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Speaker 1: West Virginia. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond
Speaker 1: Green Show. This next guest M I am honored to have.
Speaker 1: It's actually the first woman on The Draymond Green Show.
Speaker 1: And initially when we first started, it was like we
Speaker 1: were getting guests, and I was very strategical about the guests,
Speaker 1: and then like the way they were lining up, it
Speaker 1: just became a thing of like the first woman that
Speaker 1: come on the show, Like it has to be like
Speaker 1: you know, like you gotta have a resume to come
Speaker 1: on the show. Anyway, but the first woman that come
Speaker 1: on the show, like the resume has to be like
Speaker 1: insanely stellar, because like we all love first, like you're
Speaker 1: the first to do something that's the most amazing thing.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go down this list and just bear
Speaker 1: with me. Two time w NBA Champion, two time MVP
Speaker 1: A Finals MVP, seven time All Star. My favorite of
Speaker 1: the list, Defensive Player of the Year in two twenty.
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, when everyone was trying to say like she
Speaker 1: was slowing down, Defensive Player of the Year stopped to
Speaker 1: talk Rookie of the Year in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: which was years before the Defensive Player of the Year
Speaker 1: insane seven time a r w NBA First Team, three
Speaker 1: time r w NBA Second Team, two time NCAA champion,
Speaker 1: two time AP Female Athlete of the Year two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight, and two thousan twenty one. So we're going
Speaker 1: back and again two twenty. If the Defensive Player of
Speaker 1: the Year wasn't enough for y'all to stop saying she
Speaker 1: was slowing down, I'm gonna just go AP Athlete of
Speaker 1: the Year to two times John Wooden Award winner, two
Speaker 1: time Olympic gold medalists, and we're just going to leave
Speaker 1: the high school accolades where they are. This next guest
Speaker 1: needs no further ado. CP three, Candice Parker, Welcome to
Speaker 1: the show. Thank you so much. I appreciate you having
Speaker 1: me man. I'm excited to be a be a part
Speaker 1: of your show. Thank you. I appreciate you coming on now.
Speaker 1: With that being said, who who's the goat? The greatest
Speaker 1: woman of all time? With this resume? Can see they
Speaker 1: don't mention your name enough in that conversation for me,
Speaker 1: and I have a problem with it, So I need
Speaker 1: to know who's yours. Like we're gonna start this thing
Speaker 1: off hot, We're getting right into it. So to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, I was a big I'm a big
Speaker 1: era person that I love that and I can I
Speaker 1: feel like the goat is who you aspire to be like,
Speaker 1: right like when you're in your driveway and you're trying
Speaker 1: to be like that person. And I watched a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of tape um and my dad was
Speaker 1: big on Cheryl Miller, and so Cheryl Miller to me,
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people didn't get to see
Speaker 1: her play and her career was cut short and there
Speaker 1: was no w BA for her to really prove um
Speaker 1: what could have been. And so I think just somebody
Speaker 1: at six two that can handle the ball, that was
Speaker 1: an athletic, Like you didn't see that. She was way
Speaker 1: before her time. So I think Cheryl Miller to me
Speaker 1: is is that. I think that's absolutely amazing. M You
Speaker 1: know when like I knew about Cheryl Miller growing up
Speaker 1: as a kid. My aunt actually was a standout basketball player.
Speaker 1: So I knew of all of the women and that
Speaker 1: Baber's I knew of all the women like growing up
Speaker 1: back in the day. And Cheryl Miller, like, I feel
Speaker 1: like the respect that everyone half for her, it just
Speaker 1: let you know, like what she meant to women's basketball,
Speaker 1: and with Sheryl, it wasn't even about women's basketball, what
Speaker 1: she meant to basketball as a whole. Like, I think
Speaker 1: that validates that statement, and so I appreciate you for that.
Speaker 1: I was expecting you to possibly go somewhere else. I
Speaker 1: feel like you took the media route on me butting
Speaker 1: out all about it. Let's go, let's go, let's get
Speaker 1: into it. You know What's I'm excited about this interview
Speaker 1: because I know you talk a lot more junk than
Speaker 1: people may know you talk, and so I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to getting someone. If I can get something that out
Speaker 1: of you, I hope so. But no, let's take it
Speaker 1: back Chicago. Growing up in Chicago and especially the time
Speaker 1: that you the era that you grew up in. You
Speaker 1: grew up during the Michael Jordan era, during the nineties
Speaker 1: Bulls era. What was that light growing up in Chicago,
Speaker 1: coming from a basketball family and being able to have
Speaker 1: that right there, the expectation for winning from the get go,
Speaker 1: like the Bulls won six championships, we would We moved
Speaker 1: to Naperville, Illinois when I was three, so we got
Speaker 1: there in nineteen eighty nine, and that was right before
Speaker 1: the Bulls started winning. So my first memories were sitting
Speaker 1: down and watching WGN, watching Bulls games and Grant Park
Speaker 1: where they would do the celebration, and I just remember
Speaker 1: loving the Bulls like you grew up with the expectation
Speaker 1: of like, we're winning again this year. That's how it is,
Speaker 1: and I think it was. It's it's it's not ironic.
Speaker 1: I would say that I I fell in love with
Speaker 1: basketball around their second three peat and around the WBA
Speaker 1: started and just watching Michael Jordan, and you know, I
Speaker 1: was a big Round Harber fan, So watching Ron Harbor
Speaker 1: and bj Armstrong and Luke Longley like that was our team,
Speaker 1: that was our city's team, And I think it just
Speaker 1: set the expectation of winning, like from the get though,
Speaker 1: Like from when I first picked up a ball, it
Speaker 1: was like you had to win championships with So you're
Speaker 1: growing up watching that. In the meantime, you have an
Speaker 1: older brother who's building a career and he eventually goes
Speaker 1: on to the NBA. What impact did he have on
Speaker 1: you and the pressure and being a sister and as
Speaker 1: as good as you were with all the expectations that
Speaker 1: you had, but you have a brother that's an NBA
Speaker 1: player and then you have to live up. Did you
Speaker 1: feel like you needed to live up to something due
Speaker 1: to that. I was always in awe of my brothers.
Speaker 1: They are and were my heroes, and so everything that
Speaker 1: they did I was trying to do. And I think
Speaker 1: for so long I tried to play basketball kind of quietly.
Speaker 1: I really leaned on soccer and volleyball, like that's what
Speaker 1: I wanted my identity to be, just because I would
Speaker 1: go to school and you know, kids would come with
Speaker 1: my brother's rookie card for me to sign when he
Speaker 1: got drafted and was playing in Philly, and so the
Speaker 1: pressure I think was there, and I kind of for
Speaker 1: a while was resistant to it. But then, like I said,
Speaker 1: I picked up the game and I loved it. I
Speaker 1: fell in love with it, and I started picking my
Speaker 1: brother's brain about stuff, and I remember him breaking down
Speaker 1: basketball footwork and out the same as like with the
Speaker 1: soccer ball, and you know us kind of he was
Speaker 1: that older brothers, so we didn't have the competition, but
Speaker 1: there was just this huge shadow that I had to
Speaker 1: kind of try to recreate. And luckily I'm not a
Speaker 1: shooter like my brother is a shooter, so I didn't
Speaker 1: really spollowing his footsteps. I kind of had my own thing.
Speaker 1: And then my middle brother was brilliant, like went to
Speaker 1: Johns Hopkins, went to Washington for undergrad and so to
Speaker 1: following his footsteps and get to their school and hear
Speaker 1: their teachers talk about them, it made me want to
Speaker 1: be great, and it made me want to live up
Speaker 1: to their legacy. And so I always say, you know,
Speaker 1: my biggest family memories is just going on a Saturday
Speaker 1: to the park and just us and that's where we
Speaker 1: talk about jump. You know, absolutely, that's where I learned.
Speaker 1: You know, it's from my brothers. So not only you
Speaker 1: know my fade away, but also like to be competitive
Speaker 1: and that takes me too. So I feel like when
Speaker 1: I grew up surround Sat at the same time you
Speaker 1: grew up. Like in women's basketball, I've always been a
Speaker 1: women's basketball fan, especially women's college basketball, growing up, like
Speaker 1: Shamika holst Claw, like, I felt like you were either
Speaker 1: Tennessee or you were kind like it was no in between.
