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Speaker 1: thinking sideways the podcast. Okay, wow, best intro ever if

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Speaker 1: anybody's good future. I am Steve as always, I am

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Speaker 1: joined by my co host, the orchestro Clap Joe, And

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Speaker 1: all out of control really fast. Yeah, no structure, we

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Speaker 1: we solved mysteries. We tend to try to solve mysteries.

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Speaker 1: Show lies about us solving mysteries. He does occasionally. Well,

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Speaker 1: we have another mystery this week that we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about, which is the Black Knights satellite. This story

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Speaker 1: got suggested to us a long time ago, and I

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Speaker 1: and didn't write it down and I don't have your name. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Benjamin Uh suggested it a couple of months ago. I

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Speaker 1: it was Benjamin. I know this. We've this one's been

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Speaker 1: in the hopper for all long time. We're trying to

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Speaker 1: get better about writing that stuff down. Yeah, we've been

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Speaker 1: but let's talk about the Black Knights satellite. This. I'm

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Speaker 1: That doesn't surprise me, yep, the one of the Granddaddy's

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Speaker 1: not even gonna go there. In eighteen nine nine, Tesla

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Speaker 1: He'd gotten funding by one of his major backers to

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Speaker 1: It was coming from space. It was coming from space.

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Speaker 1: nine twenties. Unusual transmissions began being picked up by Ham

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Speaker 1: delay time of the signal against the order in which

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00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: the echoes were received. That's what he said he did.

426
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: Now what that means, I don't I don't have the

427
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: scientific backing to to explain. But based on that research,

428
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: he said the signals were twelve thousand, six hundred years old.

429
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: Well they would have had. I mean, it would be

430
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: not so hard to do the math on that, right,

431
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: I mean, realistically, if if you can say, yeah, it's

432
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: coming from that star, the science behind saying it's coming

433
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: from there not, but to figure out how long it

434
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: would have taken from something to get there from here?

435
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: How how he figured out the star chart, because he

436
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: says it it included you know, I don't know if

437
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: it's coordinates or star chart, but that's how he figured

438
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: out what consolation would language. Yeah, and I don't know

439
00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: how many how many light years from us long ways?

440
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear the are there are there recordings

441
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: of l d s on the internet, of these specific

442
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: l E d s. Well these I don't think these

443
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: ones would be out there, the ones that Lunin was

444
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: looking at, because this is in but l d s

445
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: still happen, and I imagine that they're on the internet.

446
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,479
Speaker 1: I didn't think to look to listen to them, because

447
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: from what I understand, l d s are repeats of

448
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: signals from Earth. They're just echoes. So that's why it's

449
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: a little weird to me that he found this extraterrestrial

450
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: location called out. But yeah, I don't know, I was,

451
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, I was pondering that too. It seems a

452
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: little fantastic, but it's uh, you know. My one thing

453
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: is that if if you're a satellite and you just

454
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: don't have the gumption to just broadcast a message directly

455
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: at planet Earth, but you want to, you want to

456
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: send a message, what a clever way to do it

457
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: is to is to receive a radio signal and then

458
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: retrans at it back. But they're the interval by which

459
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: you traveled to transmit a mess and that and so

460
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: the interval that the variation in the interval contains information.

461
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: Actually it's not bad. You know, if we're gonna theorize

462
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: for a second, I'm don't hop ahead to theories, but

463
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,239
Speaker 1: to just quickly theorial if we're if we are, if

464
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: we were to say that the Black Knight satellite were,

465
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: for instance, an alien spaceship that was stranded or something

466
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: of that nature, right, that they were not powerful enough

467
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: to exit our orbit, but also didn't want to die

468
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: on their entry in or whatever trying to send a

469
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: distress signal. If they're basically a dormant ship, that would

470
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: be a really good, easy, like energy conserving way is

471
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: to just hold one back, you know, to not You

472
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't have to actually broadcast a new message or anything

473
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: like that. You just can delay it a little bit.

474
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, well, it's still broadcasting there. It makes

475
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: me think, what was that movie that that came out

476
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: last year, the Matthew McConaughey movie about space, Interstellar, And

477
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: one of the things that they do is he transmitted

478
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: messages in like binary code and stuff like that. I

479
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: mean that to me is in line with what you're

480
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: talking about, not exact, but it makes me think about that.

481
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: I didn't see it. It's actually pretty good. But you

482
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: can control the volume, because the volume on that movie

483
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: is terrible. I will not in a movie about people

484
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 1: in space, Steve, you know my thing about people in space.

485
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: So here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna give Devon

486
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: a DVD that says it's the movie Heathers and then

487
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: she and I'm gonna actually print on it, so it

488
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: says the Heathers. She'd be like, yeah, I'm gonna watch

489
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: Heathers and then she's gonna pop it in. It's gonna

490
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: be interstellar to you. And you got it. You gotta

491
00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: program so it disabled the off button. That's important. I

492
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: will turn it off. Sorry, and we're at we're a

493
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: little off. Let's get back to the story years old. Yeah,

494
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: well that's that's yeah. No, we're not gonna do that

495
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: right now. Let's move to the last big thing about

496
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: the Black Knights satellite, which is again skipping head in time.

