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Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Schreeger is a production of the

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Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's Up, Everybody? This is

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Speaker 1: the Season with Peter Schrager. I'm Peter Schreger, joined here

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Speaker 1: by my trusted producer, Aaron wang Kaufman. We are now

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Speaker 1: less than ten days away from the NFL Draft, and

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Speaker 1: I have not slept over the last twenty four hours

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Speaker 1: I take a lot of pride and I put out

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Speaker 1: my first mock draft. And that sounds so trivial in

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Speaker 1: the grand scheme of things, and you're just dropping into

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Speaker 1: this podcast, like, who is this person who thinks that

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Speaker 1: it's such a dramatic thing that he's putting out his

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Speaker 1: first mock draft? The first of two. Let me explain

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Speaker 1: the reason I take so much pride in it is that,

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Speaker 1: year after year after year, I have a great humility.

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Speaker 1: Usually I do not have great humility when it comes

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Speaker 1: to this. I have the most accurate mock draft on

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Speaker 1: the Internet. And that's because I don't do the mock

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Speaker 1: draft in terms of who I would take or what

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Speaker 1: I think a team should do. I do it with

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Speaker 1: what I'm hearing from around the league, from GMS, from coaches,

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Speaker 1: and in many cases from those teams specifically, if you

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Speaker 1: watch Good Morning Football, listen to this podcast, you know

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Speaker 1: I've got relationships around the league. I oftentimes will utilize

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Speaker 1: those relationships and getting the best NFL news available, not

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Speaker 1: necessarily transactional. This guy signed for this much money and

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Speaker 1: breaking news here but more. Okay, Jalen Hurt signs a deal.

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Speaker 1: Here's how it got done. Here's why I got done.

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Speaker 1: Let me speak to my sources in Philadelphia and on

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Speaker 1: and get the best information possible. When it comes to

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Speaker 1: the draft though, and I says, well, you're getting smoke screens,

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Speaker 1: you're getting this. No one's telling me who they're taking

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Speaker 1: trying to make it work. I'm trying to get to

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Speaker 1: He must have spoken to somebody. Let me get on

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Speaker 1: let me explain why this might not make sense. So

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Speaker 1: my first mock draft came out and I worked on

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Speaker 1: it over Saturday, Sunday, Monday, came out on Tuesday morning.

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Speaker 1: Here's how it goes, and I'm going to go through

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Speaker 1: number one. The Carolina Panthers are taking Bryce Young number two.

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Speaker 1: I have a trade and this is so unlikely, and

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Speaker 1: yet I connected a couple dots here where if ever

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Speaker 1: be the one. I have. The Houston Texans trading back

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Speaker 1: DeForest Buckner, to the Houston Texans. They just restructured Buckner's contract.

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Speaker 1: But if the Colts were to offer the fourth overall

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Speaker 1: Just take CJ. Stroud at two, be done with it.

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Speaker 1: c J. Stroud high on their board. They absolutely do

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Speaker 1: just a bit. Five is the Seahawks, fascinating team, loaded everywhere.

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Speaker 1: After eight straight years of not being a starter and

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Speaker 1: all this for the Russell Wilson trade anytime soon. Top

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson to the Seahawks at five. I went Jalen Carter.

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Speaker 1: A ton of talent still on the board in this draft.

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Speaker 1: I just am hearing a lot of heat on Hooker

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Speaker 1: He played at Tennessee. He'd be going to the Tennessee Titans.

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Speaker 1: I've got them taking will Levis at twelve. Now, will

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Speaker 1: Levis is a fascinating story. At one point I thought

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Speaker 1: about it. I don't know. It's a mock draft Will Levis.

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Speaker 1: Houston Texans desperately need a quarterback. I think it makes

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Speaker 1: some sense Will Levis, the Texans at twelve, Jets, Broderick Jones, Patriots,

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Speaker 1: Devin Witherspoon, the cornerback at Illinois, some of him going

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Speaker 1: fourteen and going second on the cornerback to Christian Gonzales fifteen,

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Speaker 1: Green Bay. How fun would this be? Jackson Smith Nijibba.

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Speaker 1: Seventeen Paris Johnson sitting there. I've got the Steelers taking

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Speaker 1: Would the Steelers pass on Joey Porter Junior? Everyone say,

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Speaker 1: and Joey Porter Junior. That would be awesome for them. Again.

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Speaker 1: A mock draft ten days out nineteen Tampa, Deontay Banks

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Speaker 1: In this draft, they get Lucas van Ness out of Iowa.

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Speaker 1: Twenty one Chargers. They take Michael Mayer, talented tight end

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Speaker 1: They lost Adam Thielen. Jaguars go Brian Branch, defensive back

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Speaker 1: have them going for a small, undersized wide receiver in

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Speaker 1: the first round this year. Yeah, this guy has accomplished

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. And of course now Desmont Ridder is a

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Speaker 1: starting quarterback in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think, Peter, what these teams are really

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Speaker 4: trying to drill down on right now on it if

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Speaker 4: you talk to all thirty two man who loves football

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Speaker 4: and who are the really truly competitive guys, So like

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Speaker 4: you know, I think the common thought out there is

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Speaker 4: that Senior Bowl practice week matters a ton in the game,

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Speaker 4: maybe not so much. And that's because most of the

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Speaker 4: you know, most of the key decision makers get on

437
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Speaker 4: a plane on Friday after Thursday night interviews and they

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Speaker 4: get out of dodge. But it's not like it's not

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Speaker 4: like the game tape isn't being watched right, Like it's

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Speaker 4: there's no there's no game that gets watched more in

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Speaker 4: draft meetings than the Senior Bowl game tape. And we

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Speaker 4: wore it out every team I ever worked for. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: it is the little takeaways. Man, It's the little things

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Speaker 4: that you can kind of grab onto. Because I say

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Speaker 4: this all the time, you know, it really is this

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Speaker 4: whole quote unquote pre draft process. It's a short period

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Speaker 4: of time. I mean you're talking January to April. You

448
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Speaker 4: got about four months to really figure these guys out

449
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Speaker 4: and who you want to give, you know, millions and

450
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Speaker 4: millions of dollars to so you do. Sometimes you grab

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Speaker 4: on a little stuff like that and it goes a

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Speaker 4: long way. And I think when you get a Desmond

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Speaker 4: Ritter that's in that in that situation, yeah, it might

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Speaker 4: not seem like the biggest deal to the outside world,

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Speaker 4: but he's a competitor, like he's in there, and to me,

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Speaker 4: those those are the little takeaways that that really it

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Speaker 4: seems like a little thing, but it's really a kind

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Speaker 4: of a window into a much bigger thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't have it in front of me, and I apologize.

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Speaker 1: I don't have the list of the guys who were there,

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Speaker 1: but I have memories, and you know, I've been watching

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Speaker 1: clips saying, who are the six quarterbacks who were at

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl this year?

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Speaker 4: This year it was Max dug In from TCU, j

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Speaker 4: Kaner from Fresno State, Clayton Tune from Houston, Jaren Hall

466
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Speaker 4: from BYU, Malik Cunningham from Louisville, and Tyson Bagent from Shepherd. So, yeah,

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Speaker 4: this was a year, a different year. You know, we've

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Speaker 4: had I think seven straight in Hendon Hooker.

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Speaker 3: Hennon was down.

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Speaker 4: He was obviously injured and he couldn't really participate on

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Speaker 4: the field, but went through all the interview stuff and

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Speaker 4: was in the in the classroom with the teams.

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Speaker 3: And again, we we've.

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Speaker 4: Never invited an injured player in my five years, but

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Speaker 4: I felt like Kennon was kind of a one off

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Speaker 4: special case. But yeah, we have like a seven year

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Speaker 4: run of first round quarterbacks. Maybe Hendon extends that streak.

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Speaker 4: Maybe that streaks and Jeopardy, But it was a cool

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Speaker 4: quarterback group because they were all kind of graded similarly

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Speaker 4: like most teams when we do our call process in

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Speaker 4: February before we put the roster together. That's part of

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Speaker 4: our process too, is really bouncing you know, Sharon grades

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Speaker 4: with the teams and really bouncing stuff off. That's where

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Speaker 4: the relationships come in. I mean, most of the teams

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Speaker 4: had all these guys in that you know, early day

486
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Speaker 4: three area and and that you know, Senior Bowl week

487
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Speaker 4: was kind of where we start sorting those guys out

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Speaker 4: and really you know, and then combine and obviously Pro

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Speaker 4: Day and the workouts and the interviews all matter. But

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Speaker 4: down here watching those guys throw back to back to

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Speaker 4: back kind of help those guys in that you know,

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Speaker 4: a third, fourth, fifth round area.

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Speaker 1: Hendon Hooker was there. He's getting a little bit of

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Speaker 1: buzz right now, Late buzz. I had my mock draft

495
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Speaker 1: come out today and I've got him going before Will Levis,

496
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Speaker 1: which has rocked the Internet and people are freaking out.

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing really positive things about not only his meetings,

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Speaker 1: about his early recovery, and about the leadership skills that

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Speaker 1: he brings to a team. Can you talk to us

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Speaker 1: about Hendon Hooker a little bit, even if he'd get

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Speaker 1: to play in the senior ball, the fact he was

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Speaker 1: there and was able to show his face, he did

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Speaker 1: interact with teammates and also coaching staffs. I think that

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Speaker 1: says a lot.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, that was that was a one off.

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Speaker 4: That's that's not a president we want to set, you know,

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Speaker 4: because again I think there will be some some people

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Speaker 4: that take advantage of that. Oh well, I'd love to go, Jim,

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Speaker 4: but I've got an ankle, like just use use the

510
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Speaker 4: game for the interview process, and we're not going to

511
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Speaker 4: go down that road. But to me, Hendon deserved it.

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Speaker 4: You know, he was one of the faces of college

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Speaker 4: football this year. Got to see him play a couple

514
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Speaker 4: of times this fall. I mean, just a really good player.

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Speaker 4: And again, because the quarterback position, the meeting time, in

516
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Speaker 4: the interview is like all that stuff being so important,

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Speaker 4: I kind of felt like we owed that to Hendon,

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Speaker 4: you know, and he's done a great job and I'll

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Speaker 4: take it here. Just kind of something time relevant with

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Speaker 4: the Jalen Hurts signing yesterday, right, I mean, Jalen.

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Speaker 3: Hurts came down here. Everybody had him in the fourth

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Speaker 3: or fifth round.

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Speaker 4: We had him in the fourth round coming in a

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Speaker 4: Senior Bowl week leading up to that draft. Like to me,

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Speaker 4: the comp for me was Dak Prescott and now we've

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Speaker 4: seen Jalen. I think Howie Roseman got questioned big time

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Speaker 4: when he made the draft pick, you know, fifty three overall.

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Speaker 4: Everyone thought that was way too high for Jalen. But

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Speaker 4: if you I mean, I think the lesson, at least

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Speaker 4: for me, Like the takeaway from Jalen was don't ever

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Speaker 4: put a ceiling on these guys that are like high

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Speaker 4: end competitors, high end workers, high end leaders.

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Speaker 3: And say what you want about Hendon's tape.

