WEBVTT - Geoff Ogilvy - Hawaii Swing, New Rules, and How to Test Pros

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Frida Egg Podcast. I am excited

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<v Speaker 1>to announce a new podcast series for the Frida Egg

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<v Speaker 1>with former US Open champion Jeff Ogilvie. Really excited to

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<v Speaker 1>kick this thing off today here, and we'll be talking

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<v Speaker 1>on a regular basis. We haven't really figured out exactly

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<v Speaker 1>how often. We've got two parts to this podcast, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk a little bit of pro golf, we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of travel, a little bit of architecture,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of wherever the conversation goes. Jeff's obviously one of

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<v Speaker 1>the great minds in golf, and really thank him for

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<v Speaker 1>his time and wanting to do this. So we're looking

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<v Speaker 1>for a name for this series, so if you have

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<v Speaker 1>any ideas, feel free to shoot them off on Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>or shoot us an email contact at thefridagg dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>But hope you guys enjoy this series and really fun

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<v Speaker 1>always to talk with Jeff. He's a thoughtful guy. Here

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<v Speaker 1>here's episode one, I miss a green for example, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>already upset when I find my ball in the bunker,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I find my ball.

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<v Speaker 1>In a bright egg Frida Egg, the dreaded Frida Egg,

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<v Speaker 1>Frida egg egg egg Frid egg brid egg Lie.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm about ready to run off of the hump.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, what do you think about WILEI.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it, Wow, I love it. Grains. I think

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<v Speaker 2>grains are really good. It's an awful pace of land,

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<v Speaker 2>Like there's nothing to the land at all. You've been there, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't been there. It's dead. I mean it's dead

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<v Speaker 2>flat and you know that kind of lat lines of

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<v Speaker 2>arm trees. I mean that looks kind of awful. But

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<v Speaker 2>the greens are great, really great. I mean I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>seen the New seventeenth. I don't think they did a

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<v Speaker 2>very good job with that one. But it's too small

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<v Speaker 2>than a crap piece of land. But it's got good grains,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's kind of enjoyable. That's how I sum it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, this year was like I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 1>watched it. I really enjoyed watching it. It was firm

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<v Speaker 1>and fast and I felt like it. It kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like allowed everybody to play it.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely does. It's an angle. It's not that there's enough

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<v Speaker 2>with for angles, but it's a position course rather than

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<v Speaker 2>a flog it course. Definitely. I mean everybody can get

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<v Speaker 2>to the part five, so I mean the whole field

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<v Speaker 2>gets to like nine and eighteen, so it and eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>is a shithole, but it gives everyone a chance because

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<v Speaker 2>the longer you are you've got an advantage, but not

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily still have to hit a great shot, no't matter

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<v Speaker 2>how long you hit it because of the dog leg.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think it's everybody can play there. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>Zach can win there either of these, and Brooks can

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<v Speaker 2>win there. You know everyone and everyone has I mean

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<v Speaker 2>long hit is short hitters. Everyone's won there. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's not going in my top fifty or under it,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's a good course to play a tournament, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a good it's a nice place to play, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>say it.

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<v Speaker 1>How would What do you think about like tournament golf courses,

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<v Speaker 1>like what are good tournament courses that are bad or

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<v Speaker 1>average golf courses like Wiley.

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<v Speaker 2>Good tournament courses or venues, Because I think they're two

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<v Speaker 2>different questions.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm kind of curious about.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, I think there's great courses and there's great venues.

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<v Speaker 2>Riviera is a great course, and it's decent from a

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<v Speaker 2>playing perspective. It's great from a playing perspective, it's a venue.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty restricted, right, no parking in the middle of law.

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<v Speaker 2>How does anybody get there? More property, He doesn't handle

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<v Speaker 2>big crowds. But from a player, it's great, right, But

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<v Speaker 2>it's got a crappy range and you're going to walk

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<v Speaker 2>up and down that hill five times in a day,

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<v Speaker 2>and like there's some things about it that just slightly annoying. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's good, and that might be the highest ranked course

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<v Speaker 2>we play, that or Pebble, but doesn't necessarily make it's

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<v Speaker 2>the best tournament course for some of the tournament courses,

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<v Speaker 2>especially the tPCS. Not necessarily the tPCS, but some of

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<v Speaker 2>them are so logistically well organized that it's such an

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<v Speaker 2>easy week, yet architecturally or the course doesn't inspire you

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<v Speaker 2>very much. So I guess there's both ways. I love

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<v Speaker 2>Riven Pebble. I think of the two best courses we

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<v Speaker 2>play on a regular schedule, but they're not necessarily logistically.

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<v Speaker 2>Pebble's a nightmen have played to Dornamentite, right, because you

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<v Speaker 2>park at the polo fields and you get shuttles everywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>and the guy half the field's heading off ten and

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<v Speaker 2>ten at Pebble at seven o'clock in the morning. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not a level playing field with the guy who gets

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<v Speaker 2>the two off at twelve on the first, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>playing the different question they're getting asked for the day,

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<v Speaker 2>Like if you tear off at seven o'clock on the

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<v Speaker 2>tenth at Pebble Beach, you're going to be over par

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<v Speaker 2>after one hole. It's just the way it is, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>when he gets the guy tees for twelve off the first,

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<v Speaker 2>he gets to ten, he's all warmed up and he's

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<v Speaker 2>ready to play. So I think some situations are that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of mess tournaments up, if that makes sense. Yeah, huh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting overthinking it.

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<v Speaker 1>But what about what about the like so the three

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<v Speaker 1>three course weeks, like like the Desert and Pebble where

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<v Speaker 1>you got to play, Like, is it weird when when

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<v Speaker 1>you play like the hard course first and you're you

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<v Speaker 1>see even par and somebody shoots sixty two on one

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<v Speaker 1>of the other courses.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's weird that I always found that weird, Like

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<v Speaker 2>because your first when I first played, the start of

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<v Speaker 2>the tour was January, right, was the West Coast Swing,

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<v Speaker 2>and you would have people has three courses. Tori has

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<v Speaker 2>two courses, The Hope had four courses, at that point,

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<v Speaker 2>So you had three tournaments, you had eight courses or something,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was just nine courses. It was crazy. The

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<v Speaker 2>hope and the hope generally, the original hope was great

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<v Speaker 2>because all the courses were right next to each other,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Bermuda Dunes, Indian Wells, Lakinta, and you kind

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<v Speaker 2>of get the same weather in the desert. But there

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<v Speaker 2>was that one cup. There was a couple of years

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<v Speaker 2>they moved to the Classic Club. There was one course

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<v Speaker 2>out near the freeways and that was blowing thirty now

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<v Speaker 2>near all those windmills, and so that one was blowing

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<v Speaker 2>thirty miles an hour every day, and the other three

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<v Speaker 2>courses were dead still. So you'd have guys shooting even

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<v Speaker 2>par on that course and guy's shooting ten under and

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<v Speaker 2>all the other courses. That wasn't right. That was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of done, ah, because then the next day of the

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<v Speaker 2>Classic Club it is still it only blew every second

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<v Speaker 2>day out there. So if you kind of got unlucky

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<v Speaker 2>in your rotation, you were kind of taken out of

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<v Speaker 2>the tournament. But the above hope now is pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they're all at PGA West look into that's

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<v Speaker 2>around the corner I've always really enjoyed it. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>great early in the year tournament, be terrible in the summer,

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<v Speaker 2>I think when you were kind of in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the season, but it was a great early year.

