1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: If you're trying to be more resilient, I think it's 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: training how we perceive stress and challenge. Where can you 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: find those moments to try to love challenge, know that 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: deep down, yeah this sucks right now, and something in 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: this is beautiful. It's gonna come from this. I'm going 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,159 Speaker 1: to learn something from this. It's going to help me 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,159 Speaker 1: figure it out. Or I hate it so much that 8 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pivot and I'm going to reorganize my life 9 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: because this isn't working for me anymore. 10 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: What is going on Hurdler's Emily Body Here. 11 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 3: You are listening into another installment of Hurdle Moment from Hurdle, 12 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 3: a wellness focused podcast where I connect with everyone from 13 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 3: your favorite athletes, the top experts and industry CEOs about 14 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 3: their highest highs, toughest moments, and everything in between. We 15 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 3: all go through hurdles in life, and my goal through 16 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 3: these discussions is to empower you to better navigate yours 17 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 3: and move with intention so that you can stride towards 18 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 3: your own big potential and of course have some fun 19 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 3: along the way. For today's episode, I am bringing a 20 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 3: conversation to the Forefront, which I really really loved with 21 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 3: Courtney Thompson. 22 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: She is a two time Olympian. 23 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 3: She's also a mindset coach, and we are discussing the 24 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 3: importance of getting intentionally uncomfortable and learning to embrace when 25 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 3: a situation may be difficult or challenging. We talk through 26 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 3: how to embrace these difficult situations and strategies, helpful tools 27 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 3: tricks to get better with navigating these hurdle moments over time. 28 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 3: We also talk about how to get to a place 29 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 3: where you may love a challenge, as well as go 30 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 3: over different resiliency building tips that can help you respond 31 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 3: to setbacks as they come. I would say for a 32 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 3: podcast that is called Hurdle, this episode is just as 33 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 3: about as appropriate as it gets. 34 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 2: Again, I loved this conversation with Courtney. 35 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 3: We first met back in June through our mutual friends 36 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 3: at under Armor. She was on a panel that I hosted, 37 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 3: and I knew from that interaction that I had to 38 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 3: bring her expertise on over here to the show. Now, 39 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 3: some housekeeping, I want to give you twenty four hours. 40 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 3: I'm giving you twenty four hours to ask me any 41 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 3: and all of your marathon training questions. That's right, anyone who. 42 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: May be gearing up for a fall marathon. 43 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 3: I get tons of questions in my DMS in my 44 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 3: email inbox all the time, and I am going to 45 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 3: answer all of them with the help of my coach 46 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 3: for the London Marathon. 47 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: Her name is Rebecca Stowe. Now here's the catch. 48 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 3: In order for us to answer them, You're going to 49 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 3: have to submit a listener question. 50 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 2: If you've been. 51 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 3: Thinking about it, if you've been hesitant on it, I 52 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 3: get it, but now is the time let us help you. 53 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 3: Rebecca and I are going to be sitting down tomorrow, 54 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 3: which means that if you are listening to this in 55 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 3: real time and you've got a question for me, I'm 56 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 3: all ears, click on over to the show notes and 57 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 3: submit a listener question. 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Every little bit means the world to me. 69 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: That is it for now. 70 00:03:51,240 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 3: With that, let's get to hurdling. 71 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: Today. 72 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 3: I am sitting down with Mindset coach Coritney Thompson. 73 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: How you doing today? 74 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: I'm great. I'm pretty fired up to be here. So 75 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: thanks for having me. 76 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 3: I know, so grateful to under Armour for bringing us 77 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 3: together earlier. I was gonna say, like earlier, this summer 78 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 3: it feels like just yesterday, but also like ages ago. 79 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 3: I know you travel a fair amount for what you do. 80 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 3: Is this summer flying by for you or what? 81 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: Yes, it's been insane, you know when you like, you 82 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: get excited about all the things and then you say 83 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: yes a thousand times and then you're in it. 84 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 4: You're like, what have I done? 85 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: So they were all very fun, but yeah, pretty happy 86 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: to be home for a few weeks. I know, you 87 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: know the road life, so it's a blessing and a 88 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: curse sometimes. 