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Speaker 4: We can all watch his tape and pick apart scheme

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Speaker 4: and things of that nature. But he's the same as

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Speaker 4: Jalen in those three areas. Now they're a little bit

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Speaker 4: a little bit different personalities. Jalen's like super intense. I

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Speaker 4: know you've probably spent time around him, like he's a

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Speaker 4: really intense guy. Hendon's a little more laid back than that.

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Speaker 4: But in terms of the worker the competitor, like, that's

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Speaker 4: why that's why you're seeing that rise. I know you're

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Speaker 4: talking to guys around the league. That's why teams are

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Speaker 4: feeling good about him because of all that stuff that

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Speaker 4: you can't coach.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 4: You can't by the time they're by the time they're

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Speaker 4: in their twenties. Like the work ethic, the competitor like,

548
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Speaker 4: that stuff's instilled. You can work on the on the

549
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Speaker 4: field stuff, but you can't work on that stuff. So

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Speaker 4: to me, that's why Hendon's making kind of this what

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Speaker 4: you'd call maybe a late rise.

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Speaker 1: All Right, the exercise we're gonna do, no one knows

553
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Speaker 1: these guys better than you. I'm sure you're biased towards

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Speaker 1: the senior Bowl players. I'm gonna maybe go with some underclassmen.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do an exercise can also gonna be a

556
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Speaker 1: draft of sorts. We're gonna ping pong back and forth.

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Speaker 1: And this is called My Favorite five players with Jim

558
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Speaker 1: Naggy and what it is. I'm gonna name my favorite player,

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Speaker 1: You're gonna name your next favorite player, and it doesn't

560
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Speaker 1: have to be in any order. Just guys that we love,

561
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Speaker 1: you fall in love with people through the draft process,

562
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Speaker 1: and my first one is boring as hell. It is

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Speaker 1: someone that you're gonna say, Shrieker, that's not Bryce Young

564
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Speaker 1: is my favorite player in this draft. I absolutely loved

565
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Speaker 1: getting to know this guy. I love that he's different.

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Speaker 1: I like the fact that he's undersized and has worked

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Speaker 1: that way his entire career and has had great success

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Speaker 1: in the SEC. And from all the things I'm hearing

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Speaker 1: about in these meetings with teams, he has been just awesome,

570
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Speaker 1: a leader, competent, loves football, and I think the size

571
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Speaker 1: thing is cool, Like it's not my team, I'm not

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Speaker 1: drafted him first. Overall, I love guys who break the mold.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the comparisons are funny because I asked.

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Speaker 1: I asked a GM. I'm like, all right, give me

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Speaker 1: a comparison because Kyler's the first one or Drew Brees

576
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Speaker 1: the first one, but give me a comparison of the

577
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Speaker 1: way he plays the game. And the comparison I got

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Speaker 1: was Steph Curry, and I thought that was so cool.

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Speaker 1: So then I was like, all right, that's really cool.

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Speaker 1: And then I asked another GM, all right, who would

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Speaker 1: you compare Bryce Young two? And he goes, I compare

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Speaker 1: him to Trey Young on the Hawks, and I'm like,

583
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Speaker 1: that's the second an NBA point guard that has been

584
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Speaker 1: compared to. Like the NFL is changing, He's not built

585
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Speaker 1: like other NFL quarterbacks, and yet I still think he

586
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Speaker 1: might be the first overall pick. He's my favorite player

587
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Speaker 1: in this draft. Your thoughts on Bryce Young do you

588
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Speaker 1: have any Did you get to know him at all?

589
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Speaker 1: And when you see him on tape as a former scout,

590
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Speaker 1: what do you see?

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Speaker 4: I almost went with Bryce as well Peter at the

592
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Speaker 4: top because I didn't want to be accused of being

593
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Speaker 4: a senior ble homer. But yeah, I have had the

594
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Speaker 4: chance to meet Bryce without it. Actually met him a

595
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Speaker 4: couple of years ago at a camp out in Santa

596
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Speaker 4: Monica for the first time, and man, that the takeaway there.

597
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Speaker 4: And I found this over over the years with with

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Speaker 4: leaders and quarterbacks, like he's really comfortable in his own skin.

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Speaker 3: Like you said, he's he's a little bit different.

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Speaker 4: I mean I remember the first conversation we started talking

601
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Speaker 4: about cooking, Like the dude loves to cook, Like he's

602
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Speaker 4: kind of got.

603
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Speaker 3: Some renaissance man to him.

604
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Speaker 4: You know, he's not, but he's comfortable in his own skin.

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Speaker 3: He's really he's the genuine article. He is who he is.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think teammates are going to follow him

607
00:27:01,186 --> 00:27:04,306
Speaker 4: because again the work ethic part, and he talks about

608
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Speaker 4: Mac Jones and Max's influence on it and seeing Mac

609
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Speaker 4: work his freshman year.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm with.

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Speaker 1: You, man.

612
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Speaker 4: He's a really fun guy to study on those point

613
00:27:12,306 --> 00:27:14,546
Speaker 4: guard things make sense because he is a really he's

614
00:27:14,546 --> 00:27:18,346
Speaker 4: a distributor, and in his defense, like he wasn't distributing

615
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Speaker 4: to the same people that maybe mac Intua were. You know,

616
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Speaker 4: there was a drop off in in skill talent at

617
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Speaker 4: Alabama over the last couple of years, and they were young.

618
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Speaker 4: I mean I think they were talented, they were just

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Speaker 4: young guys. He was throwing to a bunch of young

620
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Speaker 4: guys that maybe weren't up to speed. So yeah, I

621
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Speaker 4: think he's, Uh, he's going to be a cool pick.

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Speaker 4: I think he is going to go to Carolina. I'd

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Speaker 4: be at this point, I'd be surprised if he if

624
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Speaker 4: he wasn't, But yeah, he's he's he's a really good player,

625
00:27:39,026 --> 00:27:41,226
Speaker 4: really cool kid. Kind of breaks the mold in a

626
00:27:41,266 --> 00:27:43,906
Speaker 4: lot of different ways. But you spend time around and

627
00:27:43,986 --> 00:27:44,746
Speaker 4: really easy guy.

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Speaker 1: To like, all right, give us your number two, a

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Speaker 1: guy that you love.

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Speaker 4: So I'll I guess we'll start alphabetically with the double

631
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Speaker 4: a's at a time at a bare from from north

632
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Speaker 4: coast to it. So I've been practicing that for like

633
00:27:57,746 --> 00:28:00,426
Speaker 4: five or six months now. He was on Bruce Feldman's

634
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Speaker 4: Freaks List. I'm sure you see Bruce's uh, you know

635
00:28:03,506 --> 00:28:06,026
Speaker 4: article that comes out every year. We we've collaborated with

636
00:28:06,026 --> 00:28:07,706
Speaker 4: brucell a little bit over the last couple of years

637
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Speaker 4: on that list.

638
00:28:08,266 --> 00:28:10,146
Speaker 3: Tried to add a few names for him. But he

639
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Speaker 3: always brings.

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Speaker 4: Guys like at a time of wood to the table

641
00:28:12,666 --> 00:28:13,546
Speaker 4: that I didn't.

642
00:28:13,346 --> 00:28:16,546
Speaker 3: Know a lot about. He's really rare. He's a unique player.

643
00:28:16,586 --> 00:28:19,346
Speaker 4: I mean, you can't throw around like scouts are very

644
00:28:19,746 --> 00:28:22,906
Speaker 4: touchy when it comes to descriptors and adjectives and things

645
00:28:22,946 --> 00:28:23,506
Speaker 4: of that nature.

646
00:28:23,506 --> 00:28:24,786
Speaker 3: But like rare is rare.

647
00:28:25,186 --> 00:28:26,786
Speaker 4: And when you get a two hundred and eighty two

648
00:28:26,786 --> 00:28:30,226
Speaker 4: pound man running four four nine and he's got thirty

649
00:28:30,266 --> 00:28:32,706
Speaker 4: four inch arms, so he's got explosion, he's got length,

650
00:28:32,706 --> 00:28:34,226
Speaker 4: he's got all these things you want to look for.

651
00:28:34,746 --> 00:28:36,946
Speaker 4: But then on tape you see him playing kind of

652
00:28:36,986 --> 00:28:39,786
Speaker 4: a stand up edge position at Northwestern, which that's I

653
00:28:39,826 --> 00:28:42,066
Speaker 4: don't think that's what most teams see him, ask No,

654
00:28:42,466 --> 00:28:44,026
Speaker 4: I think they see him as a three technique.

655
00:28:44,106 --> 00:28:46,266
Speaker 3: So that's where we played him during Senior Bowl week.

656
00:28:46,306 --> 00:28:50,586
Speaker 4: And again in a really small exposure against a bunch

657
00:28:50,586 --> 00:28:53,546
Speaker 4: of first, second, and third round offensive linemen. During that week,

658
00:28:54,066 --> 00:28:56,746
Speaker 4: he was voted the defensive Lineman of the week by

659
00:28:56,826 --> 00:28:59,146
Speaker 4: the guys he played against. That offensive line voted him

660
00:28:59,186 --> 00:29:01,626
Speaker 4: the defensive lineman of the week at a position he'd

661
00:29:01,666 --> 00:29:04,586
Speaker 4: never really played before, which tells you like, wow, what's

662
00:29:04,626 --> 00:29:06,386
Speaker 4: this guy going to be in like two or three years.

663
00:29:06,546 --> 00:29:11,266
Speaker 4: So again, really talented guy. Best football is way ahead

664
00:29:11,306 --> 00:29:13,706
Speaker 4: of him, and he's starting to creep into those you know,

665
00:29:13,746 --> 00:29:16,306
Speaker 4: first round mocks a little bit, but he wasn't anywhere

666
00:29:16,346 --> 00:29:18,026
Speaker 4: near there, you know, a couple months ago. So it's

667
00:29:18,026 --> 00:29:20,146
Speaker 4: cool to see him rise. And again I just I

668
00:29:20,226 --> 00:29:22,306
Speaker 4: just think the tools you're you're gonna hit on it.

669
00:29:22,386 --> 00:29:24,186
Speaker 4: I mean, he works too hard, he's got too much,

670
00:29:24,306 --> 00:29:26,666
Speaker 4: too much talent in his body not to become a

671
00:29:26,706 --> 00:29:27,186
Speaker 4: good player.

