always a

1008
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: temporary measure because the next executive as the Obama administration

1009
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Speaker 1: is finding out, can undo it. So you have to

1010
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: have not just the right order put in place, you

1011
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: need success to and on healthcare in particular, if Trump

1012
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: is going to sign this thing that says you can

1013
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: buy across state lines, they've got to have it worked

1014
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: out so that it doesn't because the market will fix everything.

1015
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: But there are so many market intrusions in place they

1016
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 1: have to clear some of them away. And this has

1017
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: to be explained to the American people. So we shall see.

1018
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Columbus and Columbus Day coming up here. Uh,

1019
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Speaker 1: stay with me, team eight four four eight four four

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Speaker 1: b U c K. I'll be right back. Happy Columbus Day,

1021
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 1: Team Buck. Instead of wasting our time with the latest

1022
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Speaker 1: idiot article somewhere about how we should abandon any commemoration

1023
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: of Christopher Columbus and pulled down his statues, I wanted

1024
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Speaker 1: to spend a few moments with you talking about the

1025
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: Christopher Columbus that really was, and tell you some things

1026
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: about him that I don't think you will have heard elsewhere,

1027
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: and a little bit of a context for his incredible

1028
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: journey across the Atlantic. So we're all taught in school

1029
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: that in four Columbus sailed the ocean blue, and perhaps

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Speaker 1: for those of you who wanted to get a special

1031
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: gold star from the teacher, uh, you would know that

1032
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Speaker 1: the Nina, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria were the

1033
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: three ships. And that's pretty much it. Uh, maybe they

1034
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: said that. Maybe they would have told you in school

1035
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: he landed in what is now the Bahamas. But it

1036
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Speaker 1: tends to trail off pretty quickly after that, and you

1037
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: have the age of exploration into full gear in the

1038
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: sixteenth century and a lot of different voyages, and you

1039
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: get Vasco da Gama and Magellan, and then you move

1040
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Speaker 1: in with Cortes and Pizarro, the conquistadors, and there's just

1041
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: it's a fascinating and rich period of history. But with Columbus,

1042
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Speaker 1: I think there's all this focus on his decision to

1043
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: cross the Atlantic and his discovery of what became America,

1044
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: named for the Florentine explorer Amerigo Vespucci, who showed up

1045
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: a few years after Columbus. But there are some things

1046
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: that we should all know about good old Chris that

1047
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: I think gets skipped over in school. First of all,

1048
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Speaker 1: a few things about the man himself. The name Christopher,

1049
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: if you didn't know, and I'm sure many of you know,

1050
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Speaker 1: this means Christ Bearer. And in fact, Columbus was a

1051
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Speaker 1: very religious guy. He was a devout Roman Catholic and

1052
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: would often say things like Jesus and Mary be with

1053
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Speaker 1: us on the way, just as a function of his speech.

1054
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Speaker 1: Since I told you what his first name means, his

1055
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Speaker 1: last name, Colombo, which became Columbus when it was Anglicized,

1056
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Speaker 1: means dove. So he is the christ Bearer and dove,

1057
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Speaker 1: Christopher Columbus or Christopher Colombo. There's no contemporaneous portrait of

1058
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Speaker 1: him that exists, but it is believed that he was

1059
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: a redhead and had freckles, and he was tall and

1060
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Speaker 1: well built, whatever that meant in the fifteenth century, and

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Speaker 1: he was in a sense truly multicultural. Christopher Columbus was

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00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: born in the Italian Republic of was an Italy at

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Speaker 1: the time, of course, but now it is of Genoa,

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00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: which was a famous sea trading and and very wealthy

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00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: and cause mopolitan port. But you understand the life of

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01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: Christopher Columbus, you have to also keep in mind some

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01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: of the key events before and around the time of

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Speaker 1: his birth and what was changing in the Mediterranean. What

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01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: they don't tell you in school is that the Ottoman Empire, Yes,

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01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: that favorite historical subject of mind, played a major role

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01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: not just in the fortunes of the Republic of Genoa,

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01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: but also in the decision of the European states to

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01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: seek some pathway via the sea to the Far East,

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Speaker 1: which Marco Polo had made very famous with his memoir

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01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: Il Milione. So they knew that there were these lands

1076
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: of what were at the time actually under the Khanate,

1077
01:00:53,480 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: but of Cathay, China and and Chipangu or Japan. So

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01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: the European seafaring city states certainly knew about the incredible

1079
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: wealth in the Far East. But because of the fall

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01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: of Constantinople in fourteen fifty three to the Ottoman Turks,

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01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: they were severed from the Far East. They would have

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01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: to go through what is now Turkey and the Middle East,

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01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: and Europe was under the constant threat of conquest, and

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01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: so finding sea roots wasn't just a question of getting

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01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: incredibly lucrative trading going, although that was certainly very important.

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01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: Gold spices were incredibly valuable at the time, but also

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01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: they were trying to do an end run on the Turks,

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01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: on the Muslims, who, by season Constantinople in fourteen fifty three,

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01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: remember Christopher Columbus was born in fourteen fifty one, had

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01:01:54,960 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: effectively severed the land route between Europe and and what

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01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: was the Far East, and the only way to get

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01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: to the far East via ship would have been around

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01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: what was the southern tip of Africa, later became known

1094
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: as the Cape of Good Hope. But as anybody with

1095
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: a globe or just a map or a basic understanding

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01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: of global geography knows, that's a really long way to go.

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01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: And this part of the tale, I know you're already

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01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: familiar with. It's that Columbus decided that he was going

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01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: to find a short cut to the Indies, but by

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01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: the Indies he actually thought he was going to be

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01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: getting to Japan and China. Now, the Italians and more

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01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: specifically the city of Genoa, from which we get great

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01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: Salami by the way, claim Columbus as their own. But

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01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: early on in his life, in his twenties and thirties,

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01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: the most important place for him was Portugal. Now we

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01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: think of Portugal now as that country that you sometimes

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01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: forget about that's attached to Spain. But in the middle

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01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: of the fifteenth century, Portugal was a major ocean going power,

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01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 1: both with its merchant capacity and its navy. It was

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01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: Portuguese ships that initially took the small islands that would

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01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: be the way stations on the way to the New

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01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: World of the Azores, the Canary Islands and others that

1113
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: jut out into the Atlantic far off the coast of

1114
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: what is now Morocco. And it was the Portuguese who

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01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: initially uh landed in West Africa and looking for gold

1116
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: and found some of that, but also began the slave

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01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 1: trade that continued on for centuries thereafter. But it was

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01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: his time in Portugal around ships, because Portugal was perfectly

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01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: situated at the uh on the Atlantic, but also at

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Speaker 1: the mouth of the Mediterranean. It was in Portugal that

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01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: Christopher Columbus got his sea legs, got his experience, made

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01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: it all the way to the Greek island of Heos,

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01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: and became acclimated to life at sea and navigation, and

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01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: came up with some pretty radical theories about what he

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Speaker 1: could do to get to the far East. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: many of you know that this notion that the world

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01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: was flat, or that people thought the world was flat,

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01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: this is an urban legend that just will not die.

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01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: This is a myth. The educated classes in all the

1130
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: maritime European states were certainly aware of the fact that

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01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: they could sail on a sphere and that the world

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01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: was not just going to end, and there wasn't some

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01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: drop off. But the issue was how far away if

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01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: they were to go west. They believed that if they

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01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: headed west they would hit the far the far East,

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01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: but that it was far too long a journey over

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01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: open ocean for anyone to be a to make it.

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01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: And in terms of the actual raw distance from the

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01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: coast of Europe all the way to Japan, for example,

1140
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: they were correct. They just didn't know about that land

1141
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: mass in between North and South America. And it's in

1142
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: this period in Portugal that we see Columbus the hustler.