89 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 2: I know the road life. 90 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 3: I also am going to throw into the world here 91 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 3: that you are a two time Olympian as well. The 92 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 3: journey from being a full time athlete to being a 93 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 3: mindset coach kind of go hand in hand. So give 94 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 3: us a little bit of insight as to how you 95 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 3: got into this work and why you feel like it's 96 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 3: so important. 97 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, I feel really grateful. I competed on the 98 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: USA team Interville ball for ten years and got to 99 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: go to two Olympics, and we actually lost in the 100 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: gold medal match in my first Olympics in London twenty twelve, 101 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: which relatively in the sports world, is a pretty painful experience. 102 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: And as my boss likes to say, pain causes change, 103 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: and at that point, we were really willing to do 104 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: whatever it took to kind of get to the next level. 105 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: And fortunately for me and our team, we started working 106 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: with one of the leading performance psychologists, doctor Michael Gervai, 107 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: who I now work for with Finding Mastery, And so 108 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: we present to companies and athletes and coaches, you know, 109 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: the psychology around how we can condition our mind to 110 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: handle stress and challenge, the hopes that we can create 111 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: a connected culture so that when where you know, things 112 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: get tough, we can rely on each other. And so 113 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: we actually present with psychologists and olympians. So my, my, 114 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: my lens like where I'm coming from when I speak 115 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: and when I fortunate to work with companies is like, Man, 116 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: I've wrestled with this on the world stage, you know, 117 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: because it's one thing to talk about placing your attention 118 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: on what's productive when you're on a podcast or you're 119 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: a happy hour or you know, you're sitting in a 120 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: conference room. It's a whole nother deal when you're fighting 121 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: for an Olympic medal and you're trying to you know, 122 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: and be intentional with your thoughts and your emotions and 123 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: how you channel those things. And it's no different than 124 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: what we do every day when we are facing unknowns 125 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: and challenge, which if you're trying to be your best, 126 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: everyone is in it's like how can we condition our minds? 127 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: So why I feel passionate about it is because it 128 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: made a profound difference for me, not only in performing 129 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: you know, at the Olympics, but in my personal life, 130 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: connecting with other people, with my family. And I think 131 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: we don't talk about it enough. You know, certainly you're 132 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: doing great, great at this and all of these there's 133 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: so much more to the human experience than craft tech, 134 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: you know, technique and strategy and training our body. There's 135 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: like so much more that we haven't even understood as 136 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: far as the science goes, so to me, it's really fun. 137 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 138 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 3: When you think now about how you had felt and 139 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 3: the thoughts that you had back in twenty twelve, are. 140 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 2: You kind of thrown for a loop. 141 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 3: Comparing the know how and the knowledge and the tools 142 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 3: and the tips and the strategies that you have at 143 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 3: this point to where you were then. 144 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm laughing. Yeah, I just wish I knew these. 145 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: I wish I knew that you could train your mind 146 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: in the same way that you train everything else a 147 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: long time ago. And another reason we like working with 148 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: young athletes and coaches and everyone because it's like this mystery, 149 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: but we can actually train it day to day, you know. 150 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: And even something like confidence, where I don't know about 151 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: for you, but I grew up with people like, hey, 152 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: go'll be confident, you know, which is easy when you 153 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: feel confident, and when you don't, you're like, what the 154 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: hell does that mean? Like what do I anchor to 155 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: in this moment? So there's like that whole swath of 156 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: like skills that you can train, And the other part 157 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: of it, I think is just normalizing that our brains 158 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: are amazing and they're so inconvenient at times, and typically, 159 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: as you know we've talked about this, in the moments 160 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: that we care about the most are the ones that 161 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: our brain tends to kind of sabotage our efforts. 162 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 4: So I just wish I. 163 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: Was nicer to myself when I was younger and knowing like, hey, 164 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: this is how we're wired, and here's some things you 165 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: can do about it. 166 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 167 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 3: I so many people listening to this think of and know, well, 168 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 3: when you train a certain muscle, maybe you'll see hypertrophy, 169 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 3: you'll see it growing, you'll see the results like that. 170 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 3: When it comes to training the mind, how can we 171 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 3: gauge quote unquote success? 