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Speaker 1: Here we go, Greg, let's do it. This is our

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Speaker 1: first quick fix Yeah yeah, the War on Drugs bonus content.

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Speaker 1: So this is our first one, and uh, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's only right. Our first one is with somebody who's

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Speaker 1: responsible for this whole War on Drugs podcast, Mr Jason

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Speaker 1: Flan Yeah, the Godfather, Come on, man, the Podfather. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there you go. Yeah, Jason, I mean you you you

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Speaker 1: know him, but you may not because Jason has pretty

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Speaker 1: much done everything. Um. You know, he's hosting founder of

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Speaker 1: the Wrongful Conviction podcast UM, which was absolutely amazing. I

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Speaker 1: strongly recommend y'all take a listen at as well after

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Speaker 1: you're done listening to ours and subscribing to ours on all,

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Speaker 1: where do you ever get your podcast from? He's a

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Speaker 1: music executive. He signed a couple of people you might

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Speaker 1: have heard of, you know, Lord Katie Perry shout out

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Speaker 1: Teenage Dream him just an absolute banger of a song, um,

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Speaker 1: and then a gret Van Fleet uh if you're exted

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Speaker 1: there as well. And he's also spent thirty years focused

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Speaker 1: on US drug policy and criminal justice reform. You know,

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Speaker 1: he dedicates his time, energy and like sweat to this

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Speaker 1: issue and just couldn't be happy to be associate with

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Speaker 1: him and him you know, a part of this production

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Speaker 1: absolutely excited for you all to listen to it. And

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Speaker 1: let's get into it. We have a take your Take

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Speaker 1: Your Boss to Work day Basin Floman Studio show. Hey, jeez,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know it was like that. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: like that absolutely, yes, I know, sir, Yeah, that's gonna

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Speaker 1: be okay, let's go. So, Jason, when we first started

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Speaker 1: kind of chatting about you know, I did a guest

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Speaker 1: appearance on your Junk Science Wrongful Conviction podcast talking about

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Speaker 1: drug test kits, these two dollar kits that they cops

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Speaker 1: have on the side of the road. Long story short,

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Speaker 1: to all, our test kits not the most reliable thing.

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Speaker 1: Things like chocolate, rock salts, um, everyday household items just

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Speaker 1: actually turned for drugs. And you have these horrible cases

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Speaker 1: not be that. So we started chatting, is there more

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Speaker 1: that we can do from a podcasting but kind of

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Speaker 1: like reopen on this war on drugs? I go, yeah, Jason,

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Speaker 1: I think the war on drugs is the you know,

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Speaker 1: the biggest wrongful conviction that we have just from a

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Speaker 1: systemic standpoint in the United States. And I don't care

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Speaker 1: if you you don't have to be arrested in prison

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Speaker 1: to be impacted by the drug war, have a love owner,

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Speaker 1: a victim? Oh yeah. I mean it's a disaster on

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Speaker 1: every level. I mean, aside from the individual human tragedy

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Speaker 1: that people who were you know who are languishing in

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Speaker 1: prison right now in this country and I'm talking maybe

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Speaker 1: a million of them, right, And that's not hyperbole for drugs,

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Speaker 1: and it extends out of course, to destabilizing foreign governments,

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Speaker 1: to wasting over a trillion dollars now on the war

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Speaker 1: on drugs blown yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that's a

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Speaker 1: low ball estimate, but that's a big number. I mean

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Speaker 1: that's a number. That's an unfathomable number. Just spend a

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Speaker 1: trillion dollars on something and not get rid of it.

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Speaker 1: It's got worse. It's worse. A trillion is like a

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Speaker 1: thousand billion, right, let's just get that straight. It's like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a problem still here. I will get

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Speaker 1: rid of whatever the funk you want for trillion dollars. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if it's all the mosquitoes, I will single handedly slaps

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Speaker 1: ship out of each one of them for a tree.

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Speaker 1: So it's got to show that it's not working. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, and during this incredible failed social policy

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Speaker 1: disaster experiment, what we're gonna call it, prices of drugs

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Speaker 1: generally went down, right, and usage went up. And then

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Speaker 1: you look at countries like Portugal, right where in two

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Speaker 1: thousand they decriminalized all drugs and lo and behold the

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Speaker 1: problems that ensued. Well, there weren't any, right. The fact

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Speaker 1: is that drug use went down, overdoses went down, trips

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Speaker 1: to rehab went up, crime went down. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: talking about it just went down. It went down relative

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Speaker 1: to other European countries, other small European countries. Every social

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Speaker 1: scientist that studied this, you know, concluded that it was

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Speaker 1: a wild success. And that's true wherever you go. If

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Speaker 1: we decriminalize the benefits to society or legalized I should

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Speaker 1: say it's even better. But you know, the benefits of

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Speaker 1: not be a failure. It's a failure in what it's

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Speaker 1: designed to do, or what they say is designed to do,

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Speaker 1: but what is actually doing as far as incarcerating people

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Speaker 1: and keeping people incarcerated and sucking money out of communities

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Speaker 1: is doing exactly that right. Well, Jason, I think our

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Speaker 1: our our time's up. Um, this has been awesome. It's

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Speaker 1: been awesome, actually been am gonna sit down with you

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Speaker 1: and you're you're the one that's making it happen, um,

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Speaker 1: and so now you you've been fighting this fight for

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Speaker 1: for a very long long time, and so you know,

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Speaker 1: hopefully this will bring a little bit more awareness and

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Speaker 1: so thanks for giving us the platform. And you know,

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Speaker 1: and I guess we'll welcome me back, um anytime. Just

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Speaker 1: talk to Mike and we'll we'll decide ye come back. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you guys are so sweet. It's just I'm gonna melt

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Speaker 1: into a puddle of happy over here. And yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: Clayton English and I'm Greg Glode and this has been

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Speaker 1: a war ship. Go ahead, now we've all staying at

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Speaker 1: the same time. I shouldn't have stopped. Shouldn't have stopped. No,