Speaker 1: You didn't one year route for Uka, you didn't, and
Speaker 1: so I was in Tennessee. Got Shamik holst Claw, Tamika
Speaker 1: catches like go down the list and then eventually I
Speaker 1: become a Candice Parker fan. Once you go to Tennessee.
Speaker 1: Why was it Tennessee for you? And coach Pat Summit
Speaker 1: over Yukon and Gino Orion was? I feel like, if
Speaker 1: you're a blue chip you were looking at those two. Well,
Speaker 1: Pat was different. You know, I think my parents knew
Speaker 1: earlier than I did that that was the right place
Speaker 1: for me. And like I said earlier, my brother went
Speaker 1: to school to become a doctor. He went to the
Speaker 1: best school right and for me, I wanted to go
Speaker 1: to the best school to be. I wanted to play
Speaker 1: with basketball. I wanted to play basketball professionally, but I
Speaker 1: also wanted to do more than just play basketball. I
Speaker 1: wanted to be a good human. I wanted to be
Speaker 1: a mom. I wanted to, you know, do major in communications.
Speaker 1: I wanted to do all those things. And it just
Speaker 1: seemed like that place and that coach and program would
Speaker 1: really prepare me for life. And I had a front
Speaker 1: row seat to what it takes to be a strong woman,
Speaker 1: for what it takes to demand respect, for what it
Speaker 1: takes to be able to walk into any room and
Speaker 1: look people nigh and know you deserve to be there.
Speaker 1: And I think it started at my home and then
Speaker 1: it carried to Tennessee, and so I guess it kind
Speaker 1: of came down to me telling myself reasons not to
Speaker 1: go there, like telling myself reasons why I shouldn't go there,
Speaker 1: like I want to play in front of people, And
Speaker 1: we sold out and we led the nation and attendance
Speaker 1: my whole three years that I played at Tennessee. And
Speaker 1: so to have that following and to have that legacy,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to be a big fish in a
Speaker 1: big pond. I didn't want to duck pressure, you know.
Speaker 1: I wanted to win a championship and be one of
Speaker 1: the best and one of the greatest to play for
Speaker 1: one of the greatest programs. And so I think that
Speaker 1: competitive element kind of came out in me. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I I was happy you went to Tennessee. I always
Speaker 1: grew up a Tennessee fan in past summer, so that
Speaker 1: was your time. Like with you going to play for
Speaker 1: a coach like Tom Izzo, and you know what's going
Speaker 1: to prepare you, Like nothing you face today with it
Speaker 1: is a surprise because of what you experienced in college.
Speaker 1: Like absolutely I forgot you know, no, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Like the toughness that you had to have to play
Speaker 1: for time iszough, Like the things that I will go
Speaker 1: through in the NBA. I'm like it's a piece of cake,
Speaker 1: Like I played for Izzo every day, you know, Like
Speaker 1: when when you speak a Pat, it speaks so much
Speaker 1: to me of my experience with Coacheso like I love
Speaker 1: that man of death. I've heard you speak about Pat
Speaker 1: and like I hear every every opportunity you get. Now
Speaker 1: to this day, you keep her name alive, and I
Speaker 1: honor that because coaches O for me, like I'll give
Speaker 1: my right arm for time. Isough, like the things that
Speaker 1: he's done for me in my life and teaching me,
Speaker 1: like I didn't know how to work hard, Like what's that?
Speaker 1: Like I thought what I was doing was working hard,
Speaker 1: like teaching me how to work hard, to get in shape,
Speaker 1: like how to compete, Like one of my main skills
Speaker 1: in the NBA is competing, Like I don't think people
Speaker 1: understand that's a skill. Like Tom Zoll really taught me
Speaker 1: how to like compete at a high level. Now I
Speaker 1: think some of us in eight right, like you have
Speaker 1: to have some of it. But for me with Tom Zoll,
Speaker 1: like the reasons you're like, I was gonna go to
Speaker 1: Kentucky Tubby Smith left and I and I, but I
Speaker 1: always wanted to go to Michigan State, and I didn't
Speaker 1: really have an offer, And then when I d committed,
Speaker 1: I had to offer and I went right away because
Speaker 1: I loved what Zo still for and I knew the
Speaker 1: man he would help me grow into, and I knew
Speaker 1: it was so much more than about basketball. And That's
Speaker 1: what I've watched LA underestimate the value of life lessons
Speaker 1: in college. You know, like the ball eventually is going
Speaker 1: to stop bouncing. It doesn't matter how great you are,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. The ball is gonna stop bouncing. And
Speaker 1: you need skills to be a good parent, to be
Speaker 1: a good partner, to be all of these things, to
Speaker 1: be able to work in an environment, to learn how
Speaker 1: to have a motor and to work hard. I mean,
Speaker 1: you are constantly reinventing yourself. I mean even watching you now,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I'm not blowing smoke like
Speaker 1: you don't have to do this. You don't have to,
Speaker 1: but you're setting yourself up for the next. And I
Speaker 1: think a lot of athletes kind of ride this wave
Speaker 1: and they don't prepare for the next, which is good.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you focus on what you have. But
Speaker 1: the greatest advice I got was from Michael Strahan who
Speaker 1: on Mondays after they play on Sundays with get in
Speaker 1: his car and drive into a radio show after games.
Speaker 1: You know. And so it's like that movie. That mindset
Speaker 1: and that work ethic. It comes from people showing you
Speaker 1: you know how to do it and what it takes,
Speaker 1: and like like you said, and doing this. I think
Speaker 1: one of the best compliments. So I got about this
Speaker 1: show last year. When I first started doing it was
Speaker 1: Colin call Her, who owns the network, like he was
Speaker 1: shocked at how hard I worked. He's like, yo, I
Speaker 1: don't understand, Like why do you work this hard? But
Speaker 1: like that's all I know, Like I wouldn't be who
Speaker 1: I am today, and so anything I do, I feel
Speaker 1: like that's just how you have to do it. Like,
Speaker 1: but but there's a stereotype with athletes that it doesn't
Speaker 1: carry over into other things. And I hope that this
Speaker 1: generation breaks that stereotype because as athletes, we are given tools,
Speaker 1: we work for, tools that helps us excel at other things. Fact.
Speaker 1: And I think just now the world is kind of
Speaker 1: starting to see that in that we are literally given
Speaker 1: the blueprint of what it is to work in a team,
Speaker 1: to work hard, to fight for an actual like goal
Speaker 1: that's actually a trophy. And you know when you win
Speaker 1: something or whatever, and that's what you're working for in
Speaker 1: the workforce, whatever, you're working towards your goals. So I
Speaker 1: just you know, seeing you do that and to see
Speaker 1: you you set yourself up for in another another amazing career,
Speaker 1: I mean, it is it is inspiring so yeah, man,
Speaker 1: keep it up. I appreciate that. I actually want to
Speaker 1: get into that. But before I get into that, I
Speaker 1: want to So you leave college, you go to the NBA,
Speaker 1: and you have your daughter. You had your daughter in college?
Speaker 1: No no, no, no no. Second, I left college in
Speaker 1: May and I had I was pregnant with her. I
Speaker 1: got pregnant with her in August, so I had I
Speaker 1: had just left. Were you scared shitless? Like, because you
Speaker 1: just spoke about being a mother and like how you
Speaker 1: wanted to be a mother, the arguably the best player
Speaker 1: of a generation and you're about to have a kid
Speaker 1: at the time, like nowadays this accepted, like at that
Speaker 1: time not really accepted, more frowned up on than anything,
Speaker 1: and no one really voices in support, like were you terrified?
Speaker 1: I feel as though I always wanted to be a
Speaker 1: young mom always, like I always envisioned like having a kid.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was like. I felt like
Speaker 1: it was just like I was put on earth to
Speaker 1: be a mom, Like I just always envisioned having the
Speaker 1: family and having you know, having a little you and
Speaker 1: you know, being able to look at that person to
Speaker 1: grow up and whatever. So when it happened, yes, I
Speaker 1: was because it was not planned. But it was one
Speaker 1: of those things where I kind of just I didn't
Speaker 1: see what everybody else saw. And I think that that's
Speaker 1: my gift and my curse is that when something happens,
Speaker 1: I look at it as an opportunity, where, Okay, when
Speaker 1: am I going to get back? How am I going
Speaker 1: to work forwards it getting back? What day? So the
Speaker 1: day I found out I was pregnant with my daughter,
Speaker 1: I circled on the calendar when I wanted to come back,
Speaker 1: like what game I was going to play? And the
Speaker 1: schedule hadn't come out yet, but I circled the day
Speaker 1: that I was going to play. And from that point on,
Speaker 1: you know, I would be only elliptical and I would
Speaker 1: be on me, you know, shooting. I couldn't jump, but
Speaker 1: I was shooting and I was getting back, and you know,
Speaker 1: people are looking at me like why are you are
Speaker 1: you doing all this? So I think the biggest thing
Speaker 1: for me was the balance, Like my mom was at everything.
