WEBVTT - Selects: Cake: So Great. So, So Great

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody, do you want to learn about cake?

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<v Speaker 2>It's called cake So Great, so so great.

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<v Speaker 1>That had to be a Josh title Cake colon So

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<v Speaker 1>Great period, so comma so great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's Josh.

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<v Speaker 1>This is from November thirtieth, twenty seventeen. This is supersize

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<v Speaker 1>because somehow we did seventy three minutes on cake, probably

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<v Speaker 1>because we talked about cake a lot beyond just the

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<v Speaker 1>facts and figures. I know, our personal opinions came around

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode. So I hope you enjoyed as much

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<v Speaker 1>as you enjoyed pie. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know,

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<v Speaker 1>a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and

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<v Speaker 3>there's Charles W Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry. Three of us

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<v Speaker 3>are together, which means it's time. There's stuff you should know.

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<v Speaker 1>About cake, cake, cake, cake, cake, cake, cake, cake, cake.

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<v Speaker 3>Cakeke cake, cake cake cake.

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<v Speaker 2>Cake. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>This made me just frankly want to put my face

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<v Speaker 1>in a cake.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, sheet caking.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, Yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a discussion about cake or pie quite a

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<v Speaker 1>while ago, and I don't remember exactly where you landed

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<v Speaker 1>on that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm surprised you can only think of one.

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<v Speaker 2>You one time, we've done that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, cake or pie? Both?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Same here?

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<v Speaker 3>Why choose between two wonderful things that you don't have

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<v Speaker 3>to choose between?

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<v Speaker 2>Agreed?

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<v Speaker 3>As a matter of fact, every once in a while

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<v Speaker 3>you'll hit like the birthday party jackpot where they'll have

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<v Speaker 3>like cake and pie and you're like, looks like I'm

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<v Speaker 3>in heaven. But today, today, Chuck, we're not talking about

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<v Speaker 3>pie now. Although we can't talk about one pie in

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<v Speaker 3>particular because we're talking about cake. It turns out I

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<v Speaker 3>saw this somewhere that Boston cream Pie is actually a cake.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh really, Yeah, surprise, Boston, Sorry to ruin your day.

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<v Speaker 1>They're probably the ones that are like that are saying that,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, probably maybe I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Know it's a cake. Huh. The article on it was

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<v Speaker 3>written in a thick Boston accent. Yeah, yeah, it is

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<v Speaker 3>a cake. I'm not sure why, but I just know

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<v Speaker 3>it's a cake now. And I want to give a

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<v Speaker 3>hat tip here. I mean, we both worked off of

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<v Speaker 3>the house Stuff Works article, but I also found a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of good stuff on a site called What's Cooking America.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you run across them?

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<v Speaker 2>I did?

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<v Speaker 3>They are good man. They have. You know, clearly their

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<v Speaker 3>niches cooking, baking, all things like culinary. But they've got

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<v Speaker 3>some really well researched articles on their site about like

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<v Speaker 3>the history of cakes and things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's good stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Kudos to you. You remember kudos the granola bar. Those

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<v Speaker 3>are great.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, are those not around anymore?

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<v Speaker 3>No? No, no, those are gone. And then rip also

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<v Speaker 3>bonkers candy, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Kudo went the way of the Dodo. I never heard

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<v Speaker 2>of bonkers.

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<v Speaker 3>They were like a fruit chew, but like really had

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<v Speaker 3>some chew to it, not like starburst, you know, just

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<v Speaker 3>to cintegrate. So these were like they were chewy. They

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<v Speaker 3>were good. They're about as good as it gets really

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<v Speaker 3>candy wise.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they need I know, you've noticed they need to

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<v Speaker 1>chill out here with the sweets at work. Oh dude,

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<v Speaker 1>Like they have little Debbie Star crunches and Swiss cake

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<v Speaker 1>rolls and.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff all over the place. I know, I don't need

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<v Speaker 2>that in here.

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<v Speaker 3>There's like three or four people who are like walking

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<v Speaker 3>around toothless. Now, well I'm just rotten right out of

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<v Speaker 3>their heads.

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<v Speaker 2>Well and also not you. My toothlessness is for different reasons.

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<v Speaker 3>Yours is from a Christine.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've also noticed, though, there's this weird mix in

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<v Speaker 1>our office now because they try to.

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<v Speaker 2>Get super healthy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so there will be like Swiss cake rolls next

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<v Speaker 1>to a bag of like clam chips or something, what chips?

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<v Speaker 3>To know, I have chips sound kind of good?

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<v Speaker 2>Seaweed seaweed strips?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, no, I know what you mean. Or

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<v Speaker 3>like just figs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, it's like a fig Newton without the

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<v Speaker 2>good tasting part.

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<v Speaker 3>We take figs and we mash them up, then we

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<v Speaker 3>wrap them in cell a phane and you eat them

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<v Speaker 3>for five dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Apiece, and your child spits them out because they know better.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, no today, Yes, I'm with you. I do think

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<v Speaker 3>it's gotten a little out of hand, Like it's basically

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<v Speaker 3>just a huge test of willpower at the office, like

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<v Speaker 3>every moment.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Yeah, I don't, I don't indulge. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>getting into those Swiss cake rolls. But it is tough

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<v Speaker 1>to walk by the miniature candy bar section, right and

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<v Speaker 1>not be like, well just one of those little guys,

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<v Speaker 1>Look how tiny it is?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? And then the next thing, you know, you get

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<v Speaker 3>like ten rappers laying around your desk thinking like what

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<v Speaker 3>have I done.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's post Halloween stuff too, so maybe it'll

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<v Speaker 2>die down.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't. I don't think that's gonna happen. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but again though, today, I guess if if you replaced

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<v Speaker 3>all of those candies bars with cakes that were just

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<v Speaker 3>sitting around, you get zero complaints.

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<v Speaker 2>For me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and at my house at Halloween, we gave away

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<v Speaker 1>two things. We gave away whole slices of pound cake

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<v Speaker 1>and just pigs.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the worst house in the block.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you you a pound cake fan?

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<v Speaker 2>Not?

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<v Speaker 1>Typically, like I would never order a pound cake or

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<v Speaker 1>say hey, can someone bake me one for my birthday?

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<v Speaker 3>You wouldn't say, like, clark me a pound cake?

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<v Speaker 1>No, And I would never ask someone to clark me

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<v Speaker 1>a pound cake. But occasionally, like in my life, someone

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<v Speaker 1>has had pound cake and said, would you like some

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<v Speaker 1>pound cake?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's you know, it's good. It's good, sugary and

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<v Speaker 2>dense stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I like it because you can just eat it

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<v Speaker 3>with your hand.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, just pick it up and eat it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like cake on the go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I am not a fan of lemon cakes. Oh really,

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<v Speaker 1>so like a lemon pound cake I'm not into Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's just get it out there. What's your favorite

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<v Speaker 3>cake of all time?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh geez, I'm gonna toss it up between a carrot

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<v Speaker 1>cake with cream cheese frosting.

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<v Speaker 3>That's Bill Clinton's favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, as Bill goes so ghost chuck, which

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<v Speaker 1>is not true, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Carrot cake with cream cheese frosting, or I like a

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<v Speaker 2>red velvet cake.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well that's the or cream cheese frosting either way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Emily's favorite of all time, hands down is the Waldorf

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<v Speaker 1>Astoria Red velvet Cake, which is red velvet cake with

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<v Speaker 1>a frosting that is basically only like shortening, vanilla and sugar.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a cream cheese things.

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<v Speaker 3>What's your favorite favorite of all time? Well, everybody knows

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<v Speaker 3>that cake perfection was achieved sometime in the twentieth century

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<v Speaker 3>when Public's grocery stores started selling their yellow cake with

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<v Speaker 3>buttercream frosting. Oh yeah, there's no better cake on the plane.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a yellow sheet cake.

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<v Speaker 3>It's simple, but it's tasty. It doesn't need any dressing up.

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<v Speaker 3>But if it does, we'll just put like some add

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<v Speaker 3>some more frosting in the shape of balloons on top.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just it's just perfection. It's a perfect cake. I

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<v Speaker 3>love it. I can eat it morning, noon and night.

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<v Speaker 3>I can eat stale stuff I found in the dumpster

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<v Speaker 3>behind Publics. I can eat the fresh stuff right out

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<v Speaker 3>of the oven, so hot that it burns my mouth.

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<v Speaker 3>I would eat it anyway that it was given to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a big frosting and icing guy too, so a

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<v Speaker 1>corner piece of sheet cake is pretty much heaven.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that is the tops.

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<v Speaker 2>What is Yumi's favorite cake?

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<v Speaker 3>Yuma's is actually the same as mine. We both are

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<v Speaker 3>junkie for Public's cake, to tell you the truth, Although

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<v Speaker 3>I have to say she is introduced me to the

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<v Speaker 3>wonder of Japanese cakes. And there's this little known fact

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<v Speaker 3>about Japan. It loves to take I shouldn't say it's

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<v Speaker 3>a little known. Probably a lot of people know this,

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<v Speaker 3>but it loves to take things that other cultures came

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<v Speaker 3>up with and then improve them ten thousand percent. And

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<v Speaker 3>one of the things that they've done that with is

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<v Speaker 3>the French bakery. So if you go to Japan, you'll

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<v Speaker 3>see all these cute, little kind of Provence style French

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<v Speaker 3>bakeries everywhere. That's still the best bake good you've ever

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<v Speaker 3>had in your life, right, and Chris, yes, oh, by far,

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<v Speaker 3>by far. That's very controversial, it is, But I'm telling

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<v Speaker 3>you you would just be like, Josh's right.

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<v Speaker 2>This is better.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not kidding. They've improved on it, and they're all

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<v Speaker 3>they're very deferential still, they're like, oh, well, this is

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<v Speaker 3>crap compared to what the French are making. However, you

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<v Speaker 3>would say that in Japanese. But they're actually wrong. It

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<v Speaker 3>actually is better. But one of the things that they

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<v Speaker 3>make that's just top notch is this what they call cheesecake.

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<v Speaker 3>It is not what you or I will call cheesecake

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<v Speaker 3>at all. It's more like a yellow spongy cake. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know where the cheese thing comes in. Maybe there's

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<v Speaker 3>a little cream cheese in there. I'm not quite sure,

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<v Speaker 3>but you and I would call it like kind of

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<v Speaker 3>a dense yellow sponge cake. But it is very, very tasty.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's a kind of a Japanese tradition that I

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<v Speaker 3>would guess Umi would say is one of her favorites. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>and just a little shout out, there's a place in Toronto.

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<v Speaker 3>Next time we're there, I'm gonna take you there, all right.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually that's not true. I brought you a cake from there,

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<v Speaker 3>from Uncle Tetsu's Oh Cheesecake Bakery. Yeah, that's a Japanese cheesecake.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that was good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're the bomb.

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<v Speaker 1>All I know is, get out of my face with

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<v Speaker 1>any coconut or any pineapple.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll take that you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just slide that over to your desk.

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<v Speaker 3>Then, yes, not into them coming.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even like German chocolate cake. Really, I love.

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<v Speaker 3>German chocolate all right. Well, have you ever heard the

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<v Speaker 3>German chocolate cake and red velvet cake are the same.

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<v Speaker 3>It's actually not true.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't heard that.

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<v Speaker 3>I had heard that many times. It's not true. But

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<v Speaker 3>that German chocolate frosting is like, Man, that's good.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not into that. See, I think that's what it does.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what it is that I don't like. I like

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a tradish butter creamy or just good old

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<v Speaker 1>fashioned birthday cake icing type thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, pie mean yeah, and surely you agree. Publics is

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<v Speaker 3>the pinnacle of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I've ever had a public's cake. Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>I go to publics three times a week, so next

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<v Speaker 2>time I'm just gonna.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, now that you say that, it might be best

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<v Speaker 3>that you stay away, well, because you're gonna start adding.

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<v Speaker 3>Is they sell it by the slice, which is dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, they do, because that's the only way I would want.

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<v Speaker 2>To do it.

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<v Speaker 3>They sell it by the slice, chuck, like I.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't bring a whole cake in my house.

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<v Speaker 3>Fun be sure you look closely, because they have Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it would be. They sell also the same kind with

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<v Speaker 3>like a cream cheese frosting. You want yellow cake with

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<v Speaker 3>butter cream frosting. Okay, just give it a shot and

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<v Speaker 3>let me know what you think.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. The funny thing is we really haven't even

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<v Speaker 2>started yet though.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you want to take a break?

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<v Speaker 2>No, Let's at least give out like three facts first.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, well, I think we just gave a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of facts about what the greatest cakes in the world are.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, how about this?

