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Speaker 4: Justin Fast Politics and Fast Economics, Molly.
Speaker 1: There were so many things this week that I wanted
Speaker 1: to call you and ask you about, but I thought
Speaker 1: I shouldn't. I should wait and have you on the
Speaker 1: podcast so that everyone could benefit from your knowledge.
Speaker 3: I'm here for you, mate, exactly.
Speaker 1: But the first thing I want you to explain to
Speaker 1: us about is these adjustments to numbers. So I want
Speaker 1: you to explain to us what they mean, what they are,
Speaker 1: and are they nefarious in any way.
Speaker 4: I'm going to lead with they're not nefarious. I'm going
Speaker 4: to follow up with a compliment, which is my word.
Speaker 4: You've gone deeply wonky when you want to talk about
Speaker 4: revisions to non farm payrolls. There was a time when
Speaker 4: I was considered one key for knowing about this.
Speaker 1: But I've seen a lot of revisions to non farm payrolls,
Speaker 1: a lot of revisions, and so that's why I wanted.
Speaker 4: To Molly, You're going to lose your whole audience if
Speaker 4: we talk about revisions to nonfirm payrolls. Let me just
Speaker 4: explain for the audience, Okay, yes, please. Measuring the economy
Speaker 4: is hard, right. We only get the opportunity to do
Speaker 4: it in a really complete way. Say how many Americans are?
Speaker 4: They once every ten years with the census. When we're
Speaker 4: trying to measure how many jobs there are, we do
Speaker 4: something quite similar. We count up all of the unemployment
Speaker 4: insurance records and look across the entire government for every
Speaker 4: record we have of every company and who they're employing.
Speaker 4: But we only do that rarely and with a delay
Speaker 4: because it takes so much time and work. So the
Speaker 4: numbers that we get every month you see them reported
Speaker 4: on the news, are basically an estimate, and then every
Speaker 4: year what we do is we go back and correct
Speaker 4: them once we have this better, fuller count. That recently
Speaker 4: happened and it said that the US economy had fewer
Speaker 4: jobs than the initial estimate had suggested. Not enough, fewer.
Speaker 4: It dramatically changed our view of the economy, but enough
Speaker 4: that nerds like me should care, not enough that vibrant
Speaker 4: media personalities like you should. This is a very normal thing.
Speaker 4: It happened under Trump, it happens under Biden. It's happened
Speaker 4: since time immemorial. The size of this revision was normal,
Speaker 4: the process of this revision was normal. But because the
Speaker 4: world we live in is abnormal, some political talking heads thought,
Speaker 4: once you say a number, that number must always be
Speaker 4: your best estimate, and you can never take account of
Speaker 4: anything that's true. And if the Bureau of Labor Statistics,
Speaker 4: which is full of nerds who have no political interest.
Speaker 4: Change is their best estimate of a number, It must
Speaker 4: be because of blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, really, it's not one point, ye're gon.
Speaker 4: Well, there's just way less here than meets the eye.
Speaker 4: I know people at the Bureau of Labor Statistics. I
Speaker 4: know that if there were interference, they would be at
Speaker 4: a minimum whispering to people like me and at a
Speaker 4: maximum resigning and leaking legacif so, the economic numbers that
Speaker 4: come from the US government, and I want to be clear,
Speaker 4: under Trump and under Biden and under every previous president
Speaker 4: are reliable. I'm not saying every number is always reliable,
Speaker 4: but they're honestly collected and they write down the rules
Speaker 4: of the game for how are they going to do
Speaker 4: it before they do it, and they follow the rules
Speaker 4: of the game, and if they ever were to deviate
Speaker 4: from that, I would be the first to yell bloomer,
Speaker 4: as would the staff. You can just believe the numbers.
Speaker 1: Right, I think that's really important. So what you're saying
Speaker 1: is that these are non partisan workers in the federal government.
Speaker 4: These are the nerdiest nerds. They're beautiful people who cared
Speaker 4: deeply about the truth and wrote down the rules of
Speaker 4: how they would do this in advance and simply followed
Speaker 4: those rules. And this was business as normal. And by
Speaker 4: the way, the numbers were bad for the team that
Speaker 4: I cheer for, but I still am confident they're the
Speaker 4: right numbers released the not the right No number is
Speaker 4: ever right right. What statistical agencies do is they try
Speaker 4: and make their numbers less wrong.
Speaker 3: That's a good point.
Speaker 4: That's what a revision is. And this was totally normal.
Speaker 4: So look, it's that silly season where in a for
Speaker 4: some reason every year in the Olympic years, just after
Speaker 4: the Olympics finished, people start saying silly things about the
Speaker 4: economy and politics. I haven't figured out why, but that
Speaker 4: silly season. We're in the middle of it.
Speaker 3: Really interesting silly season. We're in the middle of it.
Speaker 1: Now, explain to me where we are right now with
Speaker 1: the economy.
Speaker 4: We're good, not quite great, but good. So one thing
Speaker 4: that's important to remember. You'll hear different things about the
Speaker 4: economy because people are talking about different things. So there's
Speaker 4: the level where are we there's the rate of change,
Speaker 4: where are we going? And then there's the rate of
Speaker 4: change of the rate of change, are we accelerating or not?
Speaker 4: So where are we? Inflation is now two points something percent.
Speaker 4: Just before the pandemic, inflation was two points something percent
Speaker 4: in English. Inflation is normal. May not feel like it
Speaker 4: because it only just got back down to normal, but
Speaker 4: it's normal. Unemployment it's at four and a bit percent.
Speaker 4: It's been as low as three and a bit percent.
Speaker 4: That's low. It's not quite a fifty year low, but
Speaker 4: it's really close, so that's pretty good. Wages are growing.
Speaker 4: They're growing faster than prices, and wages have grown by
Speaker 4: more since the pandemic than prices did. So as much
Speaker 4: as we all hate what's happened at the grocery store,
Speaker 4: for most Americans, they're purchasing power has kept up and
Speaker 4: in fact better than that. Wage growth has been strongest
Speaker 4: for those who needed at most, those at the bottom.
Speaker 4: That is really new in its new news. So people
Speaker 4: may not feel great about the economy, but that's because
Speaker 4: we've always it's something we always want to be a
Speaker 4: little bit better. But in terms of the objective numbers,
Speaker 4: things are okay now. The other thing is the economy
Speaker 4: is getting back to normal. We've had three years of
Speaker 4: just extraordinary numbers because of the recovery from the pandemic. Right,
Speaker 4: so things are improving, but they're improving at a normal rate.
Speaker 4: Previously they were improving at a spectacular rate. And so
Speaker 4: for what you did, as you moved from the level
Speaker 4: to the rate of change, you'd say, oh, the rate
Speaker 4: of change is not as good as it previously was.
Speaker 4: That's right. That's an economy getting back to normal though,
Speaker 4: And that's okay.
Speaker 1: Right, really interesting and important. So explain to us what
Speaker 1: that looks like, kind of in the sort of like
Speaker 1: will those other will the will prices come down?
Speaker 3: And also like Parris has a price gouging kind.
Speaker 1: Of she wants to enact some kind of anti price
Speaker 1: gouging parlor.
Speaker 3: See, do you think a that that's doable?
Speaker 1: Be that price gouging is happening, and to see that
Speaker 1: this is the way to do it.
Speaker 4: I want to talk directly to our listeners here, and
Speaker 4: I'm going to really take you to task him.
Speaker 5: Molly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been doing this quite a lot recently. I
Speaker 4: was on Seeing in the other day and they sort
Speaker 4: of said so. Looking at Harris's policies, page seventeen, sub
Speaker 4: Section two, footnote three. I'm really worried it won't work
Speaker 4: very well. So what I think we should all and
Speaker 4: this is not just about you and me, because I
Speaker 4: think ultimately we have a part of an audience here
Speaker 4: right right. The election is not going to be one
Speaker 4: by talking heads like you and me. It's going to
Speaker 4: be one in real conversations around dinner tables. So the
Speaker 4: advice I want to give your listeners is, let's not
Speaker 4: spend time defending sub section thirty two footnote three hand back.
Speaker 4: The question is what are we going to do about
Speaker 4: the cost of living? That's what this price gouging thing
Speaker 4: is about. Harris has a plan. You could like it,
Speaker 4: you can dislike it. Trump's plan he announced, don't mean
Speaker 4: his big economic speech last week. Do you know what
Speaker 4: it is?
Speaker 3: Tariffs witch our inflationary.