1143
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 1: You know, he was really a middle class guy. His

1144
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: father had been a weaver. He would make some money

1145
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 1: on the side drawing maps and being a navigator, also

1146
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: doing some shipping as a as a sailor, as a

1147
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: deck hand. But in the great spirit of entrepreneurs he

1148
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 1: kept on pitching and he got audiences first with John

1149
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: the second of Portugal, who was the king, and thought

1150
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 1: that he was kind of a hustler. And they thought

1151
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: about it. They knew that they knew that Columbus was smart,

1152
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: but as is often the case for people with great ideas,

1153
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 1: it just didn't happen. It should also be noted that

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01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 1: in the court of John the second Columbus made some

1155
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: pretty outrageous demands that he was going to be viceroy

1156
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: of all territories, that he could get a ten percent

1157
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: commission on any and all goods, including gold and spices

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01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: that would be found. I mean, he asked for the moon,

1159
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: and later on actually he would get it from Ferdinand

1160
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: and Isabella of Spain. But he moved to Spain, and

1161
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: it is in this period that he kept on having

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01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 1: meeting after meeting and really pushing the idea that he

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01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: could get to the Indies by going west. And the

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01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: Spanish crown was certainly interested, but they were much more

1165
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: interested bring us back to the Turks and the Muslims

1166
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: and the context for the whole uh Columbus expedition. They

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01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: were much more concerned with expelling the Moors, the Muslim

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01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 1: inhabitants of Spain, who had taken by force part of

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01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: the Iberian Peninsula centuries ago. And while every school child

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01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 1: learns that in four who Columbus sailed the Ocean Blue,

1171
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,439
Speaker 1: they probably also should know that in four ninety two

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01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: the ray Konquista, the Spanish effort to drive out the

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01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: Moors from Spain, was successful, and it was only because

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01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: it was finally successful that Ferdinand and Isabella were willing

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01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 1: to put forth the funds and the permissions for Columbus

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01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: to get his three ships, the Nina, the Pinta, and

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Speaker 1: the Santa Maria. Fun note about those, Uh, Columbus was

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01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 1: a very serious dude, and uh he probably was not

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01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 1: all that thrilled with the fact that the ships had

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01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 1: names that were all, uh, a little bit a little

1181
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 1: bit cheeky. The Nina is or the Nina is the girl,

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01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 1: the Pinta means a painted one, which in the parlance

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01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 1: of sailors at the time meant a prostitute. And the

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01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: Santa Maria he changed the name that was his flagship.

1185
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: It was originally La Gayaga, which was the Galician woman,

1186
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 1: so they were all aimed for three ladies. And then

1187
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 1: he changed Santa Maria for of course St. Mary. So

1188
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: he set sail in fourteen two. He overcomes all this stuff,

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01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 1: and sure enough, after the possibility of mutiny and all

1190
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 1: the things you're all familiar with, because long ship transport

1191
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 1: doesn't tend to put people in a very good mood,

1192
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,719
Speaker 1: especially when they think they might run out of provisions

1193
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: and all die. They do land in the Bahamas, and

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01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 1: that is the first of a total of four trips

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01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: that Columbus makes to the New World. And there's also

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01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 1: one other side story to all this that I never

1197
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 1: thought got enough attention, and that is that Columbus believed

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01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 1: that he would be able to make contact with a

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Speaker 1: foreign king named Prester John. He believed he was a Christian,

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01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: and historians debate this, but from all the stories he

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01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:56,560
Speaker 1: had heard that Columbus had heard, and Columbus was a

1202
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 1: huge admirer of and reader of Marco Polo's works, he

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01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 1: had heard that there was a Cohn, or that there

1204
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: was a far east monarch who had converted to Christianity.

1205
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: And it was columbus belief that he could make contact

1206
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: with this Prester John, and that he would be a

1207
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: valuable ally in you guessed it, fighting the Turks in

1208
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:26,959
Speaker 1: the fifteenth century Mediterranean basin. The Turks were the Soviet

1209
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:32,719
Speaker 1: Union and the European states were well NATO. They didn't

1210
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 1: have nuclear weapons, but it was believed that eradication and

1211
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,759
Speaker 1: the future of Christendom and with it, therefore the future

1212
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: of humanity and Heaven and Earth, was in the balance. Yes,

1213
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: Columbus wanted to convert the natives that he was going

1214
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 1: to encounter to Christianity, but he also was looking for

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01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 1: allies so that eventually not only could they take back

1216
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: Constantinople from the Turk, but they could take back the

1217
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 1: Holy Land it self. Yes, Columbus's voyage to America was

1218
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,839
Speaker 1: in part in the hopes that they would find riches

1219
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 1: and allies to take back Jerusalem. So it was because

1220
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: of my fascination with all things cross versus crescent in

1221
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 1: history that I just wanted to add that little bit

1222
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 1: of background. So there were four different voyages. I don't

1223
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 1: have the time here, and I don't think you particularly

1224
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 1: the inclination to listen to stories about all four of

1225
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 1: columbus voyages along the shore. It was the first one.

1226
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 1: They bounced around to a bunch on islands looking for gold,

1227
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 1: didn't really find any, got some cool trinkets, went back

1228
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 1: to Spain, took some captives along the way, came back

1229
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 1: a second time, set up a settlement, came back a

1230
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 1: third time, did a little more. Came back a fourth

1231
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 1: time after Columbus had been stripped of his title of

1232
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 1: viceroy because people felt like the colonists felt like he

1233
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: had lied to them. And along the way there was

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01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 1: some really brutal stuff that Columbus did, and there was

1235
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 1: enslavement and forced labor and some very nasty policies. All

1236
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: of that said, Columbus opened up the age of exploration,

1237
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 1: which was necessary for us to live in this wonderful

1238
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 1: modern world we have where we have antibiotics and computers

1239
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 1: and life expectancy getting close to eighty and all the

1240
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 1: other great stuff going on. So, yeah, Columbus was pretty awesome,

1241
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 1: not necessarily as a guy, but what he did was

1242
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: really important and very cool, and nobody should be tearing

1243
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 1: down his statues or trying to rewrite history. We know

1244
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 1: the bad, we know the good, and the part that

1245
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 1: we care about is the good. So, like I said,

1246
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 1: my friends, happy Columbus Day. Hey, just one more thing

1247
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 1: on Columbus Day. Since I've been hitting on this topic

1248
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 1: for a little bit, there were some reports that there

1249
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: might be some members of the group that you're all

1250
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: quite familiar with now, you know, they show up in

1251
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 1: the helmets and the black masks, and they've got clubs

1252
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: and they've got everything and defa and that the group

1253
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: would be doing something at statues of Columbus across the country,

1254
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:17,600
Speaker 1: and maybe if it was an ANTIFA doing stuff, it

1255
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: would just be protesters who were going to show up

1256
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 1: and be mad at an inanimate object, in this case,

1257
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 1: including the very large statue of Christopher Columbus in Columbus

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01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 1: Circle here in New York City. But wouldn't you know it,

1259
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 1: Columbus Date parade happening today in New York And from

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01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 1: what I gather, no protest yet at the Columbus statue

1261
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 1: because it's raining. You see, when it rains, it's not

1262
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: as fun to get all dressed up in black masks

1263
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 1: and black clothing and do the whole Hey, we're street

1264
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 1: anarchists that want to battle it out with cops thing.

1265
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 1: You know, it's like these guys who do the protesting

1266
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 1: at the statues and ANTIFA that views Columbus because the

1267
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:07,639
Speaker 1: view everything these days as some function of white supremacy. Right,

1268
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 1: Columbus is is an homage to white supremacy if you

1269
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,639
Speaker 1: listen to progressives these days. But if they were so

1270
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 1: keen on saving us from the evils of Columbus and

1271
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 1: the history that he represents, you think that they could

1272
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 1: withstand a little rain. But no, like you men, like

1273
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:30,719
Speaker 1: we got it like July. Just you know, proachas Columbus man.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's like, oh, waits can rain do? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I know, men, I knew if I can. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's like the statue when he rings me and it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm gonna get wet. You know. It's

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Speaker 1: one thing you get tear gas, but if I get wet,

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Speaker 1: like this is not fun man. So sure enough, yeah,

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Speaker 1: not a lot at least as I as I go

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Speaker 1: to air here, I haven't seen anything about any Columbus

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Speaker 1: statue destruction or defacing. And here specifically in New York,

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Speaker 1: there were concerned earns. The NYPD was put on alert.

