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Speaker 1: Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: all of you out there listening and hanging out with us.

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Speaker 1: We have got a bevy of stories to dive in

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Speaker 1: with all of you today. Congressman Chip Roy, great State

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Speaker 1: of Texas will join us at one thirty Eastern time.

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Speaker 1: David's wife, who I would say Buck of the left

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Speaker 1: leaning media, may have been the most honest person in

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Speaker 1: the way that he covered COVID for New York Magazine

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Speaker 1: if I remember correctly back.

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Speaker 2: In the day.

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Speaker 1: And he's got a book out that is just savaging

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Speaker 1: the decision to shut down schools that he wrote about

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Speaker 1: for some time, masking all of the chaos that came

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Speaker 1: out of COVID, and I think we will enjoy that

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Speaker 1: conversation with him, and I hope that his book, which

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Speaker 1: is designed to be an early version of the historical

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Speaker 1: record of what we went through with COVID, will become

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Speaker 1: a clarion call for those who are pursuing truth going

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Speaker 1: forward on the historic record, because one thing you and

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Speaker 1: I've been talking about for years now is not only

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Speaker 1: we knew you and I early on that much of

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Speaker 1: the COVID failures were inexcusable.

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Speaker 2: But what is the.

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Speaker 1: Lesson that will be drawn in the decades ahead for

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Speaker 1: people who are studying this era of history. And I

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Speaker 1: hope we are starting to get some of that truth

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Speaker 1: out into the public record. As you know, you read

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Speaker 1: the book, the Great Influenza Book that everybody suddenly started

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Speaker 1: buying up during COVID, and much of the way that

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Speaker 1: we responded to the influenza epidemic the Spanish flu back

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Speaker 1: in the nineteen nineteen ish era, unfortunately, was reflected one

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Speaker 1: hundred years later. And one of the things that you saw, Buck,

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Speaker 1: and we'll dive into this a little bit later with

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Speaker 1: David Zwaig, but just off the top here, one of

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Speaker 1: the things that you saw was people just didn't want

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Speaker 1: to talk about it. They just kind of put it

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Speaker 1: in the background and pretended that it hadn't happened at all. Now,

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Speaker 1: that was much more traumatic in general, because the percentage

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Speaker 1: of people who died was higher. The people who died

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Speaker 1: from the Spanish flu tended to be much younger, whereas

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Speaker 1: the people who had COVID issues in this country thankfully

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Speaker 1: tended to be on the older end of the spectrum.

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Speaker 1: I say thankfully because you didn't have otherwise fully healthy

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Speaker 1: people dropping who otherwise would have had decades of life. Thankfully,

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Speaker 1: COVID did not have hardly any impact at all on

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Speaker 1: the young. Because if you had reversed this and COVID

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Speaker 1: it did on the age, I think the way that

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Speaker 1: America and the world responded would have been very different.

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Speaker 1: But this book that he is writing, I've got a

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Speaker 1: copy of it in my house and I've already started

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Speaker 1: to read it a little bit, is I think, an

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Speaker 1: important historic record.

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Speaker 2: So we will talk with him at two. Speaking of

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Speaker 2: important historic records, all of the books are now being

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Speaker 2: written that we told you would be written in the

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Speaker 2: wake of the twenty twenty four election having to do

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Speaker 2: with Joe Biden, and the mental and physical lies about

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Speaker 2: him being at the peak of his abilities are now

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Speaker 2: being exposed. You can go back in time. We told

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Speaker 2: they could. They would argue that he was sharp as attack.

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Speaker 1: Now even Jake Tapper, who tried to argue that any

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Speaker 1: attacks on Joe Biden for his mental and physical health

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Speaker 1: were cheap fakes. Now even he has written a book

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Speaker 1: next couple of weeks, and even the left leaning media

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Speaker 1: are now holding their politician's feet to the fire when

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Speaker 1: they do interviews. This interview that I want to play

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Speaker 1: very good Elizabeth Warren impersonation, if I must say so myself.

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Speaker 2: They this is Uh.

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure that I give credit because

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Speaker 1: I got an email from these guys saying, hey, we're

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Speaker 1: an independent podcast and can you if you're going to

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Speaker 1: share this. This is on the Talk Easy podcast. This

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Speaker 1: is Sam Gregoso interviewing Elizabeth Warren and they have this

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Speaker 1: exchange about Joe Biden's Did I mispronounce that? Did you say,

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Speaker 1: it written here is Grugoso. But it's possible our team

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Speaker 1: changed the got the name wrong. But Fragoso or grug Goso. No, it' scrugoso.

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Speaker 2: You're right. I should just shut my face keep going.

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Speaker 1: This is this is the podcast that it's from. I

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Speaker 4: Do you regret saying that President Biden had a mental acuity,

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Speaker 4: he had a sharpness to him. You said that up

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Speaker 3: I said, I had not seen decline, and I hadn't

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Speaker 4: You did not see any decline from twenty twenty four

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Speaker 3: Oh, when I said that, you know the thing is

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Speaker 3: he Look, he was sharp. He was on his feet.

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Speaker 3: I saw him live event. I had meetings with him

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Speaker 4: Senator on his feet is not praise. He can speak

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Speaker 4: in sentences is not praise.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough, fair enough.

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Speaker 2: What you have to remember here is that was he

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Speaker 5: No, he was not.

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Speaker 2: He was able to open his eyes and blink. And

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Speaker 2: I did not see an S O S coming from

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Speaker 2: him him and so Clay I saw one of his

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Speaker 2: feet is an all timeline. He was able to stand

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Speaker 2: is an unbelievable dess. This is like the conversation you

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Speaker 2: would have about somebody who was declining and like changed

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Speaker 2: their will in the last days. Were they of sound

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Speaker 2: mind or not? Well, he was on his feet.

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Speaker 6: We're talking about the president of the United States, the commander.

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Speaker 2: In chief, and she is saying, essentially, he wasn't a

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Speaker 2: full blown vegetable. So don't blame me. I just kept

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Speaker 2: going with the rest of the crowd here. She's not alone.