Speaker 4: It's actually even better than that. Here's his plan, literally
Speaker 4: what he said. He said in my first week, I'm
Speaker 4: going to sign an executive order directing all my cabinet
Speaker 4: secretaries to come back with me for ideas on how
Speaker 4: to get inflation done.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: That's the plan. I'm going to call some guys right right,
Speaker 4: and I'm going to ask them to come up with ideas.
Speaker 4: That's his plan. That's the level of seriousness of the
Speaker 4: economic debate that we're getting from that side of politics.
Speaker 4: I'm going to call a guy after the election. I'm
Speaker 4: going to call twelve guys after the election and ask
Speaker 4: him how to do it. That's my policy. So that's
Speaker 4: not a plan, that's a process. The guys had four
Speaker 4: years in the political wilderness to come up with here's
Speaker 4: how I would solve cost of living problems, and he's
Speaker 4: come up with I'm going to call some guys, so
Speaker 4: I think that's worth noting. And then the reality is
Speaker 4: the only serious policy the guy has announced is.
Speaker 3: Tariffs, right, which are inflationary.
Speaker 4: Tent across the board, tariff on all imported goods. And
Speaker 4: then he says a tariff is not attacks, and don't worry,
Speaker 4: the Chinese will pay it. Turns out I know some
Speaker 4: Chinese manufacturers, and if you say to them, if your
Speaker 4: costs raised by a dollar, what will you do to
Speaker 4: your prices? We leave them the same and eat the
Speaker 4: cost of that tax, or you raise your prices thereby
Speaker 4: passing it on to American consumers. They all say the latter, right,
Speaker 4: of course, And in fact that's what they did with
Speaker 4: the last set of Trump tariffs. This is not a
Speaker 4: tax on China and other countries. It's a tax on
Speaker 4: your listeners, Every imported good we buy is going to
Speaker 4: have a much higher tax on it. Moreover, what stops
Speaker 4: American corporations from raising their prices often it's the forces
Speaker 4: of competition. So in fact, when Trump raised tariffs on
Speaker 4: washing machines a few years ago, the price of foreign
Speaker 4: washing machines went up. But you know what else happened.
Speaker 4: American washing machine companies raise their prices.
Speaker 3: Just as much because they could.
Speaker 4: Because they could, So we know what this does to
Speaker 4: the cost of living. It's all going to get passed through.
Speaker 4: It's inflationary. So anything you didn't like from the last
Speaker 4: four years, you're getting it again.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I mean I think that's a really important point.
Speaker 1: And again, look, there is an American manufacturing issue, right,
Speaker 1: but if you're going to talk about American manufacturing, then
Speaker 1: you should talk about the largest boon to American manufacturing,
Speaker 1: which was a Chips to Act, right.
Speaker 4: Not just that. The Chips Act is about high skill manufacturing,
Speaker 4: quality jobs. And interesting thing is, look, I'm not a
Speaker 4: big fan of this. People on both sides of politics
Speaker 4: are all about trying to rescue manufacturing jobs. And I'm
Speaker 4: just going to give you my bourgeois view. I've been
Speaker 4: to a factory. I don't really want my kid to
Speaker 4: work in one. I don't know what's so cool about
Speaker 4: manufacturing relative to teaching, or research and development, or tourism
Speaker 4: or hospitality or all of the million other jobs in
Speaker 4: the world. Well, it used to be that there was
Speaker 4: a reason to care of manufacturing, which was these were
Speaker 4: high wage jobs. That's not true anymore. Manufacturing jobs now
Speaker 4: have lower average wages than the rest of the economy.
Speaker 4: So if we spend more time growing that sector, or
Speaker 4: actually growing a low wage sector rather than the high
Speaker 4: wage sector. So I'm not in love with this idea,
Speaker 4: but that you're a right to say the Chips Act
Speaker 4: at least is pushing us on the right end of manufacturing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean part of the Chips Act, and
Speaker 1: part of why this manufacturing needed to be in the
Speaker 1: United States was because when the pandemic came, and you know,
Speaker 1: we don't know that we'll have another pandemic, but it
Speaker 1: certainly showed us the many supply chain problems that America had.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 4: And so I hope you'll join me, Molly. I'm going
Speaker 4: to be anti pandemic. That's my decision.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think with the chips manufacturing in
Speaker 1: the United States, part of that was anxiety about China
Speaker 1: going to war with Taiwan.
Speaker 4: There are so many issues there, including many above my
Speaker 4: pay grade.
Speaker 3: Yes, and mine too.
Speaker 1: I have to say, I try really hard to stay
Speaker 1: out of foreign policy stuff because it is so complicated
Speaker 1: and there are so many factors that I'm not completely
Speaker 1: read in on, which is sort of me quite well.
Speaker 4: Hey, Mollie, can we get back to this. I don't
Speaker 4: want to hijack. You might have great questions.
Speaker 3: No, please hijack.
Speaker 4: Let's practice. It's Thanksgiving and you're sitting around the table
Speaker 4: and your uncle says something something something about the economy.
Speaker 4: I want you to think about, what is it you're
Speaker 4: going to say back next now, because you're going to
Speaker 4: win your uncle over, but maybe your cousin's there as well.
Speaker 4: How we and our audience can talk about the economy
Speaker 4: in more direct personal ways, because I think that's so
Speaker 4: important that we'll win to do that.
Speaker 6: See.
Speaker 1: I mean what I would say, and what I have
Speaker 1: thought about this is that you know, America struggles with inflation,
Speaker 1: but much much, much less than other wealthy countries. So
Speaker 1: part of what's happened is that, actually the proof that
Speaker 1: Bynomics has worked is that America doesn't have the inflation
Speaker 1: that Now Britain is obviously a different thing, and Trump
Speaker 1: is in Britain, we're able to get Brexit passed, and
Speaker 1: so they did in fact sanction themselves in the UK.
Speaker 1: But even in Italy and France and Germany and other
Speaker 1: countries still have higher rates of inflation than America does.
Speaker 1: And that's because, you know, the Biden administration pumped a
Speaker 1: lot of money into this economy and that actually turned
Speaker 1: out to not be inflationary.
Speaker 4: Great, so let's be even simpler, right, So it turns
Speaker 4: out I just watched the Olympics. You can win Olympic
Speaker 4: gold without setting a world record. All you got to
Speaker 4: do is be better than the other folks, because sometimes
Speaker 4: like it's rainy and it's you know, that slows you down.
Speaker 4: In the economic Olympics, the US has lower inflation than
Speaker 4: almost all our competitives. We've had faster economic growth since
Speaker 4: the pandemic than almost all of our competitives. So as
Speaker 4: much as you may not like what's happened. It happened
Speaker 4: all around the world, and it happened less badly here
Speaker 4: gold for America.
Speaker 1: You know, America tends to be very America centric. And
Speaker 1: so right now Trump is running on this idea that
Speaker 1: somehow inflation was Biden's fault and that and even I've
Speaker 1: heard them say that, even that the you know, chips
Speaker 1: they can't you know, they don't call it chips because
Speaker 1: you know, but they've said biinomics was inflationary.
Speaker 3: Which it wasn't.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of anxiety when there's started that
Speaker 1: bidnomics may was actually inflationary. I mean, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of worries that we were going to go into
Speaker 1: a recession.
Speaker 3: Can you talk to us about this soft landing we're
Speaker 3: in one?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, your beauty, isn't this fabulous? And so
Speaker 4: that's part of what I mean about the Economic Olympics,
Speaker 4: which is we had high inflation. It did occur, it's
Speaker 4: now behind us. It's important that people understand the reality.
Speaker 4: Grocery prices haven't risen a penny in six months they
Speaker 4: were rising, they haven't risen anymore. Inflation did hit crazy
Speaker 4: levels nine percent, it's back down to normal, and it's
Speaker 4: going to continue. It looks like it's going to continue
Speaker 4: to fall. So again, just very simple stories here that
Speaker 4: what you feel and what you're hearing in the media
Speaker 4: environment may not always be right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's really important, and I also think
Speaker 1: that it is important to sort of pull back and
Speaker 1: look at the fundamentals of actually the Biden administration has
Speaker 1: done a lot of really good stuff, even voters you know,
Speaker 1: the polling shows that voters.
Speaker 3: Are mad at them.
Speaker 1: Harris is I think more pro business than Biden. You know,
Speaker 1: she comes from California, she's worked hard with Silken Valley,
Speaker 1: and she's also younger, right, so she comes from a
Speaker 1: different generation that's a little bit more pro business. I
Speaker 1: think Biden was a kind of from an older generation
Speaker 1: where it was more of a choice, whereas I think
Speaker 1: Harris feels she can sort of, you know, solve all
Speaker 1: these problems together. Do you think that's right, and tell
Speaker 1: me where you are on that.