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<v Speaker 2>Tory is tough because toy there was different. Now there

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<v Speaker 2>was always such a discrepancy between South and North that

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<v Speaker 2>if you could manage to everyone would have five or

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<v Speaker 2>six hounder on the north and two or three over

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<v Speaker 2>on the south. And now it's a bit more similar

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<v Speaker 2>because they've made the North so hard. So it's an

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<v Speaker 2>acquiet the multiple course tournament. But after you get used

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<v Speaker 2>to it, it's fun. But it takes a while to

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<v Speaker 2>get used to, especially when you're young, because you don't

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<v Speaker 2>know any of these courses and you're playing these guys

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<v Speaker 2>have been playing for ten years. And I eventually hardly

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<v Speaker 2>even played a practice around at Pebble the last few

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<v Speaker 2>years because I know the courses so well on the

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone wants to play pebble, the amateurs, and so

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<v Speaker 2>the practice around out there at six and a half

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<v Speaker 2>hours because they're all playing it, and that's fair enough.

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<v Speaker 2>So I might go play six hours at Spyglass or something,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's about it, and go up on the Tuesday

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<v Speaker 2>and just play quick because there's such a long week anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>but you've year, you've got to play three practice runs Monday, Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 2>Wednesday and rush them all around and say everything at

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<v Speaker 2>three outage books and like it's scrambling.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah crazy, Yeah, yeah, it's it would be. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's hard playing like you know usg event. It

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<v Speaker 1>was funny I played this U I played the mid

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<v Speaker 1>Am in Philly and you know, we played each course

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<v Speaker 1>once and like then you start to look through the

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<v Speaker 1>scores and also like almost every guy in the field

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<v Speaker 1>that was from Philly got through because he knew the courses.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, yeah, it's it's like that golfinent a little bit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's very I mean local knowledge is very underrated, all

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<v Speaker 2>very powerful.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you played Have you ever played like an Australia

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<v Speaker 1>Open at Victoria?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we played one in two thousand and two.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh is it hard to play at your home course?

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<v Speaker 2>I found it difficult. I mean i'd be kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like there was some state opens. The Victorian Open was

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<v Speaker 2>a state Open, which has turned into a pretty big

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<v Speaker 2>tournament now, but back then it was just a state open,

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<v Speaker 2>like a two hundred thousand dollars prize money or something

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<v Speaker 2>total purse. And I played it when I was younger,

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<v Speaker 2>and I kind of played really well, And it was

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<v Speaker 2>at Victoria two or three times, and I played quite well,

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<v Speaker 2>So I'd kind of laid tournaments at Victoria before by

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<v Speaker 2>the time the US at the Strain Open turned up

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<v Speaker 2>to it. But it's still weird. You've got all the

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<v Speaker 2>members saying, oh, you're going to win this week. You're

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<v Speaker 2>going to win this week. Why wouldn't you win this week?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I finished about ten or twelve or something,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, it was. It's tough. Yeah, it's just put

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<v Speaker 2>too much pressure on yourself. I mean the hardest part

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<v Speaker 2>about golf expectation and living up to your own expectations.

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<v Speaker 2>When you don't, you beat yourself up really fast. And

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<v Speaker 2>I found local golf hard. I always found anonymous too.

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<v Speaker 2>I find anonymous to a golf the easiest. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you turn up in China and nobody's watching you

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<v Speaker 2>play the or watching the local hero or something, and

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<v Speaker 2>you just get to do your own thing, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I find golf easiest that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you should go play, you know, the Dakotas Tours.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, there's some cool stuff you hear about around.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, local stuff is difficult. I've always liked

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<v Speaker 2>guys like Larry Miis winning the Masters from Augusta. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's an unbelievable effort. I can that must be something

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<v Speaker 2>he was feeling that week. Yeah. Can you imagine being

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<v Speaker 2>from Augusta and having all your school friends and that

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<v Speaker 2>knowing that you were doing that would be incredible. Charles

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<v Speaker 2>How's from Augusta too, You must feel it a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean Patrick Reid was wonder but his family

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<v Speaker 1>was at home, so that's crazy. That's great.

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<v Speaker 2>Just there's that element of but knowing the course. It's

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<v Speaker 2>funny when I first played Victoria and they're straight open

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<v Speaker 2>or in tournaments, I didn't know whether to carry Yardist

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<v Speaker 2>Book or not because I didn't use the Yardist Book

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<v Speaker 2>every day. I know I knew what it like from

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<v Speaker 2>from that bunk. From here, it's a seven isrom today,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a six on tomorrow. It's like, you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>all the clubs and the yadders book didn't match with

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<v Speaker 2>what I thought the club was. That's why I would

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<v Speaker 2>get to the fourth and the spot what I'd always

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<v Speaker 2>hit seven on and I'd get there and it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's actually measures this should be a six on, but

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<v Speaker 2>I've always hit seven from here, so you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>confused me a little bit. And there was one the

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<v Speaker 2>other way around, long and short. It was interesting. So

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<v Speaker 2>I got confused about whether actually to play at how

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<v Speaker 2>I would normally just on a Saturday camp, or to

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<v Speaker 2>play it how I would in the tournament, in a

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<v Speaker 2>normal tournament. It was interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's I played a couple events at courses like I played,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as a home course, and I struggled at

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<v Speaker 1>like two of them. But then like my childhood MUNI

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<v Speaker 1>would have like a State Am every year qualifier and

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<v Speaker 1>I'd go there and I'd always it's like you I

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<v Speaker 1>knew I could shoot a good score, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>the back of my hand there, but like at the

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<v Speaker 1>other courses, I don't know, for some reason, I struggled.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's weird. But like that childhood Muni, which I

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<v Speaker 1>would only play in the Steve Am qualifier once a year,

0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:05.800
<v Speaker 1>was like it was like a cake walk. But the

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<v Speaker 1>course that I play regularly, it would be a struggle.

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<v Speaker 1>It was. It's an interesting thing playing at home.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny too, like if we just talk about Hawaii,

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<v Speaker 2>Like when I first went to Capelloua, I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was an unplayable golf course. I just think that it was.

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<v Speaker 2>You couldn't play. It was ridiculous. It's like you're standing

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<v Speaker 2>on the side of a hill everywhere, and if half

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<v Speaker 2>the holes are five point fifty and they play three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and ten and the other holes of three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and ten and they play five fifty, the ones up

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<v Speaker 2>the hill into the wind, I just couldn't understand it.

0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:34.559
<v Speaker 2>And your puts break thirty feet. You're got to land

0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:36.600
<v Speaker 2>your wedges twenty yards short of some greens and have

0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:40.480
<v Speaker 2>them roll break a long way. But after two years

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<v Speaker 2>it became my favorite, the easiest cause on the tour

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<v Speaker 2>for me, Like my second or third year, all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, I'm like, how easy this is a joke?