172 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 4: Oh man, I. 173 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: Love this question, and it's so hard. It's also such 174 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: a Western thought, right, how do we quantify this? And 175 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: I'm in it with you because I asked the same thing. 176 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: I was like, I remember sending down to meditate, and 177 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: I was like, what the hell am I doing? I 178 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: could be doing so many other things to be productive 179 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: right now? You know, honestly, to me, there's a moment 180 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: you know, when you're under stress or challenge or something 181 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: that you've previously experienced as hard to show up fully 182 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: in and you kind of have this like pause and 183 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: almost grin of like Ooh, I'm in it, and the 184 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: awareness that you have in that moment to go, oh, 185 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: this is the thing and I can I can choose 186 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: something different now. To me, that is the first sign 187 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: that I've felt aware of when I started trading mental 188 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: skills and I was like, I'm relating to this thought 189 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: or I'm relating to this external situation way differently because 190 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: I've invested in kind of this inner landscape that and 191 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: you probably just get pissed off a little bit later, 192 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: like you have more capacity to be yourself in a 193 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: moment and then go oh, I'm like pretty angry right 194 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 1: now versus the complete being in the reaction of it. 195 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 1: For me, that's how it's that's how it's really shown up. 196 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 4: I could go on, but I'll. 197 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 3: Just yeah, less reactive. That's a really that's a really 198 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 3: good takeaway there. What I want to home in on 199 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 3: with you, and we're kind of leading that way, is 200 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 3: this idea of getting uncomfortable and not just doing it 201 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 3: because we are put in situations that make us feel uncomfortable, 202 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 3: but choosing to get uncomfortable and why that can be important. 203 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 3: So why don't we kick that discussion off, maybe by 204 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 3: defining what it means to get uncomfortable, right. 205 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I could geek out on this for a while, 206 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: so you have to cut me off if necessary. But 207 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 1: I think for better for worse, like, all of these 208 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: skills are essentially leading us to to be able to 209 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: trust ourselves. And trust starts with us and can we 210 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: trust ourselves not that the outcome is going to be perfect, 211 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: but that we can adjust no matter what. And to me, 212 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: I think that's the ultimate trust. So to get uncomfortable 213 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: is either mentally, physically or emotionally, get into an edge 214 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: that challenges us to show up in alignment. That is 215 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: how I would define getting uncomfortable, And for better or 216 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: for worse, the only way to build our capacity to 217 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: trust ourselves to like adjust and to be nimble and 218 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: to say, wow, this is inconvenient and uncomfortable, but I'm okay. 219 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: It's to be in the arena of that. And so 220 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: this is where I think mental skills come in because 221 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: it's like when we are in that, I think the 222 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: first order of business is how do we perceive the moment, 223 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 1: which often dictates our entire experience. So is it like, oh, 224 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: this is great, I'm in this stress. This is going 225 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: to help me or is it? Oh shit, I hate this, 226 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 1: Get me out of this. I'm not ready for this, 227 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: I'm not good enough, you know, self doubt and all 228 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: those things. And as you know very well, when we 229 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: resist something, it tends to grow. And so there's this 230 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: like when we can be a little bit like water 231 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: and there's like an acceptance to this and then a shift, 232 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: I think is when we start to see our ability 233 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: to build capacity there. This is all sounding very vague. 234 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: Is this making sense? 235 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 2: No, it's totally making sense. 236 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 3: The follow up question to that, though, is can't it 237 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 3: be both can't you feel as though, Okay, shoot, I'm scared, 238 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 3: I'm nervous what's going on here? But also recognize it 239 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 3: as an opportunity to grow? 240 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, well that's that's exactly it. 241 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 4: I think you hit it. 242 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: It's like when we have those physical sensations of your 243 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 1: heart rate or that pit in your stomach, or your 244 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: palms get sweaty, or you wake up at four I 245 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: am and the first thought is about that meeting at 246 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: three pm? What do you do with that? So that's 247 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: what I mean by perceiving the moment. Is it going like, oh, Okay, 248 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: this is my This is my body signaling that I 249 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: care about this a lot, and I know that when 250 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: I care about something, it's often going to be harder 251 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: for me to show up full. You know, that's our 252 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: brain's like, oh, this could be a threat, and when 253 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: we can switch that to wow, this is like beautiful 254 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: and amazing and I'm you know, the phrase I like 255 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: to use is like I'm in it, and it's often 256 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: me like, if you guys can see me, I'm like 257 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: punching the air and I'll call my friend and my coworker. 