Speaker 4: I think that's right. I think I'm not confident that
Speaker 4: that's right. I think you and I reading the tea
Speaker 4: leaves a little bit. But I want to draw a
Speaker 4: distinction that I think is important, and I really reinforce
Speaker 4: this to my students, economists are not pro business. We're
Speaker 4: pro markets. It's because we believe the forces of competition
Speaker 4: are what pushed greater innovation, and they push businesses to
Speaker 4: deliver the low prices that mean you and I can
Speaker 4: afford to get by. It's pro competition that, if you
Speaker 4: want to use the language of economics, that's what one
Speaker 4: to be. Now that's an important distinction because Trump is
Speaker 4: pro business. And the thing about being pro business is
Speaker 4: you're about helping existing businesses. But to misuse terminology, there's
Speaker 4: the unborn businesses. There's the small businesses that are yet
Speaker 4: to be started. There's the new ideas and the new
Speaker 4: innovations that lay somewhere down the track, and it's the
Speaker 4: forces of competition that are really going to help them, right, right, right.
Speaker 4: And so you might feel, oh, a business guy is
Speaker 4: the right thing. That's not right. It's a competition person
Speaker 4: that you want. And that's where I think Harris is
Speaker 4: really stepping up to the plate. It's actually a very
Speaker 4: very strongly pro economics thing. To be pro competition.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I think what you're saying is really important
Speaker 1: because trump Ism is not pro business. They're pro crony capitalism.
Speaker 4: Pro existing businesses, and often at yours in my expense. Right,
Speaker 4: so let's give our mates big tax breaks. Well, if
Speaker 4: they're not paying the taxes, we are right exactly when
Speaker 4: they decide that they will s hought inefficient companies and
Speaker 4: make you and I pay higher tariff so those companies
Speaker 4: can stay in business. That helps that business, but it
Speaker 4: hurts you and I. It hurts our purchasing power. There's
Speaker 4: a range of issues where he is. In fact, I'm
Speaker 4: willing to say pro business, but that's not pro market,
Speaker 4: pro competition, pro worker, or pro consumer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell us why unions are good for capitalism.
Speaker 4: Look, there's two things unions do. When you have a
Speaker 4: really healthy relationship between a union and a work and
Speaker 4: the bosses, then the unions can help take all of
Speaker 4: the understanding and insights of how a company works from
Speaker 4: the shop floor and communicate that to management, and therefore
Speaker 4: the factory makes more pies. And that's not true in
Speaker 4: every industry in the United States. It's much more true,
Speaker 4: for instance, in Germany. But it actually can help the
Speaker 4: bus as much as it helps the workers, and so
Speaker 4: it enlarges the size of the pie. The second thing
Speaker 4: is what unions do is they try to make sure
Speaker 4: that workers get a fair slice of the pie. And
Speaker 4: in the United States, over the part last forty years,
Speaker 4: for many workers, their real wages were barely moving. We
Speaker 4: had tremendous economic growth, and working class folks weren't getting
Speaker 4: their fair share. And so when I see unions standing
Speaker 4: up for that, I think it helps the whole project.
Speaker 4: It helps people share in the fruits of many of
Speaker 4: these reforms, which are quite painful. So I think asking
Speaker 4: the working class to bear all the pain of economic
Speaker 4: reform but not giving them some of the benefit undermines
Speaker 4: the possibility that we can reinvent the economy. And so
Speaker 4: my pitch for unions is when they're helping the working
Speaker 4: class get their fair share, that's fantastic. And sometimes they
Speaker 4: can also help the bosses in a way that will
Speaker 4: make the whole factory run a little.
Speaker 3: Smarter, interesting and so important. Thank you, Thank you, justin.
Speaker 4: Always a pleasure, Maley.
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Speaker 7: in the wheel in his brain turning things Like the
Speaker 7: first thing that popped into his mind of what to
Speaker 7: call me was a smurf. There there's like so many
Speaker 7: other ones to go long.
Speaker 1: It's been since the Smurfs have been on television, Like
Speaker 1: how old is James Comer?
Speaker 7: First of all, as it was happening, I was like,
Speaker 7: oh yeah, James, talk to me, dirty, keep keep keep going,
Speaker 7: because I was like, this is a gift.
Speaker 3: Right, I'm a freshman.
Speaker 7: I'm a freshman, you're the chairman you have And then
Speaker 7: he literally goes stop the clock and I'm like, we're
Speaker 7: getting more time.
Speaker 3: This is amazing.
Speaker 1: So he is the most impeachable president ever, but they
Speaker 1: don't want to have a vote.
Speaker 3: Why the evidence is so good. It's so good?
Speaker 1: Was Comer confused by switching to even though he had
Speaker 1: the entire Republican party had deemed Joe Biden too old
Speaker 1: when Democrats actually decided that Joe Biden should not have
Speaker 1: to run for another term, and not even and when
Speaker 1: Joe Biden decided that Joe Biden should not have to
Speaker 1: run for another term and his vice president, the heir apparent,
Speaker 1: the person who was also on the ticket, decided to run.
Speaker 3: Was James Comer surprised.
Speaker 7: Well, first of all, I can't believe that the Republicans
Speaker 7: have not been able to figure this out over the
Speaker 7: last thirty days. First of all, one of their key
Speaker 7: messages was that Joe Biden is half dead and the
Speaker 7: president is gonna be Kamala. That was literally they were
Speaker 7: running ads that literally was like this is who's gonna
Speaker 7: be in charge? And then it happened and they were
Speaker 7: like shit, they have totally not been able to figure
Speaker 7: it out. Like I'm looking at Trump's strategy, He's gone
Speaker 7: from she's not black to I'm better looking than.
Speaker 6: Kamala, which is a weird thing.
Speaker 7: Like an alpha male walking around going you like, see
Speaker 7: that woman over there, I'm totally better looking than HER's.
Speaker 1: Also like that sometimes he's like she's so beautiful, Like again,
Speaker 1: what is that different?
Speaker 7: But like, here's the thing. I was just thinking to myself,
Speaker 7: like what world do we live in? That when Trump
Speaker 7: was talking about the late great Hannibal elector, he was
Speaker 7: actually winning? Yeah, like that was that was the platform
Speaker 7: that was actually winning. Right, Like like I know I'm
Speaker 7: not his advisor, but maybe get back to that, perhaps,
Speaker 7: you know, because because that was going well, But no, Comer,
Speaker 7: listen to what Comber's doing.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 7: Comber he drops this report on Biden most impeachable President ever.
Speaker 7: And I really think they did that because now they're
Speaker 7: turning their attention to Tim Walls. Have you heard the latest?
Speaker 7: Tim Walls is a secret Chinese agent. Okay, He's a
Speaker 7: secret Chinese agent, which to me is just unbelievably amazing.
Speaker 7: It's amazing because I don't know, when you like to
Speaker 7: look at Tim and his wife and the family, like.
Speaker 3: You don't they just totally reek of president.
Speaker 7: She picking these people to be the to be the
Speaker 7: undercover Chinese agent.
Speaker 1: I mean came to She's attention in Nebraska when he
Speaker 1: was growing up, right, I mean it just and and
Speaker 1: it forgets the fact that one of Comer's entire pieces
Speaker 1: of evidence against Joe Biden crumbled when we found out
Speaker 1: he was listening to an indicted spy who was a
Speaker 1: former Chinese agent. Then I want to also go back
Speaker 1: to Comber's moment when his witness, his star witness, ended
Speaker 1: up in jail.
Speaker 7: No, no, he testified from jail. He didn't wind up
Speaker 7: in jail. He was already there. And Comer was like, Okay, look,
Speaker 7: we've had one Chinese spy, we've had another one go
Speaker 7: completely missing. Okay, remember that he's we've lost our informant. Okay,
Speaker 7: They're like, who who else could we get to really
Speaker 7: bolster our case? Is anyone in prison available? And you
Speaker 7: can't make this up. I spoke to the Kentucky delegation
Speaker 7: this morning. They begged me to come. It was the
Speaker 7: only state I said yes to other than Florida. Wait why,
Speaker 7: I wanted to thank them? I said, I know none
Speaker 7: of you in the room voted for James Comer, but
Speaker 7: thank you for sending him to Congress. You have done
Speaker 7: America a deep service. In fact, he should be in
Speaker 7: charge of five committees.
Speaker 3: Comer, the House, what's it like? Right now.
Speaker 1: So you guys are coming back, not next week, but
Speaker 1: the week when August is over. We got three weeks
Speaker 1: right when your vacations, when you're long.
Speaker 3: August and October. Yes, but you guys are going to
Speaker 3: come back.