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<v Speaker 2>How did I never understand this? And the Sony, which

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<v Speaker 2>at first seems so simple. I missed my first six

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<v Speaker 2>or seven cuts at the Sony. It just didn't even

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<v Speaker 2>though I quite enjoyed it and I thought it looked

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<v Speaker 2>quite easy. I just couldn't make the cup there, whereas

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<v Speaker 2>Capelleu or I hate it first and then after a

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<v Speaker 2>few years that was my favorite. So you never know

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<v Speaker 2>what you're going to where you're gonna play well, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you just have there's no rhyme or reason. Sometimes you

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<v Speaker 2>just play well at places. Sometimes you just can't play

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<v Speaker 2>out of the places.

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<v Speaker 1>The Wiley seems like a course where it could just

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<v Speaker 1>make you look stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you just feel it's tricky. It's like, just

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<v Speaker 2>got enough of that bermuda ruff that takes all the

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<v Speaker 2>control off your second shot, And it's narrow enough, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's cross winds everywhere because Hawaii's never still, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's that fifty sixties length course, right, so the dog

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<v Speaker 2>legs are all too early for modern golf. So you're

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<v Speaker 2>running it through all the time. You're kind of having

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<v Speaker 2>to cut the corners and running it through, and you've

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<v Speaker 2>got these shots from behind palm trees out of fly

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<v Speaker 2>a rough which and you can't bend the ball out

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<v Speaker 2>of and so it frustrates you because you can see

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<v Speaker 2>it like it seems so simple in front of you,

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<v Speaker 2>but it does. It's very tricky and very frustrating can be.

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<v Speaker 2>But then on the week when it doesn't blow too much,

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<v Speaker 2>those weeks where they just burdy every hole. Those guys

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<v Speaker 2>out there, that's kind of fun too, But it's a tricky.

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<v Speaker 1>Course with Capua. It's got uneven lies. Like I feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>there aren't a lot of courses with lies like that,

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<v Speaker 1>but Augusta is one of them, and I always have

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<v Speaker 1>I've always looked in the last couple of years when

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at Augusta, I kind of look at a Cappellua.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys that play well a Cappellua to play well Augusta

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<v Speaker 1>because of those uneven lies. Do you do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that is kind of true out there?

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<v Speaker 2>I do is an odd course. At first it seems

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<v Speaker 2>to suit long hitters, but I actually think it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>a wedge course Capellua. Certainly. The side hill lies are

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<v Speaker 2>very obvious when you first get there. They're crazy. The

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<v Speaker 2>first thing you notice about is like the ball is

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<v Speaker 2>never on the level of your feet. Are ah extra downslopes,

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<v Speaker 2>extreme up soaps, And that's what you find at the Masters.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you say, it's like and that's we don't get

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<v Speaker 2>that every day. We don't get that as much as

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<v Speaker 2>we used to, like or as maybe they did in

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<v Speaker 2>the old days. And sidehill lies a same sort of

0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.480
<v Speaker 2>golf would do well at both for sure, especially the imagination.

0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.520
<v Speaker 2>So Capellaua takes so much imagination. There are so many

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<v Speaker 2>shots there where you could be fifty yards from the

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<v Speaker 2>hole and you legitimately have to land the ball thirty

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<v Speaker 2>yards short and twenty yards left of the pin to

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<v Speaker 2>get it to go to the hole on like five,

0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:32.680
<v Speaker 2>that par five or six, the short one on the

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<v Speaker 2>front nine, eleven, Like there's a lot of holes eighteen.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you're hitting your shot fifty yards away from

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<v Speaker 2>where the pin is to get it to go to

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<v Speaker 2>the pin. That takes imagination. It takes a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>thought and imagination, and Augusta takes that all over the

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<v Speaker 2>place too, and some of those shots, you know, so

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<v Speaker 2>I think they are very similar. Yeah, sidehill lies and

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<v Speaker 2>imagination would do ball at both. That's actually a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>good form guy who plays well at capellau So just

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<v Speaker 2>put some money on Zander the Masters maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, it's that's I think like kind of what

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<v Speaker 1>I've started to think with the modern tour pro. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like sidehill lies and interesting greens are kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>recipe for testing today because it's really hard to hit

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<v Speaker 1>good wedges from awkward lives.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing is, we don't practice them anymore because

0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:34.360
<v Speaker 2>elite level golf has become a range thing, right. We

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<v Speaker 2>work on the range. We go the range to work

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<v Speaker 2>on our techniques and get our numbers on track man,

0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:45.040
<v Speaker 2>and ranges are flat, so we do a majority of

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<v Speaker 2>our swinging, and we work on our driver a lot,

0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:49.320
<v Speaker 2>and we never work on our driver of anything other

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<v Speaker 2>than a flat light, you know, so we I think

0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:56.720
<v Speaker 2>we're losing that ability to adapt a little bit from

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<v Speaker 2>how like the golfers who grew up just playing golf

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<v Speaker 2>every single day. Certainly uneven lies, but that's what I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Fairways need to be cut, maybe a little bit longer

0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:10.640
<v Speaker 2>and sometimes and the same with grains too. I think

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<v Speaker 2>if we could slow them down just a tiny bit,

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<v Speaker 2>where you would get balls holding on slopes, not a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>just a little bit, And it's always more interesting when

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<v Speaker 2>the ball's in a slope, right, And with putting just

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit. It's hard to hit puts when the

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<v Speaker 2>balls above your feet are below your feet without kind

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<v Speaker 2>of feeling weird about it, you know. And it only

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be half a percent.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot what hole was a kapaloo? I saw a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of guys missing and then like the center. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like architecture in the seventies, eighties, sixties became obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with the spines, the front tier, back tier, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think the better is the middle tier, the center spine

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<v Speaker 1>that goes left right.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's certainly interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you guys don't miss numbers as much as you

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<v Speaker 1>miss left right, mm hmm right.

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<v Speaker 2>From certain distances. Remember Pelts did that studies, Like there

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<v Speaker 2>was a from short range we get we hit it

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<v Speaker 2>straight but the wrong distance, and from long range but

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<v Speaker 2>at the right distance but not straight. There's like a

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<v Speaker 2>formula there, you know, like a three iye we miss

0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:25.399
<v Speaker 2>pinheivet wide and then wedge we miss straight deep or short,

0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.800
<v Speaker 2>but you're right. So like that, that kind of short

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<v Speaker 2>on the bottom tier, back tier, like that straight tier

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<v Speaker 2>across the green isn't as interesting as like angle right

0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:38.479
<v Speaker 2>or like yeah, left and right stuff like seven at

0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:40.879
<v Speaker 2>the Masters. You get high on the right and you

0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:42.240
<v Speaker 2>get low, then you get high in the middle of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like there's sideways targets like twelve AUGUSTA two. It's it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a it's a sideways target, right, rather than a

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<v Speaker 2>accuracy target. That makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's and then it amplifies the angle too, because

0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:59.720
<v Speaker 1>if you're hitting across, it makes the target so much smaller.

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<v Speaker 1>And then if you're on the right side, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>almost a backboard in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, A sixteen, the Masters too, five six. Yeah, a

0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:10.840
<v Speaker 2>lot of them are that way, right that if you

0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:14.359
<v Speaker 2>miss your line, it rolls off a lot lot further

0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:20.000
<v Speaker 2>that way, which is interesting definitely, Like if you miss

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<v Speaker 2>your line at Cappelora on though some of these shi

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<v Speaker 2>you can be one hundred feet really and you can

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<v Speaker 2>miss it by two feet, like that front right pin

0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:28.640
<v Speaker 2>on eighteen, which everyone who's there watched the ornament has seen.

