1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford joint as always 3 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague Western Hotcoats. Were coming to you 4 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: here from our studios at lambeau Field, back from London 5 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: West and unfortunately here to talk about a disappointing Packers 6 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: lost twenty two to the New York Giants at Tottenham 7 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: Hotspur Stadium. And you know, I remember distinctly our first 8 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: episode after the New England game. We spent quite a 9 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: bit of time in that episode talking about how the 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: Packers are. You know, their play both sides of the ball, 11 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: up and down, lots of wild swings, lots of inconsistency. 12 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: The bottom line is that inconsistency caught up with them 13 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: overseas and it cost him a ball game that that 14 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: everybody knows they should have won. Yeah, I mean, that 15 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: was the message. Afterwards, Kenny Clark talked about it. A 16 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: lot of guys, you know, put that that label on 17 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: it. It It was a bad loss. It was an emotional 18 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: loss for the Green Bay Packers, not because they had 19 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: so many fans there, the fact that this was the 20 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,199 Speaker 1: international debut. It's how they controlled the tempo of the game, 21 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: especially in the first quarter, but even in the first 22 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: half when when the Giants were being able to move 23 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: the ball a little bit, it's still felt like a 24 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: game that if green Bay limits the explosive plays and 25 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: offensively protects the football, they were going to be able 26 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: to get back to North America four and one. But 27 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: we saw so many things work against them that have 28 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,559 Speaker 1: kind of been calling cards so far. The third down 29 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: defense kind of forsaking them a little bit. Green Bay 30 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: starting over three, forcing those you know, forcing the Giants 31 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: off the field on back to back drive to start 32 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: the game to be able to get out to that lead, 33 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: but then conversion after conversion, it didn't matter if it 34 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: was third and short, it didn't matter if it was 35 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: third and long. The Giants were making them pay that. 36 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: That was the first sign for me that something was 37 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: just a miss with the Packers defense in this game. 38 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: Was the Giants first touchdown drive of the game. They 39 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: converted on both a third and thirteen and a third 40 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: and nine on that same drive and then eventually scored 41 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: the touchdown that pulled them within seventeen ten. Then the 42 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: Packers got a field goal right at the end of 43 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: the half to to get it to twenty ten at 44 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: the intermission. But the Packers defense has been so good 45 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: on third down, had been so good on third down, 46 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: and to see to see them give up seeming, you know, 47 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: somewhat easily in a way. Although the second one, the 48 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: third and nine, I give the Giants receiver credit. He 49 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: made a heck of a play with the with the 50 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 1: hit he took and the tackle attempt there by the Packers. 51 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: But to see the Packers give up a third and 52 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: thirteen and a third and nine on the same drive 53 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: and the Giants score touchdown, I just started to wonder, 54 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: what's what's going on with the defense here in this ballgame? 55 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: And then and and honestly, things just things just did 56 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: not get better for green based defense too. But at 57 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: the end of the day, to me, when you talk 58 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: about the the ups and downs and and the wild 59 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: swings in terms of the quality of play on both 60 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: sides of the ball, we saw it against Tampa Bay, 61 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: but the Packers stopped the two point conversion. We saw 62 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: it against New England, but then the defense with the 63 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: Packers losing in the fourth quarter to a rookie third 64 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,839 Speaker 1: string quarterback, but the defense rises up and gets three 65 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: consecutive three and outs, including overtime and uh and the 66 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: Packers offense gets the tie and puts together the drive 67 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: to win in overtime. It was the clutch moments, the 68 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: crunch time moments that the Packers made the plays in 69 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: those games to win. Despite the inconsistencies, those crunch time 70 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: plays were missing for the Packers. They didn't make them. 71 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: They didn't they didn't make them inside the ten yard 72 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: line on offense at the end, they didn't make them 73 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: on defense when they had when they had the chances 74 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: to possibly hold the Giants to field goals on those 75 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: second half drives. If you don't make the plays that 76 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: crunch time, you're not gonna win in this league. That's 77 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: just how it works. Yeah, that's why this game was 78 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: so peculiar to me because early on Green Bay was 79 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: making those plays, and my thought process going in is okay, 80 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: if anything is going to happen here, based on the 81 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: track record and based on this weird trip that they're on, 82 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,559 Speaker 1: maybe it's a slow start. Really wasn't a slow start. 