672
00:29:27,866 --> 00:29:30,466
Speaker 1: Cool wrinkle there. I believe he's a Kansas City native,

673
00:29:30,506 --> 00:29:33,986
Speaker 1: grew up being a diehard Chiefs fan, and his whole

674
00:29:34,226 --> 00:29:36,346
Speaker 1: thing at the combine. When I spoke to his agent

675
00:29:36,546 --> 00:29:38,786
Speaker 1: was it would mean the world to be drafted in

676
00:29:38,826 --> 00:29:40,786
Speaker 1: the first round in Kansas City. Right now, I have

677
00:29:40,826 --> 00:29:42,946
Speaker 1: him right outside the first round, but who cares what

678
00:29:43,026 --> 00:29:44,466
Speaker 1: I have. A team might take him and I would

679
00:29:44,466 --> 00:29:47,746
Speaker 1: love to see that for him. My next guy, I'm

680
00:29:47,786 --> 00:29:49,786
Speaker 1: gonna go again with a kind of chalk pick here,

681
00:29:50,266 --> 00:29:52,186
Speaker 1: a player that everyone is starting to fall in love

682
00:29:52,226 --> 00:29:55,506
Speaker 1: with and has been watching for years. But I'm going

683
00:29:55,586 --> 00:29:59,706
Speaker 1: with Nolan Smith at a Georgia a pass rusher. One

684
00:29:59,746 --> 00:30:02,466
Speaker 1: of those deals where is he a product of the

685
00:30:02,586 --> 00:30:05,546
Speaker 1: system and there being a thousand NFL players or is

686
00:30:05,546 --> 00:30:08,266
Speaker 1: he a freak show that we overlooked during the college

687
00:30:08,306 --> 00:30:10,946
Speaker 1: season as one of these premier guys because of the

688
00:30:10,946 --> 00:30:13,466
Speaker 1: blowouts and because of what they were doing. This guy

689
00:30:13,546 --> 00:30:16,226
Speaker 1: ran a four to three nine forty as a defensive end.

690
00:30:16,346 --> 00:30:19,266
Speaker 1: He is an amazing young man. Great interview, and I

691
00:30:19,306 --> 00:30:21,106
Speaker 1: go back to the high school stuff, which I always

692
00:30:21,146 --> 00:30:22,826
Speaker 1: try to value and say, Okay, well what happened from

693
00:30:22,826 --> 00:30:25,066
Speaker 1: here to number one high school recruit in the country

694
00:30:25,146 --> 00:30:27,746
Speaker 1: when he decided to go to Georgia, had a wonderful career,

695
00:30:27,866 --> 00:30:30,786
Speaker 1: was sec Newcomer of the Year the whole thing, and

696
00:30:30,826 --> 00:30:33,346
Speaker 1: then you get into a defense with Jordan Davis and

697
00:30:33,426 --> 00:30:36,866
Speaker 1: Nakobe Dean and Jalen Carter and Trayvon Walker and Kwai Walker,

698
00:30:36,906 --> 00:30:38,626
Speaker 1: and the list goes on and on and on, and

699
00:30:38,626 --> 00:30:40,866
Speaker 1: your name kind of gets buried. I think he's worked

700
00:30:40,906 --> 00:30:42,506
Speaker 1: his way up to being a top ten pick based

701
00:30:42,506 --> 00:30:44,426
Speaker 1: on the combine performance and what he's done over the

702
00:30:44,466 --> 00:30:45,266
Speaker 1: course of his career.

703
00:30:46,066 --> 00:30:47,626
Speaker 3: That's a good one, Peter, I love it.

704
00:30:47,706 --> 00:30:50,426
Speaker 4: He was our top rated senior defensive player coming into

705
00:30:50,466 --> 00:30:52,026
Speaker 4: the fall based off as junior tape.

706
00:30:52,026 --> 00:30:53,666
Speaker 3: He was at the top of the board last year.

707
00:30:54,266 --> 00:30:55,426
Speaker 3: Really talented guy, man.

708
00:30:55,666 --> 00:30:59,066
Speaker 4: I'll say this like, I'm not saying he's more talented

709
00:30:59,066 --> 00:31:01,466
Speaker 4: than Jalen Carter, but when we had a bunch of

710
00:31:01,466 --> 00:31:04,506
Speaker 4: Georgia defensive players in last year's Senior Bowl, so you

711
00:31:04,546 --> 00:31:06,946
Speaker 4: know that whole defense was loaded. Obviously, watch a ton

712
00:31:06,986 --> 00:31:09,066
Speaker 4: of tape on that unit. I saw him play live

713
00:31:09,106 --> 00:31:12,946
Speaker 4: a couple of times, and Jalen Carter definitely flashed, but

714
00:31:13,026 --> 00:31:15,906
Speaker 4: Nolan or Nolan Smith flashed more to me than Jail

715
00:31:15,986 --> 00:31:18,906
Speaker 4: really yeah, and so we you know, then when we

716
00:31:18,986 --> 00:31:21,266
Speaker 4: got into the actual you know dig you know, deep

717
00:31:21,306 --> 00:31:23,666
Speaker 4: dive email over the summer. Man, You're like, okay, this

718
00:31:23,666 --> 00:31:26,026
Speaker 4: this guy's super talented. So then I think he was

719
00:31:26,026 --> 00:31:27,506
Speaker 4: gonna run four threes.

720
00:31:27,626 --> 00:31:29,986
Speaker 3: At the combine. I didn't know about that. That's Jim.

721
00:31:30,026 --> 00:31:31,906
Speaker 1: He threw his phone. He was like pissed. He ran

722
00:31:31,946 --> 00:31:33,346
Speaker 1: four three nine. He wanted faster.

723
00:31:33,826 --> 00:31:35,266
Speaker 3: That's insane. That's insane.

724
00:31:35,266 --> 00:31:37,306
Speaker 4: So yeah, Man as an outside linebacker, kind of a

725
00:31:37,346 --> 00:31:38,706
Speaker 4: do it all outside linebacker.

726
00:31:39,106 --> 00:31:40,266
Speaker 3: He's a really cool player.

727
00:31:40,426 --> 00:31:42,706
Speaker 4: And again you talk about talk about the person. I

728
00:31:42,706 --> 00:31:44,826
Speaker 4: got to meet him at the SEC media days back

729
00:31:44,866 --> 00:31:47,666
Speaker 4: in August or July or whatever that was. And again

730
00:31:47,786 --> 00:31:49,986
Speaker 4: just to really put together guy, really really sharp.

731
00:31:50,746 --> 00:31:52,746
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know how you miss on Nolan Smith.

732
00:31:52,786 --> 00:31:53,266
Speaker 3: I really don't.

733
00:31:53,346 --> 00:31:54,426
Speaker 1: All Right, who's your next guy?

734
00:31:55,266 --> 00:31:59,946
Speaker 3: Next guy is Cody Mauck from North Kota State. Love him,

735
00:32:00,066 --> 00:32:03,266
Speaker 3: Love this guy. I'm on record. I've probably spoken too

736
00:32:03,346 --> 00:32:04,906
Speaker 3: much about Cody over.

737
00:32:04,746 --> 00:32:06,906
Speaker 4: The last few months, but uh, you know, to me,

738
00:32:06,946 --> 00:32:09,786
Speaker 4: he's the only five position offensive lineman in this year's draft.

739
00:32:10,146 --> 00:32:11,866
Speaker 4: Played left tackle at North Kota State.

740
00:32:11,906 --> 00:32:12,786
Speaker 3: Made it look easy.

741
00:32:12,906 --> 00:32:15,866
Speaker 4: I mean, his tape was as when you talk about

742
00:32:15,866 --> 00:32:18,026
Speaker 4: what tape's fun to watch, I think Cody Maux's tape

743
00:32:18,066 --> 00:32:19,666
Speaker 4: was as fun as any player in this draft.

744
00:32:19,706 --> 00:32:21,826
Speaker 3: You know, just him just wearing.

745
00:32:21,506 --> 00:32:24,506
Speaker 4: People out at that level comes down here to Tomobile.

746
00:32:24,546 --> 00:32:27,466
Speaker 4: Plays guard, plays center. A lot of teams thought he

747
00:32:27,546 --> 00:32:29,346
Speaker 4: might be able to play that, and now they've seen

748
00:32:29,386 --> 00:32:31,026
Speaker 4: him do it, so it's not you know, scouts always

749
00:32:31,026 --> 00:32:33,746
Speaker 4: talk about quote unquote blind projections. They want to see

750
00:32:33,786 --> 00:32:35,786
Speaker 4: him do it first. Now we've seen Cody play all

751
00:32:35,826 --> 00:32:38,786
Speaker 4: five spots. I think he played left tackle, center, and

752
00:32:38,866 --> 00:32:41,346
Speaker 4: right guard in the Senior Bowl game, so you can

753
00:32:41,386 --> 00:32:43,266
Speaker 4: move around within a game. He's got the brain to

754
00:32:43,306 --> 00:32:46,066
Speaker 4: handle that. And I think what gets lost and like

755
00:32:46,106 --> 00:32:49,106
Speaker 4: the flowing red locks and the no front teeth and

756
00:32:49,146 --> 00:32:49,466
Speaker 4: all that.

757
00:32:49,946 --> 00:32:52,866
Speaker 3: This dude's an unbelievable athlete. He really is.

758
00:32:52,946 --> 00:32:55,626
Speaker 4: Like he's nasty on tape and he wears people out.

759
00:32:56,026 --> 00:32:58,306
Speaker 4: But this dude is such a good athlete. So to me,

760
00:32:58,706 --> 00:33:00,946
Speaker 4: I don't think there's thirty one better players in the draft.

761
00:33:00,946 --> 00:33:02,506
Speaker 4: I know we only have thirty one picks in the

762
00:33:02,506 --> 00:33:04,146
Speaker 4: first round, but I mean if I had a first

763
00:33:04,186 --> 00:33:05,706
Speaker 4: round pick, if I was a GM, I mean, this

764
00:33:05,746 --> 00:33:08,226
Speaker 4: guy would be an easy because wherever you have your

765
00:33:08,306 --> 00:33:10,026
Speaker 4: kneed up front, you're gonna be able to plug him

766
00:33:10,066 --> 00:33:11,506
Speaker 4: in and to me, he's going to be a pro

767
00:33:11,586 --> 00:33:12,346
Speaker 4: Bowl level player.

768
00:33:12,626 --> 00:33:16,426
Speaker 1: I love Cody Maunk flowing red hair and no front teeth,

769
00:33:16,466 --> 00:33:18,586
Speaker 1: and you bury that that's the fifteenth thing you said.

770
00:33:18,666 --> 00:33:21,986
Speaker 1: I love that he's an incredible personality. We'd love to

771
00:33:21,986 --> 00:33:27,586
Speaker 1: get to know him during the senior ball practices. My

772
00:33:27,666 --> 00:33:32,306
Speaker 1: next one again Chalk. You might say, come on, Sregger,

773
00:33:32,346 --> 00:33:33,866
Speaker 1: you're just going with the biggest names, but I love

774
00:33:33,906 --> 00:33:36,306
Speaker 1: a blue chip player. I'm going with b Jean Robinson.

775
00:33:37,266 --> 00:33:39,626
Speaker 1: I've telling you I've been watching this guy for years. Obviously,

776
00:33:40,186 --> 00:33:42,026
Speaker 1: you could spot talent at the college level. There's a

777
00:33:42,026 --> 00:33:43,346
Speaker 1: lot of great running backs, but I feel like he's

778
00:33:43,346 --> 00:33:44,986
Speaker 1: a cut above. I feel like he's the best running

779
00:33:45,026 --> 00:33:48,186
Speaker 1: back to enter a draft since maybe Jonathan Taylor, and

780
00:33:48,266 --> 00:33:51,026
Speaker 1: I think he might be the best running back as

781
00:33:51,026 --> 00:33:54,666
Speaker 1: a rookie since Saquon Like this guy. I watch him.