497
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: The astronauts aboard the Space Shuttle Endeavor, which was gonna

498
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: go meet up with the International Space Station the I

499
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: S S S. Sorry I added an extra s. It's

500
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: the ICE think that's some other weird group. But they

501
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: were going to go there because I don't remember what

502
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: they were doing. At one point, they suddenly saw this

503
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: strange black object out their window and they took a

504
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: bunch of high quality photos of this black object traveling

505
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: away from them. And if you go out on Google

506
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: you can find these images. Yeah, any website that's about

507
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: the Black satellite has at least one of these at

508
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: least one, if not all and there, and they always

509
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: crop them up just so you can just see it.

510
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: Not everything around it, but you see a lot of it.

511
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: And now everybody's favorite time theories. Let's go into the theories.

512
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: And we've we've talked about the first theory a little bit,

513
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: which is, Okay, it truly is something extraterrestrial. And I

514
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: think that I've got a little guf for this in

515
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: the past. It's not that I don't disbelieve in aliens.

516
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: I just don't believe in aliens. Like no, I I

517
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: believe in aliens. It's just a lot of things that

518
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: are automatically attributed to aliens strike me wrong because it

519
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. And and but but I'm going to

520
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: suspend that, and we're going to talk about this. I

521
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: don't understand why something like this would be circling the

522
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: globe for so long basically doing nothing. Well, but we

523
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: don't really know that's been circling the globe that long. Okay,

524
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: that's your right. We don't know how long it's been there.

525
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: According to what we evidently in the fifties is when

526
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: we figured out something was up sixty years Okay, And

527
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: then you can just go ahead and assume it's possible

528
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: that a lifespan isn't the same, right, their time scale

529
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: isn't the same. Also, there's something to be said for

530
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: gathering data. Then you want a big cample source for

531
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: that data. There might not be It might be a

532
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: robotic probe, but not actually people by aliens, and and

533
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: and and The thing that that I had, this is

534
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: the way I had to deal with it in my

535
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: head is okay, Well, we we keep hearing stuff about

536
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: it disappearing and it changing its course a little bit.

537
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: So maybe it's a little shy and it's happily rotating

538
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: or circling the globe, and then oh, look, a couple

539
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: of rockets pop up because I need to get out

540
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: of the neighborhood. So it's got to have some kind

541
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: of control, pushes itself farther away from the planet. Look

542
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: the rockets are gone. Yeah, comes back in. Oh, now,

543
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: we're us humans in space all the time, so it

544
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: has to stay farther out to keep from being detected.

545
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: So I can see if it is an information gathering

546
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: thing and it doesn't want to be discovered, I can

547
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: see why that would be. But it's still weird. To

548
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: me that the orbit has changed so much. I guess

549
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: I don't have that problem because I choose to disbelieve

550
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: the reports of the orbit changing that much that I mean,

551
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 1: there are consistent reports throughout time, right that it's been

552
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: essentially the same orbit essentially right, versus like a few

553
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: outliers where it's just people who are clearly describing something

554
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: else exactly who are saying it's the Black Knight style.

555
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: So it's not a problem to me that it would

556
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 1: just be in the same orbit. Okay, I can run

557
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,479
Speaker 1: with that. And we've we've we've already gone into what

558
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: the the reason for the d Yeah, so I don't

559
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 1: think we need to hash that up and not really

560
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: and the but you're right, it could it could well

561
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: be that the whole point of that thing was just

562
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: to wait until we started popping our rockets and then

563
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: his job is done. Now would just notifies the home

564
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: that we've achieved a level of technological advancement to where

565
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 1: we can actually put things in orbit, and then it's

566
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: it tells home and then Dodge either runs away or

567
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: as far as this retro doesn't jump, plunges into our

568
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: atmosphere and burns up the dormant. Who knows. I mean,

569
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: it could have been what burned up in the atmosphere

570
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: over Russia at the other Yeah, yeah, last year. You

571
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: don't know it was really right, I don't know that.

572
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: I think it would have done the job earlier than that.

573
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: But because we know it would, it would have detected

574
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: all the radar waves, so it used to track things

575
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: in orbit. But it might have waited long enough to

576
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: make sure we didn't destroy ourselves. How's it going to

577
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: stop us from destroying her? So wait to make sure

578
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: we didn't before reporting home. We still could, We still

579
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: could easily. Yeah, but well, as part as extraterrestrial origins,

580
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: it actually could. And this is entirely credible. It could

581
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: be extraterrestrial because extraterrestrial is just anything that's not on

582
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: planet Earth and not of planet Earth. So imagine it's

583
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: just a small asteroid or a meteor or something like

584
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 1: meteoroid that just happened to, like, you know, come along

585
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: and get caught for a while in orbit around that's

586
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: got lassoed in the orbit around our planet, and you're

587
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: highly irregular orbit. You would expect that it's something that

588
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: like nabbed things don't just naturally go into perfect orbits. No,

589
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: they don't. They're not going to go in a certain

590
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: They're gonna go into a very erratic orbit like this one.