258 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I'm in it right now. I'm so uncomfortable, 259 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: but it's meaningful to me, and I know what's on 260 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: the other side. And you know your original question. I 261 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 1: think that is the gift that sports can give us 262 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: is that almost daily you are facing an unknown and 263 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: you're in this like physical, emotional and mental challenge, and 264 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: you know what's on the other side of staying in 265 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: a really hard moment. Because we don't get the we 266 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: don't earn the right to throw up our hands and say, 267 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: oh my god, we did that. I didn't think I 268 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: could do that. If we don't have the capacity to 269 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 1: stay in discomfort over time, and so I'm gonna say 270 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: one more thing at the risk of talking to I 271 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: think the spectrum that we're hitting on is like to 272 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: be really to pursue your best I think there is 273 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: a time for an override where I'm tired. I'm gonna 274 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: go run anyway because it's meaningful to me, because there's value, 275 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: because I care so much. This is a necessary step, 276 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: But damn it, I do not want to get out 277 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: of the door today. 278 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 4: You know, most most of us have been in that. 279 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: And the other side of of that is, do I 280 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: really have a true, clear knowing of what's true for me? 281 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: Of Wow, I'm really fatigued, and this is meaningful. Today's 282 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: the day I'm going to rest or. Today is the day. No, 283 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: I am going to choose that override. But if we're 284 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: not aware of our experience or our selves, we don't we 285 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: can't be intentional with those two things. And I think 286 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: if we do one or the other too much, we're 287 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: missing a lot. 288 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 2: That idea the override is super interesting. 289 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 3: And also everything you're saying here is really aligning with 290 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 3: the idea of knowing your why, right, because without knowing 291 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 3: your why, then you won't be able to dig in 292 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 3: to that override. 293 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: Yes, one hundred percent. And it's it's such a powerful 294 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: tool to know in goal setting what is the meaning 295 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: behind this goal and then how do we stay connected 296 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: to it day to day. 297 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 3: Going back to this concept of that it is important 298 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 3: to get intentionally uncomfortable. When I say that phrase, someone's like, well, like, 299 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 3: what does that mean? 300 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: Like what am I supposed to do? Like where am 301 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 2: I supposed to put myself? 302 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 3: What situations should I be seeking this comfortability? 303 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 2: What do you say to that? 304 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: Oh? Man, this is we can get creative with this 305 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: because it's like, if you want to get strong in 306 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: the weight room, you're gonna go to the weight room 307 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: and it's gonna hurt, it's gonna be uncomfortable. But again 308 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: that's we're like inviting stress in so that we grow, 309 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: and when we're training the inner experience training trust, it's 310 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: the same. So I could offer for some people it 311 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: might be physical I'm going to run three miles. I've 312 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: never done that before. I'm going to run three miles 313 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: without stopping. You know, we're ten or for you eighty five, 314 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: whatever that might be, Or it could be an emotional 315 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: situation I'm gonna have a really hard conversation with someone 316 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: I care about. And the key is like when we 317 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: feel the discomfort to not run from it or shut down, 318 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: Like can we just stay in it, stay with it 319 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: a little longer with curiosity, because it's then that we 320 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: learn something. And even if I set out to run 321 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: three miles or to have a hard combo with you, 322 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: and halfway in it, I completely fail and I stop 323 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: or I give up. 324 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 4: You know, what do we do with that? Can I 325 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 4: learn from it? Okay? What could I do next time? 326 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: And so we're gaining skills only because we're in the arena, 327 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: you know. 328 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 4: In some other fun. 329 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: Ways is like can you can you give a compliment 330 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: to a stranger? And again like don't say it and 331 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: run away, Like stay in it. And there's this very 332 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: awkward moment where you're standing staring at a stranger. They're 333 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: assessing your intent, your intention. It's just like this weird moment. 