782
00:33:54,706 --> 00:33:57,066
Speaker 1: It seems like he's floating on air everything I touch him.

783
00:33:57,186 --> 00:33:58,706
Speaker 1: The time he touches the ball, he goes he can

784
00:33:58,746 --> 00:34:01,266
Speaker 1: catch the ball. I know running back is not a

785
00:34:01,266 --> 00:34:03,146
Speaker 1: cool thing in the first round anymore. I have him

786
00:34:03,146 --> 00:34:05,106
Speaker 1: going in the top ten. I think the Eagles take him,

787
00:34:05,146 --> 00:34:07,786
Speaker 1: even though the Eagles never take running I just think

788
00:34:07,826 --> 00:34:10,626
Speaker 1: there are very few blue chip players in this draft.

789
00:34:10,626 --> 00:34:12,306
Speaker 1: And I'm not knocking the draft that you don't watch

790
00:34:12,346 --> 00:34:14,106
Speaker 1: the draft because of the amount of blue chip players.

791
00:34:14,106 --> 00:34:16,106
Speaker 1: You watch the draft because you want to see who

792
00:34:16,106 --> 00:34:18,426
Speaker 1: your team gets. This guy is a blue chip player,

793
00:34:18,466 --> 00:34:20,426
Speaker 1: and if this draft was ten years ago, he might

794
00:34:20,466 --> 00:34:22,706
Speaker 1: go first overall. If this draft was twenty years ago,

795
00:34:23,146 --> 00:34:25,946
Speaker 1: he might go first overall. In this year's draft, he

796
00:34:25,986 --> 00:34:28,786
Speaker 1: might go twentieth because the running back position is so undervalued.

797
00:34:29,186 --> 00:34:32,586
Speaker 1: I love watching him play. The comparisons I make art

798
00:34:32,586 --> 00:34:35,626
Speaker 1: to Saquon, but people have more historical ones. Have you

799
00:34:35,666 --> 00:34:37,346
Speaker 1: had a chance to watch Bijon at all? And what

800
00:34:37,386 --> 00:34:38,546
Speaker 1: is you in your take on his game?

801
00:34:38,866 --> 00:34:40,666
Speaker 3: I agree with everything you just said.

802
00:34:41,426 --> 00:34:43,786
Speaker 4: You know the hard part in this role now is

803
00:34:45,026 --> 00:34:46,866
Speaker 4: you know when you're a scout, when you're working in

804
00:34:46,866 --> 00:34:50,026
Speaker 4: the league. I wasn't on social media, you know, I

805
00:34:50,066 --> 00:34:52,226
Speaker 4: wasn't on the internet. Like you make your own evail

806
00:34:52,226 --> 00:34:54,146
Speaker 4: and then once you feel good about your eveil, then

807
00:34:54,146 --> 00:34:55,986
Speaker 4: you can maybe open it up and see what else

808
00:34:56,026 --> 00:34:57,986
Speaker 4: is out there, what other people are thinking about players.

809
00:34:58,546 --> 00:35:00,826
Speaker 3: But in this role, obviously I live on.

810
00:35:00,746 --> 00:35:04,066
Speaker 4: Social media to a degree, so you see all this

811
00:35:04,106 --> 00:35:06,346
Speaker 4: stuff about Bijeon, right, and you hear about it, you see,

812
00:35:06,626 --> 00:35:08,466
Speaker 4: and then when I actually sat down to watch him,

813
00:35:08,586 --> 00:35:10,506
Speaker 4: is like, wow, this guy is This guy's the truth.

814
00:35:10,546 --> 00:35:13,146
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm with you there. There might not be

815
00:35:13,506 --> 00:35:15,746
Speaker 4: you know, one or two better players in this entire draft.

816
00:35:15,786 --> 00:35:17,546
Speaker 4: He makes it look easy, Peter. I mean, he just

817
00:35:17,626 --> 00:35:19,786
Speaker 4: he makes it look easy. You know, at the highest

818
00:35:19,826 --> 00:35:22,106
Speaker 4: level of college football, the run stuff looks easy. He

819
00:35:22,186 --> 00:35:24,346
Speaker 4: just runs with an ease, He catches it with an ease.

820
00:35:24,866 --> 00:35:26,426
Speaker 4: I think he's going to be a big time, big

821
00:35:26,466 --> 00:35:28,426
Speaker 4: time player. And I'm with you, like ten ten could

822
00:35:28,426 --> 00:35:31,946
Speaker 4: be a cool landing spot because Eagles GM Howie Roseman's

823
00:35:31,986 --> 00:35:34,106
Speaker 4: on record he's saying like he likes a zig when

824
00:35:34,146 --> 00:35:36,586
Speaker 4: other people are zagging, right, And if the league's going

825
00:35:36,626 --> 00:35:39,826
Speaker 4: away from running back right now, you know, in coach Belichick,

826
00:35:40,226 --> 00:35:41,986
Speaker 4: who I worked for for for all those years in

827
00:35:41,986 --> 00:35:45,186
Speaker 4: New England, like they're always looking for market, you know, efficiencies,

828
00:35:45,226 --> 00:35:47,346
Speaker 4: and and if teams are passing on running backs and

829
00:35:47,346 --> 00:35:49,586
Speaker 4: they don't see value there early, but then maybe it's

830
00:35:49,586 --> 00:35:51,426
Speaker 4: going to be one of these gms that that that.

831
00:35:51,586 --> 00:35:52,946
Speaker 3: Is going to do something the opposite.

832
00:35:52,986 --> 00:35:55,226
Speaker 4: So yeah, man, such a such an easy player to

833
00:35:55,386 --> 00:35:57,546
Speaker 4: to like and fun, fun player, fun player.

834
00:35:57,866 --> 00:35:59,866
Speaker 1: Give me your third name. Who's your third guy you

835
00:35:59,946 --> 00:36:00,866
Speaker 1: want us to look out for?

836
00:36:01,506 --> 00:36:04,786
Speaker 4: Little two for one, I'll go with the Brown brothers

837
00:36:04,826 --> 00:36:08,506
Speaker 4: from Illinois. I was gonna go with Sidney Brown, but

838
00:36:08,666 --> 00:36:10,386
Speaker 4: throwing his twin brother Chase as well.

839
00:36:10,906 --> 00:36:13,186
Speaker 3: To me, Sidney's a guy that, frankly, like I was

840
00:36:13,226 --> 00:36:13,746
Speaker 3: too low on.

841
00:36:13,826 --> 00:36:15,786
Speaker 4: There's always a few guys that show up in Mobile

842
00:36:15,826 --> 00:36:17,586
Speaker 4: that are are better players, and I give them credit

843
00:36:17,586 --> 00:36:18,386
Speaker 4: for off the tape.

844
00:36:18,746 --> 00:36:19,266
Speaker 3: I'll say this.

845
00:36:19,306 --> 00:36:21,266
Speaker 4: As soon as those two guys get off the bus.

846
00:36:21,506 --> 00:36:23,626
Speaker 4: They get off the bus from the airport, there's like

847
00:36:23,706 --> 00:36:25,826
Speaker 4: a little registration room where we start, I mean player

848
00:36:25,866 --> 00:36:26,626
Speaker 4: registration days.

849
00:36:26,666 --> 00:36:26,986
Speaker 3: Crazy.

850
00:36:26,986 --> 00:36:30,106
Speaker 4: They got medical stuff, they got psychological testing, they've got

851
00:36:30,186 --> 00:36:31,706
Speaker 4: photo shoots, they've got all this stuff.

852
00:36:32,026 --> 00:36:33,306
Speaker 3: Those two guys get off the bus, and.

853
00:36:33,306 --> 00:36:35,346
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, Peter, like within a minute You're like, Okay,

854
00:36:35,386 --> 00:36:37,946
Speaker 4: these guys are different, like the Brown brothers are different.

855
00:36:38,066 --> 00:36:40,426
Speaker 4: Sydney's a little more outgoing, got got you know, like

856
00:36:40,466 --> 00:36:43,186
Speaker 4: a little more charisma than Chase. Chase is a little

857
00:36:43,186 --> 00:36:46,626
Speaker 4: more a little more laid back. But but there they

858
00:36:46,666 --> 00:36:49,106
Speaker 4: are special dudes. They've they've got a great story. You

859
00:36:49,106 --> 00:36:51,106
Speaker 4: can google it. I'm not going to wear out your listeners,

860
00:36:51,146 --> 00:36:53,026
Speaker 4: but google the story about the Brown brothers and in

861
00:36:53,066 --> 00:36:53,666
Speaker 4: their background.

862
00:36:53,746 --> 00:36:56,106
Speaker 3: Really cool. But Sidney's like this.

863
00:36:56,186 --> 00:36:59,946
Speaker 4: Rocked up Bob Sanders looking strong safety, right, and so

864
00:37:00,066 --> 00:37:01,626
Speaker 4: you want to say, you just want to say box

865
00:37:01,666 --> 00:37:03,746
Speaker 4: safety because of how he's built. He's just like this

866
00:37:04,106 --> 00:37:07,586
Speaker 4: chiseled up specimen. And then you more you watch, you're like, man,

867
00:37:07,626 --> 00:37:09,546
Speaker 4: he's there. He just made a playing coverage and then

868
00:37:09,666 --> 00:37:12,226
Speaker 4: it made another playing coverage. So he ends a season

869
00:37:12,266 --> 00:37:15,066
Speaker 4: with seven interceptions, and he's got some like Johnny on

870
00:37:15,106 --> 00:37:16,626
Speaker 4: the Spot tip ball stuff and.

871
00:37:16,546 --> 00:37:17,426
Speaker 3: He's making plays.

872
00:37:17,786 --> 00:37:19,786
Speaker 4: He comes down here to the Senior Bowl and it's

873
00:37:19,866 --> 00:37:21,946
Speaker 4: kind of like Jalen Petrie last year from Baylor, who

874
00:37:22,026 --> 00:37:24,266
Speaker 4: had a great rookieyear for the Houston Texans in the

875
00:37:24,306 --> 00:37:26,666
Speaker 4: one on one stuff with tight ends and receivers, like

876
00:37:26,706 --> 00:37:29,146
Speaker 4: Sidney was blanketing people and making plays on the ball,

877
00:37:29,226 --> 00:37:31,426
Speaker 4: like he if he's around the ball, he's going to

878
00:37:31,506 --> 00:37:32,026
Speaker 4: finish on it.

879
00:37:32,066 --> 00:37:32,226
Speaker 3: You know.

880
00:37:32,266 --> 00:37:34,306
Speaker 4: Like we talk about players that can't find the ball

881
00:37:34,386 --> 00:37:36,986
Speaker 4: or they can't play the ball, like Sidney's the opposite.