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Speaker 1: There were concerns that maybe someone would try to take

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Speaker 1: take out a Columbus statue. But from what I see,

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Speaker 1: nothing so far to indicate that that has in fact happened.

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Speaker 1: And uh pro chesters social justice warriors, you know, the

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Speaker 1: social justice movement is very important until it rains and

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Speaker 1: and then a lot of these progressive activist types, including

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Speaker 1: the militant faction within progressivism of Antifa, they don't want

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Speaker 1: to get wet, they don't like the rain, so they're

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Speaker 1: gonna let it go today. So it looks like a

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Speaker 1: pretty quiet Columbus day so far here in New York City.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about colonialism, which Columbus is,

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Speaker 1: in many ways the beginnings of colonialism. You could, in

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Speaker 1: a sense, if you were leftists, argue he was the forefather,

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Speaker 1: the founding father of European colonialism. Well, there's a very

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Speaker 1: interesting debate that's happening on that subject in academic circles,

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Speaker 1: one that is fierce, one that has involved resignations, retractions

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Speaker 1: of published work, and yes, even threats of violence against

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Speaker 1: the author. So is it worth another look at colonialism

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Speaker 1: and its legacy on Columbus Day? I think so. With that,

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Speaker 1: right after the break, welcome back, team, buck Sexton, here

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Speaker 1: with you. I've got a really fascinating story to talk

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Speaker 1: to you about that I don't think you will have

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Speaker 1: heard anywhere else, because it comes from within the bowels

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Speaker 1: of academia. And I try to keep my finger somewhat

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Speaker 1: on the if not the pulse, at least in the

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Speaker 1: general direction of leftist academia, because it is the first

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Speaker 1: place you will often see ideology and conceptualization of day

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Speaker 1: to day life that will later be adopted by mainstream progressivism.

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Speaker 1: Hollywood Democrat media, the Democrat Party, and so on. So

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Speaker 1: let me start with this question, just how does the

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Speaker 1: orthodoxy of political correctness get enforced in academia, or for

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Speaker 1: those of you who want this to be a little

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01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 1: more right to the point, how stalinists are professors in

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Speaker 1: the way they approach free discourse. Let me bring you

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Speaker 1: into the story here that I'm willing to bet almost

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Speaker 1: none of you listening will have heard anywhere else or

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Speaker 1: seen anywhere else, because it's getting very scant media coverage,

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Speaker 1: and that may change. Because this illustrates not just the

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Speaker 1: process by which academics engage in purges of wrong think

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Speaker 1: within their own ranks, but also looks at an issue

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Speaker 1: that is central to the modern progressive worldview. It has

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Speaker 1: to do with colonialism. Now, colonialism is a reference to

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Speaker 1: a period in history when European states were seizing through

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Speaker 1: force and through agreements and mercantilism and everything else. I

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Speaker 1: can't give you a full history of the colonial period

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Speaker 1: right now, but you're familiar, right, We're all familiar with

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Speaker 1: what colonialism was. But in progressive circles, colonialism is one

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Speaker 1: of the worst evils to have ever befallen this earth.

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Speaker 1: Colonialism in leftist circles is tantamount to genocide and slavery

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Speaker 1: and racism, and yes, white supremacy. Colonialism is morally indistinct

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Speaker 1: from the great totalitarian evils of the twenty century Nazism,

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Speaker 1: for example. In just how vile and destructive it was

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Speaker 1: different means, but almost as bad, if not just as bad,

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Speaker 1: depends on which academic you would ask. Now, let me

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Speaker 1: first say that you're talking about hundreds of years and

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Speaker 1: countless differ in situations than an enormously complicated topic. So

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Speaker 1: to refer to colonialism and compare, say, the treatment of

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Speaker 1: the British in South Asia and India with the treatment

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Speaker 1: of the Belgians in the Congo is just to engage

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Speaker 1: in incredibly sloppy history and and intellectually dishonest politicization of history.

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Speaker 1: But the shortened version here is that and this is

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Speaker 1: taught in schools. I was taught this in school. There

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Speaker 1: are so many classes offered about the evils of colonialism

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Speaker 1: and the colonial period and how it is just all

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Speaker 1: about slavery, white supremacy, oppression, genocide, rape, murder, all the

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Speaker 1: worst stuff imaginable. This is drummed into the heads of

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Speaker 1: college students across the country and really almost across the board.

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Speaker 1: There might be some very minor efforts on different campuses

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Speaker 1: to give just a more nuanced view of colonialism, but

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Speaker 1: the prevailing and this is important for the Democrat Party

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Speaker 1: today and the media today. If you were to ask

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Speaker 1: people who work at CBS or CNN or wherever, you know,

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Speaker 1: what do you think of colonialism, they'll launch into some

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Speaker 1: diet tribe about, you know, oppression of indigenous peoples and rape,

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Speaker 1: murder and theft. And that's overwhelmingly going to be the case.

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Speaker 1: And this also becomes even more sensitive when you look

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Speaker 1: at the twenty century uh legacies of colonialism and how

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Speaker 1: that's viewed by the left. Essentially that Africa, the Middle

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Speaker 1: East and other areas that were colonized by the Europeans,

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Speaker 1: the fact that they dramatically lagged behind much of the

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Speaker 1: rest of the world in terms of development, in terms

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Speaker 1: of GDP, in terms of rule of law, in terms

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Speaker 1: of stability, in terms of all of these different factors

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Speaker 1: is the fault still to this day, of the colonial overlords.

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Speaker 1: So you can see how this is a central theme

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Speaker 1: for the progressive left. The problems of the Middle East,

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Speaker 1: the problems of particularly Sub Saharan Africa, the problems of

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Speaker 1: Southeast Asia in part Thailand was never colonized, for example,

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Speaker 1: But really the Middle East and Sub Saharan Africa are

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Speaker 1: the primary examples of this colonialist or post colonialist rather worldview.

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Speaker 1: It's all the fault of Europe. You can use this too,

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Speaker 1: if you're a leftist who really wants to push it,

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Speaker 1: talk about how we are the cause of jihadism, we

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Speaker 1: are the cause of radical Islam, we are the cause

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Speaker 1: of famines in Africa, we are the cause of al

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Speaker 1: Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and elsewhere. It's all our fault.

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Speaker 1: And in a particularly intellectually dishonest twist, though America has

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Speaker 1: never officially been a colonial state, although people would say

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Speaker 1: what about Puerto Rico and gua Um and the Philippines,

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Speaker 1: And and then if you really push that, they'll also say,

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Speaker 1: what about the territories taken from Mexico. Yes, another part

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Speaker 1: of our history that doesn't get quite as much attention,

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Speaker 1: I think as it should. Um. The point here is

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Speaker 1: that they say that we are the inheritors of that

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Speaker 1: colonial legacy in the post World War two era, and

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Speaker 1: that we use multi national institutions and economics, and the

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Speaker 1: threat of military force to coerce in the twentieth century

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Speaker 1: in a way that as America in a way that

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Speaker 1: the European powers were coercing in the seventeen eighteenth, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: So this line of argument is a favorite, and it

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Speaker 1: is sacro cent on college campuses and in academia, and

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Speaker 1: it allows semi educated professors to propagandize and pollute the

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Speaker 1: minds of young people into thinking that one all of

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Speaker 1: the world's problems, really in particularly sub Saharan African in

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Speaker 1: the Middle East, are still the fault not of the

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Speaker 1: people living. They're not of the decisions of those that

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Speaker 1: have been independent in these countries. For depending on where

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Speaker 1: we're talking about a hundred years, you know, seventy five years,

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Speaker 1: hundred fifty years, whichever depends where. But what if that's

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Speaker 1: not the whole story. What if what academics across the

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Speaker 1: country and for generations now have been spewing from the

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Speaker 1: front of the classroom, have been writing and all their

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Speaker 1: peer of view journals does not take the totality of

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Speaker 1: colonial era Europe into account. And what if, in fact,

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Speaker 1: there was some good stuff that came as a result

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Speaker 1: of colonialism. What if it was a massive force for

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Speaker 1: rule of law and modernizing and Rhodes and electricity and technology.