334 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: What do you do with it? 335 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 4: You know? 336 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: Even like asking for a disc out at a store 337 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: for no reason, or you know, like introducing yourself to 338 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: a stranger. For some people, that's really challenging. So anytime 339 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: we kind of have that response of like, oh I 340 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: want to get out of here, or that heart rate 341 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,959 Speaker 1: comes up, it's a really good place to kind of 342 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: like just hang in there. 343 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,959 Speaker 3: What happens to the person that finds themselves in that 344 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 3: headspace of oh, I want to get out of here 345 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 3: each and every time? How do they ease into getting 346 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 3: intentionally uncomfortable? 347 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 4: Great question. 348 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: I think a lot of it is compassion, and there's 349 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: no softness to that. It's really well, there is some softness, 350 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: but I mean, I mean that in a very when 351 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: we can have great self talk and to be able 352 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: to own our wins, we are able to stay in 353 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: something that's difficult longer. And that is really edgy. So 354 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: just if it's one, if it's one conversation and then 355 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: it takes a long time to recover, you know, it's 356 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: like going to the gym. If you haven't been in 357 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: the gym for two years and you try to go 358 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: squat every single day, going to get crushed. But if 359 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: you go once and then I recover for three days 360 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: and then I go again, like it's that steady drip 361 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: of it. And I think when it's emotional or mental, 362 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: it's really can I give myself props for trying, and 363 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: then can I learn what was hard and can I 364 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: have compassion in kind of all right, what's next? 365 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 4: What can I do? 366 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 3: Along that journey of embracing uncomfortable situations? There are for 367 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 3: sure going to be setbacks, right or, of course on 368 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 3: the show, as we call them hurdles. So let's now 369 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 3: transition into talking a little bit about how you can 370 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 3: build that resiliency and how we can better respond to 371 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 3: those setbacks. 372 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, I mean you said it. 373 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: Your whole podcast is called this, but there's no scenario 374 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: in life where stress and challenge would completely go away. 375 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: And for most of us, if you're listening to this podcast, 376 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: you are probably scratching and klng to find ways to 377 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: be a better version of yourself. And so if let's 378 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: say got easy or whatever, you would go, you would 379 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: go find challenge elsewhere. And so so much of resilience 380 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: is how we relate to challenge. And even you know, 381 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: when we talk about meditating, it's not like the actual 382 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: thought that's the problem, it's what we do with it. 383 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: And so if you're trying to be more resilient, I 384 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 1: think it's training how we perceive stress and challenge. Where 385 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: can you find those moments to try to love challenge, 386 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: know that deep down, yeah this sucks right now, and 387 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: something in this is beautiful is going to come from this. 388 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: I'm going to learn something from this. It's going to 389 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: help me figure it out, or I hate it so 390 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: much that I'm gonna pivot and I'm going to reorganize 391 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: my life because this isn't working for me anymore. 392 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 3: I love that you stressed the word and like, it 393 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 3: can be both right, it can be hard, but you 394 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 3: can still do. 395 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 4: It, yes, one hundred percent. 396 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: And I think that's the actual skill, is like reframing 397 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: and being able to hold the duality of something and say, yes, 398 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: this is shitty and this is the opportunity. And I 399 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 1: think when we again, when we resist the hard part 400 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: or we ignore it, or it's like yeah, I love pandemics, 401 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: this is awesome. No one, you know, no one's saying that. 402 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: You're saying, yeah, it's hard, and here's here's the opportunity, 403 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: and we become more nimble. We're just we're basically learning 404 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: how to address better. 405 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 3: Now what happens when the hurdles keep coming? Because I 406 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 3: feel as though we're talking about resiliency being a muscle 407 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 3: that we need to strengthen. But sometimes even the most 408 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 3: resilient people are tested time and time and time again, 409 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 3: and sometimes it's in that experience that it can be 410 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 3: understandably easy to lose one's way. 411 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 2: So what happens when those hurdles pile up? 412 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 3: How can we strengthen the resiliency muscle to that next levels? 