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<v Speaker 1>Then I'll start you out with the word cake apparently

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<v Speaker 1>is an old Norse word kaka, which is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>funny because here I don't know where it came from,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're in America.

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<v Speaker 2>Coca can mean do doo.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but kaka is where the original word supposedly came from.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, And a lot of English words have like Germanic

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<v Speaker 3>or Norse origins. Did you do you know that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>So cake, the word cake is of English origins. So

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<v Speaker 3>there's bread and apparently the bread and the cakes from

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<v Speaker 3>back in the day, say during the medieval era, they

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<v Speaker 3>were very, very similar. Probably the only difference was the

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<v Speaker 3>cake might be slightly smaller, Yeah, and it was definitely sweeter.

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<v Speaker 3>So cake was like a sweeter version of bread back then.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they'd had a little to it, but it's not

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<v Speaker 2>like what we think of as cake today.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's not where the first cakes originate. They actually

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<v Speaker 3>go way, way, way further back than that, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that true?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's true. Toktok uh. That may be a little

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<v Speaker 3>too far back, Yeah, I think so so. But basically

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<v Speaker 3>around the time I believe Egypt, the Puronic Egypt, they

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<v Speaker 3>were making cakes using hot stones and honey and some

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<v Speaker 3>sort of grain mashed up.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, it seems like I bet the Chinese were doing

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<v Speaker 2>it too.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't say in here, right, but it seems like anytime

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about who did stuff first, it's like Egyptians, Chinese, Greeks,

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<v Speaker 1>and Romans pretty much.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, ancient civilization.

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<v Speaker 1>But maybe not China because it doesn't seem like a

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<v Speaker 1>very cakey culture.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm not sure about Chinese cakes. I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>I've ever had one.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet you if someone knows, though, and I bet

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<v Speaker 1>you there's like one of the best things.

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<v Speaker 2>In the world. It is probably a Chinese cake, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the other things too. That I didn't realize

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<v Speaker 3>that I learned from this article, Chuck, was that a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of the cakes you see around the world that

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<v Speaker 3>you would mistake for, you know, customary or traditional cakes

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<v Speaker 3>for that culture, they're actually relatively new.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, the cake that we.

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<v Speaker 3>Know and love and understand is very much a nineteenth

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<v Speaker 3>century American invention that came out of the Industrial Revolution.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean clearly, like in Germany, like you talked about,

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<v Speaker 1>in the fifteenth century, they were making cakes. They were

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<v Speaker 1>actually even serving cakes at birthdays, and by all accounts,

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<v Speaker 1>that's probably the first people to start the birthday cake Tradish.

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<v Speaker 1>But and I think they even put candles on top. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>none of the Greeks put candles on top. But it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't like a happy birthday cake. No, it was more like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this cake is round like the moon, and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to put candles on it. To make them glow, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're probably huge candles now that think about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the Greeks gave us the round cake and putting

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<v Speaker 3>candles on the cake to honor Artemis, to make the

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<v Speaker 3>cake look like the moon, and Artemis was the goddess

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<v Speaker 3>of the moon. Right, so they were like, look, Artemis,

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<v Speaker 3>what do you think of this cake? She'd be like,

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<v Speaker 3>it needs some frosting, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the Germans and the fourteen hundred started doing

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<v Speaker 1>birthday cakes, and then the seventeen hundreds were full on,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's a kid's birthday party, it's got candles, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a cake, and we'll sing some depressing German song.

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<v Speaker 3>Right that makes you reflect on your own existence, that's right,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's eventual. But so by the time the people

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<v Speaker 3>were making birthday cakes in Germany, there was a long, long,

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<v Speaker 3>long tradition of cakes already, and the word cake had

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<v Speaker 3>started to originate in medieval Britain. But there was such

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<v Speaker 3>a thing as a cheesecake already. The Romans created that

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<v Speaker 3>and called it placenta. Seriously, really, yeah, the Greeks had

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<v Speaker 3>created something that was basically a prototype of the fruitcake plocouse.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe yeah, they called it feces.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So there were all these kind of cakes and

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<v Speaker 3>breads and things that were starting to be developed. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think even that pound cake that you're not so

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<v Speaker 3>hip on came before the Industrial Revolution too.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so there's stuff that you.

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<v Speaker 3>Would kind of recognize as cakes, but the idea of

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<v Speaker 3>a cake, what Americans call it cake and no one

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<v Speaker 3>love is a cake that came out of the Industrial Revolution.

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<v Speaker 2>The show sponsored by Cake Cake Eat Some today.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so let's take a break. We definitely gave

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<v Speaker 1>way more than three facts. Yeah, we have earned our keep,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're going to come back and talk about a

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<v Speaker 1>little chemistry right after this. All right, So we're back,

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<v Speaker 1>and we promised talk of chemistry, and I think we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this briefly on one show. I have tried

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<v Speaker 1>to bake. I did a birthday cake for Emily a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago, Red Velvet Waldorf Story of.

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<v Speaker 2>Cake, and it was okay.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't pretty, though, what do you mean, like it

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<v Speaker 3>like it was lopsided or there's a horn growing out

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<v Speaker 3>of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It just you know, it didn't look like a cake

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<v Speaker 1>you would buy in a store, but it tasted really good.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll bet it was made with a lot of love too.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh of course.

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<v Speaker 1>But my deal is is I'm not a great baker

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<v Speaker 1>because baking requires you to be very precise with your ingredients,

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<v Speaker 1>because it is chemistry. I'm a much better cook because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a fly by the seat of my pants and

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<v Speaker 1>throw a little of this in there, and throw a

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<v Speaker 1>little of that in there.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a much you can't do that with.

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<v Speaker 1>No, there's much more forgiveness in general cooking than baking.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, cooking's in art. Baking is a science for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's what they say, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Well that's what I say too.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't make that up, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I did. Okay, So with a with a cake, right,

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<v Speaker 3>what you're doing is producing a chemical reaction, and I

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<v Speaker 3>knew that, yeah, but I had no idea on this

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<v Speaker 3>granular level that this article gets into just how much

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<v Speaker 3>of a chemical reaction baking a cake is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. This hes pretty neat the understanding of it too

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<v Speaker 2>to me.

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<v Speaker 3>So you want to start with a leavening agent, right,

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<v Speaker 3>That's how you get from batter which is kind of

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<v Speaker 3>flat and soupy and wet, to a nice tall cake.

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<v Speaker 3>The reason it rises is because of a leavening agent.

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<v Speaker 3>And way way way back in the day, they used

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<v Speaker 3>to use yeast. They use yeast for everything. They would

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<v Speaker 3>make some beer, they would make a cake, they'd make

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<v Speaker 3>some bread.

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<v Speaker 2>They would throw it into the eyes of their enemy.

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<v Speaker 3>They would in a fight, the dirty fight. And then

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<v Speaker 3>eventually yeast kind of fell to the wayside a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Is they realized that there's other ways to you make

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<v Speaker 3>cake rise. One of the big ways is to actually

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<v Speaker 3>introduce air into it. And if you say, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>beat some eggs, what you're doing you're not just breaking

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<v Speaker 3>the eggs down into their kind of components or like

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<v Speaker 3>a mishmash of all of their components. You're also introducing

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<v Speaker 3>air into that mix, which will eventually, as we'll see,

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<v Speaker 3>transfers into the cake to make it rise.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And like when you're following a recipe, if you've never

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<v Speaker 1>baked a cake before and it says cream the butter

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<v Speaker 1>and sugar or sift the flour, you can't just say, eh, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a sifter, so I'll just throw the

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<v Speaker 1>flour in here, Like your cake is screwed.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Because it's not just like, oh, that makes a

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<v Speaker 3>flour pretty yeah, the sifting flour introduces air into the

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<v Speaker 3>whole mix too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is all very important stuff. So you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't cheat any of these steps.

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<v Speaker 3>No, you can't. You really need to follow a cake

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<v Speaker 3>recipe pretty closely.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess if you're a master baker and

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<v Speaker 1>you know what you're doing, you can do something in

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<v Speaker 1>lieu something else. Sure, But if you're just an ordinary

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<v Speaker 1>non professional baker at home.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, just follow the recipe and do what they say.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because you couldn't say, well, I'm going to substitute

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<v Speaker 3>this flour for a bunch of salt, like, not only

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<v Speaker 3>would it taste radically different, like you're affecting the chemical

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<v Speaker 3>composition of the mixture.

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<v Speaker 2>True, unless you're making a traditional South Georgia salt.

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<v Speaker 3>Cake, right, which you can also use on those snowy

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<v Speaker 3>days to clear the road too.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>So you've got yeast as a leavening agent, you've got

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<v Speaker 3>introducing air through like whipping something. And I found this

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<v Speaker 3>mention of a recipe that called for four eggs to

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<v Speaker 3>be beaten for two hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy cow.

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<v Speaker 3>So you can imagine that everybody was pretty psyched when

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<v Speaker 3>chemical leavening agents were introduced in the mid nineteenth century.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so that was an old recipe, yes, yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>so in other words, you couldn't just put the mixer

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<v Speaker 1>on with your eggs and.

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<v Speaker 2>Leave, no and go get on ti.

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<v Speaker 3>No, this was with your arm. Yeah, and yeah it

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<v Speaker 3>was not. I mean, I imagine if the person you

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<v Speaker 3>were working for asked for a cake, You're just like,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a bad day. This is gonna be a

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<v Speaker 3>bad day.

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<v Speaker 2>You beat for three hours, right.

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<v Speaker 3>And the whole reason again you're doing this is to

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<v Speaker 3>introduce some air.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you could use something else, say like sodium

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<v Speaker 3>bicarbonate also known as baking soda, and you mixed it

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<v Speaker 3>which is a base, and you added another ingredient in there,

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<v Speaker 3>which is like an acid, say like buttermilk or yogurt

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<v Speaker 3>or vinegar, right, yeah, like in a vinegar cake, that

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<v Speaker 3>sodium bicarbonate, that base and the acid are going to

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<v Speaker 3>mix together and form a chemical reaction and release CO two. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>And this is how modern cakes rise. CO two is

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<v Speaker 3>released through this chemical reaction and it goes and bubbles

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<v Speaker 3>up through the cake and makes the cake rise with it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what leavening agents do, is they take air and

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<v Speaker 3>they expand it and make it the cake.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like when you slice a piece of cake, not

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<v Speaker 1>not so much pound cake because it's way more dense

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<v Speaker 1>or other non flowered cakes, but your standard birthday cake.

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<v Speaker 1>You slice it up and you see those it's you

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<v Speaker 1>know those pockets, those holes that you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are air holes. Those were where the bubbles were.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll get to that a little more, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>that's very important stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a that's a famous chef's apron, baker's apron. Ask

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<v Speaker 3>me about my air holes.

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<v Speaker 2>Fat source very important.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, Fats improve the texture of a cake, allow it

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<v Speaker 1>to be moist, flavorful, because we all know fat tastes great.

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<v Speaker 2>And butter.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, people can use shortening, which is good, Margarine

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<v Speaker 1>is good, cooking oil, this can all be used. But

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<v Speaker 1>for me, just get some real butter. And and I

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<v Speaker 1>say that for all foods. I went on a butter

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<v Speaker 1>not a kick, No, no, no, I am on a

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<v Speaker 1>butter kick. I went on a butter a boycott of

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<v Speaker 1>sorts for a while, like real butter.

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<v Speaker 2>But now I'm back on butter.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, I know what you mean. I tend

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<v Speaker 3>to think butter is healthier of all of them too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>although olive oil has a beat, it's just such a

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<v Speaker 3>radically different taste, ye, especially when you're baking with it.

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<v Speaker 3>Although have you ever had an olive oil cake?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember where I had it. But man, they

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<v Speaker 3>are good, really, yes, they're surprisingly good. But it is

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<v Speaker 3>definitely it's own distinct thing, you know what I'm saying. Like,

0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:39.399
<v Speaker 3>subbing olive oil out for butters can give you a

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<v Speaker 3>weird oh recipe that no one's going to like. But

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<v Speaker 3>they might pretend they do if they like you, Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>but they don't really like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And all these fat sources they can be used

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes together or swapped out for butter.