Speaker 1: I had one line in a play and my mom
Speaker 1: was there, and so for me, I think it was
Speaker 1: more so not the pregnancy to get back, like I
Speaker 1: just assumed my body is going to be able to
Speaker 1: do what I wanted to do. But it was it
Speaker 1: was the balance of being an athlete and chasing after
Speaker 1: my goals and my dreams and having a child. And
Speaker 1: where is the gray line of sacrificing for her where
Speaker 1: it's not fair versus sacrificing what you want to do
Speaker 1: and your goals and your life. And I will say
Speaker 1: I might have been a better basketball player. I might
Speaker 1: be looked at in a different light had I not
Speaker 1: had her right, or had I not been injured or whatever.
Speaker 1: But there is no amount of anything that I would
Speaker 1: give up for that, like the fact that she's been
Speaker 1: able to be a part of my career to see
Speaker 1: me like we've grown up together. We've lived in China
Speaker 1: and Russia and Turkey and gone all over the world.
Speaker 1: We're going to Japan in a couple of weeks, and
Speaker 1: I just feel as though, like that it was my purpose,
Speaker 1: And you know, I think it it opened my eyes
Speaker 1: to the way that the perceives mothers, and you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting. And I will say the NBA
Speaker 1: has changed the stigma a bit, like you walking in
Speaker 1: with your son for the tunnel. Whether you know it
Speaker 1: or not, it makes a difference because guess what, in
Speaker 1: the media, they're asking me where my kids are when
Speaker 1: I'm on a road trip. You know, they're not asking you.
Speaker 1: They're not asking stuff. They're not asking Lebron, like who's
Speaker 1: taking care of the kids while you're gone. So the
Speaker 1: stigma that dads don't have to have that responsibility has
Speaker 1: been there constantly, you know, And so I think, just
Speaker 1: you know, I know, I kind of digressed a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I think having my daughter has completely set up
Speaker 1: who I am and what I'm about. And I I
Speaker 1: have a life outside of basketball. I have outside of basketball,
Speaker 1: And I think for a while I was tunnel vision
Speaker 1: and I lived and died by it. And I think
Speaker 1: as a competitor it's good, and as a human it's not.
Speaker 1: And so my daughter gives me that like she loves me,
Speaker 1: know my if I scored twenty five points or possible
Speaker 1: three points, yeah, So I think, you know, it was
Speaker 1: a growing up moment for me for sure. And y'all
Speaker 1: immediately go to Los Angeles of all cities to like
Speaker 1: have to deal with all of the stuff that come
Speaker 1: with that. Now, how is that adjustment with a small
Speaker 1: baby and moving to Los Angeles expected? To be great, Like,
Speaker 1: all right, you just had this kid, and you still
Speaker 1: expected to be great. And I don't think people may
Speaker 1: realize it now, But again we have to remember this
Speaker 1: is years ago that the Los Angeles, like plans for
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles sparked right after Lisa Leslie. That's a
Speaker 1: big thing, and so now you're expected to carry that
Speaker 1: with a little baby. What was that experience? Like, I
Speaker 1: only know one way. You know, I'm gonna try to
Speaker 1: be the greatest basketball player I can and I'm going
Speaker 1: to try to be the greatest mom I can't. And
Speaker 1: sometimes I screwed up it, both of them, you know.
Speaker 1: But I will say this, I think I don't feel
Speaker 1: like I feel pressured from the outside because the expectations
Speaker 1: that I put on myself are way greater than what
Speaker 1: anybody could think or want or have of me. And
Speaker 1: so I didn't feel the pressure. I think more so
Speaker 1: I felt the frustration of not winning right away. I
Speaker 1: felt the anger of feeling like, you know, you're kind
Speaker 1: of in mud a little bit in terms of your
Speaker 1: talent level and what you're doing. And I mean, I
Speaker 1: had a baby, and then I was injured, and then
Speaker 1: there were these expectations to win, and sometimes maybe the
Speaker 1: team wasn't built in the way that I kind of saw,
Speaker 1: you know, what would be beneficial to us. We had
Speaker 1: a bunch of heartbreaks and last shots and but you know,
Speaker 1: all in all, I think I was just trying to
Speaker 1: focus on doing all I could to get that championship.
Speaker 1: And I didn't envision. Like when I came into league,
Speaker 1: it was like, how many rings do you want to win?
Speaker 1: I was like six, like Mike, And then as you
Speaker 1: go through it, you realize how fucking hard it is
Speaker 1: when a champions how hard and people look at it
Speaker 1: like it's just so easy and it's not, And so
Speaker 1: dealing with the pressures was nothing because I wanted to
Speaker 1: I wanted to win. I didn't care. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to win. And so I think just that was what
Speaker 1: kept me up at night. It wasn't what people were
Speaker 1: saying about me or anything like that. It was just
Speaker 1: the fact that I wanted to win a championship. I
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like guys like the more that
Speaker 1: I've won, and like you just said, how hard it this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like I have um a softer spot for
Speaker 1: guys that has for instance, Damian Lillard, Yeah, like James Harden.
Speaker 1: You think of these guys who's had these incredible careers
Speaker 1: and haven't won a championship, And like I used to
Speaker 1: talk a lot of I used to always and like
Speaker 1: I still will, like Charles Barkley, like never won a championship, shuck,
Speaker 1: Like I still I'm still gonna talk about him. But
Speaker 1: there's also another side of me that's like, like James Harden,
Speaker 1: does James Harden win a championship if he don't run
Speaker 1: up against us every year in the conference finals? Like
Speaker 1: I mean, Arlone would have won a championship or championship,
Speaker 1: wasn't or Donny Wilkins talk about all these guys, but
Speaker 1: but then, but then these guys end up be discredited,
Speaker 1: like for what they've done in their careers because they
Speaker 1: didn't win a championship. But actually, only you and I
Speaker 1: and obviously other champion knows how hard it really is
Speaker 1: and all of the things that has to go right
Speaker 1: in order for that. You gotta be right, You have
Speaker 1: to be healthy at the right time, you gotta be
Speaker 1: clicking at the right time. You gotta get a little lucky.
Speaker 1: Like but people underestimate and undervalue the luck because you know,
Speaker 1: I'm a Golden Stay fan like Labla's favorite teams. No
Speaker 1: I am. I've told you this absolutely, Like if you
Speaker 1: look back on if everything would have gone perfect, right,
Speaker 1: y'all could have six or seven championships absolutely right now,
Speaker 1: if everything would have went wrong, maybe only have one
Speaker 1: or two. Like we look at these plays as and
Speaker 1: I've always said this, we allow individual plays to determine
Speaker 1: somebody's entire career. Like, really, if Houston Rockets wouldn't have
Speaker 1: missed twenty seven straight to waste and it's put y'all
Speaker 1: defense is great? What's not on things with wide open?