413 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: A great question. I think I would point to recovery. 414 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: You know. It's like, you're right, there's only so much 415 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: stress and capacity that we can hold. And part of 416 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: being gritty and being tough is being able to understand 417 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,239 Speaker 1: how and when and what works for you as far 418 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: as recovery. And often, at least in the work I do, 419 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: we work with corporations and they're like, well, I'm gonna 420 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: recover in April. When I go to Hawaii for a week, 421 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 1: I'm gonna sleep in, I'm gonna walk, I'm gonna you know. 422 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: And so this isn't always like, hey, you got to 423 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: go to the gym two hours a day. But can 424 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: I get some movement in? 425 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 4: You know? 426 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: Can I walk to work and all these little ways? 427 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: Can I stand up and do ten squats at the desk? 428 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 1: Can I get a lot of hydration? In can I 429 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 1: you know, maybe I'm not getting nine hours of sleep 430 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: at night, but can I have better sleep quality because 431 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: I have a ten minute routine before I go to bed. 432 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: So there's all these like small ways that we can 433 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: invest in recovery and even eating, you know, I think 434 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: of a can we add energy into our body? Rather 435 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: than coming at this like I should eat this, I 436 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: shouldn't eat this. It's like this pessimistic way of looking 437 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: at what's broken instead of like, Okay, what can I add? 438 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: What can I do well? So for me of recovery 439 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: is essential in the conversation of being resilient. 440 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 3: What you said about this idea of well, I'm going 441 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 3: to table that recovery. That's so interesting because I can 442 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 3: definitely say it's something I've been guilty of in the past. 443 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 3: I think it's something that a lot of us can 444 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 3: really relate to, this idea of well, I will make 445 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 3: time for it, but I can't make time for it 446 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:20,959 Speaker 3: right now. 447 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 2: Why is it important to be adaptable? 448 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 3: Why is it important for us to shift the understanding 449 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 3: or thought process of this is how things should be 450 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 3: and embracing our capacity to do things in a different 451 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 3: way in the interim. 452 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: Excellence happens in the present moment, and the most beautiful 453 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: things in life happened in the present moment. You know, 454 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: it's where performance and joy and connection are at its highest, creativity, innovation, 455 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: so all of these things that we are working so 456 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: hard to attain, like, we're putting so much energy towards 457 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 1: these things to try to tap into where really the 458 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: answer is almost in the letting go. And so if 459 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: we've really want to problem solve at a high level 460 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: and connect at a high level and you know, push 461 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: our business to the next level, the biggest thing we 462 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: can do is learn to be present in the moment 463 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: and and honor what is actually coming up in the 464 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: present moment. And so that's why I point to recovery. 465 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: And it's not enough to override over and over. I've 466 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: tried it to, you know, to no success, and many 467 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: people have tried it and again, recovery it doesn't have 468 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: to take a lot of time. It's really about intention 469 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: and what else are we doing if we're not able 470 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: to be where our feet are? I mean, truly, we're 471 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: missing so many moments in life. 472 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 2: I love the phrase be where your feet are. 473 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 3: I also think that some of this like delaying of 474 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 3: recovery can really halt your productivity as well. Right, It's 475 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 3: like we think that if we your go go go, 476 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 3: that no matter what happens, even if the hurdles keep 477 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 3: piling up, that person assistance is going to be the 478 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 3: key to the gate. But really being go go go 479 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 3: doesn't ensure you productivity. It more so just really ensures 480 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 3: that you might run yourself into the ground. 481 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just want to slow clap to that and 482 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: say amen, because it's you know, it's we have. I've 483 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: been talked about like forty seven percent of our time 484 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: on average as an adult, our mind is spent wandering, 485 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: which is an insane amount of time. 486 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 4: That's almost half. 487 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: And so even if you think about an hour long 488 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: zoom meeting, if you were to take one minute at 489 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: the top of the meeting for everyone to take a 490 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: few breaths, set an attention. So there's a recovery practice 491 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: of thinking, well, you can get so much more out 492 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: of the next fifty nine minutes. Whereas for most people 493 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: they get on a call, they're still thinking about the 494 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 1: last call. They're not really paying full attention. They're thinking 495 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: about their next call or what they're going to make 496 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: for dinner, and by the time it's you know, we're 497 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: seven minutes in, it's like, hey, guys, sorry. 