591
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: And so it's entirely possible there's something came along and

592
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: wound up an orbit around us for a while, and

593
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: then just eventually it's orbit deteriorated and it plunged into

594
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 1: our atmosphere and finally got a sling shot in a way,

595
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: that's possible too. That sounds like this thing was in

596
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: a fairly stable orbit from the way people are talking

597
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: about it. The way people are talking about I think

598
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: is an apt description makes it hard saying that that's

599
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: a concrete fact. So, but it sounds like it was

600
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: a stable laun term more. But and then it's not

601
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: going to suddenly slingshot itself away, but it will eventually

602
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 1: probably the sortab will decay and they'll go into the atmosphere. Yeah,

603
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: so it could really be extra extra tre it could

604
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: just be a bit of space debree, you're right, space rock. Yeah.

605
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: Let's then. Now let's move into the next theory. I'm

606
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: gonna make some people mad, and I'm okay with that

607
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: when I say that the next theory is that it

608
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: was made up for fun or to stir people up.

609
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: And bear with me. Is I go through this because

610
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: I've you two know, but our listeners don't know where

611
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: I'm heading with this in the images that I've shown you.

612
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 1: For the reason why, because believe it or not, people

613
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 1: do go on the Internet and they make things up

614
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: or on a more mundane scale, they totally misinterpret something

615
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: and then they shouted to everybody they know, and then

616
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: that gets repeated as well. We do that all the time.

617
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: There's an example I've seen it. There's an image out

618
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: there that I've seen that is supposedly from Apollo ten

619
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: showing the Black Night satellites, and I wasted so much

620
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: time going through the Apollo ten photos and not finding it,

621
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: and then I started just going through all of the

622
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 1: photos that were available from NASA, and lo and behold,

623
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: I actually found the photo itself in its raw format. Yeah,

624
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: I got but has a NASA has a ton of photographs.

625
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: I know. I couldn't believe I found it. I couldn't

626
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: believe I found it. But here's the thing. I then

627
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: wasted even more time brewing around with that image in

628
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: photos shot because here's the thing. The website that I

629
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: have seen this on. There's a couple of them say,

630
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 1: look at this alien spacecraft. That is the Black Knights

631
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: satellite that was found in this Apollo ten image. The

632
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: image has no date, it has no location that it

633
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: was shot from. The image is not good quality, And

634
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,959
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk through some of these facts because these

635
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: are the things that make our jobs so hard. So

636
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: when I find a very blatant one, I have to

637
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 1: call it out so people can kind of think what's

638
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: going on when they're seeing some of this. So the

639
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: exposure is really bad. But there's also stuff all over

640
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: this image's water spots and I found hairs on it,

641
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: which tell me that it was a print and not

642
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: a negative that was scanned in. And you got this

643
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 1: off the NASA website or something else's website. Huge three

644
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: D p I res huge image. It was, I mean,

645
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: it's like a hundred eggs or something. It was god

646
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: awful huge. But if it had been scanned in from

647
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: a negative, a hair would have been gigantic, but that

648
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: wasn't the case. They were really small on the image,

649
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: which means it has to be a print. And the

650
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: same thing with the water spots negative even on a

651
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: large format negative, which I haven't heard of those being

652
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: used in those early programs. That would be a really

653
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: really fine hair to be picked up like this. It

654
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: just it looks like cat hair. But when I put

655
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: it in Photoshop and I adjusted it multiple times in

656
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: multiple ways to correct the exposure so that the background,

657
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: which is space, is the right color, which is black,

658
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 1: this thing disappears. So I'm pretty positive that this thing

659
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: was dust or more likely lint or something. Plus, never

660
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: mind the fact that this photo it hadn't been it

661
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: can somewhere between the Earth and the Moon. For the

662
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: size of the Earth and the photograph, they must have

663
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: been at least a third of the way to the Moon. Yeahs,

664
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: which means that probably as big as that thing was,

665
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: it should have crashed and killed us all or unleashed

666
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: the alien horde. Yeah, I mean it would have been.

667
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: And obviously it would have been enormous to be a

668
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: scale it wasn't that photograph would be. It would have

669
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: been an altitude of thousands of miles, not just and

670
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: so yeah, the whole thing is just absurd. So what

671
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: I want people to do is I want them to

672
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: keep this in mind and keep an objective view on this,

673
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 1: so that when they're looking at it and they kind

674
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: of pull the details out and not just take the

675
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: bait and and just swallow it all at once, but

676
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 1: really trying to figure out what you're looking at, which

677
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: I told you'd have to be pretty damn guillable to

678
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: look at that photograph and think it has anything to

679
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: do with the Black Knight satellite. Well, if you know,

680
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: in the original image that I showed you guys, looks

681
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: kind of metallic space shippy because it's zoomed and it's

682
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: fuzz and I can see how somebody without taking context

683
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: into it, would be like, WHOA, what the heck is that? Yeah?

