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Speaker 3: for an hour plus. John Middlecoff, former NFL scout, has

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Speaker 3: his own podcasts three and Out. It is Sunday. There's

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Speaker 3: a lot to talk about. Listen, Let's let's start with

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Speaker 3: a non competitive game. Rams forty two, Niners twenty. It's

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Speaker 3: just amazing. The Rams are the least penalized team in

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Speaker 3: the league. No penalties in this This is one of

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Speaker 3: those things when I used to cover the Patriots, right,

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Speaker 3: I was when I was on the East Coast. They

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Speaker 3: went years and I was always like, nobody fumbles for

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Speaker 3: New England and I used to tell friends, I'm like,

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Speaker 3: is it a stickham thing? People would field on the ball?

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Speaker 3: An they're well coached the Rams for the second year

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Speaker 3: of the least penalized team, you go into a heated

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Speaker 3: rivalry game, no penalties, no turnovers. My take is obviously

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Speaker 3: the Niners were all banged up, but it is so efficient.

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Speaker 3: You can see the coaching with the Rams. That's what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the forty nine ers, their defense is

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Speaker 2: and you're a good team, you score in every drive

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Speaker 2: and that's essentially what the Rams did. And Stafford is

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Speaker 2: a dominant player, right now. I mean, he's a legitimate

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Speaker 2: He's probably had some years. I have to really dive in,

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Speaker 2: but this feels like his highest level of play consistently

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Speaker 2: Remember McVeigh all offseason said, listen, we value what because

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Speaker 2: of our money situation, we are underpaying Matt Stafford and

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Speaker 2: we know it. They approach this offseason with him much

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Speaker 2: different than they did years ago with the golf situation.

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Speaker 2: They were just transparent about it. They're like, we know

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Speaker 2: we technically have to underpay him. We know he's better

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Speaker 2: than what we're He's maying forty million dollars a year.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Trevor Lawrence makes more than him, right, Tua

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Speaker 2: makes more than him, Perty makes more than him. So

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Speaker 2: he is Pukah is an incredible talent and and him

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Speaker 2: have that. He has like a Rogers level rapport with.

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Speaker 3: Him immediately immediately he had no training camp. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, I forgot about that because the back

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Speaker 2: we're on a collision course right now. We're recording this

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Speaker 2: obviously before the Monday night game, so we'll see the

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Speaker 2: Eagles and the Packers. But I would say the Rams

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Speaker 2: in Seattle look like they're playing at a really high level.

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Speaker 2: The forty nine ers offense actually is playing at a

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Speaker 2: really high level. It's just defense that they're rolling out

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, if you looked at the box

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Speaker 3: score and didn't look at the score and watch the game, Niners,

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Speaker 3: move the ball. I'll say this about Mac Jones. You know,

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Speaker 3: Mac Jones is a big, sturdy kid. I think he

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Speaker 3: It's like I would have no problem as a bridge

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Speaker 3: if I was an NFLGM or a coach. He's one

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Speaker 2: Quarterback inflation are back in the nineties. Mac doesn't have

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Speaker 2: those physical attributes. But he's an NFL starting quarterback. But

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Speaker 2: he's on a two year contract. Count did you see

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Speaker 2: and I just went. I actually don't think it's that

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Speaker 2: controversial to say Pretty's tow doesn't work. He can't even

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Speaker 2: what happened LT. That's the injury he has. He's got

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Speaker 2: if he's compromised. Mac Jones is keep playing to me,

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Speaker 2: Mac Jones plays the rest of the season. And you know,

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Speaker 2: the crazy thing is, Colin, we're not that far away

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Speaker 2: I think he's too valuable to the forty nine. He

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Speaker 3: Oh and the Niners will get calls on Matt Jones.

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Speaker 2: And they'll say and Kyle, Kyle's been open about it.

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Speaker 2: He wanted to take him, and then I think as

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Speaker 3: Colin no, no, I mean I'm impressed with mac Jones.

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Speaker 3: And the other thing we saw in the late window

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Speaker 3: when raw usters get depleted, which they do November on

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Speaker 3: and Mac, I'm telling you max If Max a backup,

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Speaker 3: late window, this is something I've been on now for years. John.

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Speaker 3: The bottom of the NFL by November looks like the

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Speaker 3: so quarterback dependent when if you don't have a star quarterback,

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Speaker 3: because everybody's I mean the Rams are lucky, they don't

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Speaker 3: Buy and large. Everybody's banged up right now. Everybody's dinged up.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's just the way the league is. It

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Speaker 3: The Jackson Dart concussion today, the constant blue tent visits

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Speaker 2: I think it worries me. With all these young quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: they all have a style. You know, I would say

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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams style is the same thing. He's just built

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Speaker 2: more like a like a tank. They all scramble around

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Speaker 2: this is the new age. We watch football every Saturday

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Speaker 2: To me, the Jackson Dart the play that he got

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Speaker 2: So when you're calling those plays and the guy's name's

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Speaker 2: mean there were a lot of plays. The strength of

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Speaker 2: Well, well, to me, the Bears game, if that had

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you saw some of that Wisconsin. You know,

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Speaker 2: don't judge scores. You know you're not gonna hit many

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Speaker 2: Brian Daboll was right about the quarterback he liked. Problem

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Speaker 2: But man's it's hard to it's hard to kind of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's nothing on these New York football teams. It's

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Speaker 2: I think didn't have one hundred yards today total and

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Speaker 2: threw it right to the wide receipt or to the cornerback.