882
00:37:37,026 --> 00:37:39,426
Speaker 4: He's unbelievable. When he was when he's in the reach

883
00:37:39,426 --> 00:37:41,946
Speaker 4: of the ball, so I just think Sidney's a guy

884
00:37:41,986 --> 00:37:44,586
Speaker 4: that and then all the testing, like the Combine stuff

885
00:37:44,626 --> 00:37:48,106
Speaker 4: was ridiculous. Forty inch vertical, eleven foot broad all that

886
00:37:48,426 --> 00:37:49,426
Speaker 4: high end testing stuff.

887
00:37:49,426 --> 00:37:50,666
Speaker 3: So to me, he's a no brainer.

888
00:37:50,866 --> 00:37:53,306
Speaker 4: I think he's worked himself up into somewhere in probably

889
00:37:53,306 --> 00:37:55,826
Speaker 4: the second round range, which probably was he started off

890
00:37:55,826 --> 00:37:58,706
Speaker 4: the process, probably in the fourth and he's just one

891
00:37:58,706 --> 00:38:00,146
Speaker 4: of my favorite dudes. I would want him in my

892
00:38:00,146 --> 00:38:02,186
Speaker 4: locker room. He's going to be infectious, He's going to

893
00:38:02,226 --> 00:38:04,946
Speaker 4: be a captain. Just loves Sidney Brown and and love

894
00:38:05,026 --> 00:38:05,866
Speaker 4: his brother Chase too.

895
00:38:06,426 --> 00:38:10,106
Speaker 1: That's awesome. My fourth name, I'm going with Will McDonald,

896
00:38:10,186 --> 00:38:12,586
Speaker 1: the fourth out of Iowa State. I love this kid.

897
00:38:12,626 --> 00:38:14,826
Speaker 1: I love his story, and I like the fact that

898
00:38:14,866 --> 00:38:17,706
Speaker 1: he competed at the Combine despite a one hundred and

899
00:38:17,706 --> 00:38:20,026
Speaker 1: four fever that he came down with and said, hell,

900
00:38:20,066 --> 00:38:23,066
Speaker 1: I'm going for it. I'm trying to ultimate competitor. Matt

901
00:38:23,106 --> 00:38:25,546
Speaker 1: Campbell speaks the world of him. I've got him going

902
00:38:25,586 --> 00:38:27,266
Speaker 1: in the first round. I don't see many other monks

903
00:38:27,306 --> 00:38:28,946
Speaker 1: having him there. They have him as a second round pick.

904
00:38:28,986 --> 00:38:31,026
Speaker 1: He might be a second round pick. I love what

905
00:38:31,066 --> 00:38:32,826
Speaker 1: he did at Iowa State. I think that he is

906
00:38:32,866 --> 00:38:35,466
Speaker 1: an athletic freak. I also like the way he's made

907
00:38:35,506 --> 00:38:37,666
Speaker 1: up and kind of the way he had And I

908
00:38:37,706 --> 00:38:39,266
Speaker 1: know he was a senior Bowl guy. What'd you think

909
00:38:39,266 --> 00:38:40,546
Speaker 1: of him when you got to meet him.

910
00:38:40,906 --> 00:38:42,666
Speaker 3: Well, you saved me, Peter, you saved me a spot.

911
00:38:42,706 --> 00:38:45,226
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, Will McDonald's go with.

912
00:38:45,186 --> 00:38:48,066
Speaker 1: Him, to go with him as your fourth it's not.

913
00:38:48,266 --> 00:38:50,706
Speaker 4: It's not, but I was hoping maybe you would throw

914
00:38:50,786 --> 00:38:51,106
Speaker 4: him in there.

915
00:38:51,306 --> 00:38:52,186
Speaker 3: I'll say this about Will.

916
00:38:52,226 --> 00:38:53,426
Speaker 4: I think you're right. I think he's going to be

917
00:38:53,426 --> 00:38:55,066
Speaker 4: a first round pick. Talking to guys in the league,

918
00:38:55,106 --> 00:38:57,346
Speaker 4: there's way too much to like. I mean, he's got

919
00:38:57,346 --> 00:38:59,666
Speaker 4: production on paper. He's got thirty some sacks over the

920
00:38:59,746 --> 00:39:01,986
Speaker 4: last three years, and he wasn't really put in a

921
00:39:01,986 --> 00:39:04,186
Speaker 4: position to get sacks in that defense. You know, like

922
00:39:04,226 --> 00:39:06,986
Speaker 4: he was really always tied tight to the tackle. You

923
00:39:07,066 --> 00:39:09,026
Speaker 4: never saw him. You never got to see him like

924
00:39:09,026 --> 00:39:11,146
Speaker 4: really out wide and just like coming off the edge.

925
00:39:11,466 --> 00:39:13,946
Speaker 4: He's probably the bendiest pass rusher in this year's draft.

926
00:39:13,986 --> 00:39:16,306
Speaker 4: He's long, he's put on a bunch of weight through

927
00:39:16,346 --> 00:39:18,066
Speaker 4: the process. He's already put on you know, ten to

928
00:39:18,106 --> 00:39:21,546
Speaker 4: fifteen pounds since the Senior Bowl, So he's trending in the.

929
00:39:21,586 --> 00:39:22,466
Speaker 3: Right direction that way.

930
00:39:22,546 --> 00:39:24,426
Speaker 4: Like you talked about the athletes six to nine high

931
00:39:24,506 --> 00:39:27,026
Speaker 4: jumper in high school, I think the team, the teams

932
00:39:27,146 --> 00:39:29,586
Speaker 4: talking to him, they love the competitor, they love the

933
00:39:29,626 --> 00:39:31,386
Speaker 4: fact that he had a fever and a lot of

934
00:39:31,426 --> 00:39:33,466
Speaker 4: people would have shut themselves down and not done the

935
00:39:33,506 --> 00:39:35,706
Speaker 4: combine thing, and he did it. I think he's helped

936
00:39:35,786 --> 00:39:38,386
Speaker 4: himself as much as anyone through this process. He's talking

937
00:39:38,426 --> 00:39:40,026
Speaker 4: to a head coach the other day. He thinks he's

938
00:39:40,026 --> 00:39:41,426
Speaker 4: going to come out of the shoots next year and

939
00:39:41,426 --> 00:39:43,506
Speaker 4: be a double digit sack guy. And if there's a

940
00:39:43,586 --> 00:39:45,346
Speaker 4: love for him in the league like that, if coaches

941
00:39:45,386 --> 00:39:47,026
Speaker 4: think this guy could be a double digit.

942
00:39:46,786 --> 00:39:48,386
Speaker 3: Sack guy, we didn't have one last year.

943
00:39:48,426 --> 00:39:50,506
Speaker 4: Aiden Hutchinson, I think had the league with rookies and

944
00:39:50,546 --> 00:39:53,186
Speaker 4: he was like eight or nine. If there's teams out

945
00:39:53,226 --> 00:39:54,906
Speaker 4: there that feel like this guy could get ten secks

946
00:39:54,906 --> 00:39:56,626
Speaker 4: as a rookie, he's going to go in the top

947
00:39:56,666 --> 00:39:57,266
Speaker 4: thirty one pick.

948
00:39:57,306 --> 00:39:59,226
Speaker 3: So I think you're going to be right on that.

949
00:39:59,226 --> 00:40:01,066
Speaker 1: Peter keive us another name.

950
00:40:02,466 --> 00:40:03,466
Speaker 3: I would go with.

951
00:40:03,426 --> 00:40:05,746
Speaker 4: Michael Wilson from Stanford a little later down the road.

952
00:40:05,746 --> 00:40:07,506
Speaker 4: It's not a first second round guy like we've been

953
00:40:07,546 --> 00:40:10,026
Speaker 4: talking about. But Michael Wilson's a guy again probably showed

954
00:40:10,106 --> 00:40:11,786
Speaker 4: up a lot better than I would have thought. You know,

955
00:40:11,866 --> 00:40:14,506
Speaker 4: going through the Stanford tape, you know, you really polished,

956
00:40:14,626 --> 00:40:17,426
Speaker 4: You really like the route runner, you really like the hands.

957
00:40:17,746 --> 00:40:19,746
Speaker 4: You love how they talk about him, David Sewan, those

958
00:40:19,746 --> 00:40:23,106
Speaker 4: guys at Stanford like rave about about Michael Wilson. And

959
00:40:23,346 --> 00:40:26,306
Speaker 4: when you said put your favorite group together, I've thought about, Okay,

960
00:40:26,306 --> 00:40:27,866
Speaker 4: if I was putting a team together, who would I

961
00:40:27,866 --> 00:40:29,266
Speaker 4: want in my locker room.

962
00:40:29,266 --> 00:40:30,386
Speaker 3: Michael Wilson's different.

963
00:40:30,986 --> 00:40:33,066
Speaker 4: He reminds me a little of Terry mclaur in that way,

964
00:40:33,146 --> 00:40:34,906
Speaker 4: like when when Terry, when Terry came down to the

965
00:40:34,906 --> 00:40:39,146
Speaker 4: Senior Bowl, I told every team that called that year,

966
00:40:39,226 --> 00:40:41,506
Speaker 4: like they said, Jim, who would you want? And Terry

967
00:40:41,586 --> 00:40:44,106
Speaker 4: was always my first guy because of first and foremost

968
00:40:44,106 --> 00:40:46,466
Speaker 4: the person that Terry was like, and I was on

969
00:40:46,746 --> 00:40:48,346
Speaker 4: I was on records, and I think Terry could be

970
00:40:48,346 --> 00:40:50,306
Speaker 4: the CEO of a Fortune five hundred company when he's

971
00:40:50,346 --> 00:40:53,026
Speaker 4: done playing football. Like that's how that's how intelligent and

972
00:40:53,106 --> 00:40:55,626
Speaker 4: driven the guy is. And Michael Wilson's different too. I

973
00:40:55,666 --> 00:40:58,626
Speaker 4: mean for the wide receiver position. He just gets it.

974
00:40:58,666 --> 00:40:59,906
Speaker 3: When you talk to him, you feel like.

975
00:40:59,906 --> 00:41:01,666
Speaker 4: You're talking to like a thirty year old grown up

976
00:41:01,946 --> 00:41:03,786
Speaker 4: and then coming down here like bring it back. On

977
00:41:03,826 --> 00:41:06,026
Speaker 4: the field, he's he's more explosive than I gave him

978
00:41:06,026 --> 00:41:08,746
Speaker 4: credit for, or plays faster than he tested. You watch

979
00:41:08,746 --> 00:41:11,266
Speaker 4: our tape and he's getting deep on guys he only

980
00:41:11,346 --> 00:41:14,106
Speaker 4: ran four or five or high four fours, whatever it was. Well,

981
00:41:14,106 --> 00:41:16,706
Speaker 4: he consistently got to deep levels of the field against

982
00:41:16,706 --> 00:41:18,226
Speaker 4: guys that ran four to three at and he so

983
00:41:18,666 --> 00:41:21,186
Speaker 4: he plays fast, he plays explosively, explosive.

984
00:41:21,906 --> 00:41:23,026
Speaker 3: In a draft where there's.