Speaker 1: Like wide open? Or what if Karl Malone would have
Speaker 1: put the ball up like this and Jordan would have come,
Speaker 1: wouldn't have come baseline and knocked it out us in Like,
Speaker 1: there's so many elements of stuff, So I believe that
Speaker 1: there's so many, so much luck, but I also think
Speaker 1: you make your lucky and like to watch y'all know
Speaker 1: because there's a there's a champions mentality of knowing when
Speaker 1: that play is like knowing when you have to make
Speaker 1: a play that's true. You know, you can only know
Speaker 1: that when you've won m you cannot you you can
Speaker 1: try to know it. You can try to seal it,
Speaker 1: but up until you win, you're guessing. You're guessing when
Speaker 1: when it's time, Like is it time now? Okay, no,
Speaker 1: is it time? You know what I mean? Like watching
Speaker 1: you guys and watching y'all last year, like it really
Speaker 1: was you whin it was time? So I think there's luck,
Speaker 1: but I also think, you know, there's that mentality in
Speaker 1: that we're not. So do you think like, actually, as
Speaker 1: of late Dame has been really outspoken about about it,
Speaker 1: do you think the flak that guys catch or or
Speaker 1: not even necessarily the flat but essentially how guys are
Speaker 1: dropped down the rankings because of not winning championship, do
Speaker 1: you think that's justified? I think in the past NBA yes,
Speaker 1: the modern NBA probably not, because I think there's so
Speaker 1: much switching teams and going places that then you're going
Speaker 1: to have to start not validating championships as well, because
Speaker 1: do you remember when the Lakers did it? It was
Speaker 1: like Carmelone went to the Lakers and yeah, and they
Speaker 1: went to the Lakers and it was just kind of
Speaker 1: like like if they win a championship this year, they
Speaker 1: haven't won one before. And I think this is what
Speaker 1: I'm facing now, Like there's so many people that are
Speaker 1: calling me a KD and you know, you just switching teams,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, listen at me. I've won championships. Whatever
Speaker 1: however you want it, I'll give it to you. We
Speaker 1: want it a hard, hard, hard way. I've gone back
Speaker 1: home and won a championship. And now I'm deciding that,
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't want to play forty minutes.
Speaker 1: I want to do everything. I don't want to. I
Speaker 1: don't I'm cool winning near my family, picking me off
Speaker 1: the court, playing for an adult organization, an adult practice facility,
Speaker 1: with stuff that I've never had in my career. Call
Speaker 1: me what you want, but don't at me with that.
Speaker 1: And so I think we have different ways of validating
Speaker 1: and not validating player, because do I think Charles Barkley
Speaker 1: is a freaking beast? His yes, like Chuck couldn't fall
Speaker 1: absolutely and he played during an era that was playing
Speaker 1: against I mean so, but I think now it's a
Speaker 1: little bit because so many guys are changing teams. So
Speaker 1: it's like, what is Dame gonna do? Because you are
Speaker 1: kind of wasting a little bit of years. And I
Speaker 1: get it, like you want to stay loyal and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people that want to start and finish
Speaker 1: in the same place, and I think that that's admirable.
Speaker 1: But you also have to look at the big scheme
Speaker 1: of things if you care about where you are on
Speaker 1: the list. So so, so are you saying Katie coming
Speaker 1: to the Warriors and you're going to the to the
Speaker 1: Aces are two totally different things. I think it's two
Speaker 1: totally different things. I've won two championships. You're saying, so
Speaker 1: you're saying, so you're saying what you did is more
Speaker 1: lebron than than Katie, essentially Becauselebrian went back home championships.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, Yes, um, I think lebrond to the
Speaker 1: Lakers for yes, career wise, but also business wise. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's talking about wanting to be a billionaire. Well, guess what.
Speaker 1: I want to be a female Magic Johnson. I want
Speaker 1: to be a businesswoman and I want to take female
Speaker 1: sports and female athletes and have them looked at differently
Speaker 1: in tech, in investment, in just business in general. And
Speaker 1: so for me, I think it was family, it was business,
Speaker 1: and it was basketball, and it's like and I think
Speaker 1: that that was the main party Gremont. I have not
Speaker 1: had a locker in my entire career. I've been in
Speaker 1: the w BA for sixteen years, and I have not
Speaker 1: had a locker where it has my name on it
Speaker 1: and I can leave my ship and then come back
Speaker 1: and know my ship gonna be there. I have not
Speaker 1: had that. Really, that's my own that you walk into,
Speaker 1: and this is your own area, nobody else. There's no
Speaker 1: old people walking through. There's so And it's not to
Speaker 1: say this is a bad thing, but I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: I fought so hard to like bring the wb A
Speaker 1: along that I've never had a practice facility where I
Speaker 1: can just go get shots up at night. We've always
Speaker 1: shared a practice, yes, And so my thing is is
Speaker 1: I deserve that, right, Absolutely, I deserve that. I've worked
Speaker 1: my ass off and have been a part of growing
Speaker 1: the w BA. And so for im, I don't want
Speaker 1: to find I don't want to I want my last
Speaker 1: couple of years my last If this is it, I
Speaker 1: want this to be something that I look back on
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, like I had that, you know,
Speaker 1: like I've seen progress. This is where we started, and
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Speaker 1: Kelsey Plum recently went on a podcast and everyone's been
Speaker 1: out spoken about the Flying Private, which I want to
Speaker 1: ask you about. But also she recently went on a
Speaker 1: podcast and she was discussing revenue sharing or the revenue
Speaker 1: and she said, I don't I'm not asking for equal
Speaker 1: pay in the NBA. And I can appreciate this, Kelsey,
Speaker 1: because I actually said some things very similar to some
Speaker 1: things that I'm starting here these days. A couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, and I called a lot of flat for
Speaker 1: saying what I was saying, and I was just like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. But I'm starting to hear more of those things,
Speaker 1: so I can appreciate what Kelsey said, which was, I'm
Speaker 1: not asking for equal pay as the NBA players, I'm
Speaker 1: asking for equal revenue sharing as the NBA players. What
Speaker 1: is is you're feeling on that as far as like
Speaker 1: getting the equal revenue share you and your business acumen
Speaker 1: and what you know about business and numbers, what's your
Speaker 1: take on the revenue sharing situation. I'm on the Draymond
Speaker 1: Green podcast, so I can't hold back here. So here's
Speaker 1: the thing, and I'm in agreement, and I heard what
Speaker 1: you said, and I'm in agreement with the fact that
Speaker 1: in a lot of areas that WBA tries to do
Speaker 1: things like the NBA right in their business plan except
Speaker 1: that honest right. So I guess to me, I was
Speaker 1: big on if I'm being I feel as though we
Speaker 1: should not have a cat. I don't think we should
Speaker 1: have a CAT. And I also think maybe to get
Speaker 1: to that point, maybe we have to deunionize. Maybe we
Speaker 1: can't have the same set up as the NBA. And
Speaker 1: I say that in the NBA is made of stars, right,
Speaker 1: And this is no knock because I think, if I'm
Speaker 1: an employee, or if I'm a coach, or if I'm
Speaker 1: a trainer, I'm trying to go and do what's best
Speaker 1: for me and my family. And if somebody wants to
Speaker 1: pay me all this money to come do something, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do it. I'm gonna take I'm gonna try to
Speaker 1: work out ways to carve out things where I can
Speaker 1: be successful. Right. But what's happening now is as a league,
Speaker 1: a lot of times we're setting ourselves up to look
Speaker 1: like a charity. And I say that in a sense
Speaker 1: of we're paying our coaches more than our star players.
Speaker 1: We're paying our gm more than our star players. And
Speaker 1: so then what does that say about the product? Right,
Speaker 1: Like they're not coming to see Steve Kerr all plays.
Speaker 1: They come in to see y'all you know, great, he
Speaker 1: has an amazing blueprint, but you can't have him make
Speaker 1: more than your star player. And so I think from
Speaker 1: and there's no league, no successful league there that is
Speaker 1: in the United States or even abroad, that pays their
Speaker 1: coaches more than they play their they pay their star players.
Speaker 1: So I think we're already set up not in the
Speaker 1: best lady. I also say this, you know, I think
Speaker 1: that the way you have the product on display says
Speaker 1: a lot about the product, right, So even the pricing
Speaker 1: of the app is like you're telling me it's like
Speaker 1: fourteen ninety nine or twenty what is that saying? Like?
Speaker 1: So I just think that all in all, even the jerseys, Right,
Speaker 1: I went to Chicago and it's like, get to Chicago,
Speaker 1: everybody's excited about can't find my jersey, can't get my jersey,
Speaker 1: can't buy my jersey, there's no production of my jersey.
Speaker 1: Right when the championship, people still can't find my jersey
Speaker 1: in an entire season. So I just think sometimes we
Speaker 1: set ourselves up not to be successful. And you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that have grown in the
Speaker 1: w BA, right, but there's also a lot of things
Speaker 1: that need to change from a business standpoint, and I
Speaker 1: think that, you know, we ourselves have to hold ourselves
Speaker 1: to a higher standard, and ownership does as well. You know,
Speaker 1: like you talk about in the NBA, can't have millionaires,
Speaker 1: you gotta have billionaires, right, Absolutely, not properly invest in
Speaker 1: stuff to see where it's going to really end up.