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Speaker 1: What if some of the European protict What if the

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Speaker 1: British government was a better form of government for some

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Speaker 1: of the people in these colonial era countries than the

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Speaker 1: governments that took over after the colonial power left. This

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Speaker 1: is absolute heresy. They will not let it be discussed.

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Speaker 1: They will not let someone say it. They will scream racism,

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Speaker 1: they will scream oppression and genocide and just they will yell,

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Speaker 1: they will shout down, they will not engage. Academics will

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Speaker 1: do everything in their power to shut down such a discussion.

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Speaker 1: And so that's why the fact that a piece in

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Speaker 1: Third World Quarterly that just raises this notion and raises

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Speaker 1: it through the lens of one of the most heralded

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Speaker 1: anti colonialist Nigerian authors, through his own words, to do

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Speaker 1: that is an affront, a slap in the face to

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Speaker 1: this academic progressive orthodoxy about how colonialism was and is

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Speaker 1: the greatest cause of evil in the world for centuries.

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Speaker 1: It has destroyed countries that would otherwise be doing really well.

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Speaker 1: What if that's not entirely true what if that's only

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Speaker 1: partially true in some places, in some countries, Can you

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Speaker 1: at least have an intellectual exchange on that issue? The

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01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 1: left says no. But now it's out there because there

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Speaker 1: is a peer of viewed article in Third World Quarterly

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Speaker 1: that has caused resignations, that has been retracted, that has

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Speaker 1: resulted in death threats, that just begins to chip away

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Speaker 1: at this narrative, at this forced conclusion that we must

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Speaker 1: all come to on how colonialism was one evil and

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Speaker 1: destructive and yes, gives a free pass to the post

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Speaker 1: colonial indigenous governments of the Middle East and Sub Saharan

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Speaker 1: Africa and their decades of kleptocracy and murder and corruption

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Speaker 1: and stupidity. Let's tackle this a bit more. I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you about the piece specifically right after this break. Welcome back,

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Speaker 1: Team Buck. This piece that challenges the progressive orthodoxy on

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01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 1: colonialism and its legacies in the world that still very

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Speaker 1: much affect us today. In fact, people have argued, and

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Speaker 1: I think in many cases rightly so, that the prevailing

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Speaker 1: leftist view of America today in the world and the

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01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 1: foundation for our international relations is inextrictly linked and defined

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Speaker 1: by the colonial legacy of what not the left will

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Speaker 1: call white supremacy. Colonialism is tied to white supremacy. That's

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01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 1: what the left says. And so when you have a

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Speaker 1: peer reviewed academic journal publish a piece that challenges that,

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Speaker 1: the backlash is swift and severe. And I want to

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Speaker 1: tell you about this now. The piece was just published

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01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:24,760
Speaker 1: this past summer, and it received all of the necessary

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01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 1: peer review, so other scholars read it, and part of

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Speaker 1: the problem, I think for them is that it relies

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Speaker 1: primarily on the piece which was written by Bruce gilly

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Speaker 1: Is Chinoach on the positive legacies of colonialism. Now, I

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01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 1: know a lot of you are like Buck, that sounds

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Speaker 1: like the kind of stuff that only academics right, and

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Speaker 1: only academics read, And generally speaking, that would be true.

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Speaker 1: Here's the abstract. Let me just read to you the

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Speaker 1: abstract and then I'll get into why this has resulted

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Speaker 1: in a firestorm. And and I'm going to try to

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Speaker 1: make sure that we all also focus on why does

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01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 1: this matter for us? Why should we care? Here's a hint.

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Speaker 1: Colonialism is the central idea and the evils of colonialism

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Speaker 1: without any benefits and without any mitigating factors, that is

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Speaker 1: the defining characteristic of the leftist world view, and if

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Speaker 1: you're talking about international relations in America and Europe's role

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Speaker 1: in the world, it's that it's that colonialism was just

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Speaker 1: terrible and we're responsible for all of the evils that

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01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 1: came from it, and there was no good. Here's what

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Speaker 1: is in the abstract of this piece. The late Nigerian

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01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 1: writer China Chab was a key figure in the rise

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Speaker 1: and persistence of anti colonial ideology in Africa. Yet in

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Speaker 1: his final work, at Chab made a clear statement about

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01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:55,640
Speaker 1: the positive legacies of colonialism, praising the British project of

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Speaker 1: state formation and nation building in the Lower Niger Based

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Speaker 1: in a careful study of his writings and comments from

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01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 1: nifty eight until his death, in shows that Abe was

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01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:10,800
Speaker 1: never the simple anti colonial figure that most assumed, and

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01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 1: that his seeming reversal could be read as the culmination

1484
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:19,360
Speaker 1: of a lifetimes meditation on African history and politics. Chabs

1485
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 1: final views have significant paradigmatic implications for the knowledge relevant

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01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 1: to national identity formation and state building in Africa today. Okay,

1487
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 1: a non academic way of saying, with this guy's writing

1488
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 1: here is okay at Cheb was a big deal in

1489
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 1: the anti colonial writer set of the twentieth century Native

1490
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 1: Nigerian celebrated author wrote, these novels did very well. But

1491
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:45,120
Speaker 1: if you read a Chab, he actually says some stuff

1492
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:47,639
Speaker 1: about how the Brits were doing a pretty good job

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01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 1: when it came to government as a colonial power in Nigeria. Unacceptable, unacceptable,

1494
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 1: they unfathomable. But what are they gonna say, A Chab

1495
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 1: is somehow supportive of white supremacy. A Chab doesn't care

1496
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 1: about Nigeria and Nigerians. He's he's a Nigeria, celebrated Nigerian writer.

1497
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 1: This is how I should know this got through peer

1498
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 1: of view, because the initial impulse of academics would be, well,

1499
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 1: if it's a we're talking about here, he's allowed to

1500
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 1: have an opinion. But what ends up happening through this

1501
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:25,679
Speaker 1: peer of view process, and this happens with the left

1502
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:31,440
Speaker 1: all the time today, is that they initially are unwilling

1503
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 1: to challenge somebody who's protected by identity politics unless it

1504
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 1: threatens the whole identity politics paradigm, unless it's so subversive

1505
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 1: that it could bring down the whole system, so to speak.

1506
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 1: And when it comes to colonialism, the left will not

1507
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 1: give an inch on this because it ties into so

1508
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 1: many of their ideas about the world and history. And

1509
01:29:56,280 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 1: the author of this piece, Gilly, is certainly aware of this,

1510
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:05,519
Speaker 1: and that's why he picks very explicit phrases here from

1511
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:09,400
Speaker 1: this celebrated Nigerian author at Cheb, where he writes things

1512
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 1: about British Remember this is about British colonial rule of Nigeria,

1513
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:19,840
Speaker 1: which went until nineteen sixty. The state of Nigeria was

1514
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 1: formed by the British in nineteen fourteen when they joined

1515
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 1: the protectorates of North and South Nigeria. The North, by

1516
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 1: the way, predominantly Muslim, the South predominantly Christian, which has

1517
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 1: led to many of the friction that we see playing

1518
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:40,800
Speaker 1: out today. But back to a che B and this essay.

1519
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 1: Cheb writes of the British colonial government. The British government

1520
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:50,200
Speaker 1: colony of Nigeria with considerable care. There was a very

1521
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 1: highly competent cadre of government officials imbued with a high

1522
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 1: level of knowledge of how to run a country. This

1523
01:30:57,200 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 1: was not something that the British achieved only in Nigeria.