684
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, in the original photo, if if

685
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: you're just looking at within the confines of a website

686
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: or something like that, you're not going to see the hair.

687
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: You're not going to see all of the other stuff there.

688
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: It's all cropped and it does you know. I've seen

689
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: that picture before and it's hard to kind of step

690
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 1: away from that and say, oh, there, there could totally

691
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: be something else going on there. It's easy to take

692
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: it as face value, and we do that a lot.

693
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: Next theory on the docket, what's that this is really

694
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: just a bunch of stories that have been jammed together

695
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: with hot glue to make it the Black Knight satellite.

696
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: Do you do you get why I make the hot

697
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: glue reference. Do you remember when you were a kid

698
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: and you were an art class and you would hot

699
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: glue stuff together and it would just come out to

700
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: be this gnarly gross mass of like stuff. Did you

701
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: ever do that? Because I as an artist. I'm an

702
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: artist too, but I was still a kid. Now class

703
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: we use wealthing equipment. No, I was just thinking. I

704
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: was trying to figure out if you were talking about

705
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: a bunch of different stories jammed together or a bunch

706
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: of different things jammed together like in that episode of Futuruma.

707
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: Oh no, this is this is not not the future

708
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of stories jammed together. Which I know that

709
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: the pair of you do this, and we've just been

710
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: kind of harping on. This is when we start looking

711
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: at these things, each individual piece in context, Suddenly it

712
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: becomes much easier to see what's going on. And what

713
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna do is we've already walked through this entire story.

714
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: We're now going to walk through a number of pieces

715
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: of the story in sequence again, kind of shine some

716
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: light on some things that were going on. Sounds good,

717
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: There was a lot of that stuff. Yeah, well, let's

718
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: let's start with Nikola Tesla because he's where we started

719
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: in the beginning. Today, we do know that Tesla us

720
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 1: picking up a repeating signal, but what he was picking

721
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: up was a pulsar. We didn't know about pulsars in

722
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: We didn't really figure out what they were officially or

723
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: or classify them until nineteen. Pulsars put out radio waves

724
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: in a very specific pattern that's repeating. He didn't know that,

725
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: so he just he took his best guests. I totally

726
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: understand that. I don't fault Tesla for that, but that's

727
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: what that was, so I can't say that's the Black

728
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: Knight satellite. We'll move forward to l D ease. We

729
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: don't really know exactly what ld s are today, but

730
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: there's a there's over a dozen theories out there, but

731
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: basically what we think is going on is that a

732
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: couple of the theories are is that it's possible that

733
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: radio waves are being picked up and caught in Aurora

734
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: activity cau is by solar storms, which is holding onto

735
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: them before they get spun down Earth. There was just

736
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: a really interesting article released about Aurora energy and how

737
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: it affects the Earth. Who will post it on Facebook eventually,

738
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: but just saying, like literally today there was a new

739
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: very interesting Let's see what do we got. The next

740
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: one up is it's reflections in the ionosphere that are

741
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: caused by the magnet sphere. Yeah, like radio skipping. Yeah,

742
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: it's radio skipping, is exactly what it is. And and

743
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: actually the thing about the reflection the radio skipping is

744
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 1: it's actually refraction. It's actually not things not bouncing off

745
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: the atosphere. And I talked about the snailb lost boilery

746
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: lbl Um is that they are actually refracted debt back

747
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 1: downward by the ionosphere. And a similar phenomenon happens under

748
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: the ocean submarine. Somebody's sonar as a PASTI sonars will

749
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: pick up the same signal at two different times because

750
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: they travel basically different pathways to get to you. You're

751
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: listening with your with your hydrophone, and you hear the

752
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: same noise twice because it goes it takes two different

753
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: paths to get there. It's being refracted up and down

754
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: one way, bouncing off the bottom of the ocean and

755
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: the top of the ocean. Essentially, it's a similar kind

756
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: of thing like a sound layer is a similar kind

757
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: of thing. Is what the ionosphere does, and that is

758
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: and that is it will bounce off the bottom of

759
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: the ocean, then it goes up to a sound to

760
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: like a layer where they say a sharp difference in temperature,

761
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: and there are temperature gradients like that in the ocean.

762
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: And it doesn't it it's some people look at it

763
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: is bouncing up, but really what happens is it goes

764
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: up into that and it's refracted bent back downwards, so

765
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: it's refracted, not really reflected. And no, no, no, I'm

766
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: not correcting you. What I was saying is that what

767
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 1: i'd say is that what the experience that that what

768
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: what the Navy's experienced with sonar is a similar thing

769
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: where where something will follow two different tracks to get

770
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: to the same place and it gets there at different times.