498 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 4: What what are we doing here? 499 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: And we're all in that. So in recovery is no different. 500 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: If we take five minutes thirty minutes at the top 501 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: of the day or the end of the day to 502 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: invest in yourself, to add energy into yourself, to unwind 503 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 1: whatever that might be, we get so much more out 504 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: of the moments because we are present exactly what you said, 505 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: we are where our feet are. 506 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 507 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, And what you're really driving home here also is 508 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 3: the importance of focus, you know, locking into the present, 509 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 3: so to speak, whether it's an uncomfortable moment or just 510 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 3: sort of the zoom call. What actionable tips do you 511 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 3: have to offer the hurdlers when it comes to being 512 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 3: more present, being where your feed are. 513 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 4: Oof hurdlers, This is a good one. Yeah. 514 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: I think the thing about focus is if we are 515 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: we know the science is very clear, and we also 516 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 1: know from experience we do our best work in the 517 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: when we're completely absorbed in the present moment. Yet it's 518 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: really challenging in our days to do that. So I 519 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: think the practice is being intentional about when you want 520 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: to do that, and whether that's creating boundaries around hey, 521 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: for these thirty minutes, I'm trying to I'm trying to 522 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 1: problem solve. 523 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 4: I've got to be creative. 524 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: I can't do that if I'm texting or if I'm 525 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: doing five things at once. So creating little boundaries I 526 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: think is important. And then the other part of focus 527 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: that is often left untalked about is the letting go. 528 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 4: You know, so we. 529 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: Point a flashlight and we really want to focus on that, 530 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: We've got to turn it off at times in order, Okay, 531 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: let your mind go, let your mind water. It's natural, 532 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: it's it's normal. We're multitasking whatever. And then I'm going 533 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: to come back even harder. And then you know, even 534 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: at the Olympic level and volleyball, we our play is 535 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: usually last fifteen to twenty second or seven to twenty seconds, 536 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: and one of the practices to focus intensely, you know, 537 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: over a long period of time with many distractions. 538 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 4: Was to let go of it. 539 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: You come in hard for one play and then have 540 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: some like three seconds of letting go, and then we. 541 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 4: Come back over and over. 542 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: So it's just similar to like pushing and recovering, like 543 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: you can't just keep focusing. 544 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 3: I also feel as though sometimes it requires us to 545 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 3: work on that flexibility muscle. Right just because something worked 546 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 3: for us one way in the past doesn't mean that 547 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 3: the same will hold true going forward. And re jiggering 548 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 3: or being adaptive also a very hard skill to feel 549 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 3: as though you've totally mastered I don't think anyone ever 550 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,120 Speaker 3: totally masters it, but being open to that can be 551 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 3: such a game changer forgetting to where you want to go. 552 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm just saying amen to all of your comments. Yes, 553 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: I agree. I think to the skill of curiosity and 554 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 1: saying open to learning is what you're hitting on. And again, 555 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: it's one thing to do that and when you're comfortable, 556 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 1: but when you are really under stressed, can you stay 557 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: open and curious? And to me, this skill there if 558 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: you want to increase your ability to do that is 559 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: having awareness of where your thoughts go when you're under stressed, 560 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: and then we get to choose how we engage with them. 561 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 4: So it's not like we're privy to. 562 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 1: Being in a bad mood or really hanging onto an 563 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: outcome that we know we can't really control because we 564 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: care about it. But when those things come up, or 565 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: if I'm on a podcast and I start to get 566 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: overwhelmed by oh my god, soo many people are listening, 567 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: but then I'm aware of it, It's like, oh, okay, 568 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: what do I do with that? Or I actually really 569 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: care this is okay, I'm going to anchor to this skill, 570 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: and so again I'm going to I keep pointing back 571 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: to mindfulness because it really is about awareness and then 572 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: how we choose to engage. 