Speaker 1: And I think we're at a fork in the world
Speaker 1: right now, and I think people that choose the right way,
Speaker 1: like women's sports is going to be here, whether it's
Speaker 1: people filling a quota, whether it's television where they're streaming.
Speaker 1: But I guarantee like the visibility element. Why did it
Speaker 1: take so long for the Women's National Championship game to
Speaker 1: be on ABC? Why are two of the hottest teams
Speaker 1: competing and good to each other on Super Bowl Sunday?
Speaker 1: Like that? But Draymon, if we would have went Game
Speaker 1: five in our series and the WBA playoffs, we would
Speaker 1: have went up against Baseball the playoffs for baseball, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So there's certain things strategically
Speaker 1: that I understand you kind of have to take what
Speaker 1: you're given, but also there has to be a line
Speaker 1: in the sand at some point where you know, we
Speaker 1: start having a better blueprint for what we're trying to accomplish,
Speaker 1: you know. And I could go on and on about
Speaker 1: marketing as well, because for so long when I came
Speaker 1: into the league, we were marketing to numble heads that
Speaker 1: we're in their mom's basement talking about how women can't
Speaker 1: play basketball. Why are we talking to them like, let's
Speaker 1: love it and let's love and embrace our our supporters
Speaker 1: in our crowd and the people that really like women's basketball.
Speaker 1: So I mean, why I say, because I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: on this rent forever. But you know, I always suggested,
Speaker 1: I'm like everybody similar to how you all go over
Speaker 1: season play, right, everybody should go play. We could go
Speaker 1: sell out TVA if I'm playing a home game at
Speaker 1: Thompson Bowling Arena in Knoxville, Tennessee. Let's go play in Orlando,
Speaker 1: Florida when they have their big AAU event. You know,
Speaker 1: I just feel like, let's go to Portland when they
Speaker 1: have their event and we're able to take a w
Speaker 1: NBA team who are future stars in the grassroots program.
Speaker 1: Let's play there and then guess why all those girls
Speaker 1: will go home with their parents and maybe buy season
Speaker 1: tickets where their phone. I just think that there's been
Speaker 1: so many ups and downs and we're still here, and
Speaker 1: we're still here for a reason. So yeah, absolutely I agree,
Speaker 1: and I think like the marketing because I'm a strong
Speaker 1: believer in that. When I went on my little rent,
Speaker 1: that's really one of the things I was talking about.
Speaker 1: It's like, how is it that? Because and I want
Speaker 1: to get into this, which I said in that rant,
Speaker 1: Let's focus our argument to who we should be talking to,
Speaker 1: who can tell these stories? Because the fact that like
Speaker 1: people's people would immediately say, Candis Parker from Chicago. And
Speaker 1: if you ask Candice Parker where she's from, number one,
Speaker 1: you're gonna say Naperville. Now that story should be told
Speaker 1: like that would be the equivalent of saying, now it's
Speaker 1: a little different, but it would be the equivalent of
Speaker 1: saying Lebron's from Cleveland and not telling the story of
Speaker 1: him being from Akron. Let you tell like, I'm from Naperville.
Speaker 1: Now that's Chicago, right, Like you still Chicago through and through,
Speaker 1: got the pride, grew up in it, all of that.
Speaker 1: But you're still gonna put on Naperville because that's going
Speaker 1: to get It's going to do way more for Naperville
Speaker 1: than if you just say Chicago, because of Chicago is
Speaker 1: a maze city. Right. Okay, So now who's telling these stories?
Speaker 1: Who's telling that Diana Tarassi's from the Ie right, Like
Speaker 1: why why does no one know these things? Because there
Speaker 1: are people out here that are in positionous to tell
Speaker 1: these stories that can help grow these games. I actually
Speaker 1: went ironically, it's women's empowerment. I went on this rent.
Speaker 1: There are women's empowerment, but I feel like there needs
Speaker 1: to be more of that. And if we can do that,
Speaker 1: now you start to grow the pot which is now
Speaker 1: you start to grow. If you grow in the revenue,
Speaker 1: you start to grow the dollars that goes to the athletes.
Speaker 1: I feel like we like, what needs to happen is
Speaker 1: need to go at those people. And that's just that's
Speaker 1: just my opinion. I don't know how you feel about that,
Speaker 1: but okay, I really feel like, why the NBA's greatest
Speaker 1: one because you guys are the most talented in the
Speaker 1: entire world at your craft, right, So you have to
Speaker 1: be good to what you just said in terms of
Speaker 1: telling stories and people being able to own who they
Speaker 1: are and tell their version of things, and you're encouraged
Speaker 1: to be you. Now, there was an era in NBA
Speaker 1: where it wasn't where they were like, Okay, you can't
Speaker 1: be this, you can't be that. We've had that in
Speaker 1: the domain day. Okay, then you move into this era
Speaker 1: where they're like social media. Wow, people fall in love
Speaker 1: with these players for different reasons. And you're not wearing
Speaker 1: a mask and you're not wearing a hat, and they're
Speaker 1: able to see you, and you're able to have the
Speaker 1: tunnel fits and be who you are and walk in
Speaker 1: with your son and people fall in love with that. Right.
Speaker 1: And I just feel like to some extent that we're
Speaker 1: in we're back into seventies and eighties when doctor Bust
Speaker 1: took a chance on investing in a product that nobody
Speaker 1: wanted and the players were pretty talented, right, players could
Speaker 1: ball and it was cool, but it was bigger than
Speaker 1: the game. It was the experience. It was the Laker girls,
Speaker 1: it was the club. It was feeling like you're a
Speaker 1: heart of something. It was getting stars to come and
Speaker 1: sit courtside and make it cool and beef, you know,
Speaker 1: fashionable in all these things. And I think the w
Speaker 1: BA needs to capitalize on that. The WBA needs to
Speaker 1: capitalize on that blueprint of being able to make it
Speaker 1: more than just the game of basketball. Because listening y'all play,
Speaker 1: I watched y'all play a hell of a lot of basketball,
Speaker 1: and get guess what, there's some games where it's not
Speaker 1: the best, but it's still the experience of it all.
Speaker 1: And I think having Adam Silver, love him, hate him, whatever,
Speaker 1: I feel like he listens to both star in the
Speaker 1: way that you all do the All Star game now,
Speaker 1: in the amount of time you have off after the
Speaker 1: All Star in not having a dress code, doing things
Speaker 1: like that, and that has grown the game. It doesn't
Speaker 1: have anything to do with rules. I mean, stupid take
Speaker 1: foule rule. I guess it is an adjustment to shooter,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't it has to do with the stuff
Speaker 1: outside of the game. I would like the wh that
Speaker 1: capitalize on that. No, And I think your example of
Speaker 1: doctor Bus is incredible because if you look at it
Speaker 1: back during those times when he made that investment and
Speaker 1: and took that chance, they were losing money at that time,
Speaker 1: and so I think everyone's argument is always going to
Speaker 1: be but you're losing money. But if you get an owner.
Speaker 1: And I've been out spoken about Mark Davis before with
Speaker 1: the Raiders, and I'll give credit where credit is due.
Speaker 1: I'm always just give my opinion and tell the truth
Speaker 1: is not really biased, it is what it is. I
Speaker 1: think what Mark Davis has done and is doing with
Speaker 1: the Aces, like I have the utmost respect for it
Speaker 1: because he's investing. He's investing into the product. And so
Speaker 1: I mean, let's face it, in any business that you start,
Speaker 1: you lose money to start it. That's any business, what
Speaker 1: you do, it doesn't matter any business. Yes, you're going
Speaker 1: to lose money at the inception. It's nowhere around it.
Speaker 1: If you are someone out there that can start a
Speaker 1: business and not lose money at the start, contact me.
Speaker 1: I got some money for you to start a business.
Speaker 1: But you're going to lose money. And so everyone's argument
Speaker 1: is always but you're losing money. So how can you
Speaker 1: ask for this? And what you're saying is be willing
Speaker 1: to invest the money and know that it will be
Speaker 1: a loss ultimately to grow the product where it can go.