Speaker 1: And part of the House, the Freedom Caucus, or as
Speaker 1: we like to think of them, the Genius Club, have
Speaker 1: already threatened to shut out.
Speaker 7: It's people that were turned down from MENSA.
Speaker 1: They've already threatened to shut down the government already.
Speaker 7: I think that's actually a real threat. Okay from them,
Speaker 7: I think I think that's a real threat, and I
Speaker 7: actually think it's freedom adjacent. I think there'll be some
Speaker 7: other people of freedom plus whichever. Yeah, I think there'll
Speaker 7: be some other people that join them. The Speaker is
Speaker 7: going to have to decide whether he wants to make
Speaker 7: another deal with Hakim, which is what we've had to
Speaker 7: do in the past, right to keep the government open.
Speaker 7: I don't think that it's in Trump's benefit. Are you
Speaker 7: to close the government.
Speaker 1: On the government a month before the election? Democrats could
Speaker 1: not ask for.
Speaker 7: That's right, And so I think if Trump gives him
Speaker 7: the clear to go make the deal, Trump will that
Speaker 7: can protect him at the end which is what Trump
Speaker 7: did against Marjorie, against that whole thing. He protected him
Speaker 7: from Marjorie trying to take him out. I mean, look,
Speaker 7: I don't know her personally. Committee No, but why I'm
Speaker 7: on a committee with her, but I don't know her
Speaker 7: personally because she is the worst member of Congress.
Speaker 3: Did she show up for any of the No, she's there.
Speaker 7: Oh we know when she's there.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, we get our we get a Ouiji board
Speaker 7: out when she shows up.
Speaker 8: Okay.
Speaker 3: But do you think they could shut down the government.
Speaker 7: I think it's a real threat, and it's really about
Speaker 7: how much wiggle room Johnson has to make the deal
Speaker 7: with Akim Kam's ready to give the votes. We've shown
Speaker 7: we're ready to be the adults in the room. We've
Speaker 7: done it before. We did it not with somebody. We
Speaker 7: did it with the debt ceiling, and we've done it
Speaker 7: several times by keeping the government open. And so so
Speaker 7: long as he knows that Trump has his back, so
Speaker 7: it's up to Trump, then then that that deal will happen.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine a Republican party where they're giving this
Speaker 1: much power to their candidate.
Speaker 7: I mean, that's where it's at. And can you imagine
Speaker 7: a scenario which we were going towards. We're not there now.
Speaker 7: I don't think there's any scenario. And what I'm about
Speaker 7: to say is where we would wind up. But a
Speaker 7: month ago, it was possible where Trump would win, he
Speaker 7: would have both houses. That scenario was very alive. It's
Speaker 7: not alive anymore. He could still win, We should be
Speaker 7: very serious about that. It's halftime at the moment. He
Speaker 7: could still win. But him winning and having both houses
Speaker 7: I don't think is plausible. It was a month ago,
Speaker 7: and that's where Trump would have been in charge of
Speaker 7: both the Senate and the House. There would have been
Speaker 7: no autonomy at all, and.
Speaker 1: They probably would have shut down the government, though they
Speaker 1: did do that once before to great effect.
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Speaker 5: You're welcome.
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Speaker 2: Jared Poulis is the governor of Colorado.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to Fast Politics, Governor.
Speaker 9: Polus excited to be here in Chicago.
Speaker 1: It's funny because you're the governor of Colorado. I always
Speaker 1: think of you as like someone who's doing cool, weird,
Speaker 1: counterintuitive stuff in your state.
Speaker 3: Tell us about some of that stuff.
Speaker 5: Oh gosh, I mean Colorado.
Speaker 9: Those are good adjectives to describe us, you know, weird, counterintuitive,
Speaker 9: for innovative. I'd say, you know, there's a lot going
Speaker 9: on in that area. One of those our voters shows
Speaker 9: to legalize magic mushrooms some sill in. So we are
Speaker 9: working on setting up kind of how we're going to
Speaker 9: make sure that you know, the spas that do this
Speaker 9: are safe and they'll be safer, you know. Right now,
Speaker 9: people go to like you know, Mexico, Columbia, they do
Speaker 9: this stuff and I know people who've done that, and
Speaker 9: there's a lot of promise around helping to end opioid
Speaker 9: dependency and example, break the cycle depression. So Colorado will
Speaker 9: be kind of deplace in the United States where it's
Speaker 9: safe and and we make sure that people are trained.
Speaker 9: So that's one of those things I think in that
Speaker 9: vein that we're working on implementing.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, I'm sober since I was nineteen,
Speaker 1: and I wonder how much you guys, because you're a
Speaker 1: state that's sort of known for legalized marijuana and a
Speaker 1: lot of recreational sports, what you guys do on this
Speaker 1: sort of sobriety side.
Speaker 3: To compliment that, did you say recreational sports?
Speaker 9: Yeah, sports, we're very like reach of the lowest obesity
Speaker 9: rate in the country.
Speaker 5: Drug sport, well, not together, I think.
Speaker 9: But you know, it's about respecting freedom and people's ability
Speaker 9: to choose how they live their own lives. I mean,
Speaker 9: I have you know, some people, and I like you,
Speaker 9: I don't drink or do that, but like some people
Speaker 9: want to enjoy beers with a you know, Monday night
Speaker 9: football sunder that football game. And others want to smoke
Speaker 9: joints on the weekend, and some people want to hang
Speaker 9: off of rocks.
Speaker 5: I don't do that either.
Speaker 9: I mean, they climb up on these rocks and they
Speaker 9: hang and sleep in a little hammock.
Speaker 5: If they roll the wrong way, they die. But it's
Speaker 5: up to them.
Speaker 9: I mean, we just have freedom in Colorado and we
Speaker 9: celebrate that different strokes for different folks.
Speaker 3: You think that's a winning message for Democrats.
Speaker 9: Absolutely, I mean I like the way Tim Wallas puts it.
Speaker 9: You know, mind your own damn business, right, Like, this
Speaker 9: isn't the government's decision to make everybody gets to live
Speaker 9: their own lives, be true to themselves, pursue their own
Speaker 9: you know, success in their own terms, and that can
Speaker 9: mean whatever it means in Colorado. The free State of
Speaker 9: Colorado is a place where you can, you can, you know,
Speaker 9: be who you are and celebrate.
Speaker 1: That you came to Colorado. It was sort of a
Speaker 1: purple state. You were involved in flipping it blue. How
Speaker 1: do you guys do that?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 9: Look, I mean Colorado is the plurality of our voters.
Speaker 9: The biggest group is unaffiliated, and that'll actually be a
Speaker 9: majority very soon, it's like forty eight percent, it'll probably
Speaker 9: be fifty percent neither Democrat nor Republican very very soon. So,
Speaker 9: I mean, it's what I like to say is it's
Speaker 9: kind of on loan. It's not that either side kind
Speaker 9: of has that. If the Republicans put up attractive candidates
Speaker 9: that are pro freedom, of course they could win.
Speaker 5: But they haven't been.
Speaker 9: They've been putting up candidates that are very you know,
Speaker 9: anti freedom, big government, restrictive control of people do and
Speaker 9: Democrats have really stayed on the message of making sure
Speaker 9: we empower people to live their own lives.
Speaker 1: There are these Western states that Democrats have lost. I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: like Wyoming, Montana. Perhaps we will see what happens in
Speaker 1: that ten race. Do you think your secret sauce is
Speaker 1: transferable to those states?
Speaker 3: And what should Democrats be doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Absolutely, I think I think that pro freedom message and
Speaker 9: obviously choice is part of that productive health. Obviously people
Speaker 9: should be free to make their own reproductive health decisions.
Speaker 9: Some of the most intimac decisions we make about when
Speaker 9: and if to have children. That's entirely your business, not
Speaker 9: the government's business. That resonates well in the West, in
Speaker 9: the whole country. But I think that's a winning message
Speaker 9: for the Nevadas and Arizonas of the world, which are
Speaker 9: going to be front and center the selection cycle, as
Speaker 9: well as for the Montanas of the world.
Speaker 1: Do you think there's a world where I mean, like
Speaker 1: Wyoming is such a small population, I mean, are there
Speaker 1: worlds in which a state like that could flip to
Speaker 1: Democrats are using That's unlikely.
Speaker 9: I think what we're seeing in Colorado with soon to
Speaker 9: be a majority independent, this is happening nationally. I mean,
Speaker 9: both parties are losing membership, especially among young people under thirty.