428
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,160
Speaker 2: They had an awful fumble early in the game when

429
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 2: they were driving. They just looked lost. And that's the

430
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 2: type game when your main rival, now who's back, is

431
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 2: winning and now has a lead, kind of a commanding

432
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 2: lead because they already beat you and their scheduled so

433
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 2: easy so they're not going away. Andy, you just look

434
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,360
Speaker 2: big picture, this is going to be the worst team

435
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 2: of the Verbel Era for the next couple of years

436
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 2: when you factor in how young it is. Right, you

437
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 2: just listened to a couple of guys that just started

438
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 2: playing their left tackle. It's his rookie year. Their quarterback

439
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 2: is his second year. This is the first year of

440
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 2: the coaching staffs together. So like their ros pointing up,

441
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 2: and I think it kind of reflects that the Bills

442
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,119
Speaker 2: can really get up for the Chiefs. And for whatever reason,

443
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,360
Speaker 2: I remember hearing like Houston Rockets, maybe because Kenny Smith say,

444
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,120
Speaker 2: you know, the sad part is right when we got

445
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,159
Speaker 2: good Jordan retired. They could never stop a keep and

446
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,360
Speaker 2: we always played the Bulls well and if we ever

447
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 2: saw them, we would have stopped that streak because they

448
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 2: would have had no shot because they had no center.

449
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 2: We were a team that we played them really well.

450
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 2: And some in basketball it happens a lot, right, your

451
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 2: matchup football kind of happens sometimes, but if you're good

452
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 2: enough whatever, for whatever reason, the Bills match up because

453
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 2: their pass rush is good. They treat that game in

454
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 2: the regular season like the Super Bowl. They just look

455
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 2: like the best team in the league when they play

456
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,640
Speaker 2: the Chiefs, yep, before and after then they look much

457
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 2: more pedestrian. Today though, was I don't know. I mean,

458
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 2: I felt like it was one of the more embarrassing

459
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 2: performances of the Allen Sean McDermott little air or I

460
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 2: think it may be the most.

461
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 3: I thought maybe they lost a few years ago at

462
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,719
Speaker 3: home on the opener to the Steelers and they were

463
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 3: a favorite, and I was like, what in the hell

464
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 3: is that? I thought that game against the Saints this

465
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 3: year it was competitive. I was like, Oh, what would

466
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 3: bother me today? Is that Miami in the first half

467
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 3: average six and a half yards to play. So in

468
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 3: my take is it would be one thing if the

469
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 3: offence sputtered your defensive coach, John, I've been on this forever.

470
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 3: What do you do with your side of the ball?

471
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 3: That wasn't just Josh Allen like that defense had no energy.

472
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 3: That defense, I mean it just they generated this incredible

473
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 3: pass rush against Kansas City and really, I mean two

474
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 3: is one of the easiest guys to rush in the league,

475
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 3: and he had time to throw. They ran the ball.

476
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 2: Is in New England? Are you taking New England. As

477
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 2: we said here today, do you think New England.

478
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,959
Speaker 3: New England's got the better coach. I think New England

479
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 3: and now with Williams and Trayvon Henderson, it's like, oh,

480
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 3: I feel like New England now is on the up,

481
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,199
Speaker 3: like they're an AS sending team. I don't think Buffalo is.

482
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 3: I mean, we forget before that Kansas City game, I

483
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 3: mean we'd seen them Buffalo go to Atlanta and get worked.

484
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 3: I mean, they've had that Saints game they want at

485
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 3: home was troubling, Like they've had a lot of Somebody

486
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 3: told me this in the league at the beginning of

487
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 3: the year. They said, Buffalo doesn't have nearly the roster

488
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 3: people give it credit for. They're like James Cook, Josh

489
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 3: Allen Oliver, the defensive lineman, who's like, who's hurt. They're like,

490
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 3: you know, Dawkins the left tackle. I was talking to

491
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 3: it an executive league and he's like, you know, he

492
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 3: goes the better rosters or the Rams and the Eagles

493
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 3: and the Lions and the Packers, and Kansas City's like Ravens.

494
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 3: He's like, Buffalo's roster's not that good. Josh left tackle, quarterback,

495
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 3: running back, interior d Lineman. That's why they went and

496
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 3: got Bosa. I mean, they've drafted a lot, a lot

497
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 3: of draft capital on their defense. That's why they went

498
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 3: and got Bosa, who played well against you know, Kansas City,

499
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 3: Seattle forty four, Arizona twenty two. It was thirty five nothing,

500
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 3: So you know, it's just impossible to keep that up.

501
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 3: And Darnold had a couple of just like funny like

502
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 3: bizarre turnovers that ball bounces off a tight ends helmet.

503
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna throw this to you. I got

504
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 3: Pete Carroll and John Snyder. You know this battled. They battled,

505
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 3: and there was a little tug of war on Pete's

506
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 3: kid and John Snyder. And I'm not going to go

507
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 3: into too many details, but Pete and John John almost

508
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 3: left for Detroit, remember that years ago because he wanted

509
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,719
Speaker 3: his final say. Well, since Pete's been out of the building,

510
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 3: John Snyder's two drafts have been a plus, a plus

511
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 3: he is now doing and I think John Jason Light,

512
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 3: Howie Roseman, how he's a deal maker. I'm not sure

513
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 3: there's many guys better than John Snyder at just personnel

514
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 3: college personnel drafting it there's not a lot of guys better. Again,

515
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 3: I think Jason light and Tampa's are really good. That's

516
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 3: Seattle roster. I wrote this down young, fast, physical. You

517
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 3: can turn the sound down. John against Washington and against Arizona,

518
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 3: it looks like a college mismatch. They are so fast,

519
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 3: they are so physical. Donald's in total control of the offense.