0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:56.000
<v Speaker 2>But again, you gotta know what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't just say, well, I'm not gonna use butter,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna just use the same amount of cooking oil

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<v Speaker 1>as melted butter.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. And one of the reasons why he's swapping something

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<v Speaker 3>out for butter in particular too, I mean, butter gives

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<v Speaker 3>it its richness, it helps improve its moistness and texture. Right,

0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:16.160
<v Speaker 3>Butter's great, but butter also has a tendency to incorporate

0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:18.960
<v Speaker 3>air when you cream butter. When you start to mash

0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:21.520
<v Speaker 3>it around. That's the whole reason. Like, they're not telling

0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:23.480
<v Speaker 3>you to cream the butter just to make it look

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<v Speaker 3>good before you add it to the batter. You're actually

0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:29.120
<v Speaker 3>incorporating air there, so that butter is serving both as

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<v Speaker 3>a fat and as a leavening agent in that recipe. Correct,

0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:35.800
<v Speaker 3>if you come across the recipe that calls for butter

0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:38.679
<v Speaker 3>that it must be creamed, there's something else going on

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<v Speaker 3>besides just getting a buttery taste out of your cake.

0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:46.199
<v Speaker 2>That's right. Sweetener. I was about to say sugar instead

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<v Speaker 2>of sweetener.

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<v Speaker 3>Might as well, though, but let's be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>You can use honey and stuff, you can use a

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<v Speaker 1>gave artificial sweetener, but sugar is the best thing to use.

0:23:57.359 --> 0:24:01.000
<v Speaker 1>In my opinion. It bonds best to water molocles. It's

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<v Speaker 1>really gonna help. That'll help everything be nice and moist

0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:06.640
<v Speaker 1>and soft. And you don't want to overdo it though.

0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:09.439
<v Speaker 1>You want to use again, the right amount of sugar,

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<v Speaker 1>because not only could it affect the taste, but it

0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:15.320
<v Speaker 1>could make the texture it could be too tough.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and sugar is another one too, where if you

0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:19.640
<v Speaker 3>see sugar and you sell it out for something else,

0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:22.560
<v Speaker 3>it can have an impact on that chemical reaction for sure,

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<v Speaker 3>because it does all those things you're talking about. Like

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<v Speaker 3>one of the things it does is the crystalline structure

0:24:27.280 --> 0:24:31.679
<v Speaker 3>of sugar actually cuts through the batter to help release

0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:35.560
<v Speaker 3>CO two more easily. And like you said, it binds

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<v Speaker 3>to water, which means it does two things. That locks

0:24:38.720 --> 0:24:41.679
<v Speaker 3>it in so that it keeps moisture in, but it

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<v Speaker 3>also sugar also robs that water from some of the

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<v Speaker 3>proteins and the starches that give the cake its structure,

0:24:49.600 --> 0:24:52.520
<v Speaker 3>which means that they're not going to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>become tough and dense like you were saying, because sugar's

0:24:55.560 --> 0:24:59.400
<v Speaker 3>already grabbed onto that water molecule, right, and sugar in particularly,

0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:01.560
<v Speaker 3>you're not going to get same thing with like stevia

0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:04.879
<v Speaker 3>or honey, Like it's not gonna have the same effect.

0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:07.639
<v Speaker 3>It's it's crystalline sugar, and it doesn't have to be

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<v Speaker 3>white refined sugar. You have the same effect I think

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<v Speaker 3>with like turbinato cane sugar too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you can, I mean, if you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to use sugar and you want to use honey, look

0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:20.719
<v Speaker 1>up a recipe that is specific to honey, and they

0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:23.960
<v Speaker 1>will help account for that in certain ways, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>still to me. You know, white sugar do it right.

0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:31.000
<v Speaker 3>And then they sugar also gives it that nice golden

0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:33.920
<v Speaker 3>brown color through the Mayerd reaction.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that in the eggs for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well we're at eggs, sugar and eggs.

0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:44.879
<v Speaker 2>Eggs are big, yeah, especially if they're ostrich eggs.

0:25:45.080 --> 0:25:49.679
<v Speaker 3>Eggs. I know, eggs have proteins in them, right, and

0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:53.760
<v Speaker 3>there's a couple of things in there. Those proteins help

0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:57.480
<v Speaker 3>give structure to the cake, I believe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely, the almost fires in the yolk. They help.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also kind of serves as a binding agent. There

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of things, including flour that help bind

0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:09.520
<v Speaker 1>things together, but those eggs and those yolks very much

0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:12.280
<v Speaker 1>do because there's certain things in cake sometimes that.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't want to mix.

0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:14.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the water.

0:26:14.720 --> 0:26:16.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the egg comes together and says, what you know,

0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:18.800
<v Speaker 1>can we all just kind of stick together here?

0:26:19.720 --> 0:26:20.160
<v Speaker 2>Literally?

0:26:20.440 --> 0:26:20.760
<v Speaker 3>Nice?

0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:22.919
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that wasn't meant to be a pun. I meant that.

0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:26.440
<v Speaker 3>And I think the two big emulsifiers are actually in

0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:31.040
<v Speaker 3>the egg yolk. Cholesterol and less than are found in

0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:34.320
<v Speaker 3>egg yolk. And they're like, hey, everybody, come on, let's

0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:34.920
<v Speaker 3>hang out.

0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:37.480
<v Speaker 1>That's right, And there's also fats an egg, and we

0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:41.760
<v Speaker 1>also we already mentioned that fats are awesome and taste delicious.

0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:44.480
<v Speaker 3>Plus also, if you're using whole eggs, most of the

0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:48.119
<v Speaker 3>egg white is water. The vast majority is water. And

0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:50.520
<v Speaker 3>as we'll see, water and liquids play a big role

0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:53.480
<v Speaker 3>in the cake too. So it's all like the idea

0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:59.200
<v Speaker 3>of people figuring all this out through millennia of little

0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:03.400
<v Speaker 3>contributions here or there. It's just it's just a blessing

0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:04.840
<v Speaker 3>on humanity ca cakes.

0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:05.840
<v Speaker 2>It is.

0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:09.280
<v Speaker 3>It's a really neat accomplishment that everyone had came together

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:12.240
<v Speaker 3>to figure this out over the span of time and

0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:15.879
<v Speaker 3>wonderful kitchens on cold winter days where that were like,

0:27:16.000 --> 0:27:18.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, you've got like a nice cake baking in

0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:22.160
<v Speaker 3>the oven. You're contributing to humanity's knowledge of being great.

0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a lot of bad the carcasses of a lot

0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:27.359
<v Speaker 1>of bad cakes have been left in its wake, sure

0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:28.840
<v Speaker 1>to get where we are today.

0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:31.040
<v Speaker 3>A lot of unhappy families and a lot of unpleasant

0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:32.600
<v Speaker 3>conversations about those cakes.

0:27:32.600 --> 0:27:34.520
<v Speaker 1>But still in a bet in the olden days, when

0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:36.600
<v Speaker 1>times are a little tougher, they probably still.

0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:39.040
<v Speaker 3>Late those cakes oh yeah, I would guess.

0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:40.600
<v Speaker 2>So you know you probablydn't just toss it out to

0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:41.119
<v Speaker 2>the mules.

0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:44.520
<v Speaker 3>No, you gave them to sailors who were glad to

0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:45.720
<v Speaker 3>have them.

0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:46.399
<v Speaker 2>All right.

0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:51.160
<v Speaker 1>That brings us to flour, very very important ingredient in

0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:55.000
<v Speaker 1>most baked goods, and flour is what is going to

0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 1>really be the binding agent. It's really good, going to

0:27:57.640 --> 0:27:58.880
<v Speaker 1>hold everything together.

0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:00.520
<v Speaker 2>Give it its structure, Yeah, a lot.

0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Of structure and strength. And this is when when you

0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:07.120
<v Speaker 1>mix these proteins with water, it's going to form gluten

0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:10.120
<v Speaker 1>and gluten. I know a lot of people hate gluten,

0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:12.960
<v Speaker 1>my wife being one of them, but gluten is a

0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:15.800
<v Speaker 1>pretty key ingredient here. Although I will say they've come

0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:19.240
<v Speaker 1>a long way now with gluten free cakes they have.

0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:21.880
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't make you quite as sad to eat one.

0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:24.320
<v Speaker 2>An they're pretty good now. If you get a good

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:25.320
<v Speaker 2>gluten free cake.

0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:28.399
<v Speaker 3>It's well, the cheesecake is gluten free, so that's okay

0:28:28.440 --> 0:28:28.679
<v Speaker 3>with me.

0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:34.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, your standard substitute flour, they've just

0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:35.040
<v Speaker 1>gotten a lot better.

0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:35.160
<v Speaker 2>I think.

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:41.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So in a standard glutenous cake, that gluten from

0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:44.560
<v Speaker 3>the from the flour mixing with the water forms of

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 3>gel and it gives it that structure, it gives it

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:53.720
<v Speaker 3>that consistency, the texture that you're looking for. But again,

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:59.880
<v Speaker 3>the sugar's robbing the proteins and the starches from getting

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 3>too much water, because the more water it gets, the

0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 3>more the tougher the cake is going to be, the

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 3>more gluten. So you actually want to make sure that

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:11.560
<v Speaker 3>your sugar's taking away some of the liquids. But also

0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:15.520
<v Speaker 3>the type of flour you use has a lot to

0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:18.960
<v Speaker 3>do with how tough your cake's going to turn out. So, like,

0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:21.320
<v Speaker 3>there is such a thing as cake flour. Yes, that's

0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 3>something like seven percent seven and a half percent protein,

0:29:24.600 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 3>which is going to translate into less gluten when you

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:29.480
<v Speaker 3>mix it with water, right, Yeah, so it's gonna be

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 3>a lighter, fluffier cake. And then there's all purpose flours

0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:37.360
<v Speaker 3>ten and a half percent, bread flours twelve percent, And

0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:39.840
<v Speaker 3>depending on what kind of consistency you want in your cake,

0:29:39.880 --> 0:29:42.920
<v Speaker 3>you would use these different kinds of flour, and all

0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:46.320
<v Speaker 3>of it comes down to the amount of gluten that's

0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:49.240
<v Speaker 3>going to be produced when it interacts with the liquids.

0:29:49.200 --> 0:29:49.680
<v Speaker 2>That's right.

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:53.800
<v Speaker 1>And finally that brings us to the liquids. The liquids

0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:56.600
<v Speaker 1>are obviously going to help keep things moist. They hydrate

0:29:56.640 --> 0:30:00.880
<v Speaker 1>those proteins, they allow all those chemical changes to take place.

0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:03.440
<v Speaker 2>But that liquid does when.

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:05.200
<v Speaker 1>You actually bake the cake, when it comes time to

0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:06.440
<v Speaker 1>put it in the oven, which we're gonna get to

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:09.480
<v Speaker 1>here in a sec that creates a steam. Like that

0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:13.560
<v Speaker 1>liquid cooks out and vaporizes, so that steam expands the

0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:18.680
<v Speaker 1>air cells and that volume, and it really lends itself

0:30:18.720 --> 0:30:22.760
<v Speaker 1>to the light, airy structure and texture that you're gonna get.

0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:25.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it blows up the CO two bubbles in it

0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:28.960
<v Speaker 3>even further, which helps make the cake rise. Plus it

0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:33.440
<v Speaker 3>also chuck fosters that chemical reaction between the acids and

0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:36.240
<v Speaker 3>the bases that act as leavening agents that release CO

0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:38.960
<v Speaker 3>two in the first place. The presence of liquids in

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:42.880
<v Speaker 3>the presence or water specifically, I think in heat, really

0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:44.560
<v Speaker 3>make that CO two go berserk.

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:48.840
<v Speaker 2>All right, Well we should talk about ovens.

0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:51.680
<v Speaker 1>I was about to say you can't bake a cake

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:53.120
<v Speaker 1>without an oven, but apparently you can.

0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:56.479
<v Speaker 2>You can in Egypt, Yeah, ancient Egypt.

0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:58.680
<v Speaker 1>All right, So let's say we're not an ancient Egypt.

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Let's say we're in regular North America and Europe. In

0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:09.880
<v Speaker 1>the eighteenth century is basically when the semi closed oven

0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:12.800
<v Speaker 1>came around. And before this, if you were baking cakes,

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:17.400
<v Speaker 1>well you were probably a professional baker, because these ovens

0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:19.239
<v Speaker 1>weren't in every household.

0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 3>Right, and even in the eighteenth century they weren't in

0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:25.680
<v Speaker 3>every household either, but they tried to become a lot

0:31:25.800 --> 0:31:30.120
<v Speaker 3>more prevalent around that time. That was a big first

0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:35.560
<v Speaker 3>step toward people baking at home, not just cakes but anything.

0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:38.880
<v Speaker 3>You know. Yeah, in cake history, that was a huge

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:43.200
<v Speaker 3>monumental moment when the enclosed oven became kind of ubiquitous

0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:44.800
<v Speaker 3>among households.

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 1>For sure, because what you get there is consistency. You

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:50.760
<v Speaker 1>get a consistent even temperature, and of course that just

0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 1>got better and better over the years with advances oven technology,

0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:58.960
<v Speaker 1>and more than anything, you get a reliable temperature ideally, right.