Speaker 9: It's already a strong majority that are unaffiliated Independent, And yeah,
Speaker 9: in a state like Wyoming, again, with the right candidate,
Speaker 9: you can make that case and say, hey, look, people
Speaker 9: are shopping around for who's going to be best for
Speaker 9: their future, who's going to protect their freedom. They're not
Speaker 9: wedded to the Republicans or Democrats or not pulling the
Speaker 9: lever who are or the candidates are? They really want
Speaker 9: to know who the folks are that are that are
Speaker 9: coming forward and what their ideas are.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of anxiety at this convention
Speaker 1: for good reason. We all remember twenty sixteen. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of exuberance and joy because we all remember two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight. But you know, there's an Obama level
Speaker 1: sense here. But I wonder, do you think there's a
Speaker 1: world like do you ever sort of pause and think
Speaker 1: like there's a world where she just walks away.
Speaker 3: With it and it's a landslide?
Speaker 5: I hope?
Speaker 6: So, right, I hope.
Speaker 3: So this is going to be a grind.
Speaker 9: I mean, this is coming down to a few votes
Speaker 9: in the seventh states. If something breaks our way and
Speaker 9: somehow we win those states, Handling and Nashley, that's great.
Speaker 9: Everybody's got to work like this will be decided by
Speaker 9: just a handful of.
Speaker 5: Votes in these key swing states.
Speaker 9: So we're gonna leave nothing on the you know, nothing
Speaker 9: on the field. Put it all out there. I mean,
Speaker 9: these are delegates, These are the hardcore folks.
Speaker 5: These are the folks.
Speaker 9: Going door to door, They're making calls, they're rallying the volunteers.
Speaker 9: They are volunteers, and you know, it's going to be
Speaker 9: a fight over the next few weeks to get.
Speaker 5: The vote up.
Speaker 1: Last night, President Obama talked about how it was possible
Speaker 1: that Republicans, if the election were close, would cheat or
Speaker 1: try to overturn the election, or try to throw out votes,
Speaker 1: or any number of the things Trump actually tried in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. It seemed normal at the time for him
Speaker 1: to say that, but it is profound for someone who
Speaker 1: is such an institutionalist and such a serious person to
Speaker 1: say this. It really means that it's a real, true
Speaker 1: threat in the way that a lot of us have thought,
Speaker 1: how worried are you about that? And also how insane
Speaker 1: is that that that's a real worry In twenty twenty.
Speaker 9: Four, well, and you even have Donald Trump attacking the
Speaker 9: city and governor of Georgia of his own party, where
Speaker 9: I guess presumably the grievances include the governor's reluctance to
Speaker 9: try to manipulate the election to favor Donald Trump. I
Speaker 9: have confidence the election integrity of the country, certainly Colorado
Speaker 9: speak for the first ten knowledge, but other states as well.
Speaker 9: The count will be the count, the voice that people
Speaker 9: will be heard, The electors will reflect the will of
Speaker 9: the voters in this states, and whoever wins will be
Speaker 9: the next president of the United States. I would just add,
Speaker 9: by the way that I joined many people of saying
Speaker 9: we shouldn't really have this electoral college. It's just a
Speaker 9: it's a potential problem that is not solving for anything.
Speaker 9: We should just have direct vote of the people. I
Speaker 9: mean this just you know, adds in we have, you know,
Speaker 9: disloyal electors, you have you know, all these things that
Speaker 9: can happen.
Speaker 5: Not to mention competing slates.
Speaker 9: It's there's no it's an archaic element of our system.
Speaker 9: That's if it had any usefulness back in the day.
Speaker 9: It's time is passed.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But something you saw here that was interesting.
Speaker 9: Everything's exciting. I mean, my gosh, how great to see
Speaker 9: Barack and Michelle Obama. Wow right, I mean the energy
Speaker 9: here in the grassroots and you know your listeners by
Speaker 9: want to know what is somebody like me, what is
Speaker 9: a principal of governor center?
Speaker 5: What are they doing?
Speaker 9: We're at like thirty thirty five things every day, so
Speaker 9: you just are popping around. I mean, speaking of this
Speaker 9: environmental group, I spoke to the Nevada delegation this morning,
Speaker 9: you know, on the Colorado delegation. So it's just you know,
Speaker 9: this constant stream of because it's not just the delegates
Speaker 9: who are here. A lot of the kind of infrastructure
Speaker 9: and policy groups and advocates and grassroots organizations.
Speaker 3: Are all here, right, unions, state.
Speaker 9: Unions, I mean, they're all here, environmental groups, and it's
Speaker 9: really exciting to be able to interact with all of
Speaker 9: them and to help make sure that everybody is kind
Speaker 9: of going the same way and helping you. Elet Kamala Harris,
Speaker 9: thank you, Governor, thank you. Good to see you in person.
Speaker 2: Chris Murphy is the junior Senator from Connecticut.
Speaker 1: Senator Chris Murphy here with me. You negotiated this incredible
Speaker 1: immigration bill. Yes, and when you did it, it was
Speaker 1: during Christmas. It was like a labor of love for
Speaker 1: the administration. Talk to me about what it was and
Speaker 1: how it worked and what.
Speaker 3: It sort of set up as a larger frame.
Speaker 10: Well, remember that negotiation started in the fall of last
Speaker 10: year because Republicans said they wouldn't vote for Ukraine funding
Speaker 10: unless we added some provisions to secure the border. But
Speaker 10: as we got into the negotiation and the numbers at
Speaker 10: the border started to get higher and hired. By the
Speaker 10: end of twenty twenty three, you're talking about eight thousand
Speaker 10: people every day showing up at the border. It became
Speaker 10: clear we had to do this anyway, regardless of whether
Speaker 10: it was attached to Ukraine Aid. And so we stayed
Speaker 10: at that table through Thanksgiving, through Christmas, through the beginning
Speaker 10: of the year. You jam James Langford, Kirsten Cinema, right, like.
Speaker 3: Could not get three senators who are more.
Speaker 10: Different were more different, right, And Langford, you know, was
Speaker 10: not going to commit to anything unless he thought that
Speaker 10: he had his caucus. So he had to go back
Speaker 10: to his caucus over and over and over again.
Speaker 1: Langford is an old school Republican. May not agree with
Speaker 1: his policies, but is earnest and really does want to.
Speaker 10: Legislate, really wants to legislate. But frankly, you know, had
Speaker 10: never ever delivered on something this big. Langford had been
Speaker 10: in a lot of rooms, but it never actually delivered
Speaker 10: a big piece of legislation like this. Cinema and I
Speaker 10: had just the year before on guns, but Langford had not.
Speaker 10: And so I certainly had doubts throughout the process that
Speaker 10: you know, Langford maybe was in the room because Republicans
Speaker 10: knew that he wouldn't get to yes. And I mean,
Speaker 10: at some level he surprised me by closing the deal
Speaker 10: in the spring, convincing you know, what we thought were
Speaker 10: around fifteen or twenty Republicans to go with him, agreeing
Speaker 10: to you know, a handful of pretty important democratic priorities.
Speaker 10: So we didn't get a path with a decisionship in
Speaker 10: that bill. But you know, we got immediate work permits
Speaker 10: for immigrants at the border, we got paid for legal
Speaker 10: representation for kids. We got the biggest increase in family
Speaker 10: reunification visas in a generation. So we got good democratic
Speaker 10: priorities in there. He said, yes, he thought he had
Speaker 10: fifteen to twenty Republicans with him on Sunday afternoon. We
Speaker 10: released the bill Sunday about seven eight o'clock, and then
Speaker 10: all hell broke loose. Trump saw, Yes, Trump saw it,
Speaker 10: and he looked at it, and he said, actually, that
Speaker 10: bill will bring enough order to the border between now
Speaker 10: and the election that I'll lose it as a talking point.
Speaker 10: And at about I don't know, nine o'clock that night,
Speaker 10: Stephen Miller organized the crazy nativist right wing to take
Speaker 10: the bill down online. At about ten o'clock that night,
Speaker 10: Cinema goes to.
Speaker 5: Bed like really early. She's a super early riser.
Speaker 10: So I knew that I was kind of sending this
Speaker 10: text into nothing, but I texted cinema at about ten o'clock's
Speaker 10: that Sunday night after we released the bill, I said,
Speaker 10: they're going to kill this bill before we get up
Speaker 10: in the morning, like they're going to kill it tonight,
Speaker 10: And that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 5: By Monday morning, it was pretty.
Speaker 1: Clear that that negotiation was so important, even though a
Speaker 1: didn'ka passed right ultimately.
Speaker 10: And listen, that's not what I was trying to do, right,
Speaker 10: I was trying to pass a bill. But once they
Speaker 10: killed it and were so transparent about why they killed it,
Speaker 10: you know, you had McConnell, Lankford, Romney, Dan Crenshawn the House.