520
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 3: Play action, run game, deep game. I don't see the whole.

521
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,959
Speaker 3: I really don't see the whole with this team. They

522
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 3: drafted that safety. That kid's a banger of the South

523
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 3: Carolina safety. I don't see the weakness with a team.

524
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 2: I think the point of difference they have that obviously

525
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 2: play the Rams is upcoming week, which is an incredible game,

526
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: is their dbs are good and the Rams aren't. I

527
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: think that's the difference because the offenses are both elite.

528
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: Pass rushes are awesome. Coaching staff's high end. If you

529
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 2: and me were the NFL, like in college, how they

530
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 2: have the College Football Committee and he rank them one

531
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 2: through twelve. I would rank Seattle after this week number one.

532
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 2: They would be my number one team, and you just

533
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 2: if you just watch them without the sound on. Obviously today,

534
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 2: but over the last couple of weeks, the team speed

535
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: in which they had. I think the the Lob team

536
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 2: with Pete was probably the most physical team I've ever

537
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: seen live. I do think the fastest team I've ever

538
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: seen live is the Peyton Manning Denver Broncos. Their defense,

539
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: every single guy could run fast defensive lot. It was

540
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: DeMarcus Ware, von Miller, Wolf, Malik Jackson, Trevathan they had

541
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 2: a key to leap, but their speed and physicality was

542
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 2: just I've never seen anything, and I've saw him live

543
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: a bunch of times. This team has some similarities to

544
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: those two teams who are kind of taken the league

545
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 2: by storm. Every guy, I mean, like you said, em

546
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: and Worry he's like six. He is their potential Kyle Hamilton.

547
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 2: But they already had some good dbs right they drafted

548
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 2: the kid Witherspoon from Illinois. They already had Woolan. Obviously,

549
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: their their linebacker play is fast. Once they got Ernest Jones,

550
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: they're they're head coach. I mean, we talked so much,

551
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: and rightfully so about these offensive coaches. He's got a

552
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 2: chance to be pretty special. His demeanor, he has a

553
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 2: very modern demeanor, you know, like when you watch Vrabel.

554
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: Rabel is not the throwback of like what I grew

555
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: up on guys screaming he doesn't he's not is maybe

556
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: he's a players coach. Yeah, when the doors are shut.

557
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: I think he's on him in the meetings. But on

558
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 2: the sideline, he's very common collected. I would say, Mike McDonald.

559
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 2: It almost feels like is he on a couple of

560
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: zanies or something like it?

561
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: Show?

562
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 2: But he he there's no he because he knows like

563
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: he is. He is very common. His team reflects that.

564
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 2: And I would say this their personnel move of trading

565
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 2: Gino and signing Sam has got a chance to be

566
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 2: an all timer. I mean that's got a chance to

567
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: be because they didn't give Sam. I mean he's gonna

568
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: end up probably. I mean he's not going anywhere for

569
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: a while. They gave him one hundred million dollars over

570
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: three years. I mean it's relative to the other contracts

571
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: we've seen Colin around five million guaranteed.

572
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 3: So the salary, the cap hit is just nothing.

573
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: JSN looks like Jerry Rice. I knew the guy was good,

574
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: but this year he is. It's like Pooka by the way,

575
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: right when but now this guy was we knew more

576
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: about Jsn Than pooka Ohio State and first round pick.

577
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: But you knew after a couple of weeks Puka was

578
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: a rookie, Like is this real? And then it just

579
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: never stopped. You know jas N like, is he really

580
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: this good? In every single week? It's like he's unstoppable.

581
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: And Jaysen was like a five star recruit first round

582
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 3: I think it was a first round receiver. I think yeah,

583
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 3: the only question was is he a one? Everybody knew

584
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 3: it was really good. Now you're like, yeah, he's just

585
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 3: contested catches speed. Then they go get Rashid's heat from

586
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 3: New Orleans and you know that he now has the

587
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator that he had in New Orleans. Now he's

588
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: in Seattle again. This is a big play offense. What

589
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 3: I like about Seattle they can grind you down. If

590
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 3: they have a lead, they can run the football up

591
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 3: they have a lead. They're a big play offense. They

592
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 3: can play from behind. You know, I'm just I'm writing

593
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 3: this down throughout the course of the game. Jasn first

594
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 3: receiver to one thousand. It's not that weird with Seattle

595
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 3: where they averaged six and a half to seven yard

596
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: to play like it happens regularly, and there is something

597
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 3: to be said of trusting your eyes. I think this

598
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 3: is now even more than Mike McDonald. I think it's

599
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 3: John Snyder's organization. And I've texted Snyder a couple of times.

600
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 3: He travels. I mean he's at every weekend. He is

601
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 3: a you got to go to these games. Like they

602
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 3: always say, to sell a company, you have to take

603
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 3: a thousand meetings. John Snyder's on a plane every weekend.