Speaker 1: And so you may need new owners. That may be
Speaker 1: an issue. And that's a seam much transition into the
Speaker 1: elephant of the room. The hot topic of the latest
Speaker 1: offseason has been chartering. And you know what my question
Speaker 1: my answer to that, yes, do I want to charter? Yeah,
Speaker 1: But similar to the person that has five dollars in
Speaker 1: his pocket but has a Lamborghini that he got to
Speaker 1: fill up and do all this stuff, I don't want
Speaker 1: the I don't want the Lamborghini. I want more money,
Speaker 1: and so I think before that happens, players have to
Speaker 1: make more money because the product is going to be
Speaker 1: seen as better and more and exclusive the more money
Speaker 1: the players make. I mean to be honest, Like somebody
Speaker 1: walks in, you can be nobody if you want. A
Speaker 1: billionaire walks in the party, he don't get in. A
Speaker 1: billionaires don't fit into the party. So I just feel
Speaker 1: like I think that that is yes, I do want
Speaker 1: to charter. I think would make the grand great whatever.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about dollars and cents first, you know absolutely
Speaker 1: and one thing that you just spoke of and I
Speaker 1: want to get your take on this. I feel you
Speaker 1: spoke on on the how the w NBA is aligned.
Speaker 1: Do you think and I want to specifically ask this
Speaker 1: question because it'll take me somewhere else and you'll get
Speaker 1: what I'm going in a second, But do you think
Speaker 1: aligning the WNBA right next to the NBA is it?
Speaker 1: Is it ultimately beneficial because for instance, um, you know
Speaker 1: one guys to come to the games and support right,
Speaker 1: Like I understand the support thing, but is that actually
Speaker 1: what's going to help drive the product, which is a
Speaker 1: great product but gets overshadowed. Gamel, Can I ask you
Speaker 1: because we talk about verbiage a lot in usage of races, right,
Speaker 1: Like we always talk about the way people use to
Speaker 1: describe even somebody that's like Blacken as a shooter, the
Speaker 1: verbiage people used to describe that person is way different.
Speaker 1: Or when you're comparing players and I was trying to
Speaker 1: find a comparison like Greedy did right, and I was
Speaker 1: like immediately going race and it's like, no, what he
Speaker 1: Let's compare him to who he plays like, not race,
Speaker 1: like you know. And I think the burbage that we
Speaker 1: use for women a lot is support. Like when I
Speaker 1: go to your games, I'm not I don't type in
Speaker 1: my caption, I'm supporting the Warriors, right, I don't say that.
Speaker 1: I say I just pulled up to the Warriors game.
Speaker 1: It's dope, like my daughter, we're staying portside whatever. And
Speaker 1: it's like constantly the w NBA uses support in their caption.
Speaker 1: So I don't think aligning the w BA with a
Speaker 1: league one that is the NBA two that has been
Speaker 1: in existence for seventy six years, it's just not a
Speaker 1: good comparison. To begin with. And so while we do
Speaker 1: lean on other ballers, it's other basketball players. I don't
Speaker 1: think we need to like have that because I think
Speaker 1: comparison would I say the comparison comparison is the thief
Speaker 1: of all joy because you're not gonna get joined on
Speaker 1: the this if we're constantly comparing our All Star game.
Speaker 1: Our signature shoes are Brando basketball are Brando basketball, and
Speaker 1: points everybody wants to talk about we are low scoring?
Speaker 1: Will we play? We play forty minutes? Y'all play forty eight? No, Like,
Speaker 1: let's okay, so let's get into this, you know. And
Speaker 1: so then all of a sudden we're sitting there comparing like, okay,
Speaker 1: well how many once you think you scored? You played
Speaker 1: forty eight minutes around It's just it's not a good
Speaker 1: It's not going to end up well for us. And
Speaker 1: so I think it would be better to just differential
Speaker 1: differentiate ourselves from the NBA. Yes, for a while we
Speaker 1: needed all of this, but I think it would be
Speaker 1: better we have to some extent, like there's not many
Speaker 1: as teams that are affiliated with the NBA, but those
Speaker 1: teams usually are doing better, so you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's just I don't know it. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like it's beneficial urt one. So I'll be one hundred
Speaker 1: percent honest with you because why not. Like I'm always
Speaker 1: gonna be honest. And I am a big fan of
Speaker 1: women's basketball because I feel like I who being someone
Speaker 1: that appreciates fundamentals. If you want to see some fundamentals,
Speaker 1: you go watch women's basketball. And I don't say that
Speaker 1: in a negative way because you want to. You not
Speaker 1: want to see some fundamentals, go watch the NBA. Ain't
Speaker 1: no fundamentals involved. Like I mean, the great teams, you
Speaker 1: got fundamentals, but a lot of these teams suck and
Speaker 1: they don't have fundamentals. And I always say I like
Speaker 1: to when I want to watch good basketball, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go watch me some women's basketball because you're gonna see
Speaker 1: good basketball. And for me, that's what I appreciate. That's
Speaker 1: how I play the game. I like to play the
Speaker 1: game the right way. I actually stopped watching the w
Speaker 1: NBA over this whole support thing because I felt like
Speaker 1: it took away from me the reason that I was
Speaker 1: watching it. I was watching it because I enjoyed the game.
Speaker 1: I was watching it because like, there are certain players
Speaker 1: that I enjoy watching yourself, Chelsea dt Asia, like there
Speaker 1: are certain players that I want to see play as
Speaker 1: a fan of basketball suit like, and there's Brianna, Like,
Speaker 1: there's some players. But once it became all about like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: like you need to go support a w NBA game,
Speaker 1: I'm like and when I when I went, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: but this ain't really wild. Wanted to be here, Like
Speaker 1: I want to be here because I want to watch
Speaker 1: this game and it's a good game. And then also
Speaker 1: I have some friends in the w NBA, and I
Speaker 1: will go support a friend because guess what, I'll go
Speaker 1: support a friend in the play. So if I'm coming,
Speaker 1: like and I'm specifically coming to like I'm coming to
Speaker 1: the game to support CP. I may not be interested
Speaker 1: in that basketball game, but I'm going to come support
Speaker 1: a friend. That's a totally different thing than me sitting
Speaker 1: at the game on the NBA's instagram Draymond Green here
Speaker 1: to support the Las Vegas Aces or Draymond Green here
Speaker 1: to support the w NBA game. I started pulling the
Speaker 1: wave because with the support, then I felt like also
Speaker 1: came backlash and what I meant by backlash is this.
Speaker 1: I felt like when things happen a lot of times
Speaker 1: w NBA players, we have been like the ones being
Speaker 1: attacked about it. Okay, and I'm gonna I'm gonna fill in,
Speaker 1: sorry interrup, but I'm immediately I have a lot of
Speaker 1: NBA friends I do, and I immediately heard when Aerial
Speaker 1: Powers went at it when he signed on. And here's
Speaker 1: the thing, I think, to some extent, people are so
Speaker 1: quick to react and be defensive. So I have two
Speaker 1: takes on that. One. I know the deal twelve right,
Speaker 1: I know the deal twenty three? Like I know the deal.
Speaker 1: You call zero man at zero like y'all say that
Speaker 1: y'all by your number. I don't. I don't call Steph Steff.
Speaker 1: I call it a thirty up exactly, okay, Right, So
Speaker 1: I get that part where people feel attacked because they
Speaker 1: don't know the lingo of what's being said. I also
Speaker 1: get the other side where you are so tired of
Speaker 1: having to defend yourself against dudes that can't carry half
Speaker 1: of what you do every day and say they have
Speaker 1: all this game and come in and they shot is broker?
Speaker 1: Then how these people and you feel you go through
Speaker 1: TSA and you got to you gotta do this, five
Speaker 1: foot five come up to you talking crazy. So I
Speaker 1: see the defensive element it was directed in the wrong direction.
Speaker 1: But I also get tired as a w BA player
Speaker 1: of appreciating whatever whatever we get right. There's a number
Speaker 1: of times where I'm sure you jumped on somebody where
Speaker 1: there's been a different perspective right where you feel attacked
Speaker 1: and so you kind of lash out and like, you know,
Speaker 1: go at them. So I see in women's basketball all
Speaker 1: the time that occurring where you feel like, oh, what
Speaker 1: was that supposed you know, But also guys that are
Speaker 1: trying to do the right thing or are being steered
Speaker 1: in this support part of the game. And I couldn't
Speaker 1: agree more that I think for a long time we
Speaker 1: wasted time and dollars in marketing on trying to get
Speaker 1: the support from people that really didn't understand the beginning
Speaker 1: of basketball or didn't understand the WA at all. And
Speaker 1: so I mean, I value criticism in our game because
Speaker 1: I think there's with the more money, there's going to
Speaker 1: be more people that put time to get better. Let's
Speaker 1: just be honest, Like you saw people into eighties and
Speaker 1: nineties that were fat and out of shape coming to
Speaker 1: training camp that did nothing but rebound and run down
Speaker 1: the court. Could they have made their free those more
Speaker 1: or hit jump shots? Yeah, probably if they'd have worked
Speaker 1: on it. I guess why it ain't life changing money?