1524
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 1: Uh they were able to manage this on a bigger

1525
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 1: scale in India and Australia. The British had the experience

1526
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 1: of governing and doing it competently. I am not justifying colonialism,

1527
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:12,759
Speaker 1: but it is important to face the fact that British

1528
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 1: colonies were more or less expertly run and quote, what

1529
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 1: does the left do with this celebrated Nigerian author who

1530
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 1: was saying, you know what, the British knew how to

1531
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 1: run a country. Doesn't mean they were doing it based

1532
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:34,120
Speaker 1: on uh Non in a non racial way, doesn't mean

1533
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 1: they were doing it in a way that was democratic.

1534
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:40,400
Speaker 1: But in terms of the actual functioning of government, they

1535
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:43,640
Speaker 1: were pretty efficient, and there was rule of law, and

1536
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 1: there were contracts that were enforced, and there was private property.

1537
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 1: This is the most frightening heresy in leftist circles because

1538
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 1: they worried that if you start to say, well, there

1539
01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:58,840
Speaker 1: were some good that the British did in in Nigeria,

1540
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:01,439
Speaker 1: for example, was there some good that the British did

1541
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 1: in in Jordan's in Iraq? What what did they bring

1542
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 1: anything to the table? And what about some of the

1543
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:11,759
Speaker 1: other colonial powers. Were the French just pillaging and raping

1544
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:14,639
Speaker 1: and destroying or did they actually leave a cultural legacy

1545
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:17,520
Speaker 1: and rule of law legacy in some of their colonies

1546
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 1: that benefited generations after independence was achieved. And also keep

1547
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:27,600
Speaker 1: in mind, if you can't just blame the British and

1548
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 1: the French and others for all of the problems of

1549
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:33,679
Speaker 1: these countries for the last hundred hundred and fifty years

1550
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 1: or so, really last hundred years. Most of the British

1551
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:40,839
Speaker 1: colonies that became and we think of the British colony

1552
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:44,120
Speaker 1: of America, for example, getting independence in seventeen seventy six,

1553
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:46,559
Speaker 1: but most of these colonies in sub serin Africa and

1554
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:49,639
Speaker 1: the Middle East you're talking about post World War One,

1555
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:52,920
Speaker 1: post World War Two, into the fifties and sixties that

1556
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:57,800
Speaker 1: the British colonial rule ended. But if these countries got

1557
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:00,599
Speaker 1: some good stuff from the Brits, and are they also

1558
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:05,040
Speaker 1: responsible for the bad governance that has been a defining

1559
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:08,639
Speaker 1: characteristic of many of these countries in the Middle East

1560
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:11,960
Speaker 1: and in Africa. And there's more from a Chab in

1561
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 1: this piece about some of the benefits the upside. He

1562
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 1: said back in the nine seven interview quote, I am

1563
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 1: not one of those who would say that Africa has

1564
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:22,639
Speaker 1: gained nothing at all during the colonial period. I mean,

1565
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 1: this is ridiculous. We have gained a lot but unfortunately,

1566
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,439
Speaker 1: when two cultures meet, what happens is that some of

1567
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 1: the worst elements of the old are retained and some

1568
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 1: of the worst of the new are added, and so on.

1569
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:35,960
Speaker 1: But again, I see this as the way life is.

1570
01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:39,640
Speaker 1: Every society has to grow up, every society has to

1571
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 1: learn its own lesson end quote, piece goes on. I

1572
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:45,880
Speaker 1: recommend it to you. We'll we'll put it up on

1573
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 1: on bucks x and dot com so you can read

1574
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:53,719
Speaker 1: it yourself. Colonialism is, for American progressives in the Democrat Party,

1575
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 1: the most important historical phenomenon of the last few hundred

1576
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:03,719
Speaker 1: years globally, and it is entirely bad. Because somebody challenged

1577
01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 1: that at all in an article. They pulled the article.

1578
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 1: There were death threats, there were resignations. They tried to

1579
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:12,799
Speaker 1: shut this down and pretend like this piece never happened.

1580
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 1: Let's not let them, friends, Let's push for intellectual honesty.

1581
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:21,400
Speaker 1: Let's push for the exchange of ideas and free inquiry,

1582
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:24,639
Speaker 1: and let's come to our own conclusions. Read this piece,

1583
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:31,040
Speaker 1: think about colonialism for yourself. We'll be right back. Hey, team,

1584
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:33,400
Speaker 1: it's Buck. I hope you'll excuse a bit of a

1585
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:37,880
Speaker 1: diversion from our usual fair. At this stage of the show,

1586
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:42,680
Speaker 1: I was walking home on Friday night and it was

1587
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:47,120
Speaker 1: just just finished radio. It was a beautiful night. And

1588
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 1: while I was a little bummed because Ms Molly is

1589
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:53,960
Speaker 1: away for work for a few days, I knew that

1590
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:58,040
Speaker 1: I got to go home and make a man mess

1591
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 1: in the kitchen and my pulled pork and get well. Actually,

1592
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 1: I was starting the marinade and just had a nice

1593
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:08,720
Speaker 1: mellow weekend going. And it's a beautiful night. And I

1594
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:13,840
Speaker 1: was walking past Bryant Park in New York City and

1595
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 1: sure enough, you know, everything it's just things were going

1596
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:20,439
Speaker 1: really well. You know, it's just a good night radio shows, great,

1597
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:23,759
Speaker 1: family is good, Molly's good. I'm you know, everything is good.

1598
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:28,599
Speaker 1: And I it's beautiful here in New York City. And

1599
01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 1: I take a step off of Briant Park because I

1600
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:35,479
Speaker 1: was crossing through and there are some stairs at one end,

1601
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:42,400
Speaker 1: and I just here in my foot and I thought,

1602
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:45,960
Speaker 1: all right, here we go, and I knew and a

1603
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 1: big shooting pain going through my foot, and I was like, oh,

1604
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 1: of of course, of course, no surprises. An old an

1605
01:35:56,560 --> 01:36:01,559
Speaker 1: old injury comes back to haunt me. And this is

1606
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 1: one of these areas on the show where I share

1607
01:36:05,479 --> 01:36:08,120
Speaker 1: with you my thoughts because I'm willing to bet there

1608
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:12,120
Speaker 1: are a lot of you out there who have chronic

1609
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:18,480
Speaker 1: pain in one form or another, because about ten Americans

1610
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 1: live with with chronic pain, meaning they just they have

1611
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 1: pain and it is there and it does not go away,

1612
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 1: and they just they just deal with it. And in

1613
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:36,679
Speaker 1: my experience, Western medicine is insufficient in treating chronic pain.

1614
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:41,360
Speaker 1: I've actually seen some of the best pain management specialists

1615
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 1: in New York City for one or two conditions that

1616
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:47,760
Speaker 1: I've dealt with in the past, and I'm amazed at

1617
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 1: how insufficient their treatments are and how expensive I should

1618
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 1: note the visits are to them. Before I get into

1619
01:36:57,600 --> 01:36:59,680
Speaker 1: some of my theories on this, I'll just share with

1620
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 1: you one thing that I deal with and and people

1621
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:05,920
Speaker 1: for example, So I'll tell you where where I have

1622
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 1: chronic pain, just to establish it, and then any of

1623
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:11,000
Speaker 1: you who have thoughts on this or if you want

1624
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:13,240
Speaker 1: to tell me your own stories Facebook dot Com, slash

1625
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:16,200
Speaker 1: buck Sexton and um if you don't. If you want

1626
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:18,000
Speaker 1: to just share but you don't want me to share

1627
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:20,719
Speaker 1: it on air ever, as a team Buck Speaks, just

1628
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:23,679
Speaker 1: just let me know, say Hey, this is just for you, um.