604
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 3: He doesn't scout off the TV or film. He wants

605
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: to go to the games. And I mean they're just

606
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,239
Speaker 3: when I watch them play. I'm like, when you're a

607
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 3: big playoffense and your quarterback has mobility, so you can

608
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 3: go down the field. The quarterback, you can move the pocket,

609
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: you can grind people with a lead. You know, it's

610
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 3: like Detroit if GoF had mobility, and that's the whole

611
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 3: Like GoF doesn't, but Detroit's a big playoffense and can

612
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 3: grind you down. Just think of Detroit's offense and then

613
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: if Jared Goff could move, you'd be like, shit, what

614
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 3: do you do? But we've seen Detroit do that for

615
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 3: three years. I think Seattle, like if you don't pay

616
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: attention like we do. Obviously, people that do this for

617
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 3: a living shit, man, they're they're embarrassing teams these How

618
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 3: often do you get a thirty five nothing lead in

619
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 3: the first half of a pro football game?

620
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: And Arizona had been playing well, even their records not

621
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: that great, they have been in every single game they

622
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: played this year. A week ago they easily could be

623
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: you know, coming into this game, they could have been

624
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: six and three. I would say the thing with John Schneider,

625
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 2: when you think about we talk about offensive coaches, You're like,

626
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 2: if JJ can't play for Kevin O'Connell, that's a JJ issue,

627
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: not a Kevin issue, Right, If you can't play for

628
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan, that's a you issue because and and that

629
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: skill is why those guys are going to be paid

630
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: at the top of the market until they retire from

631
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: the NFL. John Schneider start, he was the guy that

632
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: pounded the table for peak against Pete Carroll for Brussell

633
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: Wilson and ultimately got him to relent and draft him. Obviously,

634
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 2: that changed the course of their franchise when they pivoted

635
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: off Russell, and remember John wanted to do it earlier.

636
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: Try to trade him to the Cleveland Browns so he

637
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: could draft Josh Allen. That's what he was gonna take.

638
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: Then he trades for Gino or he gets Gino as

639
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: the backup, and they were cool with like, I think

640
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: we can handle this for a little bit, and he

641
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: was right. Gino was actually and they got Drew Locke.

642
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: Remember they won a Monday night football game against the

643
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: Eagles with Drew lock who is the worst of this

644
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: whole group. And then he pivots to Sam Darnold. Like

645
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: I would say, as a quarterback evaluator, John schniders as

646
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: good as it gets from a GM perspective. And if

647
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 2: that's going to be the guy that you're going to

648
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: invest most of your money into as a franchise, his skill,

649
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 2: let alone his ability to build the team, it's I mean,

650
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: this is now like how many different iterations of the team,

651
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: the lob team. Remember then they transitioned in the late

652
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: twenty tens. They were still good, you know, they weren't

653
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: they weren't going to Super Bowls, but they were never

654
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: They didn't have four win seasons, they were winning nine

655
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 2: to eleven games. And now, I mean, what do they

656
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: look like to you? A fourteen win team. I mean,

657
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: who's there if Devine to Adams who kind of hurt

658
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: his back at the end of the game. We have

659
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: to monitor that throughout the week. I like see. I

660
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: think that's gonna be a tough way.

661
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 3: Tough, sharpest young boys in college football. Josh Paate. I

662
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 3: love having him on. I got to tell you, through

663
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 3: the years, when I talked to most of my sources

664
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 3: aren't players or coaches. They've always been executives. Because I

665
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 3: probably absurdly of Oa's fashion myself is if I didn't

666
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 3: do this, I'd want to be a GM, not a coach,

667
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 3: not a player. I like all the architecture of building stuff,

668
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: and when you talk to them about players. I remember

669
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: when Josh Allen came out of Wyoming and I would

670
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 3: talk to gms and they're like, Okay, did you see

671
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 3: the throw against You know it wasn't against Oregon or Iowa.

672
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 3: There's a throw and it was. It's remarkable how often

673
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 3: it's a play, a moment, a drive and a scout

674
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,239
Speaker 3: goes Okay. The Penn State game for Sam Darnold at

675
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 3: the Rose Bowl, that's the one everybody went, whoa, whoa,

676
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 3: this is? This is different Fernando Mendoza. So first of all,

677
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 3: he was going to go to Yale. He settled on

678
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 3: col So the kids obviously in Indiana's a good school.

679
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 3: So we know he's got brain power. We know he's

680
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 3: six five, we know all that stuff. That last drive

681
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: on the road, Penn State couldn't run face. The defense

682
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: made three throws, the one in the back of the

683
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 3: end zone. Like I'm like, Okay, that's a Sunday player.

684
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 3: That's not normal. That's Herbert at Oregon, you know, carrying

685
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 3: average people around him. Not average, but cause I think

686
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 3: I think Indiana's got good players. They don't have Ohio

687
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 3: State guys. Maybe, But I watched that drive and I'm like, oh,

688
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 3: he has to come out. That's the number one player

689
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 3: in college football. I don't care about Ohio State's linebackers

690
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: and corners. That's the impression it had on me. It

691
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 3: was just sitting on the couch going, oh my god,

692
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 3: this looks like Sunday. What was your takeaway on it?

693
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: I thought it was there are very few moments like this,

694
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: But I was watching it in an airport. First off,

695
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: seeing a big sporting moment, seeing a big football moment

696
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: in an airport. It's always unique because it's really a

697
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: unique setting and you're not there often if you cover

698
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: the game. So that was Number one, was just to

699
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: take away of how surreal it is that, Wow, the

700
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: entire world's fixated on Indiana football in this moment. I

701
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: thought it was one of those moments where you see

702
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: someone come of age, like you know someone's got potential

703
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, it just happens. Right,

704
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: And sometimes it's just a moment, Like sometimes guys just

705
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: hit a lucky shot or make a lucky throat, but

706
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: it's rare. You don't get lucky three times like that

707
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 1: on the same drive. It's something that's in you. It's

708
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: potential you have, and it's not that he hasn't shown flashes.