Speaker 10: You know, multiple high level Republicans going on the record
Speaker 10: and saying Donald Trump killed this bill for political reasons.
Speaker 10: It's a good bill. It became a political imperative that
Speaker 10: we tell that very simple story because the Republicans were
Speaker 10: telling it themselves. It was a good bill, it would
Speaker 10: have fixed many of the problems of the border. Republicans
Speaker 10: killed it because Donald Trump wants chaos. That's a ten
Speaker 10: second winning message. I didn't do this bill for a message,
Speaker 10: but what we got is our first opportunity in a
Speaker 10: very long time to prove to people what we have
Speaker 10: always said. We've said, the Republicans just want to talk
Speaker 10: about the border, they don't want to actually solve the problem.
Speaker 5: And now we have the proof.
Speaker 1: What I thought was very interesting, and McConnell even sort.
Speaker 10: Of McConnell negotiated as well. McConnell wasn't ever directly in
Speaker 10: the room, but his staff were in the room.
Speaker 3: That without Mitch McConnell on board.
Speaker 10: Yes, but the center Republican Caucus is different today than
Speaker 10: it was just two years ago. McConnell does not have
Speaker 10: the kind of control that he did even in twenty
Speaker 10: twenty two. When we negotiated the gun bill in twenty
Speaker 10: twenty two, McConnell wasn't in the room, but if McConnell
Speaker 10: was for it, and he ended up being for it,
Speaker 10: we knew he could deliver enough Republicans. That's not the
Speaker 10: Republican conference in twenty twenty four. McConnell cannot deliver the
Speaker 10: kind of votes that he could just a few years ago.
Speaker 3: With the map.
Speaker 1: This is this very bad Senate map for Democrats, like
Speaker 1: of sort of you know those cycle works that there
Speaker 1: are certain years that it just sucks, and this is
Speaker 1: a lot of red states up. What do you I mean,
Speaker 1: what are you optimistic about? What are you pessimistic about?
Speaker 1: When you look at the Senate map and sort of
Speaker 1: what do you think the landscape is?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 10: I mean, here's I guess what I think about. Why
Speaker 10: do we accept the map as being so bad? This
Speaker 10: is the second consecutive year that the map is bad.
Speaker 10: And the map is bad because we have effectively chosen
Speaker 10: as a party to be non competitive in states that
Speaker 10: just a heartbeat a go we were competitive in, right,
Speaker 10: We were electing Democratic senators in Nebraska, in Missouri, in Iowa,
Speaker 10: and now those are states that we consider ourselves to
Speaker 10: have no shot name. We've got to fix that as
Speaker 10: a party, like we can't be perfect on the Senate
Speaker 10: map every year. And that's a really hard conversation for
Speaker 10: our party to have, but it's really really necessary.
Speaker 3: But that's the end.
Speaker 1: Amanda Littman run for something theory, which is you have
Speaker 1: to run in every state, no matter if you And
Speaker 1: that's why in some ways the Tennessee three are so important,
Speaker 1: right because she's running for Senate in a state that's hard, that's.
Speaker 10: True, But we ran a lot of good candidates that
Speaker 10: lost in those states. It's not just that we're lacking
Speaker 10: the infrastructure, it's that we are refusing to actually go
Speaker 10: and talk to Trump voters.
Speaker 5: We were refusing to build a coalition.
Speaker 10: That is big tent because and I understand this, because
Speaker 10: we don't want Yeah, we want purity on choice, we
Speaker 10: want purity on guns, we want purity on climate.
Speaker 5: And if we were you know, a bit of the old.
Speaker 10: Kind of democratic party where the tent pole in the
Speaker 10: middle was economic populism, right, and we permitted people who
Speaker 10: might disagree with us on social and cultural issues to
Speaker 10: be inside the tent. I think we have a lot
Speaker 10: more states in play. I think we'd probably end up
Speaker 10: passing a lot more legislation. That's the challenge ahead of us.
Speaker 10: That's the big challenge. That's not something we saw between
Speaker 10: now and the end of the year. But we can't
Speaker 10: continue to be perfect in the way that we have
Speaker 10: the last couple of cycles in the Senate map.
Speaker 1: If you look at the polling and you look at
Speaker 1: the down ballot polls, like the guye egos and those
Speaker 1: guys are all really doing well, it seems like a
Speaker 1: lot of the Republican Senate pix were trumpy again.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're they're trumpy. They aren't from the.
Speaker 3: States, right, like Eric hoof Day.
Speaker 10: Yeah, And I mean, you know the guy in Montana,
Speaker 10: the guy Nevada. These are all the guy in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: I mean, Frankly, Dave McCormick.
Speaker 5: Dave McCormick is my constituent. Day McCormick is my constituent.
Speaker 10: So yeah, I mean, actually, it feels like they are
Speaker 10: incapable of finding anyone to run for Senate that is
Speaker 10: from the state that they're running in. And like, that's
Speaker 10: not a five point swing, but it's a one or
Speaker 10: two point swing, and that's what a lot of these
Speaker 10: races are going to come down to.
Speaker 3: So interesting.
Speaker 1: One other thing when you think about this election, like,
Speaker 1: what do you think will be the thing that gots
Speaker 1: Vice President Harris over the finish line?
Speaker 5: Well, we're just going to expand the electorate.
Speaker 10: We didn't have that opportunity before, and we now have
Speaker 10: the chance to bring a ton of people who have
Speaker 10: never voted or haven't voted in a long time.
Speaker 5: To the polls.
Speaker 10: Whether it's because they're just loving the vibe of a positive, right,
Speaker 10: joyous party or because the choice issue is just much
Speaker 10: more potent and real when you have a woman at
Speaker 10: the top of the ticket. Trump also may just be
Speaker 10: losing it a little bit, and we may see his
Speaker 10: rap just get so tired that that surge turnout he
Speaker 10: used to bring with him just isn't there.
Speaker 3: That's my theory of the case. A little bit too
Speaker 3: so interesting.
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you. Good to see you.
Speaker 3: Good to see you.
Speaker 2: Jocelyn Benson is the Secretary of State Michigan.
Speaker 3: Why I'm back, Jocelyn Benson.
Speaker 6: I'm just fangirling right now.
Speaker 3: This is insane.
Speaker 1: You're like a serious secretary of state, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: we have a fake microphone. So you're here for ask
Speaker 1: politics with us. We're doing our quick DNC interviews. State
Speaker 1: is like a large job with a lot of parts
Speaker 1: to it, but voting is a big part of it.
Speaker 11: And the chief Democracy officer for the State of Michigan,
Speaker 11: I consider it my prime responsibility to make sure everyone
Speaker 11: knows how to access their ballots, their voice, their vote, and.
Speaker 6: Can trust the results of the election. So whatever they
Speaker 6: may be right.
Speaker 1: So Republicans are basically a war with voting right now.
Speaker 3: I know it.
Speaker 6: Feels like that.
Speaker 12: I think it's a war with the truth, really, right,
Speaker 12: and a war with the rule of law and a
Speaker 12: rule of the basic promise in America that we the
Speaker 12: people rule to day, that we have control over in autonomy,
Speaker 12: over our bodies and access to reproductive health, that we
Speaker 12: have control over our voices and can exercise.
Speaker 6: Them as we can see fits. So it's a multifront war.
Speaker 1: So one of the issues right now in Georgia is
Speaker 1: there's some anxiety that there may be parts of Georgia
Speaker 1: that won't certify, or that there's some kind of optional
Speaker 1: certification process.
Speaker 3: How worried are you about that in Georgia?
Speaker 1: And then also can you extrapolate and talk about Michigan.
Speaker 11: I have a lot of faith in the professional election
Speaker 11: workers in Georgia as well as the Secretary of State
Speaker 11: to follow the law and.
Speaker 6: Do the job right.
Speaker 11: It's important, particularly in places where people have been fed
Speaker 11: lies about our elections that have damaged their confidence in
Speaker 11: the process, to be able to ask questions about the
Speaker 11: process and have them answered. However, we have to make
Speaker 11: fact based, evidence based decisions as we move forward, and
Speaker 11: those usually lead to certification. And so if we veer
Speaker 11: away from that, which is what twenty twenty was about.
Speaker 11: Twenty twenty was about baseless challenges to election results, no facts,
Speaker 11: no evidence. So we have to always delineate between those
Speaker 11: two things, but make sure that if there is no
Speaker 11: evidence of wrongdoing, we should be certifying the election, and
Speaker 11: that is the ministerial duty of election certification boards.
Speaker 3: What is voting in Michigan like because every state is different.