83 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: They were able to move the ball efficiently, didn't have 84 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: any huge explosive runs. We're able to build enough off 85 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: of it. Early on, you were able to get the 86 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: passing game going. The rhythm was there. I thought Alan 87 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: Lazard was blocking well. They did the the cool little 88 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: uh play action past Mercedes Lewis. They had some of 89 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: the jet sweep motions going with Christian Watson and Randall 90 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: Cobb was doing some really impressive things again on money downs. 91 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: In the second half, everything flipped where it was now 92 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: the Giants that were the ones converting. It was Sae Kwon. 93 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: Barkley was the one hitting the explosives, the forty yards 94 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: off of the wildcat, the forty one yard hass after 95 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: he leaves the game momentarily with the shoulder he re enters, 96 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: comes free in the secondary and is able to break 97 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: up a big gain on what ends up being the 98 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: go ahead scoring drive for New York and Green Bay 99 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: just didn't have any answers. You look at the long 100 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: consider the sustainable drives that New York had starting at 101 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: their own nine going yards. Twelve play series, fifteen play 102 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: series again, getting back to that that handbook for defensive play. 103 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: The reason you want to limit the explosive in addition 104 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 1: to the fact that it gets the opposition closer to 105 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: the end zone. It's also about the more plays that 106 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: a team has to run, the better possibility and probability 107 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: you're going to have it a takeaway. Green Bay just 108 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: wasn't able to get any takeaways in this Again, they 109 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: weren't able to you know, keep them, you know, the 110 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: penalties mounted up. There just were so many different small 111 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: things that early on in that game when they were 112 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: getting some pressure on Daniel Jones, they were doing a 113 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: good job against a quan that was allowing them to 114 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: to kind of control the town bow. Once they lost that, 115 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: they just couldn't regain it. Yeah, here's here's what I 116 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: want to do. I want to turn the show in 117 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: a little bit different direction from normal because there's so 118 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: much out there about the you know, the three passes 119 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: for the three and out with the score twenty to twenty, 120 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: the plays on the third and short and fourth and 121 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: short inside the ten yard line, all of that being discussed. 122 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur talked about all of that at length in 123 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: his news conference. You talked about it in inbox that 124 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: I've got more in inbox on Wednesday morning. My story 125 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: Monday night after Matt la Fleur's press conference has a 126 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of that stuff crystallized. So here's 127 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: what I want to ask you. It was seventeen to 128 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: three packers, it was twenty to ten packers at halftime. 129 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: What did you feel if you were to point to 130 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: one thing, because to me, there were a lot of moments, 131 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: But what did you feel was the turning point? For me? 132 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: And I wrote about this an inbox and I think 133 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: your point that you're going to make two is really good. 134 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: But for me, it was the Rashan Gary sack and 135 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: it it was first of the second first play the 136 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: second half because my thought process there is, okay, even 137 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: if the offense is kind of stuttering, you know, struggling 138 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: a little bit, they're going to be able to find themselves. 139 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: There's going to I think they're gonna be able to 140 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: run a for minute offense if they maintain this lead. 141 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: Gary gets an eleven yard sack, and everything that the 142 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: Giants were doing up until that point was sort of 143 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: out of the Green Bay Packers playbook. Manageable third downs, 144 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: high percentage throws, being able to move the chains with 145 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: your running back, and when they go back eleven yards 146 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: on first down. In addition to the fact the emotional 147 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: side of that at Rashaan Gary being able to actually 148 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: get his fifth straight sack and his fifth straight game 149 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: of the season. It was going to be hard for 150 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: Jones in that offense with the back to the wall, 151 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: down three receivers to be able to I feel like 152 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: convert to get second and twenty one to be third 153 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: and manageable and to get the ball moving down field. 154 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: But the other reason I point to that play is 155 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: there's a subject active element to defensive holding. Russell Douglas 156 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: was called for that on that play. It gave them 157 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: the automatic first down and wiped out the sack for Gary. 158 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: And when I look at the defense, they kept the 159 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: ball carry in front of them at times. But in 160 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: terms of making a play, that was kind of the 161 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: last one for Green Band this matchup. Yeah, I don't 162 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: I don't discount that one at all. I do think 163 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: that was a big play at that time. You know, 164 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: the Giants had had driven for a touchdown, as we 165 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,239 Speaker 1: talked about the third and thirteen third nine, they'd driven 166 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: for a touchdown in the second quarter, but they only 167 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: had ten points on the board. And if they're starting 168 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: out the second half, that opening possession of the second 169 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: half and second and twenty one instead of, you know, 170 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: getting bailed out by the defensive holding call. I do 171 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: think that that could have changed things for me though. 