985
00:41:22,826 --> 00:41:25,146
Speaker 4: A bunch of five eight, five nine, one hundred and

986
00:41:25,186 --> 00:41:27,546
Speaker 4: seventy pound guys, this guy's six foot two, two hundred

987
00:41:27,546 --> 00:41:30,146
Speaker 4: and fifteen pounds. So yeah, I just don't think you

988
00:41:30,186 --> 00:41:32,546
Speaker 4: can go wrong. He had some injury stuff at Stanford.

989
00:41:32,786 --> 00:41:34,946
Speaker 4: You know, if he stays healthy, I think this guy's

990
00:41:34,946 --> 00:41:36,186
Speaker 4: a really good starter in the league.

991
00:41:36,426 --> 00:41:38,586
Speaker 1: Love it all right, We're gonna leave our last picks,

992
00:41:38,666 --> 00:41:40,506
Speaker 1: and these are the guys that we love and that

993
00:41:40,546 --> 00:41:42,426
Speaker 1: we can't wait to see get drafted. My last one

994
00:41:42,506 --> 00:41:45,786
Speaker 1: is a wide receiver. Was at the Senior Bowl comes

995
00:41:45,786 --> 00:41:48,466
Speaker 1: from a factory of wide receivers of late who all

996
00:41:48,546 --> 00:41:50,826
Speaker 1: the similar build and yet, for whatever reason, Jim, I

997
00:41:50,826 --> 00:41:52,306
Speaker 1: feel like you and I are the only ones on

998
00:41:52,346 --> 00:41:53,826
Speaker 1: the island who have been pushing this guy as a

999
00:41:53,826 --> 00:41:57,786
Speaker 1: first round pick. I'm going with Jonathan Mingo. Love Mingo.

1000
00:41:58,066 --> 00:42:00,386
Speaker 1: Love that he's six foot two, two twenty, Love that

1001
00:42:00,426 --> 00:42:03,506
Speaker 1: he's built like a different wide receiver shape than most

1002
00:42:03,506 --> 00:42:05,466
Speaker 1: of the guys that you're seeing in these first round bocks.

1003
00:42:06,466 --> 00:42:08,466
Speaker 1: I look at the history. I know he was injured,

1004
00:42:08,546 --> 00:42:11,026
Speaker 1: I know he's got issues as far as production at

1005
00:42:11,066 --> 00:42:13,666
Speaker 1: the college level. But I look at aj Brown, I

1006
00:42:13,706 --> 00:42:16,186
Speaker 1: look at Elijah Moore, I look at DK Metcalf, and

1007
00:42:16,226 --> 00:42:18,386
Speaker 1: I look at Ole Miss and I say, here's a

1008
00:42:18,466 --> 00:42:21,746
Speaker 1: six to two, two twenty chiseled wide receiver who has

1009
00:42:21,826 --> 00:42:24,466
Speaker 1: good route running from what I see, and actually has

1010
00:42:24,546 --> 00:42:27,426
Speaker 1: good hands, and yet he's considered some crazy project because

1011
00:42:27,426 --> 00:42:30,306
Speaker 1: he didn't have one hundred catches a game. I'm going

1012
00:42:30,346 --> 00:42:32,906
Speaker 1: with Jonathan Mingo. I know you know the guy really well.

1013
00:42:33,306 --> 00:42:35,186
Speaker 1: What are you hearing on, Mingo? And do you think

1014
00:42:35,186 --> 00:42:36,786
Speaker 1: there's a chance he goes in the first round? As

1015
00:42:36,786 --> 00:42:38,666
Speaker 1: I have it, the Saints taking him at the end

1016
00:42:38,666 --> 00:42:39,346
Speaker 1: of the first round.

1017
00:42:39,666 --> 00:42:41,946
Speaker 4: That would be a cool pick down here on the

1018
00:42:41,946 --> 00:42:44,066
Speaker 4: Gulf Coast. This is the Mobile is a big Saints

1019
00:42:44,066 --> 00:42:45,946
Speaker 4: fan base. I know they would be fired up about

1020
00:42:45,986 --> 00:42:49,266
Speaker 4: an SEC guy there. I'm with Jan Mingo, I'm with

1021
00:42:49,346 --> 00:42:51,426
Speaker 4: you on him. I'll say this, I'll throw another name,

1022
00:42:51,466 --> 00:42:53,626
Speaker 4: Ole Miss name out, Dawson Knox.

1023
00:42:54,146 --> 00:42:54,786
Speaker 3: Dawson Knox.

1024
00:42:54,826 --> 00:42:56,746
Speaker 4: I mean, go back and look at Dawson Knox's college

1025
00:42:56,786 --> 00:42:59,386
Speaker 4: production at ole Miss. So you know, John started out

1026
00:42:59,386 --> 00:43:01,186
Speaker 4: that year hot, and by the time I saw him

1027
00:43:01,186 --> 00:43:03,706
Speaker 4: in mid season against LSU, they were throwing the ball

1028
00:43:03,746 --> 00:43:06,146
Speaker 4: to Malik Heath on the other side because you know,

1029
00:43:06,426 --> 00:43:08,066
Speaker 4: I had done enough early in the season where he

1030
00:43:08,146 --> 00:43:10,466
Speaker 4: was starting to pull coverage his way. So they started

1031
00:43:10,466 --> 00:43:13,066
Speaker 4: feeding Malik Keith on the other side, which is which

1032
00:43:13,106 --> 00:43:15,226
Speaker 4: is smart my whole miss. But but I'm with you.

1033
00:43:15,266 --> 00:43:18,186
Speaker 4: There's a good track record there. This guy is a springy,

1034
00:43:18,186 --> 00:43:20,866
Speaker 4: springy athlete for someone with that size that's six '

1035
00:43:20,866 --> 00:43:22,906
Speaker 4: to two. Again, we're talking about a guy that's like

1036
00:43:22,986 --> 00:43:26,186
Speaker 4: five six inches and forty to fifty pounds heavier than

1037
00:43:26,266 --> 00:43:27,946
Speaker 4: some of these guys being mocked, you.

1038
00:43:27,906 --> 00:43:29,866
Speaker 1: Know, all the other first round guys.

1039
00:43:29,946 --> 00:43:33,146
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, so I'm with you on Mingo. I think

1040
00:43:33,186 --> 00:43:34,786
Speaker 4: he's going to be. You know, we always do the

1041
00:43:34,866 --> 00:43:37,466
Speaker 4: better pro than college player thing. I think he's gonna

1042
00:43:37,506 --> 00:43:39,186
Speaker 4: end up, like a lot of these guys from Ole Missill,

1043
00:43:39,266 --> 00:43:40,866
Speaker 4: end up being a you know, at least production wise,

1044
00:43:40,906 --> 00:43:42,306
Speaker 4: the better pro than he was college player.

1045
00:43:42,546 --> 00:43:44,946
Speaker 1: Who's your last player that you got before we let

1046
00:43:45,026 --> 00:43:46,826
Speaker 1: you go? Give us the last player one of your

1047
00:43:46,826 --> 00:43:48,826
Speaker 1: favorite players in this draft? Who is it?

1048
00:43:48,906 --> 00:43:52,146
Speaker 4: Jim Naggy, Well, it probably goes back to my Seahawks

1049
00:43:52,186 --> 00:43:54,266
Speaker 4: background a little bit, and that'd be Julius Brentz, the

1050
00:43:54,266 --> 00:43:57,746
Speaker 4: corner from Kansas State. Again like at a time, and well,

1051
00:43:57,746 --> 00:43:59,066
Speaker 4: we're talking about rare stuff.

1052
00:43:59,106 --> 00:44:00,586
Speaker 3: This guy's got rare stuff. He's got the.

1053
00:44:00,586 --> 00:44:03,626
Speaker 4: Longest wingspan of any corner since Scout started doing the

1054
00:44:03,666 --> 00:44:04,466
Speaker 4: wingspan thing.

1055
00:44:04,786 --> 00:44:06,146
Speaker 3: That was only like fifteen years ago.

1056
00:44:06,466 --> 00:44:10,026
Speaker 4: Year we didn't always do the wingspanl He's the longest

1057
00:44:10,026 --> 00:44:13,106
Speaker 4: corner on record. He's an eleven six broad jumper, he's

1058
00:44:13,106 --> 00:44:16,266
Speaker 4: a forty two inch vertical jumper. And the difference between

1059
00:44:16,306 --> 00:44:18,466
Speaker 4: him and most sixty three corners, I mean, this guy's

1060
00:44:18,506 --> 00:44:21,946
Speaker 4: got fluid movement skills. And again, Richard Sherman came out.

1061
00:44:21,986 --> 00:44:24,226
Speaker 4: I was way too low on Richard Sherman. I got

1062
00:44:24,226 --> 00:44:26,426
Speaker 4: caught up in some of his movement. I didn't give

1063
00:44:26,466 --> 00:44:29,026
Speaker 4: him enough credit for his high level instincts and ball skills.

1064
00:44:29,466 --> 00:44:32,426
Speaker 4: This guy can move now, man, he is fluid. He

1065
00:44:32,506 --> 00:44:34,906
Speaker 4: had a great week down here. I just think you

1066
00:44:34,906 --> 00:44:37,906
Speaker 4: know the upside of the player, Hardy. How do you

1067
00:44:37,946 --> 00:44:41,466
Speaker 4: throw around a guy that's six foot three with pterodactyl arms,

1068
00:44:41,466 --> 00:44:42,866
Speaker 4: that can that can jump out of the gym.

1069
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Speaker 3: I mean, just put the ball around him. He's gonna

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00:44:44,426 --> 00:44:45,626
Speaker 3: he's gonna find a way to go get it.

1071
00:44:46,066 --> 00:44:48,466
Speaker 1: How many pounds is hey, what's the way at He's.

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00:44:48,306 --> 00:44:51,226
Speaker 4: Two hundred pounds, So we're talking a six three trend corner.

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00:44:52,026 --> 00:44:53,826
Speaker 4: He reminds me of a guy named Ben Saint ju

1074
00:44:53,906 --> 00:44:56,666
Speaker 4: Just who starts for the Washington Commanders right now. Ben

1075
00:44:56,706 --> 00:44:58,586
Speaker 4: went the third round out of Minnesota a few years

1076
00:44:58,626 --> 00:45:00,946
Speaker 4: ago when we had him here, and I think Julie

1077
00:45:00,986 --> 00:45:03,066
Speaker 4: is coming out, you know, probably probably going to be

1078
00:45:03,386 --> 00:45:06,026
Speaker 4: a higher draft pick than than Ben. They're just similar

1079
00:45:06,026 --> 00:45:08,506
Speaker 4: body to guy. So yeah, man, I again my sea

1080
00:45:08,546 --> 00:45:11,906
Speaker 4: hockey thing at corner. Give me some Julius prints.

1081
00:45:12,226 --> 00:45:16,946
Speaker 1: I love it. Jim a couple quick rapid fire questions

1082
00:45:16,946 --> 00:45:20,706
Speaker 1: for you before we let you go. Your favorite player

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00:45:20,826 --> 00:45:24,066
Speaker 1: to ever enter the Senior Bowl and play Senier Bowl Week,

1084
00:45:24,186 --> 00:45:26,546
Speaker 1: as you were the executive director of the past five years,

1085
00:45:26,546 --> 00:45:28,906
Speaker 1: who's the guy that you look back on, You're like, gosh,

1086
00:45:28,906 --> 00:45:30,786
Speaker 1: I was so happy to have that guy down in Mobile.