1629
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 1: But we live in a society now where pain is

1630
01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 1: considered a well it is, it's considered a weakness, and

1631
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:38,080
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to talk about it. It automatically sounds whiny,

1632
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:40,760
Speaker 1: and so I feel like we all pushed through it

1633
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:43,360
Speaker 1: and we do what we have to do. You're ahead,

1634
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:46,519
Speaker 1: you're bleeding, man, I ain't got time to bleed. But

1635
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 1: one of my objections to that is that there's a

1636
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:53,160
Speaker 1: lot going on in our country right now that that

1637
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:55,200
Speaker 1: I believe. And I'm not an m D. I have

1638
01:37:55,320 --> 01:38:01,160
Speaker 1: no medical training whatsoever. But I think that the opioid

1639
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:06,640
Speaker 1: abuse is driven by two factors. One of them is

1640
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:12,400
Speaker 1: cultural psychological, which is largely the lack of purpose that

1641
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:16,920
Speaker 1: is creeping into the mindset of particularly the American male,

1642
01:38:17,439 --> 01:38:22,200
Speaker 1: in an era where religion is now mocked and the

1643
01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:26,519
Speaker 1: dynamics of employment and careers are changing so rapidly that

1644
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:28,960
Speaker 1: no one feels secure and people feel like they are

1645
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 1: not particularly males, becausey're the ones that are hit hardest

1646
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:36,320
Speaker 1: by the opioid epidemic. They feel like they're not the providers,

1647
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:39,840
Speaker 1: They're not necessary the way they were in previous generations.

1648
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:43,160
Speaker 1: That's one component and this is just my analysis. I

1649
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:47,160
Speaker 1: can't pretend that there's any anything to back this up

1650
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:50,200
Speaker 1: other than a lot of reading and thinking, which may

1651
01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:52,599
Speaker 1: or may not be enough. And then the other side

1652
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:56,800
Speaker 1: is I think we have a a chronic pain epidemic

1653
01:38:56,840 --> 01:39:00,920
Speaker 1: in this country that's much worse than what anybody speaks

1654
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:03,320
Speaker 1: about openly and talks about. I think that there are

1655
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:06,800
Speaker 1: a lot of people who suffer from chronic pain and

1656
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:13,599
Speaker 1: never tell anybody because male, female, they're they're tough. You know. Uh,

1657
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:15,599
Speaker 1: you know, if it's if it's a mom, she's got

1658
01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:17,759
Speaker 1: kids to take care of and the kids come first,

1659
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:19,720
Speaker 1: and she doesn't you know, if it's the dad, he

1660
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:22,000
Speaker 1: doesn't want to seem like he's being a whimp, or

1661
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:25,200
Speaker 1: you know, vice versa, whatever it may be. You know

1662
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:26,880
Speaker 1: that maybe the mom feels that she doesn't want to

1663
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 1: be a whimp in front of the kids. I'm just

1664
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:33,160
Speaker 1: saying people in this country embrace the stiff upper lip

1665
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:36,880
Speaker 1: attitude about pain. But I just wish there was more

1666
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:41,360
Speaker 1: discussion of it because we need better fixes. Opioids are

1667
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:44,599
Speaker 1: not the answer, as we are all seeing as a

1668
01:39:44,680 --> 01:39:48,559
Speaker 1: short term shut off the pain mechanism for people, sure,

1669
01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:54,200
Speaker 1: but long term usage of these drugs is dangerous and

1670
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:57,680
Speaker 1: people can have their lives destroyed because of it. So

1671
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:00,160
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you that I have some

1672
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:04,679
Speaker 1: fascinating pain story to share with you. And it's certainly

1673
01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:08,960
Speaker 1: not and you know, uh, anything that I would tell

1674
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:11,240
Speaker 1: people in a bar to get their attention. You know,

1675
01:40:11,439 --> 01:40:15,679
Speaker 1: this isn't some I didn't throw out my shoulder because

1676
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:17,640
Speaker 1: a piece of burning lumber hit me as I was

1677
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:20,439
Speaker 1: saving a bunch of orphans from the Orphanage when it

1678
01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:25,599
Speaker 1: was on fire. Right, But I have essentially destroyed from

1679
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:30,599
Speaker 1: playing sports mostly basketball and UH and tennis and soccer.

1680
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:33,680
Speaker 1: I have destroyed my right ankle. I mean I I

1681
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:37,840
Speaker 1: have seen the Mr Eyes and I'm familiar with all

1682
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:42,160
Speaker 1: the different torn tendons. I have a broken bone. It's

1683
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:46,360
Speaker 1: called a Jones fracture of the fifth metatarsal bone in

1684
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:50,599
Speaker 1: your foot, which I actually broke when I was eighteen

1685
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:54,160
Speaker 1: and it never healed properly. It's something called a fibrous union,

1686
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:58,479
Speaker 1: which is associated with long term pain. So I I

1687
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:02,840
Speaker 1: walk around, that's something you're gonna think, Wow, uh buck

1688
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:05,920
Speaker 1: that that doesn't sound like fun. I walk around with

1689
01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:08,720
Speaker 1: a feeling most of the time, like I have a

1690
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:11,840
Speaker 1: nail stuck in my right foot. It comes and goes,

1691
01:41:12,040 --> 01:41:15,080
Speaker 1: but it's I'm always aware of it, and and sometimes

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01:41:15,080 --> 01:41:18,519
Speaker 1: it really will will flare up. And also I have

1693
01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:24,320
Speaker 1: soreness around my entire right ankle and almost no ankle stability,

1694
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:27,200
Speaker 1: which prevents me from doing some of the sports that

1695
01:41:27,240 --> 01:41:30,040
Speaker 1: I would want to continue to do. And it's it

1696
01:41:30,160 --> 01:41:33,880
Speaker 1: deteriorates because the more once you lose certain tendons, the

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01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:36,840
Speaker 1: other tendons compensate. Then they get stretched out and then

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01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:39,920
Speaker 1: they pop, and it's just keeps going and going, and

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01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:42,160
Speaker 1: I always have to laugh. Occasionally, I'll be with a

1700
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:44,599
Speaker 1: friend for some reason. This tends to happen if I'm

1701
01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:46,360
Speaker 1: wearing a suit and I'm over at Fox News and

1702
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:49,120
Speaker 1: I walk away from somebody, they say, are you limping?

1703
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:53,400
Speaker 1: And the the answer is, yeah, actually I I kind

1704
01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:56,439
Speaker 1: of limp all the time. I have a that the

1705
01:41:56,680 --> 01:42:00,559
Speaker 1: polite word that doctors use is an uneven gait. And

1706
01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:04,120
Speaker 1: it's because I've just gotten used to favoring one side

1707
01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:08,240
Speaker 1: when I walk, because one foot, one ankle has all

1708
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:11,799
Speaker 1: the tendons and all the stability that a normal healthy

1709
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:14,320
Speaker 1: foot and ankle would have. Um but I walk around

1710
01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:17,559
Speaker 1: and I just refused to let it slow me down,

1711
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:20,000
Speaker 1: and or at least I refuse to let it stop me.

1712
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:24,040
Speaker 1: And also I do still go to the gym, although

1713
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:25,880
Speaker 1: not as much lately as I would like to. But

1714
01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm active physically and I work out and I try

1715
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:33,200
Speaker 1: to push myself, even though afterwards I can always feel

1716
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:35,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I have I have pain. It hurts I

1717
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:39,160
Speaker 1: walk around and my ankle hurts. It hurts pretty much

1718
01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:41,160
Speaker 1: all the time, just a question of how much it hurts,

1719
01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:44,400
Speaker 1: and I've gotten used to it, meaning that I sometimes

1720
01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:47,800
Speaker 1: forget that I even have this problem. But then something

1721
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:51,280
Speaker 1: will happen, like Friday, where finally something pops and they're swelling,

1722
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:53,519
Speaker 1: which this will just happen to me, and I'm like, oh,

1723
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:56,240
Speaker 1: there goes another one, and I have to really limp,

1724
01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:58,080
Speaker 1: I mean limp in a big way, which I've had

1725
01:42:58,120 --> 01:43:01,000
Speaker 1: to limp around now for a few days. And it's

1726
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:03,880
Speaker 1: just a reminder of that, Yeah, okay, I'm getting older, fine,

1727
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:06,240
Speaker 1: but also you know, this is something I have to

1728
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:08,800
Speaker 1: I have to deal with and manage, and I just

1729
01:43:09,320 --> 01:43:10,960
Speaker 1: I know that there are a lot of you listening

1730
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:14,599
Speaker 1: who have your own I'm gonna guess lower back pain

1731
01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:18,400
Speaker 1: which can be just brutal and debilitating. Shoulder and neck pain.