0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:00.960
<v Speaker 3>And if you have those things, you can make a

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:03.560
<v Speaker 3>cake after cake after cake that your family won't be

0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:07.120
<v Speaker 3>mad about. The sailors will stop coming by and being like,

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:12.760
<v Speaker 3>you got any more of them terrible cakes you made, sailors, Yeah,

0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 3>that's who you give the terrible cakes too. Sure, all right,

0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:21.719
<v Speaker 3>So with the oven in particular, I didn't realize this,

0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:24.719
<v Speaker 3>but you know how the liquid and the heat and

0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:28.360
<v Speaker 3>the sodium bicarbonate and the acids are mixing together to

0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:32.840
<v Speaker 3>make the cake rise. That is actually a really fragile

0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:36.120
<v Speaker 3>state of affairs. While the cake is baking and the structure,

0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:39.080
<v Speaker 3>the proteins and the starches and the gluten are actually

0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:45.040
<v Speaker 3>solidifying and making this cake. And if you mess with

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:48.120
<v Speaker 3>the oven, meaning like you open and close the door

0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:51.720
<v Speaker 3>too often, or you slam it shut too hard, you're

0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:55.280
<v Speaker 3>gonna The change in temperature, on the one hand, can

0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:58.040
<v Speaker 3>cool those gases and make your cake fall, and it

0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 3>makes a sound as it does, as everyone knows. And

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:05.959
<v Speaker 3>then the air pressure from slamming the door can burst

0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 3>those co two bubbles, and again you're the proteins haven't

0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:12.600
<v Speaker 3>had a chance to solidify and make the cake structure,

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:14.880
<v Speaker 3>so the cake can fall from that as well. And

0:33:14.920 --> 0:33:17.320
<v Speaker 3>if you'll notice, once a cake gets to a certain point,

0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:20.040
<v Speaker 3>if it falls, it falls in the middle. The outside

0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:23.480
<v Speaker 3>usually stays up because that part has solidified already. The

0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:25.840
<v Speaker 3>stuff in the middle hasn't quite cooked through, so that

0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 3>would be the part that falls, and that also proves

0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:29.400
<v Speaker 3>my point.

0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 2>That's right.

0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:32.000
<v Speaker 1>You also want to put your cake in the middle

0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 1>where you place your cake in the oven can even

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:35.480
<v Speaker 1>cause problems.

0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:37.960
<v Speaker 2>It's very finicky cakes are.

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:40.200
<v Speaker 3>Sure, well again it's a science experiment.

0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:43.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're basically like, do this right, jerk, or I

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:45.440
<v Speaker 1>might just take a nap here in the in the

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:47.160
<v Speaker 1>middle of the in the middle of the cake.

0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:49.760
<v Speaker 3>Maybe I'll burn, maybe I'll stick up your whole house.

0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:53.200
<v Speaker 1>But like you said about opening the door, like, ideally

0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:56.520
<v Speaker 1>you know the temperature your oven, you know how long

0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:59.720
<v Speaker 1>it takes, and maybe don't wait till literally you think

0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 1>I can pull it out, although if you're a good baker,

0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 1>you're not sweating it. You pull it out and you

0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:07.480
<v Speaker 1>know it's pretty much ready. But definitely don't keep opening it.

0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:10.160
<v Speaker 1>Try and lease wait till the end. And if you have,

0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 1>they're not quite as in fashion now, I don't think.

0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 1>But ovens with a window and a light m hm.

0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:20.560
<v Speaker 1>You can obviously take a little peak that way. Sure

0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:23.560
<v Speaker 1>those are kind about a fashion, right or are they?

0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:24.799
<v Speaker 3>I don't not that I know.

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:26.120
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I don't see those a lot. Do

0:34:26.160 --> 0:34:28.040
<v Speaker 2>you have a window in your rubin? Sure? Of course?

0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:29.160
<v Speaker 3>What am I a communist?

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Do you?

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:31.520
<v Speaker 3>Yes? With the light?

0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh man? What do you have just to stay in

0:34:34.440 --> 0:34:35.080
<v Speaker 2>the steel door.

0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:37.040
<v Speaker 3>That's a dishwasher, man.

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's my problem.

0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:41.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like my cakes always come out wet and soapy.

0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, do I have a window?

0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 3>Sure you do, I think everyone does.

0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:48.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm literally cannot picture my kitchen right now.

0:34:51.120 --> 0:34:52.640
<v Speaker 3>Jerry, he's got a window, right.

0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:54.880
<v Speaker 2>If I've been baking in the dishwasher.

0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:57.160
<v Speaker 3>Jerry, and I say, yes, you have a window, and you're.

0:34:57.920 --> 0:34:59.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that might be. I might have just said something

0:34:59.880 --> 0:35:00.439
<v Speaker 2>very dumb.

0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:02.319
<v Speaker 3>So so it's stand in.

0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 1>Well, I do know, you know what, I think. I

0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:06.040
<v Speaker 1>do have a window, but I don't have a working light.

0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:07.600
<v Speaker 1>That's why I think I don't have a window.

0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:08.960
<v Speaker 3>You need to replace the light bulb.

0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:11.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but wyone's a bottle of that for all it.

0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:15.320
<v Speaker 3>You can go to like any any big box hardware

0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:18.600
<v Speaker 3>store and killipop hardware store off the internet.

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:20.719
<v Speaker 2>Sure, I don't replace light bulbs at my house.

0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:22.839
<v Speaker 3>Matter of fact, I think they probably sell them at

0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:26.320
<v Speaker 3>the grocery store. Even you go find yourself some gulf wax,

0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:31.480
<v Speaker 3>and you're probably near the refrigerator oven light bulbs, all right.

0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:34.080
<v Speaker 2>The heat of the oven is very important.

0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:37.040
<v Speaker 1>So depending on how good your oven is, it may

0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:39.120
<v Speaker 1>be a little off maybe a little hotter or cooler,

0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:42.600
<v Speaker 1>So you might want to purchase an oven thermometer just

0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:45.240
<v Speaker 1>to give it a double check, because baking is science.

0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:48.399
<v Speaker 1>And when you think that that cake is done, take

0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:51.719
<v Speaker 1>a little peek through your window that everyone has, or

0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:53.320
<v Speaker 1>open it. If you really think it's done, give a

0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:56.040
<v Speaker 1>little tap in the center. If it springs back, then

0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 1>it's probably done. If you're an experienced baker, you just

0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:01.600
<v Speaker 1>know by looking at it. Or you can always do

0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:04.960
<v Speaker 1>the old toothpick trick, which is sticking that toothpick wooden

0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:08.160
<v Speaker 1>toothpick in the center of the cake and pull it out,

0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:11.200
<v Speaker 1>and if there's no cake on it, then it's pretty

0:36:11.280 --> 0:36:15.479
<v Speaker 1>much done. Right If it's if it's covered in goo,

0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:16.839
<v Speaker 1>that means it's not done.

0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:20.560
<v Speaker 3>Uh, that is correct, chuck.

0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 2>But then you can also lick that goo off that toothpick.

0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:25.960
<v Speaker 2>That's not bad.

0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:29.520
<v Speaker 3>No, you can, but you're it's just never quite as good.

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:32.839
<v Speaker 3>And I think it's it always tastes like disappointment, you

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:34.600
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean, because you want it to come

0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:36.800
<v Speaker 3>out clean. Anytime you're doing that, you're never really putting

0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:39.360
<v Speaker 3>it in ex it to come out battery.

0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:39.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:41.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So even though you do get to lick it.

0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:44.239
<v Speaker 3>That's like the one plus side of that that experience.

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 2>I think that's true. And if your cake is done,

0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:49.759
<v Speaker 2>you're not finished baking it yet. Even you need to

0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:50.919
<v Speaker 2>let it cool in the pan.

0:36:51.120 --> 0:36:51.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a big one.

0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:53.120
<v Speaker 2>You don't just pull the cake.

0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Out and and turn it upside down in your sink

0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:58.800
<v Speaker 1>and eat it with your hands while it's still hot.

0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:01.279
<v Speaker 2>Right, that's not the way to do it.

0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:04.880
<v Speaker 1>No, No, you want to let it finish in the

0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 1>pan cooling, because it's still doing a little bit of

0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:10.239
<v Speaker 1>baking and it's getting used to its new room in

0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:12.640
<v Speaker 1>the kitchen and saying, all right, this is a different

0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:13.319
<v Speaker 1>temperature in here.

0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Kept, I think I can hang with you guys.

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:17.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm alive.

0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:20.439
<v Speaker 1>Ten or fifteen minutes later, get out that wire rack,

0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:23.239
<v Speaker 1>flip it over and ideally it comes out all in

0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:24.480
<v Speaker 1>one nice thing.

0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:27.560
<v Speaker 3>Yep. And the other good thing about letting it cool

0:37:27.600 --> 0:37:30.400
<v Speaker 3>in the pan first, too, is when you cool it

0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:34.840
<v Speaker 3>on the wire rack, it won't get those wire indentations

0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:37.040
<v Speaker 3>in the cake because it is stable enough.

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:37.840
<v Speaker 2>I never thought about that.

0:37:37.880 --> 0:37:39.799
<v Speaker 3>Nobody likes us. Sure you can fill it in with

0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:42.880
<v Speaker 3>a little extra frosting. Yeah, Actually, now I think about it.

0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:45.279
<v Speaker 3>That's great. Those indentations are just fun.

0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:48.160
<v Speaker 2>The frosting grooves.

0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:50.239
<v Speaker 3>In other words, yep, should we.

0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:53.759
<v Speaker 1>Take a break, Yes, all right, we're gonna talk, well,

0:37:53.960 --> 0:38:09.719
<v Speaker 1>just about other kkey stuff right after this.

0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:16.480
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Chuck. You remember I was talking about baking soda

0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:19.359
<v Speaker 3>and how that changed everything. Yep, that was a big one.

0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:22.520
<v Speaker 3>That was from the eighteen forties. Baking soda sodium bicarbonate

0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:26.279
<v Speaker 3>just good old fashioned, regular old baking soda. SORR to

0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 3>be added to it, but at the time you needed

0:38:28.600 --> 0:38:32.160
<v Speaker 3>to also add another ingredient that was an acid, so

0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:34.800
<v Speaker 3>that the two would react and form CO two or

0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:38.960
<v Speaker 3>produce CO two. Right, somebody about twenty years after baking

0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:42.200
<v Speaker 3>soda was developed said, oh, I got this. We're gonna

0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:44.480
<v Speaker 3>come up with something called baking powder. And I never

0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:46.520
<v Speaker 3>knew this, but this is the difference between baking soda

0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:50.920
<v Speaker 3>and baking powder. Baking soda is just sodium bicarbonate. Baking

0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 3>powder is sodium bicarbonate and two other dry acidic minerals

0:38:57.400 --> 0:38:59.960
<v Speaker 3>that when dry, they don't do anything. You can mix

0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:01.879
<v Speaker 3>them together all day long and they just sit there

0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:05.560
<v Speaker 3>like what. But in the presence of water and heat,

0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:08.880
<v Speaker 3>then they start to react chemically with one another. So

0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:11.520
<v Speaker 3>you can add just a little baking powder and you

0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:14.799
<v Speaker 3>don't need an extra ingredient like yogurt or vinegar or

0:39:14.800 --> 0:39:17.600
<v Speaker 3>some other acid. It's got the base and the acid

0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:20.200
<v Speaker 3>that's going to produce the CO two in there. That

0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:24.720
<v Speaker 3>was a huge, huge advancement for cakes, but it actually

0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:29.000
<v Speaker 3>came kind of toward the end of cake advancements. Prior

0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:34.000
<v Speaker 3>to that. Just the mass production of the Industrial Revolution

0:39:34.560 --> 0:39:38.440
<v Speaker 3>had a big impact on cakes, among many many other things,

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:41.360
<v Speaker 3>but definitely had an impact on the spread of cake baking,

0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:43.440
<v Speaker 3>especially in the United States.

0:39:43.680 --> 0:39:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then so just you know, leave that baking

0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:47.960
<v Speaker 1>soda in your fridge to soak up the stink.

0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Sure, that's all it's good for. Well that No, you

0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:53.520
<v Speaker 2>can use the baking soda for a lot of stuff.

0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:56.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it also gets stink out of like clothes too.

0:39:57.080 --> 0:40:02.080
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, you can use it to well, that's it.

0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:04.640
<v Speaker 2>No, like school science projects. You want to make a volcano.

0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:06.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, vinegar and baking soda.

0:40:06.520 --> 0:40:10.000
<v Speaker 2>That's right, I'll love with your parents help. Yeah.