172 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: For me, though, the turning point was a little bit 173 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: later than that, and it was after the Giants had 174 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: taken that opening possession of the second half and gone 175 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: down and kicked a field goal, and it was thirteen. 176 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: The Packers came back the other way. They got inside 177 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: the New York forty yard line. I believe they're on 178 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: the thirty six yard line, and it was third and 179 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: eight at right there, you're looking at a fifty four 180 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: yard Mason Crosby field goal. Certainly the way he was 181 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: kicking in that game, I think that's uh. I think 182 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: that's a reasonable one. And even if you can get 183 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: any positive yards there, even if you don't convert the 184 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: third and eight, make that a shorter field goal. Getting 185 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: three points there, you re established the two score lead, 186 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: just like you did at the end of the first half. 187 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: It's twenty three to thirteen. Then, with what was going 188 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: wrong with the defense, If the Giants go down and 189 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: get a touchdown, the Packers are still winning. It's twenty 190 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: to twenty. To me. The sack on third and eight 191 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: on that opening Green Bay possession of the second half 192 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: that took the Packers out of field goal range. That's 193 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: the one that felt like the turning point for me, 194 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: because then suddenly this game that the Packers felt in 195 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: control of and they were on the verge of re 196 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: establishing a two score lead, then suddenly that doesn't happen. 197 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: The Giants go the other way and score, and it's 198 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: a tie game, and and everything just felt so so 199 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 1: different after that. So it's it's just interesting. I think 200 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: there there there are certainly many points and and that's 201 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: not the discount what the Giants did at crunch time 202 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: and what the Packers didn't do at crunch time, because 203 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: that's what the that's what this game came down to. 204 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: But um, if I made but but but there were 205 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: there were there were just those moments where you you felt, 206 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: you felt things turning, and to me, that was the 207 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: most important one. You thought it was the Gary play. 208 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: I think that's a valid choice as well. But if 209 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: I can add an amendment to yours too that I 210 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: think factors into this, it's that not only if you 211 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: get those three points there, how valuable could those three 212 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: points be in a game? Like this. It's also the 213 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: fact that Green Bay Special teams came through. They down 214 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: the punt at the nine yard line, and then the 215 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: Giants come back with the fifteen plays and after that 216 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: that's where they tie the game. And now you're starting 217 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: to look in the mirror a little bit like Okay, 218 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: now it's not just close for comfort anymore. This is 219 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: jimate to sudden Suddenly it was anybody. It was anybody's ball. 220 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: It was anybody's ballgame there, and the Giants had all 221 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: the u had all the momentum on their side. Um, 222 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 1: I'll take care of some sponsor business here West and 223 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: then I want to ask you another question. Serious X 224 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: and NFL Radio delivers hard hitting analysis and up to 225 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: the NFL news that true football fanatics need seven three 226 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: six and ad Cousin Subs. 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I'm not asking you know you 236 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: and I are not XS and OS experts, were not 237 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: NFL football coaches. But I'm interested in your opinion. What 238 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 1: do you think from this game, this London trip, the 239 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: tough loss, frustrating loss. What's the biggest lesson the Packers 240 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: have to learn from this game? What do they have 241 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: to take from it to move forward. It's an excellent 242 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: question because I think there are a lot of answers 243 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: to it, and I don't think any of them are 244 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: necessarily wrong. I look at the offense um, it just 245 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: it was so easy in that first quarter, especially to 246 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: see again the longest carry that the Packers had was 247 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: eleven yards. It wasn't like they were just running up 248 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: and down the field on the Giants. But there was 249 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: that statistic afterwards about how neither Aaron Jones nor A J. 250 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: Dylan had been tackled within two yards of the line 251 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. They just consistently moved the ball. What does 252 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: that tell you You're consistently ending up in those second 253 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: and favorable third and favorables and ultimately converting Green Bay 254 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: just got away from that and and I totally get it. 255 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur for twenty six minutes did an exemplary job 256 