Speaker 11: Well, according to the Brennan Center, which released a report
Speaker 11: last week about the differences in battleground states election policies
Speaker 11: between twenty twenty and twenty twenty four, Michigan is the
Speaker 11: only one of the six battleground states that has dramatically
Speaker 11: expanded access to the vote, in part because voters demanded
Speaker 11: that we now have nine days of early voting in Michigan.
Speaker 11: In other states like Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, you saw our
Speaker 11: restriction on the right to vote, and so we're proud
Speaker 11: of what that represents. We're proud that we listen to
Speaker 11: the will of the people. And my hope is that
Speaker 11: other states will recognize that it's good for business to
Speaker 11: have a healthy democracy, and they should listen to voters
Speaker 11: who seek to amplify their voices and have access because
Speaker 11: it makes us all better.
Speaker 1: Right now, Michigan is such an interesting state because you
Speaker 1: have this tri factor of women leaders. You've done a
Speaker 1: lot of amazing stuff. You have parts of Michigan that
Speaker 1: are super liberal. You have the Michigan militia. I mean,
Speaker 1: talk to me about what the state looks like on
Speaker 1: the ground, what you're seeing. I mean, you're probably in
Speaker 1: every part of the state.
Speaker 6: I am as the Secretary of State.
Speaker 11: I'm also the Chief Motor Vehicle Officer, which makes you
Speaker 11: very popular. But we have actually reformed the DMV to
Speaker 11: make it easy, user friendly, and efficient and in my view,
Speaker 11: best in the country. That said, I have one hundred
Speaker 11: and thirty offices all across the state, so I get
Speaker 11: a really close to the ground view of what it's
Speaker 11: like in our northernmost most rural areas as well as
Speaker 11: in our most urban and how to meet the needs
Speaker 11: of every citizen and every voter. What I've seen in
Speaker 11: this role is how important it is to ensure everyone
Speaker 11: has educated and engaged and informed. And there's a lot
Speaker 11: that stands in the way of that in these noisy times,
Speaker 11: not the least of which are candidates who continue to
Speaker 11: tell lies and show up in Michigan and few more
Speaker 11: lies about crime rates and all the rest that just
Speaker 11: aren't based in fact. So the job of citizens in Michigan,
Speaker 11: it's really the job of all of us right now,
Speaker 11: is to become staunch ambassadors for democracy, for truth, for
Speaker 11: the law, and for making sure that no one can
Speaker 11: come into our state and lie to us about our
Speaker 11: rights and about our freedoms.
Speaker 3: Are you seeing yard signs?
Speaker 6: Yes, all over.
Speaker 11: I've seen Harris, I've seen Trump, I've seen that's probably.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we haven't seen too many.
Speaker 11: Are okay, But but I mean, look, it's hard to
Speaker 11: say in different parts of the state.
Speaker 6: I mean, look, Michigan's a purple state.
Speaker 11: We've got people on both sides of the aisle, people
Speaker 11: on both sides of the spectrum. And so we want
Speaker 11: everyone to know that their elections are going to be certified,
Speaker 11: that the integrity of our elections will be secure. But
Speaker 11: at the same time, it's important for everyone to know
Speaker 11: that in Michigan and Georgia and Arizona, in many parts
Speaker 11: of the nation, there is a divide. And that's why
Speaker 11: in this moment, we need candidates and leaders who will
Speaker 11: bring us together over that divide, more than to continue
Speaker 11: to divide us further.
Speaker 1: And are there any young candidates where you're seeing interesting
Speaker 1: staff or activists or what are.
Speaker 3: You seeing on the ground in Michigan that we should
Speaker 3: know about.
Speaker 11: I think young voters are incredibly engaged. What I've also
Speaker 11: frankly seen as a lot of business leaders in local
Speaker 11: chambers of commerce really investing in our future and in
Speaker 11: making sure they are also a part of defending in
Speaker 11: democracy In this moment, it's been really inspiring to see
Speaker 11: business leaders recognize that healthy democracy means a healthy economy,
Speaker 11: and they've been particularly notably more engaged than ever before
Speaker 11: at using and levering their positions to ensure citizens are
Speaker 11: engaged with accurate information about our elections.
Speaker 3: That's kind of amazing, it.
Speaker 11: Is, Yeah, and I think we'll continue to see young
Speaker 11: people stay engaged.
Speaker 6: I think that's another big focus.
Speaker 11: There are one point eight million eligible voters in Michigan
Speaker 11: who are eighteen to twenty nine, and only eight hundred
Speaker 11: thousand voted in twenty twenty, so that's a full million eligible.
Speaker 11: Most are registered voters who would like to see become engaged.
Speaker 11: Many of them are not in college, many of them
Speaker 11: are working or in apprenticeship programs. So we've been reaching
Speaker 11: out to unions and others that have those programs and
Speaker 11: employers to make sure we're engaging every young person in
Speaker 11: deciding our future together.
Speaker 3: That's so important and amazing.
Speaker 11: The women in Michigan get it done. But it's important
Speaker 11: to note that what high voter turnout means is a
Speaker 11: more representative democracy. You have more voices at the table,
Speaker 11: you have more leaders that are more likely to represent
Speaker 11: the diversity of our state and our country. And that's
Speaker 11: really the Michigan story over these last few years. Yes,
Speaker 11: women are leading our state and we're doing a great
Speaker 11: job right now, but we also have and we also
Speaker 11: have so many more leaders of color and leaders of
Speaker 11: different community. These Jewish communities, Arab communities, Latino communities, African
Speaker 11: American communities all have a seat at the table because
Speaker 11: of our pro democracy policies.
Speaker 1: Ken Harris wins some of these undeclared voters.
Speaker 11: I think every time you can make clear the democracy
Speaker 11: and our reproductive freedoms and a number of other freedoms
Speaker 11: are on the ballot in a very real way this year,
Speaker 11: then we have an opportunity to frame the choice in
Speaker 11: a way that I think everyone should get behind, even
Speaker 11: you know, the Republican voters in parts of the state
Speaker 11: who also want to see a country where women have
Speaker 11: freedom and our right.
Speaker 6: To vote is protected.
Speaker 11: So if we can stay focused on the issues and
Speaker 11: the truth and what's at stake, I think you'll see
Speaker 11: a broad coalition in support of those policies.
Speaker 3: So good, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 6: Honored to be here, An, I'll come back anytime. Thank
Speaker 6: you for having me.
Speaker 2: Congresswoman Susan del Bennet represents Washington's first congressional district and
Speaker 2: shares the DCC.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics.
Speaker 3: Congresswoman Susan del Banner.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 8: Thanks, great to be here at convention.
Speaker 3: Now this is your super Bowl, right, it is.
Speaker 8: The super Bowl, and it kind of feels like that.
Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, it's hard to excitement, except we're the
Speaker 8: one the one difference. We are absolutely all on the
Speaker 8: same team.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's true. There's only one team here. So you
Speaker 1: lead the Democratic Congressional Committee which meet which is tasked
Speaker 1: with flipping the House of Representatives, which seems very possible
Speaker 1: in this environment. So talk to me about what this
Speaker 1: landscape looks like and what you are focused on. I
Speaker 1: want to also add that, like you guys have seemed
Speaker 1: so laser focused and so organized and so, you know,
Speaker 1: just really on it.
Speaker 3: So tell me what you're focused on.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, well, I am laser focused on making sure we
Speaker 8: take back the majority in the House, that we make
Speaker 8: Kakim Jeffries the next Speaker of the House. And you know,
Speaker 8: we have incredible opportunities. I always remind folks that the
Speaker 8: House is very different. We have a lot of races
Speaker 8: across the country, and we're everywhere. You know, the Senate
Speaker 8: may be focused on a few key races. We have
Speaker 8: races in New York and California and Iowa and Alabama
Speaker 8: and Nebraska, Oregon all over the place. Because we have
Speaker 8: you know, there's four hundred and thirty five races going on.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the Biden district races, the races
Speaker 1: where the Democrats lost the congressional seat but Biden won. Yes,
Speaker 1: and so there are like about five of those in
Speaker 1: New York and five of them in California.
Speaker 8: We have them across the country, but the majority area, Yes,
Speaker 8: the big ones are in states in California and New York.
Speaker 3: Let me rephrase it, the states are really fucked up.
Speaker 1: We're New York and California because those are blue states
Speaker 1: where that should not happen.
Speaker 8: Yes, we have a lot of races in California and
Speaker 8: New York, and you know we're doing really well.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about some of those New York races. Okay,
Speaker 1: John Avlon, John Avlon and Ericon. Now that is not
Speaker 1: even a Biden district. That's an R plus three or something.