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Speaker 2: All the rest of them did this too. And I

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Speaker 2: think that more than anything, what happened here, Clay, was

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Speaker 2: that the anti Trump media became so it was like

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Speaker 2: a river that could only flow in one direction, and

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Speaker 2: nobody was ever Nobody was ever told what you're saying

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Speaker 2: Washington Post. Whatever you said about Trump, he's Hitler. He's

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Speaker 2: worse than Hitler. He's a monster. Whatever it was was

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Speaker 2: And so when you have that, you can have a

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Speaker 2: orders as crazy as I was going to say, like Lemmings,

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Speaker 2: But as you will see in my new book, which

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Speaker 2: has finally been cleared by the CIA, Lemmings don't commit

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Speaker 2: mass suicide everybody. That's a crazy story. But there's other

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Speaker 2: things that you talk about in the book that you

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Speaker 2: will like as well. Yes, Clay, this was something that

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Speaker 2: they now have to take some degree of accountability for

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Speaker 2: people like you and me able just keep on dunking

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Speaker 2: them under the water on this as we should.

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Speaker 1: You know, I thought it was interesting too. I saw

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Speaker 1: a graphic I think it was from Axios this morning

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Speaker 1: that the coverage of misinformation and disinformation has basically ended

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Speaker 1: on CNN and on MSNBC. They're not trotting out their

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Speaker 1: fact checkers anymore. I would submit to.

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Speaker 2: You, Buck that the Joe Biden cover up ended the

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Speaker 2: misinformation and disinformation era. Now, Trump winning obviously had a

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Speaker 2: substantial impact on that as well, but when the entire

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Speaker 2: left wing media, legacy media wind up together. And I

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Speaker 2: think you're right that maybe the most devastating single statement

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Speaker 2: career on fire when he said this was the best

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Speaker 2: haven't recovered from this. So here's the thing, Elizabeth Warren

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Speaker 2: is trying to rewrite history in real time here in

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Speaker 2: this way. It's not clay that they said. The narrative

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Speaker 2: at the time go back to exactly what you brought

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Speaker 2: up with Joe Scarborough. The narrative at the time wasn't

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Speaker 2: Biden isn't as bad as they say. He's semi coherent

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Speaker 2: and maybe we can push him across the finish line

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Speaker 2: and then have VP Comma a takeover. That would have

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Speaker 2: been somewhat disingenuous, or you know, that would have been dishonest,

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Speaker 2: But on a scale of one to ten, dishonesty level

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Speaker 2: six or seven, they went to dishonesty level eleven, which

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Speaker 2: is in fact the sharpest version he has ever been,

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Speaker 2: which just goes to show the desperation and the lie.

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Speaker 2: You know that that's what it really was. It wouldn't

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Speaker 2: he's lost his fastball, but you know, I think he

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Speaker 2: There's like Biden's fine, how dare you bring anything up?

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Speaker 2: It was Stalinism level propaganda. It was this guy. It's

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Speaker 2: like Kim Jong ill and on and Kim Il Sung

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Speaker 2: play golf. You know, it was that level madness. Let me,

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Speaker 2: by the way, you were correct, It is Sam Forgoso.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh, look at the buckster. He thought, you know

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Speaker 2: he's got a sharp ear.

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to help so our staff, who I'm

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Speaker 1: immediately gonna throw under the bus. I wouldn't they write it.

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Speaker 1: They wrote it as Sam Grugoso. But is Sam Fragoso

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Speaker 1: because anyone who said that Biden was able to serve

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Speaker 1: to answer for that. They should have to explain why

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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard Joe Scarborough be asked or pushed

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Speaker 2: To be fair, I think that he is just trying

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Speaker 2: think he's putting himself in a position where even Elizabeth Warren,

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Speaker 2: because she's not as bad based on the soundbites with

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Speaker 2: the medicine. Now. I think scar Barborough knows that it's

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Speaker 2: it's brand annihilation that he faces if the wrong person

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Speaker 2: gets him on the hot seat and asks him this question.

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Speaker 2: You can't come back from that. Why should someone listen

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Speaker 2: to Joe Scarborough about anything? If he's that dumb or

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Speaker 2: that dishonest, Why would you care what he thinks about

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Speaker 2: a single thing and exists. I don't want to. I

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Speaker 2: don't care what ice cream flavor he thinks is best.

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Speaker 2: Yours answers Pistacio, which is, by the way, maybe even

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Speaker 2: worse than Joe Scarborough's answer would be to be fair,

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Speaker 2: you see pistascio lovers get from Clay and just flute

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Speaker 2: playing ways outrageous.

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Speaker 1: We'll take some of your calls on this. I do

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Speaker 1: think that these conversations that we're gonna have with David

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Speaker 1: Swig are important. And if you are out there and

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Speaker 1: David Zwig, investigative journalist and author. He's got a brand

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Speaker 1: An abundance of caution, American schools, the virus, and a

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Speaker 1: story of bad decisions. David, thanks for joining us in

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Speaker 6: So what happened was the American Academy of Pediatrics put

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Speaker 6: And they were saying, hey, thank you so much for

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Speaker 6: it's terrible what's happening with kids. I think these policies

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Speaker 6: for keeping schools closed and these mask mandates, there isn't

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Speaker 6: good evidence behind this. Schools are open in Europe, all

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Speaker 6: these things. And they said, but all this has to

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Speaker 6: be off the record because they were afraid to be

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Speaker 6: cast out by their peers, or in many instances they

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Speaker 6: were explicitly told. And I have examples of this in

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Speaker 6: the book, they were explicitly told by their superiors, by

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Speaker 6: So I had this bizarre experience where I'm observing this

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Speaker 6: narrative that's going on in the culture, this sort of

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Speaker 6: manufactured consensus that wasn't real. And I had this very lonely,

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Speaker 6: strange experience where I'm getting all these text messages and

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Speaker 6: emails and I'm talking with all these doctors who are

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Speaker 6: disagreeing with this, but the dissent was silent. I wasn't

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Speaker 6: allowed to talk about it, and they were too afraid

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Speaker 6: or weren't allowed to speak about it themselves. So my

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Speaker 6: book gives what I hope is this deep, behind the

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Speaker 6: scenes account of what actually happened during the pandemic, not

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Speaker 6: the narrative that we were all fed. And I'm hoping

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Speaker 6: that when people finish reading this that they're going to

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Speaker 6: be armed with enough information so they can actually understand

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Speaker 6: and see how the gears turn within the legacy media

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Speaker 6: and how they turned where they were working in conjunction

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Speaker 6: with different institutions of power. So it's not just for

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Speaker 6: a pandemic, but for when any other crisis happens. That

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Speaker 6: your listeners and they're like, oh, I read about that

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Speaker 6: in Swig's book. I see exactly what's happening now.