1087
00:45:31,506 --> 00:45:33,986
Speaker 4: I would say Justin Herbert, And I would say that

1088
00:45:34,026 --> 00:45:36,386
Speaker 4: for a couple of reasons, Like Justin was already going

1089
00:45:36,466 --> 00:45:39,706
Speaker 4: to be at worst a mid first round pick, right

1090
00:45:39,786 --> 00:45:41,826
Speaker 4: Like he wasn't going to get out of the middle

1091
00:45:41,826 --> 00:45:44,546
Speaker 4: of the first round. He still chose to come down here,

1092
00:45:45,026 --> 00:45:48,386
Speaker 4: put himself out there in the greatest part about it

1093
00:45:48,386 --> 00:45:51,426
Speaker 4: with the narrative on Justin was oh, he's introverted. You

1094
00:45:51,466 --> 00:45:53,466
Speaker 4: know what kind of leadership, you know what kind of

1095
00:45:53,466 --> 00:45:56,266
Speaker 4: competitor is this guy? And I think he put all

1096
00:45:56,306 --> 00:45:58,186
Speaker 4: that to rest down here in Mobile. I mean he

1097
00:45:58,226 --> 00:46:01,546
Speaker 4: connected with his teammates again, similar to Bryce Young, who

1098
00:46:01,546 --> 00:46:04,346
Speaker 4: he talked about. I mean, Justin's comfortable in his own skin,

1099
00:46:04,826 --> 00:46:08,666
Speaker 4: he's genuine teammates, all that from him, and I just think,

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00:46:08,826 --> 00:46:10,746
Speaker 4: you know, having him down here and him buying into

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00:46:10,786 --> 00:46:12,266
Speaker 4: what he could get out of Senior Bowl Week.

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Speaker 3: Man, I'll always be indebted to him, and he's.

1103
00:46:14,746 --> 00:46:16,426
Speaker 4: He's one of the guys like he followed up after

1104
00:46:16,466 --> 00:46:18,506
Speaker 4: the game and called me and thanked me for letting him.

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00:46:18,386 --> 00:46:20,426
Speaker 1: Go down, and he was the MVP of that day.

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00:46:20,466 --> 00:46:21,226
Speaker 1: I remember I was like, what.

1107
00:46:21,186 --> 00:46:22,986
Speaker 4: Are you talking about, Like, you don't need to thank me, man,

1108
00:46:22,986 --> 00:46:24,906
Speaker 4: I need to thank you for coming and being a

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00:46:24,946 --> 00:46:25,506
Speaker 4: part of this thing.

1110
00:46:25,706 --> 00:46:28,426
Speaker 1: I'll never forget interviewing him, but right before the draft

1111
00:46:28,466 --> 00:46:31,106
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, it was the COVID year and he

1112
00:46:31,186 --> 00:46:34,306
Speaker 1: had won Rose Bowl MVP, Senior Bowl MVP, and the

1113
00:46:34,426 --> 00:46:38,706
Speaker 1: narrative was he can't lead, he can't win a big game.

1114
00:46:38,946 --> 00:46:42,146
Speaker 1: He can't you know, he's got no alpha skills. He's

1115
00:46:42,186 --> 00:46:43,906
Speaker 1: just a robot that could throw. And I remember asking

1116
00:46:43,986 --> 00:46:45,586
Speaker 1: him about it and he says, I'm going to cut

1117
00:46:45,626 --> 00:46:47,666
Speaker 1: you off right there, respectfully. And you know it's him

1118
00:46:47,666 --> 00:46:50,146
Speaker 1: with the long hair and he's got the look. And

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00:46:50,186 --> 00:46:52,946
Speaker 1: he says, just before even going with that, can you

1120
00:46:53,106 --> 00:46:54,266
Speaker 1: just do me a favor and ask some of my

1121
00:46:54,306 --> 00:46:56,666
Speaker 1: teammates before we even mentioned that kind of commentary. And

1122
00:46:56,746 --> 00:46:58,706
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, that's a good answer. I like that.

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00:46:58,906 --> 00:47:01,866
Speaker 1: So he's one of those quiet, confident guys and their

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00:47:01,986 --> 00:47:04,066
Speaker 1: leaders lead in different ways. And Justin Herbert's not gonna

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00:47:04,066 --> 00:47:05,466
Speaker 1: be the loudest guy. He's not gonna be great on

1126
00:47:05,626 --> 00:47:07,906
Speaker 1: NFL films, Mike up. But I think you saw what

1127
00:47:07,946 --> 00:47:10,466
Speaker 1: we all saw the last few years back when you

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Speaker 1: had him at the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no doubt, no doubt.

1130
00:47:13,986 --> 00:47:16,386
Speaker 4: And I've said this before, but like you watch after

1131
00:47:16,426 --> 00:47:17,986
Speaker 4: the game, there's a shot. There was a shot on

1132
00:47:18,026 --> 00:47:20,106
Speaker 4: the NFL network post game when all the players are

1133
00:47:20,386 --> 00:47:23,186
Speaker 4: coming out and shaking hands and doing stuff. Man, it

1134
00:47:23,306 --> 00:47:27,146
Speaker 4: was both teams big small. I mean it didn't Matt like,

1135
00:47:27,266 --> 00:47:30,626
Speaker 4: everyone kind of was gravitating up to Justin. And for

1136
00:47:30,666 --> 00:47:33,426
Speaker 4: that to materialize over the course of like literally seven

1137
00:47:33,506 --> 00:47:36,306
Speaker 4: days that some of those you know, that respect, even

1138
00:47:36,346 --> 00:47:38,466
Speaker 4: if it was just the respect level, says a lot.

1139
00:47:38,506 --> 00:47:40,826
Speaker 4: But no, man, it's and it's been awesome to watch

1140
00:47:40,866 --> 00:47:43,146
Speaker 4: him his career kind of take off. I can't wait

1141
00:47:43,146 --> 00:47:44,386
Speaker 4: to see what he's going to do this year with

1142
00:47:44,626 --> 00:47:46,106
Speaker 4: Kellen Moore in La.

1143
00:47:46,706 --> 00:47:49,106
Speaker 1: Jim, your words carry so much waiting around the league.

1144
00:47:49,146 --> 00:47:50,826
Speaker 1: You're one of the most respected guys when it comes

1145
00:47:50,866 --> 00:47:53,666
Speaker 1: to not only the NFL Draft, but just personnel and

1146
00:47:53,706 --> 00:47:56,026
Speaker 1: scouting in general. No one's got a bad word to

1147
00:47:56,026 --> 00:47:57,546
Speaker 1: say about you, and you're doing a fine job with

1148
00:47:57,586 --> 00:47:59,866
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. I can't I can't thank you enough

1149
00:47:59,866 --> 00:48:01,866
Speaker 1: for joining the podcast. It was the perfect guest and

1150
00:48:01,906 --> 00:48:04,866
Speaker 1: this is the perfect conversation before the draft about ten

1151
00:48:04,946 --> 00:48:06,426
Speaker 1: days out as we're recording.

1152
00:48:06,026 --> 00:48:08,186
Speaker 3: This, well, Peter, thank you so much.

1153
00:48:08,226 --> 00:48:08,386
Speaker 1: Man.

1154
00:48:08,586 --> 00:48:11,946
Speaker 3: That's really nice. It's awesome to be on the show. Man.

1155
00:48:11,946 --> 00:48:13,586
Speaker 4: I'd love to love to come on again. Maybe we

1156
00:48:13,586 --> 00:48:16,266
Speaker 4: can do it after the draft or something. But love

1157
00:48:16,306 --> 00:48:19,066
Speaker 4: you're working Good Morning Football man, love the show. You

1158
00:48:19,106 --> 00:48:21,826
Speaker 4: guys do an awesome job, so entertaining, such such a

1159
00:48:21,826 --> 00:48:23,066
Speaker 4: great thing to wake up to every day.

1160
00:48:23,066 --> 00:48:24,106
Speaker 3: We got it in the office.

1161
00:48:24,346 --> 00:48:26,626
Speaker 4: Whoever comes into the Senior Bowl office every day, whoever

1162
00:48:26,666 --> 00:48:28,626
Speaker 4: gets in first has to turn the TV on and

1163
00:48:28,666 --> 00:48:30,706
Speaker 4: it's always on. It's always on Good Morning Football. So

1164
00:48:30,746 --> 00:48:32,906
Speaker 4: when we walk in here every day, are you guys

1165
00:48:32,906 --> 00:48:33,506
Speaker 4: are on with us?

1166
00:48:33,906 --> 00:48:37,506
Speaker 1: Take that straight hand and Robin Roberts and George Stepanopolis

1167
00:48:37,546 --> 00:48:39,826
Speaker 1: eat it. Yeah, thank you, I appreciate it. We'll take

1168
00:48:39,826 --> 00:48:43,626
Speaker 1: the viewers in Mobile, Alabama all day long. Jim Naggy,

1169
00:48:43,626 --> 00:48:46,466
Speaker 1: you're awesome, dude. Executive director of the Senior Bowl and

1170
00:48:46,506 --> 00:48:47,986
Speaker 1: as plugged in as anybody with this stuff.

1171
00:48:47,986 --> 00:48:49,626
Speaker 3: Thanks dude, yep, thanks Peter.

1172
00:48:50,106 --> 00:48:51,986
Speaker 1: That was fun. Aaron, I'm gonna ask you, you think we

1173
00:48:51,986 --> 00:48:54,946
Speaker 1: could do this. We could put up a tweet either

1174
00:48:55,066 --> 00:48:58,426
Speaker 1: from my Twitter thing or whatever. But we have a

1175
00:48:58,666 --> 00:49:02,466
Speaker 1: two side by side lists players we love and it's

1176
00:49:02,546 --> 00:49:06,466
Speaker 1: Jim Naggy's five names and it's my five names, and

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00:49:06,906 --> 00:49:09,306
Speaker 1: viewers and listeners can go google all the highlights and on.

1178
00:49:09,346 --> 00:49:10,786
Speaker 1: So maybe we'll do that. Maybe we'll ask for that

1179
00:49:11,146 --> 00:49:15,666
Speaker 1: in addition to getting a good social media clip. Draft

1180
00:49:15,706 --> 00:49:19,026
Speaker 1: is now less than ten days away. I feel pretty good,

1181
00:49:19,146 --> 00:49:21,946
Speaker 1: and I got to tell you I'm excited for it.