0:40:10.239 --> 0:40:15.040
<v Speaker 1>Pre packaged cake mix was a very big deal when

0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:18.200
<v Speaker 1>it came out in the nineteen thirties, but it was

0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:22.879
<v Speaker 1>a company named p. Duff and Sons. And they said,

0:40:23.200 --> 0:40:24.960
<v Speaker 1>we got a problem here. We got too much molasses

0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:27.799
<v Speaker 1>on our hands. So, and this is kind of how

0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:29.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot of great things have been invented. They had

0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:31.680
<v Speaker 1>too much of something. They say, well, what can we

0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:34.880
<v Speaker 1>use this for? So they got to work and they said,

0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:37.480
<v Speaker 1>mister John Duff, the owner, said, you know what, the

0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:39.960
<v Speaker 1>little wheat flour in there, with this molasses, a little shortening,

0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:42.680
<v Speaker 1>some spices, we got a gingerbread mix that we can

0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:44.520
<v Speaker 1>sell to the public. All you got to do is

0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:47.040
<v Speaker 1>add water, dumb, dumb, and you can bake yourself some

0:40:47.080 --> 0:40:48.000
<v Speaker 1>gingerbread cookies.

0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:48.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:55.200
<v Speaker 3>And the public went hooray because remember they had ovens

0:40:55.239 --> 0:41:00.279
<v Speaker 3>now in their houses. Yes, and they had this. The

0:41:00.760 --> 0:41:03.560
<v Speaker 3>idea that you could just get a mix from the

0:41:03.600 --> 0:41:06.880
<v Speaker 3>store and just add water was huge. It was a

0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:10.520
<v Speaker 3>huge change. And what's interesting is this whole like p

0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:13.279
<v Speaker 3>duffin Son's story, they're out of Pittsburgh by the way

0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:16.399
<v Speaker 3>from them coming up, because I think they quickly went

0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:20.160
<v Speaker 3>from just gingerbread mixes to cake mixes themselves as well.

0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:25.000
<v Speaker 3>But that busts several myths actually, some like long standing

0:41:25.080 --> 0:41:29.040
<v Speaker 3>food myths. Yeah, one of them is that cake mix

0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:33.560
<v Speaker 3>came out of a surplus of flour from World War Two.

0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:35.200
<v Speaker 3>That's where the cake mix came from.

0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:38.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean cake pre made cake mixes did get

0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:40.719
<v Speaker 1>way more popular after World War Two.

0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:42.320
<v Speaker 2>But it wasn't because there was so much flour.

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:44.479
<v Speaker 3>No, it was because that a lot of the food

0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:49.520
<v Speaker 3>companies started getting into pre mixed foods. Yeah, that you

0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:52.840
<v Speaker 3>could make pretty easily in your kitchen. But then the

0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:55.520
<v Speaker 3>other one. I'd love this one. There's this long standing

0:41:55.640 --> 0:41:58.760
<v Speaker 3>myth or this story about a guy named Ernest Dickter

0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:02.360
<v Speaker 3>who back in the nineteen fifties, Ernest Dicktor, he was

0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 3>a psychologist. I believe he came up with the term

0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:07.920
<v Speaker 3>focus group. He came up with the whole idea of

0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 3>focus groups to help companies figure out why their new

0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:16.040
<v Speaker 3>product wasn't doing so well, or how to make a

0:42:16.080 --> 0:42:19.840
<v Speaker 3>product that they hadn't launched yet even more appealing. This

0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:22.920
<v Speaker 3>guy came up with that whole idea of focus groups, right, correct.

0:42:24.080 --> 0:42:28.640
<v Speaker 3>So he's also credited with being the man who saved

0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:32.480
<v Speaker 3>cake mixes because cake mixes came out, everybody kind of

0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:37.040
<v Speaker 3>loved them, and then supposedly sales went flat and Ernest

0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:39.839
<v Speaker 3>Dictor got a focus group together and found out that

0:42:40.200 --> 0:42:44.560
<v Speaker 3>women who made cakes using these cake mixes felt guilty.

0:42:45.040 --> 0:42:48.120
<v Speaker 3>They weren't contributing anything to their families. They were just

0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:52.840
<v Speaker 3>adding water and making a cake and then quietly sobbing

0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:53.960
<v Speaker 3>while their family ate it.

0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:56.560
<v Speaker 2>Right about the patriarchal brainwashing.

0:42:56.880 --> 0:43:01.920
<v Speaker 3>Right, So Dictor realized that the best thing that these

0:43:02.120 --> 0:43:06.200
<v Speaker 3>cake mix companies could do is to remove the dried

0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:10.920
<v Speaker 3>egg ingredients from the mix and tell the consumer to

0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:15.239
<v Speaker 3>add her own eggs, so then that way she was contributing. Well,

0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:17.960
<v Speaker 3>it was a huge success, and cake mixes took off

0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:21.040
<v Speaker 3>and became part of the American pantheon from that point on.

0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:26.120
<v Speaker 1>Not true, No, Yeah, that is a total urban myth.

0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Most of these pre made mixes for years had said

0:43:31.600 --> 0:43:34.080
<v Speaker 1>to add your own eggs because it just was better

0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:37.560
<v Speaker 1>to add fresh eggs. Yeah, it tastes better and perform better.

0:43:37.920 --> 0:43:42.400
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know how that got started the myth,

0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah was it?

0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:46.319
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure either. Okay, I don't know, but it

0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:48.560
<v Speaker 3>is a long standing food myth that you can find,

0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:51.239
<v Speaker 3>like some very credible sources who say, like, oh this

0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:54.879
<v Speaker 3>is this happened, It's just everywhere. But it turns out

0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:57.880
<v Speaker 3>that's not true. But I think the reason why it

0:43:58.000 --> 0:44:01.200
<v Speaker 3>has had legs for so long is because Ernest Dictor

0:44:01.400 --> 0:44:05.520
<v Speaker 3>is actually rightfully credited with saving the cake mix market

0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:09.640
<v Speaker 3>through a focus group, and he did find that women

0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:14.280
<v Speaker 3>were kind of they didn't feel guilty about it about,

0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:18.319
<v Speaker 3>you know, not contributing more to the cake mix. They

0:44:18.320 --> 0:44:21.800
<v Speaker 3>think they were more bored by it. So he advised

0:44:21.840 --> 0:44:26.320
<v Speaker 3>companies to figure out a way to make cake baking

0:44:26.480 --> 0:44:29.600
<v Speaker 3>about way more than just baking the cake. And so

0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:33.520
<v Speaker 3>companies decided that they were going to start promoting cakes

0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:37.400
<v Speaker 3>as just the beginning part. That the real point of

0:44:37.440 --> 0:44:41.839
<v Speaker 3>baking cakes was to make these elaborate, amazing cakes that

0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:45.440
<v Speaker 3>you decorated, and it took you hours and hours to

0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:47.400
<v Speaker 3>make these things, and it was like a scene of

0:44:47.440 --> 0:44:49.919
<v Speaker 3>like Humpty Dumpty on a brick wall, but the whole

0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:54.400
<v Speaker 3>thing was made out of cake. And that was fostered

0:44:54.640 --> 0:44:58.960
<v Speaker 3>by the introduction of frosting, and that came from Ernest Dictor,

0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:01.920
<v Speaker 3>And that actually is save the cake mix industry.

0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:02.640
<v Speaker 2>That's right.

0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:06.040
<v Speaker 1>You want to know something about my mom? Yeah, champion

0:45:06.239 --> 0:45:09.440
<v Speaker 1>cake decorator, is that right? Not literal champion, Like she

0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:09.920
<v Speaker 1>never won a.

0:45:09.880 --> 0:45:14.200
<v Speaker 3>Contest, Yeah, because it is out there, but.

0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:17.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean as far as the home. The home

0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:19.920
<v Speaker 1>cake baker goes like she couldn't go on one of

0:45:19.920 --> 0:45:23.600
<v Speaker 1>these shows now where they make like the Giant British

0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:26.040
<v Speaker 1>Bake Off. Yeah, like giant submarines and stuff out of Fondon.

0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:30.600
<v Speaker 1>But just for like mom making special cakes every year

0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:32.879
<v Speaker 1>for the birthday. Every year she would say what kind

0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:34.680
<v Speaker 1>of cake you want this year? I'd be like, I.

0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:36.560
<v Speaker 2>Want a Star Wars cake. I want to Atlanta.

0:45:36.160 --> 0:45:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Falcons cake, and lo and behold, I would get my

0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:40.319
<v Speaker 1>Atlanta Falcons cake.

0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:42.520
<v Speaker 2>That's awesome, very cool stuff. You know.

0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:46.080
<v Speaker 3>I had an older sister who she died actually when

0:45:46.120 --> 0:45:48.560
<v Speaker 3>I was sixteen in a car accident.

0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:49.040
<v Speaker 2>But she.

0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:54.720
<v Speaker 3>Used to be the equivalent of your mom at making cakes.

0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:57.279
<v Speaker 3>Oh really, but she didn't even need to ask. She

0:45:57.320 --> 0:46:00.680
<v Speaker 3>would just she'd just make something up, right. Yeah, And

0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:02.680
<v Speaker 3>there was this one year, I'll never forget this cake.

0:46:03.600 --> 0:46:06.680
<v Speaker 3>We were all big time into Howard Jones, so it

0:46:06.760 --> 0:46:09.120
<v Speaker 3>must have been saying but yeah, it must have been

0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:11.839
<v Speaker 3>like my ninth or tenth birthday. My whole like, both

0:46:11.880 --> 0:46:14.799
<v Speaker 3>my sisters and me were totally into Howard Jones and

0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:18.520
<v Speaker 3>Karen my sister, my oldest sister, made a Howard Jones

0:46:18.719 --> 0:46:19.760
<v Speaker 3>keyboard cake.

0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:20.400
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:22.480
<v Speaker 3>And it was a couple of sheet cakes put together

0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:25.400
<v Speaker 3>frosted so it looked like one big thing that like

0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:29.600
<v Speaker 3>the black keys were kit kats, like the the knobs

0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:32.759
<v Speaker 3>on the synthesizer were rollos, and I was I just

0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:35.040
<v Speaker 3>looked around at all my friends, like, does everyone see

0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:37.680
<v Speaker 3>my cake? This is the greatest cake anyone's ever had?

0:46:37.719 --> 0:46:38.880
<v Speaker 2>And no one couldn't have any but me.

0:46:39.920 --> 0:46:42.799
<v Speaker 3>No, I shared, of course I wanted to everyone did

0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:43.920
<v Speaker 3>partake in the bounty?

0:46:44.080 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Was it a key tar or a keyboard? It was

0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:48.560
<v Speaker 2>a keyboard, okay, yeah, you never know.

0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Strap a yeah, strap a guitar strap on it. You

0:46:51.880 --> 0:46:52.640
<v Speaker 1>might could have held it.

0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:54.600
<v Speaker 3>I would not have put it past her to make

0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:55.879
<v Speaker 3>it a key tar.

0:46:56.520 --> 0:46:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Man.

0:46:56.920 --> 0:46:59.880
<v Speaker 1>That is very sweet story. Yeah, it literally and figured

0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:02.600
<v Speaker 1>thank you Hojo fans.

0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Huh, yes, when that is nickname?

0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:07.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't think so.

0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Did I make that up?

0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:09.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I think that's the hotel chain.

0:47:10.040 --> 0:47:13.319
<v Speaker 2>I think you're totally right. All right. Well, another tip

0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:15.200
<v Speaker 2>here for baking a cake. If you are looking at

0:47:15.200 --> 0:47:20.000
<v Speaker 2>recipes and it says use this kind of pan, you think, well,

0:47:20.200 --> 0:47:21.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't have that kind of pan.

0:47:21.280 --> 0:47:24.000
<v Speaker 1>I've got this kind of pan. It's aluminum and square,

0:47:24.360 --> 0:47:29.359
<v Speaker 1>and they're calling for a round dark pan's it makes

0:47:29.400 --> 0:47:30.600
<v Speaker 1>a big difference.

0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:31.919
<v Speaker 2>Like it can literally ruin your cake.

0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:36.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you supposedly want to reduce the heat. I think,

0:47:36.960 --> 0:47:38.799
<v Speaker 3>not the heat or the cook time, one of the two.

0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:47:39.160 --> 0:47:41.720
<v Speaker 1>It says a dark nonstick pan requires twenty five percent

0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:42.840
<v Speaker 1>reduction in temperature.

0:47:43.040 --> 0:47:45.640
<v Speaker 3>So you want to knock that heat down twenty five percent.

0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but also like google that stuff.