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Speaker 2: We're speaking to David's way. The book is an abundance

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Speaker 2: of caution. I have my copy in my hands here.

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Speaker 2: American Schools, the virus, and a story of bad decisions.

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Speaker 2: One of reason we want to have you on, David

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Speaker 2: is we like to reward people who were right when

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Speaker 2: it mattered and did good work when it mattered on

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Speaker 2: this issue. So congrats on the book, and we hope

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Speaker 2: people will we'll pick up a copy because I think

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Speaker 2: it's very important.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot easier for people to jump on the

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Speaker 2: bandwagon now, but we know that you were early on

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Speaker 2: this and you got heat to that end. Just one

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Speaker 2: that Clay might have a question for you in closing.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you're a sports fan, you like

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Speaker 2: the SEC or anything, but that's always a possibility here

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Speaker 2: at the end too. But if you were to walk

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Speaker 2: around right now, you know, sort of tell us what

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Speaker 2: it's like on the other side of it, because they'll

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Speaker 2: still talk to you. They won't talk to us that much.

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Speaker 2: Some of them listen to the show because it is

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Speaker 2: so entertaining. But generally speaking, we have a center to

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Speaker 2: write audience. If you walked around Park Slope or you

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Speaker 2: walked around I don't know, you know Santa Monica, and

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Speaker 2: just talk to people who watch I don't know CNN

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Speaker 2: read the New York Times at the LA Times and said, hey, guys,

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Speaker 2: the next time around, we're all we're all clear that

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Speaker 2: we don't shut down the schools for this, right? Are

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Speaker 2: they clear on that?

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Speaker 6: I think there's been a softening, So I think that's

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Speaker 6: the good news. The bad news is is that there

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Speaker 6: is this revisionist history. There's this narrative that they've been pushing,

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Speaker 6: which is in the beginning, it was we have to

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Speaker 6: close schools, we have to do all this stuff. Eventually,

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Speaker 6: when it was so obvious that that wasn't beneficial, it

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Speaker 6: was so obvious this was only causing harm, then they shifted.

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Speaker 6: Then the narrative was, well, this is regrettable, but it

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Speaker 6: was an understandable thing.

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Speaker 2: This was a fog of war decision. It was case.

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Speaker 6: We did the best we could. And what I show

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Speaker 6: in the book over and over is that information was

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Speaker 6: known in real time, and that example about the European

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Speaker 6: Union is just one of many. They knew what was happening,

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Speaker 6: it was ignored or it was dismissed. So when you

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Speaker 6: asked me that question, my fear is that when the

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Speaker 6: next crisis happens and it doesn't have to be a pandemic,

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Speaker 6: that once again there's this excuse of we're building the

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Speaker 6: plane as we fly it.

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Speaker 8: We don't know.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, we're doing the.

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Speaker 6: Best we can. Don't accept it. It's not true. Demand evidence,

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Speaker 6: And that's what my book is about at its core,

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Speaker 6: is you can't say stuff without providing evidence and over

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Speaker 6: and over, and I cite these long examples in the

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Speaker 6: New York Times and all these other media outlets. They

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Speaker 6: kept quoting all these experts saying things, but they didn't

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Speaker 6: provide any evidence. They never challenged them. Journalists shirked their

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Speaker 6: core duty, which was to actually question the statements by

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Speaker 6: those in power. So I'm hoping my book will act

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Speaker 6: as a counter as a corrective, as this is an

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Speaker 6: actual real history of what happened, and it works as

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Speaker 6: its own guidebook to help arm people to understand how

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Speaker 6: the gears turned behind the scenes, so we can try

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Speaker 6: to prevent something like this from happening again.

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Speaker 1: Last question, you came from the left and bucks right.

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious from your perspective, we hope that the

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Speaker 1: historic record twenty forty years, sixty years from now is

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Speaker 1: going to be a worthy lesson. How much less faith

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Speaker 1: do you personally have in the so called legacy media

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Speaker 1: than you did before COVID happened. So David Zuwig twenty

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Speaker 1: nineteen compared to David Zuwaig twenty twenty five, how are

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Speaker 1: you different?

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Speaker 6: I would say, if I may not just the legacy media,

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Speaker 6: but the entire left establishment, if you will, my experience

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Speaker 6: experienced as a journalist actually chasing down the evidence and

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Speaker 6: the facts has completely shattered my entire worldview that I had.

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Speaker 6: I was a mug liberal. I've always been an independent

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Speaker 6: I was not like a staunch Democrat, So I was

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Speaker 6: an independent minded person, but I tended to believe in

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Speaker 6: these institutions, and what I observed and experienced was the

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Speaker 6: absolute failure and these people who were the good guys.

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Speaker 6: I've recount some stuff in the book about I had

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Speaker 6: evidence from Arizona, the state itself, which differed from a

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Speaker 6: study that the CDC put out and when I contacted

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Speaker 6: have data that's differing from what you have in your study.