771
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: The noise does it's the same thing can happen. Yeah,

772
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: but it's not. That's not really unexplainable. No, and and

773
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: and yeah it's it's but it's weird. But here here's

774
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: the last one that we've got for l D ease,

775
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: which is it maybe that the radio signals are getting

776
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: trapped between ionized layers in the atmosphere, because that we

777
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: do know that happens. There's ionization up there and it's

778
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: kind of bouncing around and then it quote unquote falls

779
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: out a hole or bounces out a hole it's in

780
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: the bottom. Now it's quite as likely that some of

781
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: them they get trapped in there, are bouncing out of

782
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: holes in the top and shooting into space. But once

783
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: we're picking up or falling out of the bottom, that's

784
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: what's causing the delays. They're skipping around until they finally

785
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: find a hole to to bounce out of. That. The

786
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: other thing about the l D ease is actually a

787
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: lot of this is that if it's an ALIAS satellite,

788
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: then why is it messing around with this whole l

789
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: D crap. It's either gonna be totally its stealth mode

790
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: or it's gonna be sending us direct transmiss and saying, hey, there,

791
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: how's it going, you know, Garfield, and come see me

792
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: kind because we really want to eat you. Yeah, our

793
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: English isn't good yet. Yeah we didn't mean we didn't

794
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: mean that at all, but yeah, and so I don't.

795
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be doing weird stuff

796
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: like like re broadcasting our radio ways to us. That's

797
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: I will, I'll get on board with that. Let's move forward.

798
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: Remember we talked about the newspaper reporting of the two

799
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: satellites that were in a polar orbit. Yeah, yeah, it

800
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: turns out that's not real reporting. It's a couple of

801
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: reporters and a couple of papers evidently ripping off the

802
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: Dutch jacket of a UFO book. Oh, some guy was

803
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: trying to sell his book about UFOs and they were

804
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: having a little fun and they took some stuff directly

805
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: out of it and published it and people went picked

806
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: it up and believed it. And really it was just

807
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: kind of a joke. I think it was an inside

808
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: joke that gained more life than they ever thought it would.

809
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: It was the day was April one, It was April first.

810
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, so that's what's going on there. Let's move

811
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: forward again. We're gonna talk about nineteen sixty and what

812
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: the U. S. Air Force or the U S and

813
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: the U S government found. Here's what's going on in

814
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: nineteen six. Do you remember there was that unknown dark

815
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: tumbling object that was picked up, and everybody kind of

816
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: wigged out because we're in Cold War times. Yeah, no,

817
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 1: it wasn't at the time. So we're talking ninth late

818
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: fifty nine, all of sixty part of sixty one. We're

819
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: putting rockets up and it's part of the Discoverer program

820
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: where the Discover program is going to put satellites out

821
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: so that we can figure out what's in space, what's

822
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: on Earth. We're gonna figure out all this stuff. Yeah, okay,

823
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: that's that's figured it out already, right, that we did.

824
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: Space is done. But it's not a mystery at all.

825
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: It turns out the CIA um I think it was

826
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: through the Freedom of Information Act because it was no

827
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: longer classified. We found out the CIA was involved in

828
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: the Discovery program and they were putting up is it

829
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: Corona Corona satellites And it sounds like, Joe, you you

830
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: actually have a pretty good idea of what the Corona

831
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 1: satellites were or did you just kind of gone through them. Yeah.

832
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: So Corona was really the earliest spy satellite at least

833
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: that we had. And what Corona did is said it

834
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: would be in a polar orbit, as we talked about before,

835
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: for surveying and spying polar lower low altitude orbits to

836
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: the best. And it had a number of high definitions,

837
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 1: like really big cameras in it that took a lot

838
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: of photographs and then thousand per yeah, just it would

839
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: just use up as an entire roll, and then the

840
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: camera would be ejected by the satellite and it would

841
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: fall into the atmosphere and it would would deploy a

842
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: parachute and then this this airplane would come along and

843
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 1: snag it in midair. And it was really an elaborate operation.

844
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: And luckily these days we've we've got electronic we can

845
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: just broadcast digital images. Back yeah, we didn't have that.

846
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: Back in those days. We didn't have digital imaging. So

847
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: they actually had to take film and ejected and imagine

848
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: how beautifully time that had to be. That plane had

849
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: to be just in the perfect right spot. They lost

850
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: a number of those satellites when they the bucket, they

851
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: called it the bucket when it dropped its bucket. They

852
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: lost a number of buckets in the first one that

853
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: they lost eventually was found in Venezuela, and once it

854
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: was found, they realized that what they needed to do

855
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: was stop stenciling top secret on it. Yeah, they put

856
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: they put some reward information in twenty two languages all

857
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: over it so people would turn it in. That is

858
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: the most amazing. Yeah, don't look at this tough secret,

859
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: don't touch it. Yeah. Well, so here's the thing is

860
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: that so we've we've talked about the Corona program. Well,