709
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: If you're paying attention to college football, right, you knew

710
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: about him. If you're paying attention to the Mott drafts,

711
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: you know about him. But you've been waiting for that. Okay, So,

712
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: like you were talking about scouting there, I've always sort

713
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: of disagreed with the approach of boiling down a player

714
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: in your mind to like highlight culture, like I think

715
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: of one or two grows. I've always wanted to shave

716
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: the best and the worst off and take what's in

717
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: the middle, and that's the player. And that's hundreds and

718
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of plays. But with Mendoza, he's lesser

719
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: known to the general public. You just I guarantee you

720
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: there's a whole army of college football fans out there

721
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: that know the name Fernando Mendoza and they know he's

722
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: the quarterback in Indiana. They probably hadn't even watched him

723
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: a whole lot. That was when they saw him, and

724
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: that that matters for your Heisman crowd, But that also

725
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: matters for that locker room. It's one thing to go

726
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: in there and win thirty eight to ten like A

727
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: and M just went and took care of Missouri and

728
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: Marcel Reid didn't have to do on that Saturday what

729
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza did. And I just could not help. But

730
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 1: in the moments afterwards, go back to Oregon. Last year,

731
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: Oregon just goes wire to wire undefeated. Yeah, that one,

732
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: like close games early before they got their act together

733
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: and they go undefeated and they're totally clean, and they

734
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: go in the playoff first round by and then they

735
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: get Ohio State and they just get drug and that

736
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: was the first time and they really tasted their blood,

737
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: and Indiana looked like they were on a trajectory to

738
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: maybe do that, and instead they didn't have to suffer

739
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: the consequences of loss, but they dealt with something. They

740
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: dealt with having a crawl over broken glass to get

741
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: a win. And I mean, I'm never going to be

742
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: in a major college football locker room as a player,

743
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: but I cannot imagine what that flight home was like.

744
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what it's like to look in the mirror.

745
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: Man as him, Just look in the mirror. Everyone's been

746
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: talking you up. But sometimes there can be a little

747
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: imposter syndrome, there can be a little self doubt. There

748
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: can be none of that with him anymore. It was

749
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 1: amazing to watch.

750
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, great second half. Penn State marched up and down

751
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 3: the field with their backup quarterback over and over and over,

752
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 3: and you were like, oh my, we got, we got.

753
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 3: I almost tweeted, who's your daddy? I was so close

754
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 3: to the play on words. I was like, we're gonna,

755
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 3: We're gonna get an upset. And then he took that

756
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 3: ball and I was just like, wow, that's impressive. You know,

757
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 3: the this weekend. Oklahoma Bama. I like Bama, Iowa, USC

758
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 3: take the points. I think it's twenty seven twenty six

759
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 3: either way. Iowa was a tough matchup on USC, Texas, Georgia.

760
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 3: I'll take Georgia. I want to talk about Kaylen de Bor.

761
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 3: That's all I want to talk about. So I said,

762
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 3: when Saban left and Kaylen de Bor took over, I said,

763
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 3: that's the greatest handoff in the history of college football. Generally,

764
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 3: you give it to somebody on the staff because that's

765
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 3: what the players want. It doesn't work where you bring

766
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 3: in somebody and the culture doesn't work. He's just a

767
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 3: winning guy and Kaylen de boor Sioux falls, Fresno State,

768
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 3: but Washington he was twenty five and three people assumed, well,

769
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 3: it's Bama. He didn't have to rebuild anything. I said, no,

770
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: the time out. Now it's a whole different ballgame. This

771
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 3: is Bama nil. That's a whole different ballgame. Secondly, he

772
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 3: is different than Nick and there's going to be things

773
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 3: he likes coordinators he does doesn't. I'm like he was

774
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 3: almost punished because everybody thought Nick handed him a Rolls

775
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,479
Speaker 3: Royce and I'm like, no, he handed him A used

776
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 3: Rolls Royce. It wasn't as dominant as it was two

777
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 3: years earlier. Georgia now had as good or better players,

778
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 3: and the nil world had changed. Texas now could just

779
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 3: buy players. So if you watch Bama and you watch

780
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 3: Kaylin de boor with quarterbacks, I think Ohio State's the

781
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 3: best team I've seen. I think Bama's too. I think

782
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: Bama is the second best team in the country. I

783
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 3: don't think Indiana quite has the personnel, and M's beaten

784
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,959
Speaker 3: a lot of teams that fire their coaches, so I'm

785
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 3: not quite sure I buy that. Yet they haven't played

786
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 3: like Ole, Miss, Oklahoma, Georgia, Bama. What do you make

787
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 3: of Kaylin de boor the doubters, the critics, and where

788
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 3: they are.

789
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of the doubt and the criticism

790
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: was just folks wanting Alabama to fall off. It's been

791
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: a long time since you could really take reasonable shots

792
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: at Alabama up in the South. So, like, I know

793
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: the vibe about Alabama around the South. So there's some

794
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 1: of it where people are kind of wishcasting they're hoping

795
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: that they're right about doubting Kaylin to bore. And then

796
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: there was another crowd that just flat out you know,

797
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: thought that he took, like you said, a seamless baton

798
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: handoff and it should be full stride in any kind

799
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: of fall off, any kind of looking at the clock

800
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: and oah, we're off pace a little bit. That indicates

801
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: that he's an impost. And then you get to backfill

802
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: with all these pre cooked theories people have in the

803
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: South about how well, if you're not from here, you

804
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: can't recruit here, and how's he going to recruit at Alabama?