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<v Speaker 2>If you get six inches past the hole or wherever

0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:36.280
<v Speaker 2>it's eighty feet, you don't have to miss it by march.

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<v Speaker 2>It's and the Masters does that to you as well. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>scares you, it is.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing is. That's what when you're when you're scared,

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<v Speaker 1>It was when your fear, when you're got, when you're

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<v Speaker 1>really thinking about stuff, is when the course is doing

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<v Speaker 1>a good job.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure, it seems that way. Yeah, like the ones

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<v Speaker 2>that make you nervous, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's I think that's like it's now the design

0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:06.879
<v Speaker 1>has to be. That's why I thought Shinnakock, you know, obviously,

0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:09.680
<v Speaker 1>and we could talk about that. You know, Mike Davis

0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:14.600
<v Speaker 1>is out the last Last Hurrah as uh, But Shinnikock,

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<v Speaker 1>it was fascinating to watch the best players in the

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<v Speaker 1>world just get absolutely ejected hitting wedges into these greens.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. But like that's a place where when you

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<v Speaker 1>play it, you're literally terrified to the hit a wedge.

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<v Speaker 2>You are. It's got that same Pinehurst Oakmont kind of thing.

0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:38.959
<v Speaker 2>It's just like, I know I'm going to miss this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know how I missed this and not

0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:43.680
<v Speaker 2>be dead. Like where do I hit this? I've got

0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:45.440
<v Speaker 2>like a tabletop to land this way, John, And if

0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:47.439
<v Speaker 2>I don't, where do? I kind of want to miss it?

0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Because I all seem like bad choices, right, But it

0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:55.359
<v Speaker 2>isn't as bad as it seems, you know, like these

0:20:57.280 --> 0:21:00.719
<v Speaker 2>places that make you nervous if you just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like a famous shot, we'll talk. Shinnakock is right, but

0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:06.360
<v Speaker 2>like a famous shoveryone knows, like fifteen of the Masters

0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:10.800
<v Speaker 2>is not really that hard a boor iron for us, really.

0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:13.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's difficult, but it's a relatively big target.

0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:15.960
<v Speaker 2>If it lands anywhere on the right and cethegreend and

0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:18.040
<v Speaker 2>it always stops right. We always see it stop, but

0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:20.200
<v Speaker 2>it looks like you're trying to hit a four on

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<v Speaker 2>under the top of a Volkswagen with the wind and

0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:24.200
<v Speaker 2>you don't know where it is where. If it's short,

0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:25.600
<v Speaker 2>it's in the water. Long it's in the water, and

0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:28.040
<v Speaker 2>anywhere else it's going to be in the water after that. Right,

0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:32.080
<v Speaker 2>it's a relatively easy shot if you're confident in the

0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:33.800
<v Speaker 2>practice ram. As soon as you get there in the tournament,

0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:36.639
<v Speaker 2>you're so nervous and you're so it's so hard to

0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:38.879
<v Speaker 2>put that solid swing on it, just because of all

0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:40.560
<v Speaker 2>the bad things that can happen, so you end up

0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:42.960
<v Speaker 2>putting a bad swing on it. That's the interesting way

0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:45.760
<v Speaker 2>to test us, not with obvious hazards, but with that

0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:50.680
<v Speaker 2>mental turmoil. That's my favorite, and it's the hardest to

0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:53.119
<v Speaker 2>play for sure. Is it drives your nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>What'd you I read your article about shinne Khak after

0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:06.280
<v Speaker 1>the US Open. I was it's interesting, Like I had

0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Roberto Castro on a couple like last week or two

0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:12.160
<v Speaker 1>weeks ago, and he said it, you know, the setup

0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:16.160
<v Speaker 1>was was great, The first two days and they kept

0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:19.800
<v Speaker 1>the greens were really slow in comparison to week to week.

0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:22.480
<v Speaker 1>But then obviously they got a little out of hand

0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:26.520
<v Speaker 1>and they got a couple of bad pins. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>do you do you think those are the types of greens?

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<v Speaker 1>And I think I actually think slower greens rewards better

0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:33.840
<v Speaker 1>putters more.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so too. I mean, people kind of disagree

0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:39.200
<v Speaker 2>with me. I don't think you will, because it sounds

0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:41.520
<v Speaker 2>like you know where you're on the same kind of

0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:43.520
<v Speaker 2>page as me. I kind of would like to see

0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:48.119
<v Speaker 2>firm and slightly slower greens than what you would product.

0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:50.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, not I'm much slow greens, but slower than

0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:55.040
<v Speaker 2>the US open I think again slow. I think firmness

0:22:55.080 --> 0:23:00.840
<v Speaker 2>is the real test of a ball striker speed, because

0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:03.280
<v Speaker 2>the firmness that when the ball lands, the angles matters,

0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:05.399
<v Speaker 2>and the heart that it's coming matters, and the spin matters,

0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:07.280
<v Speaker 2>and everything just matters so much more when the ball

0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:11.040
<v Speaker 2>bounces when it lands. But greens speed, when they're so

0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:15.639
<v Speaker 2>fast and so perfect, it's actually easier to part in

0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:18.000
<v Speaker 2>some ways if he talk to like someone like bransoneca

0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:19.920
<v Speaker 2>like the best part an two it probably especially the

0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:22.679
<v Speaker 2>best part on slower bad greens. He makes everything on

0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:27.760
<v Speaker 2>the West Coast whins Pebble holds everything at Tory. He

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<v Speaker 2>likes bad greens because he slower greens. He thinks he

0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:33.399
<v Speaker 2>has an advantage, a bigger advantage on slower greens than

0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:35.960
<v Speaker 2>everyone else. The best, one of the best, maybe the

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<v Speaker 2>best part on tour, or one of the best putters anyway, Sinoka,

0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:41.439
<v Speaker 2>he completely agrees with you. It says slower greens are

0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:43.080
<v Speaker 2>harder to part, so he likes them better.

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<v Speaker 1>You think about the tournaments that had greens like that,

0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:51.800
<v Speaker 1>like Pebble every year, and you look, Jason Day and

0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Speeth play well at Pebble seemingly every single year. They're

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<v Speaker 1>two of the best putters. H And then you think

0:23:58.400 --> 0:24:01.520
<v Speaker 1>about Chambers Bay, who was in the hunt there where

0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:05.480
<v Speaker 1>everybody was complaining about the greens, like DJ turned himself

0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:08.880
<v Speaker 1>into a good putter. And then you've got You've got

0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Speeth Jason Day on that leader board. Like those greens

0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:14.879
<v Speaker 1>were bumpy. They took like half the field out of

0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:17.800
<v Speaker 1>it before it even started because they convinced themselves they

0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:18.720
<v Speaker 1>couldn't put on them.

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<v Speaker 2>See I didn't mind. I mean, it's not what we

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<v Speaker 2>used to Chambers Bay having the I mean, it's just

0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:34.400
<v Speaker 2>absolutely abominable surfaces. Right, They weren't even remotely close to greens.