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Speaker 6: And I knew what they had was wrong because I

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Speaker 6: had the official data. And their response to me was,

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Speaker 6: we look through it, there are no errors. When you

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Speaker 6: can't come back from something like that, and like I

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Speaker 6: remember just like kind of hunched over with like a

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Speaker 6: migraine that night talking to my wife. So to answer

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Speaker 6: your question, I'm I just feel entirely differently about how

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Speaker 6: the world works, and you just can't recover from something

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Speaker 6: like that. When you know, you would think something like

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Speaker 6: the NSA or fence department might pull some type of

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Speaker 6: BS on that this was a health department, and the

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Speaker 6: CDC they were lying through their teeth right to me

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Speaker 6: in email, saying there were no errors when I knew

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Speaker 6: they knew that I knew, and I knew that they

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Speaker 6: knew that I knew that this was complete BS and

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Speaker 6: they didn't care. You can't recover from something like that.

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Speaker 6: So my book is filled with kind of that type

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Speaker 6: of stuff where I this was this was almost like

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Speaker 6: a cathartic endeavor where I had to set the record

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Speaker 6: straight so people and hopefully not just your audience, though

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Speaker 6: I know they're going to be receptive, I think, but

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Speaker 6: I'm hoping that I can persuade some independent minded.

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Speaker 2: People as well.

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Speaker 6: That's my real goal is like to help people see

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Speaker 6: what's really going on.

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Speaker 2: David's wag everybody in abundance of caution, David, thank you

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Ras buck Sexton Show. There is

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Speaker 1: now another legal dispute that is underway. Harvard is reportedly

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Speaker 1: going to sue Trump and the Trump administration.

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Speaker 2: Over the withholding of billions of dollars in taxpayer dollars

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Speaker 2: that have otherwise been going to the the university Harvard,

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Speaker 2: but also a lot of other universities. And I grabbed

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Speaker 2: this stat and credit New York Times where it was,

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Speaker 2: and I shared it on social media the other day.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you have seen this yet, Buck,

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Speaker 2: but we are going to spend, or we did spend

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three sixty billion dollars in taxpayer money

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Speaker 2: more to colleges and universities, sixty billion dollars.

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Speaker 1: Harvard is getting billions of that. But the money is

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Speaker 1: being spent many different universities across the country, and this

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Speaker 1: was thirty times what they spent in nineteen fifty three

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Speaker 1: if you account for inflation. So there's a graphic, and

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Speaker 1: I shared the graphic and the New York Times had

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Speaker 1: it up, and you look at it, and what we

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Speaker 1: are spending on universities blew my mind. Here's a question

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Speaker 1: for you, because I would put this in the same category. Now,

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Speaker 1: the defense of this is going to be saying, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: they're doing research, and we want them doing research, development,

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Speaker 1: all these different things. If it's such a great idea,

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Speaker 1: why aren't the universities funding their own research and development?

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Speaker 1: Why is it the responsibility of you and me and

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Speaker 1: so many of you out there listening to us right

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Speaker 1: now to not only potentially be paying tuition and room

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Speaker 1: and board that is exorbitant for many of these colleges

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Speaker 1: and universities nationwide, but for us also to be fun

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Speaker 1: with our dollars huge amounts of the bureaucracy that exist

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Speaker 1: at these universities. I actually give Trump credit. I never

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Speaker 1: really thought about it before. I didn't know the dollars

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Speaker 1: were this extensive. Did you know that we were given

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Speaker 1: sixty billion dollars to colleges and universities and why should

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Speaker 1: we be doing this?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, one thing that you've heard a lot

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Speaker 2: about is this is for research for R and D. Okay,

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Speaker 2: like what, yeah, I want to know that if we're

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Speaker 2: hearing this, because there's a lot that you can say

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Speaker 2: is research. I mean, is this the kind of research

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Speaker 2: where we're spending money to find out the mating habits

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Speaker 2: of you know, TC flies or something like? What exactly

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Speaker 2: is this money being spent on at these schools or

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Speaker 2: even worse, is it looking at Is it just a

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Speaker 2: lot of people being hired to do sociology research to

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Speaker 2: for the progress of DEI initiatives? I mean, we have

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Speaker 2: no idea, right, So your first point, Clay, did I

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Speaker 2: know or do I think the general public had any

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Speaker 2: idea how much money was going to the university. I

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Speaker 2: knew the answer was that there was money, and it

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Speaker 2: was considerable. I didn't know sixty billion dollars. That's hot.

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Speaker 2: And the second part of it is, well, this is

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Speaker 2: where you get more into the Doge piece. What exactly

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Speaker 2: is this money being spent on? And then you can

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Speaker 2: add to that. We'll hold on a second why are

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Speaker 2: we to fund these universities. We've already decided that the

657
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Speaker 2: government's going to backstop the loans, so now everyone can

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Speaker 2: get a loan to go. I'll just be honest to

659
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Speaker 2: a workless four year college degree at a play or whatever,

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Speaker 2: at a place that does not have any incentive really

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Speaker 2: to make sure that it's graduates are getting jobs that

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Speaker 2: can help them pay back the loans, because it doesn't

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Speaker 2: matter to them. It's not their problem, right. The colleges

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Speaker 2: and universities have no incentive to address what the job

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Speaker 2: market actually looks like them. I'm saying they don't do

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Speaker 2: any of this, But from the macro view, it's just

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Speaker 2: there's no skin in the game for the college and universities,

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Speaker 2: and the tuition keeps going up because why not, because

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Speaker 2: it's not their problem. The government is backstopping this stuff,

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Speaker 2: and anybody can get these loans. So that's part one

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Speaker 2: of it, or rather that's part three of it. And

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Speaker 2: I just think that then you add to this the

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Speaker 2: ideological realization that we all have had for a long time,

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Speaker 2: but just what factories of insanity these places are. And

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Speaker 2: I think that the campus pro Hamas stuff was just

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Speaker 2: the latest iteration of this. But I mean I had

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Speaker 2: friends who were in law school Clay during the George

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Speaker 2: Floyd stuff, and what was law school and what was

679
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Speaker 2: being sent around in law schools was nuts. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: know you want to talk about do you do you

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Speaker 2: think any of them thought that Derek Chauvin should get

682
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Speaker 2: due process? This is law schools. Yeah, of course, of

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Speaker 2: course not.