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: of explaining, you know, basically the can plays the run 257 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: solutions all that makes total sense. But we go back 258 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: to it, Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon are your two 259 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: top playmakers. Packers know this, the opponent knows this. And 260 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: I was asked this question on the pregame radio show. 261 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: But with Dennis Crousey asking about this version of the 262 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: Packers can they is this sustainable? Going back to last week, 263 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: I said it probably isn't because teams are going to 264 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: load the box. They are going to do things to 265 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: take those running backs away. But as of right now, 266 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: in week five and week six, that's the Packers as 267 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: the crow flies, you know solution. I feel like to 268 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: winning ball games, they weren't able to do it. And 269 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: it isn't just about hey, put the ball in their hands. 270 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: It's that the Packers are really freaking good at it. 271 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: Mercedes Lewis had some exceptional blocks, especially on that last 272 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: drive trying to get down to tie the game up. 273 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 1: Al Lazard for my money, Mike is the best blocking 274 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: receiver in this league. It's not just that well run 275 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: the ball or whatever. You know, Aaron Rodgers is great too, 276 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: but they are just they are built to do this 277 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: in a way that any other Packer of teams I've 278 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: covered have not been built for. Yeah, I'm with you, 279 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: I'm with you, and in that I think one needs 280 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: to be taken from this is that. And and I 281 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: understand with regard to with regard to the running backs 282 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: that you have your run at run alerts, your run solutions, 283 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: whatever term you want to use. Where Rogers, you know, 284 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: spits the ball out horizontally and and the that was 285 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: extremely efficient as the Packers racked up twenty points in 286 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: this game. Matt Lafleur is calling those plays, and those 287 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: plays are you know, the first option, so to speak, 288 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: is the handoff to run the ball. Things get changed, 289 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: it goes somewhere else, and and and that's working. I 290 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: think at the end of the day, I think, I 291 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: think what the Packers need to take out of this though, 292 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: is and this is the line I'm that that will 293 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: be in Wednesday Mornings Insider inbox. I think they need 294 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: to be both stubborn as well as creative in getting 295 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: the ball to Jones and Dylan. If if the run 296 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: solutions take those opportunities away from them, so be it. 297 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: But then you still need to find ways. And I 298 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: don't care if you hand it off. I don't care 299 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: if you pitch it, if you throw it, if you 300 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: want to do push passes off of jet motion, whatever. 301 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: I just I think those, as you said at the 302 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: very beginning of your comment, Jones and Dillon are the 303 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: Packers two best playmakers on offense. And I think you 304 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: have to you have to be stubborn and creative in 305 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: getting them in getting them the football, because to run 306 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: sixty plays and for those two guys to only touch 307 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: the ball nineteen times, that's not going to be a 308 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: winning formula for the Green Bay Packers in the long haul. 309 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: And and I think everybody knows that. I think the 310 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: coaches know it, and the players know it. It's a 311 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: game that got away from him that they shouldn't have lost. 312 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: But I think that on the offensive side of the ball, 313 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: to me, that's the lesson. And I'm not going to 314 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: keep beating you know that the horse here. But it 315 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: goes back to that twenty five touches thing. We talked 316 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: about and the fact that they are still undefeated in 317 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: this regular season actual with Aaron Rodgers. When those two 318 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: guys are able to go over that mark, I also 319 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: just feel like, whatever you have to do, and I 320 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: think the stubborn word is perfect for it. A J. 321 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: Dillon can't he just have six carries, especially when he 322 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: produces the way he did thirty or four yards. I mean, 323 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: he was productive in this game and he only touched 324 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: the ball six times. You have to you have to 325 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: find ways to feed those horses. There's a lot of 326 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: time left here at this offense is still finding itself. 327 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: Christian Watson leaves with a hamstring that required an adjustment. 