805
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: And he didn't know this place, he didn't know the culture.

806
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: So you know, the same stuff they said about Brian

807
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: Kelly ended up being valid, not because he wasn't from

808
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 1: the South, it's because he didn't work to the degree

809
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: you need to work at ls. So the thing about

810
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: Kaylan is the style he won with at Washington's what

811
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: you need to pay the most attention to the twenty

812
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: twenty three Washington season. What they have like seven to

813
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: one possession wins or something like that. So they were

814
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 1: winning a bunch of close games, but there's so much

815
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: there's some randomized nature to that. But when you get

816
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,959
Speaker 1: a big sample size of one possession games and you're

817
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: that good in one possession games. There's more than just

818
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: luck to that that skill Bama had been used to

819
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: win in forty two to ten, and so he's come

820
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: down here and even in the games where they're winning,

821
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: it's a lot of what he did at Washington. It's

822
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: one possession games, and it aggravates people so much because

823
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: they want to run for two hundred and fifty yards

824
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: and they can't run the ball this year, and yet

825
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: they're still scaling their offense despite not being able to

826
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 1: run the ball, which I think is the biggest feather

827
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: in the cap of ty Simpson. Mendoza's doing it with

828
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: a ground game, Julian's doing it with a ground game.

829
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: Bama can't run, and Ty Simpson still does it. That's

830
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: all I would say about him if I were promoting

831
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: him for the Heisman. But deboor year one in that

832
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: building this week, Colin a year ago, they were in

833
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: the thick of the playoff race, They're going to go

834
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 1: to Oklahoma. They get their doors blown off, blown off,

835
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: and that was really when the ant bed got kicked.

836
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: That's really when all the rumors started filling out. That's

837
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: when all the you know, the truth started getting dealt

838
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: because they didn't feel like they had anything left to

839
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: play for. So you start hearing some grumbling and you

840
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: start really finding out how oil and water that building

841
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: had been. Some of the old guards, some of the

842
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: new guard. And he walked in, and I want to

843
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: remind everyone he walked in the weirdest possible time, maybe

844
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: in the recent history of college athletics, because he takes

845
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: the job. Saban retires and it was weird, like an

846
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: early January kind of thing. So he takes the job,

847
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: and the portal opens for thirty days, but they can't

848
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: take They can only lose for thirty days, that's right,

849
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: and then you patch it up as best you can't.

850
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: Julian saying, was there by the way he leaves? Caleb

851
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: Downs was there? He leaves? Well, then you go through

852
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: spring ball, and I remember talking to him about this

853
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: after it happened, and he didn't make any excuses. I

854
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: was almost trying to make excuses for him. But it

855
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: was a situation where you had to run your spring

856
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: practice knowing that after ball, when you really want to

857
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: get down guys throats and you want to try and

858
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 1: install as much culture as you can, they could just leave.

859
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: There's a post spring portal window and they could bail

860
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: on you. These aren't your players, you didn't recruit them.

861
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: How are you going to have a roster going into

862
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: the season. So they had to kid glove their way

863
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: through spring ball a little bit. And even then, like

864
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: you get to the fall and you're kind of you're

865
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: trying to build the plane in the air, and it

866
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 1: used to be a nice plane, and so no one's

867
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: going to accept any kind of turbulence up there. And

868
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: that Oklahoma game is where it really came undone a

869
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: little bit, and that's where you really started hearing it.

870
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: So it's so crazy to fast forward a year from now.

871
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: It just so happens to be they're in the thick

872
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: of it again. Oklahoma's coming in again. I'm interested that

873
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: you said you like Bama because a lot of people

874
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: like Oklahoma.

875
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 3: This week.

876
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: I love Bama this week. I'm interested in why it

877
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: is you like Bama because I got one reason.

878
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 3: Well, I guess my take is, I think I think

879
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 3: the offensive coaching at Bama. I tend to believe that

880
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 3: offensive coaches are tinkers. So I think Deborr and his coordinator,

881
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 3: you know, like when they went to Georgia, you're like, oh,

882
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 3: that's a that's a perfect game plan. I think defensive

883
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 3: coaches venables tend to have this is what we are,

884
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 3: and we're just gonna be more forceful. I tend to

885
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 3: think with defensive teams, you often get what you get,

886
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 3: and you get it by like week four. I think

887
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,959
Speaker 3: offensive coaches Ryan Day is a great example. Last year. God,

888
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 3: you watched the Michigan game, then a week later you

889
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 3: watch Tennessee and then a week later you watch Oregon.

890
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 3: You're like, oh shit, they didn't peak until the second

891
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 3: week of the playoff. They're tinkers. Chip Kelly was always that,

892
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 3: he was always tinkering. So I tend to think Alabama

893
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 3: is just getting better. They're just every week. I feel

894
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 3: like they're two possessions better, whereas I feel kind of like,

895
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 3: I know what Oklahoma is. I've seen the best of Oklahoma.

896
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 3: That's very good, but I think zero ten being the

897
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 3: best one on being not good. I think Alabama is

898
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 3: about a seven. I think they're going to get to

899
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 3: about an eight and a half. Now Ohio State's a

900
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 3: nine and they may just stay there. But it's why

901
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 3: I think Bama's the second best team in the country.