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Speaker 1: I also think this ties in and I'm going to

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Speaker 1: start hammering this really aggressively. In PR said that Trump

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Speaker 1: was going to fire Pete Hegseth. You can go read

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Speaker 1: INPR dot org or INPR dot com or whatever the

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Speaker 1: heck their website is. It is full on left wing

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Speaker 1: propaganda daily. We compete with them. Why should regardless of

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Speaker 1: what your politics are, why should in PR be getting

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Speaker 1: millions and millions of dollars in government funding. We don't

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Speaker 1: get millions and millions of dollars in government funding. We

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Speaker 1: don't get favorable treatment when it comes to AD dollars

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Speaker 1: being allocated basically from the federal government. If we're directly

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Speaker 1: competing with NPR, which we are. Now, you know, you

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Speaker 1: guys have brains, so you probably don't listen to MPR

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Speaker 1: that often. But in many of the five hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty some odd stations that we are on on a

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Speaker 1: daily basis, there are a lot of stations out there

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Speaker 1: that will be top competing options with us, will be NPR.

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Speaker 1: There are lots of places out there where you might

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Speaker 1: live or you might not get this show and you

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Speaker 1: get MPR. Why is that not one of the first

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Speaker 1: things that they would cut to your point on dogebuck

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Speaker 1: And if NPR says, well, we're not getting that much money,

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Speaker 1: and they make the argument that said, Okay, why are

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Speaker 1: you getting any at all? And you are because it's

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Speaker 1: coming through local advertisements and everything else. I don't think

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Speaker 1: a single red scent of taxpayer money should go to

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Speaker 1: subsidize in PR's coverage in any way of their media outlet.

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Speaker 1: In the same way that I don't think we should

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Speaker 1: be spending millions of dollars on Politico subscriptions or anything else.

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Speaker 1: We shouldn't be giving them a penny.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, why, I mean, it's sure, the government, the

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Speaker 2: government in general, you don't really want in the business

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Speaker 2: of business. You want to let the American people do that.

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Speaker 2: Would we want the government to create a really bad

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Speaker 2: smartphone company? No, I think that there's plenty of people

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Speaker 2: already in that space. There are plenty of people in

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Speaker 2: the media space. We don't need incumbents who are little

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Speaker 2: piggies at the trough of government funding to continue to

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Speaker 2: do what they've been doing. So I completely completely agree

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Speaker 2: with that. And on that colleges and university side of things,

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Speaker 2: it's very clear. I mean, Harvard is just the most

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Speaker 2: prominent example. Understand this, everyone, Harvard has been violating the

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Speaker 2: Constitution for years with its submissions policies. Now you could

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Speaker 2: say at the time Harvard thought they were operating within Okay, fine,

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that we can hold them responsible after

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Speaker 2: the fact in a legal sense, but I do think

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Speaker 2: it's worth noting that Harvard has engaged in a long

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Speaker 2: practice of discrimination. And when it comes to discrimination, just

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Speaker 2: look at Section five of the Voting Rights Act. Places

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Speaker 2: end up being punished or being watched very closely for

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Speaker 2: historical discrimination, in some cases for decades or more. Right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is the reality of discrimination law, is

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Speaker 2: that once you find a place that has discriminated under

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Speaker 2: the law, they are under a dark cloud of suspicion

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Speaker 2: for a very long time. Legally speaking. Mind, you look

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Speaker 2: at Section five of the Voting Rights Act a perfect

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Speaker 2: example of what I'm talking about, although I think now

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Speaker 2: that Supreme Court's even looked at that and changed formula.

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Speaker 2: But put that aside, you know what I mean? In general,

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Speaker 2: I think Clay on this issue, Harvard has shown everybody

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Speaker 2: that the plan is to continue to get the money,

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Speaker 2: but to not have to abide by federal guidelines or

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Speaker 2: so why should you have your cake and either too,

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Speaker 2: Harvard place. Amen, it's effectively a hedge fund that also

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Speaker 2: has classes. At this point, it's got an you know

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Speaker 2: what is it? An eighty billion, sixty billion.

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Speaker 1: Fifty three billion dollar endowment as most recently, we don't

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Speaker 1: know what it's been for like the last year and change.

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Speaker 1: But to your point, when you take federal dollars, you

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Speaker 1: agree to be bound in some way by federal guidelines,

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Speaker 1: and the most basic of federal guidelines is don't discriminate

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Speaker 1: on the basis of race, and make sure that everybody

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Speaker 1: has an equal opportunity to be educated and they're not

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Speaker 1: going to be discriminated against based on ethnicity, religion, anything else.

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Speaker 1: They failed during the protests surrounding the October seventh related

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Speaker 1: incidents and many other universities failed as well. I told

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Speaker 1: our team to get doctor Larry arn There was a

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Speaker 1: great article interviewing him in the Wall Street Journal weekend edition.

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Speaker 1: He is the president of Hillsdale College. Hillsdale made the

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Speaker 1: decision we want our educational mission to be completely independent

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Speaker 1: of the United States government, and so we are not

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Speaker 1: going to take any of their dollars. Hillsdale has way

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Speaker 1: less money than Harvard does, and they have managed to

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Speaker 1: run their university independently without needing federal dollars. Why wouldn't

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Speaker 1: that be the standard for Harvard and less buck they

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Speaker 1: were feeding at the trough of special interest dollars. They've

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Speaker 1: got a fifty three billion dollar endowment. They can't afford

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Speaker 1: to run their university without taxpayer subsidies.

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Speaker 2: You would think you would think, you know, Harvard. At

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Speaker 2: one point, the reporting was that they were planning to

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Speaker 2: just batten down the hatches and do without the federal funds.