328 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: And I don't want to completely crap on the run 329 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: solutions because you go back to the New England game. 330 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: They partially won that game because of the run solutions, 331 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: because of those quick flares out to Dobbs. They put 332 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: up twenty points against the Giants in the first half 333 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: in large part because of those run solutions. You can't 334 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: you can't just say you have to stop doing that. 335 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: That that's that That's my point is that you can't 336 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: totally get away from that. But if though if those 337 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: are taking opportunities away from thirty three and twenty eight, 338 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: then you have to make sure opportunities for them are 339 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: being built back in so that they are still a 340 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: major part of what's going on. You have to make 341 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: sure you're still making the same recipe. If the recipe 342 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: calls for twelve cupcakes and you had to make some concessions, 343 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: that's fine. But when Tommy and Susie go back into 344 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: the catch a kitchen, they still want to have their 345 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: twelve cupcakes. You have to find a way to make 346 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: it work. On the defensive side of the ball. What 347 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: do you think here? This This was we've we've seen 348 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: as we talked about it was. It was. It's been 349 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: an up and down ride for the Packers defense. They 350 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: you know, they were great for a long stretch against Chicago, 351 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: then two drives get away from him. They were great 352 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: almost the entire game, fifty eight minutes against Tom Brady 353 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: and the Buccaneers. Then Brady did what he did, you know, 354 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: does what he does to almost anybody in a in 355 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: a two minute drive. The defense was very very solid 356 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: for what nine really for nine out of eleven possessions 357 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: against against New England. So I don't want I don't 358 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: want to completely dump on the defense, but but to 359 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: suddenly see this defense give up five consecutive scoring drives 360 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: twenty seven points without being able to get off the 361 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: field on third down, force upon do something to change 362 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: the momentum. What does the defense have to take away 363 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: from this performance as it moves forward. Well, one, you 364 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna use this is too because I 365 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: think you're gonna want to talk about it, so I'll 366 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: bring it up. Secondly, first, and I don't know what 367 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: the answer is might because I am again not a 368 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: next as an Ow's guy, But the crossers have become 369 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: an issue. The production in the middle of the field 370 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: has become an issue. Question. Now, I can't sit here 371 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: and tell you, oh, you know, the nickel corner needs 372 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: to be doing this, the free safety needs to be 373 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: pulling up. I don't know all that stuff that the 374 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: mixing and matching of you know, quarters coverage and and 375 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: you know man, all these different things that you can do. 376 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: But I think everybody agrees. And the stats are incredible 377 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: when you look at them. The fact that the Packers 378 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: do have the number two ranked past defense in the 379 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: National Football League, but there's this amount of air traffic 380 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: in the middle of the feet that they're giving up 381 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: yards on the second part that that I'm guessing you're 382 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: gonna want to branch off too, because you wrote a 383 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: nice story about it. Is the fact that whether it's 384 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: the communication, whether it's the sense of urgency, whatever, it is, 385 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: this defense getting set up, looking confident and also executing. 386 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: That's the one thing these last two games. And maybe 387 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: I'm just you know, identifying it more because it's been 388 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: a topic of conversation, but you see a lot of 389 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: snap like pre snap communications seconds before the ball is snap, 390 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,959 Speaker 1: where guys are trying to talk to each other. It 391 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: doesn't look like a unit right now that is I 392 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,479 Speaker 1: don't want to say confident, but there looks to be 393 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: some uncertainty there that you have to get figured out. Yeah. 394 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: I thought it was really interesting because with what la 395 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: Fleur said, essentially what he opened his twenty six minute 396 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: media session on Monday with regard to talking about the defense, 397 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: because they're all there's all these things floating floating around 398 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: out there about well do the new to play more 399 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: man versus zone or or you know, what about the 400 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: what about blitz is or you know, playing more aggressively 401 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: in this and that, and and I think there there's 402 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: certainly a time for those discussions. But it was very 403 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: interesting to me that that what the head coach pointed 404 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 1: to immediately after watching the film of the defense was 405 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: seeing guys not in position quickly and efficiently prior to 406 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: the snap to where then they can they can look 407 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: for they can look for the tells, they can you know, 408 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: diagnose the formation, reflect on their film study to potentially 409 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: know what's coming and and be able to read. I mean, 410 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: you know how this league works. I mean, if you're 411 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: a half step slow in your reaction, that can be 412 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 1: the difference between a third down stop and a first 413 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 1: down or god forbid, a touchdown. Right. So the fact 414 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: that la Fleur pointed to that I thought, I thought 415 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: was very was very interesting because to me, that's a 416 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: that's an easily fixable issue if getting you know, getting 417 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: the call communicated and and he said, it's on the 418 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: call getting in as well as the players then