861
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: what happened is Discover eight. There evidently was some kind

862
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: of malfunction and when it went to drop its bucket,

863
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: it's orbit was messed up and a big chunk of

864
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: it came off in an unexpected way and it tumbled

865
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: around the Earth. Gosh, when was it it? Uh? It

866
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: came back and it re entered the atmosphere in March

867
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: of nineteen sixty. And they're pretty sure the bucket came

868
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: back down or probably around that time, because it didn't

869
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: dump the bucket as it was intended. But that was

870
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: in a polar orbit and would have been in an

871
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: erratic orbit because it was screwed up. So it's pretty

872
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: positive that that's what was being picked up. Because the

873
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: CIA isn't gonna tell the U s A Force what

874
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: they've got up there because it's so secret, they're not

875
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: gonna just spill. Oh sorry, ted this is what it is. Yeah,

876
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: they're going to do that, particularly if it involves admitting

877
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: a huge mistake, especially a giant program. Because I think

878
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: there was fifteen or no, there was more than fifteen.

879
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 1: There was I can't remember how many of those. It's

880
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: there was lots and lots of those cameras, and they

881
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: they evolved quite quickly, but they put a lot of

882
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: those up there, and at a cold war time, that

883
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: would have probably caused some kind of clash. I mean,

884
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 1: we've already had the the whole Bay of Pigs thing

885
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: happened right around it wasn't the Bay of Pigs nine

886
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: sixty um, that was six. It was pretty close on

887
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: the heels this this potential nuclear holocausts between two countries.

888
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: So they didn't want to spill the beans and they

889
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 1: weren't supposed to be doing this. And also it is

890
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: again you know, you're not about to be like, oh, yeah, sorry,

891
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: we have this classified program and we kind of messed

892
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 1: it up and lost a half of something that cost

893
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: more than you know, we've ever thought of spending anything

894
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: on anything. You know, it's just you don't do that.

895
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: You don't say that, you don't say that at all.

896
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: Now you want to keep quiet about it, but just uh,

897
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of a correction. I thought that

898
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: what happened with that particular launch, it wasn't so much

899
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 1: the bucket dropping dropping wrongly, but it was that on launch,

900
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: the rocket goes up and then eventually a couple of

901
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: case things pop off and the satellite is released. And

902
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought that one of those casings, for

903
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 1: one reason or another, like wound up in orbit instead

904
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: of going back into the atmosphere and burning up. I've

905
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: seen that as well, and that and that was that

906
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: that could would be. But I also know that there

907
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 1: was an issue with the satellite itself and the bucket

908
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: didn't come down right as well. So I don't know

909
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: which it is. It could have been the casing, It

910
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: could have been the bucket, it could have been the

911
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: Corona satellite. The case thing, I think would would be

912
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: a more likely candidate because it would have a much

913
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: bigger radar signature. Um yeah, but yeah, certainly, Spice satellites

914
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: would come a long ways. They're much sneakier, much sneakier,

915
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: much better. You don't buckets. Let's move to the next.

916
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 1: One of the next things we talked about which is

917
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: Gordon Cooper. Remember that Gordon Cooper saw the green glowing

918
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: thing at Loop number fifteen around the globe. Yeah, he

919
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: has adamant He adamantly denied that ever ever happened. Well,

920
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: of course he's denying it. He actually clearly got to

921
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: He actually provided transcripts, his own transcripts from his end

922
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: to prove that he didn't. Actually, I never said any

923
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: of that I know, And so all those people in

924
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,439
Speaker 1: mission control they never never heard him say that. Even

925
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: so I'm guessing they never actually saw it either. We're

926
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: gonna then go to the nineties seventies when we had

927
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: Duck Duncan Lunin. I almost called him Ducan Lunin, which

928
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. Duncan Lunin. He never actually said

929
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: that the transmissions that he was looking at came from

930
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: the Black Knight satellite. He also seems to believe that

931
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: they came from two points in space, one that was

932
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: sixty degrees ahead and one that was sixty degrees behind

933
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: the moon the course of the moon. And he actually

934
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: later on he acknowledged that he made some major mistakes

935
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: and what he came up with was wrong, and he

936
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 1: recounted the whole thing he renounced the retracted Yeah, he

937
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: was like, I was wrong. Plus I don't know what

938
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 1: I was smoking, but that was bad. Plus I believe

939
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: Duncan Lunin wasn't actually a scientist. Wasn't he actually a

940
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: science fiction writer? Bad was part of what he did,

941
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: I believe. Yes. And the last one in the story

942
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: that we talked about, which was the Endeavor photos. The

943
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: Space Shuttle would always fly in a semi equatorial orbit,

944
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: as does the Ice the International Space Station. Yeah that thing. Yeah,

945
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: if there is an object moving in a polar orbit,

946
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: it would have gone by the Space Shuttle. That would

947
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: have been zip eight to twenty thousand miles per hour,

948
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: which would be really hard to get all of those

949
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: really awesome high resolution photos. Oh, I know, I know.