0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:51.279
<v Speaker 1>Don't just say Josh and Chuck said this should work,

0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:53.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, like, you have to have this the right

0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:56.800
<v Speaker 1>pan for that recipe and they will tell you in

0:47:56.840 --> 0:47:58.919
<v Speaker 1>the recipe and if you don't have it, just look

0:47:59.000 --> 0:48:00.239
<v Speaker 1>up the cheat it.

0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:03.000
<v Speaker 3>Basically, Yeah, two things you don't want to take our

0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:08.440
<v Speaker 3>advice blindly on medical stuff and baking stuff. Yeah, everything

0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:09.400
<v Speaker 3>else is fine.

0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:10.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't know about that, but those are the two

0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:12.320
<v Speaker 1>leading ways that we will mess.

0:48:12.120 --> 0:48:13.600
<v Speaker 2>Your life up for sure.

0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:17.080
<v Speaker 1>All Right, Well, I guess we need to talk about

0:48:17.160 --> 0:48:21.640
<v Speaker 1>the different methods we're getting super wonky into cakes here.

0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:23.279
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean that's what we do.

0:48:23.719 --> 0:48:24.080
<v Speaker 2>All right.

0:48:24.120 --> 0:48:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, let's talk about creaming then, because that is one

0:48:27.120 --> 0:48:30.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of method of making a cake and creaming is

0:48:30.280 --> 0:48:32.720
<v Speaker 1>what we talked about. You may not have known exactly

0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:35.000
<v Speaker 1>what we meant. But when you combine like the butter

0:48:35.040 --> 0:48:37.440
<v Speaker 1>and sugar and it says cream it with an electric beater,

0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:40.160
<v Speaker 1>that's what you're doing. And it's it's really tough at

0:48:40.160 --> 0:48:42.680
<v Speaker 1>first to get it going, but just hang in there

0:48:42.960 --> 0:48:45.360
<v Speaker 1>because that butter will start to break apart mixing it

0:48:45.480 --> 0:48:50.120
<v Speaker 1>with that sugar, and you you've got a nice, a

0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:54.840
<v Speaker 1>nice creamed mix of ingredients starter mix of ingredients on

0:48:54.880 --> 0:48:57.359
<v Speaker 1>your hand there, right, But you don't skimp on that.

0:48:57.360 --> 0:48:59.400
<v Speaker 2>That that first step.

0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:03.359
<v Speaker 3>And that's like that I think the creaming method that's

0:49:03.600 --> 0:49:05.840
<v Speaker 3>that's that's the one that best gets across this point

0:49:05.880 --> 0:49:09.640
<v Speaker 3>that this is like, this is a it's a chemical reaction.

0:49:10.280 --> 0:49:12.920
<v Speaker 3>I know we've kind of been beating that horse, but

0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:16.319
<v Speaker 3>it's really true. Like you, if you don't follow the

0:49:16.360 --> 0:49:19.040
<v Speaker 3>steps correctly, the chemical reaction is not going to come

0:49:19.040 --> 0:49:22.000
<v Speaker 3>out correctly. Right, And when you step back, you're like,

0:49:22.400 --> 0:49:25.120
<v Speaker 3>but I'm making a cake. That's true, But do you

0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:27.080
<v Speaker 3>want your cake to be good or do you want

0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:28.120
<v Speaker 3>to just waste your time?

0:49:28.560 --> 0:49:28.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:49:28.840 --> 0:49:31.279
<v Speaker 1>So, in the creaming method, when it says then makes

0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:35.680
<v Speaker 1>ingredients in this order, wet then dry, right, do that right?

0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Don't just say I'll just throw it all in there, right, yep.

0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:39.160
<v Speaker 1>It makes a difference.

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<v Speaker 3>And it says that pound cakes are like a variation

0:49:43.280 --> 0:49:46.160
<v Speaker 3>on the theme. Sure, I looked at the pound cakes. Man,

0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:49.239
<v Speaker 3>do you know so that the idea that poundcakes called

0:49:49.239 --> 0:49:51.680
<v Speaker 3>for a pound of each ingredient? That's actually true.

0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:52.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know.

0:49:52.600 --> 0:49:54.360
<v Speaker 3>But the reason why it called for a pound of

0:49:54.360 --> 0:49:58.200
<v Speaker 3>each ingredient was because a lot of the British people

0:49:58.200 --> 0:50:02.200
<v Speaker 3>at the time, in the early seventeen hundreds couldn't read,

0:50:02.800 --> 0:50:05.520
<v Speaker 3>so it was just an easy way to remember the recipe.

0:50:05.600 --> 0:50:09.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh interesting, yeah, all right, I'll buy that they'd be

0:50:10.000 --> 0:50:11.360
<v Speaker 3>like what's a TIBs?

0:50:12.880 --> 0:50:14.040
<v Speaker 2>And also pound cakes too.

0:50:14.080 --> 0:50:16.600
<v Speaker 1>The reason why you're not going to find a pound

0:50:16.600 --> 0:50:19.239
<v Speaker 1>cake with a big butter cream frosting is because that

0:50:19.280 --> 0:50:22.360
<v Speaker 1>will that will send you into sugar shock.

0:50:22.960 --> 0:50:23.560
<v Speaker 2>In a second.

0:50:23.719 --> 0:50:26.759
<v Speaker 1>Is why a pound cake is already really dense and sugary. Like,

0:50:26.880 --> 0:50:28.840
<v Speaker 1>that's why you just have it like a little glaze

0:50:28.920 --> 0:50:29.279
<v Speaker 1>on top.

0:50:29.560 --> 0:50:29.880
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

0:50:30.080 --> 0:50:32.839
<v Speaker 2>I do like that glaze. Actually, I eat a pound cake.

0:50:33.440 --> 0:50:39.440
<v Speaker 3>I think that glaze is oh what's it called? Deli something? Icing? Imperializing.

0:50:39.719 --> 0:50:42.799
<v Speaker 3>Oh I don't know, I can't remember. Uh, okay, So

0:50:42.840 --> 0:50:45.800
<v Speaker 3>the next one is the not the no aeration method

0:50:46.280 --> 0:50:49.719
<v Speaker 3>to where you're not really you're not whipping anything up.

0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you probably don't even have flour in this in

0:50:52.640 --> 0:50:54.520
<v Speaker 1>this this probably a flowerless.

0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:56.319
<v Speaker 3>Cake, right, So this, this is the kind of thing

0:50:56.360 --> 0:50:59.680
<v Speaker 3>that you use to make like a cheesecake or a

0:50:59.680 --> 0:51:01.040
<v Speaker 3>flower or less chocolate cake.

0:51:01.120 --> 0:51:02.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this can be very good.

0:51:02.480 --> 0:51:07.160
<v Speaker 3>Sure, and you are probably going to need to add

0:51:07.200 --> 0:51:09.640
<v Speaker 3>some sort of moisture because cakes like this tend to

0:51:09.640 --> 0:51:12.520
<v Speaker 3>crack while they're baking, which is why a lot of them,

0:51:12.760 --> 0:51:15.960
<v Speaker 3>cheesecakes in particular, you cook in a water bath in

0:51:16.040 --> 0:51:20.239
<v Speaker 3>the oven because that water vaporizes and steams around it

0:51:20.280 --> 0:51:21.880
<v Speaker 3>and helps keep that moisture in.

0:51:22.000 --> 0:51:22.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:51:22.200 --> 0:51:25.279
<v Speaker 3>I never knew that the reason for the water bath.

0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:27.560
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that you used a water bath. That

0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:28.160
<v Speaker 1>was news to me.

0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I never made a cheesecake.

0:51:29.960 --> 0:51:31.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they can be quite good.

0:51:31.719 --> 0:51:32.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh. I love cheesecake.

0:51:32.960 --> 0:51:35.720
<v Speaker 3>I don't think I've ever had any bad cheesecake. It's

0:51:35.760 --> 0:51:41.680
<v Speaker 3>always good. That's another thing too. Public's cheesecake is incredible.

0:51:41.960 --> 0:51:42.080
<v Speaker 2>Man.

0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:44.080
<v Speaker 3>They need to sponsor us and they sell it by

0:51:44.120 --> 0:51:47.120
<v Speaker 3>the double slice for those Oh, like, you get two

0:51:47.160 --> 0:51:49.319
<v Speaker 3>slices and they have a key lime one too. Chuck.

0:51:49.360 --> 0:51:52.320
<v Speaker 3>That's just man. Although if you don't like lemon stuff,

0:51:52.320 --> 0:51:53.080
<v Speaker 3>you might not like that.

0:51:53.160 --> 0:51:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh No, I love key lime in Okay, try their

0:51:55.480 --> 0:51:56.480
<v Speaker 2>key lime cheesecake.

0:51:56.600 --> 0:51:58.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they should send us some stuff.

0:51:58.520 --> 0:52:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Frankly, at Isle of Palms that for my vacation that

0:52:02.440 --> 0:52:05.759
<v Speaker 1>I've spoken about, they had one of the I can't

0:52:05.760 --> 0:52:08.040
<v Speaker 1>remember which one, but one of the seafood joints where

0:52:08.040 --> 0:52:10.760
<v Speaker 1>I would get all the fresh seafood had a homemade

0:52:10.840 --> 0:52:15.000
<v Speaker 1>key lime pie and I bought and ate one of

0:52:15.040 --> 0:52:17.880
<v Speaker 1>them with my friends that week, and I bought two

0:52:18.000 --> 0:52:18.640
<v Speaker 1>to go home with.

0:52:19.560 --> 0:52:20.480
<v Speaker 3>Did they make it home?

0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Huh?

0:52:21.800 --> 0:52:23.000
<v Speaker 3>Did they make it all the way home?

0:52:23.239 --> 0:52:23.279
<v Speaker 2>No?

0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:27.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I stopped and stopped at the border. Yeah, just

0:52:27.440 --> 0:52:29.080
<v Speaker 1>put my base in it. No, they made it home.

0:52:29.600 --> 0:52:31.759
<v Speaker 1>I think there's still one in the freezer actually, And

0:52:31.800 --> 0:52:33.520
<v Speaker 1>then one of them was consumed.

0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:35.759
<v Speaker 3>Nice. Yeah, good key lime pie is.

0:52:37.200 --> 0:52:40.399
<v Speaker 1>And finally, with a non narration method, you are you're

0:52:40.440 --> 0:52:44.480
<v Speaker 1>not doing the the beating, you're not creaming that stuff.

0:52:44.520 --> 0:52:48.960
<v Speaker 1>You were folding the batter. And we could describe it here,

0:52:49.000 --> 0:52:50.720
<v Speaker 1>but if you don't know what folding is and baking.

0:52:50.840 --> 0:52:53.160
<v Speaker 1>Just just look it up on the YouTube for proper

0:52:53.200 --> 0:52:56.200
<v Speaker 1>folding technique right, generally done with a like a rubber spatula.

0:52:56.480 --> 0:53:00.319
<v Speaker 3>Yep, there's a foaming method too, where you you are

0:53:00.320 --> 0:53:03.200
<v Speaker 3>basically using just egg whites usually and you're errating it

0:53:03.239 --> 0:53:06.239
<v Speaker 3>by whipping them up, which makes a merangue. You can

0:53:06.320 --> 0:53:09.360
<v Speaker 3>just stop there and incorporate sugar and you've got marangue,

0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:13.359
<v Speaker 3>which would make a Pavlova cake, which apparently Australia and

0:53:13.520 --> 0:53:16.000
<v Speaker 3>New Zealand have been fighting over the origin of for

0:53:16.840 --> 0:53:18.239
<v Speaker 3>close to one hundred years now.

0:53:18.320 --> 0:53:19.760
<v Speaker 2>But doesn't New Zealand win.

0:53:19.840 --> 0:53:25.480
<v Speaker 3>Supposedly, although I saw another article from some researchers who

0:53:25.480 --> 0:53:28.480
<v Speaker 3>said no, it came even earlier, a decade earlier out

0:53:28.520 --> 0:53:32.680
<v Speaker 3>of America via Germany, so who knows, But yes, out

0:53:32.719 --> 0:53:35.680
<v Speaker 3>of Australia New Zealand. New Zealand's apparently won that fight.

0:53:36.080 --> 0:53:39.080
<v Speaker 3>But that's marangu and Pavlova cake is like a merangue

0:53:39.080 --> 0:53:43.960
<v Speaker 3>cake with like fruit in the middle of it. And

0:53:44.040 --> 0:53:48.960
<v Speaker 3>then and then a listener sent us Pavlova once we

0:53:49.040 --> 0:53:52.600
<v Speaker 3>made it, it was pretty good. It is pretty good. Yeah,

0:53:52.800 --> 0:53:56.440
<v Speaker 3>And then you can also take that egg foam and

0:53:56.480 --> 0:53:58.400
<v Speaker 3>turn it into it like a sponge cake, like an

0:53:58.440 --> 0:54:01.520
<v Speaker 3>angel food cake or something like that. You don't like those.