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Speaker 2: But I think they've realized, well, hold on it, it

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Speaker 2: would be for a number of years. Here you start

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Speaker 2: to do that math, and there was hundreds of millions

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Speaker 2: of dollars, feel like it's it actually adds up even

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Speaker 2: for Harvard. So this is a moment that we've been

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Speaker 2: waiting for on the right for a long time, which

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Speaker 2: is just more accountability. These universities have been given tremendous

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Speaker 2: preferential treatment. From the preferential treatment right, I mean, whether

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Speaker 2: it's about the tax tax policy supporting the student loans

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Speaker 2: with government backstopping, which I think is a bad idea.

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Speaker 2: Now even the discussion although you know Trump is going

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Speaker 2: to start Trump's Department of Education, not a Department of educator,

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Speaker 2: who's behind the loans? Who does the loans student lows?

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Speaker 2: They're going to start underwrit Yeah, it's a good question.

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering who does the collection or that. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, they're going to start collecting money again. Because

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Speaker 2: I was like Doe, that would actually mean they do

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Speaker 2: something that they're supposed to do. Yeah. So I think

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Speaker 2: that you're going to see more people paying attention to

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Speaker 2: this issue than they haven't in a while because of that.

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Speaker 2: And I also think that the universities have betrayed the

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Speaker 2: mandate that they've implicitly been given by the American people,

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Speaker 2: which is to educate future leadership and make our people

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Speaker 2: as smart and competitive in a global marketplace as possible. Instead,

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Speaker 2: they're educating a ton of foreigners. Okay, start with that,

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Speaker 2: because the foreigners pay full freight, no help with the

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Speaker 2: tuition whatever. You go to a lot of the elite

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Speaker 2: universities and everybody's from Beijing and Dubai. This is just

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Speaker 2: the truth. Not everybody, but huge percentages of these classes,

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Speaker 2: and they've become left wing and doctrination factories that are

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Speaker 2: churning out kids who don't know anything that's not good.

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Speaker 2: So they're getting slapped down. I like it.

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Speaker 1: I also would point out I think there are massive

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Speaker 1: lawsuits to be filed here. Some of these education loans

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Speaker 1: are indefensible. For instance, you shouldn't be able to take

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Speaker 1: out a loan of two hundred thousand dollars to get

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Speaker 1: a social work degree. You can never pay it back

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Speaker 1: when your job. And look, I appreciate the people who

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Speaker 1: take jobs that don't pay that well, but the fact

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Speaker 1: that these universities would loan somebody fuck two hundred grand

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Speaker 1: to get a job where you're going to make forty

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Speaker 1: grand a year, it doesn't ever add up that you

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Speaker 1: can ever pay these things off. To me, they're predatory. Also,

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Speaker 1: I think this is a function of hey, we should

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Speaker 1: be teaching actual basic math and investment and understanding in

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Speaker 1: schools because the people who agree to these loans, I

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Speaker 1: don't think they have any concept of how impossible it

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Speaker 1: is to ever pay them back. Right, if you're a

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Speaker 1: lawyer or doctor, someone getting a master's degree in business

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Speaker 1: or something like that, you would.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I wouldn't even tell people to get it. Look,

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Speaker 2: I looked at getting an MBA and from fancy places,

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Speaker 2: and I didn't do it. Now I'm sitting here with

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Speaker 2: Clay because I wanted to media instead. I think the

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Speaker 2: advance I think advanced degrees. People need far more honesty

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Speaker 2: in this discussion. Most advanced degrees are not worth very much,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of advanced degrees are truly worthless. In fact,

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Speaker 2: they put you deep in the hole. I'll perfect example,

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Speaker 2: you journalism. Don't ever get a master's in journalism. It

834
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Speaker 2: is a waste. I'm not even I don't even know

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Speaker 2: how journalism schools still exist. Like that's a whole It

836
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Speaker 2: is a waste of your time and a lot of

837
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Speaker 2: master's degrees in the humanities. Unless you are convinced you're

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Speaker 2: going to get a teaching job. That is the only

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Speaker 2: thing that they are worthwhile to do. Uh, and those

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Speaker 2: are very hard to come by, right, Clay, I mean

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Speaker 2: you look at this stuff. Most of the threes do

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Speaker 2: the waste.

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Speaker 1: I don't think people do the math, and I think, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: we have a lot of people who don't understand how

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Speaker 1: loans work, and a lot of people who don't understand

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Speaker 1: how interest rates work. And you don't even sit back

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Speaker 1: and think how you're going to bankrupt yourself basically getting

848
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Speaker 1: a degree that never pays you.

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Speaker 2: Actually, I qualified for master's credit from Georgetown School Foreign

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Speaker 2: Service as an undergrad. So I got master's credit as

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Speaker 2: an undergrad. You know what? The master's credit was for

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00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: a class just like the classes I was taking in undergrad.

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Speaker 2: I remember thinking, so I would just go to school

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Speaker 2: for two more years to do two more years of

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Speaker 2: reading books that I could read on my own. I

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Speaker 2: don't think so.

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Speaker 1: Lessons in Life from Clay and Buck. As hard as

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Speaker 1: in December and I saw for myself how dangerous it

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Speaker 2: Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We've got Congressman Chip

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Speaker 2: Roy with us now. Sorry, I got my guest timeslots

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Speaker 2: confused here, but he's fantastic and we appreciate him being

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Speaker 2: here with us. Congressman Roy, appreciate you. And let's talk

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Speaker 2: about this. Why are your colleagues all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: taking these taxpayer funded boondoggles down to El Salvador. What

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Speaker 2: do they think they're going to prove with this?