902
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 3: I think they've got a tinker as a coach. I

903
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 3: watched them at I watched them at Washington. Just manipulate,

904
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 3: Tinker improve Anyway, That's my take is that I think

905
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 3: four weeks ago I may have felt differently. I think

906
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 3: the offensive coach over the defensive culture.

907
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: I like Bama, So I'm with you. They are beating

908
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 1: people on Saturday a lot, staff wise, like they are.

909
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: They got one of the best stats in the country offensively, especially,

910
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: So's here's what's interesting about that. If you watch the

911
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: LSU game last week, they're coming out of a by theoretically,

912
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: you should just be shot out of a cannon. We're

913
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: ready to peak in November they won twenty to nine.

914
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: I think it was if you watch the game, you

915
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: saw how much meat was left on the bone. Offensively,

916
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: you saw how much like just off the fingertips type

917
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: explosive passes they missed on, And I think that is

918
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: part one of the separation. Saturday. You just you focus

919
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: on precision and accuracy all week after a game like that,

920
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: and then number two, Oklahoma's real hallmark is they can

921
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: shut you down running the ball. I'd almost feel more

922
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: uncomfortable for Alabama if part of their offense was built

923
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: on the ground game. They already don't do anything on

924
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: the ground. Lesser teams have shut them down running the ball.

925
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: So what Oklahoma's built to take away you can't take

926
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: away from Bama because they already don't do it. And

927
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: yet they still scale their passing game anyway. And the

928
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: two other offenses that they've seen that can do through

929
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: the air what bamacam or Ole Miss and Tennessee and

930
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: I think one of them through for three nineteen and

931
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: the other one through for three to eighty or something

932
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: like that against them. So it's going to be a

933
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: real high profile game. It'll be a good fight. I

934
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: think Alabama's going to have one in the thing by

935
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: double digits in the end.

936
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 3: So Lane Kiffen, I've known Lane for a long time

937
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 3: and I think Lane's smart. I think he's again gotten

938
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 3: better and better. I made this argument is that you

939
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 3: can bounce around ole Miss LSU. You can bounce around

940
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 3: They're all I mean these guys these days. If ole

941
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 3: Miss can pay ten, LSU pays eleven, there's less pressure

942
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 3: at ol Miss. I'd stay. I'd stay Ole Miss. It's

943
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,439
Speaker 3: Oxford's beautiful that I said. I think actually he could

944
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 3: be an NFL coach and like Harball, he'd walk into

945
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: the sport for the first three years. He knows all

946
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 3: these players way better than your GM does. Also, like

947
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 3: a Miami to because of the contractual situation, is going

948
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 3: to be your quarterback for a year, but you probably

949
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 3: got to draft your next quarterback. And most of these

950
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 3: guys are second round quarterbacks. Well, he knows nuss Meyer,

951
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 3: and he knows Simpson. He knows all these guys. South

952
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 3: Carolina kid, he knows all of them. So by the

953
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 3: second round, nobody's going to know those quarterbacks better than

954
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 3: Lane Kiffin. Either recruited him, played them, played against him.

955
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 3: Do you think Lane Kiffin do you think he's considering

956
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 3: the NFL.

957
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he is. I think several of them are.

958
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: I think there's some names considering the NFL that would

959
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: totally completely put jaws on the ground if the names

960
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: ever got public. I think these guys are always considering

961
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: the NFL. Now, you'd never get the truth out of

962
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: most of them, but yeah, I mean, look, you know

963
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: the kind of mentality it takes to succeed at the

964
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: highest level of college football, especially if you specialize on

965
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: a side of the ball goes hand in hand with

966
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: the kind of mentality that thinks I could win in

967
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: the NFL. I could win on Sundays. I want to

968
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: test myself against the best. I want to see how

969
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: my offense does. And especially with Lane, like you've got

970
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: the Oakland Raiders chapter in his past, you don't think

971
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: he wants to make good on that. Yeah, I'm a believer.

972
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: I'm a believer. Saban never did it. I'm a believer

973
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: he wanted to make good on the Miami Dolphins part.

974
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: Didn't like all of the other extracurricular that comes along

975
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: with the NFL relative to college. But yeah, I think

976
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: he would consider it. I think they actively consider it

977
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: all the time. What I don't know, and I think

978
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: this is really what the decision comes down to, is

979
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: what do you personally value the most beyond football. Like

980
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: some guys hate recruiting, they're looking at the first exit

981
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: door to get to the NFL. Right, Others they think

982
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: it's their wheelhouse. They think that's one of their strongest suits.

983
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: They actually love being around young people. I will never

984
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: forget when I was coming out of college down in

985
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: Columbus and I heard you talking about Parcels one day

986
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,439
Speaker 1: and you described him as a meatball with arms. That

987
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: is what stuck with me. That is what NFL coaches

988
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: look like relative to college coaches, because you're around adults

989
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: all day instead of younger adults. So past that, yeah,

990
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: I think he is considering it.

991
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 3: You know, let me throw this at you. I had

992
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 3: a really smart guy tell me this, a current college coach,

993
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 3: and he was talking about ole Miss and the limitations.

994
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 3: He said, offensive recruits will follow the coach. Right, They'll

995
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 3: follow Sark Lane Kaitlin to offensive players. They want to

996
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 3: know who the coach is, what the system is. Great

997
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 3: defensive players. They want to go to Georgia, Texas, LSU.

998
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 3: Not about scheme. I want to get taken care of.

999
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 3: I want nil check. I got to play in the trenches.