1182
00:49:21,946 --> 00:49:25,266
Speaker 1: It's a sports event that has no agenda other than

1183
00:49:25,586 --> 00:49:29,466
Speaker 1: just good Vibes guys getting drafted, and every team and

1184
00:49:29,506 --> 00:49:33,066
Speaker 1: fan base is like feeling positive. Can I tell you

1185
00:49:33,186 --> 00:49:35,866
Speaker 1: that I saw a movie that I think is like

1186
00:49:37,466 --> 00:49:39,226
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know if it's my favorite movie, but

1187
00:49:39,266 --> 00:49:41,106
Speaker 1: like just like good Vibes movie, it felt like a

1188
00:49:41,146 --> 00:49:43,226
Speaker 1: throwback and I have to talk about it, and I

1189
00:49:43,266 --> 00:49:47,666
Speaker 1: know you haven't seen it yet. I loved Air with

1190
00:49:47,826 --> 00:49:50,266
Speaker 1: Damon and Affleck and I went into this thing, dude,

1191
00:49:50,306 --> 00:49:53,586
Speaker 1: like alright, I get it. It's another it's a bite

1192
00:49:53,586 --> 00:49:56,026
Speaker 1: of the apple because the last dance was popular and

1193
00:49:56,026 --> 00:49:57,786
Speaker 1: everyone's Michael Jordan, okay, and now we're gonna do the

1194
00:49:57,826 --> 00:50:00,506
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's Shoe movie. I kind of roll my eyes

1195
00:50:00,546 --> 00:50:03,586
Speaker 1: and affleck. I see him on you know, US Weekly

1196
00:50:03,666 --> 00:50:06,226
Speaker 1: and with j Low, and he's doing one hundred interviews

1197
00:50:06,426 --> 00:50:09,626
Speaker 1: promote this thing, and I'm like, here's the scenario. My

1198
00:50:09,706 --> 00:50:13,986
Speaker 1: wife's best friend, Courtney, was getting married on Saturday, and

1199
00:50:14,666 --> 00:50:17,506
Speaker 1: she's a bride'smaid in the wedding, and it was one

1200
00:50:17,546 --> 00:50:18,826
Speaker 1: of those deals like where it was like I was

1201
00:50:18,866 --> 00:50:21,386
Speaker 1: in my twenties again and I'm not a part of

1202
00:50:21,386 --> 00:50:24,026
Speaker 1: the wedding party. My wife's getting hair and makeup done

1203
00:50:24,106 --> 00:50:28,306
Speaker 1: at ten am, and I had all day and no agenda,

1204
00:50:28,826 --> 00:50:33,906
Speaker 1: nothing to do, I had no responsibilities. So me and

1205
00:50:33,946 --> 00:50:36,826
Speaker 1: another one of the bride'smaid's husbands we went to see

1206
00:50:36,826 --> 00:50:38,826
Speaker 1: this movie. And I come in at ten thirty in

1207
00:50:38,866 --> 00:50:40,866
Speaker 1: the morning to a movie theater. This is like the

1208
00:50:40,906 --> 00:50:43,786
Speaker 1: greatest day you can imagine for a guy who's got

1209
00:50:43,786 --> 00:50:45,466
Speaker 1: a six week old child at home and a six

1210
00:50:45,586 --> 00:50:47,826
Speaker 1: year old child who's keeping me up at all hours,

1211
00:50:47,866 --> 00:50:51,586
Speaker 1: Like get to go to this movie. And from the

1212
00:50:51,706 --> 00:50:55,786
Speaker 1: very start where it starts with dire straits money for

1213
00:50:55,866 --> 00:50:58,626
Speaker 1: Nothing as the opening song. It is a just a

1214
00:50:58,746 --> 00:51:01,706
Speaker 1: soundtrack from nineteen eighty four of hits. I don't know

1215
00:51:01,746 --> 00:51:04,786
Speaker 1: how Amazon had the budget for this thing. They had

1216
00:51:05,626 --> 00:51:10,146
Speaker 1: born in the US. They have like, you know, massive

1217
00:51:10,226 --> 00:51:13,226
Speaker 1: hits from start to finish, and they go with the

1218
00:51:13,266 --> 00:51:15,746
Speaker 1: movie and every song has a link to the story

1219
00:51:16,066 --> 00:51:18,826
Speaker 1: and the story itself. There was no romance in the movie.

1220
00:51:18,906 --> 00:51:21,626
Speaker 1: There were no politics in the movie. It was you know,

1221
00:51:21,666 --> 00:51:25,426
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for this little upstart, the corporate behemoth Nike,

1222
00:51:25,866 --> 00:51:28,546
Speaker 1: Like that's how you come up. You're like, oh, capitalism rules.

1223
00:51:28,586 --> 00:51:31,346
Speaker 1: At the end, like it's the it's a fun movie

1224
00:51:31,386 --> 00:51:35,666
Speaker 1: and it's just soaked in nostalgia and the way that

1225
00:51:36,186 --> 00:51:39,346
Speaker 1: you know, Ben Affleck plays Phil Knight. I've read Shoe Dog.

1226
00:51:39,426 --> 00:51:42,026
Speaker 1: I have such great reverence for everything about Phil Knight,

1227
00:51:42,026 --> 00:51:44,746
Speaker 1: and then Affleck comes in and kind of takes the

1228
00:51:44,746 --> 00:51:46,546
Speaker 1: piss out of them but kind of doesn't and it's

1229
00:51:46,586 --> 00:51:49,426
Speaker 1: just you appreciate all of it. If you are a

1230
00:51:49,466 --> 00:51:54,106
Speaker 1: sports movie fan. It is the most low investment, low

1231
00:51:54,146 --> 00:51:57,666
Speaker 1: stakes movie you can watch. There is a ninety minute

1232
00:51:57,706 --> 00:52:00,506
Speaker 1: movie that you can watch, enjoy, be just dripped in

1233
00:52:00,546 --> 00:52:04,346
Speaker 1: eighties nostalgia. If you love hoops, if you love you

1234
00:52:04,386 --> 00:52:07,666
Speaker 1: know the story of how Nike beat out Adidas, end

1235
00:52:08,266 --> 00:52:11,146
Speaker 1: and converse to get Michael Jordan. I can never imagine

1236
00:52:11,146 --> 00:52:13,346
Speaker 1: this being a feature film. I absolutely loved it.

1237
00:52:13,626 --> 00:52:16,066
Speaker 2: Oh man, well, I'm excited to see it. It reminds

1238
00:52:16,106 --> 00:52:19,386
Speaker 2: me a little bit of a Showtime where they have

1239
00:52:19,466 --> 00:52:23,106
Speaker 2: the whole storyline in Showtime about Magic Johnson, winning Time,

1240
00:52:23,306 --> 00:52:27,346
Speaker 2: Winning Time, about the Showtime. Yeah, yeah, yeah, winning Time.

1241
00:52:28,226 --> 00:52:32,226
Speaker 1: It's funny because in that one, it's like, here's Jerry West,

1242
00:52:32,426 --> 00:52:37,226
Speaker 1: Here's Magic Johnson, and their portrayals are at times they

1243
00:52:37,226 --> 00:52:40,546
Speaker 1: weren't favorable, and they certainly weren't well liked by the subjects.

1244
00:52:41,146 --> 00:52:43,106
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan has one word in this movie. You don't

1245
00:52:43,106 --> 00:52:46,666
Speaker 1: see his face. It's all about his mother. It's all

1246
00:52:46,706 --> 00:52:51,226
Speaker 1: about Sonny Vaccaro, who was the Nike basketball guy. And

1247
00:52:51,266 --> 00:52:56,386
Speaker 1: then I'll tell you put Damon Bateman an Affleck in

1248
00:52:56,426 --> 00:53:00,306
Speaker 1: a movie. I'm seeing it. I'm seeing it's Jason Bateman,

1249
00:53:00,306 --> 00:53:02,506
Speaker 1: not the greatest, like third man in on a movie

1250
00:53:02,746 --> 00:53:05,546
Speaker 1: I've never seen Ozark. I love Teen Wolf too, like

1251
00:53:05,586 --> 00:53:07,786
Speaker 1: I have a lot of heart for Bateman. I love

1252
00:53:07,906 --> 00:53:11,306
Speaker 1: Arrested development, but like he is perfectly casted in this movie,

1253
00:53:11,506 --> 00:53:15,426
Speaker 1: and Viola Davis is perfectly casted in this movie. Can

1254
00:53:15,426 --> 00:53:17,146
Speaker 1: you do me a favorite? Can you see it this

1255
00:53:17,226 --> 00:53:19,266
Speaker 1: week so we could talk about it next week? Yeah?

1256
00:53:19,346 --> 00:53:21,626
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to see that in Mario, so that'll

1257
00:53:21,666 --> 00:53:23,506
Speaker 2: take probably total of three hours, right.

1258
00:53:24,506 --> 00:53:27,146
Speaker 1: Both just like they're like fast food and I don't

1259
00:53:27,146 --> 00:53:29,666
Speaker 1: even know when Amazon's putting it on Amazon Prime, Amazon

1260
00:53:29,746 --> 00:53:32,706
Speaker 1: Prime but partner of the NFL, by the way, probably soon.

1261
00:53:32,786 --> 00:53:34,706
Speaker 1: It's you don't have to rush to the theater. But

1262
00:53:34,866 --> 00:53:38,666
Speaker 1: like when they start with ah wan my MTV, I'm like,

1263
00:53:38,666 --> 00:53:40,866
Speaker 1: all right, I'm in, let's go. And I don't know.

1264
00:53:40,946 --> 00:53:42,706
Speaker 1: The movie was awesome. I loved it, So there you go.

1265
00:53:42,746 --> 00:53:46,906
Speaker 1: My movie recommendation. Air. The NFL Draft is almost here.

1266
00:53:47,066 --> 00:53:50,746
Speaker 1: Everybody tune in to watch. Please watch the NFL Network version.

1267
00:53:50,786 --> 00:53:53,226
Speaker 1: I respect mel kiper, I like Rees Davis. I don't

1268
00:53:53,226 --> 00:53:56,026
Speaker 1: know who else is on their crew, but I'm on

1269
00:53:56,066 --> 00:53:59,066
Speaker 1: the NFL network, So please watch NFL Network. We've got

1270
00:53:59,066 --> 00:54:01,746
Speaker 1: a really good group and for three days, I would

1271
00:54:01,746 --> 00:54:03,906
Speaker 1: appreciate the viewership. You listen to my podcast, you might

1272
00:54:03,946 --> 00:54:07,626
Speaker 1: as well watch us on TV. It's US DESPN we're partners,

1273
00:54:07,626 --> 00:54:09,786
Speaker 1: but truly, I'm asking you to watch NFL Network. It

1274
00:54:09,826 --> 00:54:12,866
Speaker 1: does us all a lot of good and I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: It's in Kansas City. It's one of my favorite cities

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Speaker 1: in the country. It's one of my favorite football towns. Aaron,

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining me on this podcast. We'll be

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Speaker 1: back next week. I don't know what we're doing exactly.

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Speaker 1: I actually think we're gonna record another one this week.

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Speaker 1: We'll see, and it's gonna be lightning fast and a quick,

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Speaker 1: rapid fire mock draft with someone that I really respect,

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Speaker 1: and I think it'll be really good. But until then,

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Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Schrager. Thank you to the iHeart folks,

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Speaker 1: Jason English and the House. As always, Aaron, thanks to you,

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Speaker 1: thanks to everyone at the NFL Network, and let's go

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Speaker 1: Draft season, best time of year. The Season with Peter

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Speaker 1: Schrager is a production of the NFL well and partnership

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.