after 419 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: the call is communicated to get out there to get 420 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: to their spots. Because if they are, if they are 421 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: at their spots and everybody's on their toes, then if 422 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: you do have to make a last second adjustment before 423 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: the snap. It becomes a lot easier, right because everybody's 424 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,959 Speaker 1: in tune, everybody's all set and ready to go, and 425 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: then a switch like that isn't isn't quite as difficult 426 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: or taxing to process. So I thought that was interesting 427 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: and I'll be I'll be very interested to watch now 428 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: that we will be um back up, you know, from 429 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: the high perch at lambeau Field for this next game, 430 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: to see what the defense looks like now that La 431 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: Fleur has made this point, to see what it looks 432 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: like coming out of the huddle, how do they get 433 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: to their spots and what is and what is happening 434 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: pre snap. I think that's definitely going to be a 435 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: story with this defense, because we know the personnel is there. 436 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: But by and large, it's not like you take the 437 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: whole scheme and throw it out because you had one game. 438 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: This is the same scheme that completely shut down the 439 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: San Francisco forty niners, and you know, with the season 440 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: on the line in a playoff game last January, it's 441 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: not that you know, you don't take everything and throw 442 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: it away, but there are things that need to there 443 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: are things that need to be addressed and things that 444 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: need to be fixed, and I and I'm curious to 445 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: see how they how they respond after hearing what Matt 446 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: la Fleur had to say about it. Yeah, and we'll 447 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: talk about the Jets there this week. But I mean, 448 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 1: the game is gonna be very similar, I think in 449 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: a lot of ways with what they're going to see 450 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: with the Jets. Do I mean, Zach Wilson is not 451 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: throwing the ball all over the yard right now. When 452 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: they've been on this two game winning streak, it's been 453 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: for the most part, protecting it and being efficient and 454 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: letting Bryce Hall create um some incredible opportunities. A hundred 455 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: seventy nine total yards last week, seventy nine yard touchdown 456 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: catch you know, catching run well and and and good 457 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: luck figuring out who exactly the Jets are gonna throw 458 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: the ball to. They've got six guys, six different guys 459 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: with sixteen or more receptions through the first five games 460 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: of the season. They spread the ball over the place. 461 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: So I mean, like the challenges is still going to 462 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: be the challenge here. I just feel like something's gonna turn. 463 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: You needed to turn fast. But this Packers defense is 464 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: better than a unit that just has one pick. They're 465 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: they're they're better than the unit that showed on the 466 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: field on Sunday. Um, And I feel like, whether it's 467 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: Kenny Clark, whether it's Rashaun Gary, Um, you know, Jerry Alexander, 468 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: the amount of Pro Bowl and all pro talent that 469 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: they have littered throughout this defense that will still reveal itself. 470 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: I feel like it's just the fact that the the 471 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: unit that looked dominant and not just against the Packers 472 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: defense or Packers offense. They did this against the Saints, 473 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: they had stretches like this against Chicago Bears. The unit 474 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: that looks like they can get off the field every 475 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: single time they step foot on it, that unit needs 476 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: to kind of think it's some of its swagger back. Yeah, 477 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: I I think so too. Um. Before we go, just 478 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: want to lay out the picture of where things stand 479 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: in the NFC North, in particular that big game Minnesota 480 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: and Chicago. The Vikings blew a big lead but then 481 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: pulled it out at the end. So Minnesota is a 482 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: top the NFC North at four and one, Packers right 483 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: behind him at three, into Chicago now two and three, 484 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: and Detroit. Heading into the week, the Lions were the 485 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: number one scoring offense in the NFL, and they went 486 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: to New England and got blanked twenty nine to nothing 487 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: by the Patriots. So once again, I'm not just not 488 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: really sure what. I'm not really sure what to think 489 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: about the Lions. The Bears have to be frustrated coming 490 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: back the way they did. They got the lead in Minnesota, 491 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,959 Speaker 1: then they let it get away, and then they had 492 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: a turnover right at the end of the game when 493 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: they were when they were trying to rally again to 494 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: UH to tie that thing up late and UH and 495 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: the turnover bid them. So UM, a long way to 496 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: go here, obviously in the NFC North. But the Packers 497 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: a game behind the Vikings, and and obviously the difference 498 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: right now is is that Week one victory by Minnesota 499 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 1: at US Bank, for sure, and in the other hallmark 500 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: of them right now, you know, with