0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:39.520
<v Speaker 2>But instantly after on like Tuesday practice round. On Monday,

0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:42.240
<v Speaker 2>whenever I've made my first practice round, you could tell

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<v Speaker 2>straightaway that the best putters are going to do well

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<v Speaker 2>here and the best part of the world's going to

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<v Speaker 2>win this tournament. It was just obvious because you had

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<v Speaker 2>to have every aspect of your game and only people

0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:53.920
<v Speaker 2>who were really really playing well would have putted well

0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:55.760
<v Speaker 2>on those greens. You just had to be a good

0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:57.639
<v Speaker 2>putter and you had to have a good head. And

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<v Speaker 2>so it didn't surprise me, well when it didn't surprise

0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:01.760
<v Speaker 2>me that someon mister Shortbart for it to be weird

0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:04.600
<v Speaker 2>at the end, but two, because that was probably going

0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:07.239
<v Speaker 2>to happen on greens like that unfortunately. And you're right,

0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:11.320
<v Speaker 2>dozen's a great pattern now, But Jordan, good putters win

0:25:11.359 --> 0:25:17.359
<v Speaker 2>on bad greens, and so I don't necessarily think bad

0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:20.320
<v Speaker 2>greens ruined a tournament per se. It actually it actually

0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:22.280
<v Speaker 2>adds and it's not as fun to play. From a

0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:24.480
<v Speaker 2>players perspective, you've got to rather perfect green. But from

0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:26.879
<v Speaker 2>a from a result of the tournament and finding the

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:29.720
<v Speaker 2>best player. It's not the worst thing ever sometimes to

0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:34.399
<v Speaker 2>have some bumpy, dodgy greens because it finds the better putter.

0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:37.320
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's no idea, but it just shows you

0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:39.560
<v Speaker 2>there's more white. There's more than one more than It's

0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:42.160
<v Speaker 2>not only fifteen on the stimp meter that challenges people.

0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:44.560
<v Speaker 2>There's other ways to challenge great golfers.

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<v Speaker 1>It's way harder when you've got a four footer that

0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:51.520
<v Speaker 1>you have to aim outside the whole than one that's

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<v Speaker 1>really fast.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think slow definitely. Yeah, that's because you

0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:04.080
<v Speaker 2>can't put depends on slopes once it gets to certain speeds.

0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:07.120
<v Speaker 2>If you're getting your pins down on one and two

0:26:07.160 --> 0:26:09.000
<v Speaker 2>percent slopes, and the good old days were probably on

0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:11.160
<v Speaker 2>three or four and that balls is breaking a lot more.

0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:13.160
<v Speaker 2>And that's just a more challenging three foot than one

0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:15.800
<v Speaker 2>that's inside right than one that's outside right right, I

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<v Speaker 2>would think.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, way more. It's the I had. I've got in

0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:26.440
<v Speaker 1>a spreadsheet all the variance data, so like the scoring

0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:31.800
<v Speaker 1>variants of every tournament in the last like fifteen years,

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<v Speaker 1>and Chambers Bay was number two in scoring variants of

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<v Speaker 1>any tournament outside of scoring, so.

0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:45.520
<v Speaker 2>Low in the field to the high in the field.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so essentially how it's variant in You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>might be wrong, but I would look at variants saying

0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:57.200
<v Speaker 1>this is this is a statistic that shows how well

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<v Speaker 1>players separate from the field that are playing well.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:08.240
<v Speaker 1>So Chambers Bay and Shinnecock was number one from last year,

0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:12.119
<v Speaker 1>but then number two was Chambers Bay. And actually what

0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:15.680
<v Speaker 1>I was surprised by was Whistling Straights had really high

0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:22.520
<v Speaker 1>high variance data. Interesting and and then like you could

0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:27.160
<v Speaker 1>tell whenever something rained, like the lowest Augusta numbers were

0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:30.800
<v Speaker 1>the ones that were the wettest. So like firm conditions

0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:33.719
<v Speaker 1>because like I think about Chambers Bay that year, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll never forget the guys like bouncing balls on the

0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:39.960
<v Speaker 1>on the ground and that you know, you had to

0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:44.760
<v Speaker 1>hit great shots, and it's like that firm conditions seems

0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:48.960
<v Speaker 1>to be the key to really testing people.

0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:56.679
<v Speaker 2>I think certainly it makes it more interesting. It's a

0:27:56.840 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 2>it's a broader test, there's more nuances, there's more to

0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 2>the test. It's not as it's a little bit more

0:28:02.080 --> 0:28:04.800
<v Speaker 2>black and white when it's soft, because if it's soft,

0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:08.199
<v Speaker 2>the ball just lands and it stops where it lands,

0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:11.520
<v Speaker 2>so that the shape it was coming in on and

0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:14.240
<v Speaker 2>the spin that it had and the flight, the height

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:16.439
<v Speaker 2>that it was at. It doesn't matter really if it

0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:19.680
<v Speaker 2>just hits and stops, But if it hits and reacts

0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:22.680
<v Speaker 2>and bounces, it really matters. How the ball got to

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:25.919
<v Speaker 2>where it landed, like, really matters, And the firmer it is,

0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:28.720
<v Speaker 2>the more it matters. So and then you actually have

0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 2>to start planning out where that ball has to land

0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:32.439
<v Speaker 2>because it's not actually just going to stop there. So

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:34.480
<v Speaker 2>the one sixty five for the pin might turn into

0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:36.480
<v Speaker 2>one forty six, and it has to be slightly left

0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:37.840
<v Speaker 2>of the pin because there's a slope and it has

0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 2>to have a fade. So it doesn't mean there's just

0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:42.840
<v Speaker 2>so much more to it that every extra bit of

0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:44.640
<v Speaker 2>bounce on the course that you have, you're just going

0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 2>to challenge the player a little bit more, and probably

0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:51.640
<v Speaker 2>in a more interesting way than just pure length or

0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 2>pure speed of green or pure length of rough. For

0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:58.360
<v Speaker 2>it's a more nuanced test, I guess, so you get

0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:00.760
<v Speaker 2>more interesting golf to watch that way I would see

0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:01.160
<v Speaker 2>it anyway.

0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:04.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, And then and then your t shot becomes

0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:04.920
<v Speaker 1>more important.

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:11.880
<v Speaker 2>What's That's the thing about the everyone's been Everyone is

0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:14.640
<v Speaker 2>pointing fingers at why we're why the ball's going so

0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:18.440
<v Speaker 2>far and all that. But really, if we played firmer fairways,

0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 2>ironically firmer fairways where the ball would actually go further,

0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:24.360
<v Speaker 2>we would have chased length a little bit less, and

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:26.600
<v Speaker 2>we would have chased shape a little bit more. You know,

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:28.720
<v Speaker 2>the Bubba Watson style who it's a really long but

0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:31.000
<v Speaker 2>generally never tries to flog it as far as he can.