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Speaker 5: Well, let's kind of hope we're going to talk about

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Speaker 5: A and M and UT baseball and Austin, but we'll

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Speaker 5: we'll get to that in a little bit. But look,

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Speaker 5: we've got we've got my Democratic colleague. You're doing what

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Speaker 5: they do best right now. And what I mean by

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Speaker 5: that is they very much believe, and I believe they

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Speaker 5: mean this. They believe that non citizens should vote. They

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Speaker 5: believe that non citizens should be able to flood into

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Speaker 5: the United States, frankly, at whatever level they see fit,

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Speaker 5: regardless of the law. And they believe that they're in

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Speaker 5: better standing to try to go defend somebody who has

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Speaker 5: very obvious ties to MS thirteen, with two courts having

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Speaker 5: acknowledged that very strong reality or likelihood, and they're fine

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Speaker 5: going down to try to defend them, rather than standing

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Speaker 5: up for the Americans. Who were hurt. Now, I mean

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Speaker 5: a lot of people have been saying this. I mean,

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Speaker 5: that's nothing new about what I'm saying, But look, I

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Speaker 5: got to be very personal here when I've gotten to

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Speaker 5: know Alexis Nunger at the wonderful twenty eight year old

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Speaker 5: woman whose daughter Jocelyn was murdered last summer by Trende

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Speaker 5: and Agua outside of Houston. That's a real person, a

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Speaker 5: real individual who lost their life directly. It's consequence of

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Speaker 5: the people released into our country. And now Democrats want

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Speaker 5: to go to Al Salvador to hold up as a

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Speaker 5: poster child an individual who has an order of removal,

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Speaker 5: who was had his wife go like file charging against him,

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Speaker 5: who was stopped transporting a car load of illegals in

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Speaker 5: a car, and who has non affiliation on MS thirteen.

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Speaker 5: And that is the poster child for who Democrats would

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Speaker 5: have put front and center, Not Rachel Moran and her family,

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Speaker 5: not Joscelyn Hungary's family, not Kayla Hamilton's family. And that's

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Speaker 5: how out of touch Democrats are. But the good news

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Speaker 5: is President Trump is trying to do the right thing,

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Speaker 5: and Republicans in Congress hopefully are waking up to try

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Speaker 5: to support what President Trump is doing.

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Speaker 1: How much of this is just a big structural issue.

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Speaker 1: We were talking earlier in the show Congressman about the

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Speaker 1: fact that this is just basically a math problem. If

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Speaker 1: Biden is going to have, as he did, let in

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Speaker 1: around ten million illegals, and if you look at the

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Speaker 1: rate with which Trump is able to deport, let's say

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Speaker 1: he's going to be able to get three hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty thousand people from inside the country out, basic math

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Speaker 1: would say it would take thirty years of that to

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Speaker 1: get the ten million that just came in in the

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Speaker 1: last four years, to say nothing of all the people

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Speaker 1: who've come in before. How much of this is structural

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Speaker 1: in that the president has to have the ability to

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Speaker 1: get people out of the country as easily as the

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Speaker 1: prior president had to let people into the country.

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Speaker 2: That's the real battle here in essence, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's where very well stated. And so for those

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Speaker 5: of us who in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, even under

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Speaker 5: the Trump administration, who was dealing with the complexities of

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Speaker 5: the law to try to secure the border himself, and

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Speaker 5: ultimately COVID was a part of that as well. But

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Speaker 5: then all through the mine administration when we were all saying, guys,

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Speaker 5: they're doing this on purpose. They're violating and abusing parole

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Speaker 5: and asylum in our country. We put in place these

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Speaker 5: laws to try to help people, and they're abusing these

947
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Speaker 5: to flood the zone. It's intentional because they know how

948
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Speaker 5: hard it will be to remove them. Right now, think

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Speaker 5: about this, Democrats are doubling down on this guy. Imagine

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Speaker 5: what they'll do when it is the you know grandmother,

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Speaker 5: you know who is not a criminal or doesn't have

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Speaker 5: a criminal history, who came here illegally and was wrongfully

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Speaker 5: paroled into the United States, put ahead of other people,

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Speaker 5: flooding our zone, burdening our systems and medicating the hospital

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Speaker 5: and all that, but isn't a criminal. You know how

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Speaker 5: that will go. And to your point about the numbers, Okay,

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Speaker 5: this is why the president and why his team are

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Speaker 5: fighting this so hard. The president needs to have significant

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Speaker 5: authority and I believe does to push back and release

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Speaker 5: people who were wrongfully put into the United States who

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Speaker 5: or citizens of other countries. It is the only way

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Speaker 5: to have a sovereign nation. I believe that the president,

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Speaker 5: believe the Vice President of believe Stephen Miller. I believe

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Speaker 5: Tom Homan, I believe they are all correct when they

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Speaker 5: are trying to push back on that notion.

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Speaker 2: Speaking to Congressmanship Roy out of Texas a congressman, and

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Speaker 2: what is it that they I asked Clay this yesterday.

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Speaker 2: We tried to walk through this so to make the

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Speaker 2: Democrats who were going down to El Salvador not for vacation,

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Speaker 2: but to meet with Abrago Garcia, to make them happy,

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Speaker 2: Trump would negotiate a a I guess a deal or

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Speaker 2: put it a request with Buquali, the president of El Salvador,

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Speaker 2: to bring this illegal back to America, so that then

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Speaker 2: we could say, hey, he's an illegal and send him

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Speaker 2: back to El Salvador. Or or is it just that

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Speaker 2: they want to bring him back and then try to

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Speaker 2: jam up the process so he gets to stay, Like

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Speaker 2: what is their preferred outcome?

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Speaker 5: The goal of Democrats is to empower courts to be

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Speaker 5: able to process every single individual who was parolled into

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Speaker 5: the United States or released into the United States under

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Speaker 5: his stylo laws, under which is a million people, and

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Speaker 5: to be able to say that each one of them

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Speaker 5: has an individual claim and due process right to get

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Speaker 5: into court to adjudicate the claim, and I don't believe

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Speaker 5: that is accurate. Right, they had an administrative process we're

987
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Speaker 5: going through and determining what their status is, but they

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Speaker 5: do not like this is not due process in the

989
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Speaker 5: sense for all your listeners out there right there, these

990
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Speaker 5: individuals aren't charged with a crime like murder as a nonsenizen.