1732
01:43:18,479 --> 01:43:20,360
Speaker 1: I've actually dealt with some chronic neck pain too, but

1733
01:43:20,479 --> 01:43:24,360
Speaker 1: shoulder pain I haven't had, and I know that's really difficult.

1734
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:27,920
Speaker 1: And this is a it's a silent epidemic in this country.

1735
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:30,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I just know from my own my own

1736
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:33,200
Speaker 1: life and and from talking to people and my friends

1737
01:43:33,240 --> 01:43:38,519
Speaker 1: and family, people have these experiences of continuous pain and

1738
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:41,960
Speaker 1: it's really not encouraged to talk about it because it's like, oh,

1739
01:43:42,040 --> 01:43:45,280
Speaker 1: you know, it's man up, or you know, be a

1740
01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:48,519
Speaker 1: tough girl, don't don't complain about your pain. I get it.

1741
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:50,840
Speaker 1: No one wants. I'm not gonna sit around all day

1742
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:53,519
Speaker 1: and talk to people about how much my ankle hurts.

1743
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:56,360
Speaker 1: That sounds really wimpy, although I will say problem with

1744
01:43:56,439 --> 01:43:58,960
Speaker 1: ankles as you're using it all the time, whenever you're

1745
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:02,320
Speaker 1: whenever you're walking around, your your ankle is in use.

1746
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:05,200
Speaker 1: And the surgeries to fix these things, which some of

1747
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:06,920
Speaker 1: your like, well, Puck, why don't you have it fixed?

1748
01:44:07,560 --> 01:44:10,720
Speaker 1: When you look into the surgeries, you're like, well, that's yeah.

1749
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:14,519
Speaker 1: I can take basically a year of my life, become

1750
01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:19,160
Speaker 1: be largely immobilized, spend tens of thousands of dollars and

1751
01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:23,520
Speaker 1: hope that I don't have to redo the surgery afterwards,

1752
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:27,559
Speaker 1: which especially for uh, this surgery, which would be a

1753
01:44:27,640 --> 01:44:31,440
Speaker 1: screw in the fifth metatarsal and something called a calcaneal

1754
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:35,120
Speaker 1: osteotomy where they saw your heel bone in half, move

1755
01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:38,679
Speaker 1: it over and reattach it to your foot with screws

1756
01:44:38,720 --> 01:44:41,320
Speaker 1: to balance it out. Because of all the destroyed tendons

1757
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:45,479
Speaker 1: and the inability to stabilize the ankle that someone like

1758
01:44:45,560 --> 01:44:48,759
Speaker 1: me has, I don't have that. I don't have dens

1759
01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:51,000
Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars. I don't have a year to burn,

1760
01:44:51,200 --> 01:44:55,760
Speaker 1: and so I push on, and I just want to

1761
01:44:55,800 --> 01:44:58,200
Speaker 1: reach out to those you're listening who have your own

1762
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:01,600
Speaker 1: whatever it is, your own thing, your own pain, and

1763
01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:06,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're pushing onto and I would just advocate

1764
01:45:06,280 --> 01:45:08,280
Speaker 1: you know this, Like I went through with my weekend.

1765
01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:10,880
Speaker 1: I managed to get into the gym a little bit

1766
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:13,000
Speaker 1: of just sort of limping around, and you know, it's

1767
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:14,920
Speaker 1: a little better now, It'll be fine soon. It wasn't

1768
01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:17,680
Speaker 1: a catastrophic injury, but it's a chronic pain issue and

1769
01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:20,840
Speaker 1: it flares up sometimes. Any of you listening anywhere across

1770
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:25,479
Speaker 1: the country who have your own chronic pain. You have

1771
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:28,680
Speaker 1: to become your own treatment specialist. And I you know,

1772
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:32,200
Speaker 1: this is probably not this is not you know, medically,

1773
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:36,000
Speaker 1: this is not advice that the American Medical Association or

1774
01:45:36,040 --> 01:45:38,679
Speaker 1: something is going to give people. But it's just general advice.

1775
01:45:39,160 --> 01:45:41,679
Speaker 1: You have to become your own treatment specialist, meaning learn

1776
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:44,000
Speaker 1: what the options are and what's out there for you.

1777
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:47,559
Speaker 1: Because the way it goes now, you go in, you

1778
01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:50,439
Speaker 1: say you've got pain, they give you pills, you say,

1779
01:45:50,479 --> 01:45:53,880
Speaker 1: I've got maybe maybe somewhat open minded doc will put

1780
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:57,160
Speaker 1: you through PT and and that will help a little bit. Uh.

1781
01:45:57,200 --> 01:46:00,320
Speaker 1: And I've had great success with different kinds of PT,

1782
01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:02,760
Speaker 1: but it's one of those you get out of it

1783
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:04,880
Speaker 1: what you put into its situations a lot of the time.

1784
01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:08,360
Speaker 1: So the PT success or failure is largely in your

1785
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:12,280
Speaker 1: hands in my in my opinion, but either this whole,

1786
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:15,040
Speaker 1: no one really gets into how I think we are

1787
01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:18,920
Speaker 1: now living longer, more active than ever before, asking more

1788
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:21,880
Speaker 1: from our bodies than ever before. We have a culture

1789
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:27,320
Speaker 1: that worships, uh, you know, youthful, healthy physique in every

1790
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:30,000
Speaker 1: aspect of life. You know, you're you're a desk warrior,

1791
01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:32,160
Speaker 1: or you know, you're a mom or dad raising kids

1792
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:34,760
Speaker 1: and you're still supposed to be able to like, you know,

1793
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:37,800
Speaker 1: walk around, do a handstand, you know, jump into a

1794
01:46:37,800 --> 01:46:41,799
Speaker 1: cross fit class, and there's wear and tear on our bodies,

1795
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:44,679
Speaker 1: and especially if you have a long term injury that

1796
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:49,439
Speaker 1: medicine can't really fix just yet, you're you're deal. You're

1797
01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:51,840
Speaker 1: paying the price for that all the time. And I

1798
01:46:52,720 --> 01:46:54,400
Speaker 1: try to stay away from pills as much as I

1799
01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:57,439
Speaker 1: possibly can. I do not take pain pills other than

1800
01:46:57,840 --> 01:46:59,960
Speaker 1: Adville or you know, Thailand all once in a while.

1801
01:47:00,760 --> 01:47:03,120
Speaker 1: But this is it's the main cause. I should note

1802
01:47:03,160 --> 01:47:05,559
Speaker 1: for disability. The number one cause for people to be

1803
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:09,200
Speaker 1: on disabilities chronic pain. And there are so many fields

1804
01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:13,040
Speaker 1: that do not receive the attention that that I believe

1805
01:47:13,120 --> 01:47:18,160
Speaker 1: they should. For example, the connectivity between psychological pain and

1806
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:22,120
Speaker 1: trauma and physical pain, actual physical pain, not psychosomatic. Oh

1807
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:25,840
Speaker 1: you know, I feel weird and so my hand hurts it. No. No,

1808
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:31,840
Speaker 1: I mean that people with uh bipolar disorder, people with

1809
01:47:31,880 --> 01:47:35,960
Speaker 1: severe depression, there are physical manifestations of that, and the

1810
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:39,559
Speaker 1: brain body connection is one of the places where we

1811
01:47:39,680 --> 01:47:43,360
Speaker 1: know it's there. But modern medicine hasn't really established yet

1812
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:46,719
Speaker 1: the depth of that connection, and it's not really able

1813
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:51,439
Speaker 1: to take particularly constructive steps with regard to it. So

1814
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:56,160
Speaker 1: I see connections to the opioid epidemic with chronic pain

1815
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:58,800
Speaker 1: in this country. I know there's actually a Netflix documentary

1816
01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:00,920
Speaker 1: out right now about Lady Gaga for those of you

1817
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:03,120
Speaker 1: who are Lady Gaga fans who I didn't know this,

1818
01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:08,720
Speaker 1: but she suffers from debilitating chronic pain. Uh. And I

1819
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:11,160
Speaker 1: just I want more of a conversation about this. I

1820
01:48:11,200 --> 01:48:13,720
Speaker 1: want people to feel like they can talk about it.