950
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: That's I know, it's ridiculous. And that's let's space at

951
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: the combined speed of the two because don't forget, they're

952
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: also broken. They're rocketing along. They see how many sunrises

953
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: do they see in a day? Do you remember the number?

954
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: I don't remember. Something like that. Some crazy It would

955
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: be fun. I'd love to go up there. Oh yeah,

956
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: I just wish that I could afford the trip. I

957
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: don't have that kind of money unless this podcast suddenly

958
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: becomes a cash cow. Yeah. So, and also, you know,

959
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's pretty There's all these pictures that

960
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: they took of this object, which you can't take when

961
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: you're both moving, and if you had a really high

962
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: speed camera you could get maybe one shot, but they

963
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: took a whole bunch of shot. It took a whole

964
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: bunch of shots. Here's what's going on, though, is the

965
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: mission logs and stuff. Turns out that during an e

966
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: v A, what does e v A stand for, it's

967
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: it's like extra extra vehicular activity activity. Yeah, they're outside

968
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: of the space. They went outside the space in a

969
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: space suit. The claiman stern of it. They floated around,

970
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: they floated around, they did some stuff. Well, they accidentally

971
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: knocked loose a thermal blanket and it flew away from

972
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: the space show. I'm guessing it was in the cargo compartment.

973
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: I don't know how it tore loose, but it did.

974
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: Those things are silver on one side and black on

975
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: the other, and they're basically a giant chunk of insulated blankets.

976
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,439
Speaker 1: So if you ever think of the insulation in your house,

977
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: if you've ever seen that and we had space blankets

978
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: in our like in our Earth Quick survival kits. You

979
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,479
Speaker 1: know they come in like a little path that's fits

980
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: in your pocket, something like that. Well it's a bulkier

981
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: version of that. But it broke loose and it drifted away.

982
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: It's dark on one side, silver on the other. Or

983
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: got knocked loose. Sorry, I'm just I'm checking my head

984
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: because I'm just thinking about how easy it is to

985
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: just knock something loose into space like a human. Well

986
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: it happened to Tim Robbins. Don't stop, just stop, okay, Uh,

987
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: Well it was the blanket was crumpled and folded and

988
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: it looked odd and it had some funny shapes as

989
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: it drifted away. But if we're gonna have to link

990
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: to this photo. But this is why I love the

991
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,919
Speaker 1: Internet is somebody actually took the time to take all

992
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: of those photos, match up the cloud patterns and scale

993
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: them appropriately, and you can actually see this thing kind

994
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: of twisting and tumbling in space. And the only show,

995
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: as we talked about earlier, one image cropped really close,

996
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: and that one image does, in fairness look hole. It

997
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: looks very much like it could have been a space Yeah, exactly,

998
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: the right angle and the shiny bits are exactly where

999
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: you'd wanted. Yeah, I mean, but but when you see

1000
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: this where they're all put together, not to make a

1001
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: bad joke, but it it takes the wind at an

1002
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: alien ships sail. I know that was terrible joke. I'm sorry. Really, yeah,

1003
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,479
Speaker 1: I really cannot make a joke in the last six months.

1004
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: It's sad. Yeah, I gotta get I gotta get joke

1005
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: act to me. Um. Okay, well, let's let's move forward.

1006
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: We're going to go to the last bit here, which

1007
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: is not really a theory, but it is a bit

1008
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: of an explanation of where maybe the name came from.

1009
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: The What Night. Didn't you ever see The Holy Grail? Yeah?

1010
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: My godnets classic? Remember that? Okay, Well, obviously it's British

1011
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: because Joe's making the Monty Python joke. Between nineteen fifty

1012
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:20,439
Speaker 1: eight to nineteen sixty five, the Brits were launching and

1013
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: testing uh rockets and it was under the name the

1014
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: Black Night. The whole thing was initially a ballistic missile

1015
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: program so they could throw nukes it like I'm not

1016
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: quite dead yet. Yeah, yeah, they were gonna they were

1017
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 1: gonna throw nukes at the Soviet Union. But of course

1018
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union the US quickly outpaces um. They have

1019
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 1: much better rocket technology. So what what they do is

1020
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: they just decided to salvage this program and it was

1021
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: using the Blue Streak missile was the actual missile that

1022
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: it was using, but they were gonna go ahead and

1023
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: use it to try hard to figure out how to

1024
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: get into space. I guess this next part is because

1025
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: they were trying to save money. They they farmed out

1026
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: different bits of it to different countries, to France and

1027
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: Germany and all these guys, and they did several launches,

1028
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: and every one of the launches, it appears, failed because

1029
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: like they had bad components on every every one of

1030
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: them from different places. It wasn't like the Germans were

1031
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: always screwing it up or the French were always screwing up.