0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:33.520
<v Speaker 2>He tries to fit the ball on the course. More

0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:37.000
<v Speaker 2>players would play like that if the ball hit the

0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:40.400
<v Speaker 2>fairway and rolled, because a thirty yard wide fairway effectively

0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:42.480
<v Speaker 2>plays twenty yards wide when the ball hits and rolls

0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 2>a bit, you know, so or it plays narrower. Yeah,

0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:53.680
<v Speaker 2>But the trouble is, initially it plays shorter, right, So

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 2>we all kind of got reactive, everybody did by making

0:29:57.400 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 2>stuff longer and softer, so it seemed longer. So we

0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:02.400
<v Speaker 2>recreate the three irons and four irons that people had

0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:06.840
<v Speaker 2>into the greens in the old days. But yeah, it

0:30:06.840 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 2>plays soft, it plays wide, and when it plays wide,

0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:10.360
<v Speaker 2>you can hit it as hard as you want. When

0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:12.400
<v Speaker 2>you can hit us out as you want. The talented

0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:13.800
<v Speaker 2>people in the world are going to find a way

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 2>to hit it a long way because they're allowed to,

0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 2>because the game is actually encouraging us to do that.

0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:19.920
<v Speaker 2>It was a little bit firmer because I think length

0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:25.280
<v Speaker 2>is great, that the Brooks and Rory and they have

0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:27.400
<v Speaker 2>an advantage, and they should be able to show their advantage.

0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:30.320
<v Speaker 2>But it should be relative and it should be a

0:30:32.400 --> 0:30:34.680
<v Speaker 2>real skill to hit the ball three hundred and twenty

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:36.680
<v Speaker 2>up the fairway and actually hit the fairway, like that

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:39.360
<v Speaker 2>should be a real skill, and it is, but maybe

0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 2>it should be more of a skill, you know, I

0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:41.640
<v Speaker 2>don't know.

0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the It's amazing Bubba where where he's had

0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:51.280
<v Speaker 1>success in his career, Like he's won three or three

0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:55.479
<v Speaker 1>times now at RIV, two times at Augusta, and it's like,

0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 1>but he shapes it. He moves it more than everybody else,

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:01.000
<v Speaker 1>So it kind of makes sense that he would play

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:01.920
<v Speaker 1>best at RIV.

0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:05.520
<v Speaker 2>It does. It's a shaping course, especially off the tee.

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 2>But him back to kind of how we were talking

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:10.840
<v Speaker 2>about the like the range time and the unleveled lie thing.

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:13.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Bubba, he does not go to the range.

0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:17.200
<v Speaker 2>His perspective on the range it's the best answer ever.

0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Like it's it's so simple, it's almost annoying. It's like, Bubba,

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:24.280
<v Speaker 2>why don't you go hit balls? He goes, well, if

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm hitting it, well, why would I want to hit balls?

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:28.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't need to. And if I'm hitting it badly,

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 2>well I would I want to watch myself hit it badly.

0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:31.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree with that.

0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:33.880
<v Speaker 2>I can't argue with that. How do you argue with that?

0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:38.200
<v Speaker 2>It's like so simple, yet we don't want it to

0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:40.040
<v Speaker 2>be true because it's too simple. But it's right and

0:31:40.200 --> 0:31:43.000
<v Speaker 2>it so He's always just played golf. He'll play golf

0:31:43.000 --> 0:31:44.560
<v Speaker 2>in the morning on tour and you'll get teddy he's

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:46.440
<v Speaker 2>caddy and they'll go play a local course somewhere and

0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 2>play nine holes. That's his practice. He's playing golf holes.

0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:50.840
<v Speaker 2>And I think when you do that all the time,

0:31:51.800 --> 0:31:55.040
<v Speaker 2>you don't end up like Bubba completely, but you get

0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:57.680
<v Speaker 2>more that way, more of a golfer rather than a hitter.

0:31:57.800 --> 0:32:02.440
<v Speaker 2>Shape being and stuff like that. It's just it's vitt practice.

0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:02.840
<v Speaker 2>It is right.

0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:06.240
<v Speaker 1>David Duvall was that way too. I remember reading about that.

0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:10.240
<v Speaker 1>He like didn't didn't go to the range when he

0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:12.480
<v Speaker 1>was hitting it. Bad and didn't go when he was

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:14.080
<v Speaker 1>hitting it good because he didn't want to lose it.

0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:17.040
<v Speaker 2>That funny, and then when he actually started hitting a

0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:18.360
<v Speaker 2>lot of balls, he might have lost it a bit.

0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:23.120
<v Speaker 2>It's a funny game golf to chase it, but it

0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:24.360
<v Speaker 2>goes away. It's elusive.

0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:28.760
<v Speaker 1>But Bubba, my favorite thing was how he how everybody

0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:30.200
<v Speaker 1>was worried that he was going to play in that

0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 1>All Star Game, that Celebrity All Star Game last year.

0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:35.320
<v Speaker 1>It is like my favorite, one of my favorite golf

0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:36.320
<v Speaker 1>stories of all time.

0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Speaker 2>You know, what was the breakdown on the story he played?

0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:42.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, it was All Star weekend for the NBA

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:47.600
<v Speaker 1>last year and during RIV week and he and so

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:50.360
<v Speaker 1>he's in the lead and he played in the Celebrity

0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:55.560
<v Speaker 1>All Star Game the night of and and golf analysts

0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:57.800
<v Speaker 1>were like, well, he's gonna his legs are going to

0:32:57.840 --> 0:32:59.800
<v Speaker 1>be shot tomorrow. He's not gonna be able to play.

0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:06.720
<v Speaker 1>Like it's just funny. It's hey, do you what do

0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:11.480
<v Speaker 1>you think about the new rules?

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Look, I think a lot of them. I don't completely

0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:16.640
<v Speaker 2>have my head around them yet because I haven't played

0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:18.960
<v Speaker 2>a tournament yet and had any rulings and experienced it.

0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:23.200
<v Speaker 2>I think I never read the rule book growing up.

0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:25.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't think anybody ever did. You just learned the

0:33:25.560 --> 0:33:28.920
<v Speaker 2>rules along the way. Right, every time you hit it

0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:31.080
<v Speaker 2>next to a hazard, and you take that drop enough times,

0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:32.640
<v Speaker 2>it just becomes this is what you do when you

0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:34.040
<v Speaker 2>hit it in a red or a yellow hazard or

0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:37.160
<v Speaker 2>a plug lie or anything. But what I've seen that

0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:39.760
<v Speaker 2>drop thing that was going on with Drys in a capaluris.

0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:43.360
<v Speaker 2>I never understood the drop. What was wrong with dropping

0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:45.120
<v Speaker 2>it from the shoulder. I thought that was there's nothing

0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 2>wrong with that, right. I get that they don't want

0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:51.520
<v Speaker 2>the balls to like the situations for proceed there's two

0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:54.400
<v Speaker 2>so there's two things for me. There's there's golf and

0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:56.920
<v Speaker 2>then there's tournament golf, and they're completely different. And there's

0:33:56.920 --> 0:33:59.080
<v Speaker 2>two different There should be too sets of rules and

0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:02.320
<v Speaker 2>the rules for gold the ninety nine point nine percent

0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 2>golfers should basically we can go back to the ten

0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 2>original rules at Sandia is basically, you know, play the balls,

0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 2>it lies too up behind the markers, you know, like

0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:15.799
<v Speaker 2>just basic simple stuff. Yeah, tournament golf is different, like

0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 2>we're dropping from temporary stuff all the time, and there's

0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:23.360
<v Speaker 2>there's all sorts of craziness, and there's there's an absolute

0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 2>necessity to create a level playing field, right really, where

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:29.160
<v Speaker 2>there's too much at stake for too many people and

0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:32.040
<v Speaker 2>too many entities for it to not be like completely level.