1821
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:16,479
Speaker 1: There's a lot of knowledge that I have picked up

1822
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:18,519
Speaker 1: from people who are like, look, you're not going to

1823
01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:20,560
Speaker 1: hear this from your doctor, or you're not going to

1824
01:48:20,680 --> 01:48:23,519
Speaker 1: hear this from you know, looking up web MD. But

1825
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:25,880
Speaker 1: here's my experience. You know, you get on some of

1826
01:48:25,880 --> 01:48:28,200
Speaker 1: these message boards. Now, I don't try anything that has

1827
01:48:28,240 --> 01:48:30,479
Speaker 1: a risk to it, but if someone's like, hey, you know,

1828
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:35,280
Speaker 1: maybe you can just work on PT for this part

1829
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:41,160
Speaker 1: this part, or you can do active exercises that are

1830
01:48:41,200 --> 01:48:43,280
Speaker 1: good for you, no matter what, it might help this area.

1831
01:48:43,640 --> 01:48:47,760
Speaker 1: Strengthening one of the biggest parts of dealing with chronic pain.

1832
01:48:47,800 --> 01:48:51,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I knew a girl years ago who had

1833
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:56,960
Speaker 1: terrible lower back pain, and she just became a maniac

1834
01:48:57,120 --> 01:49:02,160
Speaker 1: about uh cycling class uses and became a really devoted

1835
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:05,519
Speaker 1: h cyclist, I guess, and got a lot stronger and

1836
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:08,160
Speaker 1: a lot fitter, and her back pen went away. So

1837
01:49:08,760 --> 01:49:11,200
Speaker 1: there are definitely connections with all this stuff. But anyway,

1838
01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:13,120
Speaker 1: it's also a reminder if you're walking around, if you're

1839
01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:16,240
Speaker 1: listening to the show right now and nothing hurts, you

1840
01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:18,760
Speaker 1: don't have any pain anywhere physically in your body, which

1841
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:20,600
Speaker 1: I think is probably a vast majority of you. But

1842
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:23,240
Speaker 1: if you're listening and nothing hurts and you have no

1843
01:49:23,320 --> 01:49:27,240
Speaker 1: major injury, you are so blessed. I want to tell

1844
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:30,360
Speaker 1: you that you are a lucky person. Enjoy that. We'll

1845
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:34,640
Speaker 1: be right back. Welcome back, team. Sorry about the extended

1846
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:38,200
Speaker 1: discourse there on pain did make me think, though a

1847
01:49:38,200 --> 01:49:41,280
Speaker 1: little bit more about a funny exchange. Over the weekend,

1848
01:49:41,439 --> 01:49:45,920
Speaker 1: I had a dinner with my siblings, my brothers, my

1849
01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:48,839
Speaker 1: two brothers, my little sister, and my little sister's fiance.

1850
01:49:49,160 --> 01:49:51,680
Speaker 1: It was a sibling dinner plus future brother in law.

1851
01:49:51,720 --> 01:49:54,280
Speaker 1: Over the weekend. We had a great time, had some

1852
01:49:54,360 --> 01:49:58,439
Speaker 1: Greek food, but we were in a car, in a

1853
01:49:58,640 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 1: in a taxi on the on the way home. It

1854
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:03,400
Speaker 1: was actually an uber on the way home, and the

1855
01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:06,000
Speaker 1: driver heard us talk. I forget what we were talking about.

1856
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:09,560
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, he goes, if you have the colesterol,

1857
01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:12,559
Speaker 1: they take the apple cider vinegar and I rub it

1858
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:15,760
Speaker 1: and they drink. You put a little of water and

1859
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:19,080
Speaker 1: you drink and they no problem. Now you know, you

1860
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:21,640
Speaker 1: have no idea what country this guy is from. I

1861
01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:24,080
Speaker 1: think it would be former Soviet but I didn't ask.

1862
01:50:24,479 --> 01:50:26,760
Speaker 1: But I tell you, it makes the cure for all

1863
01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:29,280
Speaker 1: of the problem. You take the apple side of vinegar,

1864
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:32,519
Speaker 1: you rub it, you drink it. It burned a little,

1865
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:36,880
Speaker 1: but you know, elbow hurt. Apple cider vinegar had hurt.

1866
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:42,800
Speaker 1: Apple cider vinegar fit smell apple cider vinegar. We're all like,

1867
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:46,479
Speaker 1: thanks man, it sounds like it sounds like great stuff,

1868
01:50:46,479 --> 01:50:48,960
Speaker 1: this apple cider vinegar mixed with a little bit of water.

1869
01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:52,080
Speaker 1: I tell you, it changed the life. But yeah, he

1870
01:50:52,120 --> 01:50:54,680
Speaker 1: was a very friendly fellow. We appreciated the advice. But

1871
01:50:54,920 --> 01:50:58,840
Speaker 1: so everyone's got their ways that they handle stuff. And

1872
01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:01,519
Speaker 1: that was that was a little additional medical advice that

1873
01:51:01,560 --> 01:51:04,160
Speaker 1: I got our medical tip from over the weekend. I

1874
01:51:04,160 --> 01:51:06,760
Speaker 1: should know that I did make pulled pork. I put

1875
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:08,640
Speaker 1: some of the photos up on our videos up on

1876
01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:12,080
Speaker 1: Facebook dot com slash buck Sexton. The problem making pulled

1877
01:51:12,120 --> 01:51:13,840
Speaker 1: pork is when you see how much you make and

1878
01:51:13,880 --> 01:51:16,160
Speaker 1: then you see how quickly you eat it. It's a

1879
01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:19,880
Speaker 1: little uh. I went into a pork induced coma. I

1880
01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:25,439
Speaker 1: actually made eggs benedict and replaced the Canadian bacon with

1881
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:28,479
Speaker 1: pulled pork without barbecue sauce, which I can tell you

1882
01:51:28,520 --> 01:51:31,760
Speaker 1: all was an amazing move. Just give me all the

1883
01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:35,720
Speaker 1: bacon and eggs you have. Wait, wait, I worry. What

1884
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:38,280
Speaker 1: you just heard was give me a lot of bacon

1885
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:42,320
Speaker 1: and eggs. What I said was give me all the

1886
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:44,680
Speaker 1: bacon and eggs you have. But then I had to

1887
01:51:44,680 --> 01:51:49,760
Speaker 1: sort of lie down like sedated Brontosaurus and just go

1888
01:51:52,760 --> 01:51:55,400
Speaker 1: for like a couple of hours, because man, I went

1889
01:51:55,400 --> 01:51:57,680
Speaker 1: after Harvard. Yeah, pulled pork. Thank you for all your

1890
01:51:57,720 --> 01:52:00,360
Speaker 1: advice on that. Next time, I will sear it before

1891
01:52:00,479 --> 01:52:02,760
Speaker 1: I slow cook it. That helps help lock in a

1892
01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:04,160
Speaker 1: little more the flavor. I got a lot of your

1893
01:52:04,200 --> 01:52:05,880
Speaker 1: tips on that, but had a great time with the

1894
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:09,440
Speaker 1: slow cooker. But food was amazing. Pulled pork is obviously phenomenal,

1895
01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:13,519
Speaker 1: and the kitchen was super messy because the Clean Police

1896
01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:17,200
Speaker 1: a k a. Ms Molly not here to enforce the

1897
01:52:17,240 --> 01:52:22,040
Speaker 1: strict rules about our super clean kitchen area. So more

1898
01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:25,200
Speaker 1: slow cooking adventures coming soon. Thank you all for your tips,

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