Speaker 1: What am I gonna still get in the gym for?
Speaker 1: I think we're going to see better product with the
Speaker 1: women's game because more people are gonna get in the gym,
Speaker 1: or people are going to try to get better at
Speaker 1: their cry. It drives me nuts. People that take the
Speaker 1: ship for granted. It drives me nuts. People that don't
Speaker 1: put their effort and energy into it. It drives me
Speaker 1: absolutely nuts. And so I guess from two ways, Like
Speaker 1: I I see what needs to be done. I see
Speaker 1: that women of support, but I also am competitive as
Speaker 1: hell and you know so I know I digress again,
Speaker 1: But I just think women sometimes we feel like it's
Speaker 1: a lose lose, you know absolutely, So in saying that,
Speaker 1: I think one thing you're saying, which I totally agree with,
Speaker 1: is your fan isn't gonna be the fan who likes
Speaker 1: somebody high flying, like no, your fan is going to
Speaker 1: be the fan that understands and appreciates basketball. Now, what
Speaker 1: I will say is this we are starting to see
Speaker 1: and you know, first girl dunking games and all of that,
Speaker 1: first woman dunking games, all of that. But like we
Speaker 1: are starting to see women be more and more athletic,
Speaker 1: and I think that goes into like the training that
Speaker 1: we're all that we're all getting now and all of
Speaker 1: those different things. But I said, I had to say
Speaker 1: this so when people say, and I know the answer
Speaker 1: to this, but these are for the listeners who don't
Speaker 1: know that. So when people say, lord a real, because
Speaker 1: if y'all was dunking more, then it'll be more entertaining
Speaker 1: and more people will come to the game and they
Speaker 1: will come support and it'll be more exciting. So lord
Speaker 1: a real, we should just talk to you. Just put
Speaker 1: on bikinis too, then, huh some of us, Um, I disagree,
Speaker 1: And I'm actually you know, people call me on this too.
Speaker 1: I mean, it would be beneficial for me to play
Speaker 1: with the same size ball. Y'all have two My hands
Speaker 1: suck at fitting on the small ball. Like, I'm a
Speaker 1: big believer in let's all play with the same ball.
Speaker 1: Now we can have a different color and make it ours,
Speaker 1: But I'm a big belief they're playing with the same ball.
Speaker 1: M I mean, listen, Jerymont, like, we gotta at some
Speaker 1: point you gotta kind of fight the battles you can fight.
Speaker 1: And it was I think the nineties was the last
Speaker 1: time that somebody out finally outlawed the half court. Like
Speaker 1: for a long time, women weren't like even allowed to
Speaker 1: run full court because they were they thought it was
Speaker 1: just too exhausting. We weren't running in marathons. We weren't allowed.
Speaker 1: I mean, we just got allowed to be athletes. And
Speaker 1: so I think it's just like one of those things
Speaker 1: where it's like can we have time? Can we can
Speaker 1: we have time where we don't have to fight for
Speaker 1: stuff and we can do what we do in ball
Speaker 1: and gain skill and all this stuff. And it's like
Speaker 1: we're trying to change all these elements of stuff. There's
Speaker 1: different styles of basketball. Some people don't like overseas basketball,
Speaker 1: but guess what, there's a whole crowd of people that do.
Speaker 1: Some people don't like the NBA and they like college.
Speaker 1: I personally cannot watch college until into a tournament, but
Speaker 1: there are some people that absolutely are fans of the NBA.
Speaker 1: That's me. There's some people that grow up and watch
Speaker 1: women's basketball and our fans of women's basketball, like, let's
Speaker 1: let our crowd be what it is. We don't have
Speaker 1: to go around changing everything. I think that's been the issue.
Speaker 1: It's been We've tried to change so much, like it
Speaker 1: can't be gay, it can't be a mom, can't be
Speaker 1: all these things. Like we've been told you can't be
Speaker 1: all these things for so long, and so I think
Speaker 1: we were so far away from our identity is who
Speaker 1: we are and the communities, like some of the strong,
Speaker 1: powerful people that come from the NBA are a result
Speaker 1: of them being able to be themselves. Absolutely. I mean
Speaker 1: I am a product of that exactly, myself this whole time, exactly.
Speaker 1: And there were players in the NBA that haven't always
Speaker 1: been able to do that, be that or have fought
Speaker 1: those battles to be able to help players in the
Speaker 1: future be who they are. And that's why your league
Speaker 1: is successful. Like we keep talking about the rules of
Speaker 1: the game, and it's like Draymon, I go and I
Speaker 1: watch the NBA all the time. I work at NBA TV,
Speaker 1: NBA on TNT all the time. There are games that
Speaker 1: are painful to watch. I agree, right, nobody's out there,
Speaker 1: everybody's out there running around whatever. Guess what, it's the swag,
Speaker 1: it's the tunnel walk, it's the rival, it's all these sayings.
Speaker 1: So like, stop trying to change rules within the game, Like,
Speaker 1: let's really focus on what the product is and what
Speaker 1: it can be. I think it's coming. I think dunking
Speaker 1: is going to become more prevalent um in the women's game,
Speaker 1: But it will never be the identity of the women's game,
Speaker 1: nor does it need to be. I don't think nor
Speaker 1: does it need to be. By the way, Duncan is
Speaker 1: then the identity of the NBA today three pointing and
Speaker 1: earlier on we spoke about um setting up things for
Speaker 1: after basketball, and you are well until your next thing.
Speaker 1: Not only have you set it up, but you're well
Speaker 1: into it. You're thriving at it. UM. Number one, congratulations.
Speaker 1: It's crazy that we're saying this in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: but but to be the first woman on the All
Speaker 1: Star broadcast, UM absolutely amazing. You know, as a basketball fan, well,
Speaker 1: all Star weekend means to us. So I just want
Speaker 1: to say congratulations to you on that number one. Secondly,
Speaker 1: what's what's TV been for you? Like, I know for me?
Speaker 1: UM for me, if I'm being honest, doing TV and
Speaker 1: podcasts and stuff actually helped me recapture my love of
Speaker 1: basketball because it allowed me to get back to speaking
Speaker 1: about the game and it's purity and to kind of
Speaker 1: get away from the business of it all and just
Speaker 1: speak about and just appreciate the game. What is going
Speaker 1: on TV? What has that been for you? Well, first,
Speaker 1: as a dream, because I think it's the second best job.
Speaker 1: I think playing is the best job ever, and I
Speaker 1: think talking about basketball I do that anyway. I'm a
Speaker 1: basketball junkie. I go home, it's always on television. We
Speaker 1: can watch a whole game, and I'm gonna watch the
Speaker 1: round up a Sports Center of NBA game time, whatever
Speaker 1: comes next, I'm gonna watch it, even though I just
Speaker 1: watched the whole game and probably gonna watch it again.
Speaker 1: Like that's just I am a junkie for NBA basketball.
Speaker 1: I'm a junkie for just sports in general, football, like
Speaker 1: you go down the line. So I think television for
Speaker 1: me was that ability to stay connected to the game.
Speaker 1: And I feel like I've had the upbringing of being
Speaker 1: around a table with brothers and us arguing without Google,
Speaker 1: Like we couldn't google the stuff that we were arguing.
Speaker 1: We just argued and we had points and things like that.
Speaker 1: So I think once I got on television, especially for Turner,
Speaker 1: where it's encouraged for you to have your point of view,
Speaker 1: for you to share your point of view, for you
Speaker 1: to debate, for you to argue, and I'm doing it
Speaker 1: with people that I've looked up to and grown up watching,
Speaker 1: and so I think it was just one of those
Speaker 1: surreal moments where I get to do this, you know.