1000
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 3: That's the limitation of ole Miss. When I asked somebody

1001
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 3: about Old Miss, they said, Lane's always gonna get offensive guys.

1002
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 3: He go. Offensive guys follow the coach. Defensive guys don't.

1003
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 3: He's never gonna have Georgia's defensive personnel. He never gonna

1004
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 3: have Bamas. He's never gonna have Ohio States defensive guys

1005
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 3: go to the big schools. You see all sorts of

1006
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 3: great offenses in the history at college football. You can

1007
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 3: go to Hawaii, you go to BYU, you can go

1008
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 3: Indiana and see a lot of the top ten college

1009
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 3: defensive all time. There's a lot of Georgia, Bama, LSU, Michigan.

1010
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 3: And so this coach said, Lane knows he's limited. When

1011
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 3: he faces the big dogs in the SEC, he'll have

1012
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 3: to upscore him. They're not stopping them. And so that's

1013
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 3: just something that's something to think about. I thought it

1014
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 3: was very very wise.

1015
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: I think it's been taken into consideration. And when you

1016
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: do your pros and cons, there's not going to be

1017
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: a clean list under the cons for any of these jobs, right,

1018
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: so it all missed. That's what you have to ask.

1019
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: But then what if you're Lane Kiffin, you have to ask,

1020
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: all right, but what state do I reside in? I

1021
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: reside in Mississippi. The one thing that you're gonna say

1022
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: about Mississippi is it pumps out NFL front future NFL

1023
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: front defensive talent every year. Now, historically they've gone to

1024
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,959
Speaker 1: other schools, but that's why it's been case by case

1025
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: a nightmare to play Mississippi state role. Miss in certain

1026
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: given years because they're just freak shows out of Scuba

1027
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: and Philadelphia and Columbus and you've never heard of those

1028
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: places Yazoo City, Mississippi. But they got future first round

1029
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: NFL draft picks coming out of there. I would think

1030
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: to myself, Man, if I can keep enough of those

1031
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: guys home, I'm gonna get the offensive guys. But like

1032
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: you're right that that is the case. If I'm representing

1033
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: him and selfishly, I want him at LSU or I

1034
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: want him at Florida. I want him at Florida because

1035
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying, dude, they've got the track record of offense

1036
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: like you want Spurrier even when Urban was there. The

1037
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: difference is you can get the defensive talent down there

1038
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: as well. That's what i'd sell him on. Yes, Sark

1039
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: told me this when he was at Washington.

1040
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 3: He said, we I can get first round receivers and

1041
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 3: tight ends and quarterbacks at Washington. It's defensive tackles. You

1042
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 3: can't get him in the Northwest. We just don't. We

1043
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 3: may have one every other year who's an elite defensive tackle,

1044
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 3: and so you know that's why, you know, I just

1045
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 3: think it's a reality of even in southern California as

1046
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 3: great as that state is right now, USC, if you

1047
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 3: look at their interior d line recruiting, there's Texas, there's

1048
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 3: an Oklahoma kid, there's a Texas kid, there's a Minnesota kid,

1049
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 3: and not a lot of LA kids on that defensive front. Now,

1050
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 3: Lemon the receiver lanes from Arizona. You know, may Ava,

1051
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 3: they got in Vegas, a running back walk gone from Calabasas.

1052
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 3: USC's offensive talent, you know, it's a lot of LA

1053
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 3: kids and West Coast kids. But no, I think Lane's

1054
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 3: a great example of the willingness to evolve as a

1055
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 3: human being. I think Lane today is just a much

1056
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 3: better human being. Not that I know him that well,

1057
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 3: but there were a lot of people out on Lane

1058
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 3: and he went small school one, and I think Nick

1059
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 3: Saban deserves a lot of credit. You know, Saban took

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Speaker 3: a beat up Lane and a beat up Sark. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I tell you a lot about Nick Saban. Those guys

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Speaker 3: were not They had lost a lot of glare in

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Speaker 3: college sports.

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Speaker 1: I think. I mean that twenty fifteen teen he had

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Speaker 1: alone just doing a deep dive on that staff alone,

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Speaker 1: pretty unbelievable at Alabama, that Saban had, But I mean,

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Speaker 1: I remember when Lane was at Alabama, I remember when

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Speaker 1: Sark had gotten to Alabama, and you're hearing the stories

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00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: behind the scenes and thinking to yourself. I mean, like

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Speaker 1: one of the greatest magician tricks that I thought about

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Speaker 1: Nick Saban when I first came to sort of see

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Speaker 1: behind the curtain is everyone watched them and they're this

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00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: machine and they're winning, and so you think, oh, they're

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Speaker 1: free of all the crap that everyone else has to

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Speaker 1: deal with, and then you find out there's tons of

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Speaker 1: infighting there. All of these coaches are alphas, all of

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Speaker 1: these coaches are type a's, and he's just it's like

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Speaker 1: herding cats, and he somehow did it. But to do

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Speaker 1: what he did for Lane Slash with Lane, to do

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00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: the same thing for Slash with Sark, that's pretty unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: But the other part of that is, at some point,

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Speaker 1: it don't matter how much someone else is trying to

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00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: help you if you don't want to help yourself. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: a ton of credit to Nick Saban. Absolutely, It's not

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Speaker 1: like Kiffin's having to rediscover himself at publics like he is.

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00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: He is coaching major college football. But at some point

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Speaker 1: you got to look in the mirror and realize I'm

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Speaker 1: a full grown adult, like it's up to me, and

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Speaker 1: thankfully he did that.

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Speaker 3: M