0:54:01.400 --> 0:54:03.399
<v Speaker 2>Either, No, not big into angel food cake.

0:54:03.960 --> 0:54:07.080
<v Speaker 3>Although you can use sponge cake for strawberry short.

0:54:06.800 --> 0:54:08.120
<v Speaker 2>Cake that I will have.

0:54:08.440 --> 0:54:12.960
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so those spongy cakes that uses the egg foaming method,

0:54:13.160 --> 0:54:16.040
<v Speaker 3>but if you're making a true strawberry shortcake, you're going

0:54:16.080 --> 0:54:17.640
<v Speaker 3>to use an actual short cake.

0:54:17.760 --> 0:54:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Those are really good.

0:54:19.080 --> 0:54:21.799
<v Speaker 3>And the reason they're called short cake or short bread

0:54:21.840 --> 0:54:24.320
<v Speaker 3>is called short bread is short is apparently a British

0:54:24.440 --> 0:54:27.959
<v Speaker 3>term for crumbly. Oh okay, so that's where that came from.

0:54:28.680 --> 0:54:30.200
<v Speaker 3>Has nothing to do with the size.

0:54:30.360 --> 0:54:33.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Emily makes a really good gluten free short bread.

0:54:33.040 --> 0:54:35.080
<v Speaker 1>She's kind of gotten into baking a bit in the

0:54:35.160 --> 0:54:37.120
<v Speaker 1>last five or six years and gotten pretty good at it.

0:54:38.200 --> 0:54:40.440
<v Speaker 1>So she makes a good gluten free short bread that

0:54:40.480 --> 0:54:44.120
<v Speaker 1>we've had at short cake with homemade whip topping and

0:54:44.440 --> 0:54:45.600
<v Speaker 1>good fresh strawberries.

0:54:46.040 --> 0:54:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Those are good.

0:54:46.640 --> 0:54:50.960
<v Speaker 1>But my one complaint with her baking is it literally

0:54:50.960 --> 0:54:53.760
<v Speaker 1>looks like she came in there and just started throwing

0:54:53.920 --> 0:54:57.080
<v Speaker 1>ingredients everywhere with her bare hands like a three year old.

0:54:57.400 --> 0:54:59.880
<v Speaker 2>And then baked and then said I'm done.

0:55:00.040 --> 0:55:01.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, good night.

0:55:01.239 --> 0:55:04.160
<v Speaker 1>It is a it is a mess, yeah, a big,

0:55:04.200 --> 0:55:06.120
<v Speaker 1>big mess. And she always just says, get out of here.

0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:07.880
<v Speaker 1>I'll clean it up afterwards, don't worry about it.

0:55:08.520 --> 0:55:11.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's funny. The kitchen can be a

0:55:11.160 --> 0:55:13.560
<v Speaker 3>place of real tension sometimes, huh.

0:55:13.200 --> 0:55:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh for sure, Yeah, especially if both of you do

0:55:17.680 --> 0:55:19.120
<v Speaker 1>different things in the kitchen.

0:55:19.120 --> 0:55:21.600
<v Speaker 3>Right, like once hovering like are you going to clean

0:55:21.600 --> 0:55:22.239
<v Speaker 3>that up?

0:55:22.600 --> 0:55:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm the kitchen cleaner. So that's why she's just like,

0:55:24.719 --> 0:55:25.880
<v Speaker 1>just stay out of here, dude.

0:55:25.719 --> 0:55:28.080
<v Speaker 3>Right, just wait until the end. Yeah, and you show up,

0:55:28.080 --> 0:55:30.120
<v Speaker 3>You're like, it's Marge's time to shine.

0:55:30.760 --> 0:55:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll do this.

0:55:31.719 --> 0:55:34.520
<v Speaker 1>And this is such a passive aggressive move for me,

0:55:35.360 --> 0:55:38.600
<v Speaker 1>which is my style. Not endorsing that, I'm just saying

0:55:38.600 --> 0:55:40.960
<v Speaker 1>it's one of my downfalls I need to work on.

0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:43.480
<v Speaker 1>But I will just go in there and just like

0:55:43.600 --> 0:55:44.880
<v Speaker 1>groan or something.

0:55:45.760 --> 0:55:50.520
<v Speaker 2>She's like, oh god, and she'll just say no out right.

0:55:51.480 --> 0:55:51.880
<v Speaker 3>Again.

0:55:53.600 --> 0:55:55.120
<v Speaker 2>That's life at the Brian House.

0:55:57.560 --> 0:55:58.879
<v Speaker 3>That's a pretty nice chuck.

0:55:58.920 --> 0:55:59.879
<v Speaker 2>It's always with love though.

0:56:00.080 --> 0:56:02.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it always comes out. There's always a cake out

0:56:02.640 --> 0:56:04.000
<v Speaker 3>the on the other end, right.

0:56:03.920 --> 0:56:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's not gonna get in

0:56:05.480 --> 0:56:06.800
<v Speaker 1>serious fights with the kitchen stuff.

0:56:06.920 --> 0:56:07.080
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:56:07.160 --> 0:56:10.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So what's the last thing here.

0:56:11.440 --> 0:56:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Something called the all in one method.

0:56:13.040 --> 0:56:14.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's just like a cake makes you put it

0:56:14.880 --> 0:56:16.439
<v Speaker 3>all all together at once.

0:56:16.520 --> 0:56:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, we should talk a little bit about frosting

0:56:18.360 --> 0:56:24.160
<v Speaker 1>and icing. The earliest versions of frosting was just sort

0:56:24.160 --> 0:56:25.800
<v Speaker 1>of an almond and sugar paste.

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<v Speaker 2>Eh, not so big on that, but really, I mean

0:56:30.760 --> 0:56:31.160
<v Speaker 2>it can be.

0:56:31.160 --> 0:56:33.919
<v Speaker 3>Okay, but almond croissants are like one of my great

0:56:34.000 --> 0:56:34.600
<v Speaker 3>joys in life.

0:56:34.719 --> 0:56:36.239
<v Speaker 2>Like, oh, yeah, they're so good.

0:56:36.280 --> 0:56:38.800
<v Speaker 1>I suppose that's kind of what a bear claw is too, right, Yeah,

0:56:39.239 --> 0:56:39.840
<v Speaker 1>all right, I take it.

0:56:39.880 --> 0:56:44.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but that almond that's sweet almond paste inside is man, No, it.

0:56:45.320 --> 0:56:47.319
<v Speaker 2>Is good, but I'm like, don't put that on top of.

0:56:47.280 --> 0:56:48.800
<v Speaker 3>A cake, for sure, understood.

0:56:49.040 --> 0:56:51.080
<v Speaker 2>Stuff it in a pastry.

0:56:52.040 --> 0:56:54.359
<v Speaker 1>A friend chef that was the first person they think

0:56:54.640 --> 0:56:58.520
<v Speaker 1>that created like the first legit iced layer cake in

0:56:58.560 --> 0:57:01.520
<v Speaker 1>the fifteenth century, and then about the middle of the

0:57:01.520 --> 0:57:05.800
<v Speaker 1>seventeenth century is when the first frosting recipes started spreading

0:57:05.800 --> 0:57:06.600
<v Speaker 1>around on the internet.

0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:10.240
<v Speaker 3>Right, and fondant is gross.

0:57:10.800 --> 0:57:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not into it.

0:57:12.200 --> 0:57:14.560
<v Speaker 3>No, I mean, you can make a neat looking cake,

0:57:14.600 --> 0:57:16.800
<v Speaker 3>but it's gross. Tasting, I think, Yeah.

0:57:16.640 --> 0:57:20.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm then into it butter cream or cream cheese or

0:57:20.480 --> 0:57:23.400
<v Speaker 1>even Emily's Waldorf Astoria frosting, believe.

0:57:23.160 --> 0:57:23.480
<v Speaker 2>It or not.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it has a bit of a mouthfeel because

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<v Speaker 1>of the shortening, but like a residue on the.

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<v Speaker 2>Pallet, Yeah, on the roof of your mouth. Yeah, but

0:57:34.240 --> 0:57:34.880
<v Speaker 2>it's still good.

0:57:35.440 --> 0:57:40.480
<v Speaker 3>Well, let's talk about cakes like the well, no specific

0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:42.600
<v Speaker 3>cakes like the red velvet cake.

0:57:42.480 --> 0:57:43.720
<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, delicious.

0:57:43.840 --> 0:57:45.240
<v Speaker 3>Do you know why it's red?

0:57:46.080 --> 0:57:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Well, food coloring.

0:57:48.360 --> 0:57:50.160
<v Speaker 3>They use that to make it a little richer, but

0:57:50.200 --> 0:57:53.920
<v Speaker 3>it actually naturally turns red. It's a chemical reaction between

0:57:53.920 --> 0:58:00.920
<v Speaker 3>the cocoa, the vinegar in it, and the buttermilk. I believe, yes,

0:58:01.920 --> 0:58:02.920
<v Speaker 3>it turns it red.

0:58:03.400 --> 0:58:04.800
<v Speaker 2>All right, I don't know about that.

0:58:05.040 --> 0:58:07.840
<v Speaker 3>No, it's true. Okay, I read it on What's cook

0:58:07.840 --> 0:58:08.360
<v Speaker 3>in America.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll try it because i'm making Emily. Her birthday is

0:58:11.960 --> 0:58:14.240
<v Speaker 1>in a couple of weeks, and I'm making another. I'm

0:58:14.280 --> 0:58:15.360
<v Speaker 1>taking another stab at it.

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<v Speaker 3>Try the try go find like an original like like recipe.

0:58:21.440 --> 0:58:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, what do you mean.

0:58:23.040 --> 0:58:25.760
<v Speaker 3>Like one if if you see one that actually uses buttermilk,

0:58:25.800 --> 0:58:27.600
<v Speaker 3>bea like Okay, this one, this is one of the

0:58:27.600 --> 0:58:28.360
<v Speaker 3>ones I'm going to try.

0:58:28.400 --> 0:58:30.160
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, I have to use the recipe she tells

0:58:30.200 --> 0:58:30.600
<v Speaker 2>me to use.

0:58:30.880 --> 0:58:32.280
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I gotcha. Which isn't the.

0:58:32.240 --> 0:58:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Waldor the gluten free Waldorf for story version?

0:58:34.600 --> 0:58:36.800
<v Speaker 3>Oh gotcha? I see, But you have cocoa? Does it

0:58:36.920 --> 0:58:38.760
<v Speaker 3>have like vinegar and buttermilk in it? M?

0:58:39.160 --> 0:58:40.880
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember. It's been a couple of years since

0:58:40.880 --> 0:58:41.400
<v Speaker 2>I tried it.

0:58:41.520 --> 0:58:43.560
<v Speaker 3>Okay, well, it should turn red on its own, but

0:58:43.600 --> 0:58:45.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't think there's any harm in adding some more

0:58:45.520 --> 0:58:47.360
<v Speaker 3>synthetic chemical red dye.

0:58:48.080 --> 0:58:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, and the thing is, to a lot of people

0:58:49.920 --> 0:58:52.920
<v Speaker 1>that don't try red velvet cake don't try it because

0:58:52.920 --> 0:58:55.280
<v Speaker 1>they think it doesn't like it tastes.

0:58:55.000 --> 0:58:58.040
<v Speaker 2>Like chocolate cake pretty much. Yeah, it just is red.

0:58:58.080 --> 0:58:58.760
<v Speaker 3>It tastes red.

0:58:59.160 --> 0:59:01.520
<v Speaker 2>No, weird, It's not ketchup cake.

0:59:02.080 --> 0:59:07.240
<v Speaker 3>There's Yeah, that's Canadian, isn't it. There's hummingbird cakes.

0:59:07.560 --> 0:59:09.640
<v Speaker 2>Uh, well, what do you mean by the hummingbird?

0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:12.920
<v Speaker 3>Hummingbird cake has like some nuts and some fruit in it,

0:59:13.480 --> 0:59:15.680
<v Speaker 3>lots of frosting. I think it's a Southern cake.

0:59:15.960 --> 0:59:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like we called my grandmother Bryant called one of

0:59:19.560 --> 0:59:22.880
<v Speaker 1>the great all time Southern cooks and bakers like you know,

0:59:22.920 --> 0:59:25.960
<v Speaker 1>banana nut bread. Yeah, she called that hummingbird and I

0:59:25.960 --> 0:59:27.560
<v Speaker 1>don't know if that was specific to her or if

0:59:27.560 --> 0:59:28.600
<v Speaker 1>they are interchangeable.