Speaker 1: And I'm not telling myself that just to say it either.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying like, hey, I get to do this,
Speaker 1: and I'm telling myself to you know, push through days. No,
Speaker 1: I get to be on television, have a platform and
Speaker 1: share my opinion and talk about a game that I
Speaker 1: love and get paid to do it. So I just
Speaker 1: think it's a unique position because I'm able to play
Speaker 1: and still commentate on the game, and so I think
Speaker 1: it's made me a better basketball player. But it's also
Speaker 1: made me a better commentator because I know the commentators
Speaker 1: I don't care for, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: I know I know the commentators that rub me the
Speaker 1: wrong way when you make it like extremely personal or
Speaker 1: you would attack me or you you know, degrade or
Speaker 1: demean what I've tried to accomplish, what I'm doing, or
Speaker 1: my intention, or you don't know something and you try
Speaker 1: to act like you know the whole story. And so
Speaker 1: I think it's made me a better person, like as
Speaker 1: a basketball player, but also as a commentator in the
Speaker 1: way that I'm able to critique individuals and stuff like that. No,
Speaker 1: I can appreciate that because I know in me doing this,
Speaker 1: one of my biggest fears was like to not be
Speaker 1: the guys that I hate here and talk. And you
Speaker 1: can very easily fall into that if you're not careful,
Speaker 1: because it's accepted like and like yeah and and and
Speaker 1: it'll is in some cases it'll get you a boost.
Speaker 1: But I never wanted to be that guy. So I
Speaker 1: can appreciate that. But um, you know, we both have
Speaker 1: we have the honor of being teammates Turner Sports. UM
Speaker 1: want someone who recently just left, but Tara August, who
Speaker 1: um kind of gave me an opportunity to come in
Speaker 1: this and who I'm very appreciative. Can you speak to
Speaker 1: me about ar August And quite frankly, you've had the
Speaker 1: opportunity to work with her more than I have. But
Speaker 1: can you speak to me about Tara. Tara August is
Speaker 1: one of those people that is so talented, so personal,
Speaker 1: and we talk about how Ernie Johnson has set the
Speaker 1: culture at Turner from the talent standpoint of that everybody's
Speaker 1: going to come in, be respectful, have fun, uplift and
Speaker 1: empower others, like you talk about that, and that's Tara
Speaker 1: on the business side, like in terms of relationships and
Speaker 1: just caring, like there's nobody that cares more than she does.
Speaker 1: And it's the little things, you know, Like I think
Speaker 1: she has done so much in her career, but she
Speaker 1: still wants to empower and uplift others, you know. And
Speaker 1: even though she's not a part of Turner anymore, we
Speaker 1: still talk obviously, and I know she's gonna like take
Speaker 1: over the world. Like that's just that's just how it is.
Speaker 1: And I always look at people because I think the
Speaker 1: way that you demand and command respect is directly related
Speaker 1: to the way that you give it. And I think
Speaker 1: that Tara gives respect. I mean, and she she has
Speaker 1: a way of like not, can I say this, She
Speaker 1: has a way of not She's done so much, she
Speaker 1: has so many things that she's accomplished. She's so great
Speaker 1: at what she does, but she doesn't want people to
Speaker 1: like know that, you know, and she doesn't want her
Speaker 1: lead with that. And I also see eye to eye
Speaker 1: with her as well, because she's always in a room
Speaker 1: full of men. Yeah, you know, absolutely, And and I
Speaker 1: think he carries herself the same way regardless. And I
Speaker 1: really admire people like that. So Terre's dope. She's the
Speaker 1: best human. Yes, she's super dope. I'm very appreciative her,
Speaker 1: like I said, and just giving me the opportunity encounter
Speaker 1: seeing it, like, yo, you should be doing this. And
Speaker 1: and she's brutally honest, which I can always appreciate because
Speaker 1: as you know, you get to a space of word
Speaker 1: you run into like the issue of like finding people
Speaker 1: that will be honest with you. And I can always
Speaker 1: appreciate her for one opportunity into like, no matter what,
Speaker 1: she's going to be brutally honest and obviously great at
Speaker 1: what she does. Like you know, when every everyone will
Speaker 1: always see Ernie Kenny, Chuck, shot yourself, Jamal out of
Speaker 1: myself at times, they see that, they don't see terror
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, making all of that goal of that work.
Speaker 1: The battles that she have to fight for that to
Speaker 1: be what it is. And because of that, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying about for sure. So I can definitely appreciate her,
Speaker 1: and I've taken enough of your time. But before we
Speaker 1: get out of here, how much longer do I get
Speaker 1: appreciate your game and what you're doing. See, I came
Speaker 1: in the league and I've been able to do what
Speaker 1: I do, and quite frankly, you did way more and
Speaker 1: all of that everybody talk about, like the point for
Speaker 1: a position. You've been doing that since I can remember
Speaker 1: watching you play basketball, and like the brain, the smarts, rebounding,
Speaker 1: blocking shots, like shooting the three, leading the break rush,
Speaker 1: setting up the offense, like you're someone that I watched,
Speaker 1: and like, how much longer do I get to enjoy
Speaker 1: you playing? Well, here's the thing I always said, it's
Speaker 1: going to be in the off season that I know,
Speaker 1: you know, I think when I can't prepare and train
Speaker 1: the way that I know that I should, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna cheat the game. And I've said that from the
Speaker 1: get go. I will not cheat the game. I will
Speaker 1: not be one of those players where you like cannas
Speaker 1: like that's not gonna happen. So I will say it
Speaker 1: is coming to that point. I'm also not a big
Speaker 1: like go to half court and get at every guy.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that. But I don't know. And
Speaker 1: I will say there's way more basketball behind me than
Speaker 1: in front of me, and it's coming. But I'm learning
Speaker 1: to enjoy the process that much more, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying the daily grind that much more. So it's
Speaker 1: Leila ready for you to be done. That's a really
Speaker 1: good question. She was all for this Vegas move because
Speaker 1: baby girls followed me everywhere in the world. Right. She
Speaker 1: starts high school next year. Pretty damn good volleyball player,
Speaker 1: to be honest, don't tell her. I said that she
Speaker 1: decided to do volleyball. She could do it, and it's
Speaker 1: time for me to choose her. If I'm still playing,
Speaker 1: it's still got to be about her now. You know,
Speaker 1: she's following me around long enough, and so, like I said,
Speaker 1: I think it would be great to be able to
Speaker 1: be at home and be one hundred percent present for
Speaker 1: her and my son, you know. And so I'm not
Speaker 1: going to be the one that's forty something plan. It's
Speaker 1: just start working to be honest with you. Drem on,
Speaker 1: like maybe I'll be forty something plan making thirty year
Speaker 1: forty million dollars, but I ain't will be forty something
Speaker 1: plan liken what we make. So I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: I only I mean. Obviously we are fortunate enough to
Speaker 1: make it more. But I got four more left in me.
Speaker 1: I've fifteen has always been my magic number. And it's
Speaker 1: like the closer I get to fifteen, I can agree
Speaker 1: with what you're saying. The more I inspired I get
Speaker 1: to get to fifteen, like and um and like I
Speaker 1: want to get to fifteen, and God willing I can
Speaker 1: get to fifteen. And after year fifteen, they're like, yo,
Speaker 1: so about this next deal? And I can say thank you,
Speaker 1: but no thank you, like because my kids, you know,
Speaker 1: like my kids like I want to go to Australia,
Speaker 1: I want to go to Dubai. I can't go to
Speaker 1: Australia and Dubai because when the whin it's the season
Speaker 1: to go there, we're in season. Like there are and
Speaker 1: those are small examples, but like, there's just so many
Speaker 1: things that I want to do that a basketball schedule
Speaker 1: not allow you to do. So I feel you like
Speaker 1: I feel you like CP. Thank you so much. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you. Appreciate I gotta I gotta cut you in
Speaker 1: bones at some points, wine and some bones. We can
Speaker 1: do that for sure. I'm always looking for somebody to
Speaker 1: beat up on on the bones. Oh, I cannot wait.
Speaker 1: Y'all heard it here first. I'm telling you you um
Speaker 1: before we get out of here. You're a Michael Jordan fan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm him at Dominoes, just so you know. So there's
Speaker 1: your warning him Michael Jeffrey Jordans. Oh, jeff Michael Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Jordan's Chicago Bulls number twenty three. Him at Dominoes, like
Speaker 1: him at basketball. I am him at Dominoes. So that's
Speaker 1: your warning. Are you him in the eighties, Because you
Speaker 1: could beat him in the eighties, you're not gonna win.
Speaker 1: M H two three peaks. I am him as you're warning.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. See, if you are appreciate you
Speaker 1: appreciate you