Kevin o'cond I mean, 501 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: they're winning close games. They're winning games that you know, 502 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: teams they should beat now like the Bears. But even 503 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: if it doesn't go according to plan, they still have 504 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: showed the resolve and the ability to overcome adversity to 505 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: get to They're having the they're having the same discussions 506 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: that that Packers fans and and we've had with regard 507 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: to the Packers over the last couple of years, when 508 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: when you're winning games kind of ugly, right, I mean 509 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,479 Speaker 1: that that that Minnesota win they had over Detroit when 510 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: they were basically losing the whole game and then they 511 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: pulled it out at the end. Not a pretty victory, 512 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: but guess what a victory is a victory? And uh 513 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: and you can't take anything away from the Vikings being 514 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: four and one right now. And I love that you 515 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: said that because it leads me into my perfect transition 516 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: into the Detroit Lions. Because not only are the Lions 517 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: now one and four after you know, the Belichick, Tree 518 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: and Matt Patricia everyone, they just put on a masterclass 519 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: in coaching. They took away Amen ra st Brown. I 520 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: understand am Andra was injured a little bit coming out 521 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: of the last you know, missed a game, but they 522 00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 1: were physical with t J. Hockenson. They shut them. They 523 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: played the way you expect them to play defensively when 524 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: you have, you know, a rookie fourth round pick that's 525 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: having to step up as your quarterback. But then you 526 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: look at the Lions, they have to think about this 527 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: now for two weeks, and yeah, they'll probably give a 528 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: chance to get DeAndre Swift back and maybe get a 529 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: little healthier here, but they have to kind of stew 530 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: on it and they get out of the by here's 531 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: what they gotta face, Mike. You get Dallas, you get Miami, 532 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: you get the Green Bay Packers, you get the Bears 533 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: in Chicago, and then you got to go to New 534 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: York to face the Giants, who are suddenly a four 535 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: win team. It's a gauntlet, man, And again it goes 536 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: back to show you. And it's why I won't apologize 537 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 1: for the Packers being three and two. No, it has 538 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: been the first prettiest five games of the season for 539 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: Green Bay. But it's not easy to win in this league. 540 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: And there are teams every single year that play as 541 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: a unit like the Giants did on Sunday, are not 542 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 1: the most talented, but lean into their skill position players 543 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: and guys play complimentary football. That's how you win. Yeah. 544 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: Right now in the NFC, you've got the Philadelphia Eagles 545 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: at five and oh, Dallas and the Giants both four 546 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: and won the NFC. The NFC East is suddenly the um, 547 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 1: suddenly the division to beat, with with those top three 548 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 1: teams being a combined thirteen and two. I don't think 549 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: anybody would have predicted that after the first five weeks 550 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: of the season. But there's your five and oh to 551 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: four in ones, Minnesota four and one, and then you 552 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: have the Packers and others at at three and two. Um, 553 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 1: it's ah, there's there's a long way to go here. 554 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: And it's it's interesting because you you just rattle off 555 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: some things with regard to Detrade schedule. You look at it, 556 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: you look at every team schedule and and it's like where, 557 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: you know where where where can you look at where 558 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: can you look at things and go, oh, yeah, you 559 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: ought to be able to win, you know, three or 560 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: four in a row right there. Not in two thousand 561 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: and twenty two in the NFL. Man, that's just that's 562 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: just not how this goes. You've gotta you've gotta you've 563 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: gotta strap it on, buckle up every single week, and 564 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: then uh and and take your chances and and if 565 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 1: you don't play dynam night football for four quarters, then 566 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: make the plays in the fourth quarter and maybe you're 567 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: gonna come out with a win. That's what this season 568 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: has been so far. No doubt. And it's funny this 569 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: is the year that, of course the North ends up 570 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: rotating here against the NFC East. So it just shows 571 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: you you're never quite sure. Everyone at the beginning of 572 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: the year, those schedules come on, it's like, okay, well 573 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: they get Packers get you know, four wins there, you know, 574 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: five or six wins in the division? Hey there thirteen four. 575 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: You just you never can be too quite sure, unless, 576 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: of course, maybe you're facing Carolina. Yeah, looking for a 577 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: new head coach for But with that, we'll call it 578 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscript, and be 579 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: sure to follow all of our coverage of the team 580 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: all the time. We've got it all for you on 581 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: Packers dot com. For West, I'm Mike. Thank you for 582 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: tuning in everybody. We'll see you next time.