991
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Speaker 5: They come in here and they murder somebody, or I

992
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Speaker 5: mean some of them are, by the way. But in

993
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Speaker 5: this question, it's not that as to whether, okay, are

994
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Speaker 5: they getting into process, are they getting a lawyer, Are

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Speaker 5: they getting a chance to go into court and prove

996
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Speaker 5: their guilt or innocence. This is literally a question of

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Speaker 5: status and it's an administrative process and they're trying to

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Speaker 5: get into court. So yeah, I mean, Steven Miller outlined

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Speaker 5: this pretty well. When you describe the situation with Garcia

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Speaker 5: down in l Salvador is saying, well, okay, you want

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Speaker 5: to fly him back here, Well, we can release them

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Speaker 5: to some other country.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: So even if you accept that we can't and bel

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Speaker 5: Salvador because he's threatened by some other game, which was

1006
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Speaker 5: his position five years ago, he would still be deportable

1007
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Speaker 5: to another country because a judges already issued an order

1008
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Speaker 5: of removal, and that is not the best of my understanding,

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Speaker 5: appealable other than in the context of the administrative proceedings

1010
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Speaker 5: in question. It's not a due process claim. So this

1011
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Speaker 5: is what Democrats are trying to do. They're trying to

1012
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Speaker 5: game the system in order to achieve the objective. They're

1013
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Speaker 5: objective of NGOs going into court and filing suit on

1014
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Speaker 5: every individual who's released into our country so the president

1015
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Speaker 5: cannot release or remove them by class as Joe Biden

1016
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Speaker 5: allowed them to come in by class.

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Speaker 1: Congressman Ship Roway with us right now. Earlier this show,

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Speaker 1: we started off with a clip that I bet you've

1019
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Speaker 1: seen that has gone viral of Elizabeth Warren trying to

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Speaker 1: explain why she in any way backed the mental and

1021
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Speaker 1: physical fitness of Joe Biden. I'm curious, what is the

1022
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Speaker 1: long term fallout in your mind of the biggest why

1023
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Speaker 1: that's been told in a very, very long time when

1024
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Speaker 1: it comes to the legacy media and also behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: Were Democrats in Congress, were they acknowledging that they thought

1026
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Speaker 1: there were issues with Biden but they wouldn't say it publicly.

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Speaker 1: How much discussion do you think there was among Democrats

1028
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Speaker 1: about what all of us and certainly we've been talking

1029
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Speaker 1: about on this show for years, could clearly see.

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Speaker 5: Well to the second question, which relates to the first.

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Speaker 5: For the most part, my Democrat colleagues I've met had

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Speaker 5: a handful of friends who would very honestly and openly

1033
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Speaker 5: acknowledge their concerns when you'd have a private conversation, but

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Speaker 5: they were very tight lift about it publicly because the

1035
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Speaker 5: overwhelming motivating factor for Democrats for the last nine years

1036
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Speaker 5: has been hostility to Donald Trump. Sit that has literally

1037
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Speaker 5: been their entire motivating factor. So it did not matter

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Speaker 5: to them that Joe Biden was very clearly mentally not present.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if you all remember, but last July

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Speaker 5: after the debate, when.

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Speaker 1: I think we lost it there for a second, broke up,

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Speaker 1: see if we can get him back here sec to

1043
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Speaker 1: finish up the interview. The other thing that's that's floating

1044
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Speaker 1: around out there, Buck is all these books coming out.

1045
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Speaker 1: I wonder on some level whether the Breillo Garcia conversation

1046
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Speaker 1: and everything else is a desperate attempt to keep people

1047
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Speaker 1: from looking at all of these stories that come out.

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Speaker 2: I understand it's in.

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Speaker 1: The past but it's such a miscalculation to me to

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Speaker 1: focus on a Braill Garcia as the front facing element

1051
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Speaker 1: of the Trump deportation policies that I just find it

1052
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Speaker 1: almost incomprehensibly dumb that this could be as calculated of

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Speaker 1: a decision as it appears to be, that you could decide, Hey,

1054
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Speaker 1: this is the ground upon which we want to fight,

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Speaker 1: and I think we've got Congressman Chip Roy back with

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Speaker 1: us right now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, sorry about that, Clay. All I was saying was

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Speaker 5: I introduced resolution calling on the Vice President to carry

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Speaker 5: out the twenty fifth Amendment, right, And why I did

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Speaker 5: that was because it was very I wanted to call

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Speaker 5: the question, because it was important that the question get called.

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Speaker 5: But to your point, Democrats, let's get back to the

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Speaker 5: core basis, which by the way, relates to the border

1064
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Speaker 5: issue and immigration. They don't care. It's all about political power.

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Speaker 5: It is literally all about political power. And I wish

1066
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Speaker 5: I didn't have to say that, right, I mean, it

1067
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Speaker 5: oughtn't be that way. I right to be able to

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Speaker 5: sit down with some of my Democrat colleagues and figure

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Speaker 5: out issues that are important for our people. But right

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Speaker 5: now it is animus towards Trump and it is at

1071
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Speaker 5: opening the floodgates to people to try to build a

1072
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Speaker 5: political base for themselves for power. And that's it, that

1073
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Speaker 5: is driving everything they are doing. It's about political power.

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Speaker 2: Congress and Roy, appreciate you being with us, sir, Thank you,

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: Guys.

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Speaker 1: We'll break down a little bit more of that we

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Speaker 1: come back. We'll take more of your talkbacks as well.

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Speaker 1: But I want to tell you a Tunnel to Towers

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Speaker 1: does incredible work. I was down at the West Palm

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Speaker 1: Beach Trump golf Course a couple of weeks ago there,

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Speaker 1: be having a big event at Bedminster, another event here

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Speaker 1: some of those may not be able to play. But

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Speaker 1: I was up at Liberty National raising millions of dollars

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Speaker 1: James Dickman, passionate about fire safety, aspired to do everything

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Speaker 2: Fellow firefighters safe. While responding to an apartment fire, James

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Speaker 2: Arson James leaves behind his loving wife, Jamie and their children.

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Speaker 2: Page and Grant Tunnel.

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Speaker 1: The Towers gave the Dickman family the gift of a mortgage

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Speaker 7: You can count on and some laughs too.

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Speaker 2: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 2: Jesse Kelly tears it Up Week nine, six to nine

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