1032
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: It was like, oh, well they got it right, but

1033
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: you got it wrong this time. And so the whole

1034
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: thing was kind of a fiasco. It was. It got

1035
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: retired in I want to say before nineteen seventy they

1036
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: quit doing it because the whole thing was just a

1037
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: waste of money and not quite bad yet. Yes, well

1038
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: it is now, yeah, yeah, they still still got something

1039
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: about still has a bit of a bit of a

1040
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: space program that though that that's kind of the end

1041
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 1: of what I've got here for the Black Night. So

1042
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go on record and saying I'm not saying

1043
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: that there isn't something that is orbiting the Earth that

1044
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: we didn't put there, that is of an intelligent origin

1045
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: that we haven't figured out. I'm not going to say

1046
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: that because I can't say that. But what I'm gonna

1047
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: say is that a lot of things that have been

1048
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: tacked onto this story shouldn't have been tacked on because

1049
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: they're they're not real. But that really part of the story.

1050
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,439
Speaker 1: That's just kind of the fun of the whole thing. Though,

1051
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: well it's the fun of the whole thing until there's

1052
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: seven hundred different things that have been the big glued

1053
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,919
Speaker 1: to it this podcast, it is, indeed, And so that's

1054
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say. I I think I do think that

1055
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: there may have been something up there that we didn't

1056
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: know what it was, whether it's still there or not,

1057
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: but it's not this giant, giant thing that the Black

1058
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 1: Knight satellite story has grown to be in my opinion. Yeah,

1059
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: it's just you know, probably like I was saying, naturally occurring,

1060
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: just a meteoroid that was captured for a while before

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Speaker 1: burning up on our atmosphere, or the real left over

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Speaker 1: from our you know, from our space program, but that's

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01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: where one of our bad spice had the rocket, any

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01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: number of things, but not you know, an alien probe

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01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: or anything. Probably I don't think so, But I know

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Speaker 1: if you had a doubt in that, because actually, you know,

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Speaker 1: probably they would have been here by now. After surveying

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Speaker 1: the planet and everything, and I'm figuring out there's lots

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Speaker 1: of edible human beings down here, they would have been

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Speaker 1: been here. Well, I think I know I've talked to

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Speaker 1: you two about this, but I don't know if any

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Speaker 1: of our listeners have. Is it always that makes me

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01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: think is there's this book out there called Infected by

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Speaker 1: a guy named Scott Sigler, and one of the things

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Speaker 1: is that there's this probe circling the Earth that's dropping

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01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: microbe spore things that are doing weird thing to people

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01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: to try and you know, get its race going again.

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Speaker 1: But that's what I would think about it, is like,

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Speaker 1: if it's been there that long and it figures out

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Speaker 1: we're here, and hey, there's yummy humans with the squashy inside.

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Speaker 1: Let's do that. But none of that has happened that

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Speaker 1: I knew you were going to do that. I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: you don't know. Other I don't they might have snagged

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Speaker 1: some people, you know. I mean, actually, you know, if

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Speaker 1: you if you think of human beings as a delicacy,

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01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: and then obviously a smart thing to do is just

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01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 1: to come down here and nab enough reading pairs to

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Speaker 1: take back to your home world that you can just

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01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: you know, just breed a whole lot of herds of

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Speaker 1: humans that you can you know that you can just

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Speaker 1: turn the stakes. I mean, I was just going with

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Speaker 1: the whole spore thing. I mean, there's nothing to say

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Speaker 1: that the course that our revolution has taken has been

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01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: the natural course that our evolution would have taken had

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01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 1: we not been exposed to those spores. You don't know

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Speaker 1: both of them. Although I do like Joe's theory a

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01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 1: little bit better, because you guys don't like the idea.

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Speaker 1: You don't like the idea of benevolent aliens like aliens.

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Speaker 1: They're no, no, no, I want the I want the

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Speaker 1: Joe cattle line. You know, there's there's what is o

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01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 1: Macron Percy I eight and they've they've got a whole

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Speaker 1: host of clones of Joe that are just walking around

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01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: talking about submarines before they get cut up into cuts

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01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:03,479
Speaker 1: how our human horn har Yeah, they ain't gonna take

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01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: me alive, but before they walk into the human chopper. Yeah, yeah,

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01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think this one's lad to rest. Okay,

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01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: I think that Yeah, it's uh, not alien. It's it's

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Speaker 1: not as as at least it's not as it is

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Speaker 1: led to be. It's sad ye. By the way, I

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Speaker 1: was speaking back back to the whole thing about about aliens.

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Speaker 1: I really really want the aliens that we eventually meet

1112
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Speaker 1: if we do, to be good and to be benevolent.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's possible, but I don't eat us. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: I think that given given the fact that evolution applies,

1115
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: dartwinness of applies on all worlds, they're going to be

1116
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: aggressive and nasty and uh and they're probably gonna want

1117
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Speaker 1: what we have. We're probably gonna end up being space hillbillies.

1118
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: That's really what it's gonna boil down. Yeah, but we're wait,

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Speaker 1: we're going after nob track. So let's let's give our

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