Speaker 1: Is he on your Red to Blue list?
Speaker 6: He is not.
Speaker 8: He's on our We have districts that we are still watching.
Speaker 8: District we call them districts in play in New York.
Speaker 8: Three obviously was the first one, Tom Swasey. And then
Speaker 8: the other Langa Island is Laura Gillan running in New
Speaker 8: York for that's on our Red to Blue.
Speaker 3: And who's she running against?
Speaker 8: Ds Posito? And that's absolutely one that we can pick up.
Speaker 8: And you'll remember d s Posito.
Speaker 1: These Republicans will pretend to be Centrists, but they've all
Speaker 1: voted to impeach Biden.
Speaker 3: They've all voted, they.
Speaker 8: All voted for Mike Johnson to be the most extreme
Speaker 8: speaker ever in the House representative.
Speaker 3: They are all to impeach.
Speaker 8: Yes, there are no moderates left on the Republican side.
Speaker 8: If you look in the House, across the board. Over
Speaker 8: and over we have seen Republicans leave their party. You've
Speaker 8: seen Republicans here at convention talking about they don't know
Speaker 8: what's happened to their party. Yeah, the reality is that
Speaker 8: the extremists have taken over. They're incapable of governing. It's
Speaker 8: chaos and dysfunction. And so that's why the incredible candidates.
Speaker 8: You look at New York, whether it's Laura Glyn, Monde Jones.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about Mondere Jones. He's on the red to blow.
Speaker 8: He is.
Speaker 3: Talk to me about mondere Seed.
Speaker 8: You know monder Seed. This is also, you know, a
Speaker 8: really important seat and a tough seat. It's a swing district.
Speaker 8: But Mondere is doing an incredible job. It's a district
Speaker 8: that absolutely is one that we can win. Mondarra is
Speaker 8: doing a great job and really making sure that he's
Speaker 8: holding Lawler who's running against accountable for being an extreme Republican.
Speaker 8: He tries to paint himself as a moderate, but let's
Speaker 8: be clear, there's nothing moderate. As we were just saying,
Speaker 8: these are all folks who have continued to support the
Speaker 8: kind of Republican agenda, and you've seen it here the
Speaker 8: project kind of twenty twenty five agenda. That's the stark
Speaker 8: difference in this campaign and why seats like these in
Speaker 8: New York are so credible.
Speaker 3: Is there a Buffalo's seat? Did I make that up?
Speaker 8: Tim Kennedy? Just one that was an open seat, that
Speaker 8: was a blue seat. Tim Kennedy's a new member of
Speaker 8: Congress when Brian Higgins stepped down.
Speaker 3: Now, talk to me about those California seats.
Speaker 8: We can start in southern California. We have a bunch
Speaker 8: of opportunities. Will Rollins running against Ken Calverty.
Speaker 1: Will Rollins is a frequent guest of this podcast because
Speaker 1: my father lives in Palmspreads and we love Will Rowland's
Speaker 1: and that is a very flippable.
Speaker 8: Seat, absolutely one. Will ran last time came just within
Speaker 8: a handful of votes of winning that seat. He came
Speaker 8: out the door right away the beginning of the cycle,
Speaker 8: doing an incredible job, has a ton of support. Is
Speaker 8: kind of like the perfect candidate you can find, incredible experience,
Speaker 8: incredible connections to his community. He is doing amazing and
Speaker 8: incredible opportunity to pick up a seat there. We've got
Speaker 8: Derek Tran running against Michelle Steele. Also in southern California.
Speaker 8: Derek's a great candidate running for him the first time.
Speaker 8: Dave Minn is running to make sure that we keep
Speaker 8: Katie Porter's seat. Wow, so that's an open seat.
Speaker 3: It is a tough seat.
Speaker 8: Also, that's a up. Dave Man is doing a great job.
Speaker 8: We have George Whitesides running against Mike Garcia, also doing
Speaker 8: an incredible job. We have Mike Levin, he's one of
Speaker 8: our frontliners, so we're going to get re elected. Also
Speaker 8: southern California, we have Riddy Sallas and Adam Gray running
Speaker 8: in the Central Valley up north.
Speaker 1: And this central Valley, I think for people who don't
Speaker 1: totally know was where the uh what's his name who
Speaker 1: used to be the Speaker of the House was from. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: the last fashion of Republican is Kevin McCarthy.
Speaker 3: That is that sort of last fashion.
Speaker 1: But it is largely agricultural, and when you are worried
Speaker 1: about agriculture, climate change is a big deal.
Speaker 8: Well, and you know, without Kevin McCarthy, they're trying to
Speaker 8: kind of help raise resources for the Republicans in this area.
Speaker 8: They've also been struggling a lot more too, but again
Speaker 8: more extreme than their district's great candidates. I mean, the
Speaker 8: thing that differentiates our world versus their world is we
Speaker 8: have independent mind and results oriented members of Congress and
Speaker 8: candidates who want to go to Congress to get things done.
Speaker 1: Will you talk to us about the sort of macro
Speaker 1: of the Republican Congressional Committee versus Because Republicans have been
Speaker 1: in power in Congress and they like lost a speaker,
Speaker 1: then they couldn't find a speaker.
Speaker 3: Than they had.
Speaker 8: They threatened to shut down the government to default on
Speaker 8: our dead then they kicked out their speaker and struggled
Speaker 8: to pick up another one. They don't even agree with
Speaker 8: each other, right.
Speaker 3: What does their apparatus look like?
Speaker 8: Well, they're struggling. We've been running ahead this whole cycle.
Speaker 8: We just announced our numbers for last month. A d
Speaker 8: triple c outraised the NRCC, our Republican counterparts.
Speaker 5: Again.
Speaker 8: We raised seventeen point six million dollars last month, six
Speaker 8: million more than the NRCC. We've got about twenty million
Speaker 8: dollars more in the bank as we head into these
Speaker 8: important last couple months of the election, and our candidates
Speaker 8: are out raising their Republican opponents also. So as a committee,
Speaker 8: we're doing well. To support our candidates across the country.
Speaker 8: Our candidates are doing well, our incumbents are doing well
Speaker 8: because really this election is about our rights, our freedoms,
Speaker 8: our democracy, and our future. And people know what's at stake,
Speaker 8: and the American people are with us. They want governance
Speaker 8: that works.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, let me ask you, do you think your candidates
Speaker 1: are running heead because their candidates are so good, because
Speaker 1: their candidates are so bad, or because the issues, or
Speaker 1: because of the sort of the vibes.
Speaker 8: It's everything. Their candidates are extreme. We have districts like
Speaker 8: in Pennsylvania ten, where we've got Scott Perry, one of
Speaker 8: the most extreme members of an extreme body. We have
Speaker 8: Danelle Stilson do an incredible job. That's a seat that
Speaker 8: we can flip, and it's a more conservative seat, but
Speaker 8: they're not extreme. So they have candidates and members of
Speaker 8: Congress who are extreme. We also have folks who've seen
Speaker 8: what Republicans have been doing. They are trying to take
Speaker 8: away reproduct freedom. The majority of Americans across the country
Speaker 8: support reproductive freedom. They are trying to gut social Security
Speaker 8: and medicare, give tech freaks to the wealthy and well connected.
Speaker 8: That also, the majority of America does not agree with that.
Speaker 8: They want to see governance work. They want to see
Speaker 8: us grow and strengthen the middle class. And that's not
Speaker 8: a democratic statement. That's a statement of what the American
Speaker 8: people want to see. And that's what our candidates and
Speaker 8: our comments are talking about what we can actually do
Speaker 8: to deliver what we've done, but also what more we
Speaker 8: can do when we have the majority in the House.
Speaker 1: One more question, Yes, Walls was the chair of the
Speaker 1: governatorial the data goes. So that's a job that's kind
Speaker 1: of the equivalent of the job you have. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: So tell us why you get that job. Soon to
Speaker 1: be Speaker Jeffrees. Leader Jeffries asked me to do that job.
Speaker 1: He asked me to do.
Speaker 3: He asked you to do it because you're a team player.
Speaker 8: And because you know my focus is I'm a data person.
Speaker 8: I am laser focused on make sure we put the
Speaker 8: right strategy to win. And you know I came to
Speaker 8: Congress to get things done for my constituents too. It's
Speaker 8: hard for us to do that when we have a
Speaker 8: Republican majority that doesn't want to do anything. So one
Speaker 8: of the most important things we can do is make
Speaker 8: sure we win, we have a strong government majority, and
Speaker 8: then we get back to work, make sure the People's
Speaker 8: House is back to work for the American people.
Speaker 3: Amazing. Thank you, hey, thank you.
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