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:33.440
<v Speaker 2>But the average guys just want to go out and

0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:35.360
<v Speaker 2>play golf. I mean, how many of your friends actually

0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:38.000
<v Speaker 2>played by the rules anyway? Two balls off the two

0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:40.360
<v Speaker 2>balls off the first and we're rolling it in the

0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:42.480
<v Speaker 2>like we're rolling it in the fairway today and all

0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 2>that sort of stuff. And as long as everyone in

0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:48.320
<v Speaker 2>that group is playing by the same rules, it's fine, right. Yeah.

0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:51.920
<v Speaker 2>I think the spirit of it should be goes play whatever,

0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:54.160
<v Speaker 2>whatever golf you want to play, and then in tournaments

0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:57.239
<v Speaker 2>we do this. But anyway, that's that's me. But the

0:34:57.320 --> 0:35:00.719
<v Speaker 2>drop thing, I think is completely bizarre. It's like, I

0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:02.279
<v Speaker 2>see that you should be allowed to drop it from

0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:04.440
<v Speaker 2>your knees, that's fine, But why can't you drop it

0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 2>from higher than that?

0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:07.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Why can't you drop it from your waist?

0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:09.840
<v Speaker 2>You drop it from from above your head? What's the

0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 2>difference like that? One? I think is strange. I just

0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 2>think there's it's smacks of overthinking. It's like the the

0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:24.400
<v Speaker 2>groove thing with the wedges the part of thing, and

0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:27.239
<v Speaker 2>then these ones. It just it's smacks of committees sitting

0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:31.200
<v Speaker 2>around tables and just overthinking simple stuff, just finding more

0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:34.440
<v Speaker 2>complicated and like the intention was simplicity with these rules,

0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:38.640
<v Speaker 2>and they generally are simpler with an overview, so they

0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:42.160
<v Speaker 2>kind of succeeded there, I think, But some of the

0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 2>things inside the smack of like, seriously, how did we

0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:46.359
<v Speaker 2>end up there. It's like the cut rule on too,

0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:51.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, the Saturday cut the NBA that was overthought. Yeah,

0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:53.160
<v Speaker 2>I was on the pack when we came up with that,

0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:55.320
<v Speaker 2>and it was just we just ended up talking ourselves

0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:57.440
<v Speaker 2>in circles and ending up coming out with really kind

0:35:57.480 --> 0:36:00.239
<v Speaker 2>of an awkward situation because we overthought it too much.

0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:04.080
<v Speaker 2>We tried to make it too fair, you know. And

0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:05.880
<v Speaker 2>the rules are a bit like that. I think they'll evolve.

0:36:05.920 --> 0:36:07.359
<v Speaker 2>I think we'll work it out. We can't have one

0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:10.799
<v Speaker 2>of The Bryson situation was so bizarre that.

0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:14.359
<v Speaker 1>What about the pin in putting with it.

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:18.480
<v Speaker 2>In look the spirit of that. I love to see

0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:22.479
<v Speaker 2>the especially for the average guy. And again, by the rules,

0:36:22.520 --> 0:36:24.319
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of average guys have just like

0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:26.319
<v Speaker 2>when their buddy's off raking the bunker and their other

0:36:26.360 --> 0:36:28.279
<v Speaker 2>friends like getting the sandwich out of their bag and

0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:29.920
<v Speaker 2>you've got a sixty foot you just hit the part right.

0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:31.400
<v Speaker 2>You shouldn't have to walk up and grab the pin

0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 2>or wait for someone. It makes complete sense in that situation,

0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:39.360
<v Speaker 2>don't you think like this the completely Like if no

0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:41.719
<v Speaker 2>one can grab a pin, let me just put yeah.

0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:43.520
<v Speaker 1>And like if I'm playing by myself, I'm putting with

0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:45.680
<v Speaker 1>the pin in all the time anyways. Like it's like, yeah,

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:49.680
<v Speaker 1>myself exactly. So it's like that makes the last sense

0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:53.719
<v Speaker 1>for it is everything what you said about the rule

0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:58.760
<v Speaker 1>for everyday play rules for tournament play makes complete sense.

0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 2>I think if we're struggling to like, I don't think

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:04.960
<v Speaker 2>we're struggling in golf as much as some of the

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:07.719
<v Speaker 2>media wants to say. I know, participation numbers aren't high,

0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:09.399
<v Speaker 2>but I think across the board a lot of things

0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:12.640
<v Speaker 2>that's probably true, you know, because from what I see,

0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:14.399
<v Speaker 2>people are looking at screens a lot more than they're

0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:16.680
<v Speaker 2>doing anything else. You know, participation on screen time, it's

0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:21.359
<v Speaker 2>probably going up. But outside of that, with golf, we

0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:23.360
<v Speaker 2>just want people to play. It doesn't have to be

0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:28.440
<v Speaker 2>eighteen holes of stroke play under the thirty nine rules

0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:30.120
<v Speaker 2>of golf, whatever there is. Every time you play golf,

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:33.200
<v Speaker 2>you can go play six holes like with any rules

0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:35.040
<v Speaker 2>you want. I don't care, just go play golf. Like

0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:38.120
<v Speaker 2>that should be the encouragement. You can play whatever rules

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:39.719
<v Speaker 2>you want. Just go play. We just want you to play.

0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:41.200
<v Speaker 2>If you want to play tournaments, yeah, this is how

0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:43.160
<v Speaker 2>we do it. You know. But if you go for

0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:45.279
<v Speaker 2>a pickup game of basketball with your friends, you don't

0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:49.480
<v Speaker 2>feel like you have to play like full rules. You know,

0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:51.239
<v Speaker 2>you travel a little bit and like you're allowed to

0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:53.239
<v Speaker 2>charge your friend a little bit. Like that's just kind

0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:55.160
<v Speaker 2>of because that's how you like to play. Like golf,

0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:57.160
<v Speaker 2>it should be encouraged that people can play whatever game

0:37:57.200 --> 0:37:59.160
<v Speaker 2>you want. If you want to get into big tournament stuff,

0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:01.399
<v Speaker 2>then if you do that, then this is the way

0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:01.920
<v Speaker 2>we're going to go.

0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:06.080
<v Speaker 1>I think it's so I've been deep in the weeds

0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:11.360
<v Speaker 1>this whole year on this architects Langford Moreau, right, and

0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:15.160
<v Speaker 1>they built a ton of courses in the rural in

0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:18.760
<v Speaker 1>rural towns in the Midwest, like small town Indiana, small

0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:23.360
<v Speaker 1>town Illinois, Wisconsin. And like what I started to realize was,

0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:26.440
<v Speaker 1>like there are all these places with nine holes of

0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Langford Moreau and it makes sense, like these guys only

0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:32.480
<v Speaker 1>built nine holes for this small town. They shouldn't have

0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:36.600
<v Speaker 1>eighteen holes, they should just have nine goodes.