573 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 2: With how we choose to engage with it. 574 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 3: So rounding this out now, going back to that original 575 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 3: topic of getting familiar with feeling uncomfortable, opening yourself up, 576 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 3: perhaps more frequently to uncomfortable situations. 577 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 2: What last thoughts would you. 578 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 3: You offer to the hurdlers when it comes to being 579 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 3: where their feet are even in those uncomfortable situations. 580 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: Connecting to the vision, and like knowing why it's meaningful 581 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: for you to build this skill and the context doesn't 582 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,959 Speaker 1: always matter in this. I think when we train trust, 583 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: it tends to carry over elsewhere because wow, I can 584 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: do anything. I know that I can sit at Thanksgiving 585 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: dinner with my mother in law and be really. 586 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 4: Triggered and be okay. 587 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: I also know I can run a marathon and it's 588 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: gonna suck, it's gonna hurt, but I can do it 589 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: because I wanted to prove, you know whatever. 590 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 4: So anchoring to the vision I think is really important. 591 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: And the other part I would say is have a 592 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: community and be able to share with someone. Dude, I 593 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: am in it today, you know, and even you know, 594 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: some of these things can be thought of as soft, 595 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: but we'll be in I remember being in the gym 596 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: and looking at my teammatem Dude, I want to punch 597 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: everyone in the face right now, you know, and we laughed. 598 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I am in it today. 599 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 4: I do not know why. 600 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: I'm just in such a bad mood. And we laugh 601 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: and then it's like, Okay, yeah, this is real for 602 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: me right now, and this is how I'm going to 603 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: engage with it. But when we can have those open 604 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: conversations with other people and bring lightness and humor, I 605 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: think that's that's a really powerful skill when you're dealing 606 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: with stress. And one of the just to tie this 607 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: back into recovery as well, one of the questions I 608 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: like to ask people is when when's the last time you, like, 609 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: really lost your shit, laughing like tears belly laughs, just 610 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: like out of control. And if if we can't really remember, 611 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: it's probably been too long. Laughter is connection, connection with 612 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: other people. It's deep breathing, which helps deactivate the nervous system. 613 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: Like it's so it's this like soul reset. It's like 614 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: jumping in a cold ocean, you know, and we don't. 615 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: That's the other that's what we would call the fifth 616 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: pillar of recovery. And also helps us, you know, build trust, 617 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: because hey, we're in this with other people. 618 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 4: I don't have to be perfect. 619 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 3: And I think that idea of woman the last time 620 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 3: you really let go is appable when it comes to 621 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 3: so many of our emotions, right, not just that big 622 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 3: belly laugh, but also like releasing sadness and anger, like 623 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 3: when was the last time that you really just completely 624 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 3: no holds, like let go? In every aspect it's important 625 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 3: because keeping it bottled inside just doesn't do anyone any good. 626 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: Yes, well said, I was just reading something that was 627 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: like it was talking about how a baby just expresses 628 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: in the present moment and there's there's no narrative there. 629 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: They're not telling themselves a story. They're just like this 630 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: is what is. And then I'm going to move on, 631 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: and then you kind of get to the toddler stage. 632 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 4: Just a different situation. 633 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: But I think, you know, I was like, oh, we 634 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: should live like babies. That's a great idea. 635 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,959 Speaker 4: We should within reason, within reason. Somebody swaddle me, Courtney. 636 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 3: This was so good, so many really excellent takeaways in here. 637 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 3: How do the hurdlers follow along with you? How do 638 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 3: they keep up with you? For more really insightful takeaways? 639 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 3: Give us your information? 640 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, this has been fun. You know, our 641 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: company Finding Master. If you're interested in kind of what 642 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: we do or how we train our mind, we offer 643 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: a course which would be awesome. And then I don't 644 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: have much social media, but I'm on Instagram, c Tomp 645 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: Underscore three. 646 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 4: So hit me up whatever. 647 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, I love these conversations and really admire the 648 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: work you do, so thank you for having me. 649 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 3: Thanks court I'm over at Emily a Body and at 650 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 3: Hurdle Podcast Another Hurdle Conquered. 651 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time.