0:59:29.160 --> 0:59:32.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I'm not actually a Southern native, so

0:59:32.440 --> 0:59:35.480
<v Speaker 3>I would not say one way or the other. All

0:59:35.600 --> 0:59:39.480
<v Speaker 3>my experience with hummingbird cake is it's more like a

0:59:39.560 --> 0:59:43.600
<v Speaker 3>carrity cake with say, like pineapple in it and some

0:59:43.640 --> 0:59:46.600
<v Speaker 3>other fruits in it, and a thick layer of frosting.

0:59:47.000 --> 0:59:49.520
<v Speaker 3>And supposedly the reason it's called the hummingbird cake is

0:59:49.560 --> 0:59:52.040
<v Speaker 3>because it's so sweet it could attract hummingbirds.

0:59:52.760 --> 0:59:54.800
<v Speaker 1>See maybe, I mean that's sort of like banana nut bread.

0:59:55.440 --> 0:59:57.720
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if they're interchangeable or for variation.

0:59:57.840 --> 1:00:00.600
<v Speaker 1>But give me some banana nut bread, which is not

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<v Speaker 1>a cake but it sort of is, and slice it

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<v Speaker 1>up and put some butter on it. Yeah, toasted it

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<v Speaker 1>in the oven. YEP, No, I'm with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Our freezer is always chuck full of black bananas blackened

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<v Speaker 3>with age. Oh sure, because you makes a killer banana

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<v Speaker 3>nut bread from scratch.

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<v Speaker 2>Using.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you just can't look at the bananas when

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<v Speaker 3>she's incorporating.

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<v Speaker 2>What does that do? Why is that the key? Do

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<v Speaker 2>you know?

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<v Speaker 3>They just are supposed to be mushy.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, oh, okay, gotcha.

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<v Speaker 3>And like the best way to make bananas mushy is

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<v Speaker 3>to let them age, let them age freeze agent.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's talk about Indian pound cake. Apparently that's

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<v Speaker 1>a thing that has corn meal in it, and I

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<v Speaker 1>can't imagine that taste, but I'd like to try it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well. Yeah, and that was one of the earliest cakes

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<v Speaker 3>in the US. And I think what the author Leah

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<v Speaker 3>Hoy is pointing out is that like cakes came from

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<v Speaker 3>all over the place through time and geography, and that

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<v Speaker 3>the mass immigration tore into America over say like the seventeenth, eighteenth,

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<v Speaker 3>nineteenth centuries, in twentieth too. All these people from all

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<v Speaker 3>these different lands brought their ideas are ingredients of cake,

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<v Speaker 3>and they kind of went through this americanized grinder to

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<v Speaker 3>where eggs were added, butter was added, and like you've

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<v Speaker 3>got these ingredients. So it bears a resemblance to its

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<v Speaker 3>original one, but it's been like cakeified in the American way,

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<v Speaker 3>and that started basically right as European settlers got to

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<v Speaker 3>North America.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, apparently the good old fashioned chocolate layer cake came

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<v Speaker 1>out of Boston because there were chocolate companies there.

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<v Speaker 3>Even the German chocolate cake is not German, it's American.

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<v Speaker 3>It's led after a man whose last name was German.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh interesting, well that means he's German. German American could

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<v Speaker 1>be maybe they should call it the German American Chocolate.

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<v Speaker 3>Cake or just German chocolate cake. But it's really American,

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<v Speaker 3>everybody is what the real title should be.

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<v Speaker 2>Strawberry shortcake that you mentioned that does come from the

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<v Speaker 2>old world.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not much of a jingo list either, I think

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<v Speaker 3>you might say. Of course, I've never felt more national

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<v Speaker 3>pride than in talking about cakes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is where cakes were born.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, the pineapple upside down cake. Heaven help you if

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<v Speaker 1>you eat that stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it, do you really, man? It's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just don't like fruit anywhere near my cake. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a strawberry shortcake.

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<v Speaker 3>You definitely win like a hummingbird cake then even.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe that's the difference between it hummingbird and the

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<v Speaker 1>banana bread. Right, although banana's in there, right, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>well see though, that's not a fruitcake to me.

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<v Speaker 3>No, you just don't like the juicy fruits in your cake.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds like.

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<v Speaker 1>No or coconut, which isn't the German chocolate cake in

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<v Speaker 1>that coconut in the icing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I see that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so good.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want coconut anywhere near my cakes.

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<v Speaker 1>But that pineapple upside down cake apparently that stuff sort

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<v Speaker 1>of sprang out of a contest Dole had the Doll

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<v Speaker 1>Company in the mid nineteen twenties. They said, hey, bake

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<v Speaker 1>some cakes with fruit, and so thousands of pineapple upside

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<v Speaker 1>down cakes came out. So I don't think they were

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<v Speaker 1>invented for that, but maybe that's just what made them

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<v Speaker 1>so popular.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, gotcha.

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<v Speaker 3>And then there's other Again, there's cakes around the world

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<v Speaker 3>that looked like cakes, kind of like tear Me Sue

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<v Speaker 3>Yum is a quintessential Italian cake, but it was invented

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<v Speaker 3>in the nineteen sixties. Black forest cake actually is from Germany.

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<v Speaker 3>It was invented in nineteen fifteen. So what happened was again,

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<v Speaker 3>cake explosion happened here in the good old US of A,

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<v Speaker 3>and it spread back out to the world. There was

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<v Speaker 3>it influx of cake ideas into America. America perfected the cake,

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<v Speaker 3>and it went back out to the world. That's right,

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<v Speaker 3>that's what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>What else? What about sled chase?

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<v Speaker 3>It's great too. Three kinds of milk, evaporated, condensed, and

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<v Speaker 3>a whole. It's tough to go wrong with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, talk about moist.

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<v Speaker 3>And I've like, I've had good and bad trace lay chase,

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<v Speaker 3>but I've never had an actual trace lay chase. I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, this is so bad, I'm not gonna finish.

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<v Speaker 2>It, right, have you no?

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<v Speaker 3>And then there's doda yaki, which is like have you

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<v Speaker 3>ever had this?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the big things that people in Japan love

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<v Speaker 3>is like sweetened red bean paste. Okay, you can find

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<v Speaker 3>it here there in like sweets, but this dori yaky

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<v Speaker 3>in particular, is like between two pancakes. It's like a filling.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes it's not even two pancakes. It's like a hole

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<v Speaker 3>with like a red bean paste inside. It's like this light,

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<v Speaker 3>kind of fluffy cake like thing with red bean paste inside.

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<v Speaker 3>It's good. You can their best like hot off of

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<v Speaker 3>the street from somebody who just made it. That's when

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<v Speaker 3>it's absolutely best. But it's like kind of thing you

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<v Speaker 3>can also find in a seven to eleven or something too,

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<v Speaker 3>like in cellophane.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's good. It's no cheesecake, no Japanese cheesecake, I'll

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<v Speaker 3>tell you that.

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<v Speaker 2>Nope, but it's still pretty good. Man. That was a

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<v Speaker 2>good one. I think cakes.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, are you done?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm done?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay. If you want to know more about cakes, go

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<v Speaker 3>eat some. You're gonna love them. Yeah, there's a cake

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<v Speaker 3>out there for you. And since I said that, it's

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<v Speaker 3>time for listener mate.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm gonna call this a special one man

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<v Speaker 1>administrative details shout.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, because we got.

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<v Speaker 1>A box today from a man named Nick Pegan from.

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<v Speaker 2>San Jose Bay area, and he sent us just a

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<v Speaker 2>blotted stuff, like good stuff. It wasn't a box full

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<v Speaker 2>of garbage he sent.

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<v Speaker 3>He said that anyone ever has sent us a box

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<v Speaker 3>full of garbage.

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<v Speaker 2>He sent us.

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<v Speaker 1>Framed things, sent me a framed pavement poster, which is great,

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<v Speaker 1>and sent us CDs of music. He sent bottles of

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<v Speaker 1>liquid stuff, most notably wine for Jerry, and then bourbon

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<v Speaker 1>and Scotch for us.

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<v Speaker 2>And he is a whiskey.

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<v Speaker 1>Enthusiast that lives in the Bay Area, like big time,

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<v Speaker 1>and just a good dude. And beyond that, he added this,

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<v Speaker 1>he added he's a list maker, an amateur list maker,

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<v Speaker 1>and he sent us a list, and Nick, if you're listening,

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<v Speaker 1>please send us the word document digital version of this

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<v Speaker 1>print out that you sent. Because he said every time

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<v Speaker 1>he said we should do a podcast on that, he

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<v Speaker 1>made a list alphabetically of that stuff. Nice work, Nick,

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<v Speaker 1>and the list is so comprehensive and awesome that we

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<v Speaker 1>need it to work from.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he made a list of films that.

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<v Speaker 1>Each of us said we need to see, which is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good. And then finally he sent us a list

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<v Speaker 1>and encourage us to play a little game here, which

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<v Speaker 1>we'll do very quickly. See if Chuck can see, if

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<v Speaker 1>Josh can guess how many times we've done the following things?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you ready?

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<v Speaker 3>Why me?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because I have the list in my hand and

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<v Speaker 2>you're sitting across from me, and you can't see this paper,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>How many coas? And for people that don't know it

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<v Speaker 1>means cover our butts? How many coas have we issued

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<v Speaker 1>over one thousand shows?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to say twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Seven seventy five?

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, Wow, we are really good at that. Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>How many times have we admitted on the air that

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<v Speaker 1>it is a take two.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're not gonna get anything, or maybe you might.

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<v Speaker 3>It will be total luck if I do eight seven?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so close rare listener mail shout.

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<v Speaker 3>Outs, Oh, I don't know what that means.

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<v Speaker 1>Like where we say, hey, can you say hello to

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<v Speaker 1>my boyfriend?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Three?

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<v Speaker 2>No, sixty two? What that's pretty rare tho out of

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<v Speaker 2>a thousand?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but still it seems like I thought it was

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<v Speaker 3>even rareer than that did. We used to do it

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<v Speaker 3>more than we do now, I think so.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Was a little more generous in Earth Takes. Yeah, trips

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<v Speaker 1>in the Wayback Machine.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, there's a lot of those. I'm gonna say. Out

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<v Speaker 3>of a thousand episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>Three hundred and twenty, he says, fifty nine. So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know about this, Nick.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you missed a few. Nick. You're just making

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<v Speaker 3>up numbers, aren't you. How many can scotch at home

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<v Speaker 3>and making up numbers?

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<v Speaker 2>How many paper lists have you eaten? Me?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? One that I know of.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, you nailed it.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember the episode too. It was how geniuses work?

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<v Speaker 3>Or what makes a genius?

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<v Speaker 2>Huh?

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<v Speaker 3>And I said that if this list, if the list

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<v Speaker 3>of geniuses. If the number one genius was Einstein, I

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<v Speaker 3>would eat the list it turned out it was Einstein.

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<v Speaker 2>How many Glenn Danzig or Misfits references?

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<v Speaker 3>Those would be all you seventeen four? You need to

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<v Speaker 3>step it up.

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<v Speaker 2>How many times has Chuck was? How many times have

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<v Speaker 2>I done this? Wow?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's literally countless. If he came up with

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<v Speaker 3>a number, it's a lie.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, two hundred and eighty eight.

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<v Speaker 3>That's gotta be more than.

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<v Speaker 1>That Simpsons references. I'll just go ahead and tell you

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and ninety seven. Apparently we have High Does.

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<v Speaker 3>That include the two episodes on The Simpsons?

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<v Speaker 2>No? No, no, thinks okay, apparently we have High five once. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised we even did that.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure a number of times Josh has done this a lot?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I think a lot just works for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Four hundred and twenty six times almost half our episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great. Yeah, and then bonus, name all of Josh's

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<v Speaker 2>nicknames for Chuck. I'll just go ahead and read those.

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<v Speaker 1>You have called me chuckers, you've called me beautiful, don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember that one? The famous Chuck tran cheech, Rusty Zonkers

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<v Speaker 1>and the Flash. Nick is my new favorite listener. This

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<v Speaker 1>is all gold plus.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for buttering us up with the care package too, Nick.

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<v Speaker 3>That was nice of you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah so, Nick Pagan, you are now on the guest

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<v Speaker 1>list for the San Francisco Sketch Fest show. Just hit

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<v Speaker 1>me up with an email, send that list of shows

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<v Speaker 1>that we need to do via digital document and you

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<v Speaker 1>are in, Like Flynn.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks a lot, Nick, Well, if you want to be

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<v Speaker 3>like Nick, you can send us an email. The Stuff

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