0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Great, nine holl is great. I mean, who says like

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:44.160
<v Speaker 2>I think golf has been just it's just caught itself

0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:45.680
<v Speaker 2>up a little bit in this like it has to

0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:48.600
<v Speaker 2>be golf is only golf if it's eighteen holes and

0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:51.200
<v Speaker 2>it's seven thousand yards and there's like all that that

0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:54.000
<v Speaker 2>comes with it. But that's not true. Mate. My favorite

0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:57.400
<v Speaker 2>three or four golfing experiences in my life one the

0:38:57.400 --> 0:38:59.800
<v Speaker 2>beach at s and Andrews with a wedge and two balls,

0:38:59.880 --> 0:39:01.560
<v Speaker 2>just playing in and out of the tide pools up

0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:03.839
<v Speaker 2>and down the night of the Cherios, the fire beach

0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Like that to me is golf? Does that make sense? Yeah?

0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:09.319
<v Speaker 2>Like I used to play at this part at this

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:11.799
<v Speaker 2>park where I grew up. It's kind of right next

0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:14.160
<v Speaker 2>to Royal Melbourne. It's actually a high school. It's a

0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:15.839
<v Speaker 2>public high school. And when I was growing up, there's

0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:18.680
<v Speaker 2>two big ovals like Australian rules football ovals, so they're

0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:22.480
<v Speaker 2>massive joined with trees and three balls and a nine

0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:24.799
<v Speaker 2>nine that was me for years from probably twelve to

0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:27.799
<v Speaker 2>sixteen or seventeen. Every night after school, if I didn't

0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:29.879
<v Speaker 2>get to the golf course, I was hitting balls around there.

0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:32.040
<v Speaker 2>That was and I would make little holes around the

0:39:32.080 --> 0:39:34.919
<v Speaker 2>trees and there was the rubbish bin across the other side,

0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:36.480
<v Speaker 2>or take three shops with a nine nine to get

0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:38.239
<v Speaker 2>there around these trees. To me, that was as much

0:39:38.239 --> 0:39:40.400
<v Speaker 2>golf as anything else, as adding holes at s Andrews.

0:39:40.600 --> 0:39:44.279
<v Speaker 2>That it really is. I think that's the message that

0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:45.320
<v Speaker 2>needs to get across.

0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:48.200
<v Speaker 1>I think kid I grew up one of my best

0:39:48.200 --> 0:39:51.080
<v Speaker 1>friends growing up, he ended up being All state golfer,

0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:54.920
<v Speaker 1>great golfer, you know, And we grew up playing wiffleball

0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:58.280
<v Speaker 1>golf all through the front yards of our neighbors, hitting

0:39:58.560 --> 0:40:03.120
<v Speaker 1>wiffleballs to trees and that was golf. If you hit

0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:04.840
<v Speaker 1>it under the road, it was a water hazard.

0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:08.080
<v Speaker 2>So good. How much fun is that too? Right?

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:09.319
<v Speaker 1>Unbelievable fun.

0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:13.680
<v Speaker 2>And we're golf tragics, right, so that's our thing. But

0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:16.680
<v Speaker 2>and not everybody is going to do that. But I

0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:20.799
<v Speaker 2>just think this, I would love to If you want

0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:22.120
<v Speaker 2>to play golf and you only want to play for

0:40:22.120 --> 0:40:23.919
<v Speaker 2>an hour every day, then three holes and you're allowed

0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:25.680
<v Speaker 2>to do that. You know, if you want to just

0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:27.760
<v Speaker 2>go to the drum range and just hit seven Fuji

0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:31.760
<v Speaker 2>buckets of driver, that's golf for you. That's fine, that's golf,

0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:34.680
<v Speaker 2>right Like I don't. You're still a golfer if you

0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:38.719
<v Speaker 2>ask me. I think the rule I think the opportunity

0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:41.120
<v Speaker 2>with the rules changed was the idea to put that

0:40:41.200 --> 0:40:43.720
<v Speaker 2>idea out there. You know. I think the rules changes

0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:45.359
<v Speaker 2>are kind of fine, and they simplify it, and there's

0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:46.920
<v Speaker 2>a couple of weird ones in there, but they'll all

0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:50.680
<v Speaker 2>shape out. It'll work out in the wash, you know. Yeah,

0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:54.080
<v Speaker 2>that's spirit of you know what, guys, No one plays

0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:55.640
<v Speaker 2>by the rules anyway. As long as you don't trash

0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:58.480
<v Speaker 2>the course and you use the etiquettes of golf, you

0:40:58.520 --> 0:40:59.560
<v Speaker 2>find any game you want.

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:03.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, I think, all right, so let's uh, let's

0:41:03.600 --> 0:41:07.319
<v Speaker 1>wrap this up. We've got stuff to do. So, uh,

0:41:07.640 --> 0:41:08.920
<v Speaker 1>we're going to do this more often?

0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:11.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, sure, I like this.

0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah maybe maybe monthly, maybe once every couple months, maybe more.

0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:22.400
<v Speaker 1>Maybe we'll see. But uh, you're not social media. Nobody

0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:24.480
<v Speaker 1>can get a hold of you.

0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:26.839
<v Speaker 2>You know what I was, I was a Twitter fend

0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:30.399
<v Speaker 2>there for a little bit. And then I think Twitter

0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:33.040
<v Speaker 2>is a beautiful, a great news feed to get information,

0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:36.080
<v Speaker 2>but I think it's dangerous toe to put your ocean

0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:38.480
<v Speaker 2>in when you're the ocean, to put your toe in

0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:42.040
<v Speaker 2>when you're a public figure A little bit. Ah, it's tough,

0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:46.000
<v Speaker 2>and I got a frustrated. I got really frustrated with

0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:51.319
<v Speaker 2>the negativity of your followers. You're a nice part on

0:41:51.360 --> 0:41:52.880
<v Speaker 2>fifteen Today Jeff and all that, and I know it

0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:54.680
<v Speaker 2>doesn't really mean anything that you should really listen to it,

0:41:54.680 --> 0:41:56.080
<v Speaker 2>but it's just like I don't need that in my life.

0:41:56.120 --> 0:41:58.799
<v Speaker 2>So I just just did. I kind of got off Twitter.

0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:00.120
<v Speaker 2>I was an early I was early on Twitter. Then

0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:02.320
<v Speaker 2>I go off. But I look at Instagram, but I

0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 2>don't really I should probably get a little bit more active,

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:08.400
<v Speaker 2>but they have it. I'm at school.

0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:10.839
<v Speaker 1>Take some pictures of Royal Melbourne. I'm sure that people

0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:12.399
<v Speaker 1>would like that, you know, you.

0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:15.080
<v Speaker 2>Know what, I think that really I should do that

0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:17.080
<v Speaker 2>because it's out of the back fence now and it

0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:18.719
<v Speaker 2>looks pretty good at sunset. I'll tell you that.

0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:21.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you got you got. You could take pictures

0:42:21.120 --> 0:42:24.920
<v Speaker 1>of coffee. You got your back to uh where coffee

0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:27.360
<v Speaker 1>is like a cherished pastime.

0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:30.680
<v Speaker 2>They take coffee very seriously here in Melbourne. It's a

0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:35.279
<v Speaker 2>coffee very good here. Yeah, six scups to day is

0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:36.759
<v Speaker 2>probably too many, but it is very good.

0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:41.319
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, we'll talk soon and uh look forward

0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:42.000
<v Speaker 1>to doing more.

0:42:41.840 --> 0:43:02.720
<v Speaker 2>Of these good stuff. That was fun. I enjoy it.